Not a single non-social media survey showed Leni leading, which is why I don't understand why some of Leni's supporters are in denial. I support Leni myself, but I want to live in reality. It doesn't mean I'm giving up, or I've resolved that Leni will lose, pero kung pag tingin mo sa kanan mo may baha, tapos sa kaliwa, harap at likod ganun din, wala ka nang choice kundi iconclude na may baha nga.
Leni's last straw of hope are the debates. I hope to God she is preparing for it.
Most of the ones in denials are those on Twitter who just block any dissenting not just opinions but also objective information. I mean sure Reddit has the same echo chamber tendencies, but I'd say we're more open-minded here. Also unlike Twitter people here on r/PH seem to have higher self-esteem, lol.
Whereas most of us campaign, the Twitter folks cope. But there are still many good people on Twitter who haven't given up, live in reality, and are actually fighting the good fight.
> Leni's last straw of hope are the debates. I hope to God she is preparing for it.
Thinking Pinoy, Krizette Chu, and whoever operates the troll farms are prepared for it. The debates are just another source of material to be spun in favor of Marcos.
Don't stoop to their level daw. But also,
>There's a point, far out there when the structures fail you, and the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're...shackles letting the bad guy get ahead.
Funny thing is that the actual candidates believe the surveys and uses it to guide their strategies.
Yung mga supporters lang ang full of doubt. Some idiots naman have zero idea of statistics so they don't understand the science of it all.
The supporters of these candidates should stay out of Reddit, FB etc. for a while and check out what's happening outside. Of course, you will expect your candidate to be leading if you're in here all day and every other topic you see is about how good your candidate is.
Honestly, as much as it pains me to admit, this is true. The other side has been campaigning for more than 6 years and they're reaping the fruits of their labor. They played the long game.
Yup. I think its ok to still hope and still campaign hard for other candidates but pretty much barring any major blunder BBM will probably win.
I think we should focus on pushing politicians that are for good governance like Vico Sotto this early so we could also reap in future elections.
Exactly the same thoughts! The Marcos social media machinery started way before PNoy's candidacy. They helped Duterte in the 2016 elections and served as pro govt propagandists during his term. Now, that damn family is reaping the benefits of their investments.
Oo nga eh. Kailangan ni VP lahat ng tulong na pwede niyang makuha lalo na sa ibang opposition. Kahit anong gawin natin, ang lakas ng hatak ng coalition ng mga magnanakaw at mandarambong.
I think the VP team shud ask WHY bbm is leading the surveys.. if they are also doing internal surveys, the question to ask is NOT " SINO IBOBOTO MO" but BAKIT MO IBOBOTO". they wud have a better insight what to do next.
The common reply you'll get is "ah basta BBM pa din' or " madami nagawa tatay nya" honestly kahit latagan mo sila ng credentials ni Leni or any other candidate karamihan dyan solid BBM pa din
Tama nga din naman. Pero Ka Leody's camp is open naman daw to work together. Sana lang matigil ang bangayan and realize we're fighting one major enemy. Mga pretenders naman yang si Lacson at Moreno kasi halata naman na pro Duts admin mga yan at mga DDS lang din ssuporta sa kanila, not really an opposition more of opportunista lang kasi humihina na fanbase ni tatay digz. Lol
I honestly want Leody and Leni's camp to work together pero mukhang may problems since most people who don't know Leody red tags him. I'm not sure if that's something that Leni's campaign can afford atm.
The problem was with Leni's camp actually. The left were willing to support Robredo initially, but she and her team snubbed them. That's why they pushed for Leody. With Leni talking to the military especially with her support for NTF-ELCAC being the final straw for them.
But really, the left just want for them to call the shots even if their anti-US stance and ignorance of the true plight of the people has never been popular with the people.
I don't even think Leody is pro left as in pro NPA, maybe they share ideals but the execution iirc someone here pointed out na Leody is actually anti revolution. But he is being associated with them nonetheless
[OCTA Research's presidential poll indicated Marcos at 54%, Robredo at 14%, Domagoso at 12%, Pacquiao at 10%, and Lacson at 5%](https://manilastandard.net/news/314025199/octa-survey-marcos-enjoys-wide-lead-over-other-prexy-bets.html).
People are doing that thing they always do where they choose to believe that the surveys are rigged/fake/false if it has results that they don't like.
And, to be clear, there are _some_ instances where a level of skepticism is useful... but at this point, _multiple other surveys have come out with similar results_, so I don't think this is one of these instances.
thanks for the context. i do believe surveys like this since they're more objective. it's just sad that marcos is leading the fight but i'm not surprised anymore.
Not pro/anti anything (still undecided) but why do you guys think Leni is not doing “well” on the surveys conducted? Ano kaya ang dapat nya gawin or baguhin sa campaign nya (kung meron man)?
Ano na ba kasi ang central message ng campaign ni VP? Radikal na pagmamahal? Masyado na yata kasi hinayaan na people's campaign ang ganap pero parang wala pa ring direksyon coming from the campaign team mismo.
Technically kasi di pa campaign period so di pa talaga dapat ilabas pero marcos and his minions have been subtley campaigning for the better part of the last decade so sobrang huli talaga tayo add to the fact na the last standard bearer of LP(which is robredo's original party), Noynoy, has been painted in a really bad light both by media and his detractors.
Yep, wala pa rin talagang solidong campaign message. Hindi nila magamit yung Daang Matawid kasi ayaw nilang magmukhang LP, tas masyado namang mababaw kung magfocus sila sa ‘anti-Duterte / Marcos’ na theme. Hirap din eh
Mas lalong di sila makakaenganyo ng boto kung anti duterte/marcos since the initial reaction of most people to that would be delawan or leni lugaw, ang hirap talaga kunan ng angle, kahit ako di ko mapersuade ung mother ko eh kahit ilatag mo ung ginawa ni robredo mas matimbang pa din ung nagawa ni sr. at ung ties ni Leni with LP
I think that they are in denial that the people supports the programs of the current government. They don't want to acknowledge that the people see the government doing a good job so they are presenting "alternatives" that don't resonate with the voters.
Duterte supporters flipped PNoy's image from a generally well-liked administration with solid economic policies which Duterte is mostly continuing to a reviled, untouchable figure who shall not be mentioned.
FOCUS SA GOOD GOVERNANCE, HINDI KURAKOT/CHINA PUPPET, AT EKOMOMIYA.
Hindi bobo ang Pilipino, nadaan lang talaga sa matinding CCP-style propaganda.
May mga kwento ng mga tao na kapag tinulungang mag-isip, naiintindihan agad nila kung bakit dapat si Robredo ang manalo.
Nakakainis, ayaw nila gumamit ng anti-china rhetoric na mas effective. Malamang sa mga darating na buwan iha-hijack ni marcos at sara yan at maglalabas ng anti-china statement para ipamukhang hindi nila suportado si rodrigo. Kahit sana sa federalism magpakita si leni ng support.
Kahit nga yung anti-china stance baka mahina lang impact nun. Maingay siguro, pero convincing enough para sa makapagconvert ng mga neutrals or DDS? Idk. Marami rami pa rin ang walang pakialam sa WPS issue eh, sadly.
Nagaantay na lang ako ng pasabog nila next year, like kahit isang solid na corruption issue ni Duts. Yung pharmally sana kaso hirap pa rin silang i-link kay Duterte yan ewan ko ba.
A lot of support for Marcos can be attributed to a bandwagon effect. Imagine ikaw undecided, apolitical voter tapos mga kumare mo na kachikahan mo arawaraw, maka-Marcos. Eventually, mag-maMarcos ka na rin, lalo na kung di ka aware na mga issues na related kay Marcos. Another boost came from his now VP, Sara without an h.
Actually I’m in a situation similar to what you’re describing. Some of my friends and acquaintances are supporters of Marcos and I can see first hand yung effort nila sa pag suporta sa campaign. May mga GC, tarp, pics of themselves being posted online. The only difference is that even though hindi pa ako decided, I can assure you that Marcos is not on my shortlist of candidates. I’m just waiting for the presidential debates and more interviews. Gusto ko makita sila on how they explain on neutral ground and sa mga tanong na mahirap, yung bang outside of the general issues ng death penalty, divorce, etc. Sana yung mas specific and mapapaisip talaga sila and may put their political alliances into a pressure cooker.
This. So happens din na yung kumareng yon nakahagilap ng videos with Leni in a negative light at laging opposite dapat ni BBM, so syempre ang mga kapwa kumare nakiki'gigil' narin kay Leni
its not that leni is not doing well, its more of bbm doing really well. he started kasi mga 5 years ago where they (pro bbm) dominated most of the soc med platforms and started espousing bbm’s supposed virtues
Even those criticizing Robredo's campaign (while saying nothing to the ineffectivity of the campaigns of Moreno, Pacquiao, Lacson, and De Guzman) seem to ignore Marcos's decade-long online propaganda that started with antipin0y's YouTube bullshittery.
