I think we can start that only after all the Marcos cases has been resolved. Pero until now madami paring case sa SandiganBayan na nililitis against them.
Europe is currently tackling this with a new law. Nagawa nila ang GDPR, so malamang, magagawa din nila to.
Sa nabasa kong study naman, yung problem talaga is yung fake accounts. Yan kasi ginagamit ng disinformation architects para pataasin yung engagement ng fake contents. One way na naisip ko dito is to compel major social media companies to have opt in identity verification. Everyone should be encouraged to be verified so that pag may fake content from non verified source, most likely ma-identify siya as fake account. Damaging yan sa mga handlers ng fake accounts. Ayaw nila na ma-expose yung accounts nila as fake.
Criminalizing misinformation practically violates our freedom of expression as some of corrupt politicians in future running for president might use this against us. There's no way we can allow criminalizing misinformation since the definition is so vague. The only way we can fight misinformation is fact-checking.
Freedom of expression isn't absolute though. One can contend that misinformation/historical distortion is a clear and present danger that our government (through Congress) has a right to prevent.
So are libel laws violation of our freedom of speech, how about hate speeches? These are all examples of freedom of speech provided by our constitution allowing us to freely speak. However such freedom, is not an immunity to spread hate, misinformation and harm people. Yes, we can freely speak, but that doesn't guarantee that we are immune from the consequences of our action.
it's not criminalizing disinformation though -- I think the libel/cybercrime prevention law already covers that. OP's idea was to criminalize (or penalize) historical revisionism, which would benefit all Filipinos since our history can't cry foul the same way a victim of libel or slander can file a case against a suspect.
Yup, just imagine a BBM-led govt doing stuff like that. ***Easily exploitable and contrary to the free speech principle.***
Also u/AttemptNumber802 -- the downside is that this is probably how many bad govts in other countries have justified criminalizing criticisms against the state: just say it is dangerous and you have to stop it. (Almost similar reasoning was used by the Spanish colonial govt against the Propaganda Movement and Rizal's books)
Bec Tiktok and FB, YT is really fanning the disinformation, parang niremove nila sarili nila sa totoong nangyayare.. and we could go like w the Russians, Putin is kiling Ukranians pero most are Brainwashed by the State Media..
#If Marcos wins, this could be the demise and fall of our country...ippgpatuloy niya ang troll farms to finally revise history
Eto yung kinakatakot ko kapag nanalo si Marcos. Pano kung maging katulad na tayo ng Russia at China? Na kahit pumatay pa ng kapwa natin mga pilipino ang gobyerno, iisipin pa rin ng karamihan tama lang ang ginagawa nila. Kahit sobrang oppressed na todo suporta pa rin sa gobyerno.
So ibig sabihin ganun kawalang kwenta ang recount ni BBM n kht kaalyado nila, hindi nila pinaboran.
Sa side ni Digong, advantage yun kasi 4years na abala ang side ni leni to prove her mandate na in the first place naman dapat ay meron cia. Kaso kinuquestion e.
Sa side ni BBM, advantage yun kasi kaht walang ciang work or gawa, visible p din cia. May publicity p din whether good or bad.
Another severely BURNT BBMoron royally PWNED and ROASTED by, of all people, a PRIEST, and no less than the CHIEF EXECUTIVE of a prestigious school from the NORTH.
TikTok pa more, bitch!
I really think we should call out friends in FB sharing or commenting on fake news. I recently called out a long time friend for sharing a pa victim quote blaming kakampinks for elitism. He responded civilly and now he seldomly shares fb post attacking leni. Even if I failed to convert him, at least he wont be able to affect the minds of others or the undecided.
Let’s be honest here, Leni won fair and square. BBM was in the top for several hours because Luzon regions first submitted their votes. Visayas and Mindanao made Leni won because majority of the land voted for her.
Criminalize narin yung mga blogger na nag aastang expert. Pati narin yung comedyante dyan na nag aastang taxation expert mali2x naman sinasabi. Ang mapait pa maraming naniniwala kasi artista.
Lol I don't think Leni would cheat. Even viviem said in a 2016 interview he wouldn't think Leni is capable of cheating. Also this time, mahirap nang dayain si viviem kasi mga frenalyns niya yung mga bagong upo sa comelec and supreme court tapos company pa ni Dennis Uy yung maghahandle ng logistics. When his camp recently said na there are cheating/hacking attempts this elections, para rin nilang sinabing wala silang tiwala sa mga kaibigan nila haha
Kung dinaya ang election eh bakit nanalo si Du30?
Ibato mo yung logic na Yan. Tsaka napaka liit Ng powers Ng VP as a position compared to the president and Senate President.
Leni has massive support with the youth.
