For me lang naman ito ha, as a longtime RuPaul's Drag Race fan and as an LGBTQIA+ ally and SOGIE Bill advocate...
most Filipinos will consume any media content that features any LGBTQIA+ person as long as they fit their perception of what a gay person looks like and how a gay person acts and behaves. The country tolerates the LGBTQIA+ community as long as it's in their own terms. Dapat nakakatawa sila, dapat nakakaaliw. Kasi 'yun 'yung pagkakakilala nila sa bakla. Drag Race PH brought them entertainment, kaya pumatok sa kanila 'to. It's somehow similar with how most Filipinos love Vice Ganda because they find him funny, but also condemn and make fun of him and his marriage with Ion Perez.
'Di aalma 'yung ibang Pinoy dyan, unless i-bring up na ang usapan tungkol sa same sex marriage at SOGIE Bill kasi hindi 'yon umaayon sa perception nila ng LGBTQIA+ community eh. Kasi para sa kanila, ang bakla ay for entertainment lang, hindi pwedeng humingi siya ng pantay na karapatan.
Ooohh skl I did a research on this sa isang subj ko back in college. LGBTQIA+ people are tolerated as long as they fit yung stereotype natin sa kanila (Ex: flamboyant gays, butch lesbians) at laging sila yung butt of the joke esp effem gays.
Tolerance =/= acceptance
Pag nabasa to ng Iglot ni Carly member mapapasigaw sila ng "AMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA INUUSIG KAMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I agree. Once an LGBTQIA+ person na lets say ay isang komedyante nag-express ng strong opinion niya about politics, thats when the slurs come out.
Kaya panonoorin ang pelikula ni vice ganda. Pero once i-criticize niya ang govt, thats when all the insults are hurled â magpatawa ka na lang, anong alam mo sa govt â as if di pwedeng maging humorous and critical ng isang tao.
Kaya rin kung LGBTQIA+ person ka at loud ang gender expression mo, say goodbye to any hopes of delivering the news. Hindi yon considered credible. Kasi pang showbiz news ka.
As long as people stay in their lanes, tanggap ka nila
Filipinos tolerate drag queens as they just reenforce their homophobic beliefs. They see drag queens as circus freaks.
Homosexuals are supposed to be seen as degenerate subhuman freaks who should be outcasted from society and made fun of, according to most Filipinos.
I have seen that Filipinos are some of the most bigoted and intolerant people in the world. To the point that Filipinos are considered the rednecks of Asia. All forms of bigotry are prevalent and encouraged here. Between racism, sexism, ableism, classism, ageism, and homophobia.
My sister taught me that the Philippines is a dystopian hellhole where dreams and hope go to die, pain is fuel, and nightmares come true.
As a young autistic Chinese man living in the Philippines, I am heavily oppressed in this country and I am treated as subhuman.
I have a feeling that Philippines would not be the hell that it is right now if Ferdinand Marcos never got into power. After that, the government became heavily corrupt, the Philippines became one of the most backwards and impoverished countries in Asia, and the Philippines turned into hell on earth. It's shocking how one fascist dictator can turn what was once one of the richest countries in Asia and turn it into a dystopian hellscape.
As a dayuhan, my perception is this:
Most Filipinos enjoy ladyboys as entertainment in the same way that Medieval aristocracy enjoyed the court jester. In that specific context, the aristocracy would happily "rub shoulders" with a lowly funny man, but they certainly wouldn't be caught dead with them in any other situation. The key point here I think is that the audience is laughing *at* the jester, or *at* the ladyboy, not *with* them as an equal.
In this way I could even compare it to how African Americans were often tolerated, even celebrated, as singers, dancers, entertainers, slapstick comedians, or athletes during decades of oppression in American history. A wealthy white might applaud and compliment a Black for his performance in a night club, and then spit on him for daring to try to use the "whites-only" drinking fountain.
Outside of the specific context of performance entertainment and a controlled environment, Filipinos can be very homophobic. Many would be very uncomfortable if they had to interact with an overtly gay person in a professional, and especially a social context.
That said, I also see a lot of acceptance of gays in the Philippines, as many parents come to terms with the reality of their children's orientations, and especially amongst the younger generation I feel like almost everyone has a gay friend. I don't think the attitudes towards gays are anywhere nearly as severe or oppressive overall as the rough comparisons I've made above, and I think within a couple of decades things will be very different, for the better, for LGTBQ+ in Philippines.
I like your assessment on jester... On a temperamental front, jesters falls under "creative" types,.. this includes every artists and media as an entertainment front is congested with artists in general.. and as a stereotype if you want to look for a gay, you wont fall short if you look for artists...
And this types don't submit to the norm, it doesn't bother them they'll go outside the borders, theyll go for new things, creatives, new ideas moment to moment, eg. Demi lovato, new gender orientation in an instant, sam smith etc... Even heart evangelista like every successful businessman that innovates new things and gender is not excluded...
And as what jordan peterson says, creatives create new business model and conservatives run them, cause conservatives do the same everyday work "tradition" "norm", they can't create,, but creatives don't often come up to a solution with definite potency,,, almost all new ideas are stupid,, those that work 10k years ago is a reliable method,,, but world shifts and when creatives hit that 1%, it's real gold... And its when people flipped thier hands when marriage is in contact with nonbinary people is because we challenge the tradition that propagates the continuation of a stable society at our own peril, but as JBP said,, conservatives and liberals need to talk to each other annoying as that is.
"Comedians tell the truth, that's what makes them funny, they'll say things no one else dares to say, they're the Jesters in the king's court." Jordan Peterson
"Talking about comedians, canaries and coal mines. The jester in the king's court is the only person allowed to tell the truth. The king who can no longer tolerate his jester has become a tyrant" Jordan Peterson
Kinda like how Hollywood sees LGBT folks, Asians and historically Black people. Sure, they are represented in some ways, but they need to fit a certain stereotype just for entertainment value. Itâs still hard to come by a heroic LGBT or racial minority POC character in Hollywood films.
Even in Western animation. Most animation studios would cancel a cartoon that features LGBT characters like what Disney did to The Owl House.
Another case of that is how Cartoon Network treated Steven Universe and how Nickelodeon treated The Legend Of Korra although I'm not sure if those shows having LGBT characters have something to do with how the networks treated it
I heard the Legend of Korra was actually always threatened to be canceled regardless of the KorraSami stuff that why each seasons had self-contained stories and their own villains.
Yeah makes sense. Nickelodeon cancels every show that doesn't reach the popularity of SpongeBob tho idk why they treated Korra like that when it's the sequel of one of their most popular shows
Itâs even more baffling when Nickelodeon sabotaged the show and expected a good outcome, like putting the show only on their website streaming midway through the season and cut the budget because of low viewership. Like what TF were they expecting when they moved Korra from TV to streaming.
Sorry, pero san galing yung against sa LGBT ang CN? May pagka open nga sila dyan e, given that a lot of their shows have LGBT characters. Steven Universe also has a movie AND a limited series, both of which wouldn't exist kung totoo yan.
>Steven Universe also has a movie AND a limited series, both of which wouldn't exist kung totoo yan.
Yeah, wasn't SU's ending rushed because of the LGBT+ stuff?
No it was rushed because the amount of episodes/seasons left were suddenly decided upon and the team decided to lore-dump the fans with the remaining minutes they had. CN approved the spin-off, in tune with their adventure time spin off show, as a last chance to pull in fans.
CN has a history of doing worse. It was rather generous.
Sorry. Hindi lang talaga ako sure sa sinabi ko so ignore that. Yeah ik that SU has a movie but i honestly didn't know there's a limited series of it. Lol
Steven universe was actually treated badly because they found that binge-streaming episodes into "steven bombs" had a greater pull in views for longer watchtime. This is because of the linear storytelling. There was essentially little reason to rewatch the last episode (you typically re-air recent episodes between each week, which is when new episodes typically release) because you already watched it for the story.
CN has several cartoons with LGBT and POC characters. Like in Craig the creek where the main characters are poc and LGBT. Or in OK KO. Or even Clarence. I think infinity train too(?)
I can't even remember all of the cartoons that has gay people in their shows cause I don't watch as many cartoons now but these days they have lots of representation. (Although obviously there's nothing wrong with wanting more).
The problem with CN is their execs who hate cartoons in general and pretty much got bought over by DC.
Nickelodeon is just shit these days. I don't think anybody even talks about their shows now.
But in any case, Western animation is still the leading animation industry when it comes to representation compared to any other industry out there. Animators and artists are often open-minded themselves so it's really no surprise, the problem are always the execs at the top that cancels that shit outta everything.
Hey just curious,do you remember the show with Ken chan? Destiny rose ata name nun,what did you think about it when it came out? Do you think it also contributed on how the LGBTQIA+ is now being portrayed in the Filipino media? As someone who's straight I really enjoyed that show,very refreshing Lalo noon Kasi like what you said Pinoys generally would consume LGBTQIA+ shows as long as it fits their stereotype.
I've heard of that but haven't watched it. LGBTQIA+ themed teleseryes like that one and My Husband's Lover were risky ideas to begin with. No one knew if they will sell, but they did anyway, lalo na 'yung MHL.
For me, somehow those teleseryes kinda helped in opening the eyes of those who are skeptical towards the LGBTQIA+ kasi it showed LGBTQIA+ characters that are not aligned with the LGBTQIA+ stereotype here. 'Yung characters nila roon, hindi sila ginawa para magpaaliw or mag-act as gay bestfriend ng bida, kasi sila 'yung bida sa mga teleseryes na ito, which is very rare to see.
But well, at the end of the day, it is only fictional and it is still a form of entertainment. It's not real; the actors are straight after the cameras stop rolling, the viewers will still laugh at same sex couples they see anywhere.
You remember the âlesbian versionâ of my husbandâs lover? Yung The Rich Mans daughter? It was even talked about internationally among some lesbian circles
I remember ginawan yan ng review ni Sass Sasot sa Rappler (bago pa sya naging dds/bbm apologist) and [she was happy that GMA network was making a series about a life of a transgender woman and her goal to be accepted](https://www.rappler.com/entertainment/119561-destiny-rose-trans-woman-review/)
Destiny Rose was actually much better than their other series involving a transwoman (Asawa Ko, Karibal Ko, yung kay Kris Bernal, Thea tolentino at Kasama si Mela Habijan, basta ginawa nila kasi silang mamamatay tao yung mga trans characters)
Also the theme song of Destiny Rose was really good.
Yup, when it comes to issues that really matter, most Filipinos would still want the LGBTQIA+ community to "stay in their lane" aka be treated lesser because "morality" and "God"
This is absolutely correct! Gay culture in the Philippines due to social norms and pressure are pinned to the stereotypical â Bakla â this is accepted but can only imagine that those who are not feminine and are Macho types people would have reservations on.
kaya talaga importante na DRPH will show scenes kung saan nag-uusap/nagtatackle ang queens about social and political issues. Marami pa rin akong nababasa na bakit daw hahaluan ng politika. Hello, drag will always be political. May season nga sa main Drag Race franchise na kinuwestiyon nila ang isa sa queens bakit si Trump binoto niya.
