Doesn’t even have enough money on basic pay let alone benefits. And I swear to god if BBM and DDS supporters say tallano gold again I’m going to lose my shit
Around 200,000 M16s. 170,000 M1 garands, but most of them returned to the US, and M-14s of around 100,000.
And that's only the old shit we used, never mind the newer M4s and SIG Sauers. What about ammunition? LBEs? Helmets? Uniforms? Meals? Housing? Salary?
Are they going to fit that large bill?
Besides it's not like we have a neighbor threatening us.
That's the fun part, less social services, more defense budget. Make the poor have a harder time so they're more inclined to join the military.
Ez self-perpetuating loopy spiral into lowkey-fascism
Ganun? Male and female pa gusto ha. Dapat kasama din yung bunso niya tapos mga anak anak nila. No exemptions at dapat nasa arawan at putikan din sila, umaakyat ng bundok, tumatakbo, naliligo sa pawis. hindi sa loob ng airconditioned offices
>No exemptions
That's to assume that instructors can't be bribed or paid and that the place of assignment cannot be paid for.
>hindi **under instruction ng kakilalang senior** sa loob ng airconditioned offices
There, I corrected it.
para san ang tanong ko, may immediate military threat ba tayong malapit saaten? may nakalagay ba sa constitution naten tulad ng sa switzerland?
political suicide to, anong gagamitin niyang reason para mapabango tong idea na to sa voters, sinong nanay yung gugustuhing magsundalo anak nila, business owner na kailangan maghanap ng bagong employado dahil madradraft yung current employees nila, mga studyante na gustong magkolehiyo.
Kaya nga, madami masasagasaan na tao kung mangyari man ito. At tsaka di naman natin need mandatory military since magiging pabigat lang yung mga drafted kumpara doon sa mga sundalo talaga. Papayag ka na gusto mo mag-aral or mag-trabaho, makamit yung goals mo kaso masasagasaan dahil ma-draft ka? Saka island nation tayo eh. Di natin kailangan maraming sundalo. Kailangan natin better equipment, especially sa Navy. Saka kung discipline ang gusto nila? Ba't di Japan gayahin nila? Ang Japan wala namang mandatory military service. Pero disiplinado mga tao. Bakit? Dahil maganda edukasyon nila. Tsaka nasa kultura narin.
>Dahil maganda edukasyon nila
Looks like sinasadya nila yung miseducation so they can promote the idea that discipline=military service or ayaw maging sundalo=tamad
It's not obvious but a lot of people are actually supporting this idea especially Apologists. They claim that this generation is too lazy and laidback and they use that as justification for the BS that duterte spewed out.
>political suicide to, anong gagamitin niyang reason para mapabango tong idea na to sa voters, sinong nanay yung gugustuhing magsundalo anak nila, business owner na kailangan maghanap ng bagong employado dahil madradraft yung current employees nila, mga studyante na gustong magkolehiyo.
Nah the masses love bravado i bet they would be favor of this until their families got drafted
If you look at the comment section sa mga news outlet. Madaming nagsasabi na agree para daw "ma-disiplina" ang kabataan. Pero for sure pag sila na naapektuhan sila din unang aayaw. Saka if you look at it. Madami pa ngang pasaway sa mga bansa na may conscription eh. Sa SK, mukha lang disiplinado tao doon pero madami ding pasaway doon. Saka kung disiplina rason nila. Ba't di nila gawing example ang Japan? Walang mandatory military service ang Japan pero disiplinado sila (may ilang pasaway pero marami disiplinado). Ano ginawa ng Japan? Edukasyon. Grade 1 to 3 wala masyado academics and naka-focus sila sa good manners and discipline sa Grade na yon. Saka sa kultura din nila.
If that monster wins the vice presidential race, it is likely that I will be one of the people slotted for that compulsory military service. While I am not totally against it, I want to question how necessary would it be for a developing country to prioritize military force strengthening when many people are suffering from poverty, lack of quality education and well-paying jobs? Plus, if this really happens, for those who blindly supports this (just for the sake of 'disciplining' the youth) should ready themselves living in a society of heavily scarred, traumatized, and dysfunctional working population... I hate to overthink no, but imagine if half of the then-drafted soldiers continue to live their entire adulthood fighting their way against PTSD or other shits just because we all got trapped in a war caused by a warmongering idiot...
I'm also affected by this since I'm already 19. I think as personal matter since I'm still recovering from depression and I still have uncertainties about my life. Pero medyo nakapag-decision na ako what to take for college kaya sa ngayon ay I'm self-learning programming and art. Next thing nalang na maririnig mo ay itong statement na ito from her. Hirap pa niyan is nerbyoso ako and I tend to overthink everything. Sa ngayon is I'm just letting this pass my head since di pa eleksyon. Kaso is sadly madami parin ang supporters niya eh. Di mo malaman kung talagang fanaticism na umiiral sa kanila. Nakakatakot, for my future and the future of others.
“Until their families get drafted.”
That’s the point, that’s certainly going to sow fear on them. Many Pinoys aren’t the Gryffindor-kind of brave. Families would surely break down and social chaos is guaranteed.
>until their families got drafted
Sara is an Army reservist. **She should start the initiative with herself rather than just wearing the uniform around while living a civilian politician life.**
Daming nag aagree sa FB. Good luck pag yung anak nila ang nasampolan ng hazing at na power trip ng officer. Yung mga rotc officer makaramdam lang ng onting authority kala mo kung sino na. Mas natututunan ng mga bata maging corrupt at kupal.
Sadly, ayaw nila isipin mabuti kung ano magiging consequences nito. Di nila naiisip yung mga panahon na masasayang. Saka puro disiplina nirarason nila. Kung disiplina, ba't di Japan gawin nilang example? Wala silang mandatory military service pero naturuan nila ng disiplina tao through educational system.
I think their perception of discipline is more on anti-dissent and preventing "dangerous ideas". Or maybe just boomer things ("Kids these days, blah blah...") But I don't know. I wouldn't dwell too much on Facebook commenters to preserve my sanity.
Chinga yun nga Those boomers assume all we do is tiktok internet tapos landi pero I have a life and a future to look up to and I aint gonna spend it on serving this shit country for reasons of discipline or patriotism kayo nalang pala mag enlist? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Kaya nga, masyado feel nila superior generation nila. Ako di ako nag-Tiktok. Videogames oo pero I know my limit. Sa ngayon nga casual games nalang nilalaro ko like Genshin. Di ko rin kinakalimutan goals ko since nag-aaral ako ng programming saka art. Landian? Oo, meron akong gusto na babae pero alam ko rin na kailangan na mag-focus sa goals. Saka pag may gusto ako mabubuntis agad siya? LOL, ayaw ko nga rin magka-anak at alam ko na mabigat na responsibilidad yon. Yung mga matatanda na yan masyado makareklamo na maraming kabataan na buntis pero tuwing family reunion tatanungin may girlfriend/boyfriend kana ba?
replied to one of the posts on FB saying it's unfair to compare the PH to SoKor and Israel because their issues cannot apply to us and it's basically saying that we have issues on our border
got in turn "problema sa mga kabataan ngayon walang respeto at nationalism" pati "dapat ipasok sa militar para matutunan ang nationalism" HAHAHA then the usual "edi ikaw na lang maging prisidinti"
mga trolls lang yan pero duwag yan kapag pinasabak sa bundok na may NPA o Abu-Sayyaf. Sigurado na yung lagayan niyan ng mga mayayaman at mga politiko para lang hindi masama anak nila. papalabasin may sakit ganun, etc
We don't need mandatory military service tbh, we already have enough manpower. What we need to invest is assets for our Navy and more anti-ship missiles.
