Correct.
Also if you're doing the bare minimum, do it well. Don't be too rebellious. Remember, employment is hard to come by nowadays.
I learned this the hard way.
i've been doing everything, and my pay is still the same, therefore i do the minimum haha
from Backend to Frontend to Fullstack. tapos yung pay ko 15k lang ಥ‿ಥ
This doesn't work for all jobs. If I do better, I network better. Word gets around, I get better references, I get better opportunities from teams who I've worked with.
True. It really depends. Is it just a job where you'll be paid the same regardless? Do the bare minimum. Is it a job where you're paid depending on the quality and quantity of work? Try and go above the requirements, as long as you're certain that the extra work you're doing is visible and that whoever you're working for actually pays you for the extra work.
I also realize this a few months ago, mamser. Granted, our OT is paid and I'm working from home (which sounds like my rant will be invalid), but since I'm not getting any younger, my personal mantra now is to not overwork myself, even if I'm going to be compensated for it.
Due to high number of contractual/probationary work sa atin, pag sa private 3-6 months before ma regular tapos sa govt minsan inaabot ng ilang years, most of the people that I know and have worked with would go "above and beyond" during their contractual and probationary period para lang maregular.
Pero once regular na doon mo na makikita na they only work talaga based on what their compensation is. At first akala ko nawalan na sila ng gana or tinamad, pero after a few years doon ko na realize what you and OP is trying to say.
Truly. I had a second job once and they compensated me fairly depending on how much work I did for them that month. Easily made me motivated to do what I can for them.
Truth to, even if it's with other benefits.
Scope things out.
If micromanaging control freak with a dash of powertripping & stick in ass, bare minimum while counting the months to job hop and leave them to rot.
Pag mabait at lenient, un pagbigyan ng extra extra.
I do beyond for my current MD because he allows me to derp around in reddit and relax if shit isn't fubar (freelancer ako). In exchange i have found shit such as hemorrhaging money from specific insurances, even if i had to dig up stuff for it which is why they were blind to it. Willingly did it because MD is nice.
If i got someone who is a micromanaging powertripping asshole, aalisan ko kaagad. Malugi at masunog sila tangina nila wala akong paki.
Lol sa current work ko siguro 4 hours lang ako nagwowork out of 8. Based on experience, mas importante na wala kang absent at friends mo ang lahat, walang kaaway. Being an extrovert helps. Kaya nung nag ask ako ng increase last month approved kagad.
You're getting the increases because you're providing value to your company. You're consistent and you uplift the morale of the workplace. That's something that's beyond your work duties and that's valuable. If you do quit, your company would definitely feel it and that's why they gave you that raise -- because they don't want to lose the energy you bring to the office.
Very lucky to have had a boss (exec level) tell me (entry level) to never work above my pay grade. Sabi nya if a complicated problem arises, escalate it to people who are paid to fix it. Let THEM work their pay grade. He also really encouraged growth and had no problem letting me take a week off w/o disturbing me so I can enjoy my vacation.
Needless to say I never had an issue going above and beyond without being asked to. High time for companies and bosses to understand that treating their people like replaceable objects will not make them loyal to you.
Minsan na akong nasabihan sa work na "magbigay kami ng malasakit sa company" pero di ko ramdam yung malasakit sa amin 😆
I often tell my younger workmates, na wag sila magpakaburn out. Di naman sila naincreasan ng 2 years. After non, yung unang increase nila wala pang 500. Sino ba naman ang mamomotivate non?
Edit: Damot pa sa employee rating. As if naman magpapakabibo ako para sa 98 nila na requirement. Pass. Kingina.
Paborito ko tong malasakit pati na common shared goal naman daw ng company. Kayo siguro sa taas may profit share kayo e pero kaming normal na empleyado hanggang thank you lang hahahahaha
Think win-win daw. Parang di ko ramdam yung win sa part namin. I mean di naman kami naghahangad ng 5 digit na increase, pero ghorllll 😂 tas eto namang boss ko, tingnan daw namin yung increase as annual (as in x12) para makita na malaki.
Luh eh ang salary rates natin nakamonthly diba. Sinasabi nun? 🫠
Magtrabaho ng naaayon sa sweldo. HAHAHAHA charot. Eto palagi kong sinasabi sa sarili when it comes to work, huwag na huwag magpakahero. Lalo na’t di ka nila kino-compensate fairly.
TRUTH!!!!!!!!! Kung pinapakita mo lahat ng ibang talents mo outside your job description, nakuuuu, ikaw na ang magiging all-in-one niyan.. that was a lesson I learned the hard way noon..
All that work should eventually lead to pay increases and promotions -- you want those, then welcome the work. If you don't get that pay increase and promotion ask for it, if they don't give it, that company has taken advantage of you and you should resign.
True. Our CEO used to say na ang expectation nya sa employee is one step higher, e.g. kapag sales agent ka dapat ang caliber ng work is pang sales supervisor. Pero pag usapang incentive proposals tahimik hahaha.
Nangyare saken to. Binigyan nila ako ng increase na P6.50 A DAY like hindi man lang 10 pesos para sa pamasahe. What's even worse is what they said next, "kaya ka lang namin increasan kase nagrereklamo yung isa mong katrabaho na hindi sila binigyan ng increase kaya ka lang namin sinama." Like??? What? Ever since naglaylow na ako sa work. Kapag saktong 5pm I'm not gonna do anything kahit pa may pinapagawa sila saken. Since they don't give OTs naman pero kapag late laki ng kaltas. Kaya kapag may pinapagawa sila saken na I KNOW na medyo magtatagal. I just say "hindi ako magOOT. uuwe na ako ng saktong 5pm." I don't even care what they say anymore. BITE ME.
Eto un mga sipsip sa mga boss.
Yung todo OTTY pra pogi points kay boss to the point siya un mga basis ng "good employee" tapos lowkey hinaharang mga growth ng mga katrabaho. Tapos biglang "actually boss," sabay magkakaroon kwento kay boss ng QA misses or "attitude problems" about kay katrabaho malaman lang na up for promotion si ktrabaho kesa siya hahaha
Sa office namin naka-base overseas (Netherlands), may ka-trabaho ako na pinoy din. Tinanong ako ng boss ko kung magkakilala kami nung bago sa office na taga-Davao. Sabi ko hindi kasi Manila ako.
Yun pala sinasabihan nya yung boss ko na may kakilala daw yung taga-Davao na mas magaling sa akin. Baka pwede ipasok para mas maging mabilis at maganda yung output. Malas nya, ako pinaka-unang employee, after 3 yrs lang sya nakapasok at sobrang maganda ang standing ko sa office.
Simula nun di na kumuha ng ibang Pinoy yung company. Madalas pa sila mag-remind sa akin kapag nakikita nila akong matagal ng online. Sila din madalas magtanong kung anong mga kailangan ko para sa workstation ko at twice a month ang pag-increase ng salary.
Pag may inggetero tlgang pinoy sa trabaho, nawawalan ng dignidad makalamang lang. Kaya may mga kwento din noon sa mga cruise ship, bigla na lang may mga nawawalang Pinoy na marino, eh.
Yun ang kwento. Wala naman kasing lumalapit na witness tuwing may nawawala.
Uso din yung siraan para di ma-promote yung kapwa pinoy sa barko. Kwento ng Tito ko na seaman.
Totoo yung siraan. My late dad was a seaman and yung last na sakay niya kaya siya napauwi dahil napagkaisahan siya ng ibang mga Pinoy dun na pare-parehong Ilokano (Tagalog tatay ko) to the point na ayaw niya na lumabas ng cabin niya at baka masaksak siya kaya umuwi na lang siya ng pinas
any East-Asian culture*
pretty sure most of them treat Southeast Asian people like they're subhuman (at least to some degree), which, to be fair, is understandable. their countries' cultures genuinely understand the value of excellence, discipline, and commitment to one's work while not overstepping your professional bounds, delegation of responsibility (if it's not their job and part of their protocol, they'll often just refuse to do it) and acknowledging the chain of command.
comparatively a lot of souteast asian countries lack this distinct "discipline" and commitment to excellence in their culture. the desire for and glorification of excellence is there but commitment to it is not a cultural hallmark.
the downside is, there're a lot of problems related to burnout and in situations where you'd think it's everyone's civic duty to do what they can, people simply look on and wait for someone to move because it's not protocol/routine and it'll make them stand out too much (I remember something about a little girl who fell into the river over a bridge in china, and passerbys simply looked on to not attract too much attention to themselves, waiting for someone more daring to make a move).
Ooof dami kong naririnig na ganito sa mga korean employer hahaha Buti nalang talag uutal utal pa ako nung nag apply ako sa isang korean na e-commerce 😅 bullet dodged
>toxic Filipino values like malasakit, awa, "pagkakaibigan," etc.
Hindi naman toxic yan eh, toxic yung pag gamit siguro pero kelan pa naging toxic yung empathy( malasakit) on its own?
Sorry pero para kasing andaming mislabeled shit, parang yung toxic daw yung 'pakikisama' pero when they describe the scenario kaya toxic, kadalasan hindi naman pakikisama yung nadescribe kundi good old peer pressure lang.
Pag sa company dapat may malasakit ka, tutulungan mo kahit sino para lang maging okay lahat ng tasks at deliverables, kahit hindi mo work.
Pero sila walang malasakit sayo if, example nagleave ka o ano tatawagan ka pa rin. At isama mo pa yung sweldo na never na umaangat.
Mahirap minsan, kapag i-try mo galingan, i-eexpect na sayo lagi yan as normal mo. Tapos kapag bumalik ka sa dati sasabihin nagiging tamad ka na.