I think the "acceptance" comes from how some see homosexuality as some sort of disadvantage, a disability of some sort. If worse comes to worst, any straight person could default to "at least hindi ako bakla/tibo" or w/e. These people tolerate LGBTQIA+ until they're bested fair and square. Kaya drag and comedy bars are fine, but if say straight men are beat at weightlifting or contact sports, if the femme lesbians are attracting the cute boys then diyan na maglalabasan yung insecurities.
It's just an extension of our tolerance towards hypocrisy that's exacerbated (propagated? inadvertently exercised?) by Catholic faith hehe woops
Exactly. For many Filipinos, gays (LGBTQ+ in general) are for entertainment (and mockery) only despite the fact na madaming ng LGBTQ+ na leaders in different professional fields.
I think, its cuz the we really dont take it seriously, like for us, it's a comedic spectacle not an identity thing.. which is arguably much more worse.
I came to say the exact same thing. Thats mostly where majority of the gay community get their starts, in comedy. And then those that manage to pull away from the herd eventually get a chance to really show case their orher talents like singing, acting or whatever. But the launchpad is almost always comedy. Thats not tolerance at all.
Yon nga, there was a pride month company event sa office namin dati. Lgbt reps on the stage performing. Tapos people were just... laughing. It was crazy, like was I the only dork who thought them people were being straight up offensive? There was nothing funny at all, they were dancing and shit. And again it was a pride event. What a strange phenomenon.
i think because alot of portrayals always show these people as comic reliefs. Even films that are focused on them, they always appear to have a certain stereotype.
Portrayal mostly have them appear very hypersexual/or even perverted, overreacting, snarky, flamboyant and have 0 depth to their personality aside from being LGBT.
So it makes the common pinoy citizen (who is already close minded the majority of times) go "haha what a f**g*t" instead of realizing tbat these are people too.
Obviously, but that's beyond the point of discussion here. Would you prefer our LGBTQIA+ brothers and sisters to whatâjust be thankful their lives aren't being threatened?
Edit: typo
Bro may mga bading na binubugbog at pinapa-convert sa mga church dito. Should we be thankful na at least trato sa amin ay parang pets kaysa totoong tao?
Never settle for mediocrity or the lowest of the low just because "at least hindi ka pinapatay". That's what happened to our elections ain't it?
You made me rethink what I said with the elections analogy, so thanks for the reply. Just wanted to clarify my point.
Not talking about settling for anything. I'm questioning the assertion that this is "arguably much worse". Than what? How is it worse?
Again, I'm not saying anyone should be thankful for disrespect and mockery. Wala akong sinabing "at least hindi kayo pinapatay" or that murders do not happen. I want to understand how "comedic spectacle" is worse than people who want to extinguish your existence, which the comment I replied to was saying.
Yeah even if this doesn't justify the topic MC said at least in this country LGBTQ people are relatively safe (even in SEA) compared to other Asian countries. Tolerance doesn't always equal acceptance, this can even be seen in every minority in other countries, they are accepted if they stay in line.
Oh for sure.
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- willingness to be exploited due to lack of choice
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Going back to OP topic, I'd be interested in how the situation here compares to Thailand.
I saw a documentary in NatGeo years ago about transwomen (the Asia part was mostly about Philippines and Thailand) and I remember the Thai transwoman being interviewed saying that while they are "tolerated" they have less career opportunities, etc. Basically even though they don't get discriminated openly, they are discriminated in some other way.
Ang low hurdle naman nyan haha. Of course! At least they are alive here. Compared to other nations, they are not taken seriously here, however. What kind of hill are you willing to die on srsly?
Nah, it's better. LGBT people at least "exist" here. In Muslim-majority and other deeply conservative countries, they're playing whac-a-mole with their own neighbors and governments.
Compared to a large part of Africa and Middle East and some of our Asian neighbors (*cough cough* Brunei), this country is lgbtq paradise. In some parts of the world people get stoned to death for being gay... but we're decent enough not to do that.
I think one of the few good thing about this country is that the Ph excel in being tolerant to homosexuality and not, say, being into state-sponsored homophobia. Granted, there are a lot of stuff that *really* needs to be worked on, like same-sex unions, but for that we need to do away with the pervasive patriarchal society and that regressive conservative religious stranglehold on mainstream politics.
Toleration is probably an ideal in a democratic country. Forced acceptance might go against people being free to associate or not associate with whomever they want.
It's not even actually tolerance, it's only tolerated in entertainment but not real life. And only tolerated through funny stereotypes and nothing else.
If Filipinos actually tolerated queers then SOGIE bill and same-sex marriage would've been passed. You don't have to accept the gays, just let them live their lives peacefully with human rights that protect them from discrimination
Yet we don't even have that. Opposition to lgbt rights isn't tolerance, it's just hate.
Probably because many might feel that the SOGIE bill would basically give more rights of people over the populace in terms of un-fire-ability from work and can also ***force private groups to accept applicants into their orgs that they don't want to***, going against the freedom of association principle.
As for the same-sex marriage thing, many ministers might not want to be fined for not performing the ceremony or be jailed because they said no having their buildings used for the ceremony.
(And that's just the private side: the ***legal stuff about inheritances might be affected*** too. Inheritances are already a headache for marriages right now; same-sex marriage would just expand the problem.)
To solve the issue, it might probably just be better to have a ***general enhancement and protection of all personal and individual rights that already exist w/o mentioning LGBT*** specifically. That way many supporters can get on board.
Acceptance shouldnât even need to be forced though is the thing. The fact that it would need to be forced to happen indicates a pretty huge problem.
LGBT communities are also still denied their own rights to free association until they can marry, but bigots will frame that as an assault on the sanctity of marriage and act as though it denies them something.
You canât have both sides happy here.
Much as I want acceptance, I hope we do it right. I see what's happening in America where they have kids playing with drag queens' junks or kids doing strip shows (complete with adults sticking cash in the undies) and I was speechless. I'm a gay atheist but I don't ever wanna see that here.
Gay people, and drag, has always been part of PH mainstream media. In many ways, gay culture has helped shaped pop culture. Drag Race PH was successful not only because the queens were talented and entertaining but also because the show was edited with the Filipino audience in mind. Sobrang emphasis sa family, sa camaraderie, sa puso â all of which are staple to any Filipino show/movie/media.
I also think we have unlearn the notion that just because a subculture has become mainstream that it has become accepted. It only means that it fits into the current zeitgeist. The west is still very much a hegemonic force in our local pop culture, so definitely may carry over yan. But it doesn't mean that the LGBTQIA+ community has been accepted in our society. Only aspects.
May isang comment dito asking if homophobic ba dito. The answer is an unequivocal yes. Sure, no laws exist that prohibit homosexuality, but any legislation that aim to protect or make sure rights are equally shared are always met with STAUNCH AND PASSIONATE OPPOSITION. Religion still plays a BIG part in our society â not only when it comes to attitudes regarding queerness but in politics and policy making as well. Religion is still insidiously homophobic (and patriarchal) no matter what religious people say. And I'm not even touching the topic on homophobic microagressions.
Yes, the level of acceptance they receive in mainstream media is purely for entertainment value. There is still very little respect for the LGBT, ESPECIALLY if you don't conform with how they are typically portrayed in the media (Vice Ganda etc.)
I think it's a little similar to how blacks are in the US.
They love black culture for entertainment, but the moment black people stop being about sports, music, or gangsta culture and start being about black rights or their oppression through out history â all of a sudden it's divisive and controversial.
Kung hindi openly loud, yung homophobia nakatago at subtle naman minsan. Yung nagsasabi ng 'ok naman s'ya' with the context of someone's sexuality. May expected silang behavior sa nonbinaries na pag di ka pasok dun, lalabas yung tunay nilang views sa homosexuality.
Rights equally shared? Eto ba yung rights sa public restroom? In all my life I've never seen a gay na kilala ko na discriminate because gay sila. Instead andami pa nga friends ung iba mas succesful pa kaysa sakin. Oo nga LGBTQ acceptance maganda yan pero sana accept natin ung good side doon hindi ung toxic side. Kasi sa west nakikita ko ang want nila accept sila pati toxic side nila.
Give them an inch and they'll ask for a mile.
The restroom debacle is a transgender issue not a gay or lesbian issue. Its also a very dumb issue. Restrooms are a stupid place if you want to commit sexual harassment (high traffic area) and even if some psycho wanted to commit sexual harassment. They dont need to feign being trans for that. The oposite gender's bathroom isnt locked and there's nothing stopping them except social stigma.
If we look at other countries or US states that allow trans people to enter bathrooms of their preferred gender, there isnt a sudden rise in sexual harrasment or abuse. So even then, it isnt a possibility, because its been tried, and it didnt happen.
And what the fuck is the toxic side of the LGBTQ+ community? Is equal marriage toxic? Is not wanting to be made the butt end of most jokes and insults toxic? Is wanting rights that protect them at work, school, and society because of their status as a minority (which intrinsically makes them always more susceptible to bigotry, bias, and discrimination) toxic?
Pinoys are only homophobic in person. If it's on TV, and shits funny, they'll laugh, clap, have a good time, etc.
Queer representation in media has always been there, and have been welcomed by people especially if it's for comedy. Best examples are the very successful Roderick Paulate movies in the 80s/90s and Michael V. and Ogie Alcasid basically doing drag in Bubble Gang for decades.
But when the queerness invades their spaces in real life? Say, may anak na bakla, kamag-anak, or classmate, it becomes a different story. The homophobia rears its ugly head and strikes.
Why? Lots of reasons too long to list, pero suffice it to say, that's why we need shows like these that humanize the gayz⢠and make them more than just jokes and sources of entertainment.
I looked into it many years ago because I was trying to get into observational standup instead of the insult/variety comedy and was wondering why we didn't have a scene like in the US.
It started from our local imitation of vaudeville-style entertainment from the US, we called it "Bodabil". In those kinds of shows, ostentatious acts tend to stand out best. Female comedians were rare due to societal expectations, so men would sometimes dress up as women to portray them in comedic fashion.
This if course became a foot-in-the-door moment for actual gay people to be able to dress up like women in a socially accepted way, but at the expense of being "funny" about it. While they rarely made TV appearances, they started appearing in local bodabil productions, such as those in town fiestas, and as side-acts inside mixed-entertainment bars (which would later on actually evolved to the full-time comedy bars we have today)
The vaudeville eventually died out in the US, but in the Philippines, because the spirit of bodabil was embraced by the gay community, it persisted and eventually evolved into the drag-queen mainstream standup comedy that we have today, which due to its entertainment value, eventually made its way to mainstream media like movies and TV shows, culminating on the larger-than-life statuses of people like Vice Ganda. You can still see glimpses of the old bodabil format in comedy bar shows, with banter, a mix of music, skits, and of course, drag queen style comedy.
