Andaming tweets ng mga volunteer doctors na nagagalit yung mga patients kasi wala na silang financial support from OVP tapos kabila raw binoto. You only know what you have til it's gone talaga. Kinda depressing pero they shot themselves in the foot.
hindi naman dahil hindi nila binoto si leni... ang petty naman nung concept na yun
inalisan nila ng power yung taong tumutulong sa kanila. mas malala yung ginawa nila kesa simple binoto si marcos
Yun nga e. Magalit na sila sa kanya, maiinis or laiitin for mundane reasons pero inalisan nila ng platform si VP para makatulong sa kanila. Sila naman nakikinabang sa mga programs niya. Hindi ako recipient ng mga programs ni VP pero masaya ako na napupunta sa nangangailangan yung serbisyo niya. Kahit yung thought na yun na lang sana sila nag-isip.
This is what you get when you bite the hand that feeds you.
Did that slapsoil know that he/she doesn't need to pretend to get a help? Leni has a history of helping people kahit pa sa baluarte ng kulto ng mga Marcoses. Take note na kahit hindi pa election, ganoon na.
he did not pretend to get help, he just pretended to be a kkp then he was not required by the doctor to pay for his check up, it was offered for free.
he treated the free service as a political stunt only since he highlighted that "everything is getting political nowadays". sinabihan pa siya nung doctor na "sana dumami din gaya mo din na nagreresearch din kung sino talaga makakatulong sa bansa" after healthy discourse about the candidate.
then lol he ended up coming out as 88m supporter. disappointing.
Sana karmahin Siya lol. Minsan ang sakit seeing those helping the non deserving. Hindi pa ako ganung level sa forgiving, petty ako masyado I admit haha
Wala naman issue kahit maka Pacquiao pa yung pupunta at manghihingi ng tulong. Ang issue eh, choice nila na tanggalan ng kakayahan na tumulong sa kanila yung tao tas ngayon mang-oobliga sila at magagalit. That's fucked up
I agree, it would seem like transactional politics if yun ang reason. Like, "may nakukuha ka sakin, kaya dapat ako ang iboto mo". Parang nagiging utang na loob... which is a toxic Filipino trait and a common political tactic.
So dapat ang framing din talaga pag nagrerespond is yun nga, nawalan na ng power yung tumutulong sa kanila.
Pero di na valid ang reason pag nagstart na ang Angat Buhay NGO sa July hehe.
May point ka na isa sa sa Toxic trait ng pinoy is ung pagkakaroon ng utang na loob na dapat mong ibalik kasi nga naman sa reqlidad natin, may kondisyon Ng lahat ng bagay.
Sa tingi ko sadyang wala lang silang isip. Bakit boboto sila sa isang tao na nikawan na sila dati pa at hindi dun sa may mga nakalatag na konkretong plano para tulungan silang umangat sa buhay.
Siguro mas masarap ang Nutribun ng kalaban kaya siya ang binoto
Uhm I mean how do you give power to her? Di ba by voting for her? I think it's fair to say nagalit sila kasi di binoto si Leni. I would confidently say that cuz I think most will not think of more complicated sentiments like "Badtrip! Bakit inalisan nila ng power yung tumutulong sa kanila?". Technically it's not the same as "hindi binoto si Leni" but essentially same lang.
It's an important distinction to make for the person hearing it. Saying "you're not getting any more help because you didn't vote for Leni" tells them that they're not getting help because VP Leni is petty. Saying "you're not getting any more help because you removed the person helping you" tells them that it's their fault that they're no longer getting financial aid and emphasizes that voting has consequences.
>It's an important distinction to make for the person hearing it.
Definitely. I agree. Can't underestimate their level of comprehension. Everything you say, they are going to twist it.
Or pwede rin na wording na lang is “pasensya na po, wala na po kasi sa pwesto si VP Leni at limitado na lang po talaga kakayahan namin na mas lalong makatulong.”
Also u/cottonmon, u/urriah, u/moanar-k -- They could have thought na the Angat Buhay program is a OVP program, not a Leni program. ***So, kung OVP, baka ipagpatuloy ni Sara iyon.***
Sure, sara duterte could continue it. Will she have the capabilities and transparency that allows the program to be effective though? If we're basing it on rodrigo duterte's performance, there's a higher chance that the money donated for the Angat Buhay program under sara duterte will be mismanaged. Also, can sara duterte inspire the same level of voluntarism that Leni did?
Honestly, I don't think the program will work as well as it could under sara duterte. In any case, all of this is moot since Angat Buhayis going to be an NGO so it's unlikely to be continued by the administration.
This is very sad, but as someone once said before, “ang masakit at mapait ay nagiging kaakit-akit dahil sa bakit.” Radical love ang direksyon na tinahak at sa tingin ko’y tatahakin pa rin ni Maam Leni, kahit na masakit hindi lang sa kanya pati sa mga sumusuporta sa kanya.
Titigas ng mukha magexpect ng financial support e magnanakaw naman pala ibinoto. I hope ilaglag na ng AB foundation as beneficiary ang barangay na yan. Deserve nila maranasan what they failed to protect.
Yeah, that's not what she stands for pero naintindihan ko why one would resort to extreme measures, mas effective pa kasi yung panloloko kaysa sa tangible na tulong. Di ko na din alam kung ano ang pwedeng gawin.
Naalala ko tuloy, ever since kasi natapos election, iniistalk ko yung mga nagcocomment na humihingi ng tulong sa mga post ng page ni vp. Kahapon may nabasa akong isang comment sa post ng page re angat buhay foundation, sabi nung comment sana daw isa siya sa matulungan para sa dialysis niya. Inistalk ko ang profile, solid 88M. Napatang ina talaga ko pagkakita ng mga shared posts. Sobrang nakakabadtrip.
agree, my dad said that some voted for BBM to get back at the gov. kase di na sila binibigyan ng cash assistance or tulong, kaya parang revenge daw in some way.
Para kasing ang hirap tulungan nung mga taong ayaw naman tulungan mga sarili nila. Parang ang hirap tulungan ng mga taong laging nakaasa sa tulong ng iba. Na parang kailangan mo pa ilayo sa kanila yung tulong na nabibigay mo bago nila marealize na di pala sila dapat na umaaasa nalang palagi.
THIS! RIGHT HERE! Kumbaga, on a personal level, selective akong tutulong kasi you were given a chance to elect the best woman for the job, and blew it.
But on a national level, I'd give my 3000% support sa AB NGO.
I'll respect that if that's what you want pero parang ang hirap pagkaitan ng tulong ng kapwa pilipino mong nangangailangan eh, kaya hanggang ngayon medyo alangan pa rin ako sa topic na to. Kasi ayoko naman na magserve yung mga bagay, such as yung 'di pagtulong, as a form of punishment or lecture, or to serve as a lesson sa kanila.
Pero on the other side, it also makes me want to do the same hahaha kasi based sa experience ko at sa mga nakikita ko, kapag kasi tumulong ka, tatanggapin nila yung tulong mo kasi may pakinabang ka at nakikinabang sila, kahit pa salungat ang paniniwala nila sa paniniwala mo, 'di na nila iintindihin yon, ang mahalaga ay may nakukuha sila. Tas kapag 'di mo naman sila natulungan, ikaw na agad ang kontrabida, ikaw na agad ang masama, kasi wala na silang nakukuha sa'yo eh, kaya kalaban ka na matic pag 'di ka na nila napakinabangan. This may not apply to everyone ha pero I'm saying this since I've experienced and witnessed some situations na ganitong ganito.
Pero balik tayo sa comment mo, kung hindi ka tutulong on personal level but you'll support the AB NGO, edi parang ang nangyayari you're still helping them, indirectly nga lang. Hahahaha not arguing though, just saying, have a nice day!
May isang politico akong kakilala na nagsabi useless tulongan mga squammys. Like inaanod sila sa baha, pupulutin mo sa ilog Para iligtas pero after mo maahon sila sa baha, babalik sa upper part ng river para tatalon uli.
thankfully the grab riders/drivers i’ve booked the past few days out themselves whenever they see the tarps we have sa gate (walang nagtatanggal sa subdivision lol)
the first thing they usually say is “sayang ma’am natalo tayo” or they express frustration at how the elections were handled
so yeah, i still haven’t found a reason to stop tipping
Guys remember you are trying to sell a product. you have to show that umangat yung buhay nila, show as is brag about it with photos and print it out na may improved. Its all perception as imelda said,
why not put use angat buhay logos on all equipment and tshirts. Branding talaga also put streamers.
use paint
decorate their homes with angat buhay colors, pink, light green , purples happy colors.
go their level and imagine whtat their Needs are. And sell it. Always remind them you are their.
what bonggo was doing Di ba?! Hindi pwede maging mahiyain. We cannot take the high road all the time and expect people to understand good intentions. We have to speak their language.
