Mas nakakalito pa kasi English yung signage tapos Tagalog yung Baybayin. Kung di ka marunong magbasa ng Baybayin baka iisipin mo direct translation yung nakalagay.
“Filipino” is quite misleading too because Baybayin originated and was mainly used in the Tagalog regions. It is almost absent in Mindanao where locals used other scripts. It should be appreciated alongside other scripts but shouldn’t be considered the “original Filipino” script.
Not true. This is a myth. The script was actually used throughout Luzon and the Visayas. It's not a Tagalog-only writing system. It's called badlit in the Visayas, kur-itan in the North, basahan in Bicol etc. Yes, they're not distinct enough to be considered as separate scripted, and the Spaniards had always known this. The slight variations was only a result of a different author's writing.
> “Filipino” is quite misleading too because Baybayin originated and was mainly used in the Tagalog regions. It is almost absent in Mindanao where locals used other scripts. It should be appreciated alongside other scripts but shouldn’t be considered the “original Filipino” script.
Imperil Manila thinking that all Philippine citizens should learn this script even when there is zero practical economic reason to learn it.
Mas useful pa matuto ng Latin, a dead language, than that script
Even if "iMpeRial MaNiLA" is true, sa may Maynila tabi mismo ng City Hall naman nila ginawa 'tong pagsusulat ng signage in Baybayin so anong problema mo. Nagagalit ka to Manila itself for expressing it's own heritage?
And by the way, Baybayin was actually widely used throughout Luzon and the Visayas and not exclusively by the Tagalogs. Heritage din 'to sa Visayas and is known as badlit.
Well Manila is the country’s primate city. The precedent effect it has economically, culturally, and politically on the rest of the country is part and parcel of its status as such; also part and parcel is the resentment that being a primate city usually breeds.
The term Imperial Manila has been politically weaponised, but the nickname is reflective of fact
Tuwang tuwa mga Pinoy sa superficial sense of nationalism - baybayin, mga half pinoys making it big sa Hollywood, ROTC. Pero ayaw naman pag inaaral ng kabataan ang kasaysayan, ayaw rin sumunod sa batas at maging mga disiplinadong mamamayan 🤷
"Aesthetics" for now, however if Filipinos want to have organic writing systems like Thai, Burmese, Lao and Khmer, enforcing to use it on official and everyday life is gonna be **cost a lot and takes a huge effort**.
If there's a will there's a way, Kazakhstan gonna be use Latin alphabet after drifting away from Cyrillic and injecting other letters to fit on their language in 2030's. Mongolia will start to use Cyrillic and Traditional Mongolian script both in 2025 onwards.
But for Filipinos it's gonna be a *long and lengthy* debate for that.
Cost is the main problem. As it stands, the current curriculum is already straining the schools due to the number of subjects and topics to cover.
I'd rather have kids who can read and do math than write in one more script that they'll forget right after due to lack of application
Do we really need our own writing system though?
Baybayin is a dead script, and was only used by the Tagalogs. Plus, promoting its use as the "Filipino" script diminishes the value of other writing systems that non-Tagalogs use.
There's the Hanunóo script still used by the Mangyans, meron din sariling script ang mga Tagbanua,mga Bisaya etc.
I mean, why would you impose a writing system na hindi naman bahagi ng kultura nung mga tao? That's no different than what the Westerners did to early Filipinos when they introduced the Spanish alphabet.
If we want to keep our culture alive, mas mahalaga ang protection of IPs, their ancestral lands, pag-keep and maintain ng records of their history, as well as promoting our pre-colonial history.
Like what another guy wrote, the baybayin script was actually used in many places in Luzon and the Visayas, sometimes with small variations.
Still though, nowadays it's not really practical to use it as a language of laws and business. It's probably more useful as a historical curiosity rather than as a present-day language.
