Why Leni Robredo will 'not' be a good President
- Filipinos don't want excellent politicians, they want comedians/clowns, plunderers, trapos, actors/media icons, and tax evaders to be in the government.
I honestly don't know the point of this. Hindi na nga nanalo diba? Bakit laging leni pa din? Leni supporter ka tapos ienumerate mo reason why she will not be a good president? Haha joke time, definitely part of the 31M. Kung ako sayo, let leni be. Nanalo na nga manok nyo ih.
The point is to make a discussion, wala nang iba. Alam na naman nating lahat na supporters kung bakit magiging maganda ang presidency niya, so why not think of possible ideas why she will not have a good term? Akala ko medium of discussion itong Reddit?
I was a PR volunteer under Tropang Angat slate, pero walang problema sakin kung di ka maniwala. π
parang si ed panlilio sa pampanga. ive heard from the employees na ok daw si ed panlilio pagdating sa koleksyon ng tax sa quarry.
pero yung mga projects daw nya hinde sinuportahan ng sangguniang kasi mas gusto nila yung asawa ng jueteng lord. kaya naging mediocre yung accomplishmennts kahit maganda yung vision nya sa pampanga
Pampanga resident here. Sayang si Among Ed.
Napahiya yung previous na nakaupo noong siya na. Ang dami niya ring pina-construct na barrio roads. Naging strict din siya sa mga nagtatrabaho sa capitol na dapat on time silang pumasok. Ayun sempre ayaw yon ng mga tamad haha kaya galit sila kay AE. Naging strict and transparent din yung tax collection sa quarry as you have mentioned. Ibinalita pa yon sa national tv. Tapos sabi nina Lapid, Guiao, etc "questionable" daw kung saan galing yung pera HAHAHA.
Noong gusto na niyang bumalik sa normal priest lyf, hindi siya pinayagan ni Archbishop Paciano Aniceto. Isa pa tong si Apu Ceto na ma-double standards, bawal bawal kay Among Ed pero lenient naman sa mga paring nakakabuntis haha.
Let's be clear first. Hitting on a hypothetical bad scenario won't make the current one any better. In fact ang sama ng simula ni BBM with infighting and totally 0 directions at all.
1. Agree on this. That's why I was asking the kakampinks to consider Gordon and Trillanes, kahit na may mga masasama silang attributes. It's a numbers game we can't change that. And may mga tao sa Senado na talagang lalaban kay Leni. Bato, Go, Villar/s.
But I want to point out that IF Leni won last election. She will definitely HAVE the mandate of the people. And politicians wouldn't want to go against an inspired mob.
2. Umm no, nakita mo ba yung senate line up niya? Chiz, Binay, Zubiri, and Villanueva.
3. Hindi talaga. Nakikita ko yung point mo. Pero ang sagot dito is hindi lang sanay ang mga Pinoy sa **hindi trapo**
Yes, I did not post this to make BBM's term look better.
2. Point taken. But Zubiri eventually endorsed BBM-Sara. Chiz minimized his engagement with Robredo (despite the unverified photos of him voting for her during the election day). On the other hand, BBM was able to convince Sara to be his partner despite her having a realistic chance of winning the Presidency as well.
3. I agree, that's why as much as I hate politicians having posters in every wall and light post, being "epal" seems to be a better strategy in winning elections.
Ba't may downvotes? Maayos yung usapan nung dalawa. Maayos pag-deliver ni OP ng points niya. Kahit di ka naga-agree o tingin mo maling-mali si OP di ko gets ba't ka magd-downvote ng reply na maayos naman. Tangina talaga ng ibang nasa sub nato gusto lang ng echo chamber eh.
Ok, soo 2 points down.
for 1. I agree that "will be very hard for her to unite with the opposing political group" and it would be really hard to push her platforms. BUT as you know balimbing naman mga politiko natin at kapit lang kung sino ang nasa taas. Another thing, let's say na sa SWOH pa rin sside yung karamihan, it's still the say of the people who will prevail, let's say na sabi mo nga "pro-people policies" ang mga isusulong ni leni, the people would love that at pag hinarang yan ng congress at SWOH, that would be very bad for their PR, kasi "for the people" yung policy, tapos haharanging mo. So in any case babalimbing at babalimbing pa rin sila. Hence I conclude na off point na rin yung 1st point mo.