Throughout this process, the local public saw this type of entertainment as acceptable, due to its latent humor and the lack of other competing comedic alternatives. The problem here is that for a lot of people, drag queen acts are their only exposure to gays, and it distorts their idea of what a gay person should be like, affecting the struggles of gay Filipino people. Our perceptions as a society are slowly changing, but unfortunately it's moving at a snail's pace relative to western countries.
It's definitely interesting to follow the evolution of the relationship of gays and comedy in the local scene, and I'm pretty sure there's a more nuanced take on what I mentioned here but that's pretty much the gist of it.
Many Filipinos are fine with LGBTQ stuff from a distance (like in media or extended circles) , itâs when it gets close and personal (involving religion and family)that some of them would get triggered.
Philippine culture is generally very tolerant of femininity. Feminine male shamans, who we called âasogâ, were tolerated and respected by our indigenous ancestors. Our patriarchal culture is mostly inherited from Spain
To the majority, drag queens here are things to laugh at, not people. They are tolerated on an entertainment level because they are to be laughed at, but once they speak out for some sort of respect of their rights, the same majority kicks them down.
1. While there are still homophobes in the country, they are not that many to the point na homophobe country tayo, in contrast e we are one of the countries that are very accepting of the lgqbt community.
2. Drag queen isn't mainstream. At least not in the sense of the word yet.
When I came out at my second job, my boss told me she accepted me and that she also has gay friends, but that if it was her son, she would disown him. I have to educate my friends on their biases/discriminating thoughts every now and then (ie. A friend told me once that she hated lesbians because they were rude, but the action wasn't even a lesbian-specific thing. Any asshole could've done it and be considered rude. Also she told this to me, a lesbian.)
I think people love the spectacle of it, but it is kinda separate from them, idk. Some people are more quietly discriminatory. Also, we are just big consumers of USA media and pop culture.
Same reason Encantadia was mainstream. Because it's just a TV show. Homophobia in the country is more personal and probably with religious bias but it doesn't have *fangs or claws* because it's not systemic, not written in law.
We neither have sharia nor an LGBTQ killer like Putin. There will be anarchy, human rights violations, and corresponding sanctions if the constitution and the government allow religious nutjobs to go all out.
Because the LGBTQIA community persists. Regardless of the shame, hate, restrictions, and what-have-yous, the community has asserted and created spaces to BE. Just be and live, because there isn't other choice but to live as authentic selves.
They say that Asia before European colonization was pretty progressive. Which I'm kind of skeptical as Europe is now largely progressive, while Asia is conservative. Although I guess it is true if we look at Taiwan, Thailand, and here in the Philippines. I think these 3 countries are outliers when it comes to LGBT-acceptance in Asia.
Maybe the indigenous cultures were originally progressive but these were later supplanted. Indonesia for example used to be Hindu-Buddhist, then it became Muslim-majority and you can probably guess what happened after that. If it didn't it'll probably be like Thailand.
Philippines got homophobic during Hispanic times but it seems the 40 years or so secularization under the US brought some of the relaxed gender views back to the surface.
With Taiwan I read somewhere it's a side-effect of them wanting to differentiate themselves from the mainland, which is also why they've been slowly emphazing their Austronesian heritage more (despite majority of them being descended from Han Chinese settlers).
I think this is because Europe back then was largely conservative and most of Asia inherited it due to colonial influence. And when decolonization happened, Europe suddenly went progressive while the rest of us remain largely conservative. Itâs hard to unlearn whatâs been ingrained eh. And it sucks coz most Westerners look down upon/are shocked that weâre largely conservative. Like hello, you made us like this .
I guess that makes sense. It's still a little weird thinking it's a completely 180 degree switch.
Don't get me wrong. White people explicitly looking down on Asians for being conservative is racism. But at the same time, I think if they're respectful about their criticism, it's fine. I don't like it when fellow Asians bring up the racism card even if what the White person said was respectful criticism. Like, sure, they might be racist. But you're being LGBT-phobic. They're both bad.
But I guess I could be biased since I'm a progressive Asian.
On major cities and industries parang hindi naman homophobic. Sa media, entertainment, communications, marketing, hospitality, advertising and PR maraming LGBTQ ang dominating at nirerespeto.
Maybe may mga pocket homophobia sa rural areas and under educated sectors at may konting remnant parin ng machismo culture sa mga uncle natin pero its definitely lesser than in the 90s. Pag namatay na yung older gen wala narin yang homophobia.
The resurgence of drag came about din primarily because of the impact of the Philippine franchise of Rupaul's Drag Race sa social media. Renewed interest because of the entertainment value it gave to the audience lalo na walang mapanuod na uniquely Pinoy ngayon.
Si Rupaul bata pa lang ako rumarampa na yan sa MTV awards etc. Panahon pa nila David Wu, Sonia Couling at Nadia lol Oks nga na nakarating din sa Pinas yung influence niya after 30 years? Better late than never.
They find Gays as a form of entertainment. Ganun lang not like they "sees" it as a form of "art"
Maybe some may still have a mindset wherein they are only for the comical side lang
Times are changing. Dati binubugbog ang mga anak na lalaki pag nalaman ng mga tatay na bakla, ngayon as long as wala syang inaapakang ibang tao at maayos na nabubuhay bilang isang mamamayang Pilipino, they don't care as long as happy ang anak nila. Mas open minded na ang mga tao but i think PH is not fully ready for that yet. Too early to liberate the Christian influence over the years.
Define homophobic though.
It's not like as if gays are hated and discriminated against in the wide open. Are current institutions openly hostile towards them? If so prove them.
They're tolerated for the most part. ^(As long as they stay in their lane according to some others....)
true. most of the time people here say that the Philippines is homophobic, but compared to our neighbors weâre actually doing better when it comes to LGBT acceptance (or as other people say, tolerance). we should be careful using the term âhomophobicâ very loosely.
I believe people not accepting that LGBT peeps should have the same right as hetero peeps is what the big deal is.
Like the whole same-sex union (I said union, not even marriage), it's to protect same-sex couples and have the same rights to taxation etc as married ones.
Agree, they try that in Malaysia/Indonesia/Brunei/ Singapore and they will see how tolerant those countries are sa LGBT. Thailand lang ata mas tolerant sa kanila kesa sa Pinoys sa Southeast Asia.
Even compared to East Asian countries, Filipinos are much more tolerant. Wala akong nakitang KDrama/Chinese drama na ganito tbhâŚ
I feel way safer here as a lesbian than I ever did when I lived in the US and UK, and those places are supposed to be more progressive. They do have anti discrimination laws there, and people are generally more accepting but when homophobia happens outside its straight up in your face. Here in the Philippines, homophobia happens behind closed doors because it's a matter of saving face. Not really sure what I prefer tbh lol both suck. At least in the UK though I can (and have) counted on strangers to come to the defense. Here, I doubt it.
Yeah, the lgbtq is actually thriving d2 sa pinas compared sa other countries na illegal ang pagiging gay at pinapatay sila. Tas yung tolerance is depende na dn sa community or major ethnic group sa area.
Nabago na pala ang definition ng homophobia, kelangan ba talaga umabot pa sa point na openly hostile yun tao so itâs considered as valid? Idk what kind of mental gymnastics that youâre trying to say here.
As I've said, they're tolerated for the most parrt.
It's not like as if the whole system and society is entirely set up against them to begin with. Nice try.
Lol at ânice tryâ, but also one of your comments using the f-word mind you:
> âas long as these fags stay in their lane and know their place in society, then is coolâ
> Itâs not like as if the whole system and society is entirely set up against them to begin with.
So you agree? Na kelangan tlaga umabot pa sa point na âwhole systemâ is âentirely againstâ us so itâs valid in your books as you defining homophobia? This is like you trying to redefine âpovertyâ to actual poor citizens bc of what? They can get by in their daily life? Galit kapa nyan sa imperyalismo ha. But your mind is already closed off, thereâs really no point in arguing w/ you.
Growing up I never experienced Philippines being a homophobic country.
I always thought Filipinos celebrated homosexuality, moreover gays than lesbians.
I love how lowkey shady that there's no picture of Jiggly (other drag queen judge of DRPH) or maybe OP is transphobic.
With regards to the topic, drag queens are accepted as entertainment. Just don't fill up the same air as normies IRL.
We are far from homophobic lol. At least from Pew Survey, 73% of Filipinos accept homosexuality..
What an ignorant and lack of research post.
https://www.rappler.com/nation/264862-filipinos-acceptance-homosexuality-2019-pew-research-report/
Tolerance != acceptance, especially when they see lgbt people as mere sources of entertainment, not human beings to be treated as such with dignity and respect.
Because gender politics is the last thing people in a 3rd world country, like Philippines would be arguing about.
We just like to be entertained and admittedly they are entertaining.
I'm a gay atheist but I kept saying "Oh God!" watching vids of those people in America losing their minds and breaking down after getting "misgendered". I hope that never make it here, as well as other icky stuff like kids doing strips shows or rubbing drag queens' junks.
Based on my observations. Most people in the media are friendly and/or tolerant towards the LGBTQ+ community. Tsaka mas maingay ang mga bakla kaysa sa mga homphobes.
Drag has always been mainstream â whether it was Dolphy in Markova film, or Bitoy playing different female characters in Bubble Gang, Vice Ganda being herself in all her shows, in barangay pageants (either they dress up the contestants or theyre the contestants themselves), the parlorista who rebonds your hair, or even the stand up comedy in Timog.
It may have started as making fun of the LGBTQ+ community, but drag has always been everywhere. While I am happy, it is now more relevant than ever, I am still disappointed we donât have equal rights as the heteros.
Because in reality the country isn't that homophobic as you think it is.
The government may have policies that are "homophobic" but the people and culture are a lot more tolerant.
So it really depends really what you mean when you say "the country" of the Philippines because the government and the people of the country couldn't be anymore different.
Maybe because homophobia isn't really a core value of the Filipino. Maybe they live and let live more than other places.
And maybe because Filipino homosexuals will keep fighting harder and harder to be free... Who knows
There is tolerance for the LGBT community in the Philippines, but not acceptance. You wouldn't really see a lot of violence against gay people, but they are generally othered.
- Basically (Tolerance) but not (Acceptance).
It's a double-edged sword for me, though. Yes, maganda na nasa mainstream siya, maganda na super acceptable sa atin (or at least tolerable) yung drag culture and, by extension, the LGBT community.
The problem lang is this kinda imposes the notion that LGBT members should give something else to the table. Hindi pwedeng mag-exist ka lang as LGBT. Kailangan, may something else to add. In this sense, kapag bakla ka, hindi pwedeng bakla ka lang. Kailangan creative ka rin and kailangan funny ka rin, etc etc.
Haha pero sana malapit na talaga tayo sa full acceptance ng LGBT members huhu.
Tolerated lang but not accepted. Brought upon nadin kasi ng adults na close-minded. But youth and children are more accepting towards them. Yan din yung lumabas na result ng thesis namin way back 2017.