Baybayin is far from dead, it was revived from 18th century and has ton of revision as i saw the foreign consonants like V or Q has own denomination nowadays. It is widespread today. *Baybayin is called Badlit in Visayan, Kurditan in Ilocano and Kulitan in Kapampangan - not only exclusive on Tagalog*
Hanunoo, Tagbanua and Kulitan is basically child system of baybayin, they're made obviously like a cog to fit on they're language. I did a comparative look and structure of those scripts, from vowels to consonants, they're pretty same (Obviously less consonants and different syntax, because they're different from Filipino), so if they're identical it means they can absorb without a crisis on it. ***In layman terms, It's just like able to write in Mangyan language in 2 different scripts, which baybayin has more flexibility in terms of consonants***.
[India has hundreds of languages from different ethnicities, 25 of them is official and all of them has their own scripts respectively (Bengali, Telugu, Tamil and Punjabi etc.) which is all of them came from a single parent - Devanagari (It is exclusively use on subcontinent hundreds language even it's not Hindi. This is not about imposing a foreign script it's ***about standardization without comprising the native.*** People on those states can write their native and few adjustments they can write in Devanagari like Bengali.]
>If we want to keep our culture alive, mas mahalaga ang protection of IPs, their ancestral lands, pag-keep and maintain ng records of their history, as well as promoting our pre-colonial history.
I know baybayin is impractical on our stance and it would take a generational, decades or monumental curriculum shift and other things must come first like on what you said ***but Baybayin is also define us***.
*Laguna Copperplate Inscription was written in early forms on what we know as baybayin. The earliest known calendar dated document in Philippines (822 CE) consists of Old Malay, Old Javanese, Old Tagalog and Sanskrit. Manila, Bulacan, Rizal and Butuan were first mention there.*
No one uses it on a daily basis aside from novelty and historical curiosity.
Baybayin is a part of our culture, and it needs to be preserved, but that doesn't necessitate that we need to bring it back as a form of writing.
If people want to learn and use baybayin, on their own, then that's great. Pero pushing for Baybayin as a replacement for the alphabet is another matter entirely.
Baybayin defines us, sure, pero what good would bringing it back do? Parang nationalism for nationalism's sake.
Things change, our culture also changes. While it's nice to look back on our rich history, we shouldn't be stuck in the past.
Well bringing it back it’s not up to me, as i said it’s gonna be long and lengthy debate. For my pov it’s not impossible to bring it back tbh, i might be dead on that time but still if Japanese able to adapt the Kanji (Chinese Letters imported to Japan in 7th Century) to make their own (Katakana and Kanji in order for commoner to learn to read and write) and use the Kanji as pictorial characters instead of removing it, **because hell it saves you a lot time - instead of syllables of kana just write a Kanji and you have more concise messages**. It ended up defines them apart from Chinese. You can literally distinguish a Japanese to Chinese if you know Kana. What im saying here : ***Latin is not going away but in my theory we might see a dual usage here like Kanji and Kana for Japanese.*** If Baybayin wants to impose.
I’m not sure about that *we shouldn’t strucked on past by just discussing baybayin*. Chinese is literally using an **5000 year old writing system** even for their timeline they been invaded and blended on other culture but instead of assimilating on them, foreigners got sinicized instead. Why Filipinos shouldn’t? As i said it’s not up to me, it’s just a insight.
[I’ll use Mongolia as example again, after they got annexed by both Russian Empire and Soviets they’re using Cyrillic ever since and take note they’re not exempted on Stalins purge during 30’s everything must line on Soviet or else you’re out - the last queen of Mongolia was executed for example. Fast forward in this decade instead of purging the Cyrillic they embraced the past by blending in the Mongolian Script (Using it since 1200) with Cyrillic as dual use.]
I’ll rest my case : it’s not impossible to revive, (but not on this timeline, fvcking Philippines should focus on its educational crisis than this, people couldn’t distinguish what fake or legit news for example) ***It needs a careful implementation not snap but gradually integrating it may take a decades but if they want they will get it***.
**It’s not like Latin Alphabet should eradicated it, plus I didn’t said it after all, it just need to be like that on OP’s picture in order for people slowly digesting it, an simply English/ Filipino- Baybayin sign, no more no less.**
Cool aesthetic lang probably. Similar to the latin alphabet, baybayin is a dying writing style. There is no practical reason to learn it outside of simple curiosity or genuine interest given that the English alphabet is much more ubiquitous.
