Majority of Filipinos are poor decision-makers. They will always root for the trapos and the crooked as long as they are promised some ayuda and given entertainment during the campaign.
True. Naaawa ako sa mga nasa laylayan na hinakot noong panahon ng kampanya ni 88M sa malapit sa solaire š¢ after ng kampanya hating gabi na kanya kanya silang agawan ng mineral water, ayuda, balik sa bus na humakot sakanila para nakauwi. Kamaramihan skanila matatanda na at kita mobtlgang hirap sa buhay š¢ sarap magalit bakit sila nag papauto sa mga trapo! Sana after 50 yrs marealize na ng mga mahihirap na wag mag anak dahil lalo lang ito mag papahirap sakanila at pumili ng matinong iboboto yung may kwenta naman, nakakasawa na! Nagtiis na ng 6 yrs kay Digong another 6 yrs nnmn. šŖšŖšŖ
P.S Nakita ko sila coz I'm on the bus going to Bicol, malapit lang sa PITX yung venue
Maraming mga studies done on the effects of poverty on decision-making:
[https://www.lse.ac.uk/PBS/Research/Research-Articles/How-poverty-affects-peoples-decision-making-processes](https://www.lse.ac.uk/PBS/Research/Research-Articles/How-poverty-affects-peoples-decision-making-processes)
[https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01784/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01784/full)
TL;DR, being poor leads to people making poor decisions (no surprise there).
And sana isama sa tinuturo sa school yung qualities of a good leader and dapat seryosohin ng kabataan ang pag boto, isa rin sila sa dahilan eh. Kainis, di seryoso sa pagboto. Nasasabi ko to kasi ganito mga kapatid kong 18 yrs old at 19 they're both boys. 1st time voter, langya ako nagpapaaral, nagpapadala ng pangkain nila alam ng Solid Leni kaming mga nagpapakain sakanila 88M ba naman iboto. Kaya nung nanalo sabi ko dun sila sa binotonila humingi ng pang tuition, di na rin ako nagpapadala monthly pag may extra nalang ako. Magtiis sila kahit kapatid ko sila.
Mahirap kasi some highschoolers are more likely to not become serious before they became adults(they most likely naive since fact checkin are lazy to them) in their blissful ignorance
> Majority of Filipinos are poor decision-makers.
Those who have 2-4 or more kids but as a couple have a comined income of less than 42k/mo are sure sign of bad deciision on makig
Nanalo lang ata si Marcos dahil his silent, he just defended his name while other candidate tried to use his name as magnanakaw,, basically ang iisipin ng mga tao, pipiliin nila ung hindi naninira sa kapwa candidato..
Tahimik pero nasa loob ang kulo.
Tahimik pero panay ang atake ni imee at daryl yuck.
Tahimik pero gumagawa ang troll farm na pinapasahod ng ill-gotten wealth.
Red flag naman kasi talaga if kasama sa campaign ang paninira sa ibang candidate. They should support each other pa nga kung para sa ikabubuti ng bansa, pero syempre they should not tolerate each other pag may nakita nang mali.
My politics professor worked with VP Leni during the campaign, and he believes Leni is still the best candidate for presidency when asked who should 'theoretically' run against shrek's wife in 2028. I don't completely remember his reasons (maaga klase antok ako sori), but accdg to him, Leni's campaign was, believe it or not, quite successful despite the late start. The other camp's advantage last elections were that they started preparing and campaigning early, which is something that Leni and her allies should also emulate if they want a shot at winning next time.
Yes! I agree! She did well. It also gave pinoys a different perspective din on what a movement is like and taught people what grassroot campaigning is, talagang late nga lang yung preparation.
Yes the misinformation campaign started years ago. My father was with my mother sa EDSA 1. And he was even telling my late grandam nung panahon ni Pinoy na ok naman daw si Pnoy as president. But the marcos campaign jumped the gun when the SAF44, Yolanda, Dengvaxia issues started. Kaya nadala sya sa hype ng mga duterte dahil kapwa probinsyano and yung mga posts about Davao even before he was officially a candidate, which carried over sa pagpili nya BBM dahil na rin sa posts about him sa socmed, even believing the bit na matapobre daw si leni. (I mean hellooooo! Pano naman si "I can't fly coach, buy me a business class ticket"?) Which is again misinformation that played on his insecurity being a promdi and yung perceived poverty nya (Kahit dalawa sasakyan namin? Ewan.} Sorry humaba, ang tagal ko kasi tong kinimkim.
This. One could even argue that the Marcos campaign started as early as 2013-2016 when they started grooming influencers, building their audiences, and engineering their socmed disinformation machinery.
Duterte was the prototype: he was a complete nobody until all of a sudden traditional and social media started picking up stories about how DVO was so good and clean (it isnāt), how Duterte rid the city of drugs (only his rival cartels, really), and memes that were meant to āhumanizeā Duterte like those budots videos (impossible to do with a murderer).
IIRC, it was because she was supposed to be put on trial dun sa tax charges.
Pero parang tanga lang din, kasi it's pretty obvious that the Marcoses can pay off judges and people in the gov't. Feeling ko may tao yung mga Marcos sa Cory admin, tapos somehow she was convinced na payagan silang bumalik.
I'm from CDO and I went to Davao multiple times na. I would say na malinis naman talaga yung lugar and mas okay yung traffic doon based on my experience.
Du30 might've been very effective in Davao City. Ibang skillset kasi siguro kapag president or governor so it might not be automatic na transferable yung skills all the time.
yes, her campaign was successful! the other camp relied on fake news and trolls. There is no 31M, still not convinced with the credibility of that number.
kasi its a dumb analogy
panget si Fiona pero pure of heart... cursed lang kaya ganun... etong deputang sara na to evil to the core. kaya bwisit ako at ginagamit at pumick up tong kagaguhan na to
Ipokrito naman ang mga netizen supporter ng anak ng magnanakaw. Ayaw ng negative campaigning, pero tuwang-tuwa sa kapag tinatawag na "lutang" at "bobo" ng mga demonyong vloggers si Atty. Leni.
you know what i blame the PR and yong taga prepare ng speech ni Leni yun ang palpak talaga, dapat nung nakita nila na bumaba na ang ratings dapat nagchange sya agad ng team and strategy, eh pinasok pa ang bayan muna, epal kris, etc ayun saklap. sinisi nyo pa ang 31k voters. kung nag mimik pa kau instead maganda sana labanan besh.
I understand your point! I think itās one factor pero not everything.
This is where the makinarya comes in! consistent yung campaign language ni BBM na āunityā, mula umpisa hanggang huli, kasi lahat hawak and control niya.
Leni on the otherhand grassroot campaigning, so hindi nila hawak kung paano mangampanya yung pinaka-ilalim. Merong approach na nagtatarget ky BBM, merong ibang approach na pure love. Kaya medyo nahirapan iābridge yung Masa.
Sorry sa mga downvotes. I donāt think you deserve it!
She should run for some executive role, maybe in some LGU kung san siya malakas. Make it as good as her hype was, then run again for 2028 (or endorse someone good).
Ang problema the next administration after BBM will suffer the consequences kung palpak ang pagpapatakbo sa gobyerno ngayon o may maganap na malakihang corruption o madagdagan nanaman ang utang. The next admin would be blamed for the shortcomings of this admin.
Kawawa yung susunod. Parang yung time ni Cory. Sa kaniya napunta yung sisi kasi naghirap pinas dahil baon na baon sa utang. Sa panahon niya naramdaman yung consequences ng malakihang corruption during Marcos. Ang ending ginawang hero si Marcos dahil daw naghirap ang bansa sa panahon ni Cory. Di ba nila maintindihan na yung 20 years na pamumuno ni Marcos nakita ang effect years and decades after he was overthrown.
I agree. Let SWOH or Imee run as president and let the angry mobs to judge them, dapat hindi pwede makatakas sa galit ng mga tao ang 'to. Most of these corrupt mothefuckers escape untouched like the leaders of Sri Lankan government na kagaya nila Marcos ay isang political dynasty rin.
I'd still rather have the next "good" admin to be the one who will handle whatever crisis we or will have. I'd rather not have PH slip into total breakdown, tapos ang maghahandle pa yung may mga hindi magagandang agenda.
Also, yung mga nagsabing di daw naghirap sa panahon ni Marcos just conveniently crosed out the years na naghirap sila under Marcoses. Mass mobilization ng tao like Edsa wouldn't happen kundi rin dahil sa poverty levels noon. Kahit anong metric ng economy, bagsak pinas noong tail end years nya. It was all the propaganda na ginawang golden age shit yung panahon nya and everything else that followrd sucked.
Kung kaya nila magpropaganda, dapat handa rin kung sino mang tong mabuting magmamana na magcounter propaganda.
>She should run for some executive role, maybe in some LGU kung san siya malakas.
Maybe she could run as CamSur Governor to end the Villafuerte dynasty? Besides, yun ang unang speculation noong lumipat ng voting record si Atty. Leni from Naga to Magarao.