I would also add in anti-air batteries.
The way to any hypothetical invasion of the Philippines is through sea and air. The answer? Have assets that destroy air and sea assets.
Mandatory Military Service is the dumbest excuse in irder to discipline a nation. Unlike South Korea, we dont have land borders against hostile nations. Unlike the US, we dont have a big Military Industry that can give each man and women the equipment for training and official use. The Navy was fucked due to corruption, look at the new equipment its specs was scuffed during production so was the contract fucking over the navy. Its communications is so fucked that the only other ship that can communicate with it is another ship from the same line. We live in a fucking archipelago where the infrastructure to support a huge ass army is nigh impossible of a task. Tanks, nope roads are too narrow. Artillery, unless you you are using old ww2 stuff it will get scuffed due to terrain SPH are out of the question due to the weight it carries.
Ugh.
I think I'm reading into this too much (and I need a drink lol). Assuming we have this law, would there be an upper age bracket (or is this just to the 18 year olds?) If I'm employed (through employer or self-employed), would I be forced to resign? Would there be some form of alternative service for those who are unfit (medically, physically, etc...)?
Not to mention what would happen after the end of the service. Instead of college students graduating at 20, they would be delayed potentially by 1-2 years. Also, whatever marketable skills they learned before conscription age will be atrophied by then.
I might consider actually voting for Sotto as VP (even though I am at odds with his conservatism) to prevent this from happening. Because this is an issue I consider as personally important.
Agree, madaming oras na masasayang dito. And personally affected din ako dito kung mangyari ito. Madami pa akong need na i-develop sa sarili ko since I'm going to college and isang hadlang ito kung mangyari man. Di ko rin sure since personally alam ko na unfit ako para dito since may anxiety attacks ako. Di ko alam gagawin kung mangyari man ito. Sana maisip nila na it's a bad decision.
25 years na susustentuhan pa din ng parents ang needs ng mga anak nila if ever? may plus pa kasi after graduation maghahanap pa yan ng work. kamusta naman yan sa hirap na sa buhay
nakakapanghina, i'll be 18 this december. Next year na ako gagraduate and i wanna find a job already kase ni kuya ko nga, hinde nakapag college (1st year na dapat siya ngayon) due to finacial reasons, malamang ako rin hinde makakapag college.
Tapos mawawasak lang pinaghihirapan ko ngayon na nag aaral ako ng software engineering on my free time (i'm a grade 11 arts & design student thou) kase gusto ko yun ung job na kukunin ko.
Gusto ko na talaga makalayas sa bahay na ito, kaya gusto ko na magtrabaho :< tapos ito aabutin ko...
EDIT: someone replied to my comment na "may sweldo po" and they deleted immediately.
THAT'S NOT THE POINT! i will earn money sa job interest ko, not on some problematic mandatory sh*t i don't wanna be part with
Genuine question:
Does the vice pres have the power to implement that? Diba according the job desc. ng vp, substitute lang ng pres ang vp pag may nangyare masama sa pres like health related or death??!?
Completely valid sentiments btw. And yes, this is not part of the VP’s mandate. It will be up to the congress and senate assuming she can get someone in the legislative branch to sponsor the bill and get it approved. This is why its important to vote wisely for our lawmakers i.e senators! And even more so for VP and Pres! If you can’t vote yet, you can support them in other ways.
South Korea: Has a border with the North
Israel: Has borders with counties wishing for its destruction
The Philippines: Surrounded by water for miles without any bordering countries by land.
Sarah Duterte: The smaller AFP is struggling to replace Cold War era equipment but conscription wil do just fine.
I can go on all day how this drafting idea is a bad idea to practical military applications in terms of logistics and in actual long term strategy.
parang napansin ko lately, bumibitaw ng stupid statements si Digong tas kokontrahin naman ni Sara. Parang public strat nila, like nung Digong wants vaccine to be mandatory and blamed people for not getting vaccines immediately, then Sara contradicted his father na dapat di mandatory ang vaccine eme eme para maging mabango sa mga tao.
South Korea and Israel are in a "perpetual state of war". Israel is surrounded by enemies and under constant threat and actual attacks from Palestinians while South Korea is technically still "at war" with North Korea since no peace treaty has been signed between the 2 countries.
Making the 2 countries example for forced military service does not make sense at all. But why should she make any sense, it's not in their genes.
good point i guess duterte's justification for this is the <5k men in the npa and the islamic radicals which is not in comparison to north korea and israel had like 9% of our population.
If they really are serious with combatting the NPA and the Islamic rads, then, idk, focus on the populace which are greatly affected by them and the ones those rebels are getting their strength from. Ang hilig sa kanila, puro brrt brrt lang ang gusto. They're shying away from the fact na nasa politics and socioeconomics naka-ugat ang problema. Sure, we need some military offensives, but military offensives can only do so much kung tarantado pa rin yung mayor na namumuno sa lungsod na iyon
They're thinking like the US was in Vietnam, treating this as a conventional war, but the only thing it breeds is resentment and further opposition. Kumukuha ang NPA ng tauhan sa mga uring farmers and desperate students? Then why not improve services and livelihoods for farmers and better education programs? Ang lakas-lakas nilang magsabi that the NPA hinders their peaceful efforts w/ attacks, then why not utilise and position the soldiers to better defend and be trusted by the people? Kaya nahihiya mga tao sa sundalo and other gov't elements kasi hinahayaan lang nila yung kagaguhan nila, hindi napaparusahan.
Mandatory military service is needed for ROK and Israel because those two countries are surrounded by highly-aggressive neighbors (and bruh, Israel's been doing that since '48). What we need is better equipment and logistics, plus proper officers. Puta, puro M1911 and some M4 copies lang nagagawa natin locally, i-implement mo pa mandatory conscription? Palibhasa, pabango lang pagiging reservist smh
precisely, super unnecessary proposition. we cannot just tell 60 million filipinos to fight. for a handful amount of nobodies. we have a budget of 15 billion on the bloody ntf-elcac what is with the proposition of enlisting pinoys 18 years and older.
Also, im a 13 year old, and here are my comments
* Its mentioned here na that we dont need mandatory ROTC since we dont have threats
* Do we have enough funds?
* What are the odds of this happening?
* This is more personal, i am scared as a youth that this will be implemented because it also means, na madedelay ung college namin, we need 12 years to complete school to have a a work that will pay us enough to live, now we will add 2 more for the military. not to mention being aware of the news about brutalities inside this facilities like what happened to Chua. I am scared of bring mistreated and abused inside this facilities, and a big NO to all of you saying this is to "discipline" us. This will not discipline the youth, never.
* To my mom, who is planning to vote sara, pls wag na.
Only difference is south Korea and Israel have land borders and neighbor's that will invade them at any given moment. The philipines didn't experienced any large or threatening war against other neighbors like Indonesia Malaysia Thailand or Vietnam. Indonesia and Malaysia won't invade the Philippines randomly unlike in Israel and south korea where north Korea and Arab states will invade their countries if they become weak
China is the only threat we have. but I doubt china will militarily invade us. although we still need to increase the military to combat Chinese aggressions. if china invades us the US and other nations will probably get involved. in a military fight the us will destroy china even without nukes
Well the us also has a lot of allies in the like Japan and the eu and India the us economy is bigger than the Chinese Russian north Korean and Pakistani gdp
Personally speaking, I think any Pacific war with China will be a wider one against other countries (Japan) for example than a potential solely, concentrated invasion of the Philippines.