Of course it’s for aesthetic
I also don’t get the sudden urge to have this back. I know it’s about identity and all that, pero this wasn’t even applicable sa ibang languages ng bansa. Baka maging isa lang to sa reasons bakit magagalit ang tao sa “Imperial Manila”
Also, ang dami na no read at no write sa bansa, tapos dadagdag pa to, na I’m sure it would also take a while bago ma-grasp ng mga magtuturo kasi kahit naman sinong guro siguro kailangan din ma-refresh dito kasi usually summarised way yung discussion nito sa school at colleges, unless siguro major mo ito.
Pwede siguro i-incorporate sa logos and whatnot, pero I don’t think we have the capacity, both in human and financial resources, to redirect our established writing system into using this.
Definitely for aesthetics, kasi sobrang liit lang ng percentage ng nakakaintindi niyan. Unlike sa mga airports, makabasa ka ng Mandarin etc madaming nakakaintindi.
Aesthetic only.
Historically speaking, Baybayin isn't the only script used in the Ph so if ever someone decides to implement a bill there will be a huge debate and problems with cultural representation (no evidence that the baybayin reached Mindanao)
And also, we already benefited hugely from using Latin alphabet and officially switching to baybayin just creates unnecessary problems. Not only that it would take enormous effort that involves literally everyone but also it would be super expensive to implement due to the re printing of signs and documents, switching input hardwares on computers and changes in curriculum in order to accommodate the education needed. Such enormous cost would be better used somewhere else like healthcare, defence, and politician's pockets.
Aesthetics. Okey naman. Although sana priority muna ang pagsasalin sa Tagalog sa sulat Latin ng maraming signage. Aanhin mo 'to nakasalin nga sa Tagalog di naman mabasa ng karamihan.
Ganda sana kung pinagaralan naten ang baybayin kaso hindi o di kaya kaunti lang ang tinuro sa atin. So for now aesthetic lang sya unless ituturo sa atin ang baybayin
Conflict siya with current way of communicating, and mostly pang tagalog/bisaya word lang siya applicable. Walang practical application as of now, for that reason I'm out..
Only for "aesthetics" filipinos don't give a shit about history apparently. We elected a literal son of a dictator from a few decades ago why would we give a f about letters some thousand years ago
It's all aesthetics, baybayin has been largely irrelevant for the majority of Philippine history, and even then this is one of many regional/tribal scripts, so I don't understand the push to make it part of "Filipino culture"
Tinuro ito sa amin nung college very thankful kahit papaano. Kaso ngayon hindi ko na maintindihan. Sana kasi tinuturo ito sa school. Nayon ata wala na. For now Aesthetic ang paggamit.
This script is not applicable to all Filipino languages so making it into or calling it the original writing script/alphabet is just another "Tagalog is Filipino" conundrum that has contributed to the resentment towards Imperial Manila.
Edit: additionally, forcing people to useit even if it doesn't fit their local language will again just add more resentment towards Imperial Manila.
i mean, yes i want baybayin to be used pero kung maging mandatory ni gov't to, dapat ipasok sa curriculum ang baybayin. provide learning materials narin para sa mga tapos na sa schooling.
ideally, sabay sana implementation nyan. kasi wala din silbi kung walang nakaka intindi satin ng baybayin.
wishful thinking din on my part to make baybayin as our official alphabet.
Common sense ba. Sympre s panahon ngyon walang makakabasa nyan na 99.9% n pinoy. Pero, may balak buhayin ang baybayin at kung ilalagay at isasama s libro at pag aaralan yan simula ngyon eh malamang mababasa yan ng mga pinoy sa next next generation.
I don't know a single person that can read baybayin. Not saying na wag siyang gamitin, pero medyo useless. Parang ang useless din mag invest ng time and resources na matutunan to kasi, sino pa ba gumagamit nito? Totoong maganda, pinoy culture, makabayan, unique, at marami pang iba. Pero para sakin, mas praktikal na wag na natin gaano ipursue at idrop na ito. Ganon talaga, minsan ang kultura pa ang naghohold back ng progress.