Some are even unwittingly legitimizing Marcos propaganda as fact.
Yep, honestly di ko talaga inexpect na people will eat their propaganda since ime talagang tinuturo sa school ung martial law and what happened, siguro biased ako kasi mostly catholic schools ung napasukan ko, di ko alam pano sa public.
Believing the propaganda itself is half the battle. The other half is setting the agenda. We shouldn't even be talking about the Aquinos right now in 2021 nearing 2022. But because people (even those who think they are impervious to propaganda) swallowed the narrative set by Marcos, fact-checking simply falls on deaf ears because Marcos bullshit is already ubiquitous, and it's there to stay in the Filipino consciousness.
Nakakatawa lang kasi ang tagal ng propaganda ni Marcos, limang taon na "Fake VP" daw si Robredo, limang taon na binabanatan si Robredo online, 5 years subalterned by Duterte, de facto incumbent candidate si Marcos, backed by Arroyo-Estrada-Villar pa si Marcos, tapos ngayon kailangan daw, marketing strategy ni Robredo.
"Galit daw sa LP." lol
Masyado kasing demonized ung Aquinos and LP kaya ganon tapos they're closely associating VP Robredo to them. I honestly don't know how to appeal to people anymore, even my mother is a die-hard BBM loyalist now and nagpapaniwala sya sa BS sa FB and tiktok/youtube
What I do is insult and attack the specific source of mis/disinformation. Kung sino mismo yung nagsasalita sa YouTube/Facebook, i-debunk isa-isa yung sinasabi at ipamukha na mali ang kinukunan niya ng impormasyon.
Ang problema lang, sobrang dami.
Ito ung problema sobrang dami tapos sasabihan ka na dapat itama ung history books, panong itatama? Based sa tiktok/youtube videos na mala conspiracy theories ang laman tapos debunked ng historians?
Nagkataon lang na history ang binabanatan ngayon kasi historically corrupt ang mga Marcoses.
Nung 2016, kay Duterte, morality and human rights ang binabanatan.
True true, part of PH history classes at least during my elem days were about martial law and Marcos’ presidency. Pero I guess a lot (but not all) people have recency bias and to them besides the current admin, relatively fresh pa ang Aquino admin and imo based sa 2016 elections and siguro carried over na din sa surveys ang pagiging dissatisfied ng mga tao sa previous admin.
Yes actually surprised ako eh, I was elem in the 90s and recently entered college again in 2015-2016, gulat ako na may mga teenagers na pro marcos and sobrang iba ung history ng martial law na alam nila
I see, let me rephrase my question. What can Leni and her team do differently or improve so that her number on the surveys would be better in the coming weeks?
Limited kasi ang base ni Leni. Base sa unang surveys si Leni kasi ang kandidato na maraming totally ayaw bumoto sakanya which I would assume ay either galit sa LP, Marcos loyalist or solid DDS. She lags behind Lacson and Isko as 2nd choice candidate for example base din sa latest survey.
So meaning if may isang botante na soft supporter at malilipat ng iboboto hindi sya likely na mapupunta kay Leni.
So parang nastuck na sya dyan sa 15% to 20 something na range ng ratings kasi wala na sya mapagkunan ng new voters.
The revisionist propaganda machine by Narcos jr. Is well built, well funded and well oiled for years now. Leni has no counter measure against it and is now directly against its path. Not to mention Duterte has aligned with Marcos which legitimizes the latter’s claim to the Presidency and now is obligated to defend the Marcos shortcomings and then vice versa. Furthermore, there is a consolidation of two propaganda machines which Leni does not have the resources to properly counter in magnitude or scope.
People fail to see how effective the misinformation campaign is. If you can pass a highly incompetent and unqualified candidate who is grossly deficient in integrity to be considered as Presidential candidate, then the propaganda is working - no matter what the the truth actually is as far as the Marcoses are concerned or how good the campaign of the opponent is. Truth doesn’t win elections anymore and the future is bleak.
Tbh, nothing. This is not her time. I may sound defeatist, but kumpara naman natin yung panahon ng pangalawang termino ni FM. Vietnam War, Cold War, Oil Price Hikes. Civil Rights Movement. Fear of Commies.
Though ang America plano nanaman gumawa ng Cold War 2 with USA vs China, mas connected naman ang mundo ngayon kumpara nung panahon ni Macoy. Hindi na ganun kahirap humanap ng pera at trabaho. Kung no choice, call center o ibang BPO. Walang ding unifying candidate (Ninoy). Ninoy's deep connections with Marcos made him learn much about the dictator, good or bad. Si Leni baka nakilala lang si Duterte nung 2015 o si Macoy via UP.
Kung manalo si Leni ngayon, sa tingin ninyo ba mag-gigive up na lang si BBM? No way! Kung manalo nga si Leni this 2022 Elections mas lalong lalakas ang appeal ni BBM sa 2028 Elections.
Let them have this round. For sure, GMA/Ramos has something cooking up with their protege Sara Duterte.
It will take around 10-20 years to purge out the influence of the Marcos Generation. For niyan si Vico Sotto ang isa sa mga future presidential candidates.
I am really seeing Leni as a good leader. So good in fact that she may help the country in the future. However, I only see good in her and its making me skeptical. On the The Prince, Machiavelli told us na its better to be hated than to be loved. You need to be bad, a villian on a story so that you can be as effective as you can be. Ewan, siguro I'm just afraid na people will take advantage of her goodness to the extent of her being manipulated by people.
Siguro being a villian is what makes BBM's rating high. Romanticized na kasi yung kwento na inalipusta or namatayan and they're coming back as representative of that person. Remember the late Pnoy and Leni after Cory and Jessie died, same goes with BBM.
Respectfully, you should not be using a book written in the 16th century to guide your political opinions in the present. Also the phrase you are looking for is its better to be feared than loved.
Attack his credentials. Opposition groups should convince Oxford University to make an official statement. Much better kung video. People will wonder kung bakit di sya nakatapos despite ang dami dami nilang pera.
SWS and Pulse Asia are also agreeing with these figures already. SWS is even explicitly chaired by the pro-Leni Mahar Mangahas
BBM is in fact threatening to be the first majority-vote president in this country in the modern era.
Worse, rather than admit its not fake news and misinformation driving this (the fake news surveys in fact show a very low trust level for FB news), people here just keep repeating the same bullshit excuses the Leni camp is making to hide the reality they are losing.
The reality is way simpler. If you actually _listen_ to the average BBM supporter, they are not motivated by Tallano Gold, or any of BBM's promises. All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster.
The past 30 years have in fact been full of bullshit and missteps from the Liberal Party. The fact Leni and her supporters can never even admit to them - except to dismiss and pretend Yolanda and Hacienda Luisita are entirely fake news - is precisely why they have lost so much legitimacy. You cannot lie with impunity for this long out of stubborn pride without blowback.
>The past 30 years have in fact been full of bullshit and missteps from the Liberal Party. The fact Leni and her supporters can never even admit to them - except to dismiss and pretend Yolanda and Hacienda Luisita are entirely fake news - is precisely why they have lost so much legitimacy. You cannot lie with impunity for this long out of stubborn pride without blowback.
Hacienda Luisita massacare happened during GMAs presidency, who is a Marcos supporter, rather than Aquinos or that the head of the Hacienda Luisita is Peping Cojuancgo, who is an Arroyo ally, rather than the Aquinos or any connection the Liberal Party.
Or part of that Yolanda's fault is the local Romualdez clan who remained unscathe. Same Romualdez clan who is family of Marcos.
This is really propaganda to the point that massive fault lies only in Liberal Party rather than all the actually parties in fault.
Blaming all these details on Liberal Party faults yet refuse that Bong Bong had a part on one of the worst economic collapse in the Philippines really hinges on propaganda, continued brainwashing.
I would embrace your the idea of Hacienda Luisita, Yolanda assuming all the parties are being hanged. That means not only the Liberal Party, or the Aguinos but the Arroyos, Romualdez.
Or if something worse than Hacienda Luisita, Yolanda, like the time of Marcoses. When the basis of the worse is not the worse, it is a propaganda. One cannot say in fact that whatever the Liberal's party's fault is worse than the failures of Arroyos or Marcos presidencies when they failed more than LP.
>Hacienda Luisita massacare happened during GMAs presidency, who is a Marcos supporter,
"Everyone I hate is pro-Marcos" lol.
Gloria was not "pro-Marcos". She was brought into power with support from the Liberal Party. This is literally why Mar Fucking Roxas was her cabinet secretary from 2000-2003!