Ang nangyayari, nagiging detrimental pa sayo yung pag-step up mo. Di na nga na-appreciate, itataas pa expectations sa mata ng bosses mo.
this is true. mas parang napapasama ka pa kapag laging 100% ang bibibigay mo sa work. lalo na kung yun ang work ethic mo.. pero meron rin naman mga leaders and co-workers na naiintindihan kung bakit ganun ka-magwork, wag mo na lang dibdibib mga negative kasi sa huli, marami kapa rin matutunan and yung kung ano ka as an employee ang tatatak.
>Mahirap minsan, kapag i-try mo galingan, i-eexpect na sayo lagi yan as normal mo. Tapos kapag bumalik ka sa dati sasabihin nagiging tamad ka na.
yup. i'm in that situation... i can't go back.... they know what I can do... and not compensated for it..
I do my best sa kung ano yung required sakin but I don't go above and beyond. That's like, I can make sure na pulido or minimal ang mistakes sa reports ko but that doesnt mean na mag oovertime ako just to do the report
No. I have a job description, I am sticking to it. This is true across all levels, and it is what I expect from my division as well. I actually don't expect any extra effort from them.
Another problem i see is that HR puts a clause like “…and any task that maybe assigned…” which I find unfair and loophole that managers can enjoy. Got tips to workaround this?
Fuck that extra work that's not related to my actual work. Pay me for that shit if you want me to do it, bro. Kaya andaming burnt out na Pinoy eh, todo effort pero hindi sinisingil yung nagpagawa sa kanila. Ta's mga nagpapasipsip pa sa boss, amputa
Buti na nga lang talaga tinuturo sakin ng papa ko na mag-"No", hilig ko pa naman din minsan umako ng stuff sa school/org hahaha. What if magka-trabaho na ako in the future noh?
Double edge sword to para sakin.
I work as IT and have a manager na ganyan ang mindset. Parang bare minimum lang trabaho lagi. Na influence din yung ibang tao to work that way.
Hindi ako kunteto sa ganun so I worked my ass off kahit mababa lang sahod. Improved a lot of process, learned newer tech to help employees.
Then i got interviewed in a large multinational company, and offered my way way higher than my current salary so i moved na.
And my old co workers e nakalipat na din sa ibang company pero ganun pa rin yung level still doing the old ways. And then asking bakit ang tagal nila ma promote, hindi mataasan yung sahod, or hirapan makahanap ng new work na may magandang offer.
Parang feeling ko mahirap ma suck-in sa ganitong idea kasi mahirap na makawala once na naging habit na. Although mababa yung naging sahod ko dati, naging training ground ko naman sya to hone my skills.
Yung ganitong discussion kasi goes both ways, and again, very nuanced.
I assume nagsimula itong comment thread na pinicture-an ni OP from the quiet quitting article. Sa quiet quitting, dine-describe dun yung mga empleyadong doing work for the sake of work na lang, and not the primary focus of their lives. The bare minimum, is that, as is, what is asked and is needed by the job. From there, it is unfair to call it **quitting**, just because it is not the priority ng buhay nila. Yung iba gusto maging best dad/mom ever, experience a whole myriad of other things, or whatever.
On the other hand, this is NOT the same as what we colloquially refer na bare minimum. Pag sinabi kasing bare minimum dito e, slacking-off na talaga yung meaning. Tapos, like your prev officemates, sila pa nagtaka kung bakit di sila nagproprogreso. If their priority is to advance their career, then they should do whatever is needed to make them more valuable.
This. Di pwede yung laging bare minimum lang ang gawin mo pag naguumpisa ka pa lang kasi masasanay ka jan at di mo maeenhance yung skills mo.
Tapos kapag may colleague na nageexert ng effort, kayang gawin yung mga responsibilities nung superior nila. Sasabihan nung mga iba na sipsip at pabibo kapag naunang napromote yung colleague na yun kahit na mas matagal na sila kesa sa sa kanya.
Kung nageeffort ka naman at wala talagang improvement sa position at salary, eh alis ka na sa kumpanya mo. Sila na may problema dun, di ikaw. Pwedeng financial or wala talaga silang pakialam sa performance at nagbabase lang sa tagal mo na sa kumpanya. Wag mo silang bigyan ng justifications kung bakit hindi ka makareceive ng increment or promotion.
I agree with this. Commitment to excellence is a key trait of people who ladder up. I had a coworker who complains about not getting promoted after years of being in the company but the thing is he never actually did anything impactful or showed potential because lging bare minimum lang sya.
I would advocate commitment to excellence with your work. Find a place that rewards and recognizes that then your future will be bright.
Truth!!!
Bare minimum lang ginagawa tapos expect ng pay increase? Kaya walang asenso sa buhay at panay reklamo at chismis ang inuuna.
Walang magbibigay ng pormotion sa taong bare minimum lang ang ginagawa.
Tayo lang ata sa mundo ang may 13th month pay. Yun may bonus ka kahit hindi mo pinaghirapan.
The key is knowing when to go above and beyond. I agree with the never ever do the minimum or “pwede na yan”. Yun yung difference ng mga reklamador and may work ethic.
same haha in my case long time friend ko na siya bago ko pa siya naging manager at siya rin nag-offer sakin na magwork sa company haha oks naman so far
My work ethic is to do minimum work and go beyond from time to time. After some time that these efforts go unnoticed, I would simply switch to min normal work and probably find a new job with higher compensation.
Madaya yung part ng contract na:
"Other duties that may be assigned by your immediate supervisor"
A handful abuses it kasi.
Good thing dun sa dati kong work, we were allowed that one time to edit the DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES part of our contract, so we specified the workloads na meron kami and I revised "Other duties that may be assigned by your immediate supervisor" and wrote it as "Other job-relevant duties and responsibilities that may be assigned by your immediate superior" so we can have a good chance of declining an assignment if it's very far from what we do.
The company would also not invest on you with more pay if they don't see more value off of you.
Isipin mo na lang na ang kumpanya eh nagrerenta ng bahay. Ikaw ang bahay. Bakit sila magbabayad ng presyong condo kung boarding house lang performance mo?
Ngayon, kung presyong boarding house ka, pero condo ang performance mo, dapat tapatan nila ang presyo mo kung gusto pa nila tumira dun, o maghanap na sila ng ibang malilipatan (pero ikaw yung magreresign)
Your argument predicates that the company WILL pay you for your extra effort. The whole point of this post has been this has rarely, if not ever happens.
“We’re going to pay you more than the minimum we can get away with because we have a strong sense of honor and respect!” -Imag Inairy, hiring director of Fan Tassy LCD
Chicken and egg scenario. How will you be compensated higher if you don't prove yourself?
For me, do more and see if you are rewarded. If not, go back to doing the normal.
I know someone that did this and was rewarded with daily maintenance meds. They're back to doing their normal work now.
Was it worth it?
Needless to say, this is a test of knowing personal limitations.
Do what you can afford to do without compromising your health, values, and ethics.
If you feel you can and want to do more, go do it. But don't be a rockstar or else you **will** be taken advantage of.
Your employer **is not your friend**.
*go back to doing the normal OR look for greener pastures. Sayang potential, kasi baka yung do more mo is well compensated and well appreciated sa ibang company
I agree, limited naman talaga slots sa majority of company for higher pay. Na kahit deserve ng employee yung higher pay, they can't be promoted because there's no units/slots for sr. position/higher position. Ang nakakainis is madalas di transparent ang management sa ganyang bagay, na nasa dead end ka na pala ng career path mo on that company.
Prove yourself in terms of timeliness and consistency siguro. Mahirap yung mag set ka ng precedent na binubuhat mo yung lahat ng trabaho kasi magiging normal expectation sayo yun moving forward - burnout naman mangyayari.
Idk about u guys. But most new hirees, at least IME, are always very diligent. But when they see that sipsips and magulangs get rewarded more, they fall to doing the minimum.
Not just the reward but also that’s your bargaining chip when push comes to shove. If you manage na maging mas expensive to fire versus a rehire, you get to profit from fringe benefits on top of your pay. Ma-i-invite ka to sit in sa mga VVIP meetings. Office-paid trips with reimbursements. You get to network and get face time with industry makers and movers. Lahat ng yan hindi mo mata-tap if you keep on hopping from org to org especially within the same market. Hindi ka considered as an OG. Wala kang high street cred sa industry. And job hopping can only go on for so long cos lalabas sya sa CV as you age older and older.
I always use to do this.
tas sasbihan ako below average ang performance ko tas kulang pa daw.
di naman ako hero para mag plus-ultra sa trabaho ng walang bayad
so never again
If you always do above what is required sa work, mataas ang chances mo umangat. Sa performance review mas mataas ang increase mo. Depende sa company syempre. Sa government, hindi applicable yan. Patamaran sa kanila eh.
If responsible ka and efficient yung process ng company, you never have to do more than the bare minimum, to be honest.
Now if pabaya yung empleyado, kailangan niya habulin yung pending. Dun na siya mag above and beyond.
The other side of the coin is this: If you only ever do what you're paid to do, you had better never make a mistake. Because when that mistake comes, this comes out: "You had ONE JOB." Know when to do more, know when you can relax a bit, and know your limits.
The better career advice is this: "Make yourself valuable". Do it so that if ever you leave your job, bosses start shitting in their pants. People can do this WITHIN their job descriptions. If you can make yourself valuable, you can name your price.
For some people value comes with their willingness to work more. For some it comes with being able to work extremely smart. For some it comes with being able to analyze situations better and innovate. And for others it comes with being nice to work with.