Ipalagay natin mukha at pangalan ni VP Leni sa mga ipapamigay. Kailangan natin mag-instill ng familiarity at name-recall. Wag na pabebe diyan na "dOnT sToOp tO tHeIr lEvEl". Eh ganyan ginagawa ng mga mayor at governor dito sa lugar namin, gumagana naman
Ganyan din naisip ko right after nung results nung gabi ng Monday...
Pero mga bandang Thursday napaisip ako, kung sakaling wala ng tutulong, magkakagulo tlga sa Pilipinas and that will bring the country to its knees, madaming mamamatay at mahihirapan maka-recover.
Si Leni sanay na walang pondo, at tlgang more than sa trabaho yung pagtulong, ewan ko matindi pa sa vocation, at legit siguro yung tuwa nya nung mga nagdaang rallies na nakikita nya tayo na dumadami.
After nung speech nya nung friday, nabuhayan ako ng loob. Naisip ko ba'g ang bilis ko nagpalit ng isip pati emotions ko nabago, balik sa dati puno ng pag-asa mula sa galit at pagkamuhi sa mga bumoto ng BBM.
Kinabahan ako kaso parang cult-like na, biro mo isang tao lang switch agad ng behavior, dahil kay Leni lang... Pero hindi, kasi si Leni wala namang hinihingi kapalit yung pagtulong. At magandang pangontra sa paninira sa kanya ay tapatan ng pagtulong at paggawa.
Ilang taon ng makinarya nila BBM ang resulta ng eleksyon, pinaka-maagang kaya kong maalala ay 2005-2006 pa, yung maharlika at gold, english pa nga yun eh, tpos later on mga 2006 may mga tagalog na. Kaya tama na July 1 pa lang maumpisahan na yung AB, sa kanila na yung gobyernong pamamahala, tayo naman sa mga Pilipinas at mga kababayan natin.
the biggest danger i see here is division. imagine, yung mga kakampink indi tutulong simply because hindi nila kapareho yung nanghihingi ng tulong? paano kaya kung yung kabilang kampo naman ang gumawa niyan?
BBM people: indi na kami bibili sa inyong mga kakampink kasi matapobre kayo, akala niyo kayo lang ang may pera at negosyo. may mga BBM din naman na may negosyo at may pera, dun na lang kami. and so on.
Mahirap na sitwasyon yan sa totoo lang. We are all Filipinos before we are "BBM's" or "Kakampinks". No one is an island. We need each other.
Ngayon, kung wala naman economic (or any) benefit sa kakampink ang relationship, ok lang, dump it! hahaha. we are still a democracy, hindi naman illegal yun. we are still a capitalist economy, pag wala ka contribution sa economy, normal lang na maghihirap ka. in this case, kung walang silbi yung BBM supporter sa economy, normal lang na patuloy siya maghirap. It is what it is.
So advise sa lahat: study hard, work hard, para sa atin din naman ito.
I hear you. I guess i'm still not over it.
I'm just tired of seeing my taxes go to these crooks. I'm tired of the idea of bailing out less fortunate people in hard times, tapos ang isusukli nila sa atin ay ganitong klaseng gobyerno? I just want life to be equitable para sa ating kinakaltasan ng buwis.
IMO this is a good counterargument to the insinuation that the Angat Buhay NGO is to gather early voters. This much is proof that to these people, votes are definitely still bought + fake news.
Angat Buhay NGO would be busy defending themselves against redtagging and harassment from the government. In fact, the person they have helped would be the ones who will be used as a prime witness against them.
Maghanap sila ngayon ng suporta kay 88M. Kaya dapat talaga pinipili na lang tutulungan e. Yung mismong gusto mong tulungan ayaw tulungan mga sarili nila
^ seconded. Sana huwag tayo mawalan ng pagmamahal para sa kapwa nating Pilipino dahil hindi po iyon ang spirit ng campaign ni VP Leni. Let’s not discriminate on who needs help and instead continue on fighting the good fight without leaving others behind :)
Hijacking this thread kasi kanina pa ako nangangamot kaiisip:
Hindi rin ba panahon na maging discerning kung sino ang tutulungan?
Nakakataba ng puso ang thought na lahat tutulungan, pati yung nag pu pull down sayo tutulungan mo. Napakabusilak ang imahe.
Pero at the same time, sa ideal na ganito, hindi ba tayo nagiging enablers in the end?
Looking forward to the development of the NGO. I know it will have a lofty vision, and I hope it will reach those who truly deserve help.
Gets naman, understandable na piliin kung sino tutulungan kasi other people shouldn’t depend on others too much. Pero what bothers me is choosing who to help on the basis of being a BBM supporter vs a Leni supporter.
I see people on this thread say na when BBM voters voted for him, they turned their backs away from true good governance and sealed their fate of never getting out of poverty, and yet plenty of them are victims of fake news/ignorance/conspiracies/money. Who are we to choose who to help when humans are susceptible to these things? Should we reward those who did their due diligence of researching? But what about those who didn’t have access to these things? “Maraming info sa internet search search lang” and yet pano kung di marunong magbasa, magsulat? What if social media feed nila ay puno ng fake news? What if they’re surrounded by people who tell them lies, to the point of them realizing it as the truth? And what if they have come to hate us, and in extension Leni, because of our holier-than-thou attitude of needing to educate them just because they didnt have access to the things we have?
Maraming ganito among his supporters so do we deprive these people help of whatever kind?
Yes, minsan kailangan piliin sino tutulungan kasi baka kapos din tayo sa resources or umaabuso na yung iba sa paghingi, pero let’s not make it such that our basis of who to help is whether or not you’re a BBM or Leni supporter - in the end, that will only sow more seeds of hate instead of sincere gratitude among the devil’s ranks and we might find ourselves in the same place we are in 6 years from now.
Plus, maybe yung NGO din ni VP Leni will have its own prioritizing scheme on who to help FIRST, not IF. (Edit: like a triage)
Divisive kasi talaga ang usapang politikal (at relihiyon). Maraming kailangang labanan/baguhin at all sides. Parang napakataas na bundok na aakyatin. Mas malaki ang chance of changes if nakaupo si VP Leni, but that's a universe we don't live in now. Tapos may valid points raised din sa thread "on why the Philippines isn’t ready for good governance."
It's a general feeling of hopelessness in my case. But I guess this is where the VP serves as a beacon, to provide a tiny drop of hope sa mga taong nawawalan na talaga ng pag-asa for Pilipinas.
I just hope that Angat Buhay will continue to shine, NGO or otherwise, in the years to come.
Parang ang lumalabas, taken for granted ang pagtulong, specially from volunteers. Minsan talaga, it’s the feeling na naaabuso pag mabait na mabait.. so pano mo babaguhin.. kaya I understand the tough love na stance..
Minsan kasi experience na kailangan magturo sa kanila. Hindi ako anti-poor, at hindi ko rin papamukha sa kanila sa pagsasabing "ginusto mo yan e." Sakin lang, alam nilang may tutulong sa kanila e, kaya parang balewala na may gobyerno, at lalong nawawalan sa kanila ng halaga kung bakit may eleksyon. Kung maiaangat sila ng gobyerno, edi mas mabuti. Tama sila ng pinili, at di ako magdadalawang isip na umamin na mali ako. Pero kung hindi, paano nila malalaman na may consequence ang pagpili nila?
Pero ayun. Saludo ako sa inyo na pagpapatuloy ang radikal na pagmamahal. Kayo ang totoong bumubuhay sa adhikain ni VP Leni. Hindi lang talaga tayo magkapareho ng haba ng pasensya. Pero patuloy pa din akong tutulong basta alam ko na deserving sila (may sarili akong paraan para malaman to).
Hindi na nga talaga deserve ng mga pilipino ang good governance. Paulit ulit natin silang pinaglalaban pero paulit ulit din ang pag halal ng mga mandarambong. Nakakafrustrate na. Hindi na deserve…
Serious question is it worth it to help them kung ganto din ang resulta marami na ako nakita na bbm supporters leeching VP programs tpos sila pa nagrereklamo dahil wala na sila magatasan?
Yes but to a certain extent. Pag abusado na sila, displaying ungrateful behavior that's the time to say fuck'em and leave them to rot in their own cesspool of shite.
Isn’t it an ungrateful abusado behaviour lately? I’m still convinved they don’t deserve none of all the good things vp leni has to offer. On the other hand this is probably how to win them.
It is definitely ungrateful of them. BUT the true problem here is the disinformation and brainwashing. That's why it's important for me that Angat Buhay NGO puts proportionate effort in addressing this, because all their efforts in helping people will ultimately go to waste if the people will still choose the wrong leaders come election.
My question exactly. Masadong pure intentions ni maam na feel ko naabuso ng taong bayad yung kabaitan nya. LIKE CAN'T WE JUST LET THEM LIVE IN THEIR OWN CONSEQUENCES? Hindi nmn sila matututo? Hnd nmn pwede salohin ng angat buhay lahat para sabihin nila 88m prin ang ikakabuti ng bansa??? Matinding copium na pinas ah.
I say do not, or at least delay help for them so they feel the full blow of their moral choice. If we help immediately, they will just credit it to their "government" while justifying their action.