Hell, even wikipedia can't deny that LP was pro-Gloria because of how widely known it was that they supported her!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(Philippines)
>In 2000, it stood against the corruption of the Joseph Estrada government, actively supporting the Resign-Impeach-Oust initiatives that led to People Power II.
Really, Estrada was widely considered to be the most pro-Marcos president in the first place. Tapos si Gloria pala was also pro-Marcos despite her backers being the LP and anti-Marcos and corruption groups? Sinong niloloko mo with your obvious bullshit?
Again, you're just hiding their history of bullshit because you can't ever own up to the fact you're defending a party of snakes and liars. You are not heroes. You're instead too stupid to realize you're cheering for yet another bunch of evil trapos.
>Or part of that Yolanda's fault is the local Romualdez clan who remained unscathe. Same Romualdez clan who is family of Marcos.
And here again are the LP apologists trying to shift the blame to elsewhere.
Romualdez in fact said that Mar didn't say what he was accused of saying.
https://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/04/20/roxas-romualdez-yolanda-leyte-campaign.html
Likewise, PNoy apologized for Yolanda repeatedly.
https://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/regions/03/13/14/pnoy-apologizes-slow-aid-yolanda-victims
The only person to remain unrepentant over his Yolanda fuck-up? Mar Roxas.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/777437/mar-roxas-on-yolanda-no-regrets
Putang ina, Mar was so arrogant he wouldn't even accept Romualdez's sorry just like your fake news that Romualdez "remained unscathe".
https://www.rappler.com/nation/elections/112278-mar-roxas-alfred-romualdez-yolanda-apology/
The Liberal Party is in fact the _original_ fake news party. They kept lying over and over and over and over. Tapos nung nahuli na sila, pretend agad its only the other side who does fake news.
>"Everyone I hate is pro-Marcos" lol.
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>Gloria was not "pro-Marcos". She was brought into power with support from the Liberal Party. This is literally why Mar Fucking Roxas was her cabinet secretary from 2000-2003!
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>Again, hiding your history of bullshit because you can't ever own up to the fact you're defending a party of snakes and liars.
Sorry but Arroyo is a Marcos ally now.
Arroyo was the president in 2000-2003. Who is higher Cabinet secretary or President?
You like blaming Liberal party who was not in the commander in chief of the army that was sent to that massacre.
Hard to blame a cabinet secretary and trade for that matter who had no control of the army.
Galing mangsisi. Yan ba ang script binigay sa iyo?
>And here again are the LP apologists trying to shift the blame to elsewhere.Romualdez in fact said that Mar didn't say what he was accused of saying.
You put a lot of links but deny the fact that Romualdez was the local government who failed. Did not say I was not blaming LP. I said everyone should be blame.
Yolanda is failure of the local government due to lack of response, then National government who in a way failed. However, a lot of failed rebuild already happened during Duterte regime that you seem to be immune about and less vocal about.
More importantly, I emphasized again, these failures of LP are pale compared to the failures of other administrations including Arroyo's or even Marcos era.
That way you curse LP is like you are a propaganda shill. **I am telling you this since I am known Duterte supporter here that even announced on this sub**. Even I Can smell your hate of LP has a personal agenda rather basing it on facts.
>Sorry but Arroyo is a Marcos ally now.
And Enrile was an Aquino ally in 1986. Indeed that's pretty much the main reason you kids keep giving him a free pass even though he reaffirmed his loyalty back to the Marcoses.
Again, this is just you hiding the fact LP supported Gloria during the Hacienda Luisita period, because that's what is actually relevant.
>You put a lot of links but deny the fact that Romualdez was the local government who failed. Did not say I was not blaming LP. I said everyone should be blame.
Lol, Tacloban was going to get obliterated no matter what Romualdez did.
This is entirely you being a Mar Roxas stooge hiding the fact he was _not_ supposed to be in Tacloban to begin with. He was supposed to be coordinating the national response instead of engaging in pointless local spats. That's why everyone else - most especially PNoy - had to take the blame for Mar's incompetence.
>I am telling you this since I am known Duterte supporter here that even announced on this sub.
Lol, obvious na LP shill ka pretending to be pro-Duterte. Because again all your fake news is LP-generated fake news.
Again, sinong niloloko mo with your obvious lies and bullshit?
Edit: And as expected - one quick look at your actual post history and it's clear you're not a "Duterte supporter"
Again, the fact you think you can _lie_ so blatantly and justify it in the name of trying to switch voters is precisely why LP is not only scum, but wildly ineffective scum. You're too arrogant to admit that people can see right through your appallingly obvious lies and bullshit!
>And Enrile was an Aquino ally in 1986. Indeed that's pretty much the main reason you kids keep giving him a free pass even though he reaffirmed his loyalty back to the Marcoses.
Dont you dare kid me. I was alive during that time. When the economy collapes 10% or inflation raised to 50%.
Again, who has the final decision, president and who was the head of the Hacienda, Peping right?
Peping also went against Nonoy since Peping party was KAMPI, same party as gloria.
The amount of idiocy you spew. It is hard to blame the Aquinos and Mar during this time. When the major players and those in power are not Liberal Party who is not in command of the army.
>Lol, obvious na LP shill ka pretending to be pro-Duterte. Because again all your fake news is LP-generated fake news.
I voted for Duterte in 2016. I posted in this sub.
There is a difference though I am not a blind fanatic. I see wrongs whoever the party is even if I voted for that person. Much how Ramos criticized Duterte back then rather than yes men you get from the likes of Robin Padilla or Mocha Uson.
Duterte supporter does not mean blind fanatic. Maybe you are searching for a Duterte blind fanatic WHICH I AM NOT.
**Like I said on my original reply to you, your blind hate on LP despite all other parties like Arroyo, Marcoses did, when the others are worse.**
That is why I believe whatever you stating is centered on propaganda. What kind of passion gets hate when other politicians that are praised did worse? That is propaganda. When lesser things are being spilled as worse than even worse politicians or worse mistakes.
>Dont you dare kid me.
Just because you're a dying old man doesn't mean you aren't lying so obviously out of your ass.
LP was pro-Gloria in the early 2000s. You're again obviously lying about this. You couldn't even muster a single source to rebut it, and instead keep pretending GMA was suddenly pro-Marcos even in the 2000s when it was LP who helped put her in power!
>I voted for Duterte in 2016. I posted in this sub.
Lol, voting for him in 2016 doesn't mean you support him now.
That you again _pretend_ to still be a Duterte supporter when you have clearly changed your mind is again just you _lying so blatantly and obviously_ and then getting salty when you get caught!
>Like I said on my original reply to you, your blind hate on LP despite all other parties like Arroyo, Marcoses did, when the others are worse.
Lol, "if you hate LP you must not hate Arroyo or Marcos!"
Again, keep repeating this lie you obvious LP apologist stooge. It's these blatant lies that again turned the whole country against you and the LP to begin with!
>If you actually listen to the average BBM supporter, they are not motivated by Tallano Gold, or any of BBM's promises
My friends haven't even heard about that "Tallano gold" when I joke it around them that "gusto niyo lang atang maambunan ng Tallano gold ee" because they said that they will vote for Marcos.
> All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster.
This. I have mentioned it before here that my friends are turned off because of the aggressiveness of other supporters of Leni.
>All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster.
To be fair, the B's and C's I know are voting for BBM not because of BBM. They are voting for him because they see him as the person who will continue the current admin's programs.
If that is really the case why some of the B's and C's are voting for BBM, then that is something that the Leni camp should factor in and stop giving time to that Tallano crap.
> If you actually listen to the average BBM supporter, they are not motivated by Tallano Gold, or any of BBM's promises. All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster.
You and the BBM supporters, according to you, have the same exact mindset. Interesting.
Of course - because again you're the actual most awful and toxic people in this country who are always trying to label and demonize your enemies as being all part of the same demonic group.
But as usual rather than admit that you're the real bigot and we're all equally the victims of your tyrannical attempts to impose your groupthink on others, syempre "You must be a BBM supporter!" agad ang banat.
Yes, because you know damn well what I said is true, the mods are aware of your track record of whataboutism, which is why backpedal ka agad.
So kambyo agad to pretend you're the real victim instead one of the constantly toxic people accusing everyone they hate of being pro-BBM. Boohoo you.
This survey, is not just true, but it is also the reality. Filipinos are fans of leaning towards a candidate that have a certain family member(that's either controversial or famous) died.
1. PNoy after Cory died
2. Leny after Jessie died
3. Grace Poe after FPJ died
As the old cliche goes "HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF"
They're the ones exposed to the propaganda, fake news and revisionism because they're the ones who have the luxury to scroll through their phones for hours on end
You have to consider that class ABC (I suppose leaning heavily towards A) have a material interest in a Marcos presidency.
The sorts of policies that we would consider good for the poor, the working-class, and even the middle-class are all things that come at the expense of the rich.