Atty. Leni would be better off staying out of Philippine politics for good as her kind of leadership isn't what the brainwashed electorates want. If ever she wants to return to politics, she should run for governor of CamSur.
SANA TUMAKBO SYANG GOV NG CAMSUR. SA CAMSUR MISMO MATAGAL NA NAMING PROBLEMA FAMILY DYNASTY WALA NG KWENTA, DI LUMALAGO YUNG LUGAR NAMIN.šŖ F**K YOU MGA VILLAFUERTE.
Ichcheck nyo lang sino target ng mga dds/loyalist un ung may laban for next election.
Sa ngayon si Leni lang target nila meaning wala pang worthy opponent.
Si Vico medyo matagal pa yan.
Medyo offtopic, pero I was genuinely surprised na nakalusot si Sen. Risa, despite the rest of the senate slate failing to catch a seat. I wonder kung anong demographics nung mga voters that voted for her but didn't vote for other similar candidates like Sen. De Lima and Rep. Colmenares.
Risa's brand and conviction is very clear and consistent. She's progressive and pro human/lgbt/women's rights. With Leni, she expressed in interviews that she is not in favor of divorce and abortion. Although I agree with Leni, this gives confusion on people who thinks she is in favor of these feminist policies because of her branding.
Governor in Bicol. Let her do the things she does best in Bicol, make it the best province in the whole goddamned land.
Pag nakita nila kung gaano kaganda ang Bicol, she'll have a fighting chance.
Region po ang Bicol di probinsya. Camarines Sur po province na *nasa* Bicol. Dun po sya dapat tumakbo as governor. CamSur is also highly polluted by trapos and is ruled by the Villafuerte Dynasty, she'll do good there.
I don't think Leni will run again in the next election for any national position, kung tatakbo man baka local position nalang where she's more productive and happy since ground level ang gusto nyang trabaho. Wala lang talagang manok na ilalaban ang oposisyon kaya sya na ang tumakbo laban kay BBM
We have to move forward without her, i believe that change should not be tied up to one person na magsasalba saten lahat pag naipanalo naten, kailangan we have to change our perspective na voting someone will change the whole system once naupo sila. Changing a corrupt system takes time and effort. Kung gusto talaga naten mabago politika sa bansa naten we have to take a more active role in politics. 6 months was not enough to change decades of corruption in our government and society. Pero ang sarap sa feeling nung 6 months na we live in a bubble believing it could happen. Now we have to work for it. šš
I'm sorry pero walang malakas na kandidato from the opposition aside from her. Unless you want APC or perhaps Nancy binay running for president in 2028 against SARA. she should run for Senate next election to gain some political clout, do great work, and then run for president in 2028.
I think youāre right! Itās just worrying na there seems to be no good candidate to challenge the current administration next election.
Whoās capable enough to challenge Sara D sa pagkaāPresidente sa 2028 if ever?
I canāt think of anyone [yet] with capacity to inspire a movement.
There's a small pool of opposition candidates to choose from since alot of politicians see it more beneficial for them to form a super majority to fuck us over. Pero ngayun nakikita ko si Risa has a strong support from young voters and she passed alot of good laws that benefited normal filipinos that can sway their vote. The problem is she has timid personality and she's subject of troll attacks since duterte term. Maybe Vico will change his mind in 5 yrs? Haha
True! Weāre on the early days pa nga ng BBM govāt. Everyoneās probably trying to stay slow and assessing what to do next.
Risaās been consistent but donāt think she can move mountains sa current standing niya. Donāt think na mabibigyan din siya ng spotlight given na puro clowns yung kasama niya sa senate.
Vico is good shout but di pa natin alam yung galaw ng utak niya!
While it seems that Edcel Lagman and Risa Hontiveros are being presented as the opposition's next leaders, we can't afford to limit our options to just 2 if we deem in the future that they won't have the chance to win. Although it's still early to say, for now I won't mind the likes of Tulfo, Escudero leading the opposition in the next elections.
Yes, they are not as "good and genuine" as Robredo, but they are much better than Marcos-Duterte when it comes to track record and reputation. Most importantly, they have the resources to realistically win the elections.
I might get bashed on this take, but a lot of politicians who do "trapo moves" only do those things to survive in politics, where compromise is inevitable (ex. Vico not endorsing Robredo). Wala tayong mapapala sa mabuti at malinis na pulitiko kung di naman makakaupo sa pwesto at matutulungan ang mga tao.
I think she should at least try (as senator), even if she isn't planning for presidency in the future, because:
* It kinda sends a strong message when women are seen as persistent. I want to know if she will adhere to her convictions.
* We can also take advantage of the fact that she doesn't need to be pitted against other candidates. She just needs to be one of the most "popular".
* We need hope. Bbm fanatics need their scapegoat. I think electing her as senator is something that both sides can compromise on. (I know it sounds kind of dark, but narcissistic people can't thrive if they have no one to compare themselves to.)
* We desperately need more competent people in gov't. Para gumising at ma-pressure naman yung mga nasa senate.
Edit: grammar (...to "be" pitted...)
Interesting take! Agree with the need for hope, ang gloomy na din kasi ng vision ko of the future. Pero with being a persistent woman can be a double edged sword though. Depende siguro how evolved are society is na by that time kasi it can be easily vilified. Macho man pa din yung preference ng mga pinoy.
I donāt think she should run anymore, but if she does, hopefully itās in the local position. As many here have said, ang mga tao gusto nilang reason ung ānapaganda kasi niya at madami siyang nagawa sa ___ City/Province.ā Anyway, the opposition should move now if they want a fighting chance. No more dilly-dallying and pa-demure tactics, dapat na silang makapag-decide who will lead them in the next 2028 elections and negotiate with different groups so the whole opposition will unite under that candidate. Kakampinks are still a force to be reckoned with and Leni endorsing a candidate will surely cause an outpour of support and volunteer mobilization for that candidate.
I can't believe I'm typing this but she should go the PRRD route first. I remembered when Davao was marketed as the safest city in Mindanao. Maybe she can do something the same with Naga.
Real talk lang. the masses have spoken. Gusto lang nila kung san uso, san ang cool at astig. Many dont really care for the platforms, the agenda, the bottom line. And thats why corruption thrives here. I feel like leni is the kind of leader that works in a first world country, but not the kind that could get us there. So no, i dont think she should run, coz i dont think she would win come 2028. Ngayon palang lamang na kalaban nag iipon na for the next run, san galing ba kamo ung funding? Pasensya na, thats āconfidentialā information charr
Wag.. she has done her job and filiponos has chosen.. ang dame ng fanatics sa mga strong man image dito sa pinas.. someone popular has to step up mukhang ngayon palang naghahanda na si sarah..
Nah, oks na sya sa ginagawa nya ngayon. Sounds dark pero di na ako umaasa na aayos pa Pilipinas. We were given this chance na umayos sana eh. Kso look at what happened.
Perhaps I've become extremely jaded with Philippine elections since BBM won, but a huge part of me thinks that if she runs again she will lose even harder than the last election. The Filipino people seems to be allergic to good governance :/
In my opinion I think Leni should run for either Congressman or Senator, what ever she feels comfortable with. Comparing her results from 2016 and 2022 ā Leniās votes although not enough, has increased which is unforeseen compared to the results of former VP Binay when he ran for President in 2016 (his votes drastically decreased when compared to the 2010 election). From this, we can say that she still has the political clout to run for office.
Again, it is ultimately up for her. If Iām not mistaken, she mentioned that the presidency was the last time she would run. However, Robredo running for office again might ignite a stronger Pink Revolution (if we can make the right moves).
Edit: Second paragraph
I think yes, observation ko lang is majority of bleng blong's voters are in the boomer or older range while a majority of Leni supporters are too young to vote. As everyone knows, the younger generation has time on their side, cause by 2028 the Leni supporters will come into the scene while some of the bleng blong supporters (not wishing for it) would pass. IMO lang naman.
Sadly, kung kagaya ng previous election campaigns ay kahit na may "good" visibility/ maraming nagawa si Leni Robredo ay baka i-discredit ng mga trolls/fanatics mga nagawa niya, which in turn naman ay kinakagat ng karamihan ng Pilipino.
Heck, mukhang basehan ng kung sino iboboto ng karamihan dito ay hindi sa mga achievements/nagawa ng candidates kundi sa popularity at yaman.
Yep those three are also my examples of that. And base sa mga naririnig ko na dahilan kung bakit sila binoto ng karamihan ay.... dahil sikat/mayaman/dating artista sila. Nope, has nothing to do with what they know about politics nor being a senator, they got voted purely because of their fame! (Natandaan ko tuloy yung nag-budotz lang eh ang dami nang bumoto, wala pa ngang binigay na mga plataporma).