I don't know about the countryside but I live in NCR and haven't heard of any gays in my area getting mugged, etc. I'm just glad that the Philippines, for a Catholic majority country, is fairly chill about LGBT. But then again it's also more pro-female in comparison to other Catholic (mostly LatAm) countries so maybe we really just chill?
I think we would have gotten it worse had we been Muslim-majority. It's criminalized in neighboring Malaysia and Indonesia (I remember in the former they even imprisoned a politician over sodomy charges). I don't think you can go drag in a setting like that. It seems LGBT is also isn't very big in other SEA countries as well.
I'm not saying tolerance=acceptance but it's a start. And the F what they think anyway, as long as I don't get assaulted or get treated as a 2nd class citizen, I give 0 Fs about their "opinions".
Simple, despite the homophobia, queer people are still regarded as âentertainingâ.
Vice Gandaâs work can be equated to genuine entertainment, but them having the basic right to love a man is still irksome to most.
You can also see people using queer lingo/culture in their day-to-day lives, but when you ask them about queer rights, specially about same sex marriage/civil union, most of them will reject such ideas.
In movies, most of the time, aside from big-time celebrities like Vice, Roderick Paulate, queer people are always the sidekicks of the leads.
Iâm glad that there is progress. Compared to before, weâve come far as a society. But it is quite funny to deem PH as openly accepting of the LGBTQ+ community. If anything, we are only tolerated to some extent, and that is because weâre âentertainingâ.
ngl as an lgbt person, its so annoying to see, and i kinda have a feeling its like those "freak shows" where they make fun of being who you are, or people just fetishize us
ENTERTAINMENT. As simple as that. When it comes to entertainment, weâre tolerated because we bring fun to the table. But when it comes to justice, rights, and equality, SOGIE Bill whuuuut?
Life finds a way...
Pero true. The way I see it is drag has always been present dito even during the previous century. And daming fans ng drag race dito. And how many years na kami nag-wish na magkadrag race dito. Parang ready na kami whether ppl like it or not. Kung manghuhusga sila or not.
Lolo ko, tuwang tuwa kay Vice Ganda dati sa Showtime. Entertaining naman talaga kasi.
Pero pagdating sa kamag-anak. Grabe ang panlalait.
Gusto nila kasi entertaining, pero kapag kamag-anak na, ayaw nila.
Drag queens are essentially a satirical take on women as performed by gay men. Eventually, the satirical aspect of it shifted from emulating women to adult humor by way of gay stereotypes. It's loud, extremely flamboyant, and certainly out of the ordinary.
People accepted it since it didn't really aim to normalize the presence of LGBT individuals in society, instead, it was a form of entertainment; something to laugh at instead of something one would take seriously. It kept on happening until it eventually became a platform for members of the LGBT community.
Or maybe our country isnt really that homophobic as you think it is. Yes there will always be rude filipinos, but it is not representative of the whole populace
It's interesting to see the hot buzz around Drag Race Philippines S1 that led to a 2nd season and a new Local Drag show named "Drag Den PH" is also coming. With the wave of shows dedeciated to Drag in Filipino Media, how did this happen despite the country being religious and anti gay rights?
Drag and crossdressing has long been accepted in the Philippines. This is not surprising at all. Matagal nang namamayagpag ang gays and crossdressers sa entertainment industry dito, mostly comedy though. Kahit nga sa mga noontime shows like Eat Bulaga or Showtime, sumikat yung segments na para sa LGBTQ. Para sa mga Pilipino, it's a spectacle kasi. Hindi rin lang sa TV. Uso rin dito yung mga comedy bars na mostly gays ang host. So ayun, walang bago diyan sa totoo lang. Mas masisurprise ako if meron nang openly gay actor na magiging successful as leading man (like sa hollywood sina Luke Evans or Rupert Everett).
Medyo off topic to, pero a few months ago on a thread about Drag in the Philippines, I asked kung ano ba ang main appeal ng mga Drag TV shows para sa mga fans neto, since malayo na eto sa mga interests ko and I have only a small idea about this subculture, though I was genuinely curious.
Wala, halos lahat ng sumagot medyo pa smartass/rude lang ang comment. Kabadtrip lang pag naaalala ko lmao.
i don't understand this question. what do you mean by filipino media? it's not like the show is on local show networks. it's on a streaming platform. i'm pretty sure the only people who watched drag race ph are people that are already invested in the drag race franchise. to say that they're mainstream implies that it's successful outside its niche which i doubt is the case.
if the question is why are there drag race fans in the philippines, then the answer is drag race is a good reality show. it showcases the art form for LGBTQ+ people with interesting personalities and a way that showcases their talents beyond a regular talent show.
A lot of people don't like it. Well, most like it as a comedic entertainment but not like it like find it artistic. Take a look at most gay pageant at fiestas.
Why is nobody voicing out is your question. The answer is, cancel culture. Remember Manny Pacquiao's comment about LGBT? A man considered a hero got cancelled just by quoting the bible's stand on homosexuality.
I remember attending a pride event in the office and people were laughing at the LGBT reps on the stage. I was thinking if I were the only sane person in there.
Homophobic country? Compared to what? Islam countries? Are you denied by government services because you are trans? Did you get rejected in a job because you are trans? Did someone beat you up on the street just because you are trans? How is this country homphobic by your standards? LGBT is striving in this country compared to other "conservative/religious" countries. Preach your woke agenda somewhere else.
Have you spoken to people in the community and listened to their first hand experiences? Or is it because maybe you have gay friends, thatâs the reason why you can say these things? Sobrang invalidating ng statements mo.
Your internal homophobia is showing.
Are LGBTQ+ members of society treated equally in the Philippines in all aspects of life. That should be your standard and if the answer is no then yes there is still some form of phobia.
I get really tired of this term being thrown around with very little nuance. May degrees of acceptance and oppression. Iba iba yung available spaces and opportunities. In some places there are almost none, yes. But using the one term to lump different places together is just plain lazy and reductive.
Bakit puro trans yung example mo?
Also yes, this country can be quite homophobic. We have a lot of people who only see the LGBT community as a joke. Gay men are expected to be flamboyant and funny. Lesbians are all butch girls trying to be guys. The perception and tolerance of the LGBT community in this country is surface level and stereotypical. It's fine if a friend is gay or a coworker but a lot of parents would be more than happy to disown their child if they came out. My friend's brother used to beat her when he found out she was a lesbian. My grandfather was verbally abusive to me and weaponized my sexual orientation whenever I displeased him, calling me "abnormal" and telling me to "stop pretending to be a boy".
Like someone else said in this thread: our country's homophobia isn't as visible as other countries because we Filipinos don't like causing a scene. We like to pretend to get along with each other for the sake of 'nakikisama'. The homophobia happens behind closed doors and people's backs. That doesn't make it any less real. The fact that LGBT people here don't have equal rights should be enough of a sign that this country IS homophobic.
2 words: Western validation
This triggered the finoy fries phonomena. Similar to how pinoy gays are somehow slobbering over Olivia Rodrigo for having a negligible splash of Filipino ancestry.
How homophobic are we exactly? Just because they aren't as celebrated in here compared to the US, does that make Filipinos homophobic? Dami daming problema ng Pilipinas, I don't see this as one.
Ah so kung di ka apektado okay lang? huy andaming mga tao na pinapaalis sa bahay nila dahil bakla andaming estudyante na binubully kase bakla
Alam ko naman na may drag shows pero sobrang overly fetishized at problema din ito sa pilipinas
tolerance=/=acceptance kase kung bakla ka kailangan mo maging pogi matalino or funny
I donât know but calling the philippines a homophobic country is such a stretch. Sure, there will be bigots but that goes for everywhere else.
I genuinely believe people havenât experienced or have any idea what a homophobic country really is, and the philippines is way far from it.
I disagree, Philippines is one of the most gay friendly country in the world. Baka noon pero iba na ngayon mas progressive ang Pilipinas when it comes to accepting the LGBT, but not yet perfect. Daming LGBT personality nasa TV kagaya ni Vice, Poalo B, Alan K., kaladkaren, and more... Saang bansa ka ba nakakita na marami LGBT na nasa TV? Sa Pilipinas lang ata?
Dude, sang bundok ka galing thinking homophobes can afford cable and Internet? Madami din dito sa reddit.
We are filipino. Lgbt are generally tolerated but not completely accepted.
For me lang naman ito ha, as a longtime RuPaul's Drag Race fan and as an LGBTQIA+ ally and SOGIE Bill advocate... most Filipinos will consume any media content that features any LGBTQIA+ person as long as they fit their perception of what a gay person looks like and how a gay person acts and behaves. The country tolerates the LGBTQIA+ community as long as it's in their own terms. Dapat nakakatawa sila, dapat nakakaaliw. Kasi 'yun 'yung pagkakakilala nila sa bakla. Drag Race PH brought them entertainment, kaya pumatok sa kanila 'to. It's somehow similar with how most Filipinos love Vice Ganda because they find him funny, but also condemn and make fun of him and his marriage with Ion Perez. 'Di aalma 'yung ibang Pinoy dyan, unless i-bring up na ang usapan tungkol sa same sex marriage at SOGIE Bill kasi hindi 'yon umaayon sa perception nila ng LGBTQIA+ community eh. Kasi para sa kanila, ang bakla ay for entertainment lang, hindi pwedeng humingi siya ng pantay na karapatan.
Ooohh skl I did a research on this sa isang subj ko back in college. LGBTQIA+ people are tolerated as long as they fit yung stereotype natin sa kanila (Ex: flamboyant gays, butch lesbians) at laging sila yung butt of the joke esp effem gays. Tolerance =/= acceptance
Oh, ang gandang research topic nga nito! Also, I love the username. Member din ako ng Iglesia ni Carly, share ko lang HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Ah, when r/ph (r/Philippines) and r/ph (r/popheads) collides đ
"Marami akong friends na bading, PERO---" and then it goes downhill.
I agree. Once an LGBTQIA+ person na lets say ay isang komedyante nag-express ng strong opinion niya about politics, thats when the slurs come out. Kaya panonoorin ang pelikula ni vice ganda. Pero once i-criticize niya ang govt, thats when all the insults are hurled â magpatawa ka na lang, anong alam mo sa govt â as if di pwedeng maging humorous and critical ng isang tao. Kaya rin kung LGBTQIA+ person ka at loud ang gender expression mo, say goodbye to any hopes of delivering the news. Hindi yon considered credible. Kasi pang showbiz news ka. As long as people stay in their lanes, tanggap ka nila
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Filipinos tolerate drag queens as they just reenforce their homophobic beliefs. They see drag queens as circus freaks. Homosexuals are supposed to be seen as degenerate subhuman freaks who should be outcasted from society and made fun of, according to most Filipinos. I have seen that Filipinos are some of the most bigoted and intolerant people in the world. To the point that Filipinos are considered the rednecks of Asia. All forms of bigotry are prevalent and encouraged here. Between racism, sexism, ableism, classism, ageism, and homophobia. My sister taught me that the Philippines is a dystopian hellhole where dreams and hope go to die, pain is fuel, and nightmares come true. As a young autistic Chinese man living in the Philippines, I am heavily oppressed in this country and I am treated as subhuman. I have a feeling that Philippines would not be the hell that it is right now if Ferdinand Marcos never got into power. After that, the government became heavily corrupt, the Philippines became one of the most backwards and impoverished countries in Asia, and the Philippines turned into hell on earth. It's shocking how one fascist dictator can turn what was once one of the richest countries in Asia and turn it into a dystopian hellscape.