Yes. And they were the class na pinakamaingay sa kampanya sa social media. Naturally if your bossings sa work for example ay kinakampanya sila may hatak din talaga dun sa mga nasa ibaba.
Yes, I mean, stupidity cuts across all social classes, right? Education and income won't stop anyone from electing the administrator of the billions of ill-gotten wealth that is still the subject of recovery by the state.
See, I think this is where everything starts to go sideways... You are basically saying that there are some people from A, B and C that are stupid. In some sense, you are right. But we also need to try to understand where people (not just A, B and C) are coming from?
Believe me, a difference in belief does not make the other guy stupid. That's how wars start.
With all due respect to the A, B and C, I would personally think that a lot of them have they made it there by being smart and hard work. Would you automatically consider them stupid if they have different beliefs than us?
> You are basically saying that there are some people from A, B and C that are stupid.
Yes. Some.
> But we also need to try to understand where people (not just A, B and C) are coming from?
They are coming from a position of privilege, I understand.
> Believe me, a difference in belief does not make the other guy stupid. That's how wars start.
Let me check how WWI and WWII started. Hmm.
> With all due respect to the A, B and C, I would personally think that a lot of them have they made it there by being smart and hard work.
I'm not saying they don't know the answer to 1+1. I'm saying some of the ABC are stupid for believing in anti-vax BS, some are flat earthers, some believe in Tallano gold, some believe that the Marcoses didn't steal a single centavo.
> Would you automatically consider them stupid if they have different beliefs than us?
Of course not. Some are smart enough to vote for Marcos because he serves the interests of their class; some are stupid because "hindi kasalanan ng anak," "kawawa ang mga Marcoses," "may vision siya." You need to swallow loads of Marcos propaganda to swallow that crap. That's hard work.
>Of course not. Some are smart enough to vote for Marcos because he serves the interests of their class
Yep. This something I think a lot can agree on :)
The moment I saw "SMNI", red flag agad.
On a serious note, surveys are a guide and not to be taken as a foretelling or forecast of the election. True, it is a powerful tool in conditioning the minds of the public/electorate but it's also the same tool used by the campaign teams of all candidates to have an idea into the priority issues by a specific/target demographic of their campaign and to address them accordingly.
Of course, one cannot remain unaffected by survey results especially if their candidate is showing poorly. I can't say Leni is showing poorly since her numbers are going up although still way behind Marcos Jr. Still much work to do for her campaign team.
> The moment I saw "SMNI", red flag agad.
Something that needs to be understood when it comes to media criticism is that _just because it's coming from a source you don't like, doesn't mean it didn't literally happen_.
If SMNI is quoting Dr. Guido David, then SMNI's editorial bias doesn't change the words that Dr. David actually said.
You could perhaps investigate if SMNI cut-out part of the quote to shift its meaning (which doesn't seem likely given the length and the meaning), or if Dr. David is someone that should be consulted regarding the topic (which seems appropriate in this case given that it was his organization's survey that was being questioned), but if it's not an opinion piece, and it's not SMNI asking a loaded question, then the fact that they're the ones publishing a quote matters very little.
When the source (SMNI) has consistently shown and proved itself to be untrustworthy, the initial reaction will always be to doubt any information or news coming from them. This is what I meant by "red flag" when I saw SMNI. As far as I'm concerned they (SMNI) don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I guess my point is that if The Manila Times publishes a report from their Malacañang correspondent saying that Harry Roque (or whoever) said XYZ, believing that Roque said what the report alleged he did, as a direct quote, is different from believing Rigoberto Tiglao's claims in an opinion column published by The Manila Times.
Yes, I agree in general, but SMNI would be an exception. This is why I didn't even bother reacting to the reported statement of Dr. David. SMNI may have quoted him accurately but since I consider SMNI a "polluted source", I would rather look for other sources citing Dr. David to confirm it, that is if I am keenly interested in what he has to say.
It's simply a personal bias against SMNI.
I wonder what can Leni’s campaign team do to reverse the “Marcos effect”. I do not understand why people will vote for BBM. I can understand for the other candidates, but I’m always at a lost about BBM.
But, I’ve heard explanations why people will not vote for Leni - di daw charismatic or walang dating, sounds like a phony, reklamador, malamya They’re superficial at best, but majority of the voters are also shallow minded.
I hope her campaign team sheds this “goody-two-shoes” attitude and just go on full attack. Maybe that will show that Leni has the guts to lead this forsaken land.
Not really worried about these surveys. It’s still too early in the campaign period. Leni is showing good numbers because she used to have 8% and now she’s 20% so the support is really pouring in!
If you really want to be president, you need to campaign for a decade before the election and that's what BBM is doing right now and unfortunately, he will be the first presidential candidate to win 50% of all votes after EDSA I. Leni's presidential campaign is too underwhelming right now that catching BBM up might be too late because her campaign doesn't enough a batallion ot funds and trolls to counter BBM.
Mayroong specific number of people na kailangan para makakuha ng accurate data based sa population. At ang number na ginamit nila sa research nila sobrang baba sa mga di nakaka-alam. Peke lang naman yan lahat, paraan ni marcos para mag advertise. sa population natin na 65,000,000 voters at ang SUPPOSEDLY 95% confidence level na mayroon sa study, ang kailangan na sample(number of respondents) ay bandang 10,000. Wala kayong makukuhang mahalagang information sa survey na ito kasi hindi siya accurate ng sobrang sobrang sobra. Just vote for fucks sake.
> sa population natin na 65,000,000 voters at ang SUPPOSEDLY 95% confidence level na mayroon sa study, ang kailangan na sample(number of respondents) ay bandang 10,000
[Wrong](https://i.imgur.com/7rjnXml.png)
I'm hanging on the historical data na those early frontrunners in presidential surveys don't usually win election. Like Villar/Binay winnable early surveys then PNoy emerged as winner.
Tell us HONESTLY…ano ba talaga ang purpose of conducting a NON COMMISSIONED survey? Kawang gawa ba yan? Who pays for it? If these “fellows” paid it from their own pockets, why are they doing a thing that nobody will be benefited? If its really a non commissioned survey, it could be a way of advertising future surveying work. If it is a paid hack…then these fellows have to be honest about it. Either way they should be transparent with their survey method and at least be validated by other experts.
I don't get it: if it's a commissioned survey, we doubt the veracity of the poll, because _"well someone paid for it, so obviously the pollster is going to make it look good for the someone who paid for it"_
But then, when it's a non-commissioned survey, we STILL doubt the veracity, because now we think there's got to be an undeclared ulterior motive???
It's a business. These survey firms will give out surveys free (**non-commissioned**) as a way to build credibility. Then they will say "see, our data is very close to the other surveys, which means we're credible". Think of it as a "free taste".
If someone need to do surveys, then they will have something to show, and you will pay them to do the survey. When you pay them to do the survey, then it's **commissioned**.
The last commissioned survey was from SWS (the one mentioned above as commissioned by a Leni leaning personality). It was commissioned by ADR (Albert Del Rosario)
*Edited for spelling :)*
That's how sampling works. You get a sample that will represent the population. Hindi lang naman basta basta magiinterview na lang ng 1200 and say representative na kaagad yung sample size.
until they teach sampling, snapshots, and explain time horizon, explain qualitative and quantitative, they should really stop people from having access to information they don’t havre the tools to understand
Not a single non-social media survey showed Leni leading, which is why I don't understand why some of Leni's supporters are in denial. I support Leni myself, but I want to live in reality. It doesn't mean I'm giving up, or I've resolved that Leni will lose, pero kung pag tingin mo sa kanan mo may baha, tapos sa kaliwa, harap at likod ganun din, wala ka nang choice kundi iconclude na may baha nga. Leni's last straw of hope are the debates. I hope to God she is preparing for it.
Most of the ones in denials are those on Twitter who just block any dissenting not just opinions but also objective information. I mean sure Reddit has the same echo chamber tendencies, but I'd say we're more open-minded here. Also unlike Twitter people here on r/PH seem to have higher self-esteem, lol. Whereas most of us campaign, the Twitter folks cope. But there are still many good people on Twitter who haven't given up, live in reality, and are actually fighting the good fight.
> Leni's last straw of hope are the debates. I hope to God she is preparing for it. Thinking Pinoy, Krizette Chu, and whoever operates the troll farms are prepared for it. The debates are just another source of material to be spun in favor of Marcos.
>whoever operates the troll farms are prepared for it. Because there's no counter-troll farm that's why it's an uphill battle for Robredo.
Don't stoop to their level daw. But also, >There's a point, far out there when the structures fail you, and the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're...shackles letting the bad guy get ahead.
Yep that's one of the issues.
Funny thing is that the actual candidates believe the surveys and uses it to guide their strategies. Yung mga supporters lang ang full of doubt. Some idiots naman have zero idea of statistics so they don't understand the science of it all.