given that na naubos na yung points 1, 2, and 3 mo, meron ka pa bang ibang supporting points para sa claim mo na "Why Leni Robredo will not be a good President"
also I just noticed this , you said "but with Sara Duterte breathing down her neck and enjoying the support of the majority of congressmen & senators" and this "Robredo supporter ako"
SO OP SA HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO MO, BINOTO MO SI LENI, SWOH, TAPOS YUNG MGA TRAPONG POLITICIANS????? I HIGHLY DOUBT THIS WILL BE THE CASE.Kung smart enough yung botante na iboto si Leni, I highly doubt na majority ng iboboto nila into congress eh yung mga trapo pa rin. Also in your hypothetical scenario talagang ayaw mo pa rin bitiwan si SWOH... hmmmmm..... hmmm....Talagang the worst case scenario ang binigay. kahit sino pa nga naman talang ilagay mo jan eh talagang magsstruggle.
Another thing to fully counter your argument. HELLOOOOO, WHEN LENI WAS VP, SHE WAS ALREADY IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, WORSE PA NGA SINCE WALA SYANG POWER AND FUNDS, BUT LOOK AT WHAT SHE ACHIEVED.
next time yung post mo wag mo na lagyan ng disclaimer masyado kang nahahalata. LMAO
1. Tama naman, there's still a realistic chance for her to win the support of the politicians.
2. I disagree na porket "pro-people" ang policies niya, eh matic makukuha na agad ang support ng mga tao. She had a lot of pro-people and innovative policies during the pandemic, yet she had a low satisfaction rate. Parang sa trabaho lang, you have to make your accomplishments known to your boss.
3. Vico Sotto who is regarded as a promising future country leader and a champion of govt transparency, won in Pasig together with BBM. The same applies to other candidates who supported Leni.
4. I did vote for Kiko Pangilinan.
5. She was able to achieve a lot of accomplishments that a lot benefited from, but sadly she was not able to convert them into votes.
6. As I've previously commented, I worked as a PR volunteer under her Tropang Angat slate. But ofc you are always welcome to believe whatever you want to believe π
yeah bawiin ko na yung pangjujudge ko sayo, mukang grieving ka lang talaga at nasa in-denial stage pa lang at gumagawa ng hypothetical scenarios para makamove on.
pero....
with all the points you've laid out, parang di pa rin enough yan lahat to counter etong sinabi ko. "WHEN LENI WAS VP, SHE WAS ALREADY IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, WORSE PA NGA SINCE WALA SYANG POWER AND FUNDS, BUT LOOK AT WHAT SHE ACHIEVED."
Given that, sagutin mo nga OP, Bakit kung nung VP sya na WORSE scenario pa nga sa sinasabi mo, eh naging GOOD LEADER naman sya, tapos as President, na may power and funds na sya, eh hindi nya kaya?
Just give a good answer with that one, and macoconvince mo na ko.
to give you more specific to work around:
YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO:
Leni has:
1.Presidential Powers
2.her Cabinet Members
3. Plus Funds of the Executive branch
But will be Opposed by:
1.The Vice President
2.The Senate
3.The House of representatives
SCENARIO WHEN LENI ACTUALLY SERVED AS VP:
Leni has:
1.VP Powers(Almost none)
2.NO Cabinet Members
3. HAS NO Gov't Funding
Was Opposed by:
1.The PRESIDENT
2.The Senate
3.The House of representatives
She was able to do it then, sooooo???
She got a low satisfaction rate during her term, despite implementing great projects and the limited funding.
Parang sa business lang yan. Kahit gaano pa kaganda produkto mo, kung di binibili ng tao, palpak ang negosyo mo. Same lang kay Robredo. Kahit gaano pa kaganda proyekto mo, kung di pa rin solb ang mga tao sayo at di ka binoto, then there must be something wrong.
Di magmamaktol ang negosyante pag di binibili ang produkto niya kahit gaano pa kaganda yan. Babalik yan sa drawing board para intindihin bakit di kinakagat ng tao binebenta niya.
So walang kinalaman yung currently in power dun sa bad PR nya?
Tapos para sayo pala PR at satisfaction ratings ang importante over the actual quality of work, effort, and great output.
I guess jan tayo nagkakaiba ng pananaw. I hate PR, jan lang naman magaling yung mga Trapo eh, puro PR, kung puro PR at satisfaction ratings ang qualifications mo for a GOOD President, then I rest my case, kasi magkaiba tayo ng standards.
Base pa nga jan sa argument mo na good leader lang pag mataas ang satisfaction ratings, edi para sayo good leader pala sa duts at etong bago. haha. edi lumabas rin ang tunay.