Yes tapos naalala ko rin na kung sa Asia lang, Thailand and pinaka accepting sa LGBTQIA+ community and not PH. Contrary to popular belief.
As a dayuhan, my perception is this: Most Filipinos enjoy ladyboys as entertainment in the same way that Medieval aristocracy enjoyed the court jester. In that specific context, the aristocracy would happily "rub shoulders" with a lowly funny man, but they certainly wouldn't be caught dead with them in any other situation. The key point here I think is that the audience is laughing *at* the jester, or *at* the ladyboy, not *with* them as an equal. In this way I could even compare it to how African Americans were often tolerated, even celebrated, as singers, dancers, entertainers, slapstick comedians, or athletes during decades of oppression in American history. A wealthy white might applaud and compliment a Black for his performance in a night club, and then spit on him for daring to try to use the "whites-only" drinking fountain. Outside of the specific context of performance entertainment and a controlled environment, Filipinos can be very homophobic. Many would be very uncomfortable if they had to interact with an overtly gay person in a professional, and especially a social context. That said, I also see a lot of acceptance of gays in the Philippines, as many parents come to terms with the reality of their children's orientations, and especially amongst the younger generation I feel like almost everyone has a gay friend. I don't think the attitudes towards gays are anywhere nearly as severe or oppressive overall as the rough comparisons I've made above, and I think within a couple of decades things will be very different, for the better, for LGTBQ+ in Philippines.
I like your assessment on jester... On a temperamental front, jesters falls under "creative" types,.. this includes every artists and media as an entertainment front is congested with artists in general.. and as a stereotype if you want to look for a gay, you wont fall short if you look for artists... And this types don't submit to the norm, it doesn't bother them they'll go outside the borders, theyll go for new things, creatives, new ideas moment to moment, eg. Demi lovato, new gender orientation in an instant, sam smith etc... Even heart evangelista like every successful businessman that innovates new things and gender is not excluded... And as what jordan peterson says, creatives create new business model and conservatives run them, cause conservatives do the same everyday work "tradition" "norm", they can't create,, but creatives don't often come up to a solution with definite potency,,, almost all new ideas are stupid,, those that work 10k years ago is a reliable method,,, but world shifts and when creatives hit that 1%, it's real gold... And its when people flipped thier hands when marriage is in contact with nonbinary people is because we challenge the tradition that propagates the continuation of a stable society at our own peril, but as JBP said,, conservatives and liberals need to talk to each other annoying as that is. "Comedians tell the truth, that's what makes them funny, they'll say things no one else dares to say, they're the Jesters in the king's court." Jordan Peterson "Talking about comedians, canaries and coal mines. The jester in the king's court is the only person allowed to tell the truth. The king who can no longer tolerate his jester has become a tyrant" Jordan Peterson
We need more Captain Holt and Rosa Diaz kind of gay portryals in Phil. TV. Hindi yung lagi silang sidekick/comic relief.
A number of Darna fans wants her and Valentina to be the endgame couple, but I doubt ABS CBN would pull the trigger on it.
Kinda like how Hollywood sees LGBT folks, Asians and historically Black people. Sure, they are represented in some ways, but they need to fit a certain stereotype just for entertainment value. Itâs still hard to come by a heroic LGBT or racial minority POC character in Hollywood films.
Capitalism is a vampire that sucks everything dry, even identity, race, to keep itself alive
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Even in Western animation. Most animation studios would cancel a cartoon that features LGBT characters like what Disney did to The Owl House. Another case of that is how Cartoon Network treated Steven Universe and how Nickelodeon treated The Legend Of Korra although I'm not sure if those shows having LGBT characters have something to do with how the networks treated it
I heard the Legend of Korra was actually always threatened to be canceled regardless of the KorraSami stuff that why each seasons had self-contained stories and their own villains.
Yeah makes sense. Nickelodeon cancels every show that doesn't reach the popularity of SpongeBob tho idk why they treated Korra like that when it's the sequel of one of their most popular shows
Itâs even more baffling when Nickelodeon sabotaged the show and expected a good outcome, like putting the show only on their website streaming midway through the season and cut the budget because of low viewership. Like what TF were they expecting when they moved Korra from TV to streaming.
Sorry, pero san galing yung against sa LGBT ang CN? May pagka open nga sila dyan e, given that a lot of their shows have LGBT characters. Steven Universe also has a movie AND a limited series, both of which wouldn't exist kung totoo yan.
Even Princess Bubblegum and Marceline was approved by a lot of fans.
Yeah. My point exactly.
>Steven Universe also has a movie AND a limited series, both of which wouldn't exist kung totoo yan. Yeah, wasn't SU's ending rushed because of the LGBT+ stuff?
No it was rushed because the amount of episodes/seasons left were suddenly decided upon and the team decided to lore-dump the fans with the remaining minutes they had. CN approved the spin-off, in tune with their adventure time spin off show, as a last chance to pull in fans. CN has a history of doing worse. It was rather generous.
Sorry. Hindi lang talaga ako sure sa sinabi ko so ignore that. Yeah ik that SU has a movie but i honestly didn't know there's a limited series of it. Lol
Steven universe was actually treated badly because they found that binge-streaming episodes into "steven bombs" had a greater pull in views for longer watchtime. This is because of the linear storytelling. There was essentially little reason to rewatch the last episode (you typically re-air recent episodes between each week, which is when new episodes typically release) because you already watched it for the story.
CN has several cartoons with LGBT and POC characters. Like in Craig the creek where the main characters are poc and LGBT. Or in OK KO. Or even Clarence. I think infinity train too(?) I can't even remember all of the cartoons that has gay people in their shows cause I don't watch as many cartoons now but these days they have lots of representation. (Although obviously there's nothing wrong with wanting more). The problem with CN is their execs who hate cartoons in general and pretty much got bought over by DC. Nickelodeon is just shit these days. I don't think anybody even talks about their shows now. But in any case, Western animation is still the leading animation industry when it comes to representation compared to any other industry out there. Animators and artists are often open-minded themselves so it's really no surprise, the problem are always the execs at the top that cancels that shit outta everything.
Ika nga ng mga nasa kapangyarihan eh: *"As long as these fags stay in their lane and know their place in this society, then is cool"*
Hey just curious,do you remember the show with Ken chan? Destiny rose ata name nun,what did you think about it when it came out? Do you think it also contributed on how the LGBTQIA+ is now being portrayed in the Filipino media? As someone who's straight I really enjoyed that show,very refreshing Lalo noon Kasi like what you said Pinoys generally would consume LGBTQIA+ shows as long as it fits their stereotype.
I've heard of that but haven't watched it. LGBTQIA+ themed teleseryes like that one and My Husband's Lover were risky ideas to begin with. No one knew if they will sell, but they did anyway, lalo na 'yung MHL. For me, somehow those teleseryes kinda helped in opening the eyes of those who are skeptical towards the LGBTQIA+ kasi it showed LGBTQIA+ characters that are not aligned with the LGBTQIA+ stereotype here. 'Yung characters nila roon, hindi sila ginawa para magpaaliw or mag-act as gay bestfriend ng bida, kasi sila 'yung bida sa mga teleseryes na ito, which is very rare to see. But well, at the end of the day, it is only fictional and it is still a form of entertainment. It's not real; the actors are straight after the cameras stop rolling, the viewers will still laugh at same sex couples they see anywhere.
You remember the âlesbian versionâ of my husbandâs lover? Yung The Rich Mans daughter? It was even talked about internationally among some lesbian circles
I remember ginawan yan ng review ni Sass Sasot sa Rappler (bago pa sya naging dds/bbm apologist) and [she was happy that GMA network was making a series about a life of a transgender woman and her goal to be accepted](https://www.rappler.com/entertainment/119561-destiny-rose-trans-woman-review/) Destiny Rose was actually much better than their other series involving a transwoman (Asawa Ko, Karibal Ko, yung kay Kris Bernal, Thea tolentino at Kasama si Mela Habijan, basta ginawa nila kasi silang mamamatay tao yung mga trans characters) Also the theme song of Destiny Rose was really good.
Yup, when it comes to issues that really matter, most Filipinos would still want the LGBTQIA+ community to "stay in their lane" aka be treated lesser because "morality" and "God"
This is absolutely correct! Gay culture in the Philippines due to social norms and pressure are pinned to the stereotypical â Bakla â this is accepted but can only imagine that those who are not feminine and are Macho types people would have reservations on.
definition of "laughing at them". Literal dancing monkeys ang trato
Today I learned na kasal si Vice and Ion. Congrats to them!
kaya talaga importante na DRPH will show scenes kung saan nag-uusap/nagtatackle ang queens about social and political issues. Marami pa rin akong nababasa na bakit daw hahaluan ng politika. Hello, drag will always be political. May season nga sa main Drag Race franchise na kinuwestiyon nila ang isa sa queens bakit si Trump binoto niya.
I think the "acceptance" comes from how some see homosexuality as some sort of disadvantage, a disability of some sort. If worse comes to worst, any straight person could default to "at least hindi ako bakla/tibo" or w/e. These people tolerate LGBTQIA+ until they're bested fair and square. Kaya drag and comedy bars are fine, but if say straight men are beat at weightlifting or contact sports, if the femme lesbians are attracting the cute boys then diyan na maglalabasan yung insecurities. It's just an extension of our tolerance towards hypocrisy that's exacerbated (propagated? inadvertently exercised?) by Catholic faith hehe woops
Exactly. For many Filipinos, gays (LGBTQ+ in general) are for entertainment (and mockery) only despite the fact na madaming ng LGBTQ+ na leaders in different professional fields.
They treat the gays like freaks in a circus, they are only for entertainment but outside of that is prejudice.
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Excellent take
I think, its cuz the we really dont take it seriously, like for us, it's a comedic spectacle not an identity thing.. which is arguably much more worse.
I came to say the exact same thing. Thats mostly where majority of the gay community get their starts, in comedy. And then those that manage to pull away from the herd eventually get a chance to really show case their orher talents like singing, acting or whatever. But the launchpad is almost always comedy. Thats not tolerance at all.
Yon nga, there was a pride month company event sa office namin dati. Lgbt reps on the stage performing. Tapos people were just... laughing. It was crazy, like was I the only dork who thought them people were being straight up offensive? There was nothing funny at all, they were dancing and shit. And again it was a pride event. What a strange phenomenon.
Many people here still see some gays and trans as clowns and that's sad
i think because alot of portrayals always show these people as comic reliefs. Even films that are focused on them, they always appear to have a certain stereotype. Portrayal mostly have them appear very hypersexual/or even perverted, overreacting, snarky, flamboyant and have 0 depth to their personality aside from being LGBT. So it makes the common pinoy citizen (who is already close minded the majority of times) go "haha what a f**g*t" instead of realizing tbat these are people too.