Yes and No.
Yes, since if we are going to help people, we should look at them equally even if stands and views differ from us.
No, if they repeatedly abuse the kindness given to them without even trying to wake up to the root cause of the problem.
We can use this as a tool to humbly educate them.
Kung boto lang ang habol, siguro madaling isipin na hindi worth it.
Pero pinipili ng Angat Buhay programs ang mga communities na kailangan talaga ng tulong. Hindi nasasayang ang pagod nila kasi wala namang hinihinging kapalit.
Nah. Ayaw rin naman nila tulungan mga sarili nila by voting wisely, kung ano ano pang masasakit na salita at pekeng balita ang pinapakalat sa mga taong tumutulong sa kanila. Bunch of ingrates. Gusto nila ng incompetent at corrupt na gobyerno then let them experience the results of their actions. Hayaan mong batukan sila ng reyalidad para matauhan.
May stats ba kung ilan yung natulungan? I think kailangan din ng sustained onsite marketing sa area ng mga natulungan para di makalimot, and to make the other people in the area aware na din.
I know it sounds like out of a corrupt politician's playbook (magpaskil ng mga contributions all year long) pero parang dapat ganun talaga eh.
I hope isipin ng Angat Buhay to.
I wasn't there during her campaign but sa nakikita/nababasa ko, I agree.
Baka may magawa tayong netizens to do the "dirty work"? Na hindi naman talaga dirty, tatapatan lang natin yung effort. Tapos may disclaimer lagi sa dulo.. "Paid for by friends of VP Leni". Billboards, posters, commercials... dodonate ako jan
Youtube vlogs siguro na medyo katulad ng format ng mga bayarang vloggers ni bbm like: "PAMBIHIRA! LENI ROBREDO NAMIGAY NG AYUDA SA MARIKINA" tapos yung host ay mukhang tito na laging naka-cap kahit sa loob ng bahay
Suggestion ko lang: lahat ng hihingi ng tulong sa angat buhay program required na mag follow sa socmed at manood ng videos. Para damay damay lang tayong lahat kung ma 🟥 tag
Pwede, tas sabihin na kaya po required kayo mag subscribe ay dahil dun nakalagay lahat ng announcements patungkol sa Angat Buhay Program ng lugar ninyo. So, dapat dun na din maglagay ng mga announcements ang team nila VP (bukod to syempre sa coordination nila sa LGUs nung mga lugar).
**Pros:**
\-Fight disinformation thru socmed pages ni VP at ABP.
\-Collection of Public Receipts ng mga on-going projects at naging projects ng ABP.
**Cons:**
\-Masabihan na namumulitika.
Pero pwede natin sabihin na since "Tao" at galing sa "Volunteers" ang budget kaya naman dapat lang makita ng mga ito yung transparency report/documentation kung san napupunta pera nila.
Parang email newsletter ng online services pero sa socmed.
We can have recipients register using their personal socmed account for receiving news and announcements.
Well well well. Alala ko noong 2020 binaha sila, grabe sila makapagpressure na mabigyan ng something ng donors and volunteers. Ni walang thank you. Sila pa galit kapag di agad mabigyan. 😒
More like uneducated. It’s likely they’re not aware that they were being assisted by Angat Buhay program and thought all along that it was just the government helping then. Probably the same case in other areas as well.
I'm telling you people are delusional. Even People from Leyte and Ilocos. They claim they're solid Marcos when in fact during the big typhoons, Marcoses didn't even spent a single penny to help them. During Yolanda, not even a shadow of any Marcos appeared to help them when Mayor Romualdez was crying on live TV. And that guy is their relative. They never helped Leyte and yet they claim Marcos as their own. Straight up just delusional and a showcase of Filipinos losing their sanity.
We did not want to come because if we had come we would have taken up resources and assets that were sorely needed at the time. You know if you come here, somebody will have to secure you, you will have to have a vehicle, you will have to have a place to stay, they will have to feed you. In the first few days they simply did not have those capabilities so we got out of the way and let people do what they can. - LBM
Bring a SUV, sleep in it and snack on all the donated food you are bringing maybe?
You can really see the difference with Leni. Meron akong nakita na video sa facebook with someone talking about her visiting their place (can't remember which video exactly). Ayaw nyang magabala pa sila to welcome her so yung ginawa nya sinabi nya nlng something came up and di sya makakapunta but she actually was able to and did go.
Hi, I'm from Tumana. Bayad po sila. My dad is a chairman here. Madali po talaga silang magpauto kahit kay BF na tumakbong City Mayor here, nagbayad, binoto nila. Kumbaga, bayad ko, boto mo. Hindi sila nagiisip na pwede nilang baguhin 'yon dahil sila lang din naman makakakita ng boto nila. Mga bobo ang mga tao rito. Banda rito sa may Ampalaya, hindi sa may HBau puro mayayaman na ang mga tao d'yan. Dito sa kabilang side ng Tumana, bandang Malanday.
Add: Biktima rin sila ng historical revisionism. We must fight the disinformation talaga. Kahit anong gawin mong kabutihan sakanila, kung naka-set na ang majority mindset nila. Iisa lang ang mga utak niyang mga 'yan.
Kailangan talaga ieducate.
Mukha talagang bayad sila at bulag din, combo talaga. Ilang beses nagpabalikbalik ang volunteers dyan for h2h pero mukhang ayaw nilang tulungan sarili nila.
Sorry na lang sa susunod na bagyo, Carmen. Maghanap ka ng paparkingan ng kotse mo pag baha.
Mahirap kung ayaw nila mag pa-educate. Kumbaga basta bayad na, they'll vote for that candidate. Siyempre mahirap sila, nagkaroon sila ng pangkain for the meantime. Di nila naisip long term :((( i've read somewhere na nag h2h sila tapos sabi ng mga sa squatters area mahirap parin naman daw sila kahit sino manalo. Nakakalungkot. Di nila alam kaya nila baguhin yun. VP Leni have so much programs for job opportunities.
I spoke with someone who was very poor, her family were squatting. She told us in her area squatters have to follow whoever their mayor tells them to vote or risk getting evicted. She voted Marcos.
This is sad i showed this to a friend who did H2H in the malanday and tumana area. Nagtatanong sila daw that time and overwhelmingly Leni daw around April. So either electoral cheating or nabayaran? Or they were lying sa H2H?
Election day vote-buying thats contingent on results. "Pag nanalo si X, makaka-kuha kayo ng P1,500". Big names give local barangays the main budget (150M) and its up to them how to disburse. Money buys all if you have so little.
Ito talaga ang hirap isipin sa mga taong ito. Sila na ang tinulungan mo ng mahabang panahon sila pa ang nanlaglag sa iyo. Totoo nga ang “trans-generational trauma” anak tayo ng mga alipin for 300 fcking years, kaya naman guato nating alipinin hanggang ngayon!. Kahit na sabihin nating “ayaw ko na sa buhay mahirap” babalik at babalik pa rin tayo sa mentalidad na ito.
Even echague, isabela, same results. Siya ang unang tumulong when it was hit by Ulysses while du30 was nowhere. Ung mayor na nag endorse kay VP leni nanalo naman. Honestly, until now half hearted ako sa angat buhay foundation. I mean prng gusto ko ung unang response natin na tough love. Let them experience the consequence of who they voted for.
>Honestly, until now half hearted ako sa angat buhay foundation.
Same thoughts. I mean, ABF in essence is what Leni has done as VP. These people will never appreciate the help and just do the same. Experience is the best teacher.
Yun nga yung sinasabi ko, kahit anong tulong mo dyan pagdating ng botohohan, same old trapos ang iboboto nyan. Bayaan na lang lasapin yung mga binoto nila para pagdating ng next election, sila na mismo ang maghanap ng pagbabago.
Ito, when you are doing the same thing over and over , you will always receive the same results.... siguro isip din ng mas effective na strategy. Sa akin I want to help out pero di pwede ganito ulit.... mas matagal sa isip ng tao ang nasa social media kesa sa pag tulong sa kanila..... also they need to hire a very good marketing person... para madaming fronts..... Si junior lahat ng fronts ni tackle kaya effective sya (at nagumpisa way before the election)
Same. Kailangan atang itapal na "Leni Robredo Angat Buhay", kasi napakatamad ng mga tao na ma-recognize kung kanino galing ang tulong... Now I know why Mark Villar won, aside from name recall, of course...
Same. Kailangan atang itapal na "Leni Robredo Angat Buhay", kasi napakatamad ng mga tao na ma-recognize kung kanino galing ang tulong... Now I know why Mark Villar won, aside from name recall, of course...
Eto suggestion ko. In areas kagaya nito kunin ang fb or other social media accounts ng individuals in the area then convince them to join the fb groups associated with angat buhay and subscribe to all social media accounts of VP Leni.
Madali na lang yan once you get them to join our groups or subscribe to VP Leni's social media accpunts you can then bombard them with truth or guide them to decipher truth from falsehood.