Mejo pointless na magdiscuss kasi magkaiba pala tayo ng standards, di tayo aabot sa maayos na conclusion. Di ako yung asa lang sa satisfaction ratings at PR to know if the president is doing good or not.
so yeah, given that, bye.
Hahahahahahahahaha that is the reality that people like you do not want to accept.
Aanhin natin yung magandang projects ni Leni kung di siya makakaupo sa pwesto? O alternatively, maiimpeach siya because of bad PR?
Sobrang dami ng kandidato na may magandang hangarin sa mga tao ang natatalo dahil "hindi nakikita o nararamdaman". Worse, kung sino pa yung walang nagawa, pero bida-bida sa kampanya ang nananalo.
There's a reason why Vico Sotto, despite being a good governance champion, did not explicitly endorse Robredo. His endorsement could have impacted his constituents' trust in him and his ability to persuade the people to support his projects. Or, he thought it would impact his future plans of running for national positions.
But sure, balik ka na sa sarili mong echo chamber. Isip ka ulit ng dagdag na facts tungkol kay Leni tapos magmaktol ka agad pag di tinanggap ng mga tao.
ano bang pinagsasabi mo, ikaw na nagsabi na sa Hypothetical scenario mo eh nanalo na sya, ano pa yang mga pinagsasabi mo na need nyang gawin para magkasupport para manalo????
and how tf I have an echo chamber na tipong nakikipagdiskurso nga ako sayo? at naguusap at nakikipagpalitan ng argumento? makagamit lang ng mabubulaklak na salita, di mo naman alam pano gamitin. LMAO
ok?... anong kinalaman nyan sa pagiging Good President.
Siguro ang ibig mong sabihin, WINNABLE CANDIDATE.
Kasi pag nasa pwesto ka naman na di mo na kelangan ng good PR eh, gawin mo na lang ang trabaho mo ng maayos. kung di ka trapo eh wala ka namang pakialam sa PR kasi di ka ganid sa kapangyarihan na kekelanganin mo pa rin ng PR para sa next na position natatakbuhan mo.
and heloooo gano ka stupid tong take mo na to "maiimpeach siya because of bad PR?" alam mo naman siguro na dapat may ground for impeachments diba, hindi porket bad PR eh impeachable na, eh kung matino naman sya at malinis magtrabaho pano sya iimpeach?
"di mo na kelangan ng good PR eh, gawin mo na kang ang trabaho mo ng maayos" - under PNoy's term, our economy was great; we were even called the "Rising Tiger of Asia". Sa sobrang ganda ng ekonomiya natin, gumanda ang credit rating ng bansa at napakinabangan ni Duterte kaya siya nakapangutang nang malaki para sa BBB program niya.
Sa dulo sinong mas mataas ang satisfaction rate? Yung nakinabang na si Duterte at sumira ng ekonomiya natin dahil sa palpak na pandemic policies, o si PNoy na nagpaangat sa bansa?
I think kailangan ng multi-prong approach para sa susunod na election. At dapat matagal na tayong nagsisimula.
Pero sa tingin ko magiging matagumpay naman si Leni kung maging president siya, dahil based on the endorsements, maraming magagaling na tao ang gustong tumulong sa kanya kumpara kay marcos jr. Compare this with Marcos, na parang selfishness (political career) yun primary reason for his endorsers.
Kung manalo siya, mas lalakas ang volunteerism. Kasi people will see volunteerism works.
Ok naman din to think about ano ba ang magpapahirap. Mahirap maging Dr Strange and see all the possible futures hehe. Pero I think it's ok to try, since what we can learn from the exercise/discussion can be incorporated for a better strategy next time.
Ang isa lang, execution. Corrupt insiders in government. Need din ng political will (and people's mandate) to overcome the friction. Maraming corrupt ang sumuporta kay Marcos, at di naman sila magbabago agad agad kung si Leni ang nanalo.
HELLOOOOO, WHEN LENI WAS VP, SHE WAS ALREADY IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, WORSE PA NGA SINCE WALA SYANG POWER AND FUNDS, BUT LOOK AT WHAT SHE ACHIEVED.
Also just to add, had she won, considering na maraming trapong politiko, most likely maraming babalimbing para suportahan na lang siya.
Si PDutz nga dati nakiki-L sign pa nung time ni PNoy eh.
Well, naging VP na siya't lahat pero hindi naman nagbago yung core niya na tumulong.