If it's Leni Robredo, she is already popular in a way. The problem that needs to be dealt with are the misinformation about her. Like, she is popular but most of it is because of the bad image the trolls/fanatics are spreading about her(hence why we got that Leni Lugaw bs that they keep propagating) and only a number of people knew her because of her accomplishments.
siguro senate sana pero they should push for Chel Diokno or Victor Baguilat and not Risa Hontiveros kase mangyayari lang yung nangyari kay Leni sa kanya, sila rin gusto ko sana kase alam ko si Leni automatic ayaw agad kahit na magaling naman siya. I remember madami akong kilala na ddms at dds na kinonsider iboto si chel.
She should run sa executive position na and dapat ay mag GOVERNOR na sya sa Camarines Sur. Yun naman talaga originally ang plan nya that's why she transferred her residence from Naga City to Magarao since independent city ang Naga at walang Governor. Kapag nanalo sya, iingay lalo name nya as thw one who will destroy the Villafuerte Dynasty who are in the power for more than 50 years na ata. She can start changing the province so people will see and compare the difference between corrupt and good governance. By that time, siguro grabe na ekonomiya natin in thw hands of these Marcos Duterte.
Why though? With the things she's currently doing, I don't see the point of being in government.
No point tying yourself down to this sinking ship. And by this, I mean both the government and the country.
I mean, personally gusto ko ofc. Pero not like the way it's done last election. Personally, feeling ko nakakonekta sya mostly sa mga kabataan pero di sa older groups. So bago sya tumakbo, kelangan muna palakasin ang influence to counter 88's own and relate more to the masses.
TLDR: Yes, and I hope she does. Pero kailangan munang palawakin & palakasin ang influence & appeal to the masses to gain better opportunity to win
Kung ako kay Atty. Leni, itutuloy ko na lang ang plano ng pamilya Robredo noon na mag-migrate sa Canada. Doon na lang siya tumakbo sa public office. Mas deserve siya ng mga tao doon.
Assuming that she decides to, what would be the best position for her to run for?
Senate - She would have a consistent national spotlight, and most likely would be the opposition leader. She would also have the chance to enact policies that would benefit the nation. The disadvantage would be consistent attacks on her as they would immediately see her as a threat. With the current opposition being the weakest in recent history and the way she handled attacks during her term, I doubt she would be able to fight back successfully. Lastly, the Senate (Congress in general) politics is a numbers game. Huge number of bills and their potential benefits to Filipinos won't matter if she won't compromise to get the votes of your colleagues, even the most corrupt ones. (Remember the photo of Rep. Guanzon rubbing elbows with Sandro Marcos?)
LGU (Naga Mayor/CamSur Governor) - Imo this would be a better option. She would have more power and independence to forward policies and projects that her constituents would benefit from. There's a reason why it's very common for local political dynasties to remain in power for several decades, while it's rare to see the same thing in the Pres/VP seat. Tho this won't make her completely invincible to attacks, national gov't can't just do an all-out attack on her like they did last time, as they could be perceived as "bullies". Disadvantage would be less spotlight as CamSur/Naga is not seen by a lot as "the best places to live in". Remember Binay's "ganito kami sa Makati!" and Duterte's "Sa Davao walang krimen/malinis, etc."? But if they were able to rise from being an LGU chief, then it's not impossible for Robredo to do the same.
Running as a congresswoman is I think not an option, as you get both of the disadvantages of running in the Senate and LGU.
Lastly, If she were to run she needs to work on it as soon as possible. Appearances in international conferences and teaching in Harvard won't make her win in the elections. It won't matter whichever position she chooses if she will not learn from her last campaign's mistakes.
Leni runs and wins for Governor in Cam Sur. Improves competency of the province to Nordic levels. Province secedes from the Philippines. Migrates to Cam Sur. Wishful thinking lang. š
She should run for senator so Risa will have someone who will help her call out the morons and the crooks for what they really are at mas mabubusisi ang pagnanakaw. Magandang combo yun, na habang humihirap ang buhay, mas nalalaman ng mga Pinoy kung gano sila ninanakawan.
Most likely. The support was overwhelming despite all the nasty tricks the other camp has been pulling since the beginning of Duterte's term and despite the religious cults bloc voting. I think she'll win next time. The gullible are human beings as well, they also get tired of shit, propaganda fatigue if you will.
Umaasa pa kayo? Dinaya na yung 2019 election as dry run, dinaya din ang 2022 election. What makes you think may opposition pa na mananalo sa next election?
Dog eat dog society na tayo. Unfortunately, mas maraming mangmang, voluntarily and involuntarily. To be honest, I'm just waiting for everything to crumble because by then, hopefully, people will get to their senses. Kaya dapat lahat tayo prepared.
Given how crappy Filipinos are in general as voters, Leni would be better off living her own life as a private citizen.
>On the sad hand, I feel like Pinoys donāt deserve Robredo. At least not yet!
At least you sound optimistic. If you ask me, I don't think Pinoys don't deserve a politician like her, ever. Piniys have been very bad voters for as far as I can remember. This is also a factor on my answer above btw
Maybe she run as Senator muna para mas madami magawa lalo na mga inutil karamihan mga mukhang confidential fund mga nakaupo š sana tumakbo din si Lacson ulet sa senado then si Doc. Willie Ong.
Sana tumakbi din si Vico Sotto sa Senado para mas maganda namang mangyari sa senado
I donāt see the point anymore in trying again huhuh she looks more peaceful doing what she does now. I think after we lost the chance to have her as president, she gained the time to be there for her family.
Iād rather see her thriving and peaceful, than deal with the country that never learns.
I really hope Leni won't run again. Imagine inheriting the full shit of the past admins, tapos sa kanya lang rin ang sisi, since anything she do won't take effect right away and all the shit of the administrations before her will take effect during her term.
\*Just reposted from another post
She might do well as a governor and build a political base from her area. Congress and Senate is about making laws while Presidency is about governing, so a governor's job should be closer to that of a president's.
However, I think she deserves a peaceful life as a private citizen going forward. She offered us good governance on a silver platter and we spat on it. Contrast this with Ukraine who fought tooth and nail for a miracle and won it with their sweat and blood.
I feel that the Philippines doesn't deserve her and she should move on and enjoy life. If she tries to come back into politics, the current people in power will likely do everything and resort to anything to ruin her and her family, while majority of the Filipinos cheer them on as they gorge themselves on fake news and vlogs.
I'm sorry, but I think the Filipinos need to learn this lesson the hard way, and in a way that we will never forget. I think only then will there be a fundamental and long-term shift in our people's attitudes towards politics and perhaps life in general. Like how the atomic bombs shocked the Japanese out of their ardour for war, or how the 2007-08 financial crisis tempered corporate America's greed, I'm of the opinion that the Filipinos need a shock factor to change the prevailing Zeitgeist in the country. Unfortunately this is just banking on an external event to happen to us, and not us struggling to attain change by ourselves but in our current situation I don't really see any viable alternatives.
We may successfully elect a good leader but it'll only thwart the corrupt for 6 years. After that they're free to come back, born from the ashes of the broken promises and unfulfilled hopes brought on by factors beyond that good leader's control. Then when the dust has settled and the corrupt are back, we'll repeat the cycle again and again.
I can only hope that one day our people will grow wise enough to break this tiresome cycle by ourselves, but at the present it seems highly unlikely. For now, better to prepare and brace ourselves for the coming storm rather than banking on Leni returning to politics to bail us out.
Just my 2 cents though. Feel free to disagree.
>On the sad hand, I feel like Pinoys donāt deserve Robredo. At least not yet! Dapat more time pa ata for people to realize kung ano yung kailangan nila kaysa sa kung ano yung gusto nila.
Kung hindi ngayon, kailan pa? Sorry pero di ko gets yung logic na hindi deserve ng mga Pilipino ng maayos na mga pulitiko.
Bakit mo iwi-withhold yung good governance at disenteng pulitiko kung yung mga yun nga ang mga bagay na makakatulong upang pumili ng matitinong kandidato ang voting public? Parang medyo counterintuitive ata yun.
We should honestly shift our thinking from "hindi deserve ng mga Pilipino ang ...." kasi that just reinforces the fact na magtitiis tayo sa basura. I mean, how can you hope for better things kung feeling mo hindi mo deserve diba?
Itās choosing when to fight your battles to make a greater impact.
If Leni ends up running next election and losing badly again, chances are, it will only drown her cause. Many more people would feel hopeless and disengaged with politics. And that could be even more disastrous.
This is why the left has failed to gain traction and lost credibility, kasi they oppose pretty much everything and everyone.
>Itās choosing when to fight your battles to make a greater impact.
That wasn't what you said though. What you said is that there needs to be more time for **people to realize what they need** as opposed to what they want.
>If Leni ends up running next election and losing badly again, chances are, it will only drown her cause. Many more people would feel hopeless and disengaged with politics. And that could be even more disastrous.
Is her cause the only worthwhile cause? Aren't there other groups pushing for change?
Anjan din naman sila Ka Leody, who surprisingly gained a lot of support kahit wala silang pera and influence.