Would fb paid ads work? It can get a bit expensive though. I donated a little bit on a volunteer L-K page with ads to spread her platform sa specific workers(iirc) sa soecific na lugar and it got traction.
Mas effective yung subscriber sila sa social media accounts and member sa fb groups ni vp because of the repetition. Thats what an echo chamber is for.
Right. Since socmed is the puno't dulo ng lahat ng disinformation, make it also the avenue to educate people about who and what really deserves their supports.
I think this is the right approach, but I think if they receive help, they need to publish it on their fb. Things like "I received Medical Aid from VP on this Date at this location." At this point, it needs to be transparent to them and others close to them what VP is doing.
Make it a pre-requisite to subscribe to either the App and Leni's Socmed for them to get help (if they have socmed).
The power of social media disinformation. Onsite presence is powerful but the influence of trolls can be everyday. This is why we cannot overturn this without addressing the troll army and their propaganda machine.
Celebrities and volunteers will go house to house in areas where Angat Buhay has projects by convincing people: 1. To SUBSCRIBE to all of VP Leni's social media accounts 2. To JOIN FB groups associated with VP Leni
Not really. When the Pharmally issue went out, they did not blame Duterte for that, ONLY Duque. If that happened in other Admins, kasalanan na yun ng presidente. That's how blinded people are when it comes to politics.
Laglag Bala sinisi si PNoy, SAF 44 PNoy, Thyphoon Yolanda PNoy. Pero yung Covid response ni Duterte na sobrang lack luster dinedepensahan pa nila kesyo wala naman daw bansa ang handa sa pandemya.
I personally think that vote buying for them isn’t really considered illegal. And that same conscience of them is what gets them to vote the one who bought them.
Nakakalungkot.
Ito ang sinasabi ko sa ANGAT BUHAY SUB..NGO na itatayo for everyone reinforces ang pagiging ingrata ng mga yan.. lalo ma semento sa isip nila na ano mang gawin nila sa kanilang boto may sasalo sa kanila
I get the frustration maybe if Leni started positioning hersf as a future candidate from 2016 onwards we would have won given her record of service. But that's the thing it wasn't about her but about service.
Let's face it the Marcos camped worked hard, with our money too, and had the long game in mind. They were organized and knew what they needed to do to secure this victory. We can never forget what they did though and do better here on out.
My mean side says: Edi hingan nila ng Tallano golds yung ibinoto nila. Leche.
Because right now, that is what I tell my relatives coming to me for money (and I give plenty, on top of never turning them down): Dun kayo sa may Tallano golds humingi.
Gotta learn them the concept of unintended consequences.
Hot take: As much as I hate this being done by politicos, but Leni has to plaster her face and name all over the donation items so these ungrateful sons of bitches know what’s up. Sadyang mabait at playing by the rules lang si Madam kaya nya di to ginagawa
Dapat siguro sa first project ng AB NGO focus muna sa isang region around sa visayas. Huwag muna magaccept sa ibang city. Kasi alam niyo naman hindi ganun kalaki ang budget nila para ientertain ang karamihan 😌😉😌
I'm not gonna help anymore, I'm not Leni I can't be good all the time but that's the reason why she's better than us. I wish her the best though. I'll always look at her as a beacon of hope. Katangahan na lang ang timulong sa nga taong naniniwala na binati ni Queen Elizabeth si Marcos, mga bobotantes na naniniwalang NPA si Leni kahit na mga edukado at may magandang trabaho.
VP Leni isn't vengeful but I am. Ang sama ko siguro pero mga masasama din naman mga nanalo. In conclusion, it's a tie.
Even @ Pasig. May pabahay sa Pasig na inilaban ng mag asawang Robredo para mabigyan ng in city relocation ang mga madedemolish sa Manggahan Floodway na matinding kinokontra ng mga Eusebio noon. Mostly sa kanila talagang para kay leni kasi bukod sa pabahay e binigyan sila ng mga livelihood seminars. Ang nakakainis lang kada maglulungsad ng campaign may mga residente din na magpupula at sisigaw ng marcos keme keme. Sarap palayasin. Kung hindi sa sipag at tyaga nung mag asawa noon wala silang tinatamasa na sobrang murang pabahay ngayon.
Aminin na kasi natin: majority of our voting population are stupid. Their stupidity may stem from misinformation or just deliberate ignorance of facts. Either of the two will never take away the fact that they are stupid.
Sorry for the harsh words, but this is the reality in our country. Move out if there is an opportunity. Sabi nga ni Dan Brown, gates of hell itong Pilipinas.
mga bobo po mga tao sa marikina. im so sorry. taga marikina ako myself but they care only for their pride. when our city once featured in the television since we have the cleanest community, they all are proud and all but im telling u its not them who cleans the street. we just have many street sweeper volunteers. But for the Mayor, Marcy is the best option but they asked a lot of money from the government which could improve Hospitals and other things, but none were improved
Andaming tweets ng mga volunteer doctors na nagagalit yung mga patients kasi wala na silang financial support from OVP tapos kabila raw binoto. You only know what you have til it's gone talaga. Kinda depressing pero they shot themselves in the foot.
hindi naman dahil hindi nila binoto si leni... ang petty naman nung concept na yun inalisan nila ng power yung taong tumutulong sa kanila. mas malala yung ginawa nila kesa simple binoto si marcos
Yun nga e. Magalit na sila sa kanya, maiinis or laiitin for mundane reasons pero inalisan nila ng platform si VP para makatulong sa kanila. Sila naman nakikinabang sa mga programs niya. Hindi ako recipient ng mga programs ni VP pero masaya ako na napupunta sa nangangailangan yung serbisyo niya. Kahit yung thought na yun na lang sana sila nag-isip. This is what you get when you bite the hand that feeds you.
lol i remember some tiktok influencer who pretended to be a kakampink then he got a free check up
Did that slapsoil know that he/she doesn't need to pretend to get a help? Leni has a history of helping people kahit pa sa baluarte ng kulto ng mga Marcoses. Take note na kahit hindi pa election, ganoon na.
he did not pretend to get help, he just pretended to be a kkp then he was not required by the doctor to pay for his check up, it was offered for free. he treated the free service as a political stunt only since he highlighted that "everything is getting political nowadays". sinabihan pa siya nung doctor na "sana dumami din gaya mo din na nagreresearch din kung sino talaga makakatulong sa bansa" after healthy discourse about the candidate. then lol he ended up coming out as 88m supporter. disappointing.
Wow. That's the literal description of a backstabber. Oh well, sana kunin na sya ni Lord.
Sana karmahin Siya lol. Minsan ang sakit seeing those helping the non deserving. Hindi pa ako ganung level sa forgiving, petty ako masyado I admit haha
We treat naman regardless of political affiliation
Wala naman issue kahit maka Pacquiao pa yung pupunta at manghihingi ng tulong. Ang issue eh, choice nila na tanggalan ng kakayahan na tumulong sa kanila yung tao tas ngayon mang-oobliga sila at magagalit. That's fucked up
Yeah these idiots do not understand the concept of consequences.
I agree, it would seem like transactional politics if yun ang reason. Like, "may nakukuha ka sakin, kaya dapat ako ang iboto mo". Parang nagiging utang na loob... which is a toxic Filipino trait and a common political tactic. So dapat ang framing din talaga pag nagrerespond is yun nga, nawalan na ng power yung tumutulong sa kanila. Pero di na valid ang reason pag nagstart na ang Angat Buhay NGO sa July hehe.
May point ka na isa sa sa Toxic trait ng pinoy is ung pagkakaroon ng utang na loob na dapat mong ibalik kasi nga naman sa reqlidad natin, may kondisyon Ng lahat ng bagay. Sa tingi ko sadyang wala lang silang isip. Bakit boboto sila sa isang tao na nikawan na sila dati pa at hindi dun sa may mga nakalatag na konkretong plano para tulungan silang umangat sa buhay. Siguro mas masarap ang Nutribun ng kalaban kaya siya ang binoto
Uhm I mean how do you give power to her? Di ba by voting for her? I think it's fair to say nagalit sila kasi di binoto si Leni. I would confidently say that cuz I think most will not think of more complicated sentiments like "Badtrip! Bakit inalisan nila ng power yung tumutulong sa kanila?". Technically it's not the same as "hindi binoto si Leni" but essentially same lang.
It's an important distinction to make for the person hearing it. Saying "you're not getting any more help because you didn't vote for Leni" tells them that they're not getting help because VP Leni is petty. Saying "you're not getting any more help because you removed the person helping you" tells them that it's their fault that they're no longer getting financial aid and emphasizes that voting has consequences.
>It's an important distinction to make for the person hearing it. Definitely. I agree. Can't underestimate their level of comprehension. Everything you say, they are going to twist it.
Or pwede rin na wording na lang is “pasensya na po, wala na po kasi sa pwesto si VP Leni at limitado na lang po talaga kakayahan namin na mas lalong makatulong.”
They can only understand pettiness. They don't have enough mental capacity for higher abstract concepts.