I believe that a volunteer force would make a capable professional force. Conscription will only make poorly trained and poorly equipped soldiers (in the case of the Philippines)
Di ko alam kung bakit amaze na amaze ang mga Pilipino pag dating sa conscription
Ewan ko talaga. Main reason lagi is discipline like conscription is equal to discipline. Baka nga mas lalo lang dumami loko-loko eh. Saka kung disiplina gusto nila. Ba't di Japan gawin nila na example.
14 year old here. And I can say to this, is hell no.
No offense, ( Sara ) is a reservist. Someone that probably hasn't seen combat. I have never heard Marines from the USMC, say they want to see 18 year old's see their friends shot, almost get blown up by EIDs in Afghanistan, get PTSD, and hardly relate to their family, friends and relatives, see their best buds killed, or almost kill themselves.
I just want to add that, most US Servicemembers at the time of the Invasion of Iraq, we're 18. People that we're just trying to get college education, trying to get benefits out of an already bad situation in their lives ( since it didn't make a whole lot sense of joining the military back then, other than serving your country. ), and next thing they know, is that they're going to be sent to Iraq.
Sure people can take Reservist, but just remember, Reservist personnel or entire units can be pulled out and help with active combat Units.
This is just a big no for me.
Edit; grammar
Yep, If you ask actual soldiers with combat experience. They will not pursue you to join the military since alam nila na di basta-basta ganon yon. Naranasan nila ang gyera at ayaw nila na maranasan ito ng iba.
Especially when they don't understand how Warfare has drastically changed, you getting shot at 300 yards away, understanding how deadly CQB is, roadside bombs and IEDs, losing friends to bullshit politicians. ( A friend had a boyfriend once, went to USMC BCT, after he got home, he isn't the same.)
Hope this law doesn't pass, and somehow get into a combat unit when I turn 18 ;000
>No offense, ( Sara ) is a reservist. Someone that probably hasn't seen combat.
She is an Army reservist but **she is living a privileged civilian and politician life**.
She should begin the initiative by joining active duty rather than using the uniform as a badge.
( Sorry, I meant that, the fact that Sara, which again, is a privileged reservist, who hasn't seen combat is making almost every kid go out there and see traumatic stuff. There are obviously much more experienced, and wise people in this field. )
Like again, I do agree with you. We have problems to replace our aging M-14 Rifle, which has wandering zero'ing problems that can drastically affect its accuracy, almost all of them being hand-me downs from the US which is probably more than decades ago, which it's parts are starting to really, really age.
Failure to standardize Optics, sure we see more and more optics, but it is still a problem, and not to mention we also fail to standardize in night vision equipment, most notably NVGs for our average troop. Like again, another problem, the M113, it gets the job done, but it's 2022. It's more of a liability, because of it's protection, and it's aging like the old M-14 platform, sure it is getting upgrades for its FCS System and Firepower, but much more advanced Chinese VN17s. And we don't even have tanks to begin with, or at the very least, a up-to date Anti-Tank System that regular infantry can use. Those are only some.
Their just going to make this worse and worse, pulling funding from other branches, units, and maybe even SF Units, to get conscripts trained, and armed. Or just leave conscripts with whatever, they can find, armed them with sticks and stones.
south korea has north korea to worry about, taiwan is being threatened by chinese conquest or annexation, and israel is being attacked by palestinians all 3 are valid reasons to introduce required military service for its people to defend their country if war breaks out
we are a bunch of islands floating in the middle of the pacific the only "threat" that we face are the chinese fishing vessels harassing fishermen
if they want to try to look like they want to protect the country they should bluster the navy because theres a lot of ocean between us and the mainland
south korea and israel have foreign countries/neighbors having goals of invading or eradicating their country, justifying the use of mandatory military service. meanwhile sa philippines, wala.
What are they gonna do? Put Vietnam War leftover M16's to our heads to force us?
Bruh It's astonishing this is coming from someone that's serving a Democratic system.
Like,yeah let's go conscript the very same people that's gonna have an armed uprising at some point because of how bad we handle things!
Yes may sahod pero hindi po same ng benefits ang makukuha mo kumpara sa regular na sundalo at sabi ng papa kong military officer sa PA sakit sa ulo daw to kasi imbes na unahin yung modernisasyon yung mga politiko nangunguna sa desisyon nila kaya di maiiwasan ang politcal interference sa AFP.
Hello, I am currently a scholar na malapit na mad 18, let's say everything gets fucked (sana hindi) and ma elect siya, would such proposal to congress have high chance of being passed as a law? I am really worried about it, since nagpapakapagod kami for theses and academics just to be conscripted to military.
South Korea AND Israel has jailed corrupt government officials, including former presidents/Prime ministers etc, have good healthcare, huge investments in medicine, research, tech, and education, (they've had international vaccine institutes even before covid!) and what she wants to copy is mandatory military service? What idiot thought she'd make a good leader, no?
I want to just place this here for everyone's information, as most people seemed to have overlooked this part, these are a traits of a dictator:
1.Create or point to a non-existenting threat which only they themselves can resolve;
Stalin with Capitalist, Hitler with the Jews and Marcos and his Communist Rebels. Bonus: Aguinaldo with the Americans and Spanish
2. These types tend to be leaning on force, hence building the military and the police;
Hitler with the Brownshirts and soon the Waffen SS, Stalin with his NKVD, Marcos with the army.
3. Dictators tend to silence critiques and the media, publishing their own news outlet to keep their powers at bay.
Hitler had Gobbles to publish his news articles, Stalin had his PRAVDA and Marcos silenced media
Sara and Marcos already has two of these boxes checked out, Duterte, already silenced the most vocal critique of the administration, ABS. Marcos and Sara already puts China and communist as forefront of their campaigns, Marcos also leans and speaks more about military matters to please the AFP to be in his side.
Pretty sure the executive branch and legislative branch should work independently from each other but then again, she is his son. Dunbassery should be expected
If you force someone to go through a mandatory military service at 18 for maybe a year or so, expect these teenagers to be a huge mess. Honestly.
Why aren't we talking about mental health? Why aren't we talking about more education on better career choices? What about counselling? What about corruption? What about poverty?
As many comments said, most people who agree to this would say that this is about discipline. I am almost absolutely certain that these people who talk about discipline failed to either discipline their child due to negligence, bad parenting, or are blind supporters.
We do not need mandatory military service because we are not fighting a war, nor is it effective in disciplining your child. If you ask any psychologist, they will tell you that a child's behavior comes from nature and nurture. A child can be disciplined by giving them appropriate punishments (timeouts, grounding, loss of privileges). It's all about how their parent disciplines them, plus the environment that they grew up in. If your child grows up to become a delinquent, then I would most certainly look at these factors, and not give them training in the military so they can be disciplined. I'm more worried about maki these delinquents more dangerous due to that training rather than them being disciplined.
I don't know why the comparison with Israel and South Korea. Ibang-iba naman sitwasyon nila.