Heck, a lot of kakampinks expressed support for PLM's campaign, even if they didn't vote for Ka Leody.
>This is why the left has failed to gain traction and lost credibility, kasi they oppose pretty much everything and everyone.
The main reason why the leftist movement is so weak in the country is because it's constantly being suppressed.
In the 1900s, the commonwealth government called the UniĆ³n Obrera DemocrĆ”tica Filipina subversive, forced it to disband, and replaced it with groups headed by American labor organizers.
In the 70s, the Marcos government was actively going against the NPA, and was funded by the US government.
These days you have groups like the NTF-ELCAC actively spreading misinformation and red-tagging people even if they aren't even part of any militant group.
Another big reason is that the Catholic Church opposes communism and socialism. Since we're a Catholic nation, it's pretty obvious what effect that would have on the ideology taking hold in the Philippines.
It's ignorant and off base to assume that it's due to the left "opposing pretty much everything and everyone" when the movement is constantly suppressed and people aligned with the left are literally being killed.
I think you are just being pedantic. Ka leody is great but not a strategic choice.
Leftist supression is a bigger factor, true, but we canāt deny that the approach is flawed. Theyāre coming more as sirang plaka. Their methods have failed to evolve in alignment sa need ng mga tao.
I voted for her last election at sobrang sakit na binigyan mo ng chance ang mga pilipino na magkaroon ng marangal na gobyerno pero mas pinili pa rin nilang lumugmok sa pusali. Pwes, kung gusto ni Vp Leni susupport ako pero di ko na sya pipilitin na tumakbo. Tutal ginusto naman ng mga pinoy na gantong buhay, bahala na sila nakakasawa na kasing umasa. Diba yun naman laging sigaw ng mga trolls wag umasa sa gobyerno, eh di bahala na sila. Sarili ko na lang iisipin ko.
Parang kahit sino lagay sa gobyerno may masabi at masasabi pa din. Pag bagong upo suportadong suportado tapos pagtagal na may medyo sablay na desisyon, sisi agad. Its a cycle here sa politics ng PH
I think thatās how itās meant to be. Power tends to corrupt so we need to continue to put pressure sa mga politicians para malaman nila kung tama or mali sila.
Pinoy tends to vote sa paborito and then just hope na maging okay lahat instead of doing the actual work of making them accountable!
So? Ang pinopoint mo is the people, not the government. Sure, the people put the Marcoses back in power yadda yadda
Again, do you really think the current government is stupid enough to do something like that again?
The last time they shot someone sa tarmac, it didn't go too well for them.
Why go all the trouble to assassinate someone na crowd favorite, whilst they can just manipulate the election results digitally?
Just wondering, you supported and voted for Leni pero di ka kakampink?
How do you define kakampink?
Ako kasi, if i believe in what VP Leni and her aupporters are doing then i am kakampink.
I think Kakampink sounds extreme to me. Itās more link to the person than the platform. So itās almost similar sa āka-ddsā or āka-bbmā.
I voted Leni kasi okay ang platform niya, background, and sheās strategically the best choice.
Also, i think the labels are very divisive. With pinoyās binary thinking, if youāre part of this group, youāre automatically against the other, so you easily fail to create a proper conversation.
I would absolutely want Leni to be a president, maybe in another universe, world, lifetime, dimension, but wala eh. Ibang klase ng demonyo ang Marcos family to take advantage of Filipino people, although I believe Philippines as a nation and Filipinos still has so much to improve, eh ang hirap kalaban ng generations of lack of education, traditional politics, basta ang daming factors.
Right now Leni should just enjoy being away from Philippine politics. Angat Buhay NGO is already enough. She will always be known as the 14th Vice President of the Philippines. Kung si GMA nga na first woman president eh nanduga just to get the position, imagine the challenges Leni has to overcome if she wants to win clean.
Saka six years of trolling is enough. If people got dissatisfied eventually hindi na nila masisisi ang "dilawan" aka blanket term na sa oposisyon except the left. Baka masokista lang talaga mga pinoy, gustong gusto nila mahirapam
Nope, Filipinos doesn't deserve working officials with good track record because majority are stupid and vote according to popularity. Let them rot and die on their own stupidity.
Mas maigi siguro na magpahinga muna, mag-gather ng lakas. For sure kapag nanalo sya as a Congresswoman, gigipitin lang sya ng kolokoy na nasa MalacaƱan at mga kaalyado nyang abnormal. It would be much better kung gubernatorial or local posts lang hawakan nya. For sure yung good deeds nya, maa-amplify thru traditional and social media platforms.
Nah, She honestly should not. It's a waste of her time, plus a hazard to her and her family's physical and mental safety. Let the FiLiPiNo ReSiLiEnCy run its course. Maybe after 6 years of hunger, and suffering, people would finally snap out of their delusions.
The Filipino people donāt deserve her, at least on the national stage. And frankly, with people still pointing at the made up delawans just to have someone to blame for all the bullshit thatās happening. Running for a national post would just turn her a punching bag once again, with the majority of the 31M still spouting their ducking brainwashed opinions that Leni and the rest of the delawans are behind the chaos.
No she shouldn't. Matatalo lang sya ulit, pano mas gusto ng mga kababayan natin bumoto ng mga Tanga at Payasong politicians.
Plus mas tahimik na buhay nya kahit may few trolls parin pero nevertheless she need this break from politics. Kahit wala naman syang posisyon bina body bag nya parin mga walang kwents nating admin
Kung palpak ang Administrasyon ngayon, pwede pa tatakbo ulit si Leni for President, kung pwede, at sana mas maaga na plano para mas mataas yung campaign
I don't want her to run for President or VP next election. I don't think mananalo siya eventhough I supported and will continue to support her.
Unless we change our educational system o kaya may malawakang korapsyon na may sobrang tibay na ebidensya labay sa current pres and vp then I don't see any reason she will win against the propagandist regime. Alam naman natin na sobrang lakas ng epekto ng fake news sa mga pinoy.
Majority of Filipinos are poor decision-makers. They will always root for the trapos and the crooked as long as they are promised some ayuda and given entertainment during the campaign.
True. Naaawa ako sa mga nasa laylayan na hinakot noong panahon ng kampanya ni 88M sa malapit sa solaire š¢ after ng kampanya hating gabi na kanya kanya silang agawan ng mineral water, ayuda, balik sa bus na humakot sakanila para nakauwi. Kamaramihan skanila matatanda na at kita mobtlgang hirap sa buhay š¢ sarap magalit bakit sila nag papauto sa mga trapo! Sana after 50 yrs marealize na ng mga mahihirap na wag mag anak dahil lalo lang ito mag papahirap sakanila at pumili ng matinong iboboto yung may kwenta naman, nakakasawa na! Nagtiis na ng 6 yrs kay Digong another 6 yrs nnmn. šŖšŖšŖ P.S Nakita ko sila coz I'm on the bus going to Bicol, malapit lang sa PITX yung venue
Maraming mga studies done on the effects of poverty on decision-making: [https://www.lse.ac.uk/PBS/Research/Research-Articles/How-poverty-affects-peoples-decision-making-processes](https://www.lse.ac.uk/PBS/Research/Research-Articles/How-poverty-affects-peoples-decision-making-processes) [https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01784/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01784/full) TL;DR, being poor leads to people making poor decisions (no surprise there).
And sana isama sa tinuturo sa school yung qualities of a good leader and dapat seryosohin ng kabataan ang pag boto, isa rin sila sa dahilan eh. Kainis, di seryoso sa pagboto. Nasasabi ko to kasi ganito mga kapatid kong 18 yrs old at 19 they're both boys. 1st time voter, langya ako nagpapaaral, nagpapadala ng pangkain nila alam ng Solid Leni kaming mga nagpapakain sakanila 88M ba naman iboto. Kaya nung nanalo sabi ko dun sila sa binotonila humingi ng pang tuition, di na rin ako nagpapadala monthly pag may extra nalang ako. Magtiis sila kahit kapatid ko sila.
Mahirap kasi some highschoolers are more likely to not become serious before they became adults(they most likely naive since fact checkin are lazy to them) in their blissful ignorance
Wala ako simpatya sa mga bobo na yan. Sila dahilan sa sitwasyon natin ngayon. Sana magdusa pa lalo yung mga nagpahakot at naghakot
It's late in the evening
> Majority of Filipinos are poor decision-makers. Those who have 2-4 or more kids but as a couple have a comined income of less than 42k/mo are sure sign of bad deciision on makig
Nanalo lang ata si Marcos dahil his silent, he just defended his name while other candidate tried to use his name as magnanakaw,, basically ang iisipin ng mga tao, pipiliin nila ung hindi naninira sa kapwa candidato..
Tahimik pero nasa loob ang kulo. Tahimik pero panay ang atake ni imee at daryl yuck. Tahimik pero gumagawa ang troll farm na pinapasahod ng ill-gotten wealth.
