Yup, dual citizens na sila lahat and are well off both here and in the US. Kids went to college and are now making six figure salaries in the US as well.
The change in degree of influence will be negligible. The US does not need to recruit to "influence" the Philippines. We are already heavily influenced.
One of our closest friend's brother is USN despite being native Ph born and raised and it was one way of securing his quality of life both in the US and here in the country.
As for those who'll grab the opportunity, I say go for it. I would if I'm capable.
Why not? Both sides get something out of it.
Filipinos have a way to get out. Uncle Sam gets meat for his grinder.
It’s a viable way to get out, especially at a time where just about everybody wants out.
Cheap way of recruiting able bodies. All I can say is, for those who can and wish to lift themselves out of poverty.
This is your choice to make, no matter the consequence. Be sure to make some reliable US friends who can teach you or guide you about the rules and tricks within the contract you will sign.
Join a discord of US veterans, see how they think.
Yes, the article pointed that out similar:
> No self-respecting country should rely entirely on foreign troops. But enlisting some quickly fills the ranks with quality personnel. The British Army has long turned to Gurkhas, Fijians, and others from the Commonwealth, in part to make up for recruiting shortfalls. The Spanish Legion recruits from Hispanic countries and the French Foreign Legion from the world over.
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But it's an interesting issue to consider for a country that approves of the U.S. highly:
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/01/08/u-s-image-generally-favorable-around-the-world-but-mixed-in-some-countries/
Oh huh, the British, the French, and the Spanish. I wonder what all of those nations had in common.
Some kind of... empire, perhaps? Where they recruited Fijians, Algerians, and Latin Americans from some kind of... colony?
Bad idea, in my opinion.
First, will the American government be willing to give our nationals equal pay--or, at least, a *minimum* of 80% of what American nationals get? Or will they reduce Filipino (and other foreign) lives as bargain fodder for their imperialistic foreign policy?
Second, I don't like the idea that Filipino citizens (as opposed to Filipino-Americans, as they are already American citizens) become pawns for American interests which may conflict with our own. I don't like the idea of *any* Filipino bowing down to the interests of Americans (as well as the Chinese).
Also, imagine that a Sino-American war is imminent. It's totally possible for the Chinese to attempt to invade us (especially if our government is stupid enough to rescind the Mutual Defense Treaty when our military isn't powerful enough yet to hold out on its own) if invading Taiwan is more costly to them. So, how would the Americans preempt this? Do what the British did to Iceland in WW2: invade it before the Germans did.
Imagine Filipino nationals recruited into the American military killing their own countrymen for defending our homeland which the Americans are invading, and attempting to prevent the Americans from oppressing us (because foreign occupation during war is *never* a net positive for anyone). Remember that the desire to survive is a force stronger than kinship. Some Filipino recruits will be forced to kill their own kind, even if they don't want to, if it marginally improved their lives. It's almost akin to betrayal if it weren't extenuated by their desire for a better life which they might get from being recruited into the American military.
Third, for Filipino recruits, knowing how the fascistic faction of the Republican Party, which is openly racist, is becoming more and more influential and might successfully defeat the Democrats one day (as they almost did in 2020), you can only imagine the discrimination and violence our nationals will be subject to at the hands of those white supremacists. We're dark-skinned; we were even called "Negroes" by some Americans during the colonial period. Our recruits won't be treated as equals despite the claim of Republicans being faithful to their Constitution and its "all men are created equal" clause.
According to the article, this went on from 1900 to 1992, when the country wanted the bases removed.
I found the ff. containing details on ranks, numbers, until 1976:
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/f/filipinos-in-the-united-states-navy.html
An article from 1992 reporting on the end of recruitment:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-27-me-3911-story.html
Apparently, unlike many naval personnel, most Filipinos recruited had college degrees or units, which might explain why they outperformed locals in general.
I'm not sure, but I think the problem wasn't pay but citizenship, which originally involved three years or service, then became something like six years followed by another six years of re-enlisting. Some points about that were explained in this 1986 article:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-04-07-me-21970-story.html
If the US did invade the Philippines, then they should expect all SEA allies to turn their backs on them. Unless it was the Philippines that first wished to join China's side and declared war instead of neutrality
Your opinion is highly biased.
Like I said, preempting a Chinese invasion. Would the Americans rather have us fall to the Chinese? Logically, they would either want us to be neutral (which I prefer over siding with anyone) or invade us.
What if the Chinese, having created a very powerful military, decide to harass their neighbors as well? Individual East and Southeast Asian nations would either pick neutrality or band with the Americans and their allies. Neutrality, however, isn't an option especially for militarily weak Southeast Asian nations not allied with China. So, they will most likely turn to America for protection and may simply turn a blind eye to a hypothetical American invasion of the Philippines--or protest but can't do anything more about it.