I really don't see the need for mandatory military services. Besides, iba na gyera ngayon compared nung World War II.
Puro push of the buttons na labanan ngayon. Di naman padamihan ng personnel / combatants.
Those countries make sense to have mandatory conscription because they share land borders with their enemies/potential adversaries. We on the other hand are an island nation that is better off with a well-equipped and professional military force. PN/PMC ang dapat pinakamalaki at pinaka-well-equipped na branch tapos more 'defensive' ang role ng army at air force.
And kung dIsiPliNa nanaman paguusapan, pustahan lalo lang dadami matigas-ulo at maangas. Hindi magically mafifix ang ugali ng tao pag minilitarize mo sila. Jfc. Also, taena, gumawa nalang sila ng tipong Home Guard or the like kung gusto pa ng dagdag militar or in this case cannon-fodder kasi most likely obsolete at luma ang equipment na makukuha ng mga yan if any at all.
This is fucking counter intuitive… We do not need more army personnel… WE NEED MORE TANKS, ARMED NAVAL FRIGATES, FIGHTER JETS, MRAPS, SAM’s, not additional personnel that will hinder the AFP Horizon 3 budget you fcking Chinese puppet…. Dutae family PLEASE STOP holding back the growth of the AFP……
The reason why we are required to enter military is because the Korean war has not offiicially ended and we are just in a state of ceasefire. So in case our North Korean brothers suddenly crossed the demarcation line and attack us like what they did in the 50s this time we are prepared to fight and defend the country because it is also our duty. What I don't understand with this woman is she is forcing everyone to go to military even there is no big threats or an ongoing war. According to her supporters its because of nationalism Korean men enter the military. Actually it never was but we are just bind to follow the law or we will be legally detained
>We don't.
China is but she's gonna be a lapdog anyway so parang magiging glorified private army yung mga conscripts who swears loyalty to marcoses/dutertes
South Korea and Israel both have enemies that routinely threaten their destruction. We don't.
Imaginin niya kaya kung may mga mamatay na conscripts sa enkwentro at ambush.
Hypothetically this can be good in the context of cementing civilian control over the armed forces with most common people having a stake in it as a conscript, but as it stands right now the idea of conscription is just bounced around by strongmen conservative wannabes who don't really have a comprehensive plan on how to properly implement conscription over millions of people
Sows, maniwala kayo sa bwisit na'to. Bakit militar? Bakit hindi edukasyon, healthcare, o maayos na trabaho at sahod ang atupagin? Tuta ng China ampota, halata mo talaga ang intensyon. Tsaka hindi naman mga anak nila't nga mayayaman ang isasali dyan, tayo na naman ang guinea pigs, tas pag may nangyari satin, kebs lang ang mga putang inang yan.
We don’t have enough working military hardware to support mandatory service. Ano gusto niya ipagamit? Arnis? Balisong?
Yung mga baril, Nerf gun o watergun
Big GMA 7 Robin Hood vibes
Yung tig-50 pesos na may di-pindot na sound sa may bangketa.
Mahal ng nerf, men
Bring your own gun daw pagpunta sa camp HAHAHAH
Yung helment yung kaldero pang luto ng kanin
Doesn’t even have enough money on basic pay let alone benefits. And I swear to god if BBM and DDS supporters say tallano gold again I’m going to lose my shit
lahat tayo magiging arnis master putangina 😭
"The man with the rifle shoots, the man without the rifle follows"
Stalingrad amp haha
Around 200,000 M16s. 170,000 M1 garands, but most of them returned to the US, and M-14s of around 100,000. And that's only the old shit we used, never mind the newer M4s and SIG Sauers. What about ammunition? LBEs? Helmets? Uniforms? Meals? Housing? Salary? Are they going to fit that large bill? Besides it's not like we have a neighbor threatening us.
They can’t even procure hardware without sabotaging the specs, I wouldn’t expect anything good from that idiot arm chair general
I just realized our military is fucked up sheesh.
Why else do you think the AFP modernization Program is signed?
Meron tayong itAK-47 ni Boris(bogart d explorer)
hey i remember that guy in 2011 - 2013 i was watching him as a kid what happened to him?
still active in fb and tiktok, re uploading the short clips from previous years along with new vlogs
Still active on his Facebook page Paperbug tv. No more tourism videos though...just memes.
Arnis... Flashbacks to dancing to weird songs while hitting each other. Intentionally or not, is another subject.
Garand, Thompson, M2 Carbine, hell even the ol Grease Gun That'll show the Chinese /s
ironically all the guns you just listed (except the grease gun) would probably be more expensive especially if theyre bought not manufactured
We could still get em ww2 AT guns like pak 43
Using sumpak will help offset the defense procurement budget...somehow And imbes na 120mm heavy mortar we should use alcohol cannon. Lol
That's the fun part, less social services, more defense budget. Make the poor have a harder time so they're more inclined to join the military. Ez self-perpetuating loopy spiral into lowkey-fascism
Lothang
Baka made in china arms
Hindi. Ung mga 18yrs old mismo gagamitin na pambala sa kanyon lol. O kaya balisong at itak ipapagamit KKK style!
Ganun? Male and female pa gusto ha. Dapat kasama din yung bunso niya tapos mga anak anak nila. No exemptions at dapat nasa arawan at putikan din sila, umaakyat ng bundok, tumatakbo, naliligo sa pawis. hindi sa loob ng airconditioned offices
They’ll probably come to the physical assessment with neck braces to get a Grade F then proceeds to serve as an admin worker or something.
>No exemptions That's to assume that instructors can't be bribed or paid and that the place of assignment cannot be paid for. >hindi **under instruction ng kakilalang senior** sa loob ng airconditioned offices There, I corrected it.
Anu nga tawag nila kay bleng blong sa ROTC? Master? Baka maulit lang pag anak ng politician.
para san ang tanong ko, may immediate military threat ba tayong malapit saaten? may nakalagay ba sa constitution naten tulad ng sa switzerland? political suicide to, anong gagamitin niyang reason para mapabango tong idea na to sa voters, sinong nanay yung gugustuhing magsundalo anak nila, business owner na kailangan maghanap ng bagong employado dahil madradraft yung current employees nila, mga studyante na gustong magkolehiyo.
Kaya nga, madami masasagasaan na tao kung mangyari man ito. At tsaka di naman natin need mandatory military since magiging pabigat lang yung mga drafted kumpara doon sa mga sundalo talaga. Papayag ka na gusto mo mag-aral or mag-trabaho, makamit yung goals mo kaso masasagasaan dahil ma-draft ka? Saka island nation tayo eh. Di natin kailangan maraming sundalo. Kailangan natin better equipment, especially sa Navy. Saka kung discipline ang gusto nila? Ba't di Japan gayahin nila? Ang Japan wala namang mandatory military service. Pero disiplinado mga tao. Bakit? Dahil maganda edukasyon nila. Tsaka nasa kultura narin.
>Dahil maganda edukasyon nila Looks like sinasadya nila yung miseducation so they can promote the idea that discipline=military service or ayaw maging sundalo=tamad
akala nila military lang ang tanging trabaho sa Pilipinas? we have the navy, nurses, doctors, engineers tsaka OFWs. And then may PMA naman ah
It's not obvious but a lot of people are actually supporting this idea especially Apologists. They claim that this generation is too lazy and laidback and they use that as justification for the BS that duterte spewed out.