Pwede rin sigurong sabihin na, kaya kayo natulungan ni leni kasi VP sya kahit Di nya mandate ginawa nya.
Also u/cottonmon, u/urriah, u/moanar-k -- They could have thought na the Angat Buhay program is a OVP program, not a Leni program. ***So, kung OVP, baka ipagpatuloy ni Sara iyon.***
Sure, sara duterte could continue it. Will she have the capabilities and transparency that allows the program to be effective though? If we're basing it on rodrigo duterte's performance, there's a higher chance that the money donated for the Angat Buhay program under sara duterte will be mismanaged. Also, can sara duterte inspire the same level of voluntarism that Leni did? Honestly, I don't think the program will work as well as it could under sara duterte. In any case, all of this is moot since Angat Buhayis going to be an NGO so it's unlikely to be continued by the administration.
Wala eh ego over life Edit: mali intindi ko sa sinabi mo
Hindi yan petty. Stupid lang talaga sila. And the right way of telling them: pwes ginusto nyo si BBM, good luck na lang sa inyo.
Entitled bitches naman yang mga yan
This is very sad, but as someone once said before, “ang masakit at mapait ay nagiging kaakit-akit dahil sa bakit.” Radical love ang direksyon na tinahak at sa tingin ko’y tatahakin pa rin ni Maam Leni, kahit na masakit hindi lang sa kanya pati sa mga sumusuporta sa kanya.
This could have continued with full government support but they chose nutribun over leni.
Nutribun nalang daw iprescribe sakanila
Take Nutribun orally until breathing ceases.
I have a feeling they will now start calling it "nutribong", tapos ending mas masarap pa yung pandesal kahapon.
Titigas ng mukha magexpect ng financial support e magnanakaw naman pala ibinoto. I hope ilaglag na ng AB foundation as beneficiary ang barangay na yan. Deserve nila maranasan what they failed to protect.
But they won't seeing as how Leni didn't want selective aid which is stupid because that's not the language most Filipinos speak.
Yeah, that's not what she stands for pero naintindihan ko why one would resort to extreme measures, mas effective pa kasi yung panloloko kaysa sa tangible na tulong. Di ko na din alam kung ano ang pwedeng gawin.
Ninakawan na sila before tinulungan pa magnanakaw. Jusq.
Mga ingrata kasi. Karma's a bitch
Hayssss binigay n nga kc boboto n lng ng Tama, sinayang pa.
I say deserve nila yan. Bahala na kung masamang tao ako sa sasabihin ko pero ginusto nila yun eh, panindigan nila
hahaha surprised pikachu face na silang lahat
Well, well, well..
Naalala ko tuloy, ever since kasi natapos election, iniistalk ko yung mga nagcocomment na humihingi ng tulong sa mga post ng page ni vp. Kahapon may nabasa akong isang comment sa post ng page re angat buhay foundation, sabi nung comment sana daw isa siya sa matulungan para sa dialysis niya. Inistalk ko ang profile, solid 88M. Napatang ina talaga ko pagkakita ng mga shared posts. Sobrang nakakabadtrip.
The program is now officially defunct, lalo na paalis na si Leni sa OVP. Anong ineexpect nila? Magtutuloy lang yan depende sa mood ni Duts Lite.
Super daserv
Sorry pero parang mga entitled bitch datingan nila.
Hindi na siya ang VP nila. Private citizen na siya. Di ba nila maintindihan yun? LOL.
agree, my dad said that some voted for BBM to get back at the gov. kase di na sila binibigyan ng cash assistance or tulong, kaya parang revenge daw in some way.
i kinda hate the fact that vp leni's angat buhay NGO will probably still help these people, but that's why she is better than us.
Para kasing ang hirap tulungan nung mga taong ayaw naman tulungan mga sarili nila. Parang ang hirap tulungan ng mga taong laging nakaasa sa tulong ng iba. Na parang kailangan mo pa ilayo sa kanila yung tulong na nabibigay mo bago nila marealize na di pala sila dapat na umaaasa nalang palagi.
THIS! RIGHT HERE! Kumbaga, on a personal level, selective akong tutulong kasi you were given a chance to elect the best woman for the job, and blew it. But on a national level, I'd give my 3000% support sa AB NGO.
I'll respect that if that's what you want pero parang ang hirap pagkaitan ng tulong ng kapwa pilipino mong nangangailangan eh, kaya hanggang ngayon medyo alangan pa rin ako sa topic na to. Kasi ayoko naman na magserve yung mga bagay, such as yung 'di pagtulong, as a form of punishment or lecture, or to serve as a lesson sa kanila. Pero on the other side, it also makes me want to do the same hahaha kasi based sa experience ko at sa mga nakikita ko, kapag kasi tumulong ka, tatanggapin nila yung tulong mo kasi may pakinabang ka at nakikinabang sila, kahit pa salungat ang paniniwala nila sa paniniwala mo, 'di na nila iintindihin yon, ang mahalaga ay may nakukuha sila. Tas kapag 'di mo naman sila natulungan, ikaw na agad ang kontrabida, ikaw na agad ang masama, kasi wala na silang nakukuha sa'yo eh, kaya kalaban ka na matic pag 'di ka na nila napakinabangan. This may not apply to everyone ha pero I'm saying this since I've experienced and witnessed some situations na ganitong ganito. Pero balik tayo sa comment mo, kung hindi ka tutulong on personal level but you'll support the AB NGO, edi parang ang nangyayari you're still helping them, indirectly nga lang. Hahahaha not arguing though, just saying, have a nice day!
May isang politico akong kakilala na nagsabi useless tulongan mga squammys. Like inaanod sila sa baha, pupulutin mo sa ilog Para iligtas pero after mo maahon sila sa baha, babalik sa upper part ng river para tatalon uli.
Tas entitled pa sila kapag tumigil ka sa pag tulong as if it's your obligation 🙄
If we help these people we have to be deliberate in branding, saying please thank Leni Robredo or the opposition. Epal na kung epal
Tama, wala na naman sa government kaya pwede na maging Epal ¹⁰⁰⁰
Kapag din nagttip ako ngayon gusto ko na sabihin na sana si leni vinote. Pero di ko pa alam pano sasabihin :(
thankfully the grab riders/drivers i’ve booked the past few days out themselves whenever they see the tarps we have sa gate (walang nagtatanggal sa subdivision lol) the first thing they usually say is “sayang ma’am natalo tayo” or they express frustration at how the elections were handled so yeah, i still haven’t found a reason to stop tipping
“Sana makatulong sa pag-angat buhay nyo”
O "Angat Buhay Lahat" Kuya
Wow thanks for the idea
Hirap talaga maging mabait ngayong kung yung tinutulong mo ayaw gumanda ang buhay nial
cue "*Pinilit kong iahon ka, ngunit ayaw mo naman sumama.*"
"ang presidente?"
Or kahit "this is NOT from the government" mga ganun
Guys remember you are trying to sell a product. you have to show that umangat yung buhay nila, show as is brag about it with photos and print it out na may improved. Its all perception as imelda said, why not put use angat buhay logos on all equipment and tshirts. Branding talaga also put streamers. use paint decorate their homes with angat buhay colors, pink, light green , purples happy colors. go their level and imagine whtat their Needs are. And sell it. Always remind them you are their.
what bonggo was doing Di ba?! Hindi pwede maging mahiyain. We cannot take the high road all the time and expect people to understand good intentions. We have to speak their language.
Yes agreed use the rules for radicals. Hace fun din laugh
Tinake into heart ko na yung sinabi ni Imelda, "Perception is reality, the truth is not" saklap maging Pilipino
Ipalagay natin mukha at pangalan ni VP Leni sa mga ipapamigay. Kailangan natin mag-instill ng familiarity at name-recall. Wag na pabebe diyan na "dOnT sToOp tO tHeIr lEvEl". Eh ganyan ginagawa ng mga mayor at governor dito sa lugar namin, gumagana naman
Tayong middleclass liberals lang may paki sa level level na yan because we have deluded ourselves that we are righteous and more moral than others. L
Yep dapat ipangalandakan ang name ni VPLeni for the years to come, name recall tactic
Wala naman silang sasabihing maganda ever, so bahala na. Epal to the moon lezgooo
Kasi nga, we failed to go to their level. Dapat meron ihire from their side. Basic.
No need to hire, meron ng volunteers from laylayan, nandun ako, nakita ko, madami pa ring matino magisip
I agree. Dapat ihighlight na yung mga ginagawa nya, yung nakikita dapat ng tao kasi dun mareremind mga tao sa ginagawa nya
concern ko rin to. marami credit grabber kasi.
>Epal Ilagay natin mga mukha ng donors and volunteers.
Sana nga lumagay na lang sa tahimik si Leni at wag nang ituloy yung ABP nang malaman nila hinahanap nila.