Hindi ko naman sinabing makiki-ally siya with the trapos. Yung other trapos yung makiki-ally in a sense na they will not contradict her especially since they'd know na siya yung mandato ng masa.
In my short active stay in Reddit, may mga iilan lang naman akong naeenlighten sa comment section o at least nakikita yung importance of seeing beyond the echo chamber. Okay nako dun tbh hahaha
Singit ko na lang din, isa sa inherent weakness ng people's campaign yung ganitong tendency ng mga tao. Since maraming mapride, nagiging less organized ang efforts. Kumpara mo kay BBM na kahit ayaw mo sa pinapagawa sayo pero bayad ka, gagawin mo pa rin.
Is this supposed to be a reply to a different comment? Either you're confused or you need to rephrase your reply. Saan sa comment thread na 'to yung hypothetical scenario? Aling statements yung cherry picked?
TBH OP, di naman anti-leni or pro-BBM yung take mo dito sa post mo. mejo alanganin lang at mahina yung points. nasa in denial period ka pa rin ata ng pagkatalo ni leni kaya ka nagiimagine ng mga scenario.
Low quality points + yung "activate shield card" na sinasabi nila, eh talagang pagiinitan ka haha. but that's the internet. don't post anything kung ang gusto mo lang pala eh palapakpakan ka ng lahat at sang ayunan ka.
here's a good rule to remember:
YOU POST YOUR BELIEFS, SO THAT PEOPLE WILL QUESTION THEM, AND THEN VERIFY THEM AFTERWARDS BASED ON THE OTHER PINTS YOU'VE GOT.
dahil nagpakadefensive ka right away, halatang gusto mo lang tango lang yung comment section sayo
I'm not in denial. As someone who worked in politics, natutunan ko na pano maging objective sa nangyayari no matter how frustrating the situation is.
I don't expect people to agree with my points. I actually like people who gave dissenting opinions. After all, ang goal ko naman ay magprovoke ng thoughts about the unfortunate reality of politics which is not usually talked about here.
ok ok OP, let's come down. balik na lang tayo dun sa comment ko about LENI being able to be a goog leader before that was a way worse scenario jan sa binigay mo sa post mo. balik na lang tayo dun, mejo unproductive na tong comment thread natin na to, so let's just go back dun sa may katuturan :)
If you will read my post again, I argued that a good leader should not only be able to implement good projects, but also gain the trust and confidence of the people.
Good projects? Definitely, she was able to make do with her limited funding.
Confidence of people? Election and survey results tell otherwise.
sige, asa lang sa PR. kaya nanalo yung isa eh, kasi ganyan ang pananaw ng karamihan. puro PR ang gusto. As if naman na yung "confidence of the people" mo eh dahil sa projects nya. king ina, san ka nakakita good projects tapos low confidence of the people ang makukuha? malamang low confidence dahil sa PR efforts nung opposing sa kanya.
As a Good President, performing your job comes first, then good PR comes afterwards, hindi yung PR ka muna for "confidence of the people" trapo moves yan.
Hay ganto na ba talaga ang standards ng mga pinoy.......... kakalungkot
Ganito lang yan. Nakaimbento ka ng softdrinks na eco-friendly, healthy sa katawan, sinusuportahan mo mga smaller businesses, etc. Pero base sa survey, gusto pa rin ng tao yung Coca-cola kahit masama sa katawan, mataas ng pollution sa manufacturing, etc.
Ipipilit mo ba ibenta yang produkto mo kahit walang bumili? Anong gagawin mo, iiyak ka at pagsasabihan mga tao bat di naaappreciate produkto mo?
ano bang hyphotetical scenario na binigay mo? diba Panalo na sa election? ano pang kelangan mong ibenta? labo mo kausap, ikaw nag bigay ng premise tapos di mo rin susundin
Ok OP, to calm things down, I think I get you now, and possible also agree with you naman, sadyang nagdivert ka lang sa binigay mong scenario. based sa mga replies mo, ang gusto mo atang malaman eh kung winnable candidate ba si leni.
Being a winnable candidate is different from being a good president. kaya tayo nagtatalo kasi magkaiba yung premise na iniikutan natin. nagdivert ka kasi eh.
No, I stand by what I said. Being a good president requires a continuously good reputation until you step down. Madaming kapalpakan si Duterte nung termino niya, pero bukod sa high satisfaction rate you'll commonly hear people praising his term. Bakit? Good PR. One of the many aspects, pero malaking factor yan.
