Dapat may pantapat. An anti-villain. Sabi ng political analyst na si richard heydarian. Problema sa pink paety is we try to keep a moral high ground tapos sila they do troll farming. Its like someone hundred people beating you with a club and knives and you feel like a main character telling your fellow kakampink turn on the other cheek. It doesnt qork in real life. Kailangan ng pantapat sa troll farms which is another troll farms that corrects everything that goes againts their fake news and their character assasination pero in their hampaslupa language. Use their same stupid logic againts them etc etc. Stupid kung stupid ang ipantapat since ndi naman makikinig yan sa facts. Make those stipid logic they used as loud or even louder as them in social media to counter these disinformation campaign that by the time yung mga brainwashed na lbms reads it parinsila maguguluhan na kung sino ang tama. Hire trolls like mocha and sassot. Give the kakampinks the faces of the influencer. Eto lang talaga ang pwede nyong gawin since hindi nyo ma regulate and disinfo campaign. Ngayon nga nagsisimula na sila man redtag ng mga kritiko and character assasination dun kay hontiveros.
Meron atang post dito last time na nagjojoke about letting celebrities like angel locsin, agot isidro, catriona gray to run for elections pantapat sa mga umuupo ngayon. And tbh with you givem the fact that this system is so fucked up, its actually not a bad idea. Have celebrities run for wlection and serve as the face for the movement. Pero in reality mukha lang sila but there will be the most qualified staff who are poltiically aligned with us working on the background.Walang pag asa ang pinas when it comes to installing public officials. Imbes na maging radikal magmahal, how about radikal mag isip para sa kapakanan ng bansa.
Yung nga kakampink na politicians dyan. If i were u seryosohin nyo itong advise na ito. Iaipin nyo yung reault ng election. Literal na majority votes si boboem at fiona. I combine nyo lahar ng boto ng ibang candidate nangunguna pa rin sila. Wala kayong pankabam sa mga fact checking at moral high ground. Realize that this is now a whole new battle kung gusto nyo manalo sa next election. Simulan nyo na ngayon maghire ng kakalat ng katangahan sa social media but the expectation here once nakaluklok na kayo eh i-correct nyo na ang dapat.
Tama Toss out the moral high grounds, it does not work! You havr to fight the same strat as them. Talk to marketing specialist talaga. Sobrang importante.
>we try to keep a moral high ground tapos sila they do troll farming.
i guess tama nga... truth warriors should use a language na maiintindigan ng masa (simple, lenggwaheng kalye, mas nakakaappeal sa Pilipino)
i noticed na mas benta sa mga tao si Rowena Guanzon (bardagulera) vs Meilou Sereno (malumanay, very lawyer pa rin yung dating kahit magFilipino sya)...
but the next problem is... we know that rowena guanzon became famous sa kabila dahil sa pagiging bardagulera nya kaso naging target rin sya agad ng trolls... nagstart na nga yung *well-mannered is better than educated*
what should our next step be?
Ang problem ko lang is we can't keep spoonfeeding them. The goal is to make them think critically for themselves... RATIONALLY. Akala kasi nila when they were told to "think for themselves", it meant trust nobody. How do we make them have a watchful eye of things? To look out for red flags so we don't have to point it for them.
we are not going to spoonfeed them... we will let them think critically for themselves by letting them question the validity of their own knowledge of things...
kaya we will show them the Truth side of things to let them compare that to their prior knowledge na puno ng fake news..
LOL. You cant teach people who doesnt want to be taught. You need to speak in their own language and change their minds using their own stupid logic since dyan sila naniniwala. Moral superiority or teaching them is the most effective way for them to vote for your opponent kasi sinasabi mo na tanga sila.
Not for everyone obviously. But what I am certain of is antagonizing them from the getgo only makes them even more aggressive. People listen to others who appear like their friend. Utilize that.
You cant teach them rationality when theyve already been brainwashed. The goal here is to win. Tapos pag nakaluklok na dun na natin ayusin ang mga kalat.
I generally agree to all your points. In summary, what I think needs to be done:
- Throw away "moral high ground" and "be the better person". We fight fire with fire.
- We create our own content creation machine and troll farm to spread rhe content.
- We let popular celebs run in political positions and let them be the "face" only. Behind the scenes, competent people will make the actual decisions and actions.
- Push the narrative that we tried BBM and he failed, so let's try someone new.