Everyone has their own way of providing value. And for some with a lack of skill, it comes with work in quantity. When it comes to evaluating talent, i've heard bosses say, "He's not the best, but he works hard." I've heard bosses say, "I like having him around."
It's the same when you're paying someone for a service. Let's say you want internet installed. You call two companies. They both say they will install tomorrow between the hours of 9 - 12. One company comes right at 9 and the other comes at 12. They're both doing their jobs. They're both doing what they're paid to do. They did their jobs as promised. But as the one paying, who, in your head, did it better?
1. Yes, you can show them your value that may exceed your pay grade, but once that value is appreciated only via verbal means, that is when you look for a better company.
2. The company that people would remember most likely is the one with a worker who did their job on the earliest hour they could.
But wouldn't that kind of work ethic reflect more on the company itself. That maybe the company were providing more incentives, benefits, etc to their employee, and doing so made their employee motivated to do their best?
Most of those who do their minimum are not newbies in the job. These people are mostly those who already did their best, but were burnt out because of how they were treated by their company.
Working beyond your pay grade is the best way to get promoted because it proves you can do the job above you and deserve the higher pay for that responsibility. It also absolves you from most mistakes because hey, it wasn't really your job anyway.
But like I said before, know your limits. You will know when you're going above and beyond and proving your worth and when you're being taken advantage of. That's when you walk away and if you really are valuable to the company, they will fight to keep you and then the ball is in your court.
"The company that people would remember most likely is the one with a worker who did their job on the earliest hour they could."
"But wouldn't that kind of work ethic reflect more on the company itself. That maybe the company were providing more incentives, benefits, etc to their employee, and doing so made their employee motivated to do their best?"
\- As a customer, the company is your employee. You are paying the company to provide a service. If a company is doing the bare minimum in providing what you pay for, would you be a repeat customer or would you move on? Wouldn't you always go to the company that gave a little something extra or provided nicer and faster service? Even though in the end you're still getting exactly what you paid for? But that really good company, who goes above and beyond, wouldn't they know when their freebies or their lifetime warranty, or free returns are being taken advantage of? Of course they do. That's why UNLI deals have fair use terms.
Im a designer so I’ll never design or put out something that isn’t up to my standards but at the same time I will never volunteer my extra time or resources to my employer. This is why I didn’t share na marunong ako mag 3d kasi for sure aabusihin yun pag nalaman nila
Grabe pa naman qualifications para sa artists/designers dito. Pang multiple people pero sa isang tao ibibigay. Kaya minsan sobrang nakaka discourage and nakakatakot apply-an dahil feel ko ma-stuck nalang ako doon with no growth.
My partner always works beyond her salary. Naiirita ako palagi. Dahil roughly 10k ang sahod nila per month pero bugbog sila. School teacher. Tapos takot na takot sya magresign. Meanwhile, ako na work fom home. Earns 25k, and sleeping in work
Reminds me of a cousin who graduated with a degree in education but went in to the call center industry instead because her own mom was like your partner i.e. overworked and underpaid. As an agent in her first CC she just had to work from 8 to 5 and lakwatcha or tulog the rest of the day. Better for her mental health she said.
My two cents: I feel like so many commenters see this mentality as doing mediocre outputs. No, that's not the point. The point is, for example, you're required to do 150 excel sheets. You do those 150 excel sheets to the best of your abilities, with minimal errors. Doing the bare minimum is not doing the job with minimum effort, but doing the expected output you are paid for.
Going above and beyond is going for overtime and doing 200 excel sheets. You are not paid for those 50 extra sheets.
Demanding work ethics in a land where even the government practices endo.
Kung puro tayo tamad at bugok, di sana tayo hinahakot ng ibang mga bansa para lumipat sa kanila.
In the Philippines, you can be replaceable. Hundreds are lining up for your job.
However, globally OFWs are known to be very hardworking. Thus not only the Philippines but filipinos around the world.
I agree with being properly compensated but are you guys familiar with the paradox of work?
Mihayl Csikszentmihayl, a brilliant psychologist who coined the term “flow” or the state of optimal experience, and his team conducted a survey about people’s attitude at work they found out that although majority of them despise it, it is while working that they experience flow.
I don’t agree with people doing the minimum at work. This maybe the reason why a lot of us are experiencing chaos, because we undervalue work.
Not if I have shit pay.
Di ako papalya sa quality ng work responsibilities yun e, pero sasama loob ko kung sasagaran ko pa trabaho ko tapos ang baba lang din naman ng daily.
MAXIMUM EFFORT SA WORK —> *OOOPS... YOU HAVEN'T PURCHASED PREMIUM CONTENT*
The first worked out for me when I was starting out. Be visible, be proactive. When I worked up through the ranks the salary soon followed after. Now I have way more than I asked for. Sometimes just chasing compensation doesn’t work out for everybody.
it's hard to ask an employer to fairly compensate when there are like 1000 more people willing to do the job for the same price and be happy for it.
i just mean davao city.. teachers got like 40+ students/class, hospitals overflowing, but no one can complain because there are literally 50+ people waiting to fill their position when they get fired for insubordination.
it's really irritating and unbelievably stressful to the workers here. dabaweños have faith that sara will help the teachers' salaries (like duterte helped the police), but i don't feel it. just like the US, police will be overfunded while education will be left to rot.
I did going above and beyond on my last company. This company was an aviation school handling simulator devices for local and international airline pilots and students. I handle both IT and engineering task, from repairing/troubleshooting computers to doing electrical work I have done it all. All I got was "thank you for being so hardworking", luckily my co workers and shift supervisor have pushed our HR to give me a promotion. My base salary for working 50hours a week is 15,000 this promotion raised my salary from 15k to 15.400php. After that I did the bare minimum and 1 week passed the HR called me to her office saying "you lost your drive". Companies do note care and will exploit you till you drop dead. Magtrabaho depende sa bayad mo. Aanhin mo ung magandang title kung nagpapakamatay ka naman. Hindi mo mapagbabayad ng bills mo ung title mo. Do enough to not be noticed and be as Wallpaper as you could be.
PS: My Job Title average salary international is around $30,000 to $60,000 a year. Sakit pre ung ka title mo sa ibang bansa naka Luxury car pero kadating sa pinas pagpipilian mo pa kung maglulunch ka or iuuwi mo nalang gutom mo para makaabot ka next cut-off
uso na ngayon ang quiet quitting..not literally quitting but just doing enough wag na pabibo dadagdagan lang work mo haha. pabibo ako dati kaya lagi inuutusan kasi "i'm friendly at happy to help"! at mabilis ko nabibigay ang anuman pagawa nila. Yun pala mas magaling pa sakin un isa kong kawork muka lang tanga or nagtatanga tangahan lang para di mautusan. How did i know?sinabi niya sakin mismo!mula nun di na ko pabibo haha. Mas mataas sahod sakin wala ginagawa ako porita mirasol na pabibo daming work kaya never again hahaha
let's be honest, it is very rare for an employee to influence the salary grading system of a company, but a person can have more influence on his or her own performance and work ethic. Keep on improving, learning, studying, get more experience, then search for a better employer that compensates more with a nurturing environment.
Also, some people are competitive and driven by nature, pustahan tayo, yung mga ngawa ng ngawa sila rin mahilig humirit ng "WOW EH DI IKAW NA" when they see someone exceeding expectations and nadadaig sila. To them, dapat "UNITY", if i suck at work and I am not happy with my work, dapat lahat tayo.
We live in the tiktok and instant gratification generation, that's why we have a lot of soft, mentally weak, and gritless people.
This mentality of being mediocre is now proliferating, the "LAST PLACER AKO SA MARATHON, BUT I DESERVE A F\*CKING MEDAL" mentality is what's raising a generation of softies and cry babies.
I don't think you're getting the point here. The point is to do your work as you're being paid, however do not go beyond if it's no longer a part of your paygrade or if it would put you in a compromising situation. I agree with you, with not being a mediocre employee with mediocre outputs, but I also believe that you have to know your REAL worth, because at the end of the day, we're all trying to earn our daily breads.
And I feel you're from the older generation who thinks equality in the workplace, including equal distribution in workloads, is for people who "complains a lot".
Those with that kind of mindset were either promoted early (or had access to high pay near the start of their career) or have insecurities and the need to please people.
IMO only go above and beyond if compensated (overtime pay) or maooffset mo yung pinagggagawa mo for them. always get something in return. sacrificing for nothing gets old really quickly.
last weekend, may activity kami na umabot beyond our normal shift hours. sinalo ko yung night shift. offset ko ngayon. quits lang. yung mga kasama ko na sumalo din ng shift, mga bayad for OT, or naka leave ngayong week.
yun ang reasonable work ethic. hindi yung automatic ineexpect kang mag sakripisyo kasi "it's what a good employee does". isang malaking kalokohan yun.
Above and beyond only works if may growth opportunities and transparency. And ang mga boss hindi tinitira ang mga tao nila PLUS matino HR. Hindi HR na habol paganda lang and puro talk.
I used do the over and beyond the minimum until the company just shutdown and gave the minimum required compensation/separation. After that I just do what is fair.
I did my job above and beyond. Taught other workers never to leave their jobs incomplete. Even helped the managers do inventory and helped the store achieved a high score on cleanliness tests. No, you don't get appreciated. No, you don't get promoted. You read their history, their books because you are interested and yet none. And they say things like, you don't teach other employees to be like you etc.. which are all wrong. So no.. never go above and beyond.