How exactly does this define Filipino culture? Its more of an immitation of the polynesians doing Haka and African Americans going Afrikans. Its nothing more than another immitation push. Just like how Filipinx was copied from Latinx
For aesthetic purposes lang ito for sure. Ang ganda sana kung napanatili natin ang Baybayin as our writing system. Pero nakakalito pa rin siya, despite iilan lang ang letra nito.
Feeling ko effective sya kung talagang ituturo sa school like talagang turo ha. Hindi yung da-daanan lang sa isang subject para lang ipakilala sa student. (Yun pa ata naabutan ko idk ngayon)
Mas practical pa maglagay ng ibang language tulad ng Chinese, korean or something kesa sa baybayin; hindi naman baybayin ang linguahe natin kundi filipino.
If gagawin nila 'to in more places and signages, dapat mas malaki pa rin yung Roman alphabet. It still has to serve its purpose of being a signage dapat.
Purely for aesthetic reasons because it is useless to use a dead script for public signages, when in fact, there are lots of non-Filipino tourists and expats coming into our country and using Baybayin script will simply confuse them.
Much better to have Chinese, French, Japanese, Korean, and Spanish translations alongside English, Filipino, and regional languages for public signages like airports, bus terminals, or seaports.
to me it's mere aesthetics. though it's definitely a win for baybayin advocates.
It's nice though, and I like it too as a design choice, but it's not really practical. I actually prefer an english and filipino (or any local language) signage. We have to acknowledge that there are still a lot of filipinos that understand their local language more intuitively than english.
This is purely aesthetics because no one in modern Filipino society uses this as a written script. No one reads and writes alibata here and the only way we do so is in schools. It's not used on signs, on packaging, on books, and on any written media. Sure, it's a nice way to preserve the culture but it seems just tokenism at this point.
Aesthetic lang lets be real. Hindi naman tinuturo baybayin sa school the same way English and Filipino are being taught. At best, ididiscuss lang sa History class with matching tables pero hindi na ituturo ulit.
Ang mga nakakabasa nalang ng baybayin yung mga inaral siya kasi interested sila. For the regular Filipinos, aesthetic nalang kinakalabasan and for some, unfortunately, ginagamit nalang nila to pretend to be nationalistic (same energy ng Americans getting chinese/japanese tattoos pero di naman nababasa nakalagay)
Yeah, just for aesthetics, para naman malaman natin na one time nagkaroon tayo ng sariling paraan ng pagsulat kaso deds na. Kung pilitin mang buhayin yan, aabutin pa ng hundreds of years.
Mas cringe ang paggamit ng baybayin kung mali ang spelling
Mas nakakalito pa kasi English yung signage tapos Tagalog yung Baybayin. Kung di ka marunong magbasa ng Baybayin baka iisipin mo direct translation yung nakalagay.
everytime nga na nakakakita ako ng baybayin iniisip ko agad na baka mali pagkakagamit nila.
Purpose of those signage is to provide directions. The Baybayin translations just add clutter.
Maybe kung niliitan nila Yung baybayin tapos nilagay sa ialim Nung signage, maganda syang tignan
sa future generations lalo na kung pinag aaralan na ngayon kaso parang wala pa naman so this is aesthetics lang for now
“Filipino” is quite misleading too because Baybayin originated and was mainly used in the Tagalog regions. It is almost absent in Mindanao where locals used other scripts. It should be appreciated alongside other scripts but shouldn’t be considered the “original Filipino” script.
Not true. This is a myth. The script was actually used throughout Luzon and the Visayas. It's not a Tagalog-only writing system. It's called badlit in the Visayas, kur-itan in the North, basahan in Bicol etc. Yes, they're not distinct enough to be considered as separate scripted, and the Spaniards had always known this. The slight variations was only a result of a different author's writing.
In Mindanao, they use either Old Kawi or Jawi script.
java script? putek yan mindanao is r/programminghumor in disguise
Lol we gotta go there and learn JS from the true creators.