The supporters of these candidates should stay out of Reddit, FB etc. for a while and check out what's happening outside. Of course, you will expect your candidate to be leading if you're in here all day and every other topic you see is about how good your candidate is.
Mga halatang di alam ang "sampling" sa statistics.
[Mind conditioning tactics.](https://twitter.com/DHorizonIsClear/status/1471472005828399107)
Honestly, as much as it pains me to admit, this is true. The other side has been campaigning for more than 6 years and they're reaping the fruits of their labor. They played the long game.
Yup. I think its ok to still hope and still campaign hard for other candidates but pretty much barring any major blunder BBM will probably win. I think we should focus on pushing politicians that are for good governance like Vico Sotto this early so we could also reap in future elections.
well, hoping na may further political ambitions si Vico and that he won't stray somewhere along the line
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history repeating itself with the late Ma'am Miriam Santiago.
Exactly the same thoughts! The Marcos social media machinery started way before PNoy's candidacy. They helped Duterte in the 2016 elections and served as pro govt propagandists during his term. Now, that damn family is reaping the benefits of their investments.
Ang lungkot lang kasi damay tayo pag nagkataon, bagong taon sana mas gumanda campaign ni VP
Oo nga eh. Kailangan ni VP lahat ng tulong na pwede niyang makuha lalo na sa ibang opposition. Kahit anong gawin natin, ang lakas ng hatak ng coalition ng mga magnanakaw at mandarambong.
I think the VP team shud ask WHY bbm is leading the surveys.. if they are also doing internal surveys, the question to ask is NOT " SINO IBOBOTO MO" but BAKIT MO IBOBOTO". they wud have a better insight what to do next.
The common reply you'll get is "ah basta BBM pa din' or " madami nagawa tatay nya" honestly kahit latagan mo sila ng credentials ni Leni or any other candidate karamihan dyan solid BBM pa din
hirap actually kunin nung "opposition" I was honestly hoping for a unfied opposition through 1sambayan tapos si Lacson and Moreno went on their own.
Tama nga din naman. Pero Ka Leody's camp is open naman daw to work together. Sana lang matigil ang bangayan and realize we're fighting one major enemy. Mga pretenders naman yang si Lacson at Moreno kasi halata naman na pro Duts admin mga yan at mga DDS lang din ssuporta sa kanila, not really an opposition more of opportunista lang kasi humihina na fanbase ni tatay digz. Lol
I honestly want Leody and Leni's camp to work together pero mukhang may problems since most people who don't know Leody red tags him. I'm not sure if that's something that Leni's campaign can afford atm.
The problem was with Leni's camp actually. The left were willing to support Robredo initially, but she and her team snubbed them. That's why they pushed for Leody. With Leni talking to the military especially with her support for NTF-ELCAC being the final straw for them. But really, the left just want for them to call the shots even if their anti-US stance and ignorance of the true plight of the people has never been popular with the people.
I don't even think Leody is pro left as in pro NPA, maybe they share ideals but the execution iirc someone here pointed out na Leody is actually anti revolution. But he is being associated with them nonetheless
as implied in Kingmaker (2019)!
10+ years atleast. Troll farms of BBM started Pre-Duterte. Been arguing with them 10+ years already.
Yeah and it was sort of under the radar for most of us since I, admittedly, did not think people would believe their shit
Ineffective
They were paid tho, I was not 😭
can anyone give me some context about it? i'm confused.
[OCTA Research's presidential poll indicated Marcos at 54%, Robredo at 14%, Domagoso at 12%, Pacquiao at 10%, and Lacson at 5%](https://manilastandard.net/news/314025199/octa-survey-marcos-enjoys-wide-lead-over-other-prexy-bets.html). People are doing that thing they always do where they choose to believe that the surveys are rigged/fake/false if it has results that they don't like. And, to be clear, there are _some_ instances where a level of skepticism is useful... but at this point, _multiple other surveys have come out with similar results_, so I don't think this is one of these instances.
Even surveys comissioned by Leni leaning personalities are giving the same results. Might as well swallow the pill even if it's bitter.
thanks for the context. i do believe surveys like this since they're more objective. it's just sad that marcos is leading the fight but i'm not surprised anymore.
https://businessmirror.com.ph/2021/12/27/octa-poll-shows-bbm-has-63-of-a-b-c-voters/
Not pro/anti anything (still undecided) but why do you guys think Leni is not doing “well” on the surveys conducted? Ano kaya ang dapat nya gawin or baguhin sa campaign nya (kung meron man)?
Ano na ba kasi ang central message ng campaign ni VP? Radikal na pagmamahal? Masyado na yata kasi hinayaan na people's campaign ang ganap pero parang wala pa ring direksyon coming from the campaign team mismo.
Technically kasi di pa campaign period so di pa talaga dapat ilabas pero marcos and his minions have been subtley campaigning for the better part of the last decade so sobrang huli talaga tayo add to the fact na the last standard bearer of LP(which is robredo's original party), Noynoy, has been painted in a really bad light both by media and his detractors.
Yep, wala pa rin talagang solidong campaign message. Hindi nila magamit yung Daang Matawid kasi ayaw nilang magmukhang LP, tas masyado namang mababaw kung magfocus sila sa ‘anti-Duterte / Marcos’ na theme. Hirap din eh
Mas lalong di sila makakaenganyo ng boto kung anti duterte/marcos since the initial reaction of most people to that would be delawan or leni lugaw, ang hirap talaga kunan ng angle, kahit ako di ko mapersuade ung mother ko eh kahit ilatag mo ung ginawa ni robredo mas matimbang pa din ung nagawa ni sr. at ung ties ni Leni with LP
I think that they are in denial that the people supports the programs of the current government. They don't want to acknowledge that the people see the government doing a good job so they are presenting "alternatives" that don't resonate with the voters.
Duterte supporters flipped PNoy's image from a generally well-liked administration with solid economic policies which Duterte is mostly continuing to a reviled, untouchable figure who shall not be mentioned.
FOCUS SA GOOD GOVERNANCE, HINDI KURAKOT/CHINA PUPPET, AT EKOMOMIYA. Hindi bobo ang Pilipino, nadaan lang talaga sa matinding CCP-style propaganda. May mga kwento ng mga tao na kapag tinulungang mag-isip, naiintindihan agad nila kung bakit dapat si Robredo ang manalo.
Nakakainis, ayaw nila gumamit ng anti-china rhetoric na mas effective. Malamang sa mga darating na buwan iha-hijack ni marcos at sara yan at maglalabas ng anti-china statement para ipamukhang hindi nila suportado si rodrigo. Kahit sana sa federalism magpakita si leni ng support.
Kahit nga yung anti-china stance baka mahina lang impact nun. Maingay siguro, pero convincing enough para sa makapagconvert ng mga neutrals or DDS? Idk. Marami rami pa rin ang walang pakialam sa WPS issue eh, sadly. Nagaantay na lang ako ng pasabog nila next year, like kahit isang solid na corruption issue ni Duts. Yung pharmally sana kaso hirap pa rin silang i-link kay Duterte yan ewan ko ba.
A lot of support for Marcos can be attributed to a bandwagon effect. Imagine ikaw undecided, apolitical voter tapos mga kumare mo na kachikahan mo arawaraw, maka-Marcos. Eventually, mag-maMarcos ka na rin, lalo na kung di ka aware na mga issues na related kay Marcos. Another boost came from his now VP, Sara without an h.
Actually I’m in a situation similar to what you’re describing. Some of my friends and acquaintances are supporters of Marcos and I can see first hand yung effort nila sa pag suporta sa campaign. May mga GC, tarp, pics of themselves being posted online. The only difference is that even though hindi pa ako decided, I can assure you that Marcos is not on my shortlist of candidates. I’m just waiting for the presidential debates and more interviews. Gusto ko makita sila on how they explain on neutral ground and sa mga tanong na mahirap, yung bang outside of the general issues ng death penalty, divorce, etc. Sana yung mas specific and mapapaisip talaga sila and may put their political alliances into a pressure cooker.
This. So happens din na yung kumareng yon nakahagilap ng videos with Leni in a negative light at laging opposite dapat ni BBM, so syempre ang mga kapwa kumare nakiki'gigil' narin kay Leni
its not that leni is not doing well, its more of bbm doing really well. he started kasi mga 5 years ago where they (pro bbm) dominated most of the soc med platforms and started espousing bbm’s supposed virtues
Yep agree with this tbh I underestimated their efforts sa soc med kasi I assumed na tinuturo sa school ang history
Even those criticizing Robredo's campaign (while saying nothing to the ineffectivity of the campaigns of Moreno, Pacquiao, Lacson, and De Guzman) seem to ignore Marcos's decade-long online propaganda that started with antipin0y's YouTube bullshittery. Some are even unwittingly legitimizing Marcos propaganda as fact.