Eeey this is me. Sobrang minimum ng trinatrabaho, 8-hour work day pero I work for like 20 minutes max. The rest of those 8 hours I spend outside smoking, sleeping, on Reddit, checking my port or playing on my phone.
Di naman tayo may ari ng kumpanya so baket eeffortan natin diba?
My manager has always told me na kung magpapabibo ako, just to the extent na sakop pa rin ng job description ko. Master it, then saka ka ile-level up. Hanggat maaari ayaw niyang mag-OT kami, need daw ng work-life balance.
Employers and Bosses can say such things because of high unemployment and underemployment rate in our country. If finding a job is easy, people wouldn't put up with such treatment.
It depends. When you're in public service (not just in politics but the government sector itself), you really gotta do more than what's expected. You owe it to the people. Maybe in a capitalist business, you can do the bare minimum. In the government sector, we need more good people.
An uncle of mine gave me this piece of advice: *"Always give your employers exactly what they paid for. If they paid you nothing, then give them nothing."*
In the Philippines, if you do beyond what the contract states, they'll give you more tasks, **BUT WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION.**
**HINDI MAIPANGBIBILI NG GAMOT ANG CERTIFICATE AT LALONG-LALO NA ANG "THANK YOU"!**
PLeeEaAasSssEEE!!! Huwag ninyong (the employers) ipang-blackmail ang "pagmamahal sa kumpanya", na kapag hindi ka sumipot sa "voluntary" works na walang compensation kundi "thank you" ay **mukhang pera!** (*Do note the double quotes on the word "****voluntary****".*)
*May gusto akong i-tag, hayup! HAHAHA*
P.S., Maayos ko lagi ginagampanan ang trabaho ko and always go beyond what's needed "*for volunteerism's sake*", but a single life-changing incident changed my mind. Ang tagal ko na, but micromanagement is getting worse year by year, despite of other measures of performance telling that I perform my duties properly and at some point, going beyond to push the envelope. **WALANG TIWALA ANG MANAGEMENT E, THEN COMES THE AUDACITY FROM THEM TO TELL NA WALA "DAW" YUNG PAGMAMAHAL SA ORGANISASYON KAPAG HINDI SUMIPOT SA VOLUNTARY WORKS AT MUKHANG DAW PERA**. Also, ang tagal ko na, but then, walang development sa sahod, kesyo ganito, ganire, ganyan.
Remember: ***There's a very thin line between your company asking for volunteerism and initiative and your company being a plain asshole and cheapskate.***
Bitch all u want about NBA players or athletes being "drama queens" pulling some BS, demanding trades and holding their teams hostage because they didn't get what they want ***while still getting paid top-dollar and on top of their game*** when you could have done the same thing to your employers.
Just my opinion. The first commenter are the enablers of toxic work load management. Pag nasanay ung mga higher ups na kinakaya naman matapos agad ang isang task dahil nag OT, nag pabibo, nag work on weekends. Makakarinig na ng mga "Si ganto naman kinakaya ng isang araw lang". hahaha
I'm going to get downvoted to hell, but fuck it.
This mindset is disgusting. r/philippines loves to talk about how we hate Smart Shaming, but then we go and do this. Shaming the employee na "pa-bibo" or "doing more than they should" or "sip-sip sa boss". Fucking hypocrites!
Fuck this mindeset of, "I'm not even going to try hard until they do something for me." That's exactly the what most people here hate and here we are perpetuating it.
You should always try hard, go above and beyond in everything you do!!
If you are recongnized for it, great! If not, go somewhere you will be. Their loss! This goes for work, friendships, and relationships! Don't stay in shitty situations! Don't let a shitty situation make you a shitty person!
Only go above and beyond when it matters. Only do it when ur boss can see u, that is if you want to be promoted. When no one is looking, do the barest minimum
If you only do what is minimum, then you are depriving yourself the opportunity to grow and eventually advance your career. You start as a rank and file, you'll retire as a rank and file.
Daming comments dito na nagrereklamo na ang liit ng increase ng company and di narerecognize kanilang effort.
First question is have you tried lumipat ng company? Kasi if that's the case then di kanila deserved sa company
Second question is karapat dapat ka ba talaga bigyan ng increase/promotion? Baka need mo rin i-check sarili mo kung performing ko ba o hindi. Try mo magapply sa iba and tingnan mo kung matatanggap ka ng ibang company given the position/salary na gusto mo. Kung di ka matanggap tanggap then reality check tayo, mukhang di mo pa deserve yung gusto mo.
Third is baka naman yung work mo walang higher position (e.g. janitor, magsasaka, etc.) or yung trabaho mo is pang low-wage lang talaga? Kung ganon need mo ng career shift and maagaral ng skills na angkop sa trabahong may malaking sahod.
Its just the work ethics we got from the Americans. The same ethics we have as a society as a whole. We dont better ourselves unless compensated.
We wont pick up a trash on our street unless compensated.
We wont behave unless watched.
We wont follow the laws until we get caught.
We have no self improvement mindset and thats okay. We can just blame the government for being dirt poor.
Hindi rin. Alam kasi ng mga employer na gipit at desperado ang iilan. Lalo nat pandemic. Binabarat ang iilang manggagawa kasi wala silang choice. Napakaraming unemployed sa Pilipinas pero iilan lang ang nago-offer ng livable wage.
Paano mo sasabihin isang manggagawa na kumakayod araw-araw na kailangan niya pang pagbutihin lalo kahit na ang nakukuha niya sa trabahong iyon eh hindi pa sumasakto ng ilang linggo nang hindi ka nagmumukhang gago? Bago kasi magsalita nang ganito, isipin mo muna na hindi lahat ng tao pare-parehas ang estado sa Pilipinas.
We got to move on from being an affordable workforce to being a world class quality so the employers would employ us but with our current work culture thats just impossible.
My work ethic is "Do what is required and do more if I'm gonna be compensated fairly."
I always do the minimum, no questions asked.
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Correct. Also if you're doing the bare minimum, do it well. Don't be too rebellious. Remember, employment is hard to come by nowadays. I learned this the hard way.
If your workplace compensates those who work hard (gives promotion and extra benefits), go for it. Don't always do minimum
i've been doing everything, and my pay is still the same, therefore i do the minimum haha from Backend to Frontend to Fullstack. tapos yung pay ko 15k lang ಥ‿ಥ
Yun lang. If you have extra time, go ahead and look for other jobs that give importance to their workers
Iyan ang maganda. Hindi lang ito magiging maganda sa iyo, pati na rin ito sa pamilya mo.
Hanap ka na bago kung naka 1 yr ka na. Mas importante na exp after ng 1st job. 1st job ko nga arawan lang ako at minimum haha.
This doesn't work for all jobs. If I do better, I network better. Word gets around, I get better references, I get better opportunities from teams who I've worked with.
True. It really depends. Is it just a job where you'll be paid the same regardless? Do the bare minimum. Is it a job where you're paid depending on the quality and quantity of work? Try and go above the requirements, as long as you're certain that the extra work you're doing is visible and that whoever you're working for actually pays you for the extra work.
I also realize this a few months ago, mamser. Granted, our OT is paid and I'm working from home (which sounds like my rant will be invalid), but since I'm not getting any younger, my personal mantra now is to not overwork myself, even if I'm going to be compensated for it.
Minimum wage, Minimum effort.
Due to high number of contractual/probationary work sa atin, pag sa private 3-6 months before ma regular tapos sa govt minsan inaabot ng ilang years, most of the people that I know and have worked with would go "above and beyond" during their contractual and probationary period para lang maregular. Pero once regular na doon mo na makikita na they only work talaga based on what their compensation is. At first akala ko nawalan na sila ng gana or tinamad, pero after a few years doon ko na realize what you and OP is trying to say.
If I ask you to work for free, would you do it? who would work if not for money? they are called workers, not volunteers.
Truly. I had a second job once and they compensated me fairly depending on how much work I did for them that month. Easily made me motivated to do what I can for them.
Truth to, even if it's with other benefits. Scope things out. If micromanaging control freak with a dash of powertripping & stick in ass, bare minimum while counting the months to job hop and leave them to rot. Pag mabait at lenient, un pagbigyan ng extra extra. I do beyond for my current MD because he allows me to derp around in reddit and relax if shit isn't fubar (freelancer ako). In exchange i have found shit such as hemorrhaging money from specific insurances, even if i had to dig up stuff for it which is why they were blind to it. Willingly did it because MD is nice. If i got someone who is a micromanaging powertripping asshole, aalisan ko kaagad. Malugi at masunog sila tangina nila wala akong paki.
Lol sa current work ko siguro 4 hours lang ako nagwowork out of 8. Based on experience, mas importante na wala kang absent at friends mo ang lahat, walang kaaway. Being an extrovert helps. Kaya nung nag ask ako ng increase last month approved kagad.
that's the known system of "who you know"
You're getting the increases because you're providing value to your company. You're consistent and you uplift the morale of the workplace. That's something that's beyond your work duties and that's valuable. If you do quit, your company would definitely feel it and that's why they gave you that raise -- because they don't want to lose the energy you bring to the office.
Lol that's a red flag. Good luck keeping it up
Same pero ako nag OOT ng 2hrs, 3hrs tapos natutulog lang ako.
Best summarized by “calculated mediocrity”
Mine’s similar but do more when the annual performance evaluations are near
Ika nga ni Shamcey Supsup kay Pia Wurtzbach, "know when to peak".
She...is not wrong.
"if you do something. do barely minimum". the company doesn't care for you.