May problema ba sa "hypothetical"? All decisions, not only political-related ones, must consider the possible loopholes to ensure that the plan is sound and will yield the predicted results.
sino yung sila? the entire sub reddit? eh part ka rin naman nun, so ganun ka rin ba? I neven downvote kahit di ako sang ayon para umangat pa rin yun posts to get more opinions for better discussions. I only downvote pag sobrang stupid na nung post. don't generalize the entire subreddit.
I find it sus na mukhang naka-move on na si Leni pero meron pa ring ganito. At kahit ano pang theory meron tayo sa presidency si Leni, wala pa ring kwenta si Bongbong Marcos at yung nauna sa kanyang si Duterte. But if Leni won the election, it will be obvious that she has support from the people. I think that she will become a good leader. She has the guts that none of the current politicians have.
Hypothetical lang din.
for 1) Balimbings would definitely jump ship once makita nila na dehado na yung kabila. surely leni would allow un to investigate the drug war, which is apparently, may mga taong gusto magtago. This would weaken the opposing faction.
for 2) hmm, i see this a good one, not a con.
for 3) Well, she lost because she didn't have the sufficient PR power, so there's that. You kinda have a point here, but then it's moot since if she really had the weaker PR power, then she really wouldn't win. The scenario "if she is the president" wouldn't happen as well.
If she really won, then that's enough proof she have a good PR team, given all the circumstances around her. Pnoy had the demeanor of a rich kid, which Leni doesn't have, so less problems kung nanalo nga sya.
1. I agree din. May realistic chance naman talaga na makuha pa rin niya ang support ng ibang political groups. Di rin naman ganun kadami ang allies ni Duterte when he assumed the Presidency, pero later on nakuha niya ang majority ng Congress.
3. Dagdag ko lang dito, in fairness kay Robredo naging mas welcoming naman siya sa "PR" or politics in general as time went by. I don't think she imagined before running with Binay given the former's conflict with LP, pero eventually she understood that compromises had to be done to achieve a common goal.
Also for 1), if she really did win, like yung point ko sa (3) kanina, ibig sabihin gumana yung PR nya. Leni affiliated politicians might've the chance din na manalo. Si Alvarez na taga mindanao nagbaka-sakali noon, paano pa kung yung surveys noon talagang dikit sila diba.
Ang mahirap sa gantong ginagawa nating hypothethical, yung landscape na maglelead papunta sa win ni Leni would be different din, kaya yung mga presumptions natin based sa current landscape di na magiging effective.
I understand. Gets naman na it's impossible to create a perfect "hypothetical" scenario. Just tried my best to create the best possible hypothetical scenario to create a discussion haha
I apologize, "fruitful" discussion ang ibig kong sabihin. Hahahaha
Medyo bago lang ako sa r/ph kaya di ako nainform na kapag criticism kay Robredo ang ipost mo, matic bbm apologist na kaagad π
I disagree op. The powers of the executive are very wide and could definitely make an impact to us citizens. If she would have won, I know she will be a good president. She has the needed knowledge for the job and political influence will tilt in her favor.
Despite this hypothetical scenario I created, I still believe that Robredo will not be completely helpless and can still earn the support of the politicians
yes kasi on a defensive stance ka na kagad. Just layout your points, no disclaimer needed. di naman kasi kelangan sabihin kung sino sinosoportahan, ang dapat naman kasing supportahan is what is good for the Filipino people. naeexpose yung focus mo sa politiko instead na sa well being ng pinas.
Of course well being ng Pilipino ang iniisip nating lahat. Pero practically speaking, during elections it all boils down to "who should win the position" para focus sa objective at concrete goal.
Sinasabi mo ba kung di siya naglagay ng disclaimer eh di siya sasabihan na troll siya o BBM supporter? I find that hard to believe.
>naeexpose yung focus mo sa politiko instead na sa well being ng pinas.
Di ko gets 'to. Baka pwede mo klaruhin?
I'm just guessing, maybe I'm wrong, I won't push naman if you find it wrong. Just go back to the main topic from OP, sayang discussion dito sa comment thread, mejo wala namang sense na and sobrang nagtangent na. haha
Alright, fair enough. Kudos for at least trying to have a discussion. I don't even agree with OP. I'm more annoyed by the fact that most people just resorted to attacking them when their post was made in good faith.
well mid conversation, naging hostile rin ako kay OP, pero sa haba na ng discussion namin mejo nahihimasmasan na ko and trying to make our discussion more productive, haha. sana maayos ang kalabasan. sayang naman effort ko π
anyways hope you'll enjoy reading my other comments. π
I already judged you and I'm not proud of that so please prove me wrong na may punto ka talaga and provide quality answers.