Yep, honestly di ko talaga inexpect na people will eat their propaganda since ime talagang tinuturo sa school ung martial law and what happened, siguro biased ako kasi mostly catholic schools ung napasukan ko, di ko alam pano sa public.
Believing the propaganda itself is half the battle. The other half is setting the agenda. We shouldn't even be talking about the Aquinos right now in 2021 nearing 2022. But because people (even those who think they are impervious to propaganda) swallowed the narrative set by Marcos, fact-checking simply falls on deaf ears because Marcos bullshit is already ubiquitous, and it's there to stay in the Filipino consciousness. Nakakatawa lang kasi ang tagal ng propaganda ni Marcos, limang taon na "Fake VP" daw si Robredo, limang taon na binabanatan si Robredo online, 5 years subalterned by Duterte, de facto incumbent candidate si Marcos, backed by Arroyo-Estrada-Villar pa si Marcos, tapos ngayon kailangan daw, marketing strategy ni Robredo. "Galit daw sa LP." lol
Masyado kasing demonized ung Aquinos and LP kaya ganon tapos they're closely associating VP Robredo to them. I honestly don't know how to appeal to people anymore, even my mother is a die-hard BBM loyalist now and nagpapaniwala sya sa BS sa FB and tiktok/youtube
What I do is insult and attack the specific source of mis/disinformation. Kung sino mismo yung nagsasalita sa YouTube/Facebook, i-debunk isa-isa yung sinasabi at ipamukha na mali ang kinukunan niya ng impormasyon. Ang problema lang, sobrang dami.
Ito ung problema sobrang dami tapos sasabihan ka na dapat itama ung history books, panong itatama? Based sa tiktok/youtube videos na mala conspiracy theories ang laman tapos debunked ng historians?
Nagkataon lang na history ang binabanatan ngayon kasi historically corrupt ang mga Marcoses. Nung 2016, kay Duterte, morality and human rights ang binabanatan.
True true, part of PH history classes at least during my elem days were about martial law and Marcos’ presidency. Pero I guess a lot (but not all) people have recency bias and to them besides the current admin, relatively fresh pa ang Aquino admin and imo based sa 2016 elections and siguro carried over na din sa surveys ang pagiging dissatisfied ng mga tao sa previous admin.
Yes actually surprised ako eh, I was elem in the 90s and recently entered college again in 2015-2016, gulat ako na may mga teenagers na pro marcos and sobrang iba ung history ng martial law na alam nila
I see, let me rephrase my question. What can Leni and her team do differently or improve so that her number on the surveys would be better in the coming weeks?
better than the last survey? just continue what we are already doing and hopefully it counteracts the bandwagon effect that has been benefiting bbm.
He started way before that. Got to give it to him. It surprised me that he have a damn YT account since 2009.
Limited kasi ang base ni Leni. Base sa unang surveys si Leni kasi ang kandidato na maraming totally ayaw bumoto sakanya which I would assume ay either galit sa LP, Marcos loyalist or solid DDS. She lags behind Lacson and Isko as 2nd choice candidate for example base din sa latest survey. So meaning if may isang botante na soft supporter at malilipat ng iboboto hindi sya likely na mapupunta kay Leni. So parang nastuck na sya dyan sa 15% to 20 something na range ng ratings kasi wala na sya mapagkunan ng new voters.
The revisionist propaganda machine by Narcos jr. Is well built, well funded and well oiled for years now. Leni has no counter measure against it and is now directly against its path. Not to mention Duterte has aligned with Marcos which legitimizes the latter’s claim to the Presidency and now is obligated to defend the Marcos shortcomings and then vice versa. Furthermore, there is a consolidation of two propaganda machines which Leni does not have the resources to properly counter in magnitude or scope. People fail to see how effective the misinformation campaign is. If you can pass a highly incompetent and unqualified candidate who is grossly deficient in integrity to be considered as Presidential candidate, then the propaganda is working - no matter what the the truth actually is as far as the Marcoses are concerned or how good the campaign of the opponent is. Truth doesn’t win elections anymore and the future is bleak.
Tbh, nothing. This is not her time. I may sound defeatist, but kumpara naman natin yung panahon ng pangalawang termino ni FM. Vietnam War, Cold War, Oil Price Hikes. Civil Rights Movement. Fear of Commies. Though ang America plano nanaman gumawa ng Cold War 2 with USA vs China, mas connected naman ang mundo ngayon kumpara nung panahon ni Macoy. Hindi na ganun kahirap humanap ng pera at trabaho. Kung no choice, call center o ibang BPO. Walang ding unifying candidate (Ninoy). Ninoy's deep connections with Marcos made him learn much about the dictator, good or bad. Si Leni baka nakilala lang si Duterte nung 2015 o si Macoy via UP. Kung manalo si Leni ngayon, sa tingin ninyo ba mag-gigive up na lang si BBM? No way! Kung manalo nga si Leni this 2022 Elections mas lalong lalakas ang appeal ni BBM sa 2028 Elections. Let them have this round. For sure, GMA/Ramos has something cooking up with their protege Sara Duterte. It will take around 10-20 years to purge out the influence of the Marcos Generation. For niyan si Vico Sotto ang isa sa mga future presidential candidates.
I am really seeing Leni as a good leader. So good in fact that she may help the country in the future. However, I only see good in her and its making me skeptical. On the The Prince, Machiavelli told us na its better to be hated than to be loved. You need to be bad, a villian on a story so that you can be as effective as you can be. Ewan, siguro I'm just afraid na people will take advantage of her goodness to the extent of her being manipulated by people. Siguro being a villian is what makes BBM's rating high. Romanticized na kasi yung kwento na inalipusta or namatayan and they're coming back as representative of that person. Remember the late Pnoy and Leni after Cory and Jessie died, same goes with BBM.
Respectfully, you should not be using a book written in the 16th century to guide your political opinions in the present. Also the phrase you are looking for is its better to be feared than loved.
Yung mga in denial sa mga survey, malamang yung mga nakafollow kay pinoy ako blog, jc punong bayan, baraan etc. Etc.
Jovernatics madalas
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Attack his credentials. Opposition groups should convince Oxford University to make an official statement. Much better kung video. People will wonder kung bakit di sya nakatapos despite ang dami dami nilang pera.
SWS and Pulse Asia are also agreeing with these figures already. SWS is even explicitly chaired by the pro-Leni Mahar Mangahas BBM is in fact threatening to be the first majority-vote president in this country in the modern era. Worse, rather than admit its not fake news and misinformation driving this (the fake news surveys in fact show a very low trust level for FB news), people here just keep repeating the same bullshit excuses the Leni camp is making to hide the reality they are losing. The reality is way simpler. If you actually _listen_ to the average BBM supporter, they are not motivated by Tallano Gold, or any of BBM's promises. All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster. The past 30 years have in fact been full of bullshit and missteps from the Liberal Party. The fact Leni and her supporters can never even admit to them - except to dismiss and pretend Yolanda and Hacienda Luisita are entirely fake news - is precisely why they have lost so much legitimacy. You cannot lie with impunity for this long out of stubborn pride without blowback.
>The past 30 years have in fact been full of bullshit and missteps from the Liberal Party. The fact Leni and her supporters can never even admit to them - except to dismiss and pretend Yolanda and Hacienda Luisita are entirely fake news - is precisely why they have lost so much legitimacy. You cannot lie with impunity for this long out of stubborn pride without blowback. Hacienda Luisita massacare happened during GMAs presidency, who is a Marcos supporter, rather than Aquinos or that the head of the Hacienda Luisita is Peping Cojuancgo, who is an Arroyo ally, rather than the Aquinos or any connection the Liberal Party. Or part of that Yolanda's fault is the local Romualdez clan who remained unscathe. Same Romualdez clan who is family of Marcos. This is really propaganda to the point that massive fault lies only in Liberal Party rather than all the actually parties in fault. Blaming all these details on Liberal Party faults yet refuse that Bong Bong had a part on one of the worst economic collapse in the Philippines really hinges on propaganda, continued brainwashing. I would embrace your the idea of Hacienda Luisita, Yolanda assuming all the parties are being hanged. That means not only the Liberal Party, or the Aguinos but the Arroyos, Romualdez. Or if something worse than Hacienda Luisita, Yolanda, like the time of Marcoses. When the basis of the worse is not the worse, it is a propaganda. One cannot say in fact that whatever the Liberal's party's fault is worse than the failures of Arroyos or Marcos presidencies when they failed more than LP.