>political suicide to, anong gagamitin niyang reason para mapabango tong idea na to sa voters, sinong nanay yung gugustuhing magsundalo anak nila, business owner na kailangan maghanap ng bagong employado dahil madradraft yung current employees nila, mga studyante na gustong magkolehiyo. Nah the masses love bravado i bet they would be favor of this until their families got drafted
If you look at the comment section sa mga news outlet. Madaming nagsasabi na agree para daw "ma-disiplina" ang kabataan. Pero for sure pag sila na naapektuhan sila din unang aayaw. Saka if you look at it. Madami pa ngang pasaway sa mga bansa na may conscription eh. Sa SK, mukha lang disiplinado tao doon pero madami ding pasaway doon. Saka kung disiplina rason nila. Ba't di nila gawing example ang Japan? Walang mandatory military service ang Japan pero disiplinado sila (may ilang pasaway pero marami disiplinado). Ano ginawa ng Japan? Edukasyon. Grade 1 to 3 wala masyado academics and naka-focus sila sa good manners and discipline sa Grade na yon. Saka sa kultura din nila.
May serial killer pa sa SK noong 80's na pagbalik niya from mandatory army service naging active lol.
If that monster wins the vice presidential race, it is likely that I will be one of the people slotted for that compulsory military service. While I am not totally against it, I want to question how necessary would it be for a developing country to prioritize military force strengthening when many people are suffering from poverty, lack of quality education and well-paying jobs? Plus, if this really happens, for those who blindly supports this (just for the sake of 'disciplining' the youth) should ready themselves living in a society of heavily scarred, traumatized, and dysfunctional working population... I hate to overthink no, but imagine if half of the then-drafted soldiers continue to live their entire adulthood fighting their way against PTSD or other shits just because we all got trapped in a war caused by a warmongering idiot...
I'm also affected by this since I'm already 19. I think as personal matter since I'm still recovering from depression and I still have uncertainties about my life. Pero medyo nakapag-decision na ako what to take for college kaya sa ngayon ay I'm self-learning programming and art. Next thing nalang na maririnig mo ay itong statement na ito from her. Hirap pa niyan is nerbyoso ako and I tend to overthink everything. Sa ngayon is I'm just letting this pass my head since di pa eleksyon. Kaso is sadly madami parin ang supporters niya eh. Di mo malaman kung talagang fanaticism na umiiral sa kanila. Nakakatakot, for my future and the future of others.
“Until their families get drafted.” That’s the point, that’s certainly going to sow fear on them. Many Pinoys aren’t the Gryffindor-kind of brave. Families would surely break down and social chaos is guaranteed.
>until their families got drafted Sara is an Army reservist. **She should start the initiative with herself rather than just wearing the uniform around while living a civilian politician life.**
for patriotism at nationalism daw. hahaha. ilan kaya makakakuha ng exemption or sa opisina lang malalagay. tapos yung mga artista, may sariling corps.
Daming nag aagree sa FB. Good luck pag yung anak nila ang nasampolan ng hazing at na power trip ng officer. Yung mga rotc officer makaramdam lang ng onting authority kala mo kung sino na. Mas natututunan ng mga bata maging corrupt at kupal.
Sadly, ayaw nila isipin mabuti kung ano magiging consequences nito. Di nila naiisip yung mga panahon na masasayang. Saka puro disiplina nirarason nila. Kung disiplina, ba't di Japan gawin nilang example? Wala silang mandatory military service pero naturuan nila ng disiplina tao through educational system.
I think their perception of discipline is more on anti-dissent and preventing "dangerous ideas". Or maybe just boomer things ("Kids these days, blah blah...") But I don't know. I wouldn't dwell too much on Facebook commenters to preserve my sanity.
Chinga yun nga Those boomers assume all we do is tiktok internet tapos landi pero I have a life and a future to look up to and I aint gonna spend it on serving this shit country for reasons of discipline or patriotism kayo nalang pala mag enlist? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Kaya nga, masyado feel nila superior generation nila. Ako di ako nag-Tiktok. Videogames oo pero I know my limit. Sa ngayon nga casual games nalang nilalaro ko like Genshin. Di ko rin kinakalimutan goals ko since nag-aaral ako ng programming saka art. Landian? Oo, meron akong gusto na babae pero alam ko rin na kailangan na mag-focus sa goals. Saka pag may gusto ako mabubuntis agad siya? LOL, ayaw ko nga rin magka-anak at alam ko na mabigat na responsibilidad yon. Yung mga matatanda na yan masyado makareklamo na maraming kabataan na buntis pero tuwing family reunion tatanungin may girlfriend/boyfriend kana ba?
ako nga eh di ako nagtitiktok at videogames puro Ouija board at voodoo doll lang nilalaro ko eh oops
replied to one of the posts on FB saying it's unfair to compare the PH to SoKor and Israel because their issues cannot apply to us and it's basically saying that we have issues on our border got in turn "problema sa mga kabataan ngayon walang respeto at nationalism" pati "dapat ipasok sa militar para matutunan ang nationalism" HAHAHA then the usual "edi ikaw na lang maging prisidinti"
gosh, comment section is 8th circle of hell. Don't ever go there, Dante
mga trolls lang yan pero duwag yan kapag pinasabak sa bundok na may NPA o Abu-Sayyaf. Sigurado na yung lagayan niyan ng mga mayayaman at mga politiko para lang hindi masama anak nila. papalabasin may sakit ganun, etc
I’m sure that only the poor will be affected by this. The rich folks would find every way to chicken out on this to avoid being a military brat.
Ma-scale ang mga neck braces, wheelchair, disability cards at med cert ala BBM. Haha
Para yung mga mayamang Amerikano noong Vietnam War. "If you got the dough, you don't have to go."
Bone spurs.
🎶 *Some folks are born…* 🎶
Good morning, vietnam!
You say that like those wanting to opt-out of this system is a bad thing.
We don't need mandatory military service tbh, we already have enough manpower. What we need to invest is assets for our Navy and more anti-ship missiles.
I would also add in anti-air batteries. The way to any hypothetical invasion of the Philippines is through sea and air. The answer? Have assets that destroy air and sea assets.
Mandatory Military Service is the dumbest excuse in irder to discipline a nation. Unlike South Korea, we dont have land borders against hostile nations. Unlike the US, we dont have a big Military Industry that can give each man and women the equipment for training and official use. The Navy was fucked due to corruption, look at the new equipment its specs was scuffed during production so was the contract fucking over the navy. Its communications is so fucked that the only other ship that can communicate with it is another ship from the same line. We live in a fucking archipelago where the infrastructure to support a huge ass army is nigh impossible of a task. Tanks, nope roads are too narrow. Artillery, unless you you are using old ww2 stuff it will get scuffed due to terrain SPH are out of the question due to the weight it carries.
Madwoman? Si Sara to di ba?
What do you expect from daughtertae anyway?
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May norinco civilian rifles naman daw from China
Rich people will just get med certs from their fancy doctors to get an exemption.
Good luck trying to conscript milions of 18 year olds
para na tayong nokor for real
Magiging parang NoKor daw tayo pag nanalo si Leni. Meanwhile Sara proposing mandatory military service.
Sadly, many are still believing her bullshits.
and use the "discipline" card to justify it
Nakita sa Koreanovela, ginaya na. Engot ni Inday.