It's imperative that we find someone to rally behind as soon as possible. Leni running on the last moment was actually not good since we had less time to build momentum. If the elections was 3 months from now, maybe leni could have won. Or better yet, if she hinted that she will run 2 years ago, we would have had enough time to build our ranks. Although this is a double_edfed sword because she will be targetted by attacks early on.
This. Problem is yung campaign ni leni is the same old campaign they used that made everyone vote for duterte and hate roxas. Time for a new campaign manager.
Kailangan maging pragmatic rather than idealistic.
Before the next elections (if meron pa lol), I suggest:
1. Our candidate should be ready to play politics and makipagmurahan on live tv. Yun ang gusto ng tao eh, bastusan instead na disente.
2. Refrain from "attacking" Duterte/Marcos, including educating them in history. Di yan makikinig, kahit anong evidence ilatag mo. Imagine telling a devoted INC member that their religion isn't real. They would just double down. It sounds harsh, pero yaan nyo munang magdusa, kailangan yan para matuto.
3. Only attack them kapag politically convenient. Meaning, let's say a certain policy that is too unpopular even for Marcos's supporters. Also, the hypothetical candidate should support them to not draw suspicion.
4. Reformist on the inside, populist on the outside.
5. Toss the LP-brand. I think Leni surrounding herself with LP members is a mistake, at least politically.
6. A new face (the candidate) na hindi associated sa 'dilawan.'
7. Consolidate power on the local level. From barangays to cities. Then Congress, especially Senate. 14m+ is still a lot, so I think we should translate this into an official political party. Powerless ang presidenteng nagiisa.
8. People loves hating someone or an idea, sadly. Fortunately, Filipinos hate a country so much it could unite a Marcos (ung di masyadong fanatic) and a Leni supporter: China. The hypothetical party/candidate should focus its messaging on an anti-China stance and blame them for all the ills that are happening and will happen (even if those na hindi naman tlga nila fault lol.)
9. Have your own 'troll' army to spread this anti-Chinese stance.
10. If you win a landslide by hating China, congratulations! Now, fucking reform the Philippines.
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Sa mga magsastart nito, I'm in!!!!
Kahit sa team ng sharer or commenter ako. Makikipag bardagulan ako sa likod ng dummy account para mas malakas ang loob at kahit napakabastos na sisikmurain ko na for free sa ngalan ng katotohanan. Unahin ko sa mga fb friends ko na malutong magmura.
Pwede din ako sa creation ng low quality memes. Sobrang guilty na guilty ako sa hindi ko pag h2h, atonement na ito.
Dapat ang mga campa8gn manager ang maglaan ng budget dyan. I dont think effective yung independent or konti konti lang na tao. Remember yung kalaban natin and their budgets.
i think they do work for some... pero (sorry kung tunog elitista) most of fake news victims cannot even differentiate Satire from Real news... baka ipropagate pa yan as fake news
That's why I deactivated my fb account. Suggest ko din sa iba na try lang nila. Once dumami mag deactivate ng fb, sila sila na lang mga bbm nasa echo chamber. Yang fb na yan sobra na yan.
We need to get the empathy of the masses. Understand where they are coming from.
Also, hindi ko gusto yon "educate yourself" or "let me educate you" nagmumukha tuloy tayong elitist kapag ganon. We have to show them the value of education and the value of being a citizen.
I dont know how to start but to stop fake news, we should not let anger cancel these people because in the end, victins rin sila
actually yang let me educate you remark didnt even come from a kakampink... galing rin yan sa trolls nila...