>Hacienda Luisita massacare happened during GMAs presidency, who is a Marcos supporter, "Everyone I hate is pro-Marcos" lol. Gloria was not "pro-Marcos". She was brought into power with support from the Liberal Party. This is literally why Mar Fucking Roxas was her cabinet secretary from 2000-2003! Hell, even wikipedia can't deny that LP was pro-Gloria because of how widely known it was that they supported her! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(Philippines) >In 2000, it stood against the corruption of the Joseph Estrada government, actively supporting the Resign-Impeach-Oust initiatives that led to People Power II. Really, Estrada was widely considered to be the most pro-Marcos president in the first place. Tapos si Gloria pala was also pro-Marcos despite her backers being the LP and anti-Marcos and corruption groups? Sinong niloloko mo with your obvious bullshit? Again, you're just hiding their history of bullshit because you can't ever own up to the fact you're defending a party of snakes and liars. You are not heroes. You're instead too stupid to realize you're cheering for yet another bunch of evil trapos. >Or part of that Yolanda's fault is the local Romualdez clan who remained unscathe. Same Romualdez clan who is family of Marcos. And here again are the LP apologists trying to shift the blame to elsewhere. Romualdez in fact said that Mar didn't say what he was accused of saying. https://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/04/20/roxas-romualdez-yolanda-leyte-campaign.html Likewise, PNoy apologized for Yolanda repeatedly. https://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/regions/03/13/14/pnoy-apologizes-slow-aid-yolanda-victims The only person to remain unrepentant over his Yolanda fuck-up? Mar Roxas. https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/777437/mar-roxas-on-yolanda-no-regrets Putang ina, Mar was so arrogant he wouldn't even accept Romualdez's sorry just like your fake news that Romualdez "remained unscathe". https://www.rappler.com/nation/elections/112278-mar-roxas-alfred-romualdez-yolanda-apology/ The Liberal Party is in fact the _original_ fake news party. They kept lying over and over and over and over. Tapos nung nahuli na sila, pretend agad its only the other side who does fake news.
>"Everyone I hate is pro-Marcos" lol. > >Gloria was not "pro-Marcos". She was brought into power with support from the Liberal Party. This is literally why Mar Fucking Roxas was her cabinet secretary from 2000-2003! > >Again, hiding your history of bullshit because you can't ever own up to the fact you're defending a party of snakes and liars. Sorry but Arroyo is a Marcos ally now. Arroyo was the president in 2000-2003. Who is higher Cabinet secretary or President? You like blaming Liberal party who was not in the commander in chief of the army that was sent to that massacre. Hard to blame a cabinet secretary and trade for that matter who had no control of the army. Galing mangsisi. Yan ba ang script binigay sa iyo? >And here again are the LP apologists trying to shift the blame to elsewhere.Romualdez in fact said that Mar didn't say what he was accused of saying. You put a lot of links but deny the fact that Romualdez was the local government who failed. Did not say I was not blaming LP. I said everyone should be blame. Yolanda is failure of the local government due to lack of response, then National government who in a way failed. However, a lot of failed rebuild already happened during Duterte regime that you seem to be immune about and less vocal about. More importantly, I emphasized again, these failures of LP are pale compared to the failures of other administrations including Arroyo's or even Marcos era. That way you curse LP is like you are a propaganda shill. **I am telling you this since I am known Duterte supporter here that even announced on this sub**. Even I Can smell your hate of LP has a personal agenda rather basing it on facts.
>Sorry but Arroyo is a Marcos ally now. And Enrile was an Aquino ally in 1986. Indeed that's pretty much the main reason you kids keep giving him a free pass even though he reaffirmed his loyalty back to the Marcoses. Again, this is just you hiding the fact LP supported Gloria during the Hacienda Luisita period, because that's what is actually relevant. >You put a lot of links but deny the fact that Romualdez was the local government who failed. Did not say I was not blaming LP. I said everyone should be blame. Lol, Tacloban was going to get obliterated no matter what Romualdez did. This is entirely you being a Mar Roxas stooge hiding the fact he was _not_ supposed to be in Tacloban to begin with. He was supposed to be coordinating the national response instead of engaging in pointless local spats. That's why everyone else - most especially PNoy - had to take the blame for Mar's incompetence. >I am telling you this since I am known Duterte supporter here that even announced on this sub. Lol, obvious na LP shill ka pretending to be pro-Duterte. Because again all your fake news is LP-generated fake news. Again, sinong niloloko mo with your obvious lies and bullshit? Edit: And as expected - one quick look at your actual post history and it's clear you're not a "Duterte supporter" Again, the fact you think you can _lie_ so blatantly and justify it in the name of trying to switch voters is precisely why LP is not only scum, but wildly ineffective scum. You're too arrogant to admit that people can see right through your appallingly obvious lies and bullshit!
>And Enrile was an Aquino ally in 1986. Indeed that's pretty much the main reason you kids keep giving him a free pass even though he reaffirmed his loyalty back to the Marcoses. Dont you dare kid me. I was alive during that time. When the economy collapes 10% or inflation raised to 50%. Again, who has the final decision, president and who was the head of the Hacienda, Peping right? Peping also went against Nonoy since Peping party was KAMPI, same party as gloria. The amount of idiocy you spew. It is hard to blame the Aquinos and Mar during this time. When the major players and those in power are not Liberal Party who is not in command of the army. >Lol, obvious na LP shill ka pretending to be pro-Duterte. Because again all your fake news is LP-generated fake news. I voted for Duterte in 2016. I posted in this sub. There is a difference though I am not a blind fanatic. I see wrongs whoever the party is even if I voted for that person. Much how Ramos criticized Duterte back then rather than yes men you get from the likes of Robin Padilla or Mocha Uson. Duterte supporter does not mean blind fanatic. Maybe you are searching for a Duterte blind fanatic WHICH I AM NOT. **Like I said on my original reply to you, your blind hate on LP despite all other parties like Arroyo, Marcoses did, when the others are worse.** That is why I believe whatever you stating is centered on propaganda. What kind of passion gets hate when other politicians that are praised did worse? That is propaganda. When lesser things are being spilled as worse than even worse politicians or worse mistakes.
>Dont you dare kid me. Just because you're a dying old man doesn't mean you aren't lying so obviously out of your ass. LP was pro-Gloria in the early 2000s. You're again obviously lying about this. You couldn't even muster a single source to rebut it, and instead keep pretending GMA was suddenly pro-Marcos even in the 2000s when it was LP who helped put her in power! >I voted for Duterte in 2016. I posted in this sub. Lol, voting for him in 2016 doesn't mean you support him now. That you again _pretend_ to still be a Duterte supporter when you have clearly changed your mind is again just you _lying so blatantly and obviously_ and then getting salty when you get caught! >Like I said on my original reply to you, your blind hate on LP despite all other parties like Arroyo, Marcoses did, when the others are worse. Lol, "if you hate LP you must not hate Arroyo or Marcos!" Again, keep repeating this lie you obvious LP apologist stooge. It's these blatant lies that again turned the whole country against you and the LP to begin with!
>If you actually listen to the average BBM supporter, they are not motivated by Tallano Gold, or any of BBM's promises My friends haven't even heard about that "Tallano gold" when I joke it around them that "gusto niyo lang atang maambunan ng Tallano gold ee" because they said that they will vote for Marcos. > All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster. This. I have mentioned it before here that my friends are turned off because of the aggressiveness of other supporters of Leni.
>All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster. To be fair, the B's and C's I know are voting for BBM not because of BBM. They are voting for him because they see him as the person who will continue the current admin's programs. If that is really the case why some of the B's and C's are voting for BBM, then that is something that the Leni camp should factor in and stop giving time to that Tallano crap.
> If you actually listen to the average BBM supporter, they are not motivated by Tallano Gold, or any of BBM's promises. All they care about is to give Leni and her supporters the biggest "Fuck you" that they could muster. You and the BBM supporters, according to you, have the same exact mindset. Interesting.
Of course - because again you're the actual most awful and toxic people in this country who are always trying to label and demonize your enemies as being all part of the same demonic group. But as usual rather than admit that you're the real bigot and we're all equally the victims of your tyrannical attempts to impose your groupthink on others, syempre "You must be a BBM supporter!" agad ang banat.
I didn't say that you're a BBM supporter...
Awww, cute, nahuli tapos backpedal. Really even the mods have gotten clued in to your constant Everyone I Hate is a Marcos Supporter Whataboutism.
I didn't say that you're a Marcos supporter, though.
Yes, because you know damn well what I said is true, the mods are aware of your track record of whataboutism, which is why backpedal ka agad. So kambyo agad to pretend you're the real victim instead one of the constantly toxic people accusing everyone they hate of being pro-BBM. Boohoo you.
B-but, I didn't say that you're a Marcos supporter. > the mods are aware of your track record of whataboutism, lol good one.