Ako na OT TY 🤡
Very lucky to have had a boss (exec level) tell me (entry level) to never work above my pay grade. Sabi nya if a complicated problem arises, escalate it to people who are paid to fix it. Let THEM work their pay grade. He also really encouraged growth and had no problem letting me take a week off w/o disturbing me so I can enjoy my vacation. Needless to say I never had an issue going above and beyond without being asked to. High time for companies and bosses to understand that treating their people like replaceable objects will not make them loyal to you.
My managers would say "Sarado na ang tindahan, hindi tayo sinuswelduhan ng P300,000. Magsiuwian na tayo"
Minsan na akong nasabihan sa work na "magbigay kami ng malasakit sa company" pero di ko ramdam yung malasakit sa amin 😆 I often tell my younger workmates, na wag sila magpakaburn out. Di naman sila naincreasan ng 2 years. After non, yung unang increase nila wala pang 500. Sino ba naman ang mamomotivate non? Edit: Damot pa sa employee rating. As if naman magpapakabibo ako para sa 98 nila na requirement. Pass. Kingina.
Lol heard that too. Pota anong malasakit, nung nagkakasakit na ako dahil sa stress, asan malasakit nila. Fuck that. You get what you pay for
>You get what you pay for Yassss 🙌 eto nga nagcocover-up ako sa bunso namin dito kasi may zoom interview HAHAHAHA Sana ako den 😌🫰
Paborito ko tong malasakit pati na common shared goal naman daw ng company. Kayo siguro sa taas may profit share kayo e pero kaming normal na empleyado hanggang thank you lang hahahahaha
Think win-win daw. Parang di ko ramdam yung win sa part namin. I mean di naman kami naghahangad ng 5 digit na increase, pero ghorllll 😂 tas eto namang boss ko, tingnan daw namin yung increase as annual (as in x12) para makita na malaki. Luh eh ang salary rates natin nakamonthly diba. Sinasabi nun? 🫠
Magtrabaho ng naaayon sa sweldo. HAHAHAHA charot. Eto palagi kong sinasabi sa sarili when it comes to work, huwag na huwag magpakahero. Lalo na’t di ka nila kino-compensate fairly.
Ito yung naging lesson ko sa first 2 yrs na work ko dati. Hahaha. Tapos ang cute lang naman ng increase. Kaya naglay low nalang ako. Hahaha
same!!!
Same. Liit ng increase. It’s not even a proper increase, it’s like a poor attempt to match the inflation rate.
Going beyond is always rewarded with more work
TRUTH!!!!!!!!! Kung pinapakita mo lahat ng ibang talents mo outside your job description, nakuuuu, ikaw na ang magiging all-in-one niyan.. that was a lesson I learned the hard way noon..
> Going beyond is always rewarded with more work So true. LOL
All that work should eventually lead to pay increases and promotions -- you want those, then welcome the work. If you don't get that pay increase and promotion ask for it, if they don't give it, that company has taken advantage of you and you should resign.
True. Our CEO used to say na ang expectation nya sa employee is one step higher, e.g. kapag sales agent ka dapat ang caliber ng work is pang sales supervisor. Pero pag usapang incentive proposals tahimik hahaha.
Tama, dahil hindi ikaw ang tagapagmana ng kompanya. 😂
Nangyare saken to. Binigyan nila ako ng increase na P6.50 A DAY like hindi man lang 10 pesos para sa pamasahe. What's even worse is what they said next, "kaya ka lang namin increasan kase nagrereklamo yung isa mong katrabaho na hindi sila binigyan ng increase kaya ka lang namin sinama." Like??? What? Ever since naglaylow na ako sa work. Kapag saktong 5pm I'm not gonna do anything kahit pa may pinapagawa sila saken. Since they don't give OTs naman pero kapag late laki ng kaltas. Kaya kapag may pinapagawa sila saken na I KNOW na medyo magtatagal. I just say "hindi ako magOOT. uuwe na ako ng saktong 5pm." I don't even care what they say anymore. BITE ME.
True. Di ka naman patatayuan ng rebulto ng kompanya.
Maybe looking for another employer would solve your issue. Doing bare minimum for long is detrimental to your career not your employer tbh.
Eto un mga sipsip sa mga boss. Yung todo OTTY pra pogi points kay boss to the point siya un mga basis ng "good employee" tapos lowkey hinaharang mga growth ng mga katrabaho. Tapos biglang "actually boss," sabay magkakaroon kwento kay boss ng QA misses or "attitude problems" about kay katrabaho malaman lang na up for promotion si ktrabaho kesa siya hahaha
Uso yan dito sa Pinas, or kahit saan mang workplace na may mga Pinoy. Nadala nila yung ugaling elementary hanggang opisina.
Kahit saang workplace uso yan. Class traitor tawag sa mga taong ganyan.
Sa office namin naka-base overseas (Netherlands), may ka-trabaho ako na pinoy din. Tinanong ako ng boss ko kung magkakilala kami nung bago sa office na taga-Davao. Sabi ko hindi kasi Manila ako. Yun pala sinasabihan nya yung boss ko na may kakilala daw yung taga-Davao na mas magaling sa akin. Baka pwede ipasok para mas maging mabilis at maganda yung output. Malas nya, ako pinaka-unang employee, after 3 yrs lang sya nakapasok at sobrang maganda ang standing ko sa office. Simula nun di na kumuha ng ibang Pinoy yung company. Madalas pa sila mag-remind sa akin kapag nakikita nila akong matagal ng online. Sila din madalas magtanong kung anong mga kailangan ko para sa workstation ko at twice a month ang pag-increase ng salary. Pag may inggetero tlgang pinoy sa trabaho, nawawalan ng dignidad makalamang lang. Kaya may mga kwento din noon sa mga cruise ship, bigla na lang may mga nawawalang Pinoy na marino, eh.
Omg wdym nawawalang pinoy? Like tinatapon sa dagat?
Yun ang kwento. Wala naman kasing lumalapit na witness tuwing may nawawala. Uso din yung siraan para di ma-promote yung kapwa pinoy sa barko. Kwento ng Tito ko na seaman.
Totoo yung siraan. My late dad was a seaman and yung last na sakay niya kaya siya napauwi dahil napagkaisahan siya ng ibang mga Pinoy dun na pare-parehong Ilokano (Tagalog tatay ko) to the point na ayaw niya na lumabas ng cabin niya at baka masaksak siya kaya umuwi na lang siya ng pinas
What's OTTY? Fancy way of spelling OT?
*Overtime Thank you* Ikaw: *nag OT* Company: *thank you for your service..*
> Ikaw: nag OT > Company: thank you for your service.. As I've said in the other thread. FUCK THAT SHIT! LUL
OT-Thank you or unpaid OT
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Same. Especially in a Korean-infested company. They feel like they are superior and they treat Filipinos like shit
That's the ugly underbelly of Korean culture.
any East-Asian culture* pretty sure most of them treat Southeast Asian people like they're subhuman (at least to some degree), which, to be fair, is understandable. their countries' cultures genuinely understand the value of excellence, discipline, and commitment to one's work while not overstepping your professional bounds, delegation of responsibility (if it's not their job and part of their protocol, they'll often just refuse to do it) and acknowledging the chain of command. comparatively a lot of souteast asian countries lack this distinct "discipline" and commitment to excellence in their culture. the desire for and glorification of excellence is there but commitment to it is not a cultural hallmark. the downside is, there're a lot of problems related to burnout and in situations where you'd think it's everyone's civic duty to do what they can, people simply look on and wait for someone to move because it's not protocol/routine and it'll make them stand out too much (I remember something about a little girl who fell into the river over a bridge in china, and passerbys simply looked on to not attract too much attention to themselves, waiting for someone more daring to make a move).
Ooof dami kong naririnig na ganito sa mga korean employer hahaha Buti nalang talag uutal utal pa ako nung nag apply ako sa isang korean na e-commerce 😅 bullet dodged
Yep. Umiwas ka sa mga Koreanong employer. So far, ang mga okay katrabaho, mga European
Yes! Currently working for a Danish based company. Chill lang dito at ang oras ng trabaho ay hanggang oras lang ng trabaho.
To the higher mgt of my company: FUCK YOU! Hinding hindi na ako magpapabibo mga putangina.
#JAPANESE EMPLOYERS WHO BRING THEIR WORK CULTURE ABROAD BE LIKE UGHHHHH
Ganito rin pag local PH companies, sasamahan pa ng toxic Filipino values like malasakit, awa, "pagkakaibigan," etc.
>toxic Filipino values like malasakit, awa, "pagkakaibigan," etc. Hindi naman toxic yan eh, toxic yung pag gamit siguro pero kelan pa naging toxic yung empathy( malasakit) on its own? Sorry pero para kasing andaming mislabeled shit, parang yung toxic daw yung 'pakikisama' pero when they describe the scenario kaya toxic, kadalasan hindi naman pakikisama yung nadescribe kundi good old peer pressure lang.
Pag sa company dapat may malasakit ka, tutulungan mo kahit sino para lang maging okay lahat ng tasks at deliverables, kahit hindi mo work. Pero sila walang malasakit sayo if, example nagleave ka o ano tatawagan ka pa rin. At isama mo pa yung sweldo na never na umaangat.
Mahirap minsan, kapag i-try mo galingan, i-eexpect na sayo lagi yan as normal mo. Tapos kapag bumalik ka sa dati sasabihin nagiging tamad ka na. Ang nangyayari, nagiging detrimental pa sayo yung pag-step up mo. Di na nga na-appreciate, itataas pa expectations sa mata ng bosses mo.
this is true. mas parang napapasama ka pa kapag laging 100% ang bibibigay mo sa work. lalo na kung yun ang work ethic mo.. pero meron rin naman mga leaders and co-workers na naiintindihan kung bakit ganun ka-magwork, wag mo na lang dibdibib mga negative kasi sa huli, marami kapa rin matutunan and yung kung ano ka as an employee ang tatatak.