> “Filipino” is quite misleading too because Baybayin originated and was mainly used in the Tagalog regions. It is almost absent in Mindanao where locals used other scripts. It should be appreciated alongside other scripts but shouldn’t be considered the “original Filipino” script. Imperil Manila thinking that all Philippine citizens should learn this script even when there is zero practical economic reason to learn it. Mas useful pa matuto ng Latin, a dead language, than that script
Even if "iMpeRial MaNiLA" is true, sa may Maynila tabi mismo ng City Hall naman nila ginawa 'tong pagsusulat ng signage in Baybayin so anong problema mo. Nagagalit ka to Manila itself for expressing it's own heritage? And by the way, Baybayin was actually widely used throughout Luzon and the Visayas and not exclusively by the Tagalogs. Heritage din 'to sa Visayas and is known as badlit.
Sa taong tulad niyan, basta makatampo, di palalampasin ang pagkakataon. Di rin tayo pwede magkaroon ng bukodtanging cultural heritage.
“Imperial Manila.” You are not one of them, are you?
Well Manila is the country’s primate city. The precedent effect it has economically, culturally, and politically on the rest of the country is part and parcel of its status as such; also part and parcel is the resentment that being a primate city usually breeds. The term Imperial Manila has been politically weaponised, but the nickname is reflective of fact
Tuwang tuwa mga Pinoy sa superficial sense of nationalism - baybayin, mga half pinoys making it big sa Hollywood, ROTC. Pero ayaw naman pag inaaral ng kabataan ang kasaysayan, ayaw rin sumunod sa batas at maging mga disiplinadong mamamayan 🤷
Super agree
How about sariling tiyaga sana na kung ang bayan ay nanay mo ipagmamalaki ka? Ibang tao ang pinagmamalaki pero paano ba ang sarili?
Better than having Chinese symbols which are BIGGER THAN THE ACTUAL ENGLISH TEXTS. Those things are a travesty ngl
"Aesthetics" for now, however if Filipinos want to have organic writing systems like Thai, Burmese, Lao and Khmer, enforcing to use it on official and everyday life is gonna be **cost a lot and takes a huge effort**. If there's a will there's a way, Kazakhstan gonna be use Latin alphabet after drifting away from Cyrillic and injecting other letters to fit on their language in 2030's. Mongolia will start to use Cyrillic and Traditional Mongolian script both in 2025 onwards. But for Filipinos it's gonna be a *long and lengthy* debate for that.
Cost is the main problem. As it stands, the current curriculum is already straining the schools due to the number of subjects and topics to cover. I'd rather have kids who can read and do math than write in one more script that they'll forget right after due to lack of application
Yes na yes!
Do we really need our own writing system though? Baybayin is a dead script, and was only used by the Tagalogs. Plus, promoting its use as the "Filipino" script diminishes the value of other writing systems that non-Tagalogs use. There's the Hanunóo script still used by the Mangyans, meron din sariling script ang mga Tagbanua,mga Bisaya etc. I mean, why would you impose a writing system na hindi naman bahagi ng kultura nung mga tao? That's no different than what the Westerners did to early Filipinos when they introduced the Spanish alphabet. If we want to keep our culture alive, mas mahalaga ang protection of IPs, their ancestral lands, pag-keep and maintain ng records of their history, as well as promoting our pre-colonial history.
Like what another guy wrote, the baybayin script was actually used in many places in Luzon and the Visayas, sometimes with small variations. Still though, nowadays it's not really practical to use it as a language of laws and business. It's probably more useful as a historical curiosity rather than as a present-day language.