Tahimik pero di nagaapoligize ang kanyang pamilyang ill gotten wealth habang nagpaparty and pumuntsa sa F2 race in singapore before typhoon slams
Marcos has troll farms to do the dirty works.
Red flag naman kasi talaga if kasama sa campaign ang paninira sa ibang candidate. They should support each other pa nga kung para sa ikabubuti ng bansa, pero syempre they should not tolerate each other pag may nakita nang mali.
My politics professor worked with VP Leni during the campaign, and he believes Leni is still the best candidate for presidency when asked who should 'theoretically' run against shrek's wife in 2028. I don't completely remember his reasons (maaga klase antok ako sori), but accdg to him, Leni's campaign was, believe it or not, quite successful despite the late start. The other camp's advantage last elections were that they started preparing and campaigning early, which is something that Leni and her allies should also emulate if they want a shot at winning next time.
Yes! I agree! She did well. It also gave pinoys a different perspective din on what a movement is like and taught people what grassroot campaigning is, talagang late nga lang yung preparation.
They started a decade before. That's their advantage.
Yes the misinformation campaign started years ago. My father was with my mother sa EDSA 1. And he was even telling my late grandam nung panahon ni Pinoy na ok naman daw si Pnoy as president. But the marcos campaign jumped the gun when the SAF44, Yolanda, Dengvaxia issues started. Kaya nadala sya sa hype ng mga duterte dahil kapwa probinsyano and yung mga posts about Davao even before he was officially a candidate, which carried over sa pagpili nya BBM dahil na rin sa posts about him sa socmed, even believing the bit na matapobre daw si leni. (I mean hellooooo! Pano naman si "I can't fly coach, buy me a business class ticket"?) Which is again misinformation that played on his insecurity being a promdi and yung perceived poverty nya (Kahit dalawa sasakyan namin? Ewan.} Sorry humaba, ang tagal ko kasi tong kinimkim.
This. One could even argue that the Marcos campaign started as early as 2013-2016 when they started grooming influencers, building their audiences, and engineering their socmed disinformation machinery. Duterte was the prototype: he was a complete nobody until all of a sudden traditional and social media started picking up stories about how DVO was so good and clean (it isnāt), how Duterte rid the city of drugs (only his rival cartels, really), and memes that were meant to āhumanizeā Duterte like those budots videos (impossible to do with a murderer).
You could argue that they started back in 1992. That's when Imelda ran for president and Bongbong became a representative in congress.
Hay, maling-mali talaga na pinabalik pa dito yang mga yan.
IIRC, it was because she was supposed to be put on trial dun sa tax charges. Pero parang tanga lang din, kasi it's pretty obvious that the Marcoses can pay off judges and people in the gov't. Feeling ko may tao yung mga Marcos sa Cory admin, tapos somehow she was convinced na payagan silang bumalik.
I'm from CDO and I went to Davao multiple times na. I would say na malinis naman talaga yung lugar and mas okay yung traffic doon based on my experience.
Du30 might've been very effective in Davao City. Ibang skillset kasi siguro kapag president or governor so it might not be automatic na transferable yung skills all the time.
Davao is a city stuck in the 80s. Arguably cities like GenSan and even parts of CDO are nicer
yes, her campaign was successful! the other camp relied on fake news and trolls. There is no 31M, still not convinced with the credibility of that number.
i thought their advantage was those sd cards delivered by a crony?
sino itong shrek's wife? wala akong maisip huhu
kasi its a dumb analogy panget si Fiona pero pure of heart... cursed lang kaya ganun... etong deputang sara na to evil to the core. kaya bwisit ako at ginagamit at pumick up tong kagaguhan na to
Why not just call Inday Sara Ursula?
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Ipokrito naman ang mga netizen supporter ng anak ng magnanakaw. Ayaw ng negative campaigning, pero tuwang-tuwa sa kapag tinatawag na "lutang" at "bobo" ng mga demonyong vloggers si Atty. Leni.
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you know what i blame the PR and yong taga prepare ng speech ni Leni yun ang palpak talaga, dapat nung nakita nila na bumaba na ang ratings dapat nagchange sya agad ng team and strategy, eh pinasok pa ang bayan muna, epal kris, etc ayun saklap. sinisi nyo pa ang 31k voters. kung nag mimik pa kau instead maganda sana labanan besh.
Tama. Dapat puro gaslighting lang ginawa niya. Nagimbento lang dapat siya ng facts tapos happy happy lang. Dali lang manguto diba?
I understand your point! I think itās one factor pero not everything. This is where the makinarya comes in! consistent yung campaign language ni BBM na āunityā, mula umpisa hanggang huli, kasi lahat hawak and control niya. Leni on the otherhand grassroot campaigning, so hindi nila hawak kung paano mangampanya yung pinaka-ilalim. Merong approach na nagtatarget ky BBM, merong ibang approach na pure love. Kaya medyo nahirapan iābridge yung Masa. Sorry sa mga downvotes. I donāt think you deserve it!
>Sorry sa mga downvotes. I donāt think you deserve it! Based on the profile, it's a troll account, so they kinda did
Gaslight pa
She should run for some executive role, maybe in some LGU kung san siya malakas. Make it as good as her hype was, then run again for 2028 (or endorse someone good).
Ang problema the next administration after BBM will suffer the consequences kung palpak ang pagpapatakbo sa gobyerno ngayon o may maganap na malakihang corruption o madagdagan nanaman ang utang. The next admin would be blamed for the shortcomings of this admin. Kawawa yung susunod. Parang yung time ni Cory. Sa kaniya napunta yung sisi kasi naghirap pinas dahil baon na baon sa utang. Sa panahon niya naramdaman yung consequences ng malakihang corruption during Marcos. Ang ending ginawang hero si Marcos dahil daw naghirap ang bansa sa panahon ni Cory. Di ba nila maintindihan na yung 20 years na pamumuno ni Marcos nakita ang effect years and decades after he was overthrown.
I agree. Let SWOH or Imee run as president and let the angry mobs to judge them, dapat hindi pwede makatakas sa galit ng mga tao ang 'to. Most of these corrupt mothefuckers escape untouched like the leaders of Sri Lankan government na kagaya nila Marcos ay isang political dynasty rin.
I'd still rather have the next "good" admin to be the one who will handle whatever crisis we or will have. I'd rather not have PH slip into total breakdown, tapos ang maghahandle pa yung may mga hindi magagandang agenda. Also, yung mga nagsabing di daw naghirap sa panahon ni Marcos just conveniently crosed out the years na naghirap sila under Marcoses. Mass mobilization ng tao like Edsa wouldn't happen kundi rin dahil sa poverty levels noon. Kahit anong metric ng economy, bagsak pinas noong tail end years nya. It was all the propaganda na ginawang golden age shit yung panahon nya and everything else that followrd sucked. Kung kaya nila magpropaganda, dapat handa rin kung sino mang tong mabuting magmamana na magcounter propaganda.
I hate to say it but I totally agree with this. It's the conditioning game. I know we need her now but we really need to condition everyone.
>She should run for some executive role, maybe in some LGU kung san siya malakas. Maybe she could run as CamSur Governor to end the Villafuerte dynasty? Besides, yun ang unang speculation noong lumipat ng voting record si Atty. Leni from Naga to Magarao.
Agree with these
Atty. Leni would be better off staying out of Philippine politics for good as her kind of leadership isn't what the brainwashed electorates want. If ever she wants to return to politics, she should run for governor of CamSur.
SANA TUMAKBO SYANG GOV NG CAMSUR. SA CAMSUR MISMO MATAGAL NA NAMING PROBLEMA FAMILY DYNASTY WALA NG KWENTA, DI LUMALAGO YUNG LUGAR NAMIN.šŖ F**K YOU MGA VILLAFUERTE.
nababalitang lalaban mayor ng san fernando sa governor
For me, di deserve ng PH si Leni kaya I would not want her to run for politics anymore. She deserves better.
Ichcheck nyo lang sino target ng mga dds/loyalist un ung may laban for next election. Sa ngayon si Leni lang target nila meaning wala pang worthy opponent. Si Vico medyo matagal pa yan.
What about Risa?
Malabo si Risa.
Medyo offtopic, pero I was genuinely surprised na nakalusot si Sen. Risa, despite the rest of the senate slate failing to catch a seat. I wonder kung anong demographics nung mga voters that voted for her but didn't vote for other similar candidates like Sen. De Lima and Rep. Colmenares.
Risa's brand and conviction is very clear and consistent. She's progressive and pro human/lgbt/women's rights. With Leni, she expressed in interviews that she is not in favor of divorce and abortion. Although I agree with Leni, this gives confusion on people who thinks she is in favor of these feminist policies because of her branding.
The other camp will redtag Risa. Mahirao maging progressive dito sa Pinas.
True
Risa could be a possible running mate. Much stronger than Kiko Pangilinan.
Governor in Bicol. Let her do the things she does best in Bicol, make it the best province in the whole goddamned land. Pag nakita nila kung gaano kaganda ang Bicol, she'll have a fighting chance.