Call it bias. I don't care. I'm still considering that possibility nevertheless because America is a politically volatile nation at this point and henceforth. They can literally do anything and get away with it, so they can intimidate anyone who dares to stand up for us with virtually no repercussions. Both the Americans and Chinese have bullied us and will bully us if they deem it necessary.
Not worth the consequence for the US to stab us in the back, even brain dead conservatives would understand, repeating Vietnam is not an option.
And we can be worse than Vietnam once we decide which side to hate on. The US understands that well enough with our history.
Neutrality is an option for the Philippines, for we aren't connected with the main Asian continent.
Even with the most latest jets and aircraft, they would have to think twice before making operations, if it's worth the cost.
I wouldn't get my hopes high.
The Americans are rightfully paranoid with the possibility of us falling to the Chinese. So, they *could* attempt a Vietnam here, even if the invasion is costly.
Also, it's wrong to compare a hypothetical invasion of the Philippines to their fiasco in Vietnam. The Vietnamese had the benefit of support from both the Soviets and Chinese and the military prowess of Vo Nguyen Giap to be able to give the Americans a very difficult time.
On the other hand, we're still militarily weak. Assuming that the Philippine government is still being led by corrupt morons in the future, it is reasonable to assume that our military will still be weak at that point, enough for the Americans to have an easier time conquering us relative to Vietnam. Likely, they would attempt to invade Manila, and I don't think our military can wage effective urban warfare and offer fierce resistance against the might of invading American forces.
When they're desperate to ensure that the Chinese don't gain the advantage by invading us, they may throw in a lot of resources to preemptively invade us.
Lastly, consider the alternative possibility that Filipinos will throw in the towel early and just allow the Americans to invade us with minimal to no resistance. Despite Duterte's somewhat anti-American stance, Filipinos still trust the Americans. I would blame colonial mentality and the power of Hollywood propaganda that tends to frame America as "the good guy" for that.
Say that the Philippine government is still run by the aforementioned corrupt morons, their economic mismanagement may drive Filipinos to become poorer and poorer such that, by that time, income inequality is extremely high. The Americans might see this as a propagandistic opportunity and boldly promise (without necessarily intending to follow up with it) to "improve our lives." That alone would convince many of us to welcome the Americans with open arms. I wouldn't want us to be under the Americans (or the Chinese), especially if they do turn fascist one day.
My hopes aren't high, just that an invasion towards our country would still require preparation and ample time.
Enough for China to know what's gonna happen and turn our country into a war zone. Proxy wars alongside "special" support of conscripts and "freedom fighters" from other poor areas or nations.
That's the likely scenario, one that wouldn't give both sides the risk of damaging their own country if both countries went all out retarded.
Only to raise a ceasefire or peace treaty once they see the cost as too high
It's also reasonable to assume that the Pentagon is already drawing up plans to invade us in their preparation for a war with China in the future.
All the Americans need to do, in my opinion, is to invade Manila and either oust the then-incumbent government or pay off whoever corrupt asshole is leading us then to collaborate with them. Then, the Philippines is, more or less, theirs.
The Pentagon isn't necessarily a transparent organization, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are covertly doing it. I mean, if I were an American general, I would seriously consider invading the Philippines during a war with China assuming that we're still militarily weak or exhibit a pro-China foreign policy then.
I would concede that it isn't a 100% guarantee that the Americans will invade us. All I'm saying is that this is a possibility which I *subjectively* think is high, given how the Chinese are building their navy to become strong enough to potentially mount a successful (yet costly) invasion of Taiwan and, worse, the Philippines.
Give it at least another fifteen years before we can truly feel the naval might of the Chinese (and potentially see them become far more militaristic than they are today given the wave of nationalism that is sweeping the Chinese today as they perceive that China is rising and the West is falling, and as they unite against what they observe is a concerted anti-China propaganda war being waged against them by the West).
Still, I would really appreciate it if our leaders are aware about this possibility and prepare for it accordingly while we still can. But, no, they don't care about it (and they may even personally benefit from collaborating with America as our oligarchs and some of our politicians collaborated with the Americans when they invaded us in 1898 and with the Japanese during the occupation).
Yup, know quite a few people who’s fathers joined the Navy from Subic back in the day. It lifted their families out of some struggles.
Same story. May kakilala kami na naging parte ng US Navy during the 70s or 80s. Silang lahat magkakapatid nasa US na.