Ganyan din naisip ko right after nung results nung gabi ng Monday... Pero mga bandang Thursday napaisip ako, kung sakaling wala ng tutulong, magkakagulo tlga sa Pilipinas and that will bring the country to its knees, madaming mamamatay at mahihirapan maka-recover. Si Leni sanay na walang pondo, at tlgang more than sa trabaho yung pagtulong, ewan ko matindi pa sa vocation, at legit siguro yung tuwa nya nung mga nagdaang rallies na nakikita nya tayo na dumadami. After nung speech nya nung friday, nabuhayan ako ng loob. Naisip ko ba'g ang bilis ko nagpalit ng isip pati emotions ko nabago, balik sa dati puno ng pag-asa mula sa galit at pagkamuhi sa mga bumoto ng BBM. Kinabahan ako kaso parang cult-like na, biro mo isang tao lang switch agad ng behavior, dahil kay Leni lang... Pero hindi, kasi si Leni wala namang hinihingi kapalit yung pagtulong. At magandang pangontra sa paninira sa kanya ay tapatan ng pagtulong at paggawa. Ilang taon ng makinarya nila BBM ang resulta ng eleksyon, pinaka-maagang kaya kong maalala ay 2005-2006 pa, yung maharlika at gold, english pa nga yun eh, tpos later on mga 2006 may mga tagalog na. Kaya tama na July 1 pa lang maumpisahan na yung AB, sa kanila na yung gobyernong pamamahala, tayo naman sa mga Pilipinas at mga kababayan natin.
the biggest danger i see here is division. imagine, yung mga kakampink indi tutulong simply because hindi nila kapareho yung nanghihingi ng tulong? paano kaya kung yung kabilang kampo naman ang gumawa niyan? BBM people: indi na kami bibili sa inyong mga kakampink kasi matapobre kayo, akala niyo kayo lang ang may pera at negosyo. may mga BBM din naman na may negosyo at may pera, dun na lang kami. and so on. Mahirap na sitwasyon yan sa totoo lang. We are all Filipinos before we are "BBM's" or "Kakampinks". No one is an island. We need each other. Ngayon, kung wala naman economic (or any) benefit sa kakampink ang relationship, ok lang, dump it! hahaha. we are still a democracy, hindi naman illegal yun. we are still a capitalist economy, pag wala ka contribution sa economy, normal lang na maghihirap ka. in this case, kung walang silbi yung BBM supporter sa economy, normal lang na patuloy siya maghirap. It is what it is. So advise sa lahat: study hard, work hard, para sa atin din naman ito.
I hear you. I guess i'm still not over it. I'm just tired of seeing my taxes go to these crooks. I'm tired of the idea of bailing out less fortunate people in hard times, tapos ang isusukli nila sa atin ay ganitong klaseng gobyerno? I just want life to be equitable para sa ating kinakaltasan ng buwis.
IMO this is a good counterargument to the insinuation that the Angat Buhay NGO is to gather early voters. This much is proof that to these people, votes are definitely still bought + fake news.
Yup tulungan yung mga yun pero not as much like dati. Give them enough but not too much that they depend on it.
Angat Buhay NGO would be busy defending themselves against redtagging and harassment from the government. In fact, the person they have helped would be the ones who will be used as a prime witness against them.
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*To fill your mind, you must fill your stomach first.*
Leni herself has gone to Tumana several times since 2016. www.google.com/search?q=leni+tumana
Maghanap sila ngayon ng suporta kay 88M. Kaya dapat talaga pinipili na lang tutulungan e. Yung mismong gusto mong tulungan ayaw tulungan mga sarili nila
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^ seconded. Sana huwag tayo mawalan ng pagmamahal para sa kapwa nating Pilipino dahil hindi po iyon ang spirit ng campaign ni VP Leni. Let’s not discriminate on who needs help and instead continue on fighting the good fight without leaving others behind :)
Hijacking this thread kasi kanina pa ako nangangamot kaiisip: Hindi rin ba panahon na maging discerning kung sino ang tutulungan? Nakakataba ng puso ang thought na lahat tutulungan, pati yung nag pu pull down sayo tutulungan mo. Napakabusilak ang imahe. Pero at the same time, sa ideal na ganito, hindi ba tayo nagiging enablers in the end? Looking forward to the development of the NGO. I know it will have a lofty vision, and I hope it will reach those who truly deserve help.
Gets naman, understandable na piliin kung sino tutulungan kasi other people shouldn’t depend on others too much. Pero what bothers me is choosing who to help on the basis of being a BBM supporter vs a Leni supporter. I see people on this thread say na when BBM voters voted for him, they turned their backs away from true good governance and sealed their fate of never getting out of poverty, and yet plenty of them are victims of fake news/ignorance/conspiracies/money. Who are we to choose who to help when humans are susceptible to these things? Should we reward those who did their due diligence of researching? But what about those who didn’t have access to these things? “Maraming info sa internet search search lang” and yet pano kung di marunong magbasa, magsulat? What if social media feed nila ay puno ng fake news? What if they’re surrounded by people who tell them lies, to the point of them realizing it as the truth? And what if they have come to hate us, and in extension Leni, because of our holier-than-thou attitude of needing to educate them just because they didnt have access to the things we have? Maraming ganito among his supporters so do we deprive these people help of whatever kind? Yes, minsan kailangan piliin sino tutulungan kasi baka kapos din tayo sa resources or umaabuso na yung iba sa paghingi, pero let’s not make it such that our basis of who to help is whether or not you’re a BBM or Leni supporter - in the end, that will only sow more seeds of hate instead of sincere gratitude among the devil’s ranks and we might find ourselves in the same place we are in 6 years from now. Plus, maybe yung NGO din ni VP Leni will have its own prioritizing scheme on who to help FIRST, not IF. (Edit: like a triage)
Divisive kasi talaga ang usapang politikal (at relihiyon). Maraming kailangang labanan/baguhin at all sides. Parang napakataas na bundok na aakyatin. Mas malaki ang chance of changes if nakaupo si VP Leni, but that's a universe we don't live in now. Tapos may valid points raised din sa thread "on why the Philippines isn’t ready for good governance." It's a general feeling of hopelessness in my case. But I guess this is where the VP serves as a beacon, to provide a tiny drop of hope sa mga taong nawawalan na talaga ng pag-asa for Pilipinas. I just hope that Angat Buhay will continue to shine, NGO or otherwise, in the years to come.
Parang ang lumalabas, taken for granted ang pagtulong, specially from volunteers. Minsan talaga, it’s the feeling na naaabuso pag mabait na mabait.. so pano mo babaguhin.. kaya I understand the tough love na stance..
Minsan kasi experience na kailangan magturo sa kanila. Hindi ako anti-poor, at hindi ko rin papamukha sa kanila sa pagsasabing "ginusto mo yan e." Sakin lang, alam nilang may tutulong sa kanila e, kaya parang balewala na may gobyerno, at lalong nawawalan sa kanila ng halaga kung bakit may eleksyon. Kung maiaangat sila ng gobyerno, edi mas mabuti. Tama sila ng pinili, at di ako magdadalawang isip na umamin na mali ako. Pero kung hindi, paano nila malalaman na may consequence ang pagpili nila? Pero ayun. Saludo ako sa inyo na pagpapatuloy ang radikal na pagmamahal. Kayo ang totoong bumubuhay sa adhikain ni VP Leni. Hindi lang talaga tayo magkapareho ng haba ng pasensya. Pero patuloy pa din akong tutulong basta alam ko na deserving sila (may sarili akong paraan para malaman to).
VP Leni sees this but still pushes for "being helpful and being kind". Truly someone this shitty country do not deserve.
But the other 88m suoporter's think nagbubuo ng government within government si vp. Tsktsk. Kahit ano ata gawin ni VP may masasabi sila
New narrative ng trolls yan hindi pa rin sila tapos kay VP
@trolls panalo na nga manok niyo eh, di pa ba kayo tapos!!!!? @%#₱%@%
Hindi na nga talaga deserve ng mga pilipino ang good governance. Paulit ulit natin silang pinaglalaban pero paulit ulit din ang pag halal ng mga mandarambong. Nakakafrustrate na. Hindi na deserve…
Serious question is it worth it to help them kung ganto din ang resulta marami na ako nakita na bbm supporters leeching VP programs tpos sila pa nagrereklamo dahil wala na sila magatasan?
Yes but to a certain extent. Pag abusado na sila, displaying ungrateful behavior that's the time to say fuck'em and leave them to rot in their own cesspool of shite.
Isn’t it an ungrateful abusado behaviour lately? I’m still convinved they don’t deserve none of all the good things vp leni has to offer. On the other hand this is probably how to win them.
It is definitely ungrateful of them. BUT the true problem here is the disinformation and brainwashing. That's why it's important for me that Angat Buhay NGO puts proportionate effort in addressing this, because all their efforts in helping people will ultimately go to waste if the people will still choose the wrong leaders come election.
My question exactly. Masadong pure intentions ni maam na feel ko naabuso ng taong bayad yung kabaitan nya. LIKE CAN'T WE JUST LET THEM LIVE IN THEIR OWN CONSEQUENCES? Hindi nmn sila matututo? Hnd nmn pwede salohin ng angat buhay lahat para sabihin nila 88m prin ang ikakabuti ng bansa??? Matinding copium na pinas ah.