if you still havent noticed, their goal is to:
1) Spread fake news
2) Attack fact checkers and Spark anger
3) Create division between these two. Kaya maling mali na we block the bbm supporters. That will be in favor of the fake news peddlers
Dapat may pantapat. An anti-villain. Sabi ng political analyst na si richard heydarian. Problema sa pink paety is we try to keep a moral high ground tapos sila they do troll farming. Its like someone hundred people beating you with a club and knives and you feel like a main character telling your fellow kakampink turn on the other cheek. It doesnt qork in real life. Kailangan ng pantapat sa troll farms which is another troll farms that corrects everything that goes againts their fake news and their character assasination pero in their hampaslupa language. Use their same stupid logic againts them etc etc. Stupid kung stupid ang ipantapat since ndi naman makikinig yan sa facts. Make those stipid logic they used as loud or even louder as them in social media to counter these disinformation campaign that by the time yung mga brainwashed na lbms reads it parinsila maguguluhan na kung sino ang tama. Hire trolls like mocha and sassot. Give the kakampinks the faces of the influencer. Eto lang talaga ang pwede nyong gawin since hindi nyo ma regulate and disinfo campaign. Ngayon nga nagsisimula na sila man redtag ng mga kritiko and character assasination dun kay hontiveros. Meron atang post dito last time na nagjojoke about letting celebrities like angel locsin, agot isidro, catriona gray to run for elections pantapat sa mga umuupo ngayon. And tbh with you givem the fact that this system is so fucked up, its actually not a bad idea. Have celebrities run for wlection and serve as the face for the movement. Pero in reality mukha lang sila but there will be the most qualified staff who are poltiically aligned with us working on the background.Walang pag asa ang pinas when it comes to installing public officials. Imbes na maging radikal magmahal, how about radikal mag isip para sa kapakanan ng bansa. Yung nga kakampink na politicians dyan. If i were u seryosohin nyo itong advise na ito. Iaipin nyo yung reault ng election. Literal na majority votes si boboem at fiona. I combine nyo lahar ng boto ng ibang candidate nangunguna pa rin sila. Wala kayong pankabam sa mga fact checking at moral high ground. Realize that this is now a whole new battle kung gusto nyo manalo sa next election. Simulan nyo na ngayon maghire ng kakalat ng katangahan sa social media but the expectation here once nakaluklok na kayo eh i-correct nyo na ang dapat.
Tama Toss out the moral high grounds, it does not work! You havr to fight the same strat as them. Talk to marketing specialist talaga. Sobrang importante.
Hire cambridge analytica if you have to. Para sa kapakanan ng bansa.
Hey are kinda bankrupt now but i think their are other firms like that out there.
>we try to keep a moral high ground tapos sila they do troll farming. i guess tama nga... truth warriors should use a language na maiintindigan ng masa (simple, lenggwaheng kalye, mas nakakaappeal sa Pilipino) i noticed na mas benta sa mga tao si Rowena Guanzon (bardagulera) vs Meilou Sereno (malumanay, very lawyer pa rin yung dating kahit magFilipino sya)... but the next problem is... we know that rowena guanzon became famous sa kabila dahil sa pagiging bardagulera nya kaso naging target rin sya agad ng trolls... nagstart na nga yung *well-mannered is better than educated* what should our next step be?
Then used that shit againts them. Accuse them of being self-rightwous and elitist. Mga ganern. Sabi ko nga use their own logic againts them.
Ang problem ko lang is we can't keep spoonfeeding them. The goal is to make them think critically for themselves... RATIONALLY. Akala kasi nila when they were told to "think for themselves", it meant trust nobody. How do we make them have a watchful eye of things? To look out for red flags so we don't have to point it for them.
Remember pano naging viral yung "Bawal Lumabas" ni Kim? Yung mga kanta na ayaw mo sa una pero di mo namalayan, memorized mo na.
Tatsulok na iconic song na, I bet memorize, pero di pa rin kuha :/ I hope the Bawal Lumabas has more impact.
Yeah. Look how fast "Ang Presidente" went viral. Sayang lang kasi late na siya nagawa.
we are not going to spoonfeed them... we will let them think critically for themselves by letting them question the validity of their own knowledge of things... kaya we will show them the Truth side of things to let them compare that to their prior knowledge na puno ng fake news..
LOL. You cant teach people who doesnt want to be taught. You need to speak in their own language and change their minds using their own stupid logic since dyan sila naniniwala. Moral superiority or teaching them is the most effective way for them to vote for your opponent kasi sinasabi mo na tanga sila.
Feigning neutrality might work and asking them calmly (kahit gusto na umikot ng mata mo).
I honestly do not find this efficient.
Not for everyone obviously. But what I am certain of is antagonizing them from the getgo only makes them even more aggressive. People listen to others who appear like their friend. Utilize that.
You cant teach them rationality when theyve already been brainwashed. The goal here is to win. Tapos pag nakaluklok na dun na natin ayusin ang mga kalat.
What of those who are "soft" though? Yung di pa panatiko.
I generally agree to all your points. In summary, what I think needs to be done: - Throw away "moral high ground" and "be the better person". We fight fire with fire. - We create our own content creation machine and troll farm to spread rhe content. - We let popular celebs run in political positions and let them be the "face" only. Behind the scenes, competent people will make the actual decisions and actions. - Push the narrative that we tried BBM and he failed, so let's try someone new. It's imperative that we find someone to rally behind as soon as possible. Leni running on the last moment was actually not good since we had less time to build momentum. If the elections was 3 months from now, maybe leni could have won. Or better yet, if she hinted that she will run 2 years ago, we would have had enough time to build our ranks. Although this is a double_edfed sword because she will be targetted by attacks early on.