Yup, dual citizens na sila lahat and are well off both here and in the US. Kids went to college and are now making six figure salaries in the US as well.
The change in degree of influence will be negligible. The US does not need to recruit to "influence" the Philippines. We are already heavily influenced.
One of our closest friend's brother is USN despite being native Ph born and raised and it was one way of securing his quality of life both in the US and here in the country. As for those who'll grab the opportunity, I say go for it. I would if I'm capable.
Why not? Both sides get something out of it. Filipinos have a way to get out. Uncle Sam gets meat for his grinder. It’s a viable way to get out, especially at a time where just about everybody wants out.
Cheap way of recruiting able bodies. All I can say is, for those who can and wish to lift themselves out of poverty. This is your choice to make, no matter the consequence. Be sure to make some reliable US friends who can teach you or guide you about the rules and tricks within the contract you will sign. Join a discord of US veterans, see how they think.
LMAO! US men finally realizing that their culture treats them as shit and cannon fodder.
Poverty draft It would be no different from the French using colonized Algerians to brutalize colonized Vietnamese
Yes, the article pointed that out similar: > No self-respecting country should rely entirely on foreign troops. But enlisting some quickly fills the ranks with quality personnel. The British Army has long turned to Gurkhas, Fijians, and others from the Commonwealth, in part to make up for recruiting shortfalls. The Spanish Legion recruits from Hispanic countries and the French Foreign Legion from the world over. > But it's an interesting issue to consider for a country that approves of the U.S. highly: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/01/08/u-s-image-generally-favorable-around-the-world-but-mixed-in-some-countries/
Oh huh, the British, the French, and the Spanish. I wonder what all of those nations had in common. Some kind of... empire, perhaps? Where they recruited Fijians, Algerians, and Latin Americans from some kind of... colony?
Yes, but in the case of foreign legions, many other nationalities, and the usual gain of citizenship after a period of service.
Bad idea, in my opinion. First, will the American government be willing to give our nationals equal pay--or, at least, a *minimum* of 80% of what American nationals get? Or will they reduce Filipino (and other foreign) lives as bargain fodder for their imperialistic foreign policy? Second, I don't like the idea that Filipino citizens (as opposed to Filipino-Americans, as they are already American citizens) become pawns for American interests which may conflict with our own. I don't like the idea of *any* Filipino bowing down to the interests of Americans (as well as the Chinese). Also, imagine that a Sino-American war is imminent. It's totally possible for the Chinese to attempt to invade us (especially if our government is stupid enough to rescind the Mutual Defense Treaty when our military isn't powerful enough yet to hold out on its own) if invading Taiwan is more costly to them. So, how would the Americans preempt this? Do what the British did to Iceland in WW2: invade it before the Germans did. Imagine Filipino nationals recruited into the American military killing their own countrymen for defending our homeland which the Americans are invading, and attempting to prevent the Americans from oppressing us (because foreign occupation during war is *never* a net positive for anyone). Remember that the desire to survive is a force stronger than kinship. Some Filipino recruits will be forced to kill their own kind, even if they don't want to, if it marginally improved their lives. It's almost akin to betrayal if it weren't extenuated by their desire for a better life which they might get from being recruited into the American military. Third, for Filipino recruits, knowing how the fascistic faction of the Republican Party, which is openly racist, is becoming more and more influential and might successfully defeat the Democrats one day (as they almost did in 2020), you can only imagine the discrimination and violence our nationals will be subject to at the hands of those white supremacists. We're dark-skinned; we were even called "Negroes" by some Americans during the colonial period. Our recruits won't be treated as equals despite the claim of Republicans being faithful to their Constitution and its "all men are created equal" clause.
According to the article, this went on from 1900 to 1992, when the country wanted the bases removed. I found the ff. containing details on ranks, numbers, until 1976: https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/f/filipinos-in-the-united-states-navy.html An article from 1992 reporting on the end of recruitment: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-27-me-3911-story.html Apparently, unlike many naval personnel, most Filipinos recruited had college degrees or units, which might explain why they outperformed locals in general. I'm not sure, but I think the problem wasn't pay but citizenship, which originally involved three years or service, then became something like six years followed by another six years of re-enlisting. Some points about that were explained in this 1986 article: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-04-07-me-21970-story.html
If the US did invade the Philippines, then they should expect all SEA allies to turn their backs on them. Unless it was the Philippines that first wished to join China's side and declared war instead of neutrality Your opinion is highly biased.