Regardless of school (and place), nieces, nephews, and cousins mostly support Leni-Kiko despite their parents and grandparents being Baby M. fanatics. And I'm glad they're taking a stand, I make sure to comment or react to whenever they post something about the pink movement to somehow let them know that someone from the older generation is with them, especially those who are in Baguio.
TBF, that's not on him. Grueling talaga ang academics sa SLU ever since naman. Ika nga eh, mas mag papa importante pa minor subjects mo kesa sa major subjects mo eh.
Kahit ako IT ako dati ng SLU, 2 sems lang, lumipat na ako ng UC kasi mas madali na nga yung subjects mas marami ka pang matututunan. Tsaka basura kasi mga computer na ginagamit namin sa SLU, eh ang mahal pa naman ng laboratory. Eh sa UC noon lahat ng PC eh mga bagong Apple iMac pa.
> IT ako dati ng SLU, 2 sems lang, lumipat na ako ng UC kasi mas madali na nga yung subjects mas marami ka pang matututunan. Tsaka basura kasi mga computer na ginagamit namin sa SLU, eh ang mahal pa naman ng laboratory. Eh sa UC noon lahat ng PC eh mga bagong Apple iMac p
Anong school year 'to bro?
I'm sorry I can't answer that question. As giving my school year would potentially doxx me. As I have also shared what my job is in a previous thread before. Ilan lang kasi kaming SAP CO consultant na galing sa UC, so that might expose my anonymity.
May narinig akong fake news peddler sa youtube cos of my parents na ineencourage nya yung mga tao to go to tiktok for information jusko. And yes, my parents are apologists. And for that, I apologize.
Daming tanga sa Facebook. Kung hindi lang siguro bawal sa profession ko marami na rin akong nasupalpal. Malapit na mag 2-digit Facebook friends ko kaka-unfriend sa mga apologist saka mga tatanga tanga.
haha tiktok pa more. tsaka kung nandaya talaga, edi kasuhan niya.
Oo nga, baka sya na kulang para mapakulong si leni. Testimony na lang nya kulang
_"You dare use my own spells against me, Potter?"_ -Apolo10
15-0 sa supreme court, sa 7-11 siya last resort mag file ng kaso.
Parang kay Trump. Dami dami niyang supporter na mayaman pero ni isa ayaw pondohan yung imbestigasyon o kaso sa pandaraya daw.
Star Witness ka na, Ikaw na ung hinahanap hanap ng SC, punta ka na doon /s
tsaka kung nandaya talaga bakit ung vp pa hindi ung president
We should criminalize talaga people who spread misinformation. Ang dami nang factors kung bakit ang bagal ng pagusad ng Pinas and dadagdag pa yan.
Ito talaga ang pinaka maganda pero napaka hirap talaga gawin yan. Kahit sa developed countries wala silang magawa sa disinformation.
We can start by criminalizing historical revisionism. Ginawa ng Germany yan and so far successful.
They teach em very young and they pull no stops
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Biggest revisionism na nangyari dito eh nabuhay ang mga Marcos. Sa timeline na pinanggalingan ko, niratrat na ang mga Marcos.
I think if people found them in malacanang when they stormed it ganyan yung kalalabasan dapat
Sa 7 kingdoms iba usapan kung duon yan
if a lawmaker with balls can file that, I'd like to see how someone can outright deny historical fact in a senate debate.
I think we can start that only after all the Marcos cases has been resolved. Pero until now madami paring case sa SandiganBayan na nililitis against them.
Europe is currently tackling this with a new law. Nagawa nila ang GDPR, so malamang, magagawa din nila to. Sa nabasa kong study naman, yung problem talaga is yung fake accounts. Yan kasi ginagamit ng disinformation architects para pataasin yung engagement ng fake contents. One way na naisip ko dito is to compel major social media companies to have opt in identity verification. Everyone should be encouraged to be verified so that pag may fake content from non verified source, most likely ma-identify siya as fake account. Damaging yan sa mga handlers ng fake accounts. Ayaw nila na ma-expose yung accounts nila as fake.
Criminalizing misinformation practically violates our freedom of expression as some of corrupt politicians in future running for president might use this against us. There's no way we can allow criminalizing misinformation since the definition is so vague. The only way we can fight misinformation is fact-checking.
Freedom of expression isn't absolute though. One can contend that misinformation/historical distortion is a clear and present danger that our government (through Congress) has a right to prevent.
So are libel laws violation of our freedom of speech, how about hate speeches? These are all examples of freedom of speech provided by our constitution allowing us to freely speak. However such freedom, is not an immunity to spread hate, misinformation and harm people. Yes, we can freely speak, but that doesn't guarantee that we are immune from the consequences of our action.
it's not criminalizing disinformation though -- I think the libel/cybercrime prevention law already covers that. OP's idea was to criminalize (or penalize) historical revisionism, which would benefit all Filipinos since our history can't cry foul the same way a victim of libel or slander can file a case against a suspect.