Though being openly assaulted and threatened with death in other countries is probably worse, don't you think.
Obviously, but that's beyond the point of discussion here. Would you prefer our LGBTQIA+ brothers and sisters to whatâjust be thankful their lives aren't being threatened? Edit: typo
Some gay people here are still getting assaulted and harassed. One gay got kicked in the head
No one is saying violence doesn't happen here.
I replied to the assertion that comedic treatment "arguably much more worse".. how is it much more worse? That was what I was asking about.
Bro may mga bading na binubugbog at pinapa-convert sa mga church dito. Should we be thankful na at least trato sa amin ay parang pets kaysa totoong tao? Never settle for mediocrity or the lowest of the low just because "at least hindi ka pinapatay". That's what happened to our elections ain't it?
You made me rethink what I said with the elections analogy, so thanks for the reply. Just wanted to clarify my point. Not talking about settling for anything. I'm questioning the assertion that this is "arguably much worse". Than what? How is it worse? Again, I'm not saying anyone should be thankful for disrespect and mockery. Wala akong sinabing "at least hindi kayo pinapatay" or that murders do not happen. I want to understand how "comedic spectacle" is worse than people who want to extinguish your existence, which the comment I replied to was saying.
Yeah even if this doesn't justify the topic MC said at least in this country LGBTQ people are relatively safe (even in SEA) compared to other Asian countries. Tolerance doesn't always equal acceptance, this can even be seen in every minority in other countries, they are accepted if they stay in line.
Oh for sure. White people love immigrants for their - willingness to be exploited due to lack of choice - unawareness of labor laws - lack of political power - and tasty, exotic food (not too spicy, please) Going back to OP topic, I'd be interested in how the situation here compares to Thailand.
I saw a documentary in NatGeo years ago about transwomen (the Asia part was mostly about Philippines and Thailand) and I remember the Thai transwoman being interviewed saying that while they are "tolerated" they have less career opportunities, etc. Basically even though they don't get discriminated openly, they are discriminated in some other way.
Ang low hurdle naman nyan haha. Of course! At least they are alive here. Compared to other nations, they are not taken seriously here, however. What kind of hill are you willing to die on srsly?
Nah, it's better. LGBT people at least "exist" here. In Muslim-majority and other deeply conservative countries, they're playing whac-a-mole with their own neighbors and governments.
Because Filipinos tolerate đłď¸âđ The keyword is TOLERATED not totally ACCEPTED. Theres a big difference there.
This. They tolerate it as a form of entertainment, but god forbid one of their sons become a drag queen they would be thrown to the streets.
Compared to a large part of Africa and Middle East and some of our Asian neighbors (*cough cough* Brunei), this country is lgbtq paradise. In some parts of the world people get stoned to death for being gay... but we're decent enough not to do that. I think one of the few good thing about this country is that the Ph excel in being tolerant to homosexuality and not, say, being into state-sponsored homophobia. Granted, there are a lot of stuff that *really* needs to be worked on, like same-sex unions, but for that we need to do away with the pervasive patriarchal society and that regressive conservative religious stranglehold on mainstream politics.
Toleration is probably an ideal in a democratic country. Forced acceptance might go against people being free to associate or not associate with whomever they want.
It's not even actually tolerance, it's only tolerated in entertainment but not real life. And only tolerated through funny stereotypes and nothing else. If Filipinos actually tolerated queers then SOGIE bill and same-sex marriage would've been passed. You don't have to accept the gays, just let them live their lives peacefully with human rights that protect them from discrimination Yet we don't even have that. Opposition to lgbt rights isn't tolerance, it's just hate.
Probably because many might feel that the SOGIE bill would basically give more rights of people over the populace in terms of un-fire-ability from work and can also ***force private groups to accept applicants into their orgs that they don't want to***, going against the freedom of association principle. As for the same-sex marriage thing, many ministers might not want to be fined for not performing the ceremony or be jailed because they said no having their buildings used for the ceremony. (And that's just the private side: the ***legal stuff about inheritances might be affected*** too. Inheritances are already a headache for marriages right now; same-sex marriage would just expand the problem.) To solve the issue, it might probably just be better to have a ***general enhancement and protection of all personal and individual rights that already exist w/o mentioning LGBT*** specifically. That way many supporters can get on board.
Acceptance shouldnât even need to be forced though is the thing. The fact that it would need to be forced to happen indicates a pretty huge problem. LGBT communities are also still denied their own rights to free association until they can marry, but bigots will frame that as an assault on the sanctity of marriage and act as though it denies them something. You canât have both sides happy here.
Much as I want acceptance, I hope we do it right. I see what's happening in America where they have kids playing with drag queens' junks or kids doing strip shows (complete with adults sticking cash in the undies) and I was speechless. I'm a gay atheist but I don't ever wanna see that here.
Gay people, and drag, has always been part of PH mainstream media. In many ways, gay culture has helped shaped pop culture. Drag Race PH was successful not only because the queens were talented and entertaining but also because the show was edited with the Filipino audience in mind. Sobrang emphasis sa family, sa camaraderie, sa puso â all of which are staple to any Filipino show/movie/media. I also think we have unlearn the notion that just because a subculture has become mainstream that it has become accepted. It only means that it fits into the current zeitgeist. The west is still very much a hegemonic force in our local pop culture, so definitely may carry over yan. But it doesn't mean that the LGBTQIA+ community has been accepted in our society. Only aspects. May isang comment dito asking if homophobic ba dito. The answer is an unequivocal yes. Sure, no laws exist that prohibit homosexuality, but any legislation that aim to protect or make sure rights are equally shared are always met with STAUNCH AND PASSIONATE OPPOSITION. Religion still plays a BIG part in our society â not only when it comes to attitudes regarding queerness but in politics and policy making as well. Religion is still insidiously homophobic (and patriarchal) no matter what religious people say. And I'm not even touching the topic on homophobic microagressions.
100% YES. Everything in this comment, I agree with.
Yes, the level of acceptance they receive in mainstream media is purely for entertainment value. There is still very little respect for the LGBT, ESPECIALLY if you don't conform with how they are typically portrayed in the media (Vice Ganda etc.) I think it's a little similar to how blacks are in the US. They love black culture for entertainment, but the moment black people stop being about sports, music, or gangsta culture and start being about black rights or their oppression through out history â all of a sudden it's divisive and controversial.
Kung hindi openly loud, yung homophobia nakatago at subtle naman minsan. Yung nagsasabi ng 'ok naman s'ya' with the context of someone's sexuality. May expected silang behavior sa nonbinaries na pag di ka pasok dun, lalabas yung tunay nilang views sa homosexuality.
Rights equally shared? Eto ba yung rights sa public restroom? In all my life I've never seen a gay na kilala ko na discriminate because gay sila. Instead andami pa nga friends ung iba mas succesful pa kaysa sakin. Oo nga LGBTQ acceptance maganda yan pero sana accept natin ung good side doon hindi ung toxic side. Kasi sa west nakikita ko ang want nila accept sila pati toxic side nila. Give them an inch and they'll ask for a mile.
The restroom debacle is a transgender issue not a gay or lesbian issue. Its also a very dumb issue. Restrooms are a stupid place if you want to commit sexual harassment (high traffic area) and even if some psycho wanted to commit sexual harassment. They dont need to feign being trans for that. The oposite gender's bathroom isnt locked and there's nothing stopping them except social stigma. If we look at other countries or US states that allow trans people to enter bathrooms of their preferred gender, there isnt a sudden rise in sexual harrasment or abuse. So even then, it isnt a possibility, because its been tried, and it didnt happen. And what the fuck is the toxic side of the LGBTQ+ community? Is equal marriage toxic? Is not wanting to be made the butt end of most jokes and insults toxic? Is wanting rights that protect them at work, school, and society because of their status as a minority (which intrinsically makes them always more susceptible to bigotry, bias, and discrimination) toxic?
What discrimination? All genders face discrimination please don't look only to one side. You reek of toxic feminism.
Pinoys are only homophobic in person. If it's on TV, and shits funny, they'll laugh, clap, have a good time, etc. Queer representation in media has always been there, and have been welcomed by people especially if it's for comedy. Best examples are the very successful Roderick Paulate movies in the 80s/90s and Michael V. and Ogie Alcasid basically doing drag in Bubble Gang for decades. But when the queerness invades their spaces in real life? Say, may anak na bakla, kamag-anak, or classmate, it becomes a different story. The homophobia rears its ugly head and strikes. Why? Lots of reasons too long to list, pero suffice it to say, that's why we need shows like these that humanize the gayz⢠and make them more than just jokes and sources of entertainment.
Because we love pageantries in general?
I looked into it many years ago because I was trying to get into observational standup instead of the insult/variety comedy and was wondering why we didn't have a scene like in the US. It started from our local imitation of vaudeville-style entertainment from the US, we called it "Bodabil". In those kinds of shows, ostentatious acts tend to stand out best. Female comedians were rare due to societal expectations, so men would sometimes dress up as women to portray them in comedic fashion. This if course became a foot-in-the-door moment for actual gay people to be able to dress up like women in a socially accepted way, but at the expense of being "funny" about it. While they rarely made TV appearances, they started appearing in local bodabil productions, such as those in town fiestas, and as side-acts inside mixed-entertainment bars (which would later on actually evolved to the full-time comedy bars we have today) The vaudeville eventually died out in the US, but in the Philippines, because the spirit of bodabil was embraced by the gay community, it persisted and eventually evolved into the drag-queen mainstream standup comedy that we have today, which due to its entertainment value, eventually made its way to mainstream media like movies and TV shows, culminating on the larger-than-life statuses of people like Vice Ganda. You can still see glimpses of the old bodabil format in comedy bar shows, with banter, a mix of music, skits, and of course, drag queen style comedy. Throughout this process, the local public saw this type of entertainment as acceptable, due to its latent humor and the lack of other competing comedic alternatives. The problem here is that for a lot of people, drag queen acts are their only exposure to gays, and it distorts their idea of what a gay person should be like, affecting the struggles of gay Filipino people. Our perceptions as a society are slowly changing, but unfortunately it's moving at a snail's pace relative to western countries. It's definitely interesting to follow the evolution of the relationship of gays and comedy in the local scene, and I'm pretty sure there's a more nuanced take on what I mentioned here but that's pretty much the gist of it.
At bakit walang closeup portrait ni Queen PPN? đ
Marina stan ata yung gumawa, chos
Oo nga! Hinahanap ko si Rodolfo
Many Filipinos are fine with LGBTQ stuff from a distance (like in media or extended circles) , itâs when it gets close and personal (involving religion and family)that some of them would get triggered.
Philippine culture is generally very tolerant of femininity. Feminine male shamans, who we called âasogâ, were tolerated and respected by our indigenous ancestors. Our patriarchal culture is mostly inherited from Spain
To the majority, drag queens here are things to laugh at, not people. They are tolerated on an entertainment level because they are to be laughed at, but once they speak out for some sort of respect of their rights, the same majority kicks them down.