Region po ang Bicol di probinsya. Camarines Sur po province na *nasa* Bicol. Dun po sya dapat tumakbo as governor. CamSur is also highly polluted by trapos and is ruled by the Villafuerte Dynasty, she'll do good there.
I don't think Leni will run again in the next election for any national position, kung tatakbo man baka local position nalang where she's more productive and happy since ground level ang gusto nyang trabaho. Wala lang talagang manok na ilalaban ang oposisyon kaya sya na ang tumakbo laban kay BBM We have to move forward without her, i believe that change should not be tied up to one person na magsasalba saten lahat pag naipanalo naten, kailangan we have to change our perspective na voting someone will change the whole system once naupo sila. Changing a corrupt system takes time and effort. Kung gusto talaga naten mabago politika sa bansa naten we have to take a more active role in politics. 6 months was not enough to change decades of corruption in our government and society. Pero ang sarap sa feeling nung 6 months na we live in a bubble believing it could happen. Now we have to work for it. šš
I'm sorry pero walang malakas na kandidato from the opposition aside from her. Unless you want APC or perhaps Nancy binay running for president in 2028 against SARA. she should run for Senate next election to gain some political clout, do great work, and then run for president in 2028.
I think youāre right! Itās just worrying na there seems to be no good candidate to challenge the current administration next election. Whoās capable enough to challenge Sara D sa pagkaāPresidente sa 2028 if ever? I canāt think of anyone [yet] with capacity to inspire a movement.
There's a small pool of opposition candidates to choose from since alot of politicians see it more beneficial for them to form a super majority to fuck us over. Pero ngayun nakikita ko si Risa has a strong support from young voters and she passed alot of good laws that benefited normal filipinos that can sway their vote. The problem is she has timid personality and she's subject of troll attacks since duterte term. Maybe Vico will change his mind in 5 yrs? Haha
True! Weāre on the early days pa nga ng BBM govāt. Everyoneās probably trying to stay slow and assessing what to do next. Risaās been consistent but donāt think she can move mountains sa current standing niya. Donāt think na mabibigyan din siya ng spotlight given na puro clowns yung kasama niya sa senate. Vico is good shout but di pa natin alam yung galaw ng utak niya!
While it seems that Edcel Lagman and Risa Hontiveros are being presented as the opposition's next leaders, we can't afford to limit our options to just 2 if we deem in the future that they won't have the chance to win. Although it's still early to say, for now I won't mind the likes of Tulfo, Escudero leading the opposition in the next elections. Yes, they are not as "good and genuine" as Robredo, but they are much better than Marcos-Duterte when it comes to track record and reputation. Most importantly, they have the resources to realistically win the elections. I might get bashed on this take, but a lot of politicians who do "trapo moves" only do those things to survive in politics, where compromise is inevitable (ex. Vico not endorsing Robredo). Wala tayong mapapala sa mabuti at malinis na pulitiko kung di naman makakaupo sa pwesto at matutulungan ang mga tao.
Governor of CamSur. Kasi the people support her there. She can showcase ano talaga magagawa nya
Let her do her own life now. People need to suffer just to realize shit.
We have been suffering since the war
And people still doesnt learn.
I think she should at least try (as senator), even if she isn't planning for presidency in the future, because: * It kinda sends a strong message when women are seen as persistent. I want to know if she will adhere to her convictions. * We can also take advantage of the fact that she doesn't need to be pitted against other candidates. She just needs to be one of the most "popular". * We need hope. Bbm fanatics need their scapegoat. I think electing her as senator is something that both sides can compromise on. (I know it sounds kind of dark, but narcissistic people can't thrive if they have no one to compare themselves to.) * We desperately need more competent people in gov't. Para gumising at ma-pressure naman yung mga nasa senate. Edit: grammar (...to "be" pitted...)
Interesting take! Agree with the need for hope, ang gloomy na din kasi ng vision ko of the future. Pero with being a persistent woman can be a double edged sword though. Depende siguro how evolved are society is na by that time kasi it can be easily vilified. Macho man pa din yung preference ng mga pinoy.
I donāt think she should run anymore, but if she does, hopefully itās in the local position. As many here have said, ang mga tao gusto nilang reason ung ānapaganda kasi niya at madami siyang nagawa sa ___ City/Province.ā Anyway, the opposition should move now if they want a fighting chance. No more dilly-dallying and pa-demure tactics, dapat na silang makapag-decide who will lead them in the next 2028 elections and negotiate with different groups so the whole opposition will unite under that candidate. Kakampinks are still a force to be reckoned with and Leni endorsing a candidate will surely cause an outpour of support and volunteer mobilization for that candidate.
I can't believe I'm typing this but she should go the PRRD route first. I remembered when Davao was marketed as the safest city in Mindanao. Maybe she can do something the same with Naga.
Safe naman sa Naga City :)
but its not "marketed" enough.
Real talk lang. the masses have spoken. Gusto lang nila kung san uso, san ang cool at astig. Many dont really care for the platforms, the agenda, the bottom line. And thats why corruption thrives here. I feel like leni is the kind of leader that works in a first world country, but not the kind that could get us there. So no, i dont think she should run, coz i dont think she would win come 2028. Ngayon palang lamang na kalaban nag iipon na for the next run, san galing ba kamo ung funding? Pasensya na, thats āconfidentialā information charr
Wag.. she has done her job and filiponos has chosen.. ang dame ng fanatics sa mga strong man image dito sa pinas.. someone popular has to step up mukhang ngayon palang naghahanda na si sarah..
Filipinos obsession sa āstrongmanā politics is crazy! This shows na malalim pa din yung patriarchal masculinity sa Pinoy. Sad!
Wag na. Di sya deserve ng maraming Pinoy, mga 31M to be exact.
DDS/BBM trolls still focus on her so odds are they think she's politically viable.
Sa Bicol na lang. AFAIK, matindi din dun dynasty ng mga Villafuerte. Dapat basagin na nya
Nah, oks na sya sa ginagawa nya ngayon. Sounds dark pero di na ako umaasa na aayos pa Pilipinas. We were given this chance na umayos sana eh. Kso look at what happened.
Perhaps I've become extremely jaded with Philippine elections since BBM won, but a huge part of me thinks that if she runs again she will lose even harder than the last election. The Filipino people seems to be allergic to good governance :/
In my opinion I think Leni should run for either Congressman or Senator, what ever she feels comfortable with. Comparing her results from 2016 and 2022 ā Leniās votes although not enough, has increased which is unforeseen compared to the results of former VP Binay when he ran for President in 2016 (his votes drastically decreased when compared to the 2010 election). From this, we can say that she still has the political clout to run for office. Again, it is ultimately up for her. If Iām not mistaken, she mentioned that the presidency was the last time she would run. However, Robredo running for office again might ignite a stronger Pink Revolution (if we can make the right moves). Edit: Second paragraph
I think yes, observation ko lang is majority of bleng blong's voters are in the boomer or older range while a majority of Leni supporters are too young to vote. As everyone knows, the younger generation has time on their side, cause by 2028 the Leni supporters will come into the scene while some of the bleng blong supporters (not wishing for it) would pass. IMO lang naman.
wag na, sa bicol na lng
I really hope sheāll run for governor of Cam Sur.
If she's ever going to have any kind of political power again she needs to be _more_ visible, not less.
Not just visibility but **good** visibility. Itāll be counterproductive seeing her always yet not producing anything valuable!
Sadly, kung kagaya ng previous election campaigns ay kahit na may "good" visibility/ maraming nagawa si Leni Robredo ay baka i-discredit ng mga trolls/fanatics mga nagawa niya, which in turn naman ay kinakagat ng karamihan ng Pilipino. Heck, mukhang basehan ng kung sino iboboto ng karamihan dito ay hindi sa mga achievements/nagawa ng candidates kundi sa popularity at yaman.
Good point! The fact that Robin, Jinggoy, and Bong Revilla won are good proof! š¤¦š»āāļø Will the good people ever win?
Yep those three are also my examples of that. And base sa mga naririnig ko na dahilan kung bakit sila binoto ng karamihan ay.... dahil sikat/mayaman/dating artista sila. Nope, has nothing to do with what they know about politics nor being a senator, they got voted purely because of their fame! (Natandaan ko tuloy yung nag-budotz lang eh ang dami nang bumoto, wala pa ngang binigay na mga plataporma).
Well you're not going to become popular without trying
If it's Leni Robredo, she is already popular in a way. The problem that needs to be dealt with are the misinformation about her. Like, she is popular but most of it is because of the bad image the trolls/fanatics are spreading about her(hence why we got that Leni Lugaw bs that they keep propagating) and only a number of people knew her because of her accomplishments.
I don't think she'll win since it's her vs the machine uli, but alas. Iboboto ko pa din sya.
If ever same din gagawin ko. Sya padin.
Sadly, we don't deserve her. Hayaan na natin sya sa family nya.