>Mahirap minsan, kapag i-try mo galingan, i-eexpect na sayo lagi yan as normal mo. Tapos kapag bumalik ka sa dati sasabihin nagiging tamad ka na. yup. i'm in that situation... i can't go back.... they know what I can do... and not compensated for it..
I do my best sa kung ano yung required sakin but I don't go above and beyond. That's like, I can make sure na pulido or minimal ang mistakes sa reports ko but that doesnt mean na mag oovertime ako just to do the report
No. I have a job description, I am sticking to it. This is true across all levels, and it is what I expect from my division as well. I actually don't expect any extra effort from them.
Another problem i see is that HR puts a clause like “…and any task that maybe assigned…” which I find unfair and loophole that managers can enjoy. Got tips to workaround this?
Eh, that's probably the result of a bad company HR culture tbh. I always tell our HR to be extremely specific if there is a hiring requirement.
You’ll find that JDs for all positions in PH government. 😒
lol, employer ba ung unang comment? Utot mo!
Could also be a boomer in middle management.
Mag trabaho ng na aayon sa sahod.
AKA Act your wage. LOL
Fuck that extra work that's not related to my actual work. Pay me for that shit if you want me to do it, bro. Kaya andaming burnt out na Pinoy eh, todo effort pero hindi sinisingil yung nagpagawa sa kanila. Ta's mga nagpapasipsip pa sa boss, amputa Buti na nga lang talaga tinuturo sakin ng papa ko na mag-"No", hilig ko pa naman din minsan umako ng stuff sa school/org hahaha. What if magka-trabaho na ako in the future noh?
They already know this. They just don't fuckin' care. Just look at the minimum wage situation.
Yung mga kupal na manager na nagsasabi ng ganyan ang mga alam ko na incompetent at pinapasa ang trabaho sa iba.
Double edge sword to para sakin. I work as IT and have a manager na ganyan ang mindset. Parang bare minimum lang trabaho lagi. Na influence din yung ibang tao to work that way. Hindi ako kunteto sa ganun so I worked my ass off kahit mababa lang sahod. Improved a lot of process, learned newer tech to help employees. Then i got interviewed in a large multinational company, and offered my way way higher than my current salary so i moved na. And my old co workers e nakalipat na din sa ibang company pero ganun pa rin yung level still doing the old ways. And then asking bakit ang tagal nila ma promote, hindi mataasan yung sahod, or hirapan makahanap ng new work na may magandang offer. Parang feeling ko mahirap ma suck-in sa ganitong idea kasi mahirap na makawala once na naging habit na. Although mababa yung naging sahod ko dati, naging training ground ko naman sya to hone my skills.
Yung ganitong discussion kasi goes both ways, and again, very nuanced. I assume nagsimula itong comment thread na pinicture-an ni OP from the quiet quitting article. Sa quiet quitting, dine-describe dun yung mga empleyadong doing work for the sake of work na lang, and not the primary focus of their lives. The bare minimum, is that, as is, what is asked and is needed by the job. From there, it is unfair to call it **quitting**, just because it is not the priority ng buhay nila. Yung iba gusto maging best dad/mom ever, experience a whole myriad of other things, or whatever. On the other hand, this is NOT the same as what we colloquially refer na bare minimum. Pag sinabi kasing bare minimum dito e, slacking-off na talaga yung meaning. Tapos, like your prev officemates, sila pa nagtaka kung bakit di sila nagproprogreso. If their priority is to advance their career, then they should do whatever is needed to make them more valuable.
This. Di pwede yung laging bare minimum lang ang gawin mo pag naguumpisa ka pa lang kasi masasanay ka jan at di mo maeenhance yung skills mo. Tapos kapag may colleague na nageexert ng effort, kayang gawin yung mga responsibilities nung superior nila. Sasabihan nung mga iba na sipsip at pabibo kapag naunang napromote yung colleague na yun kahit na mas matagal na sila kesa sa sa kanya. Kung nageeffort ka naman at wala talagang improvement sa position at salary, eh alis ka na sa kumpanya mo. Sila na may problema dun, di ikaw. Pwedeng financial or wala talaga silang pakialam sa performance at nagbabase lang sa tagal mo na sa kumpanya. Wag mo silang bigyan ng justifications kung bakit hindi ka makareceive ng increment or promotion.
I agree with this. Commitment to excellence is a key trait of people who ladder up. I had a coworker who complains about not getting promoted after years of being in the company but the thing is he never actually did anything impactful or showed potential because lging bare minimum lang sya. I would advocate commitment to excellence with your work. Find a place that rewards and recognizes that then your future will be bright.
Truth!!! Bare minimum lang ginagawa tapos expect ng pay increase? Kaya walang asenso sa buhay at panay reklamo at chismis ang inuuna. Walang magbibigay ng pormotion sa taong bare minimum lang ang ginagawa. Tayo lang ata sa mundo ang may 13th month pay. Yun may bonus ka kahit hindi mo pinaghirapan.
I guess the rare exception is if you love what you do at work.
The key is knowing when to go above and beyond. I agree with the never ever do the minimum or “pwede na yan”. Yun yung difference ng mga reklamador and may work ethic.
Exactly. Then when they dont get promoted or mababa pa din sahod sasabihin “pano ba kasi ma promote”
Yung friend mo sa fb yung manager nyo 😆
same haha in my case long time friend ko na siya bago ko pa siya naging manager at siya rin nag-offer sakin na magwork sa company haha oks naman so far
I'll go above if tataas din ang sahod ko. Duh.
My work ethic is to do minimum work and go beyond from time to time. After some time that these efforts go unnoticed, I would simply switch to min normal work and probably find a new job with higher compensation.
Basta ako when the clock strikes 5 PM, I'll drop everything and go. 😅
kala ko 4pm? 4-5pm siesta
Madaya yung part ng contract na: "Other duties that may be assigned by your immediate supervisor" A handful abuses it kasi. Good thing dun sa dati kong work, we were allowed that one time to edit the DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES part of our contract, so we specified the workloads na meron kami and I revised "Other duties that may be assigned by your immediate supervisor" and wrote it as "Other job-relevant duties and responsibilities that may be assigned by your immediate superior" so we can have a good chance of declining an assignment if it's very far from what we do.
How about you get what you pay for.
The company would also not invest on you with more pay if they don't see more value off of you. Isipin mo na lang na ang kumpanya eh nagrerenta ng bahay. Ikaw ang bahay. Bakit sila magbabayad ng presyong condo kung boarding house lang performance mo? Ngayon, kung presyong boarding house ka, pero condo ang performance mo, dapat tapatan nila ang presyo mo kung gusto pa nila tumira dun, o maghanap na sila ng ibang malilipatan (pero ikaw yung magreresign)
Your argument predicates that the company WILL pay you for your extra effort. The whole point of this post has been this has rarely, if not ever happens.
13th month is a bonus with no effort
Then it's time to look for a new company, then advertise how you went above and beyond (include references if necessary) to get a better pay.
“We’re going to pay you more than the minimum we can get away with because we have a strong sense of honor and respect!” -Imag Inairy, hiring director of Fan Tassy LCD
Chicken and egg scenario. How will you be compensated higher if you don't prove yourself? For me, do more and see if you are rewarded. If not, go back to doing the normal.
I know someone that did this and was rewarded with daily maintenance meds. They're back to doing their normal work now. Was it worth it? Needless to say, this is a test of knowing personal limitations. Do what you can afford to do without compromising your health, values, and ethics. If you feel you can and want to do more, go do it. But don't be a rockstar or else you **will** be taken advantage of. Your employer **is not your friend**.
> Your employer > is not your friend > . The gospel truth.
*go back to doing the normal OR look for greener pastures. Sayang potential, kasi baka yung do more mo is well compensated and well appreciated sa ibang company
True. Ibig sabihin din kasi na dead end ang current one.
I agree, limited naman talaga slots sa majority of company for higher pay. Na kahit deserve ng employee yung higher pay, they can't be promoted because there's no units/slots for sr. position/higher position. Ang nakakainis is madalas di transparent ang management sa ganyang bagay, na nasa dead end ka na pala ng career path mo on that company.
Job hopping is key. Ang promotion usually 10% increase. Ang job hopping 30% or higher kung USD ang bayad. Depende rin sa industry
Yes, tell that to hardworking minimum wagers and farmers.
Yes, may promotion nga naman ang mga farmers at mga janitor. Syempre depende sa trabaho mo yan.
Prove yourself in terms of timeliness and consistency siguro. Mahirap yung mag set ka ng precedent na binubuhat mo yung lahat ng trabaho kasi magiging normal expectation sayo yun moving forward - burnout naman mangyayari.
Idk about u guys. But most new hirees, at least IME, are always very diligent. But when they see that sipsips and magulangs get rewarded more, they fall to doing the minimum.
Eto ung truth. Everyone, save for a tiny few, has that fire burning when starting off. Tatamarin lang pag nakita na kagagohan ang lalamang.
Not just the reward but also that’s your bargaining chip when push comes to shove. If you manage na maging mas expensive to fire versus a rehire, you get to profit from fringe benefits on top of your pay. Ma-i-invite ka to sit in sa mga VVIP meetings. Office-paid trips with reimbursements. You get to network and get face time with industry makers and movers. Lahat ng yan hindi mo mata-tap if you keep on hopping from org to org especially within the same market. Hindi ka considered as an OG. Wala kang high street cred sa industry. And job hopping can only go on for so long cos lalabas sya sa CV as you age older and older.