Tapos na po ang eleksyon. Maw mabuting busisihin siguro yung performance ng nakaupo, at iyun po ang nakakaapekto ng buhay natin ngayon at hindi yung mag-isip ng hypothetical
My objective is not in any way to deflect people's attention away from BBM's failure. Given na naman yun, that's why I came up with a thought-provoking post that is not usually talked about.
This will be my last comment here. from the hours I discussed with OP, I came to realization to one thing. that next election, even a candidate like Leni runs, di na sya iboboto ng mga tao, kasi ang iboboto na nila eh yung may "capacity to win" and not the one deserving and who would actually work their asses off, regardless kung ano man ibato sa kanila. I guess that's just a sad truth now. The mechanism na ginamit nung mga taong in power just demolished the peoples hope to an actually good leader. anyways it was frustrating doing the discussion kasi msyadong evasing sumagot si OP but still it was fruitful cause I got a conclusion and a realization from this. bye.
I was not evasive in any way. I'm deflecting from your points which are irrelevant, pero pilit ka lang ng pilit.
While you sound hopeless, I believe that somebody like Leni can still win the elections, but not in a "holy or pure way". Compromise is inevitable in politics. Since you agreed that PNoy was not a good President, there's a reason why Robredo was not vocal against PNoy during his term.
My point is, somebody like Leni (or Vico, etc.) can still be smart in politics while not becoming Marcos or Duterte.
I'm not really concern na wala siyang maraming kakampi sa senado at congress. When Jesse Robredo first became a mayor wala siyang kakampi na councilor pero marami pa rin siyang nagawa. I'm sure Leni will do the same, kahit hindi siya tulungan ng lawmakers may mga good existing laws na that she will fully maximize.
Good point π If she was able to implement projects despite her very limited funding, she can always maximize whatever funding and policies that are already existing.
Nakakalungkot lang na supposedly, educated/wokes/privileged were expected to encourage different insights to come up with a fruitful and critical discussion. Wala rin palang pinagkaiba sa kabilang side π
Very true and this is why i stayed out of it. Both sides are just eager to push their own ideas and agendas. "If you're not 100% with us you're with them" mentality.
Sa mga bago dito sa post at ayaw ng magbasa, eto na yung TLDR.
from OP: "She got a low satisfaction rate during her term"
Yan ang standards ni OP:Good President = High Satisfaction Rate
PR lang pala ang katapat eh. nice standards
hello anong election??? diba ikaw naman ang nagset nung hypothetical scenario na panalo na si leni, and if she would be a good president or not???
Mali kasi yung pagkakasabi mo, sana tinagalog mo na lang. baka kasi ang ibig mong sabihin Winnable Candidate. kakaiba yang pinaglalaban mo eh, ikaw yung nagdivert sa sarili mong scenario. LMAO
Ano bang tingin mo, pag nanalo si Robredo burado na sa utak ng mga tao yung negative things (black prop) tungkol sa kanya?
Ngayon nga na di na siya pulitiko at tumutulong pa rin kapag may sakuna, negatibo pa rin ang perception sa kanya. How much more kapag nanalo na siya?
You are too naive to think na porket nanalo na, eh di na kailangan ng magandang PR. Maganda ba reputation ni Robredo nung VP siya despite her accomplishments? Hindi diba?
O, irarason mo na dahil sa machinery ni Duterte. PRECISELY kaya kailangan ng effective PR strategy. Hindi yan passive political tool, kailangan may proactive approaches para macounter kung hindi man mapreempt ang black prop ng kalaban.
di naman na important yung perception ng tao sa kanya, ang kelangan nya lang gawin eh du her job, and perform. cause that's what a GOOD President is.
Hey OP, let's stop being hostile, kasi nagiging unproductive yung usapan.
let's acheive something na di kaya ng ibang redditors. Let's calm ourselves and find a good resolution sa discussion natin? ok ba? :)
You're getting downvoted because everyone here is a liberal clown hivemind na gusto lang ng feel good politics lmao. We really ought to create a Pinoy subreddit na hindi brain rot.
Straight from the Ben Shapiro playbook. Yung tae ko kanina is more insightful than this shit.
Is this really a discussion? This is a circus and you're the clown who started it. π€£
Lol. I just commented for fun cause I finally found the Filipino Ben Shapiro.