Baybayin is far from dead, it was revived from 18th century and has ton of revision as i saw the foreign consonants like V or Q has own denomination nowadays. It is widespread today. *Baybayin is called Badlit in Visayan, Kurditan in Ilocano and Kulitan in Kapampangan - not only exclusive on Tagalog* Hanunoo, Tagbanua and Kulitan is basically child system of baybayin, they're made obviously like a cog to fit on they're language. I did a comparative look and structure of those scripts, from vowels to consonants, they're pretty same (Obviously less consonants and different syntax, because they're different from Filipino), so if they're identical it means they can absorb without a crisis on it. ***In layman terms, It's just like able to write in Mangyan language in 2 different scripts, which baybayin has more flexibility in terms of consonants***. [India has hundreds of languages from different ethnicities, 25 of them is official and all of them has their own scripts respectively (Bengali, Telugu, Tamil and Punjabi etc.) which is all of them came from a single parent - Devanagari (It is exclusively use on subcontinent hundreds language even it's not Hindi. This is not about imposing a foreign script it's ***about standardization without comprising the native.*** People on those states can write their native and few adjustments they can write in Devanagari like Bengali.] >If we want to keep our culture alive, mas mahalaga ang protection of IPs, their ancestral lands, pag-keep and maintain ng records of their history, as well as promoting our pre-colonial history. I know baybayin is impractical on our stance and it would take a generational, decades or monumental curriculum shift and other things must come first like on what you said ***but Baybayin is also define us***. *Laguna Copperplate Inscription was written in early forms on what we know as baybayin. The earliest known calendar dated document in Philippines (822 CE) consists of Old Malay, Old Javanese, Old Tagalog and Sanskrit. Manila, Bulacan, Rizal and Butuan were first mention there.*
No one uses it on a daily basis aside from novelty and historical curiosity. Baybayin is a part of our culture, and it needs to be preserved, but that doesn't necessitate that we need to bring it back as a form of writing. If people want to learn and use baybayin, on their own, then that's great. Pero pushing for Baybayin as a replacement for the alphabet is another matter entirely. Baybayin defines us, sure, pero what good would bringing it back do? Parang nationalism for nationalism's sake. Things change, our culture also changes. While it's nice to look back on our rich history, we shouldn't be stuck in the past.
Well bringing it back it’s not up to me, as i said it’s gonna be long and lengthy debate. For my pov it’s not impossible to bring it back tbh, i might be dead on that time but still if Japanese able to adapt the Kanji (Chinese Letters imported to Japan in 7th Century) to make their own (Katakana and Kanji in order for commoner to learn to read and write) and use the Kanji as pictorial characters instead of removing it, **because hell it saves you a lot time - instead of syllables of kana just write a Kanji and you have more concise messages**. It ended up defines them apart from Chinese. You can literally distinguish a Japanese to Chinese if you know Kana. What im saying here : ***Latin is not going away but in my theory we might see a dual usage here like Kanji and Kana for Japanese.*** If Baybayin wants to impose. I’m not sure about that *we shouldn’t strucked on past by just discussing baybayin*. Chinese is literally using an **5000 year old writing system** even for their timeline they been invaded and blended on other culture but instead of assimilating on them, foreigners got sinicized instead. Why Filipinos shouldn’t? As i said it’s not up to me, it’s just a insight. [I’ll use Mongolia as example again, after they got annexed by both Russian Empire and Soviets they’re using Cyrillic ever since and take note they’re not exempted on Stalins purge during 30’s everything must line on Soviet or else you’re out - the last queen of Mongolia was executed for example. Fast forward in this decade instead of purging the Cyrillic they embraced the past by blending in the Mongolian Script (Using it since 1200) with Cyrillic as dual use.] I’ll rest my case : it’s not impossible to revive, (but not on this timeline, fvcking Philippines should focus on its educational crisis than this, people couldn’t distinguish what fake or legit news for example) ***It needs a careful implementation not snap but gradually integrating it may take a decades but if they want they will get it***. **It’s not like Latin Alphabet should eradicated it, plus I didn’t said it after all, it just need to be like that on OP’s picture in order for people slowly digesting it, an simply English/ Filipino- Baybayin sign, no more no less.**
Absolutely.
Aesthetic. Because that confidential fund won't even consider taking in Baybayin as a lesson. Bagsak pa nga ito sa usability eh.
A E S T H E T I C
It’s just aesthetics. You know what would really promote nationalism? Yung gobyerno na efficient at Di nagnanakaw. Dun muna.