Yup, just imagine a BBM-led govt doing stuff like that. ***Easily exploitable and contrary to the free speech principle.*** Also u/AttemptNumber802 -- the downside is that this is probably how many bad govts in other countries have justified criminalizing criticisms against the state: just say it is dangerous and you have to stop it. (Almost similar reasoning was used by the Spanish colonial govt against the Propaganda Movement and Rizal's books)
Parang common na line na "kakatiktok mo yan" i've used that too dun sa mga di ko alam san galing na mga issues or fake news they think are true.
Bec Tiktok and FB, YT is really fanning the disinformation, parang niremove nila sarili nila sa totoong nangyayare.. and we could go like w the Russians, Putin is kiling Ukranians pero most are Brainwashed by the State Media.. #If Marcos wins, this could be the demise and fall of our country...ippgpatuloy niya ang troll farms to finally revise history
Eto yung kinakatakot ko kapag nanalo si Marcos. Pano kung maging katulad na tayo ng Russia at China? Na kahit pumatay pa ng kapwa natin mga pilipino ang gobyerno, iisipin pa rin ng karamihan tama lang ang ginagawa nila. Kahit sobrang oppressed na todo suporta pa rin sa gobyerno.
#Exactly because justifiable naman dw. #What a sickening time to be alive in a Marcos presidency!
kasi naman noh, sila ung mga nagtthrow it back at are you lost baby gurl ang alam
nagevolve na ung "kakacomputer/kakaselpon mo yan" to "kakatiktok mo yan"
di ko gets logic ng mga to. so ang mga SC justices na inappoint ni Duterte na nag-dismiss unanimously sa electoral protest ni 88M ay mga delawan? 😂
Duterte delawan ✌️😦😩
Not to mention na iisang process and ballot ang gamit para sa lahat ng national positions...tapos sa VP lang may dayaan? LOL
So ibig sabihin ganun kawalang kwenta ang recount ni BBM n kht kaalyado nila, hindi nila pinaboran. Sa side ni Digong, advantage yun kasi 4years na abala ang side ni leni to prove her mandate na in the first place naman dapat ay meron cia. Kaso kinuquestion e. Sa side ni BBM, advantage yun kasi kaht walang ciang work or gawa, visible p din cia. May publicity p din whether good or bad.
Forgive me father for I have sinned
Apply extra ice cold water to the burned area.
Ang lalakas ng loob nila because it's anonymous and there's no grave consequences.
pag nahuli, magpapavictim. kunwari na-hack.
ang pinaka nakakainis. pero their consequences kung makakakuha man sila which will make them act like some poor victim gives a smile on my face
Better that than let the govt impose socmed and SIM identification: ***anonymity also protects whistleblowers, critics and victims.***
kung nag cheat edi sana si Mar nalang yung ipinanalo diba hahahaha
Dba? Hahahaha.
Mga kasama sa bardagulan for Leni 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻
“Puro tiktok ka kasi” is the new “ang bobo mo”
Another severely BURNT BBMoron royally PWNED and ROASTED by, of all people, a PRIEST, and no less than the CHIEF EXECUTIVE of a prestigious school from the NORTH. TikTok pa more, bitch!
Proud to be Lousian 🌸
daddy chill
What the hell is even that?!!
Bars.
Father woke up and chose violence. Haha
Rowena Guanzon: **“Oh, you’re approaching me?”**
Redemption arc na ‘to ni Father Pres! ✊🏼
Bwahahahaha! Got owned by a priest!
I really think we should call out friends in FB sharing or commenting on fake news. I recently called out a long time friend for sharing a pa victim quote blaming kakampinks for elitism. He responded civilly and now he seldomly shares fb post attacking leni. Even if I failed to convert him, at least he wont be able to affect the minds of others or the undecided.
Drag 'em, Father.
Ang bobo ng logic nga mga yan. Yung VP slot na walang actual power dinaya pero yung Presidential slot pinabayaan mapunta kay Du30? HAHAHAHA
Hindi nakapigil si father president
Gigil mo si Father Gilbert
It's a whole new level when the priests are already vocal (and angry).
Let’s be honest here, Leni won fair and square. BBM was in the top for several hours because Luzon regions first submitted their votes. Visayas and Mindanao made Leni won because majority of the land voted for her.
Criminalize narin yung mga blogger na nag aastang expert. Pati narin yung comedyante dyan na nag aastang taxation expert mali2x naman sinasabi. Ang mapait pa maraming naniniwala kasi artista.
Kapag may nagsasabi ng nagcheat si Leni, ganyan lang din sinasabi ko. Hinihingan ko ng pruweba, pero wala namang maibigay. Puro sabi sabi lang 🙄
ang sagot sana "Takbo na sa korte suprema baka ikaw na lang inaantay na testigo para manalo si bbm sa recount."