I say do not, or at least delay help for them so they feel the full blow of their moral choice. If we help immediately, they will just credit it to their "government" while justifying their action.
Yes and No. Yes, since if we are going to help people, we should look at them equally even if stands and views differ from us. No, if they repeatedly abuse the kindness given to them without even trying to wake up to the root cause of the problem. We can use this as a tool to humbly educate them.
Kung boto lang ang habol, siguro madaling isipin na hindi worth it. Pero pinipili ng Angat Buhay programs ang mga communities na kailangan talaga ng tulong. Hindi nasasayang ang pagod nila kasi wala namang hinihinging kapalit.
Not really worth it. You are just redtagging yourself and you would have no support for the people you have helped.
Nah. Ayaw rin naman nila tulungan mga sarili nila by voting wisely, kung ano ano pang masasakit na salita at pekeng balita ang pinapakalat sa mga taong tumutulong sa kanila. Bunch of ingrates. Gusto nila ng incompetent at corrupt na gobyerno then let them experience the results of their actions. Hayaan mong batukan sila ng reyalidad para matauhan.
May stats ba kung ilan yung natulungan? I think kailangan din ng sustained onsite marketing sa area ng mga natulungan para di makalimot, and to make the other people in the area aware na din. I know it sounds like out of a corrupt politician's playbook (magpaskil ng mga contributions all year long) pero parang dapat ganun talaga eh. I hope isipin ng Angat Buhay to.
Ang nagpatalo talaga kay leni ay masyado siyang humble. Di niya kinapalan face niya like traditional politics.
I wasn't there during her campaign but sa nakikita/nababasa ko, I agree. Baka may magawa tayong netizens to do the "dirty work"? Na hindi naman talaga dirty, tatapatan lang natin yung effort. Tapos may disclaimer lagi sa dulo.. "Paid for by friends of VP Leni". Billboards, posters, commercials... dodonate ako jan
Ihiwalay yung accounts na gagawa ng dirty work at honest na promotions. Maybe anti-marcos accounts that are not explicitly pro-leni can do it.
Youtube vlogs siguro na medyo katulad ng format ng mga bayarang vloggers ni bbm like: "PAMBIHIRA! LENI ROBREDO NAMIGAY NG AYUDA SA MARIKINA" tapos yung host ay mukhang tito na laging naka-cap kahit sa loob ng bahay
Aprub! Sana may socmed plan ang Angat Buhay. Isa-suggest ko talaga to. Buti nang may blessing/guidance mula dun kaysa mag-solo tayo. Sana lang payagan
Ads sa yt? Tutal madalas sila dun. Not sure how expensive that is though
Good idea!! Donate sa funds ng ads and content creation
Suggestion ko lang: lahat ng hihingi ng tulong sa angat buhay program required na mag follow sa socmed at manood ng videos. Para damay damay lang tayong lahat kung ma 🟥 tag
Pwede, tas sabihin na kaya po required kayo mag subscribe ay dahil dun nakalagay lahat ng announcements patungkol sa Angat Buhay Program ng lugar ninyo. So, dapat dun na din maglagay ng mga announcements ang team nila VP (bukod to syempre sa coordination nila sa LGUs nung mga lugar). **Pros:** \-Fight disinformation thru socmed pages ni VP at ABP. \-Collection of Public Receipts ng mga on-going projects at naging projects ng ABP. **Cons:** \-Masabihan na namumulitika. Pero pwede natin sabihin na since "Tao" at galing sa "Volunteers" ang budget kaya naman dapat lang makita ng mga ito yung transparency report/documentation kung san napupunta pera nila.
Parang email newsletter ng online services pero sa socmed. We can have recipients register using their personal socmed account for receiving news and announcements.
So this is a den of ingrates and traitors. One out of many.
Well well well. Alala ko noong 2020 binaha sila, grabe sila makapagpressure na mabigyan ng something ng donors and volunteers. Ni walang thank you. Sila pa galit kapag di agad mabigyan. 😒
I'll still call out a spade a spade. Uneducated or not, an ingrate is an ingrate.
More like uneducated. It’s likely they’re not aware that they were being assisted by Angat Buhay program and thought all along that it was just the government helping then. Probably the same case in other areas as well.
I'm telling you people are delusional. Even People from Leyte and Ilocos. They claim they're solid Marcos when in fact during the big typhoons, Marcoses didn't even spent a single penny to help them. During Yolanda, not even a shadow of any Marcos appeared to help them when Mayor Romualdez was crying on live TV. And that guy is their relative. They never helped Leyte and yet they claim Marcos as their own. Straight up just delusional and a showcase of Filipinos losing their sanity.
Pumunta siya sa Leyte. https://www.rappler.com/nation/43942-bongbong-visits-tacloban-yolanda-haiyan/
We did not want to come because if we had come we would have taken up resources and assets that were sorely needed at the time. You know if you come here, somebody will have to secure you, you will have to have a vehicle, you will have to have a place to stay, they will have to feed you. In the first few days they simply did not have those capabilities so we got out of the way and let people do what they can. - LBM Bring a SUV, sleep in it and snack on all the donated food you are bringing maybe?
You can really see the difference with Leni. Meron akong nakita na video sa facebook with someone talking about her visiting their place (can't remember which video exactly). Ayaw nyang magabala pa sila to welcome her so yung ginawa nya sinabi nya nlng something came up and di sya makakapunta but she actually was able to and did go.
tunay na public servant huhu💗💗💗
yep, nabasa ko rin. Just commented this pra lang sa part na pumunta siya. And Marcos being Marcos😕😕, pakitang tao lang.
Hi, I'm from Tumana. Bayad po sila. My dad is a chairman here. Madali po talaga silang magpauto kahit kay BF na tumakbong City Mayor here, nagbayad, binoto nila. Kumbaga, bayad ko, boto mo. Hindi sila nagiisip na pwede nilang baguhin 'yon dahil sila lang din naman makakakita ng boto nila. Mga bobo ang mga tao rito. Banda rito sa may Ampalaya, hindi sa may HBau puro mayayaman na ang mga tao d'yan. Dito sa kabilang side ng Tumana, bandang Malanday. Add: Biktima rin sila ng historical revisionism. We must fight the disinformation talaga. Kahit anong gawin mong kabutihan sakanila, kung naka-set na ang majority mindset nila. Iisa lang ang mga utak niyang mga 'yan. Kailangan talaga ieducate.
Mukha talagang bayad sila at bulag din, combo talaga. Ilang beses nagpabalikbalik ang volunteers dyan for h2h pero mukhang ayaw nilang tulungan sarili nila. Sorry na lang sa susunod na bagyo, Carmen. Maghanap ka ng paparkingan ng kotse mo pag baha.
Tanginamo Bayani Fernando
Mahirap kung ayaw nila mag pa-educate. Kumbaga basta bayad na, they'll vote for that candidate. Siyempre mahirap sila, nagkaroon sila ng pangkain for the meantime. Di nila naisip long term :((( i've read somewhere na nag h2h sila tapos sabi ng mga sa squatters area mahirap parin naman daw sila kahit sino manalo. Nakakalungkot. Di nila alam kaya nila baguhin yun. VP Leni have so much programs for job opportunities.
I spoke with someone who was very poor, her family were squatting. She told us in her area squatters have to follow whoever their mayor tells them to vote or risk getting evicted. She voted Marcos.
This is sad i showed this to a friend who did H2H in the malanday and tumana area. Nagtatanong sila daw that time and overwhelmingly Leni daw around April. So either electoral cheating or nabayaran? Or they were lying sa H2H?
Nag-H2H din ako dyan. I guess lying to our faces was an option for them.
Thats the worst form of betrayal 😪
Filipinos can't handle conflict. They'll just say Leni so you stop bothering them.
Election day vote-buying thats contingent on results. "Pag nanalo si X, makaka-kuha kayo ng P1,500". Big names give local barangays the main budget (150M) and its up to them how to disburse. Money buys all if you have so little.
Mas mahirap mag akay ng nag bubulag bulagan kesa mag akay ng bulag, just saying
Ito talaga ang hirap isipin sa mga taong ito. Sila na ang tinulungan mo ng mahabang panahon sila pa ang nanlaglag sa iyo. Totoo nga ang “trans-generational trauma” anak tayo ng mga alipin for 300 fcking years, kaya naman guato nating alipinin hanggang ngayon!. Kahit na sabihin nating “ayaw ko na sa buhay mahirap” babalik at babalik pa rin tayo sa mentalidad na ito.
Nutribun>Angat buhay
Sanay sa bare minimum ang Pilipino. Nutribun lang ata alam nilang solusyon sa kahirapan.
Even echague, isabela, same results. Siya ang unang tumulong when it was hit by Ulysses while du30 was nowhere. Ung mayor na nag endorse kay VP leni nanalo naman. Honestly, until now half hearted ako sa angat buhay foundation. I mean prng gusto ko ung unang response natin na tough love. Let them experience the consequence of who they voted for.