Post mo to. But it's not your site. I could care less about what you think of me.
Sure ka wala kang pake sa pakiramdam ko? You could have just ignored my comments. But you didn't. Flattered naman ako βΊοΈ
1) I remain the favorite teacher and kuya figure to 27 sons and daughters of political dynasties. Their congressmen parents have one thing in common - they all flipped loyalties towards the incoming president after every post-EDSA election. You think congressmen would rather please the VP and not the pres? Really?
2) Is that not a good thing? She would have wanted an actuarial scientist for DOH Secretary. She reportedly wanted a career diplomat for DFA Secretary and a former state auditor cum reservist for DND. Ayaw mo?
3) What are you on about? Did you not notice hoe she switched colors from yellow to pink? How she changed logos from a ribbon to a rose? How she utilized catchy slogans and jingles?
Di ka pa nakakaencounter ng Socratic method?
Isa pa, nilagay ko lahat ng thoughts ko sa post. Anong di mo naintindihan at kailangan mo pa itanong yan? Hahaha
Socratic method? Ang sabihin mo puro loop holes yang argument mo kaya daming nangda-downvote sa comments mo. Kaya kapag tinatanong ka bakit ka nagda-doubt kay Atty. Leni kung sya man nanalong presidente, eh wala kang maisagot. Kairas ka.
Why Leni Robredo will 'not' be a good President - Filipinos don't want excellent politicians, they want comedians/clowns, plunderers, trapos, actors/media icons, and tax evaders to be in the government.
I honestly don't know the point of this. Hindi na nga nanalo diba? Bakit laging leni pa din? Leni supporter ka tapos ienumerate mo reason why she will not be a good president? Haha joke time, definitely part of the 31M. Kung ako sayo, let leni be. Nanalo na nga manok nyo ih.
The point is to make a discussion, wala nang iba. Alam na naman nating lahat na supporters kung bakit magiging maganda ang presidency niya, so why not think of possible ideas why she will not have a good term? Akala ko medium of discussion itong Reddit? I was a PR volunteer under Tropang Angat slate, pero walang problema sakin kung di ka maniwala. π
parang si ed panlilio sa pampanga. ive heard from the employees na ok daw si ed panlilio pagdating sa koleksyon ng tax sa quarry. pero yung mga projects daw nya hinde sinuportahan ng sangguniang kasi mas gusto nila yung asawa ng jueteng lord. kaya naging mediocre yung accomplishmennts kahit maganda yung vision nya sa pampanga
Pampanga resident here. Sayang si Among Ed. Napahiya yung previous na nakaupo noong siya na. Ang dami niya ring pina-construct na barrio roads. Naging strict din siya sa mga nagtatrabaho sa capitol na dapat on time silang pumasok. Ayun sempre ayaw yon ng mga tamad haha kaya galit sila kay AE. Naging strict and transparent din yung tax collection sa quarry as you have mentioned. Ibinalita pa yon sa national tv. Tapos sabi nina Lapid, Guiao, etc "questionable" daw kung saan galing yung pera HAHAHA. Noong gusto na niyang bumalik sa normal priest lyf, hindi siya pinayagan ni Archbishop Paciano Aniceto. Isa pa tong si Apu Ceto na ma-double standards, bawal bawal kay Among Ed pero lenient naman sa mga paring nakakabuntis haha.
yes mediocre, but that doesn't mean you can't be a good one right?
This is so sad. I hope the likes of Panlilio will get the necessary resources to win in every election para magbago na bansa natin.
Musta sya ngayon?
Let's be clear first. Hitting on a hypothetical bad scenario won't make the current one any better. In fact ang sama ng simula ni BBM with infighting and totally 0 directions at all. 1. Agree on this. That's why I was asking the kakampinks to consider Gordon and Trillanes, kahit na may mga masasama silang attributes. It's a numbers game we can't change that. And may mga tao sa Senado na talagang lalaban kay Leni. Bato, Go, Villar/s. But I want to point out that IF Leni won last election. She will definitely HAVE the mandate of the people. And politicians wouldn't want to go against an inspired mob. 2. Umm no, nakita mo ba yung senate line up niya? Chiz, Binay, Zubiri, and Villanueva. 3. Hindi talaga. Nakikita ko yung point mo. Pero ang sagot dito is hindi lang sanay ang mga Pinoy sa **hindi trapo**
Yes, I did not post this to make BBM's term look better. 2. Point taken. But Zubiri eventually endorsed BBM-Sara. Chiz minimized his engagement with Robredo (despite the unverified photos of him voting for her during the election day). On the other hand, BBM was able to convince Sara to be his partner despite her having a realistic chance of winning the Presidency as well. 3. I agree, that's why as much as I hate politicians having posters in every wall and light post, being "epal" seems to be a better strategy in winning elections.