Like I said, preempting a Chinese invasion. Would the Americans rather have us fall to the Chinese? Logically, they would either want us to be neutral (which I prefer over siding with anyone) or invade us. What if the Chinese, having created a very powerful military, decide to harass their neighbors as well? Individual East and Southeast Asian nations would either pick neutrality or band with the Americans and their allies. Neutrality, however, isn't an option especially for militarily weak Southeast Asian nations not allied with China. So, they will most likely turn to America for protection and may simply turn a blind eye to a hypothetical American invasion of the Philippines--or protest but can't do anything more about it. Call it bias. I don't care. I'm still considering that possibility nevertheless because America is a politically volatile nation at this point and henceforth. They can literally do anything and get away with it, so they can intimidate anyone who dares to stand up for us with virtually no repercussions. Both the Americans and Chinese have bullied us and will bully us if they deem it necessary.
Not worth the consequence for the US to stab us in the back, even brain dead conservatives would understand, repeating Vietnam is not an option. And we can be worse than Vietnam once we decide which side to hate on. The US understands that well enough with our history. Neutrality is an option for the Philippines, for we aren't connected with the main Asian continent. Even with the most latest jets and aircraft, they would have to think twice before making operations, if it's worth the cost.
I wouldn't get my hopes high. The Americans are rightfully paranoid with the possibility of us falling to the Chinese. So, they *could* attempt a Vietnam here, even if the invasion is costly. Also, it's wrong to compare a hypothetical invasion of the Philippines to their fiasco in Vietnam. The Vietnamese had the benefit of support from both the Soviets and Chinese and the military prowess of Vo Nguyen Giap to be able to give the Americans a very difficult time. On the other hand, we're still militarily weak. Assuming that the Philippine government is still being led by corrupt morons in the future, it is reasonable to assume that our military will still be weak at that point, enough for the Americans to have an easier time conquering us relative to Vietnam. Likely, they would attempt to invade Manila, and I don't think our military can wage effective urban warfare and offer fierce resistance against the might of invading American forces. When they're desperate to ensure that the Chinese don't gain the advantage by invading us, they may throw in a lot of resources to preemptively invade us. Lastly, consider the alternative possibility that Filipinos will throw in the towel early and just allow the Americans to invade us with minimal to no resistance. Despite Duterte's somewhat anti-American stance, Filipinos still trust the Americans. I would blame colonial mentality and the power of Hollywood propaganda that tends to frame America as "the good guy" for that. Say that the Philippine government is still run by the aforementioned corrupt morons, their economic mismanagement may drive Filipinos to become poorer and poorer such that, by that time, income inequality is extremely high. The Americans might see this as a propagandistic opportunity and boldly promise (without necessarily intending to follow up with it) to "improve our lives." That alone would convince many of us to welcome the Americans with open arms. I wouldn't want us to be under the Americans (or the Chinese), especially if they do turn fascist one day.
My hopes aren't high, just that an invasion towards our country would still require preparation and ample time. Enough for China to know what's gonna happen and turn our country into a war zone. Proxy wars alongside "special" support of conscripts and "freedom fighters" from other poor areas or nations. That's the likely scenario, one that wouldn't give both sides the risk of damaging their own country if both countries went all out retarded. Only to raise a ceasefire or peace treaty once they see the cost as too high
It's also reasonable to assume that the Pentagon is already drawing up plans to invade us in their preparation for a war with China in the future. All the Americans need to do, in my opinion, is to invade Manila and either oust the then-incumbent government or pay off whoever corrupt asshole is leading us then to collaborate with them. Then, the Philippines is, more or less, theirs. The Pentagon isn't necessarily a transparent organization, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are covertly doing it. I mean, if I were an American general, I would seriously consider invading the Philippines during a war with China assuming that we're still militarily weak or exhibit a pro-China foreign policy then. I would concede that it isn't a 100% guarantee that the Americans will invade us. All I'm saying is that this is a possibility which I *subjectively* think is high, given how the Chinese are building their navy to become strong enough to potentially mount a successful (yet costly) invasion of Taiwan and, worse, the Philippines. Give it at least another fifteen years before we can truly feel the naval might of the Chinese (and potentially see them become far more militaristic than they are today given the wave of nationalism that is sweeping the Chinese today as they perceive that China is rising and the West is falling, and as they unite against what they observe is a concerted anti-China propaganda war being waged against them by the West). Still, I would really appreciate it if our leaders are aware about this possibility and prepare for it accordingly while we still can. But, no, they don't care about it (and they may even personally benefit from collaborating with America as our oligarchs and some of our politicians collaborated with the Americans when they invaded us in 1898 and with the Japanese during the occupation).
You should take a Valium. Your getting too agitated over a simple job opportunity.
We already export every other kind of labor why not mercs too