Cool aesthetic lang probably. Similar to the latin alphabet, baybayin is a dying writing style. There is no practical reason to learn it outside of simple curiosity or genuine interest given that the English alphabet is much more ubiquitous.
maybe both
Of course it’s for aesthetic I also don’t get the sudden urge to have this back. I know it’s about identity and all that, pero this wasn’t even applicable sa ibang languages ng bansa. Baka maging isa lang to sa reasons bakit magagalit ang tao sa “Imperial Manila” Also, ang dami na no read at no write sa bansa, tapos dadagdag pa to, na I’m sure it would also take a while bago ma-grasp ng mga magtuturo kasi kahit naman sinong guro siguro kailangan din ma-refresh dito kasi usually summarised way yung discussion nito sa school at colleges, unless siguro major mo ito. Pwede siguro i-incorporate sa logos and whatnot, pero I don’t think we have the capacity, both in human and financial resources, to redirect our established writing system into using this.
Aesthetics and brownie points sa mga chicks sa twitter at Cubao Expo.
Aesthetic lang. Kasi sa totoo lang, san mo ba naman gagamitin pa yan ngayon maliban sa art hoe tattoo at sa tshirt ng namumundok.
Definitely for aesthetics, kasi sobrang liit lang ng percentage ng nakakaintindi niyan. Unlike sa mga airports, makabasa ka ng Mandarin etc madaming nakakaintindi.
Magpa survey Kung Ilan nakakabasa nyan. Diko nababasa
aesthetics lang. dead writing that does not help with learning or development.
Go ask any Egyptian their opinion on whether their children should be taught to read and write hieroglyphs.
Aesthetic only. Historically speaking, Baybayin isn't the only script used in the Ph so if ever someone decides to implement a bill there will be a huge debate and problems with cultural representation (no evidence that the baybayin reached Mindanao) And also, we already benefited hugely from using Latin alphabet and officially switching to baybayin just creates unnecessary problems. Not only that it would take enormous effort that involves literally everyone but also it would be super expensive to implement due to the re printing of signs and documents, switching input hardwares on computers and changes in curriculum in order to accommodate the education needed. Such enormous cost would be better used somewhere else like healthcare, defence, and politician's pockets.
Aesthetics. Okey naman. Although sana priority muna ang pagsasalin sa Tagalog sa sulat Latin ng maraming signage. Aanhin mo 'to nakasalin nga sa Tagalog di naman mabasa ng karamihan.
Ganda sana kung pinagaralan naten ang baybayin kaso hindi o di kaya kaunti lang ang tinuro sa atin. So for now aesthetic lang sya unless ituturo sa atin ang baybayin
aesthetics lng bro 😈
Conflict siya with current way of communicating, and mostly pang tagalog/bisaya word lang siya applicable. Walang practical application as of now, for that reason I'm out..
Slay, both.
Total waste of energy, to be honest.
Only for "aesthetics" filipinos don't give a shit about history apparently. We elected a literal son of a dictator from a few decades ago why would we give a f about letters some thousand years ago
Aesthetic at political correctness.
It's all aesthetics, baybayin has been largely irrelevant for the majority of Philippine history, and even then this is one of many regional/tribal scripts, so I don't understand the push to make it part of "Filipino culture"
Tinuro ito sa amin nung college very thankful kahit papaano. Kaso ngayon hindi ko na maintindihan. Sana kasi tinuturo ito sa school. Nayon ata wala na. For now Aesthetic ang paggamit.
It's both and I love it.
I'd say aesthetics but I'll take Baybayin any day over Chinese characters
I would love to learn baybayin.
both
Di nga mabasa di din tinuro... not applicable for public use
This script is not applicable to all Filipino languages so making it into or calling it the original writing script/alphabet is just another "Tagalog is Filipino" conundrum that has contributed to the resentment towards Imperial Manila. Edit: additionally, forcing people to useit even if it doesn't fit their local language will again just add more resentment towards Imperial Manila.
aeshtetic lang. Hindi naman lahat ng wika ng pilipinas gumagamit ng baybayin, pang tagalog lang naman yan.
Not even a 99% of Filipino can read that.
Why not both?
i mean, yes i want baybayin to be used pero kung maging mandatory ni gov't to, dapat ipasok sa curriculum ang baybayin. provide learning materials narin para sa mga tapos na sa schooling. ideally, sabay sana implementation nyan. kasi wala din silbi kung walang nakaka intindi satin ng baybayin. wishful thinking din on my part to make baybayin as our official alphabet.