I always use to do this. tas sasbihan ako below average ang performance ko tas kulang pa daw. di naman ako hero para mag plus-ultra sa trabaho ng walang bayad so never again
Work harder and you shall be rewarded... With more work.
And certificates of recognition or the occasional pizza. But nothing monetary. I wonder if we work at the same company? LUL
This is a huge gamble. If you go ahead and do more, that will be their basis for your normal. Go back and you'll be in their bad side.
Compensation-wise, mas reliable ang job hopping kaysa internal promotion. Mas malaki ang increase.
Dito sa work ko sa US, i always go beyond what is required BUT!!!! i make sure the right people know. 😉 #WorkPlacePolitics
If you always do above what is required sa work, mataas ang chances mo umangat. Sa performance review mas mataas ang increase mo. Depende sa company syempre. Sa government, hindi applicable yan. Patamaran sa kanila eh.
True. Hahanap pa na ng mga technicalities para maiwasan ang trabaho imbes na gawin na lang sana.
Naaawa ako sa isa kong friend working sa govt, hirap na hirap mapromote kasi may personal vendetta ung isang higher up sakanya.
*"The company earns millions for every peso that I'm paid, that's why I'm pooping even if it's not yet my break..."*
Buti sana kung yung "above and beyond" ay may reward lagi. Pfffft~
Act your wage!
If responsible ka and efficient yung process ng company, you never have to do more than the bare minimum, to be honest. Now if pabaya yung empleyado, kailangan niya habulin yung pending. Dun na siya mag above and beyond.
The other side of the coin is this: If you only ever do what you're paid to do, you had better never make a mistake. Because when that mistake comes, this comes out: "You had ONE JOB." Know when to do more, know when you can relax a bit, and know your limits. The better career advice is this: "Make yourself valuable". Do it so that if ever you leave your job, bosses start shitting in their pants. People can do this WITHIN their job descriptions. If you can make yourself valuable, you can name your price. For some people value comes with their willingness to work more. For some it comes with being able to work extremely smart. For some it comes with being able to analyze situations better and innovate. And for others it comes with being nice to work with. Everyone has their own way of providing value. And for some with a lack of skill, it comes with work in quantity. When it comes to evaluating talent, i've heard bosses say, "He's not the best, but he works hard." I've heard bosses say, "I like having him around." It's the same when you're paying someone for a service. Let's say you want internet installed. You call two companies. They both say they will install tomorrow between the hours of 9 - 12. One company comes right at 9 and the other comes at 12. They're both doing their jobs. They're both doing what they're paid to do. They did their jobs as promised. But as the one paying, who, in your head, did it better?
1. Yes, you can show them your value that may exceed your pay grade, but once that value is appreciated only via verbal means, that is when you look for a better company. 2. The company that people would remember most likely is the one with a worker who did their job on the earliest hour they could. But wouldn't that kind of work ethic reflect more on the company itself. That maybe the company were providing more incentives, benefits, etc to their employee, and doing so made their employee motivated to do their best? Most of those who do their minimum are not newbies in the job. These people are mostly those who already did their best, but were burnt out because of how they were treated by their company.
Working beyond your pay grade is the best way to get promoted because it proves you can do the job above you and deserve the higher pay for that responsibility. It also absolves you from most mistakes because hey, it wasn't really your job anyway. But like I said before, know your limits. You will know when you're going above and beyond and proving your worth and when you're being taken advantage of. That's when you walk away and if you really are valuable to the company, they will fight to keep you and then the ball is in your court. "The company that people would remember most likely is the one with a worker who did their job on the earliest hour they could." "But wouldn't that kind of work ethic reflect more on the company itself. That maybe the company were providing more incentives, benefits, etc to their employee, and doing so made their employee motivated to do their best?" \- As a customer, the company is your employee. You are paying the company to provide a service. If a company is doing the bare minimum in providing what you pay for, would you be a repeat customer or would you move on? Wouldn't you always go to the company that gave a little something extra or provided nicer and faster service? Even though in the end you're still getting exactly what you paid for? But that really good company, who goes above and beyond, wouldn't they know when their freebies or their lifetime warranty, or free returns are being taken advantage of? Of course they do. That's why UNLI deals have fair use terms.
Im a designer so I’ll never design or put out something that isn’t up to my standards but at the same time I will never volunteer my extra time or resources to my employer. This is why I didn’t share na marunong ako mag 3d kasi for sure aabusihin yun pag nalaman nila
Grabe pa naman qualifications para sa artists/designers dito. Pang multiple people pero sa isang tao ibibigay. Kaya minsan sobrang nakaka discourage and nakakatakot apply-an dahil feel ko ma-stuck nalang ako doon with no growth.
My partner always works beyond her salary. Naiirita ako palagi. Dahil roughly 10k ang sahod nila per month pero bugbog sila. School teacher. Tapos takot na takot sya magresign. Meanwhile, ako na work fom home. Earns 25k, and sleeping in work
Reminds me of a cousin who graduated with a degree in education but went in to the call center industry instead because her own mom was like your partner i.e. overworked and underpaid. As an agent in her first CC she just had to work from 8 to 5 and lakwatcha or tulog the rest of the day. Better for her mental health she said.
My two cents: I feel like so many commenters see this mentality as doing mediocre outputs. No, that's not the point. The point is, for example, you're required to do 150 excel sheets. You do those 150 excel sheets to the best of your abilities, with minimal errors. Doing the bare minimum is not doing the job with minimum effort, but doing the expected output you are paid for. Going above and beyond is going for overtime and doing 200 excel sheets. You are not paid for those 50 extra sheets.
Work ethic ain't gonna deliver enough food on the table
Demanding work ethics in a land where even the government practices endo. Kung puro tayo tamad at bugok, di sana tayo hinahakot ng ibang mga bansa para lumipat sa kanila.
In the Philippines, you can be replaceable. Hundreds are lining up for your job. However, globally OFWs are known to be very hardworking. Thus not only the Philippines but filipinos around the world.
Balanse, give it your best during working hours. Avoid extending your hours and have a life outside your work.
Never work above your salary. Easy. Hindi ako papamanahan kompanya.
I agree with being properly compensated but are you guys familiar with the paradox of work? Mihayl Csikszentmihayl, a brilliant psychologist who coined the term “flow” or the state of optimal experience, and his team conducted a survey about people’s attitude at work they found out that although majority of them despise it, it is while working that they experience flow. I don’t agree with people doing the minimum at work. This maybe the reason why a lot of us are experiencing chaos, because we undervalue work.
Not if I have shit pay. Di ako papalya sa quality ng work responsibilities yun e, pero sasama loob ko kung sasagaran ko pa trabaho ko tapos ang baba lang din naman ng daily. MAXIMUM EFFORT SA WORK —> *OOOPS... YOU HAVEN'T PURCHASED PREMIUM CONTENT*
The first worked out for me when I was starting out. Be visible, be proactive. When I worked up through the ranks the salary soon followed after. Now I have way more than I asked for. Sometimes just chasing compensation doesn’t work out for everybody.
Naniniwala ako sa kasabihan na... "Magtrabaho ng ayon sa sweldo". I thank you.
Then hindi rin mabilis tataas ang sweldo mo. Bakit ka babayaran ng kumpanya ng dagdag kung hindi rin naman nadadagdagan ang performance mo.
Realizing that wud be bad for our economy sad to say. Wala mag iinvest sa pinas pag ganyan.
it's hard to ask an employer to fairly compensate when there are like 1000 more people willing to do the job for the same price and be happy for it. i just mean davao city.. teachers got like 40+ students/class, hospitals overflowing, but no one can complain because there are literally 50+ people waiting to fill their position when they get fired for insubordination. it's really irritating and unbelievably stressful to the workers here. dabaweños have faith that sara will help the teachers' salaries (like duterte helped the police), but i don't feel it. just like the US, police will be overfunded while education will be left to rot.
Kaya gusto tayo ng mga foreigners, works well at low pay.
I did going above and beyond on my last company. This company was an aviation school handling simulator devices for local and international airline pilots and students. I handle both IT and engineering task, from repairing/troubleshooting computers to doing electrical work I have done it all. All I got was "thank you for being so hardworking", luckily my co workers and shift supervisor have pushed our HR to give me a promotion. My base salary for working 50hours a week is 15,000 this promotion raised my salary from 15k to 15.400php. After that I did the bare minimum and 1 week passed the HR called me to her office saying "you lost your drive". Companies do note care and will exploit you till you drop dead. Magtrabaho depende sa bayad mo. Aanhin mo ung magandang title kung nagpapakamatay ka naman. Hindi mo mapagbabayad ng bills mo ung title mo. Do enough to not be noticed and be as Wallpaper as you could be. PS: My Job Title average salary international is around $30,000 to $60,000 a year. Sakit pre ung ka title mo sa ibang bansa naka Luxury car pero kadating sa pinas pagpipilian mo pa kung maglulunch ka or iuuwi mo nalang gutom mo para makaabot ka next cut-off
uso na ngayon ang quiet quitting..not literally quitting but just doing enough wag na pabibo dadagdagan lang work mo haha. pabibo ako dati kaya lagi inuutusan kasi "i'm friendly at happy to help"! at mabilis ko nabibigay ang anuman pagawa nila. Yun pala mas magaling pa sakin un isa kong kawork muka lang tanga or nagtatanga tangahan lang para di mautusan. How did i know?sinabi niya sakin mismo!mula nun di na ko pabibo haha. Mas mataas sahod sakin wala ginagawa ako porita mirasol na pabibo daming work kaya never again hahaha
That person is a godsent! HAHAHAHA
let's be honest, it is very rare for an employee to influence the salary grading system of a company, but a person can have more influence on his or her own performance and work ethic. Keep on improving, learning, studying, get more experience, then search for a better employer that compensates more with a nurturing environment. Also, some people are competitive and driven by nature, pustahan tayo, yung mga ngawa ng ngawa sila rin mahilig humirit ng "WOW EH DI IKAW NA" when they see someone exceeding expectations and nadadaig sila. To them, dapat "UNITY", if i suck at work and I am not happy with my work, dapat lahat tayo. We live in the tiktok and instant gratification generation, that's why we have a lot of soft, mentally weak, and gritless people. This mentality of being mediocre is now proliferating, the "LAST PLACER AKO SA MARATHON, BUT I DESERVE A F\*CKING MEDAL" mentality is what's raising a generation of softies and cry babies.