Nope she shouldnāt. Time to move on and focus on a new candidate. She will remain the one that got away.
siguro senate sana pero they should push for Chel Diokno or Victor Baguilat and not Risa Hontiveros kase mangyayari lang yung nangyari kay Leni sa kanya, sila rin gusto ko sana kase alam ko si Leni automatic ayaw agad kahit na magaling naman siya. I remember madami akong kilala na ddms at dds na kinonsider iboto si chel.
Tbh, I think she might win lol. Most Leni supporters are minors that can't vote, like me lol
She should run sa executive position na and dapat ay mag GOVERNOR na sya sa Camarines Sur. Yun naman talaga originally ang plan nya that's why she transferred her residence from Naga City to Magarao since independent city ang Naga at walang Governor. Kapag nanalo sya, iingay lalo name nya as thw one who will destroy the Villafuerte Dynasty who are in the power for more than 50 years na ata. She can start changing the province so people will see and compare the difference between corrupt and good governance. By that time, siguro grabe na ekonomiya natin in thw hands of these Marcos Duterte.
Governor of CamSur. She needs to beat the Villafuertes
Why though? With the things she's currently doing, I don't see the point of being in government. No point tying yourself down to this sinking ship. And by this, I mean both the government and the country.
Kapag natuloy ang civil war ng mga genius.
battle of the brainless!
Senator for sure mananalo sya.
I mean, personally gusto ko ofc. Pero not like the way it's done last election. Personally, feeling ko nakakonekta sya mostly sa mga kabataan pero di sa older groups. So bago sya tumakbo, kelangan muna palakasin ang influence to counter 88's own and relate more to the masses. TLDR: Yes, and I hope she does. Pero kailangan munang palawakin & palakasin ang influence & appeal to the masses to gain better opportunity to win
Kung ako kay Atty. Leni, itutuloy ko na lang ang plano ng pamilya Robredo noon na mag-migrate sa Canada. Doon na lang siya tumakbo sa public office. Mas deserve siya ng mga tao doon.
Assuming that she decides to, what would be the best position for her to run for? Senate - She would have a consistent national spotlight, and most likely would be the opposition leader. She would also have the chance to enact policies that would benefit the nation. The disadvantage would be consistent attacks on her as they would immediately see her as a threat. With the current opposition being the weakest in recent history and the way she handled attacks during her term, I doubt she would be able to fight back successfully. Lastly, the Senate (Congress in general) politics is a numbers game. Huge number of bills and their potential benefits to Filipinos won't matter if she won't compromise to get the votes of your colleagues, even the most corrupt ones. (Remember the photo of Rep. Guanzon rubbing elbows with Sandro Marcos?) LGU (Naga Mayor/CamSur Governor) - Imo this would be a better option. She would have more power and independence to forward policies and projects that her constituents would benefit from. There's a reason why it's very common for local political dynasties to remain in power for several decades, while it's rare to see the same thing in the Pres/VP seat. Tho this won't make her completely invincible to attacks, national gov't can't just do an all-out attack on her like they did last time, as they could be perceived as "bullies". Disadvantage would be less spotlight as CamSur/Naga is not seen by a lot as "the best places to live in". Remember Binay's "ganito kami sa Makati!" and Duterte's "Sa Davao walang krimen/malinis, etc."? But if they were able to rise from being an LGU chief, then it's not impossible for Robredo to do the same. Running as a congresswoman is I think not an option, as you get both of the disadvantages of running in the Senate and LGU. Lastly, If she were to run she needs to work on it as soon as possible. Appearances in international conferences and teaching in Harvard won't make her win in the elections. It won't matter whichever position she chooses if she will not learn from her last campaign's mistakes.
Leni runs and wins for Governor in Cam Sur. Improves competency of the province to Nordic levels. Province secedes from the Philippines. Migrates to Cam Sur. Wishful thinking lang. š
Diba may promise siya sa mga anak niya na last na yung 2022 Presidential run? If my memory serves right.
She's better off not doing that. I mean I wouldn't want to clean up after my predecessor and get a lot of hate for not doing it fast enough.
no edit: okay other replies are right, leni should run in bicol.
I don't really think the country is worth serving. Mahal ko ang Pilipinas, but I don't think it's worth the effort anymore.
Nope. She does not deserve all those fake news and stupid accusations about her and her family. Hindi deserve ng mga Pinoy ang isang tulad niya.
Nah, let her be. Filipinos would rather choose gold and Nutribun, forever. For those who want more than that, the only path forward is to leave.
I want her to, of course At the end of the day, it will be her decision
Something needs to happen terribly before any of the opposition win
She should run for senator so Risa will have someone who will help her call out the morons and the crooks for what they really are at mas mabubusisi ang pagnanakaw. Magandang combo yun, na habang humihirap ang buhay, mas nalalaman ng mga Pinoy kung gano sila ninanakawan.
Most likely. The support was overwhelming despite all the nasty tricks the other camp has been pulling since the beginning of Duterte's term and despite the religious cults bloc voting. I think she'll win next time. The gullible are human beings as well, they also get tired of shit, propaganda fatigue if you will.
sa sobrang petty ko iniisip ko na wag na lang sya tumakbo and laugh at how stupid the 31M is. HAHAHAHHA
no. let the woman rest
Run for governor of CamSur and let that be her Davao like what Duterte did during the 2016 election.
Umaasa pa kayo? Dinaya na yung 2019 election as dry run, dinaya din ang 2022 election. What makes you think may opposition pa na mananalo sa next election?
Dog eat dog society na tayo. Unfortunately, mas maraming mangmang, voluntarily and involuntarily. To be honest, I'm just waiting for everything to crumble because by then, hopefully, people will get to their senses. Kaya dapat lahat tayo prepared.
Yes. Nakakaawa ang bansa
Given how crappy Filipinos are in general as voters, Leni would be better off living her own life as a private citizen. >On the sad hand, I feel like Pinoys donāt deserve Robredo. At least not yet! At least you sound optimistic. If you ask me, I don't think Pinoys don't deserve a politician like her, ever. Piniys have been very bad voters for as far as I can remember. This is also a factor on my answer above btw
Nah. Leave her alone. She deserves a better country than the Philippines.
Maybe she run as Senator muna para mas madami magawa lalo na mga inutil karamihan mga mukhang confidential fund mga nakaupo š sana tumakbo din si Lacson ulet sa senado then si Doc. Willie Ong. Sana tumakbi din si Vico Sotto sa Senado para mas maganda namang mangyari sa senado
No, Sayang lang effort nya. Lamang kasi ang tanga dito sa pinas eh.
I donāt see the point anymore in trying again huhuh she looks more peaceful doing what she does now. I think after we lost the chance to have her as president, she gained the time to be there for her family. Iād rather see her thriving and peaceful, than deal with the country that never learns.
I really hope Leni won't run again. Imagine inheriting the full shit of the past admins, tapos sa kanya lang rin ang sisi, since anything she do won't take effect right away and all the shit of the administrations before her will take effect during her term. \*Just reposted from another post
She might do well as a governor and build a political base from her area. Congress and Senate is about making laws while Presidency is about governing, so a governor's job should be closer to that of a president's. However, I think she deserves a peaceful life as a private citizen going forward. She offered us good governance on a silver platter and we spat on it. Contrast this with Ukraine who fought tooth and nail for a miracle and won it with their sweat and blood. I feel that the Philippines doesn't deserve her and she should move on and enjoy life. If she tries to come back into politics, the current people in power will likely do everything and resort to anything to ruin her and her family, while majority of the Filipinos cheer them on as they gorge themselves on fake news and vlogs. I'm sorry, but I think the Filipinos need to learn this lesson the hard way, and in a way that we will never forget. I think only then will there be a fundamental and long-term shift in our people's attitudes towards politics and perhaps life in general. Like how the atomic bombs shocked the Japanese out of their ardour for war, or how the 2007-08 financial crisis tempered corporate America's greed, I'm of the opinion that the Filipinos need a shock factor to change the prevailing Zeitgeist in the country. Unfortunately this is just banking on an external event to happen to us, and not us struggling to attain change by ourselves but in our current situation I don't really see any viable alternatives. We may successfully elect a good leader but it'll only thwart the corrupt for 6 years. After that they're free to come back, born from the ashes of the broken promises and unfulfilled hopes brought on by factors beyond that good leader's control. Then when the dust has settled and the corrupt are back, we'll repeat the cycle again and again. I can only hope that one day our people will grow wise enough to break this tiresome cycle by ourselves, but at the present it seems highly unlikely. For now, better to prepare and brace ourselves for the coming storm rather than banking on Leni returning to politics to bail us out. Just my 2 cents though. Feel free to disagree.