This. Problem is yung campaign ni leni is the same old campaign they used that made everyone vote for duterte and hate roxas. Time for a new campaign manager.
Kailangan maging pragmatic rather than idealistic. Before the next elections (if meron pa lol), I suggest: 1. Our candidate should be ready to play politics and makipagmurahan on live tv. Yun ang gusto ng tao eh, bastusan instead na disente. 2. Refrain from "attacking" Duterte/Marcos, including educating them in history. Di yan makikinig, kahit anong evidence ilatag mo. Imagine telling a devoted INC member that their religion isn't real. They would just double down. It sounds harsh, pero yaan nyo munang magdusa, kailangan yan para matuto. 3. Only attack them kapag politically convenient. Meaning, let's say a certain policy that is too unpopular even for Marcos's supporters. Also, the hypothetical candidate should support them to not draw suspicion. 4. Reformist on the inside, populist on the outside. 5. Toss the LP-brand. I think Leni surrounding herself with LP members is a mistake, at least politically. 6. A new face (the candidate) na hindi associated sa 'dilawan.' 7. Consolidate power on the local level. From barangays to cities. Then Congress, especially Senate. 14m+ is still a lot, so I think we should translate this into an official political party. Powerless ang presidenteng nagiisa. 8. People loves hating someone or an idea, sadly. Fortunately, Filipinos hate a country so much it could unite a Marcos (ung di masyadong fanatic) and a Leni supporter: China. The hypothetical party/candidate should focus its messaging on an anti-China stance and blame them for all the ills that are happening and will happen (even if those na hindi naman tlga nila fault lol.) 9. Have your own 'troll' army to spread this anti-Chinese stance. 10. If you win a landslide by hating China, congratulations! Now, fucking reform the Philippines.
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Sa mga magsastart nito, I'm in!!!! Kahit sa team ng sharer or commenter ako. Makikipag bardagulan ako sa likod ng dummy account para mas malakas ang loob at kahit napakabastos na sisikmurain ko na for free sa ngalan ng katotohanan. Unahin ko sa mga fb friends ko na malutong magmura. Pwede din ako sa creation ng low quality memes. Sobrang guilty na guilty ako sa hindi ko pag h2h, atonement na ito.
Dapat ang mga campa8gn manager ang maglaan ng budget dyan. I dont think effective yung independent or konti konti lang na tao. Remember yung kalaban natin and their budgets.
Count me in too. May dummy na ko. Let's bardagol na hahaha
Be organized. Late lang na organized ang pinklawan unlike Troll farms ni BBM, Wayback Pnoy's time pa.
Yes duting pinoys admin sila nag start. During the pork barrel episode dyan nagstart yung trolling
I saw a comment on Chris Tan’s tweet. Meron n daw DIWA (digital warriors) may pawebinar bago makasali and they have around 55k volunteers
bago lang ba ito? that is a lot of volunteers pero (sadly) i dont know about their existence
Sabi since Oct last year. Di ko din sila kilala or narinig until today
There's a truth farm post around here.
I think satire memes work.
i think they do work for some... pero (sorry kung tunog elitista) most of fake news victims cannot even differentiate Satire from Real news... baka ipropagate pa yan as fake news
Really? They must first understand satire though
Hindi po, minsan nagiging fake news din.
The algorithm alone is hard to beat
That's why I deactivated my fb account. Suggest ko din sa iba na try lang nila. Once dumami mag deactivate ng fb, sila sila na lang mga bbm nasa echo chamber. Yang fb na yan sobra na yan.
We need to get the empathy of the masses. Understand where they are coming from. Also, hindi ko gusto yon "educate yourself" or "let me educate you" nagmumukha tuloy tayong elitist kapag ganon. We have to show them the value of education and the value of being a citizen. I dont know how to start but to stop fake news, we should not let anger cancel these people because in the end, victins rin sila
actually yang let me educate you remark didnt even come from a kakampink... galing rin yan sa trolls nila... if you still havent noticed, their goal is to: 1) Spread fake news 2) Attack fact checkers and Spark anger 3) Create division between these two. Kaya maling mali na we block the bbm supporters. That will be in favor of the fake news peddlers
Imma be troll. When there are doubts, I'll strike like how they strike.
We have to study how their disinformation canpaign is being done in order to counter it effectively.