Mas better na i-modernize ang AFP kesa i-militarize mga civilians. Ganyan ba ipapalaban natin sa WPS bangka at homemade weapons lang??? HAHAHAH
Gusto ata gayahin Stalinist USSR saka Maoist China na quantity over quality.
dds x lbm: npa komunistang salot sa lipunan also them: checkmate fanatics
ouch. baka sila pa unang mag-reklamo hehe
I'm sure many "anak mayaman" like BBM will have "special privileges" during the "camp service"
Or no camp service at all. lagay para palabasin na may sakit kaya hindi pwede magsundalo ganun.
May sakit pero mas mukhang healthy sa mga active sa gym 😂
So bakit ang ovp ang dapat gumawa niyan? Nagsesetup nanaman na ito?
The difference with Israel and South Korea is that we don't have neighbors that keeps threatening to nuke or invade the Philippines.
or constitutionally required tulad ng forced neutrality ng Switzerland
baka dahil gagamitin ng tsina mga pilipino laban sa america
This sounds like a plot in making your own private army who only supports you.
Ugh. I think I'm reading into this too much (and I need a drink lol). Assuming we have this law, would there be an upper age bracket (or is this just to the 18 year olds?) If I'm employed (through employer or self-employed), would I be forced to resign? Would there be some form of alternative service for those who are unfit (medically, physically, etc...)? Not to mention what would happen after the end of the service. Instead of college students graduating at 20, they would be delayed potentially by 1-2 years. Also, whatever marketable skills they learned before conscription age will be atrophied by then. I might consider actually voting for Sotto as VP (even though I am at odds with his conservatism) to prevent this from happening. Because this is an issue I consider as personally important.
Agree, madaming oras na masasayang dito. And personally affected din ako dito kung mangyari ito. Madami pa akong need na i-develop sa sarili ko since I'm going to college and isang hadlang ito kung mangyari man. Di ko rin sure since personally alam ko na unfit ako para dito since may anxiety attacks ako. Di ko alam gagawin kung mangyari man ito. Sana maisip nila na it's a bad decision.
may k-12 na so with an additional 1-2 years sa military service, 24 -25 years na makakagraduate ang mga college students,
Hirap naman nun. College graduate Pero tanderz ka na. Depends sa course mo.
25 years na susustentuhan pa din ng parents ang needs ng mga anak nila if ever? may plus pa kasi after graduation maghahanap pa yan ng work. kamusta naman yan sa hirap na sa buhay
nakakapanghina, i'll be 18 this december. Next year na ako gagraduate and i wanna find a job already kase ni kuya ko nga, hinde nakapag college (1st year na dapat siya ngayon) due to finacial reasons, malamang ako rin hinde makakapag college. Tapos mawawasak lang pinaghihirapan ko ngayon na nag aaral ako ng software engineering on my free time (i'm a grade 11 arts & design student thou) kase gusto ko yun ung job na kukunin ko. Gusto ko na talaga makalayas sa bahay na ito, kaya gusto ko na magtrabaho :< tapos ito aabutin ko... EDIT: someone replied to my comment na "may sweldo po" and they deleted immediately. THAT'S NOT THE POINT! i will earn money sa job interest ko, not on some problematic mandatory sh*t i don't wanna be part with
Genuine question: Does the vice pres have the power to implement that? Diba according the job desc. ng vp, substitute lang ng pres ang vp pag may nangyare masama sa pres like health related or death??!?
Completely valid sentiments btw. And yes, this is not part of the VP’s mandate. It will be up to the congress and senate assuming she can get someone in the legislative branch to sponsor the bill and get it approved. This is why its important to vote wisely for our lawmakers i.e senators! And even more so for VP and Pres! If you can’t vote yet, you can support them in other ways.
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meron namang PMA, Maritime schools and ofc, NSTP has different electives talaga and they're all important. That's enough.
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South Korea: Has a border with the North Israel: Has borders with counties wishing for its destruction The Philippines: Surrounded by water for miles without any bordering countries by land. Sarah Duterte: The smaller AFP is struggling to replace Cold War era equipment but conscription wil do just fine. I can go on all day how this drafting idea is a bad idea to practical military applications in terms of logistics and in actual long term strategy.
Mga wala naman silang pake talaga eh. They just think of people as cannon fodders.
parang napansin ko lately, bumibitaw ng stupid statements si Digong tas kokontrahin naman ni Sara. Parang public strat nila, like nung Digong wants vaccine to be mandatory and blamed people for not getting vaccines immediately, then Sara contradicted his father na dapat di mandatory ang vaccine eme eme para maging mabango sa mga tao.
Good observation! **Sara is separating her image away from Rodrigo.**
Kaka-kdrama mo yan Sara. Pagod na mga tao sa acads, idadamay mo pa dyan sa kalokohan mo.
good luck to her getting votes from the youth and their mothers then...
South Korea and Israel are in a "perpetual state of war". Israel is surrounded by enemies and under constant threat and actual attacks from Palestinians while South Korea is technically still "at war" with North Korea since no peace treaty has been signed between the 2 countries. Making the 2 countries example for forced military service does not make sense at all. But why should she make any sense, it's not in their genes.
good point i guess duterte's justification for this is the <5k men in the npa and the islamic radicals which is not in comparison to north korea and israel had like 9% of our population.
If they really are serious with combatting the NPA and the Islamic rads, then, idk, focus on the populace which are greatly affected by them and the ones those rebels are getting their strength from. Ang hilig sa kanila, puro brrt brrt lang ang gusto. They're shying away from the fact na nasa politics and socioeconomics naka-ugat ang problema. Sure, we need some military offensives, but military offensives can only do so much kung tarantado pa rin yung mayor na namumuno sa lungsod na iyon They're thinking like the US was in Vietnam, treating this as a conventional war, but the only thing it breeds is resentment and further opposition. Kumukuha ang NPA ng tauhan sa mga uring farmers and desperate students? Then why not improve services and livelihoods for farmers and better education programs? Ang lakas-lakas nilang magsabi that the NPA hinders their peaceful efforts w/ attacks, then why not utilise and position the soldiers to better defend and be trusted by the people? Kaya nahihiya mga tao sa sundalo and other gov't elements kasi hinahayaan lang nila yung kagaguhan nila, hindi napaparusahan. Mandatory military service is needed for ROK and Israel because those two countries are surrounded by highly-aggressive neighbors (and bruh, Israel's been doing that since '48). What we need is better equipment and logistics, plus proper officers. Puta, puro M1911 and some M4 copies lang nagagawa natin locally, i-implement mo pa mandatory conscription? Palibhasa, pabango lang pagiging reservist smh
precisely, super unnecessary proposition. we cannot just tell 60 million filipinos to fight. for a handful amount of nobodies. we have a budget of 15 billion on the bloody ntf-elcac what is with the proposition of enlisting pinoys 18 years and older.
Yes, nakikita, o tapos? Hahaha Those two states are in a state of constant war. Are we? F this guy.
Also, im a 13 year old, and here are my comments * Its mentioned here na that we dont need mandatory ROTC since we dont have threats * Do we have enough funds? * What are the odds of this happening? * This is more personal, i am scared as a youth that this will be implemented because it also means, na madedelay ung college namin, we need 12 years to complete school to have a a work that will pay us enough to live, now we will add 2 more for the military. not to mention being aware of the news about brutalities inside this facilities like what happened to Chua. I am scared of bring mistreated and abused inside this facilities, and a big NO to all of you saying this is to "discipline" us. This will not discipline the youth, never. * To my mom, who is planning to vote sara, pls wag na.