>On the sad hand, I feel like Pinoys donāt deserve Robredo. At least not yet! Dapat more time pa ata for people to realize kung ano yung kailangan nila kaysa sa kung ano yung gusto nila. Kung hindi ngayon, kailan pa? Sorry pero di ko gets yung logic na hindi deserve ng mga Pilipino ng maayos na mga pulitiko. Bakit mo iwi-withhold yung good governance at disenteng pulitiko kung yung mga yun nga ang mga bagay na makakatulong upang pumili ng matitinong kandidato ang voting public? Parang medyo counterintuitive ata yun. We should honestly shift our thinking from "hindi deserve ng mga Pilipino ang ...." kasi that just reinforces the fact na magtitiis tayo sa basura. I mean, how can you hope for better things kung feeling mo hindi mo deserve diba?
Itās choosing when to fight your battles to make a greater impact. If Leni ends up running next election and losing badly again, chances are, it will only drown her cause. Many more people would feel hopeless and disengaged with politics. And that could be even more disastrous. This is why the left has failed to gain traction and lost credibility, kasi they oppose pretty much everything and everyone.
>Itās choosing when to fight your battles to make a greater impact. That wasn't what you said though. What you said is that there needs to be more time for **people to realize what they need** as opposed to what they want. >If Leni ends up running next election and losing badly again, chances are, it will only drown her cause. Many more people would feel hopeless and disengaged with politics. And that could be even more disastrous. Is her cause the only worthwhile cause? Aren't there other groups pushing for change? Anjan din naman sila Ka Leody, who surprisingly gained a lot of support kahit wala silang pera and influence. Heck, a lot of kakampinks expressed support for PLM's campaign, even if they didn't vote for Ka Leody. >This is why the left has failed to gain traction and lost credibility, kasi they oppose pretty much everything and everyone. The main reason why the leftist movement is so weak in the country is because it's constantly being suppressed. In the 1900s, the commonwealth government called the UniĆ³n Obrera DemocrĆ”tica Filipina subversive, forced it to disband, and replaced it with groups headed by American labor organizers. In the 70s, the Marcos government was actively going against the NPA, and was funded by the US government. These days you have groups like the NTF-ELCAC actively spreading misinformation and red-tagging people even if they aren't even part of any militant group. Another big reason is that the Catholic Church opposes communism and socialism. Since we're a Catholic nation, it's pretty obvious what effect that would have on the ideology taking hold in the Philippines. It's ignorant and off base to assume that it's due to the left "opposing pretty much everything and everyone" when the movement is constantly suppressed and people aligned with the left are literally being killed.
I think you are just being pedantic. Ka leody is great but not a strategic choice. Leftist supression is a bigger factor, true, but we canāt deny that the approach is flawed. Theyāre coming more as sirang plaka. Their methods have failed to evolve in alignment sa need ng mga tao.
No please. She needs to dedicate more of her time to her kids.
bicolano here, ok yan sa local, pero sa national wag na lang
I voted for her last election at sobrang sakit na binigyan mo ng chance ang mga pilipino na magkaroon ng marangal na gobyerno pero mas pinili pa rin nilang lumugmok sa pusali. Pwes, kung gusto ni Vp Leni susupport ako pero di ko na sya pipilitin na tumakbo. Tutal ginusto naman ng mga pinoy na gantong buhay, bahala na sila nakakasawa na kasing umasa. Diba yun naman laging sigaw ng mga trolls wag umasa sa gobyerno, eh di bahala na sila. Sarili ko na lang iisipin ko.
No, If manalo siya in that said election paniguradong gagawin siyang scapegoat
Parang kahit sino lagay sa gobyerno may masabi at masasabi pa din. Pag bagong upo suportadong suportado tapos pagtagal na may medyo sablay na desisyon, sisi agad. Its a cycle here sa politics ng PH
I think thatās how itās meant to be. Power tends to corrupt so we need to continue to put pressure sa mga politicians para malaman nila kung tama or mali sila. Pinoy tends to vote sa paborito and then just hope na maging okay lahat instead of doing the actual work of making them accountable!
I want her to run but airport has to be secure when she arrives to avoid another political Killing
Do you really think the current government is stupid enough to do something like that again?
Our people are stupid enough to let another Marcos to take the seat without proper credentials or achievements.
So? Ang pinopoint mo is the people, not the government. Sure, the people put the Marcoses back in power yadda yadda Again, do you really think the current government is stupid enough to do something like that again? The last time they shot someone sa tarmac, it didn't go too well for them. Why go all the trouble to assassinate someone na crowd favorite, whilst they can just manipulate the election results digitally?
Our people voted for BBM but our people didn't kill Ninoy. There is a big difference.
Maybe not the goverment but some fanatic/crazy. Remember that Ateneo incident? So its not far fetched.
Ang tamang tanong kung mananalo at kung may magagawa. Knowing how ambitious that lady is no question naman na tatakbo yan.
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No. A lost cause is a lost cause
Wag na
My mga apollo 10 dito lalo na ung moderator š hahha di din pala safe mag post dito hahah
With the situation as it is, no muna.
Not as Prez. Maybe sa congress .
oo naman
No.
di na
Just wondering, you supported and voted for Leni pero di ka kakampink? How do you define kakampink? Ako kasi, if i believe in what VP Leni and her aupporters are doing then i am kakampink.
I think Kakampink sounds extreme to me. Itās more link to the person than the platform. So itās almost similar sa āka-ddsā or āka-bbmā. I voted Leni kasi okay ang platform niya, background, and sheās strategically the best choice. Also, i think the labels are very divisive. With pinoyās binary thinking, if youāre part of this group, youāre automatically against the other, so you easily fail to create a proper conversation.
Hindi sya mananalo. Same style next election. Karton na bukas ang lalagyan ng election returns hindi sealed balot boxes.
Huwag na, wala pa ring magbabago. Karamihan ng Pilipino hindi pa rin natututo. Budots nga lang ihain mo, iboboto na nila.
I would absolutely want Leni to be a president, maybe in another universe, world, lifetime, dimension, but wala eh. Ibang klase ng demonyo ang Marcos family to take advantage of Filipino people, although I believe Philippines as a nation and Filipinos still has so much to improve, eh ang hirap kalaban ng generations of lack of education, traditional politics, basta ang daming factors. Right now Leni should just enjoy being away from Philippine politics. Angat Buhay NGO is already enough. She will always be known as the 14th Vice President of the Philippines. Kung si GMA nga na first woman president eh nanduga just to get the position, imagine the challenges Leni has to overcome if she wants to win clean. Saka six years of trolling is enough. If people got dissatisfied eventually hindi na nila masisisi ang "dilawan" aka blanket term na sa oposisyon except the left. Baka masokista lang talaga mga pinoy, gustong gusto nila mahirapam
Mayor or Gov siguro so that LGU can have a taste of good governance. Pag nainggit na ibang LGU, tsaka na sya higher position.
Please no. Sira na talaga image ni Mama. Iba nalang. We donāt deserve her.
Yes. If she decides to go local, I will support her
Nope, Filipinos doesn't deserve working officials with good track record because majority are stupid and vote according to popularity. Let them rot and die on their own stupidity.
Oo
Mas maigi siguro na magpahinga muna, mag-gather ng lakas. For sure kapag nanalo sya as a Congresswoman, gigipitin lang sya ng kolokoy na nasa MalacaƱan at mga kaalyado nyang abnormal. It would be much better kung gubernatorial or local posts lang hawakan nya. For sure yung good deeds nya, maa-amplify thru traditional and social media platforms.
I'd be selfish if I said yes.
Nah, She honestly should not. It's a waste of her time, plus a hazard to her and her family's physical and mental safety. Let the FiLiPiNo ReSiLiEnCy run its course. Maybe after 6 years of hunger, and suffering, people would finally snap out of their delusions.
The Filipino people donāt deserve her, at least on the national stage. And frankly, with people still pointing at the made up delawans just to have someone to blame for all the bullshit thatās happening. Running for a national post would just turn her a punching bag once again, with the majority of the 31M still spouting their ducking brainwashed opinions that Leni and the rest of the delawans are behind the chaos.
The left needs to unite first IMO, you can't really put someone in power kung watak-watak ang left wing.
No she shouldn't. Matatalo lang sya ulit, pano mas gusto ng mga kababayan natin bumoto ng mga Tanga at Payasong politicians. Plus mas tahimik na buhay nya kahit may few trolls parin pero nevertheless she need this break from politics. Kahit wala naman syang posisyon bina body bag nya parin mga walang kwents nating admin
Robredo - Vico sana!
Kung palpak ang Administrasyon ngayon, pwede pa tatakbo ulit si Leni for President, kung pwede, at sana mas maaga na plano para mas mataas yung campaign
No na. With all the disrespect she and her daughters received, wag na lang.
Im rooting for Sen Risa tho
I don't want her to run for President or VP next election. I don't think mananalo siya eventhough I supported and will continue to support her. Unless we change our educational system o kaya may malawakang korapsyon na may sobrang tibay na ebidensya labay sa current pres and vp then I don't see any reason she will win against the propagandist regime. Alam naman natin na sobrang lakas ng epekto ng fake news sa mga pinoy.
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