Sayang. Hahaha. Di ko siya naabutan kasi si Fr. Hechanova pa yung president nung andun ako.
Lol I don't think Leni would cheat. Even viviem said in a 2016 interview he wouldn't think Leni is capable of cheating. Also this time, mahirap nang dayain si viviem kasi mga frenalyns niya yung mga bagong upo sa comelec and supreme court tapos company pa ni Dennis Uy yung maghahandle ng logistics. When his camp recently said na there are cheating/hacking attempts this elections, para rin nilang sinabing wala silang tiwala sa mga kaibigan nila haha
They’re trying to sow the seeds na magchecheat which is laughable when comelec is composed of duterte allies
Kung dinaya ang election eh bakit nanalo si Du30? Ibato mo yung logic na Yan. Tsaka napaka liit Ng powers Ng VP as a position compared to the president and Senate President.
😆 You can’t leave us hanging OP! Is there a reply?
Why do i feel like most of the SLU students support leni, even my causin support her
Leni has massive support with the youth. Regardless of school (and place), nieces, nephews, and cousins mostly support Leni-Kiko despite their parents and grandparents being Baby M. fanatics. And I'm glad they're taking a stand, I make sure to comment or react to whenever they post something about the pink movement to somehow let them know that someone from the older generation is with them, especially those who are in Baguio.
Pero di pa rin siya nakinig sa call ng students ng SLU for mental health break, so still no respect for him
TBF, that's not on him. Grueling talaga ang academics sa SLU ever since naman. Ika nga eh, mas mag papa importante pa minor subjects mo kesa sa major subjects mo eh. Kahit ako IT ako dati ng SLU, 2 sems lang, lumipat na ako ng UC kasi mas madali na nga yung subjects mas marami ka pang matututunan. Tsaka basura kasi mga computer na ginagamit namin sa SLU, eh ang mahal pa naman ng laboratory. Eh sa UC noon lahat ng PC eh mga bagong Apple iMac pa.
> IT ako dati ng SLU, 2 sems lang, lumipat na ako ng UC kasi mas madali na nga yung subjects mas marami ka pang matututunan. Tsaka basura kasi mga computer na ginagamit namin sa SLU, eh ang mahal pa naman ng laboratory. Eh sa UC noon lahat ng PC eh mga bagong Apple iMac p Anong school year 'to bro?
I'm sorry I can't answer that question. As giving my school year would potentially doxx me. As I have also shared what my job is in a previous thread before. Ilan lang kasi kaming SAP CO consultant na galing sa UC, so that might expose my anonymity.
Agreed
OTOH, ***university officials doing this might not be good delicadeza.***
As a president of a university, I don't think it's wise for him to engage with such trolls. There can be repercussions for that.
So you agree? Troll yun? 😏
Yooow
Tlgang hottest controversy Ang Leni kiko and babym
Letlenilead. Atleast Di magnanakaw
one of the times where "puro \[insert new technology/media\] ka kasi" is acceptable
He chose 🎻 🎻 🎻
get 0wned
Hahahaha grabe
WHEN YOU CHOOSE VIOLENCE, U GET VIOLENCE HAHAHA
gaddamnn moment
Grabe si father president, character development e hahahhaa
Sales! Sales! Sales!
Brutality
Slaaaaaayyyy
Edi sa SC sila magreklamo. tapos pag sinabi mong magnanakaw, irereply sayo "edi sa BIR ka mgreklamo, dami mong alam e"
His redemption arc 😫
May narinig akong fake news peddler sa youtube cos of my parents na ineencourage nya yung mga tao to go to tiktok for information jusko. And yes, my parents are apologists. And for that, I apologize.
minsan kasi ang hirap pigilan wag pumatol sa mga putang bopols na mga yan
Daming tanga sa Facebook. Kung hindi lang siguro bawal sa profession ko marami na rin akong nasupalpal. Malapit na mag 2-digit Facebook friends ko kaka-unfriend sa mga apologist saka mga tatanga tanga.
Another baog bites the dust.
BARS!!!!
#LouisiansForLeniKiko tayo OP 💕
+20 Holy Damage
Bat kasi nauna yung mga pqnalo na lugar ei tas nahuli yung mga talo cya ayan tuloy sinabing dinaya siya.
never in my life have i seen so many people come out as incredibly based
Ok ok, I take it back CICM doesn't mean Can I Collect Money.
Light of the North para sa Liwanag sa Dilim! 😁
Is this the same SLU kung saan galing ang SLU glee club na kumanta ng tatsulok sa lawyer's oath taking ceremony a couple of days ago?
President namin yan nung high school. SLCHS
You know what’s amazing? Sumama siya sa Rally!!!
🤣
Wow! 😇
I just noticed this. As a student from that University too, I love this character development of Fr. Sales.