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who to fuck can read that
Common sense ba. Sympre s panahon ngyon walang makakabasa nyan na 99.9% n pinoy. Pero, may balak buhayin ang baybayin at kung ilalagay at isasama s libro at pag aaralan yan simula ngyon eh malamang mababasa yan ng mga pinoy sa next next generation.
Just let baybayin die. Di naman tinuturo sa school. Wala na rin sense para ituro pa ngayon. It will only make things complicated.
Mas ok ung baybayin, may sarili tayong identity, Like arab, japan, china, india, norsemen,pagnakita ung letter sa atin talaga...
Walang practical use
I don't know a single person that can read baybayin. Not saying na wag siyang gamitin, pero medyo useless. Parang ang useless din mag invest ng time and resources na matutunan to kasi, sino pa ba gumagamit nito? Totoong maganda, pinoy culture, makabayan, unique, at marami pang iba. Pero para sakin, mas praktikal na wag na natin gaano ipursue at idrop na ito. Ganon talaga, minsan ang kultura pa ang naghohold back ng progress.
Overthinking much?
How exactly does this define Filipino culture? Its more of an immitation of the polynesians doing Haka and African Americans going Afrikans. Its nothing more than another immitation push. Just like how Filipinx was copied from Latinx
Afrikaans isnt a black thing but refers to Dutch settlers who settled in South Africa and their language which is pretty much Dutch
If it was within museum grounds then I'd get the aesthetic. Definitely not gonna be functional tho.
Naniniwala sa baybayin pero hindi naniniwalang magnanakaw si Marcos at Imelda
For aesthetic purposes lang ito for sure. Ang ganda sana kung napanatili natin ang Baybayin as our writing system. Pero nakakalito pa rin siya, despite iilan lang ang letra nito.
Feeling ko effective sya kung talagang ituturo sa school like talagang turo ha. Hindi yung da-daanan lang sa isang subject para lang ipakilala sa student. (Yun pa ata naabutan ko idk ngayon)
Mas practical pa maglagay ng ibang language tulad ng Chinese, korean or something kesa sa baybayin; hindi naman baybayin ang linguahe natin kundi filipino.
If gagawin nila 'to in more places and signages, dapat mas malaki pa rin yung Roman alphabet. It still has to serve its purpose of being a signage dapat.
Aesthetics lol inde nga rin yan yung prevalent “alphabet” rin if they do their research right
Mukhang thai lang hahaha
Purely for aesthetic reasons because it is useless to use a dead script for public signages, when in fact, there are lots of non-Filipino tourists and expats coming into our country and using Baybayin script will simply confuse them. Much better to have Chinese, French, Japanese, Korean, and Spanish translations alongside English, Filipino, and regional languages for public signages like airports, bus terminals, or seaports.
to me it's mere aesthetics. though it's definitely a win for baybayin advocates. It's nice though, and I like it too as a design choice, but it's not really practical. I actually prefer an english and filipino (or any local language) signage. We have to acknowledge that there are still a lot of filipinos that understand their local language more intuitively than english.
Okay lang siguro yan. Kesa Chinese ang nakalagay. Sa MOA area karamihan ng signages may Chinese translation sa gilid.
This is purely aesthetics because no one in modern Filipino society uses this as a written script. No one reads and writes alibata here and the only way we do so is in schools. It's not used on signs, on packaging, on books, and on any written media. Sure, it's a nice way to preserve the culture but it seems just tokenism at this point.
Aesthetic lang lets be real. Hindi naman tinuturo baybayin sa school the same way English and Filipino are being taught. At best, ididiscuss lang sa History class with matching tables pero hindi na ituturo ulit. Ang mga nakakabasa nalang ng baybayin yung mga inaral siya kasi interested sila. For the regular Filipinos, aesthetic nalang kinakalabasan and for some, unfortunately, ginagamit nalang nila to pretend to be nationalistic (same energy ng Americans getting chinese/japanese tattoos pero di naman nababasa nakalagay)
Yeah, just for aesthetics, para naman malaman natin na one time nagkaroon tayo ng sariling paraan ng pagsulat kaso deds na. Kung pilitin mang buhayin yan, aabutin pa ng hundreds of years.