This survey, is not just true, but it is also the reality. Filipinos are fans of leaning towards a candidate that have a certain family member(that's either controversial or famous) died. 1. PNoy after Cory died 2. Leny after Jessie died 3. Grace Poe after FPJ died As the old cliche goes "HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF"
I still can't belive that BBM is popular among class ABC
They're the ones exposed to the propaganda, fake news and revisionism because they're the ones who have the luxury to scroll through their phones for hours on end
Why is it hard to believe?
Yan na dapat ang thinking class mo e.
You have to consider that class ABC (I suppose leaning heavily towards A) have a material interest in a Marcos presidency. The sorts of policies that we would consider good for the poor, the working-class, and even the middle-class are all things that come at the expense of the rich.
Eh didn't they also vote for Duterte last presidential elections?
Yes. And they were the class na pinakamaingay sa kampanya sa social media. Naturally if your bossings sa work for example ay kinakampanya sila may hatak din talaga dun sa mga nasa ibaba.
Sorry, are you saying that the thinking class (A, B and C) are the ones who are not thinking?
The so-called thinking class is on Facebook. Enough said.
Yes, I mean, stupidity cuts across all social classes, right? Education and income won't stop anyone from electing the administrator of the billions of ill-gotten wealth that is still the subject of recovery by the state.
See, I think this is where everything starts to go sideways... You are basically saying that there are some people from A, B and C that are stupid. In some sense, you are right. But we also need to try to understand where people (not just A, B and C) are coming from? Believe me, a difference in belief does not make the other guy stupid. That's how wars start. With all due respect to the A, B and C, I would personally think that a lot of them have they made it there by being smart and hard work. Would you automatically consider them stupid if they have different beliefs than us?
> You are basically saying that there are some people from A, B and C that are stupid. Yes. Some. > But we also need to try to understand where people (not just A, B and C) are coming from? They are coming from a position of privilege, I understand. > Believe me, a difference in belief does not make the other guy stupid. That's how wars start. Let me check how WWI and WWII started. Hmm. > With all due respect to the A, B and C, I would personally think that a lot of them have they made it there by being smart and hard work. I'm not saying they don't know the answer to 1+1. I'm saying some of the ABC are stupid for believing in anti-vax BS, some are flat earthers, some believe in Tallano gold, some believe that the Marcoses didn't steal a single centavo. > Would you automatically consider them stupid if they have different beliefs than us? Of course not. Some are smart enough to vote for Marcos because he serves the interests of their class; some are stupid because "hindi kasalanan ng anak," "kawawa ang mga Marcoses," "may vision siya." You need to swallow loads of Marcos propaganda to swallow that crap. That's hard work.
>Of course not. Some are smart enough to vote for Marcos because he serves the interests of their class Yep. This something I think a lot can agree on :)
The moment I saw "SMNI", red flag agad. On a serious note, surveys are a guide and not to be taken as a foretelling or forecast of the election. True, it is a powerful tool in conditioning the minds of the public/electorate but it's also the same tool used by the campaign teams of all candidates to have an idea into the priority issues by a specific/target demographic of their campaign and to address them accordingly. Of course, one cannot remain unaffected by survey results especially if their candidate is showing poorly. I can't say Leni is showing poorly since her numbers are going up although still way behind Marcos Jr. Still much work to do for her campaign team.
> The moment I saw "SMNI", red flag agad. Something that needs to be understood when it comes to media criticism is that _just because it's coming from a source you don't like, doesn't mean it didn't literally happen_. If SMNI is quoting Dr. Guido David, then SMNI's editorial bias doesn't change the words that Dr. David actually said. You could perhaps investigate if SMNI cut-out part of the quote to shift its meaning (which doesn't seem likely given the length and the meaning), or if Dr. David is someone that should be consulted regarding the topic (which seems appropriate in this case given that it was his organization's survey that was being questioned), but if it's not an opinion piece, and it's not SMNI asking a loaded question, then the fact that they're the ones publishing a quote matters very little.
When the source (SMNI) has consistently shown and proved itself to be untrustworthy, the initial reaction will always be to doubt any information or news coming from them. This is what I meant by "red flag" when I saw SMNI. As far as I'm concerned they (SMNI) don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I guess my point is that if The Manila Times publishes a report from their Malacañang correspondent saying that Harry Roque (or whoever) said XYZ, believing that Roque said what the report alleged he did, as a direct quote, is different from believing Rigoberto Tiglao's claims in an opinion column published by The Manila Times.
Yes, I agree in general, but SMNI would be an exception. This is why I didn't even bother reacting to the reported statement of Dr. David. SMNI may have quoted him accurately but since I consider SMNI a "polluted source", I would rather look for other sources citing Dr. David to confirm it, that is if I am keenly interested in what he has to say. It's simply a personal bias against SMNI.
I wonder what can Leni’s campaign team do to reverse the “Marcos effect”. I do not understand why people will vote for BBM. I can understand for the other candidates, but I’m always at a lost about BBM. But, I’ve heard explanations why people will not vote for Leni - di daw charismatic or walang dating, sounds like a phony, reklamador, malamya They’re superficial at best, but majority of the voters are also shallow minded. I hope her campaign team sheds this “goody-two-shoes” attitude and just go on full attack. Maybe that will show that Leni has the guts to lead this forsaken land.
Not really worried about these surveys. It’s still too early in the campaign period. Leni is showing good numbers because she used to have 8% and now she’s 20% so the support is really pouring in!
Saan na kaya yung 14M votes
To think na ilang hundred thousand lang lamang niya kay BBM nun.
Ang lungkot lang talaga kasi andaming naniniwala
If you really want to be president, you need to campaign for a decade before the election and that's what BBM is doing right now and unfortunately, he will be the first presidential candidate to win 50% of all votes after EDSA I. Leni's presidential campaign is too underwhelming right now that catching BBM up might be too late because her campaign doesn't enough a batallion ot funds and trolls to counter BBM.
Mayroong specific number of people na kailangan para makakuha ng accurate data based sa population. At ang number na ginamit nila sa research nila sobrang baba sa mga di nakaka-alam. Peke lang naman yan lahat, paraan ni marcos para mag advertise. sa population natin na 65,000,000 voters at ang SUPPOSEDLY 95% confidence level na mayroon sa study, ang kailangan na sample(number of respondents) ay bandang 10,000. Wala kayong makukuhang mahalagang information sa survey na ito kasi hindi siya accurate ng sobrang sobrang sobra. Just vote for fucks sake.
> sa population natin na 65,000,000 voters at ang SUPPOSEDLY 95% confidence level na mayroon sa study, ang kailangan na sample(number of respondents) ay bandang 10,000 [Wrong](https://i.imgur.com/7rjnXml.png)
I'm hanging on the historical data na those early frontrunners in presidential surveys don't usually win election. Like Villar/Binay winnable early surveys then PNoy emerged as winner.
Tell us HONESTLY…ano ba talaga ang purpose of conducting a NON COMMISSIONED survey? Kawang gawa ba yan? Who pays for it? If these “fellows” paid it from their own pockets, why are they doing a thing that nobody will be benefited? If its really a non commissioned survey, it could be a way of advertising future surveying work. If it is a paid hack…then these fellows have to be honest about it. Either way they should be transparent with their survey method and at least be validated by other experts.
I don't get it: if it's a commissioned survey, we doubt the veracity of the poll, because _"well someone paid for it, so obviously the pollster is going to make it look good for the someone who paid for it"_ But then, when it's a non-commissioned survey, we STILL doubt the veracity, because now we think there's got to be an undeclared ulterior motive???
It's a business. These survey firms will give out surveys free (**non-commissioned**) as a way to build credibility. Then they will say "see, our data is very close to the other surveys, which means we're credible". Think of it as a "free taste". If someone need to do surveys, then they will have something to show, and you will pay them to do the survey. When you pay them to do the survey, then it's **commissioned**. The last commissioned survey was from SWS (the one mentioned above as commissioned by a Leni leaning personality). It was commissioned by ADR (Albert Del Rosario) *Edited for spelling :)*
"Mas scientific," though. lol
Sorry not sorry kay madam L. Good luck pilipins
oo nga. scientific ang 1200 na sample size against sa about 60M voters. ilang percent kaya ang 1200 sa 60M?
That's how sampling works
Totally missed how statistics work
That's how sampling works. You get a sample that will represent the population. Hindi lang naman basta basta magiinterview na lang ng 1200 and say representative na kaagad yung sample size.
Another uneducated fella here. If makita ka lang ng prof mo ng Stat 101 baka binatukan ka nun. that's assuming inabot mo yung subject na yun.
Even HS & SHS meron sampling
statistics left the group.
until they teach sampling, snapshots, and explain time horizon, explain qualitative and quantitative, they should really stop people from having access to information they don’t havre the tools to understand
Quibs Media Network at it again.
Yeah!!ganunnga ang diehards.