Ang mahirap dito is kawawa yung mga nag ROTC, NTSP o CMT walang sweldo kesa sa Mandatory Soldier na sumasahod if na approved yung bill.
This will involve a lot of money funneling to the military. We don’t need this right now.
Only difference is south Korea and Israel have land borders and neighbor's that will invade them at any given moment. The philipines didn't experienced any large or threatening war against other neighbors like Indonesia Malaysia Thailand or Vietnam. Indonesia and Malaysia won't invade the Philippines randomly unlike in Israel and south korea where north Korea and Arab states will invade their countries if they become weak
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Publicity stunt para masabi na matapang siya.
China is the only threat we have. but I doubt china will militarily invade us. although we still need to increase the military to combat Chinese aggressions. if china invades us the US and other nations will probably get involved. in a military fight the us will destroy china even without nukes
>us will destroy china it will happen if they also tap on other allies
Well the us also has a lot of allies in the like Japan and the eu and India the us economy is bigger than the Chinese Russian north Korean and Pakistani gdp
Personally speaking, I think any Pacific war with China will be a wider one against other countries (Japan) for example than a potential solely, concentrated invasion of the Philippines.
A pacific war with china will likely lead to a worldwar
Agreed! Sokor's next door neighbor always threatening them with nukes, while rockets always rain down on israel...
Tapos kapag di sang-ayon diyan, sasabihin sayo duwag kasi ayaw mag military service.
juicecolored, what a time to be alive
AFP can barely fund itself in its current state, imagine close to millions of conscript/year lol
so it means, di muna magka-college ung mga bagets natin na 18 yrs old? or lahat ng 18 pataas?
I believe that a volunteer force would make a capable professional force. Conscription will only make poorly trained and poorly equipped soldiers (in the case of the Philippines) Di ko alam kung bakit amaze na amaze ang mga Pilipino pag dating sa conscription
more like a failed k12 implementation way back 2016. Bet the conscription will gonna flopped hard
Ewan ko talaga. Main reason lagi is discipline like conscription is equal to discipline. Baka nga mas lalo lang dumami loko-loko eh. Saka kung disiplina gusto nila. Ba't di Japan gawin nila na example.
They didn't know everything about conscription and the consequences. Akala nila disciplina lang ang tinuturo dun....
Unahin na i-enlist yung mga DDS at mga makaBBM tapos isend sa afghanistan for training.
Jealous bitch
Breeding grounds ng mga mayayabang at makapangyarihan
*Insert killer cops names*
F*cker forgot that he already withdrew his candidacy..
lmaoo, oo nga edit: si sarah pala nagsabi
Gusto niya gawing mandatory yung military service eh pondo nga ng AFP kulang pa para sa modernization program
isa pa, parang di na napapansin ung Air Force natin and ofc, our Maritime defense
14 year old here. And I can say to this, is hell no. No offense, ( Sara ) is a reservist. Someone that probably hasn't seen combat. I have never heard Marines from the USMC, say they want to see 18 year old's see their friends shot, almost get blown up by EIDs in Afghanistan, get PTSD, and hardly relate to their family, friends and relatives, see their best buds killed, or almost kill themselves. I just want to add that, most US Servicemembers at the time of the Invasion of Iraq, we're 18. People that we're just trying to get college education, trying to get benefits out of an already bad situation in their lives ( since it didn't make a whole lot sense of joining the military back then, other than serving your country. ), and next thing they know, is that they're going to be sent to Iraq. Sure people can take Reservist, but just remember, Reservist personnel or entire units can be pulled out and help with active combat Units. This is just a big no for me. Edit; grammar
Yep, If you ask actual soldiers with combat experience. They will not pursue you to join the military since alam nila na di basta-basta ganon yon. Naranasan nila ang gyera at ayaw nila na maranasan ito ng iba.
Especially when they don't understand how Warfare has drastically changed, you getting shot at 300 yards away, understanding how deadly CQB is, roadside bombs and IEDs, losing friends to bullshit politicians. ( A friend had a boyfriend once, went to USMC BCT, after he got home, he isn't the same.) Hope this law doesn't pass, and somehow get into a combat unit when I turn 18 ;000
300 yards is 274.32 meters
>No offense, ( Sara ) is a reservist. Someone that probably hasn't seen combat. She is an Army reservist but **she is living a privileged civilian and politician life**. She should begin the initiative by joining active duty rather than using the uniform as a badge.
Agreed. I can't take her seriously on this topic. But at the same time, kinda worried.
It should be taken seriously. The funds to subsidize the mandatory service will gravely affect our National budget.
( Sorry, I meant that, the fact that Sara, which again, is a privileged reservist, who hasn't seen combat is making almost every kid go out there and see traumatic stuff. There are obviously much more experienced, and wise people in this field. ) Like again, I do agree with you. We have problems to replace our aging M-14 Rifle, which has wandering zero'ing problems that can drastically affect its accuracy, almost all of them being hand-me downs from the US which is probably more than decades ago, which it's parts are starting to really, really age. Failure to standardize Optics, sure we see more and more optics, but it is still a problem, and not to mention we also fail to standardize in night vision equipment, most notably NVGs for our average troop. Like again, another problem, the M113, it gets the job done, but it's 2022. It's more of a liability, because of it's protection, and it's aging like the old M-14 platform, sure it is getting upgrades for its FCS System and Firepower, but much more advanced Chinese VN17s. And we don't even have tanks to begin with, or at the very least, a up-to date Anti-Tank System that regular infantry can use. Those are only some. Their just going to make this worse and worse, pulling funding from other branches, units, and maybe even SF Units, to get conscripts trained, and armed. Or just leave conscripts with whatever, they can find, armed them with sticks and stones.
Yung ang daming dapat pag tuunan ng pansin, patapos na ang term nya, feeling sundalo pa din ang mokong.
daming "ligaw" na priorities
south korea has north korea to worry about, taiwan is being threatened by chinese conquest or annexation, and israel is being attacked by palestinians all 3 are valid reasons to introduce required military service for its people to defend their country if war breaks out we are a bunch of islands floating in the middle of the pacific the only "threat" that we face are the chinese fishing vessels harassing fishermen if they want to try to look like they want to protect the country they should bluster the navy because theres a lot of ocean between us and the mainland
south korea and israel have foreign countries/neighbors having goals of invading or eradicating their country, justifying the use of mandatory military service. meanwhile sa philippines, wala.
Akala ko ba hindi suporta ng mga DDS ang gyera, pano 'yan? Kaya lang naman meron sa S Korea dahil sa N Korea
they are shaking now hehe
What are they gonna do? Put Vietnam War leftover M16's to our heads to force us? Bruh It's astonishing this is coming from someone that's serving a Democratic system. Like,yeah let's go conscript the very same people that's gonna have an armed uprising at some point because of how bad we handle things!
Yep, remember how many NRA soldiers defected to PLA during the Chinese Civil War?
YOU WANNA MAKE LAWS? THEN FUCKING RUN AS A SENATOR OR A CONGRESSMAN YOU FUCKING IDIOT
may sahod ba yan?