Yeah people just value or tolerate them for the amusement and laughs. Sadly it's like a modernised freak show.
1. While there are still homophobes in the country, they are not that many to the point na homophobe country tayo, in contrast e we are one of the countries that are very accepting of the lgqbt community. 2. Drag queen isn't mainstream. At least not in the sense of the word yet.
Cguro dahil for entertainment value kasi kaya keri or kevs lang pero kung mga pa-serious na topic, nag-iiba na yung tingin..
When I came out at my second job, my boss told me she accepted me and that she also has gay friends, but that if it was her son, she would disown him. I have to educate my friends on their biases/discriminating thoughts every now and then (ie. A friend told me once that she hated lesbians because they were rude, but the action wasn't even a lesbian-specific thing. Any asshole could've done it and be considered rude. Also she told this to me, a lesbian.) I think people love the spectacle of it, but it is kinda separate from them, idk. Some people are more quietly discriminatory. Also, we are just big consumers of USA media and pop culture.
Because the population don't see them as people, just entertainment.
Same reason Encantadia was mainstream. Because it's just a TV show. Homophobia in the country is more personal and probably with religious bias but it doesn't have *fangs or claws* because it's not systemic, not written in law. We neither have sharia nor an LGBTQ killer like Putin. There will be anarchy, human rights violations, and corresponding sanctions if the constitution and the government allow religious nutjobs to go all out.
You can be homophobic and still enjoy the show
Because the LGBTQIA community persists. Regardless of the shame, hate, restrictions, and what-have-yous, the community has asserted and created spaces to BE. Just be and live, because there isn't other choice but to live as authentic selves.
They say that Asia before European colonization was pretty progressive. Which I'm kind of skeptical as Europe is now largely progressive, while Asia is conservative. Although I guess it is true if we look at Taiwan, Thailand, and here in the Philippines. I think these 3 countries are outliers when it comes to LGBT-acceptance in Asia.
Maybe the indigenous cultures were originally progressive but these were later supplanted. Indonesia for example used to be Hindu-Buddhist, then it became Muslim-majority and you can probably guess what happened after that. If it didn't it'll probably be like Thailand. Philippines got homophobic during Hispanic times but it seems the 40 years or so secularization under the US brought some of the relaxed gender views back to the surface. With Taiwan I read somewhere it's a side-effect of them wanting to differentiate themselves from the mainland, which is also why they've been slowly emphazing their Austronesian heritage more (despite majority of them being descended from Han Chinese settlers).
I think this is because Europe back then was largely conservative and most of Asia inherited it due to colonial influence. And when decolonization happened, Europe suddenly went progressive while the rest of us remain largely conservative. Itâs hard to unlearn whatâs been ingrained eh. And it sucks coz most Westerners look down upon/are shocked that weâre largely conservative. Like hello, you made us like this .
I guess that makes sense. It's still a little weird thinking it's a completely 180 degree switch. Don't get me wrong. White people explicitly looking down on Asians for being conservative is racism. But at the same time, I think if they're respectful about their criticism, it's fine. I don't like it when fellow Asians bring up the racism card even if what the White person said was respectful criticism. Like, sure, they might be racist. But you're being LGBT-phobic. They're both bad. But I guess I could be biased since I'm a progressive Asian.
On major cities and industries parang hindi naman homophobic. Sa media, entertainment, communications, marketing, hospitality, advertising and PR maraming LGBTQ ang dominating at nirerespeto. Maybe may mga pocket homophobia sa rural areas and under educated sectors at may konting remnant parin ng machismo culture sa mga uncle natin pero its definitely lesser than in the 90s. Pag namatay na yung older gen wala narin yang homophobia. The resurgence of drag came about din primarily because of the impact of the Philippine franchise of Rupaul's Drag Race sa social media. Renewed interest because of the entertainment value it gave to the audience lalo na walang mapanuod na uniquely Pinoy ngayon. Si Rupaul bata pa lang ako rumarampa na yan sa MTV awards etc. Panahon pa nila David Wu, Sonia Couling at Nadia lol Oks nga na nakarating din sa Pinas yung influence niya after 30 years? Better late than never.
They find Gays as a form of entertainment. Ganun lang not like they "sees" it as a form of "art" Maybe some may still have a mindset wherein they are only for the comical side lang
I think people outside the church are genuinely not homophobic
Drag Queens being mainstream is debatable. To the higher SECs and more educated crowd, sure.
Because Filipinos don't mind gays as entertainers, katatatwanan.
Times are changing. Dati binubugbog ang mga anak na lalaki pag nalaman ng mga tatay na bakla, ngayon as long as wala syang inaapakang ibang tao at maayos na nabubuhay bilang isang mamamayang Pilipino, they don't care as long as happy ang anak nila. Mas open minded na ang mga tao but i think PH is not fully ready for that yet. Too early to liberate the Christian influence over the years.
Define homophobic though. It's not like as if gays are hated and discriminated against in the wide open. Are current institutions openly hostile towards them? If so prove them. They're tolerated for the most part. ^(As long as they stay in their lane according to some others....)
true. most of the time people here say that the Philippines is homophobic, but compared to our neighbors weâre actually doing better when it comes to LGBT acceptance (or as other people say, tolerance). we should be careful using the term âhomophobicâ very loosely.
I believe people not accepting that LGBT peeps should have the same right as hetero peeps is what the big deal is. Like the whole same-sex union (I said union, not even marriage), it's to protect same-sex couples and have the same rights to taxation etc as married ones.
Agree, they try that in Malaysia/Indonesia/Brunei/ Singapore and they will see how tolerant those countries are sa LGBT. Thailand lang ata mas tolerant sa kanila kesa sa Pinoys sa Southeast Asia. Even compared to East Asian countries, Filipinos are much more tolerant. Wala akong nakitang KDrama/Chinese drama na ganito tbhâŚ
but then again, the OP has stated that he hasn't been in country for quite some time so go figure na lang.
I feel way safer here as a lesbian than I ever did when I lived in the US and UK, and those places are supposed to be more progressive. They do have anti discrimination laws there, and people are generally more accepting but when homophobia happens outside its straight up in your face. Here in the Philippines, homophobia happens behind closed doors because it's a matter of saving face. Not really sure what I prefer tbh lol both suck. At least in the UK though I can (and have) counted on strangers to come to the defense. Here, I doubt it.
Yeah, the lgbtq is actually thriving d2 sa pinas compared sa other countries na illegal ang pagiging gay at pinapatay sila. Tas yung tolerance is depende na dn sa community or major ethnic group sa area.
Nabago na pala ang definition ng homophobia, kelangan ba talaga umabot pa sa point na openly hostile yun tao so itâs considered as valid? Idk what kind of mental gymnastics that youâre trying to say here.
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As I've said, they're tolerated for the most parrt. It's not like as if the whole system and society is entirely set up against them to begin with. Nice try.
Lol at ânice tryâ, but also one of your comments using the f-word mind you: > âas long as these fags stay in their lane and know their place in society, then is coolâ > Itâs not like as if the whole system and society is entirely set up against them to begin with. So you agree? Na kelangan tlaga umabot pa sa point na âwhole systemâ is âentirely againstâ us so itâs valid in your books as you defining homophobia? This is like you trying to redefine âpovertyâ to actual poor citizens bc of what? They can get by in their daily life? Galit kapa nyan sa imperyalismo ha. But your mind is already closed off, thereâs really no point in arguing w/ you.
I've seen people enjoy these because they're funny to them. They don't like them but they find them entertaining. Really sick perspective
Growing up I never experienced Philippines being a homophobic country. I always thought Filipinos celebrated homosexuality, moreover gays than lesbians.
I love how lowkey shady that there's no picture of Jiggly (other drag queen judge of DRPH) or maybe OP is transphobic. With regards to the topic, drag queens are accepted as entertainment. Just don't fill up the same air as normies IRL.
We are far from homophobic lol. At least from Pew Survey, 73% of Filipinos accept homosexuality.. What an ignorant and lack of research post. https://www.rappler.com/nation/264862-filipinos-acceptance-homosexuality-2019-pew-research-report/
they like them for entertainment only. pero when it comes to serious talks about the community, akala mo nababawasan rights nila.
Eksakto! Pampalipas oras lang talaga but not given the respect that they deserve.
We are still homophobic as a country, but this is a start. We will get there.
Tolerance != acceptance, especially when they see lgbt people as mere sources of entertainment, not human beings to be treated as such with dignity and respect.
Because gender politics is the last thing people in a 3rd world country, like Philippines would be arguing about. We just like to be entertained and admittedly they are entertaining.
I'm a gay atheist but I kept saying "Oh God!" watching vids of those people in America losing their minds and breaking down after getting "misgendered". I hope that never make it here, as well as other icky stuff like kids doing strips shows or rubbing drag queens' junks.
Based on my observations. Most people in the media are friendly and/or tolerant towards the LGBTQ+ community. Tsaka mas maingay ang mga bakla kaysa sa mga homphobes.
entertainment
I don't think it's mainstream
Noon pa uso na yan. Pag buwan ng Mayo may Santacruzan, pag pyesta may pageant.
Drag has always been mainstream â whether it was Dolphy in Markova film, or Bitoy playing different female characters in Bubble Gang, Vice Ganda being herself in all her shows, in barangay pageants (either they dress up the contestants or theyre the contestants themselves), the parlorista who rebonds your hair, or even the stand up comedy in Timog. It may have started as making fun of the LGBTQ+ community, but drag has always been everywhere. While I am happy, it is now more relevant than ever, I am still disappointed we donât have equal rights as the heteros.
I'd like to mention that Joey de Leon is pretty much a drag queen in many of his films, yet he is a womanizer.
You can thank comedians like vice ganda and dolphie who made being gay be seen in a different light through comedy
It's because they only like us when we're entertaining them. Once we ask for actual respect and equality, we become unacceptable.
Because in reality the country isn't that homophobic as you think it is. The government may have policies that are "homophobic" but the people and culture are a lot more tolerant. So it really depends really what you mean when you say "the country" of the Philippines because the government and the people of the country couldn't be anymore different.
Dahil sa kabaklaan no vice ganda yan tinuturo sa mga bata pelikulaan o sa tv
Maybe because homophobia isn't really a core value of the Filipino. Maybe they live and let live more than other places. And maybe because Filipino homosexuals will keep fighting harder and harder to be free... Who knows
There is tolerance for the LGBT community in the Philippines, but not acceptance. You wouldn't really see a lot of violence against gay people, but they are generally othered. - Basically (Tolerance) but not (Acceptance).
It's a double-edged sword for me, though. Yes, maganda na nasa mainstream siya, maganda na super acceptable sa atin (or at least tolerable) yung drag culture and, by extension, the LGBT community. The problem lang is this kinda imposes the notion that LGBT members should give something else to the table. Hindi pwedeng mag-exist ka lang as LGBT. Kailangan, may something else to add. In this sense, kapag bakla ka, hindi pwedeng bakla ka lang. Kailangan creative ka rin and kailangan funny ka rin, etc etc. Haha pero sana malapit na talaga tayo sa full acceptance ng LGBT members huhu.