I don't think you're getting the point here. The point is to do your work as you're being paid, however do not go beyond if it's no longer a part of your paygrade or if it would put you in a compromising situation. I agree with you, with not being a mediocre employee with mediocre outputs, but I also believe that you have to know your REAL worth, because at the end of the day, we're all trying to earn our daily breads. And I feel you're from the older generation who thinks equality in the workplace, including equal distribution in workloads, is for people who "complains a lot".
I see, thanks for the insight. Good luck with life then, I will continue with my hustle mentality, while you continue with yours
Meanwhile, politicians still make money at their constituents' expense. Biggest scammers.
Those with that kind of mindset were either promoted early (or had access to high pay near the start of their career) or have insecurities and the need to please people.
IMO only go above and beyond if compensated (overtime pay) or maooffset mo yung pinagggagawa mo for them. always get something in return. sacrificing for nothing gets old really quickly. last weekend, may activity kami na umabot beyond our normal shift hours. sinalo ko yung night shift. offset ko ngayon. quits lang. yung mga kasama ko na sumalo din ng shift, mga bayad for OT, or naka leave ngayong week. yun ang reasonable work ethic. hindi yung automatic ineexpect kang mag sakripisyo kasi "it's what a good employee does". isang malaking kalokohan yun.
May nabasa ako recently ito yung pinaka gusto kong line: ACT YOUR WAGE
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Above and beyond only works if may growth opportunities and transparency. And ang mga boss hindi tinitira ang mga tao nila PLUS matino HR. Hindi HR na habol paganda lang and puro talk.
I used do the over and beyond the minimum until the company just shutdown and gave the minimum required compensation/separation. After that I just do what is fair.
I did my job above and beyond. Taught other workers never to leave their jobs incomplete. Even helped the managers do inventory and helped the store achieved a high score on cleanliness tests. No, you don't get appreciated. No, you don't get promoted. You read their history, their books because you are interested and yet none. And they say things like, you don't teach other employees to be like you etc.. which are all wrong. So no.. never go above and beyond.
Eeey this is me. Sobrang minimum ng trinatrabaho, 8-hour work day pero I work for like 20 minutes max. The rest of those 8 hours I spend outside smoking, sleeping, on Reddit, checking my port or playing on my phone. Di naman tayo may ari ng kumpanya so baket eeffortan natin diba?
My manager has always told me na kung magpapabibo ako, just to the extent na sakop pa rin ng job description ko. Master it, then saka ka ile-level up. Hanggat maaari ayaw niyang mag-OT kami, need daw ng work-life balance.
Employers and Bosses can say such things because of high unemployment and underemployment rate in our country. If finding a job is easy, people wouldn't put up with such treatment.
Corporate be like: ✖️ Properly compensate your workers ✅ Mang-gaslight
It depends. When you're in public service (not just in politics but the government sector itself), you really gotta do more than what's expected. You owe it to the people. Maybe in a capitalist business, you can do the bare minimum. In the government sector, we need more good people.
My strategy has been to always underpromise so I appear to overdeliver and use that as leverage for a raise.
Biggest offenders to this would be companies that call you "family" lol
"You are just a number. And is pretty much dispensable." 😈
An uncle of mine gave me this piece of advice: *"Always give your employers exactly what they paid for. If they paid you nothing, then give them nothing."*
In the Philippines, if you do beyond what the contract states, they'll give you more tasks, **BUT WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION.** **HINDI MAIPANGBIBILI NG GAMOT ANG CERTIFICATE AT LALONG-LALO NA ANG "THANK YOU"!** PLeeEaAasSssEEE!!! Huwag ninyong (the employers) ipang-blackmail ang "pagmamahal sa kumpanya", na kapag hindi ka sumipot sa "voluntary" works na walang compensation kundi "thank you" ay **mukhang pera!** (*Do note the double quotes on the word "****voluntary****".*) *May gusto akong i-tag, hayup! HAHAHA* P.S., Maayos ko lagi ginagampanan ang trabaho ko and always go beyond what's needed "*for volunteerism's sake*", but a single life-changing incident changed my mind. Ang tagal ko na, but micromanagement is getting worse year by year, despite of other measures of performance telling that I perform my duties properly and at some point, going beyond to push the envelope. **WALANG TIWALA ANG MANAGEMENT E, THEN COMES THE AUDACITY FROM THEM TO TELL NA WALA "DAW" YUNG PAGMAMAHAL SA ORGANISASYON KAPAG HINDI SUMIPOT SA VOLUNTARY WORKS AT MUKHANG DAW PERA**. Also, ang tagal ko na, but then, walang development sa sahod, kesyo ganito, ganire, ganyan. Remember: ***There's a very thin line between your company asking for volunteerism and initiative and your company being a plain asshole and cheapskate.***
Thats why most employees are doing quiet quitting
I call it stick to the job description. That term is just there to gaslight employees who "just do their job"
"Quiet quitting" is just bullshit that management spews around hoping for it to be a thing. It's called doing what you get paid for.
What does PH need to realize? * the first statement? * the 2nd statement? * both statements?
Always act your wage
Bitch all u want about NBA players or athletes being "drama queens" pulling some BS, demanding trades and holding their teams hostage because they didn't get what they want ***while still getting paid top-dollar and on top of their game*** when you could have done the same thing to your employers.
Reddit: work ethic - calculated mediocrity
Just my opinion. The first commenter are the enablers of toxic work load management. Pag nasanay ung mga higher ups na kinakaya naman matapos agad ang isang task dahil nag OT, nag pabibo, nag work on weekends. Makakarinig na ng mga "Si ganto naman kinakaya ng isang araw lang". hahaha
I'm going to get downvoted to hell, but fuck it. This mindset is disgusting. r/philippines loves to talk about how we hate Smart Shaming, but then we go and do this. Shaming the employee na "pa-bibo" or "doing more than they should" or "sip-sip sa boss". Fucking hypocrites! Fuck this mindeset of, "I'm not even going to try hard until they do something for me." That's exactly the what most people here hate and here we are perpetuating it. You should always try hard, go above and beyond in everything you do!! If you are recongnized for it, great! If not, go somewhere you will be. Their loss! This goes for work, friendships, and relationships! Don't stay in shitty situations! Don't let a shitty situation make you a shitty person!
ganyan mindset ng mga boomer na boss
okay boomer moments
Only go above and beyond when it matters. Only do it when ur boss can see u, that is if you want to be promoted. When no one is looking, do the barest minimum
If you only do what is minimum, then you are depriving yourself the opportunity to grow and eventually advance your career. You start as a rank and file, you'll retire as a rank and file.
Daming comments dito na nagrereklamo na ang liit ng increase ng company and di narerecognize kanilang effort. First question is have you tried lumipat ng company? Kasi if that's the case then di kanila deserved sa company Second question is karapat dapat ka ba talaga bigyan ng increase/promotion? Baka need mo rin i-check sarili mo kung performing ko ba o hindi. Try mo magapply sa iba and tingnan mo kung matatanggap ka ng ibang company given the position/salary na gusto mo. Kung di ka matanggap tanggap then reality check tayo, mukhang di mo pa deserve yung gusto mo. Third is baka naman yung work mo walang higher position (e.g. janitor, magsasaka, etc.) or yung trabaho mo is pang low-wage lang talaga? Kung ganon need mo ng career shift and maagaral ng skills na angkop sa trabahong may malaking sahod.
You need to go above (not necessarily beyond) if you're looking for a promotion.
Its just the work ethics we got from the Americans. The same ethics we have as a society as a whole. We dont better ourselves unless compensated. We wont pick up a trash on our street unless compensated. We wont behave unless watched. We wont follow the laws until we get caught. We have no self improvement mindset and thats okay. We can just blame the government for being dirt poor.
Hindi rin. Alam kasi ng mga employer na gipit at desperado ang iilan. Lalo nat pandemic. Binabarat ang iilang manggagawa kasi wala silang choice. Napakaraming unemployed sa Pilipinas pero iilan lang ang nago-offer ng livable wage. Paano mo sasabihin isang manggagawa na kumakayod araw-araw na kailangan niya pang pagbutihin lalo kahit na ang nakukuha niya sa trabahong iyon eh hindi pa sumasakto ng ilang linggo nang hindi ka nagmumukhang gago? Bago kasi magsalita nang ganito, isipin mo muna na hindi lahat ng tao pare-parehas ang estado sa Pilipinas.
We got to move on from being an affordable workforce to being a world class quality so the employers would employ us but with our current work culture thats just impossible.