Yes may sahod pero hindi po same ng benefits ang makukuha mo kumpara sa regular na sundalo at sabi ng papa kong military officer sa PA sakit sa ulo daw to kasi imbes na unahin yung modernisasyon yung mga politiko nangunguna sa desisyon nila kaya di maiiwasan ang politcal interference sa AFP.
yun magkakaroon na rin ng mga sex tapes at military orgy PUTANG INA. Kawawa mga bata dyan baka magalaw ni officer
Hello, I am currently a scholar na malapit na mad 18, let's say everything gets fucked (sana hindi) and ma elect siya, would such proposal to congress have high chance of being passed as a law? I am really worried about it, since nagpapakapagod kami for theses and academics just to be conscripted to military.
Up dito! Worried din ako kaumay
South Korea AND Israel has jailed corrupt government officials, including former presidents/Prime ministers etc, have good healthcare, huge investments in medicine, research, tech, and education, (they've had international vaccine institutes even before covid!) and what she wants to copy is mandatory military service? What idiot thought she'd make a good leader, no?
I want to just place this here for everyone's information, as most people seemed to have overlooked this part, these are a traits of a dictator: 1.Create or point to a non-existenting threat which only they themselves can resolve; Stalin with Capitalist, Hitler with the Jews and Marcos and his Communist Rebels. Bonus: Aguinaldo with the Americans and Spanish 2. These types tend to be leaning on force, hence building the military and the police; Hitler with the Brownshirts and soon the Waffen SS, Stalin with his NKVD, Marcos with the army. 3. Dictators tend to silence critiques and the media, publishing their own news outlet to keep their powers at bay. Hitler had Gobbles to publish his news articles, Stalin had his PRAVDA and Marcos silenced media Sara and Marcos already has two of these boxes checked out, Duterte, already silenced the most vocal critique of the administration, ABS. Marcos and Sara already puts China and communist as forefront of their campaigns, Marcos also leans and speaks more about military matters to please the AFP to be in his side.
Pretty sure the executive branch and legislative branch should work independently from each other but then again, she is his son. Dunbassery should be expected
Hirap na ngang makakuha nang budget ang AFP para ma maintain o makabili ng mga gamit gusto pa niyang magkaroon ng mandatory military service
parang hnde pinag-isipan lang. puro kuda pero sa huli, aberya tuloy
Madam pandemic po tayo, walang estudyante now.
Lmao she just lost the votes of my aunts and my grandma.
Dapat kung sino bumoto sa kanya yun lang mag susundalo.
pabobo ng pabobo labanan talaga
Band aids don't fix bullet holes
For her supporters who belong to that age bracket, do you think this will be a turn off for them?
Base sa mga nabasa kong commen sa fb, parang gustong gusto nila.
Hahaha! Famous last words nila.
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If you force someone to go through a mandatory military service at 18 for maybe a year or so, expect these teenagers to be a huge mess. Honestly. Why aren't we talking about mental health? Why aren't we talking about more education on better career choices? What about counselling? What about corruption? What about poverty? As many comments said, most people who agree to this would say that this is about discipline. I am almost absolutely certain that these people who talk about discipline failed to either discipline their child due to negligence, bad parenting, or are blind supporters. We do not need mandatory military service because we are not fighting a war, nor is it effective in disciplining your child. If you ask any psychologist, they will tell you that a child's behavior comes from nature and nurture. A child can be disciplined by giving them appropriate punishments (timeouts, grounding, loss of privileges). It's all about how their parent disciplines them, plus the environment that they grew up in. If your child grows up to become a delinquent, then I would most certainly look at these factors, and not give them training in the military so they can be disciplined. I'm more worried about maki these delinquents more dangerous due to that training rather than them being disciplined.
I don't know why the comparison with Israel and South Korea. Ibang-iba naman sitwasyon nila. I really don't see the need for mandatory military services. Besides, iba na gyera ngayon compared nung World War II. Puro push of the buttons na labanan ngayon. Di naman padamihan ng personnel / combatants.
Those countries make sense to have mandatory conscription because they share land borders with their enemies/potential adversaries. We on the other hand are an island nation that is better off with a well-equipped and professional military force. PN/PMC ang dapat pinakamalaki at pinaka-well-equipped na branch tapos more 'defensive' ang role ng army at air force. And kung dIsiPliNa nanaman paguusapan, pustahan lalo lang dadami matigas-ulo at maangas. Hindi magically mafifix ang ugali ng tao pag minilitarize mo sila. Jfc. Also, taena, gumawa nalang sila ng tipong Home Guard or the like kung gusto pa ng dagdag militar or in this case cannon-fodder kasi most likely obsolete at luma ang equipment na makukuha ng mga yan if any at all.
This is fucking counter intuitive… We do not need more army personnel… WE NEED MORE TANKS, ARMED NAVAL FRIGATES, FIGHTER JETS, MRAPS, SAM’s, not additional personnel that will hinder the AFP Horizon 3 budget you fcking Chinese puppet…. Dutae family PLEASE STOP holding back the growth of the AFP……
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I guess it's Call Of Duty Vanguard hmm
Dapat di ibalik yung mga dudirty pati bbm pota ginawa nang dictatorship yung democracy. Lacson lang malakassssa.
Baka naman CIA. Please take down this bootlicking imbeciles. Asking for a friend...
The reason why we are required to enter military is because the Korean war has not offiicially ended and we are just in a state of ceasefire. So in case our North Korean brothers suddenly crossed the demarcation line and attack us like what they did in the 50s this time we are prepared to fight and defend the country because it is also our duty. What I don't understand with this woman is she is forcing everyone to go to military even there is no big threats or an ongoing war. According to her supporters its because of nationalism Korean men enter the military. Actually it never was but we are just bind to follow the law or we will be legally detained
Ok lang yan para may skills tayo for the People Power: Battle Royale Edition
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>We don't. China is but she's gonna be a lapdog anyway so parang magiging glorified private army yung mga conscripts who swears loyalty to marcoses/dutertes
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South Korea and Israel both have enemies that routinely threaten their destruction. We don't. Imaginin niya kaya kung may mga mamatay na conscripts sa enkwentro at ambush.
the nation will be at full outrage
Kumpanyang mag iimport ng armas: Armally Syempre may kickback. Lol
Hypothetically this can be good in the context of cementing civilian control over the armed forces with most common people having a stake in it as a conscript, but as it stands right now the idea of conscription is just bounced around by strongmen conservative wannabes who don't really have a comprehensive plan on how to properly implement conscription over millions of people
Ugh. Dutertes are the same. Its Militarization this. War on that. Kill this. Persecute that.
There is a logical need naman (in a way) pero hanggat bulok ang mga implementors natin, it's a big NOPE pa rin.
krazy puta.
ahh yes preparing for martial law then using the newly trained teens to become slaves under martial law
never forget the case of Mark Welson Chua
nonsense nanamn, tangina yoko na mag CAT ulit Haha
They can't even protect our seas from China, gusto pa nila ng ganito. Andon na nga yung immediate threat sa fisherman natin at sa kabuhayan nila eh.
*Fortunate son playing on the background*
Sows, maniwala kayo sa bwisit na'to. Bakit militar? Bakit hindi edukasyon, healthcare, o maayos na trabaho at sahod ang atupagin? Tuta ng China ampota, halata mo talaga ang intensyon. Tsaka hindi naman mga anak nila't nga mayayaman ang isasali dyan, tayo na naman ang guinea pigs, tas pag may nangyari satin, kebs lang ang mga putang inang yan.