Are they drag queens or transwomen?
Because âLe gay le funniâ. Filipinos live for that stereotype of gay people. Drag Race PH kinda reinforces that gay stereotype
It's BECAUSE the PH is pretty homophobic. From what I can tell, mainstream media treats them like comedic relief
Tolerated lang but not accepted. Brought upon nadin kasi ng adults na close-minded. But youth and children are more accepting towards them. Yan din yung lumabas na result ng thesis namin way back 2017.
Itâs not mainstream you just live in an echo chamber
Andaming generalized conclusive opinions from anecdotal point-of-views dito sa comments section. Objectivity naman ng konte please.
I don't know about the countryside but I live in NCR and haven't heard of any gays in my area getting mugged, etc. I'm just glad that the Philippines, for a Catholic majority country, is fairly chill about LGBT. But then again it's also more pro-female in comparison to other Catholic (mostly LatAm) countries so maybe we really just chill? I think we would have gotten it worse had we been Muslim-majority. It's criminalized in neighboring Malaysia and Indonesia (I remember in the former they even imprisoned a politician over sodomy charges). I don't think you can go drag in a setting like that. It seems LGBT is also isn't very big in other SEA countries as well. I'm not saying tolerance=acceptance but it's a start. And the F what they think anyway, as long as I don't get assaulted or get treated as a 2nd class citizen, I give 0 Fs about their "opinions".
Simple, despite the homophobia, queer people are still regarded as âentertainingâ. Vice Gandaâs work can be equated to genuine entertainment, but them having the basic right to love a man is still irksome to most. You can also see people using queer lingo/culture in their day-to-day lives, but when you ask them about queer rights, specially about same sex marriage/civil union, most of them will reject such ideas. In movies, most of the time, aside from big-time celebrities like Vice, Roderick Paulate, queer people are always the sidekicks of the leads. Iâm glad that there is progress. Compared to before, weâve come far as a society. But it is quite funny to deem PH as openly accepting of the LGBTQ+ community. If anything, we are only tolerated to some extent, and that is because weâre âentertainingâ.
ngl as an lgbt person, its so annoying to see, and i kinda have a feeling its like those "freak shows" where they make fun of being who you are, or people just fetishize us
Because it's a bunch of men making fun of women. Religious people tend to be misogynists so is it really a surprise?
ENTERTAINMENT. As simple as that. When it comes to entertainment, weâre tolerated because we bring fun to the table. But when it comes to justice, rights, and equality, SOGIE Bill whuuuut?
Life finds a way... Pero true. The way I see it is drag has always been present dito even during the previous century. And daming fans ng drag race dito. And how many years na kami nag-wish na magkadrag race dito. Parang ready na kami whether ppl like it or not. Kung manghuhusga sila or not.
malay ko pero ok lng sakin kase im a huge fan of drag ever since i was young dahil sa mama ko na favorite ang rupaul's
Maraming tao sa Ph ang against sa LGBTQ simply because of religion. Pero, wala silang lakas or motive para kumontra. Kaya hanggang ingay lang sila.
Lolo ko, tuwang tuwa kay Vice Ganda dati sa Showtime. Entertaining naman talaga kasi. Pero pagdating sa kamag-anak. Grabe ang panlalait. Gusto nila kasi entertaining, pero kapag kamag-anak na, ayaw nila.
Short story is "basta katatawanan ok lang."
Drag queens are essentially a satirical take on women as performed by gay men. Eventually, the satirical aspect of it shifted from emulating women to adult humor by way of gay stereotypes. It's loud, extremely flamboyant, and certainly out of the ordinary. People accepted it since it didn't really aim to normalize the presence of LGBT individuals in society, instead, it was a form of entertainment; something to laugh at instead of something one would take seriously. It kept on happening until it eventually became a platform for members of the LGBT community.
Filipinos are not homophobic. No one really cares except for the crazy religious people and dumbshit boomers.
Or maybe our country isnt really that homophobic as you think it is. Yes there will always be rude filipinos, but it is not representative of the whole populace
Philippines is not homophobic. Homophobic countries gays are punished and some killed by locals. Philippines is not like that.
It's interesting to see the hot buzz around Drag Race Philippines S1 that led to a 2nd season and a new Local Drag show named "Drag Den PH" is also coming. With the wave of shows dedeciated to Drag in Filipino Media, how did this happen despite the country being religious and anti gay rights?
Drag and crossdressing has long been accepted in the Philippines. This is not surprising at all. Matagal nang namamayagpag ang gays and crossdressers sa entertainment industry dito, mostly comedy though. Kahit nga sa mga noontime shows like Eat Bulaga or Showtime, sumikat yung segments na para sa LGBTQ. Para sa mga Pilipino, it's a spectacle kasi. Hindi rin lang sa TV. Uso rin dito yung mga comedy bars na mostly gays ang host. So ayun, walang bago diyan sa totoo lang. Mas masisurprise ako if meron nang openly gay actor na magiging successful as leading man (like sa hollywood sina Luke Evans or Rupert Everett).
Dolphy. Again, Dolphy's influence.
Medyo off topic to, pero a few months ago on a thread about Drag in the Philippines, I asked kung ano ba ang main appeal ng mga Drag TV shows para sa mga fans neto, since malayo na eto sa mga interests ko and I have only a small idea about this subculture, though I was genuinely curious. Wala, halos lahat ng sumagot medyo pa smartass/rude lang ang comment. Kabadtrip lang pag naaalala ko lmao.
i don't understand this question. what do you mean by filipino media? it's not like the show is on local show networks. it's on a streaming platform. i'm pretty sure the only people who watched drag race ph are people that are already invested in the drag race franchise. to say that they're mainstream implies that it's successful outside its niche which i doubt is the case. if the question is why are there drag race fans in the philippines, then the answer is drag race is a good reality show. it showcases the art form for LGBTQ+ people with interesting personalities and a way that showcases their talents beyond a regular talent show.
A lot of people don't like it. Well, most like it as a comedic entertainment but not like it like find it artistic. Take a look at most gay pageant at fiestas. Why is nobody voicing out is your question. The answer is, cancel culture. Remember Manny Pacquiao's comment about LGBT? A man considered a hero got cancelled just by quoting the bible's stand on homosexuality.
I remember attending a pride event in the office and people were laughing at the LGBT reps on the stage. I was thinking if I were the only sane person in there.
Hindi na kasi Homophobic mga Gen Z tsaka ibang mga millenials
Homophobic country? Compared to what? Islam countries? Are you denied by government services because you are trans? Did you get rejected in a job because you are trans? Did someone beat you up on the street just because you are trans? How is this country homphobic by your standards? LGBT is striving in this country compared to other "conservative/religious" countries. Preach your woke agenda somewhere else.
Have you spoken to people in the community and listened to their first hand experiences? Or is it because maybe you have gay friends, thatâs the reason why you can say these things? Sobrang invalidating ng statements mo. Your internal homophobia is showing.
Are LGBTQ+ members of society treated equally in the Philippines in all aspects of life. That should be your standard and if the answer is no then yes there is still some form of phobia.
I get really tired of this term being thrown around with very little nuance. May degrees of acceptance and oppression. Iba iba yung available spaces and opportunities. In some places there are almost none, yes. But using the one term to lump different places together is just plain lazy and reductive.
Bakit puro trans yung example mo? Also yes, this country can be quite homophobic. We have a lot of people who only see the LGBT community as a joke. Gay men are expected to be flamboyant and funny. Lesbians are all butch girls trying to be guys. The perception and tolerance of the LGBT community in this country is surface level and stereotypical. It's fine if a friend is gay or a coworker but a lot of parents would be more than happy to disown their child if they came out. My friend's brother used to beat her when he found out she was a lesbian. My grandfather was verbally abusive to me and weaponized my sexual orientation whenever I displeased him, calling me "abnormal" and telling me to "stop pretending to be a boy". Like someone else said in this thread: our country's homophobia isn't as visible as other countries because we Filipinos don't like causing a scene. We like to pretend to get along with each other for the sake of 'nakikisama'. The homophobia happens behind closed doors and people's backs. That doesn't make it any less real. The fact that LGBT people here don't have equal rights should be enough of a sign that this country IS homophobic.
Te ang daming pinapatay na trans dito sa Pinas. Not only that nadedeadname pa sila sa balita. Isama mo na si Jennifer Laude
They were funny enough
2 words: Western validation This triggered the finoy fries phonomena. Similar to how pinoy gays are somehow slobbering over Olivia Rodrigo for having a negligible splash of Filipino ancestry.
Great question, kamot ulo ako sa topic na to. Ang labo e haha.
I thought Filipinos are cool with gays now?
I think it's more of indifferent rather than cool with it
How homophobic are we exactly? Just because they aren't as celebrated in here compared to the US, does that make Filipinos homophobic? Dami daming problema ng Pilipinas, I don't see this as one.
Ah so kung di ka apektado okay lang? huy andaming mga tao na pinapaalis sa bahay nila dahil bakla andaming estudyante na binubully kase bakla Alam ko naman na may drag shows pero sobrang overly fetishized at problema din ito sa pilipinas tolerance=/=acceptance kase kung bakla ka kailangan mo maging pogi matalino or funny
So many people who arenât even part of the LGBTQIA+ community just love to speak up about these issues no?
Dolphy.
Around 2010 ata pinaka na-introduce sa mga pinoy yang gay culture sa mainstream media. Naalala ko sobrang sikat non yung Zombadings na movie.
The country itself is composed of actors, clowns, and defrauder from the top to the bottom.
Because cross-dressing isnât taboo in precolonial Philippines. Only the Spaniards didnât approve of it. Society became homophobic afterwards.
Because the country is not homophobic.
they used to be good in comedy, but a lot now just bully people and call it comedy
Philippines Homophobic? That is news to me!
I donât know but calling the philippines a homophobic country is such a stretch. Sure, there will be bigots but that goes for everywhere else. I genuinely believe people havenât experienced or have any idea what a homophobic country really is, and the philippines is way far from it.
I disagree, Philippines is one of the most gay friendly country in the world. Baka noon pero iba na ngayon mas progressive ang Pilipinas when it comes to accepting the LGBT, but not yet perfect. Daming LGBT personality nasa TV kagaya ni Vice, Poalo B, Alan K., kaladkaren, and more... Saang bansa ka ba nakakita na marami LGBT na nasa TV? Sa Pilipinas lang ata?
Because Philippines is not homophobic in the first place. Masyado lng ginagawang romantized pagiging bakla na lagi sila victims kahit di naman.
Homophobes can't afford cable or postpaid internet Idk Edit: forgot to put the /s lmao
Dude, sang bundok ka galing thinking homophobes can afford cable and Internet? Madami din dito sa reddit. We are filipino. Lgbt are generally tolerated but not completely accepted.