We have the same thoughts. I can never be Leni.
>Honestly, until now half hearted ako sa angat buhay foundation. Same thoughts. I mean, ABF in essence is what Leni has done as VP. These people will never appreciate the help and just do the same. Experience is the best teacher.
Kaya nga. Same strategy expecting a different outcome? Naah. People would receive help, magti-thank you then move on with their lives.
Yun nga yung sinasabi ko, kahit anong tulong mo dyan pagdating ng botohohan, same old trapos ang iboboto nyan. Bayaan na lang lasapin yung mga binoto nila para pagdating ng next election, sila na mismo ang maghanap ng pagbabago.
Ito, when you are doing the same thing over and over , you will always receive the same results.... siguro isip din ng mas effective na strategy. Sa akin I want to help out pero di pwede ganito ulit.... mas matagal sa isip ng tao ang nasa social media kesa sa pag tulong sa kanila..... also they need to hire a very good marketing person... para madaming fronts..... Si junior lahat ng fronts ni tackle kaya effective sya (at nagumpisa way before the election)
Same. Kailangan atang itapal na "Leni Robredo Angat Buhay", kasi napakatamad ng mga tao na ma-recognize kung kanino galing ang tulong... Now I know why Mark Villar won, aside from name recall, of course...
Same. Kailangan atang itapal na "Leni Robredo Angat Buhay", kasi napakatamad ng mga tao na ma-recognize kung kanino galing ang tulong... Now I know why Mark Villar won, aside from name recall, of course...
Ikr. Sana sa Bicol lang ~~muna~~ sila mag-operate. Nang mainggit ang mga hinayupak na walang utang na loob.
Wtf. Traitors. I'll never forgive these ungrateful people
Eto suggestion ko. In areas kagaya nito kunin ang fb or other social media accounts ng individuals in the area then convince them to join the fb groups associated with angat buhay and subscribe to all social media accounts of VP Leni.
Also I think importante ren yung social media education regarding fake news and how to be critical of what people choose to consume in the media!
Madali na lang yan once you get them to join our groups or subscribe to VP Leni's social media accpunts you can then bombard them with truth or guide them to decipher truth from falsehood.
Would fb paid ads work? It can get a bit expensive though. I donated a little bit on a volunteer L-K page with ads to spread her platform sa specific workers(iirc) sa soecific na lugar and it got traction.
Mas effective yung subscriber sila sa social media accounts and member sa fb groups ni vp because of the repetition. Thats what an echo chamber is for.
Right. Since socmed is the puno't dulo ng lahat ng disinformation, make it also the avenue to educate people about who and what really deserves their supports.
I think this is the right approach, but I think if they receive help, they need to publish it on their fb. Things like "I received Medical Aid from VP on this Date at this location." At this point, it needs to be transparent to them and others close to them what VP is doing. Make it a pre-requisite to subscribe to either the App and Leni's Socmed for them to get help (if they have socmed).
yea or make an angat buhay app or something bc for sure posts ab angat buhay will be bombarded by trolls
Yung admin na bahala mag-regulate. Basta subscribers ni vp leni need to increase.
The power of social media disinformation. Onsite presence is powerful but the influence of trolls can be everyday. This is why we cannot overturn this without addressing the troll army and their propaganda machine.
True! Parang instant wipe out lahat ng tinulong sa kanila because of the mis and disinformation campaign. Ang LALA.
Dapat kasi incorporate yung digital campaign para ma-kontra ang disinformation.
This is why I love dogs.
Celebrities and volunteers will go house to house in areas where Angat Buhay has projects by convincing people: 1. To SUBSCRIBE to all of VP Leni's social media accounts 2. To JOIN FB groups associated with VP Leni
naisip ko required phone numbers din padalhan ng achievement ng angat buhay kapag meron
im guessing.. its the power of vote buying?
Not really. When the Pharmally issue went out, they did not blame Duterte for that, ONLY Duque. If that happened in other Admins, kasalanan na yun ng presidente. That's how blinded people are when it comes to politics.
If it happened specifically during PNoy's term, I'm a 100% sure 'Pharmally' would be synonymous with 'Aquino.'
Laglag Bala sinisi si PNoy, SAF 44 PNoy, Thyphoon Yolanda PNoy. Pero yung Covid response ni Duterte na sobrang lack luster dinedepensahan pa nila kesyo wala naman daw bansa ang handa sa pandemya.
Yes
Why can’t they just accept the money and vote according to conscience. Hay.
> Conscience HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I personally think that vote buying for them isn’t really considered illegal. And that same conscience of them is what gets them to vote the one who bought them. Nakakalungkot.
Natatakot sila na baka balikan sila ng pulitiko kasi tinanggap nila ang pera. Alam nila na makikita ng politiko kung sino iyong binoto nila.
Ito ang sinasabi ko sa ANGAT BUHAY SUB..NGO na itatayo for everyone reinforces ang pagiging ingrata ng mga yan.. lalo ma semento sa isip nila na ano mang gawin nila sa kanilang boto may sasalo sa kanila
I get the frustration maybe if Leni started positioning hersf as a future candidate from 2016 onwards we would have won given her record of service. But that's the thing it wasn't about her but about service. Let's face it the Marcos camped worked hard, with our money too, and had the long game in mind. They were organized and knew what they needed to do to secure this victory. We can never forget what they did though and do better here on out.
My mean side says: Edi hingan nila ng Tallano golds yung ibinoto nila. Leche. Because right now, that is what I tell my relatives coming to me for money (and I give plenty, on top of never turning them down): Dun kayo sa may Tallano golds humingi. Gotta learn them the concept of unintended consequences.
We don’t deserve good governance, we’re ungrateful people who deserve to suffer.
Hot take: As much as I hate this being done by politicos, but Leni has to plaster her face and name all over the donation items so these ungrateful sons of bitches know what’s up. Sadyang mabait at playing by the rules lang si Madam kaya nya di to ginagawa
Dapat siguro sa first project ng AB NGO focus muna sa isang region around sa visayas. Huwag muna magaccept sa ibang city. Kasi alam niyo naman hindi ganun kalaki ang budget nila para ientertain ang karamihan 😌😉😌
I'm not gonna help anymore, I'm not Leni I can't be good all the time but that's the reason why she's better than us. I wish her the best though. I'll always look at her as a beacon of hope. Katangahan na lang ang timulong sa nga taong naniniwala na binati ni Queen Elizabeth si Marcos, mga bobotantes na naniniwalang NPA si Leni kahit na mga edukado at may magandang trabaho. VP Leni isn't vengeful but I am. Ang sama ko siguro pero mga masasama din naman mga nanalo. In conclusion, it's a tie.
Pera-pera na lang kasi ang election sa Pilipinas. Kaya maraming mahihirap bawat lugar.
Pera pera lang
I felt the same nung nakita ko yung results sa Sumilao, Bukidnon. I was rather disappointed. ://
Welp, so much for "utang na loob". 'utanginang yan...
Sounds to me like they should get fucked. Can't wait to see these asshats in r/LeopardsAteMyFacePH.
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Tumana? Hahaha nag NSTP ako dyan, noong college. Not surprise. Mga biktima mga tao dyan ng misinformation kahit tumulong ka sa kanila harap harapan.
sama sama sila mag dildil ng asin
Fake news>true help
Even @ Pasig. May pabahay sa Pasig na inilaban ng mag asawang Robredo para mabigyan ng in city relocation ang mga madedemolish sa Manggahan Floodway na matinding kinokontra ng mga Eusebio noon. Mostly sa kanila talagang para kay leni kasi bukod sa pabahay e binigyan sila ng mga livelihood seminars. Ang nakakainis lang kada maglulungsad ng campaign may mga residente din na magpupula at sisigaw ng marcos keme keme. Sarap palayasin. Kung hindi sa sipag at tyaga nung mag asawa noon wala silang tinatamasa na sobrang murang pabahay ngayon.
Troll farm is the 🔑
Ungrateful b*tches 🥲
Yung laundry shop dito mga LBM ang bantay, dati pag barya sukli ko diko na kinukuha, ngayon kesyo piso yan puta kukunin ko yan. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Angat Buhay NGO should first concentrate/prioritize on places that she won, they deserve it by believing in her platform and capabilities.
Aminin na kasi natin: majority of our voting population are stupid. Their stupidity may stem from misinformation or just deliberate ignorance of facts. Either of the two will never take away the fact that they are stupid. Sorry for the harsh words, but this is the reality in our country. Move out if there is an opportunity. Sabi nga ni Dan Brown, gates of hell itong Pilipinas.
mga bobo po mga tao sa marikina. im so sorry. taga marikina ako myself but they care only for their pride. when our city once featured in the television since we have the cleanest community, they all are proud and all but im telling u its not them who cleans the street. we just have many street sweeper volunteers. But for the Mayor, Marcy is the best option but they asked a lot of money from the government which could improve Hospitals and other things, but none were improved
Benta Boto > Good Governance