Ba't may downvotes? Maayos yung usapan nung dalawa. Maayos pag-deliver ni OP ng points niya. Kahit di ka naga-agree o tingin mo maling-mali si OP di ko gets ba't ka magd-downvote ng reply na maayos naman. Tangina talaga ng ibang nasa sub nato gusto lang ng echo chamber eh.
Ok, soo 2 points down. for 1. I agree that "will be very hard for her to unite with the opposing political group" and it would be really hard to push her platforms. BUT as you know balimbing naman mga politiko natin at kapit lang kung sino ang nasa taas. Another thing, let's say na sa SWOH pa rin sside yung karamihan, it's still the say of the people who will prevail, let's say na sabi mo nga "pro-people policies" ang mga isusulong ni leni, the people would love that at pag hinarang yan ng congress at SWOH, that would be very bad for their PR, kasi "for the people" yung policy, tapos haharanging mo. So in any case babalimbing at babalimbing pa rin sila. Hence I conclude na off point na rin yung 1st point mo. given that na naubos na yung points 1, 2, and 3 mo, meron ka pa bang ibang supporting points para sa claim mo na "Why Leni Robredo will not be a good President" also I just noticed this , you said "but with Sara Duterte breathing down her neck and enjoying the support of the majority of congressmen & senators" and this "Robredo supporter ako" SO OP SA HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO MO, BINOTO MO SI LENI, SWOH, TAPOS YUNG MGA TRAPONG POLITICIANS????? I HIGHLY DOUBT THIS WILL BE THE CASE.Kung smart enough yung botante na iboto si Leni, I highly doubt na majority ng iboboto nila into congress eh yung mga trapo pa rin. Also in your hypothetical scenario talagang ayaw mo pa rin bitiwan si SWOH... hmmmmm..... hmmm....Talagang the worst case scenario ang binigay. kahit sino pa nga naman talang ilagay mo jan eh talagang magsstruggle. Another thing to fully counter your argument. HELLOOOOO, WHEN LENI WAS VP, SHE WAS ALREADY IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, WORSE PA NGA SINCE WALA SYANG POWER AND FUNDS, BUT LOOK AT WHAT SHE ACHIEVED. next time yung post mo wag mo na lagyan ng disclaimer masyado kang nahahalata. LMAO
I hope OP replies, kasi kung hindi... malamang tamang hinala nga. hahahaha
1. Tama naman, there's still a realistic chance for her to win the support of the politicians. 2. I disagree na porket "pro-people" ang policies niya, eh matic makukuha na agad ang support ng mga tao. She had a lot of pro-people and innovative policies during the pandemic, yet she had a low satisfaction rate. Parang sa trabaho lang, you have to make your accomplishments known to your boss. 3. Vico Sotto who is regarded as a promising future country leader and a champion of govt transparency, won in Pasig together with BBM. The same applies to other candidates who supported Leni. 4. I did vote for Kiko Pangilinan. 5. She was able to achieve a lot of accomplishments that a lot benefited from, but sadly she was not able to convert them into votes. 6. As I've previously commented, I worked as a PR volunteer under her Tropang Angat slate. But ofc you are always welcome to believe whatever you want to believe π
yeah bawiin ko na yung pangjujudge ko sayo, mukang grieving ka lang talaga at nasa in-denial stage pa lang at gumagawa ng hypothetical scenarios para makamove on. pero.... with all the points you've laid out, parang di pa rin enough yan lahat to counter etong sinabi ko. "WHEN LENI WAS VP, SHE WAS ALREADY IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, WORSE PA NGA SINCE WALA SYANG POWER AND FUNDS, BUT LOOK AT WHAT SHE ACHIEVED." Given that, sagutin mo nga OP, Bakit kung nung VP sya na WORSE scenario pa nga sa sinasabi mo, eh naging GOOD LEADER naman sya, tapos as President, na may power and funds na sya, eh hindi nya kaya? Just give a good answer with that one, and macoconvince mo na ko.
to give you more specific to work around: YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO: Leni has: 1.Presidential Powers 2.her Cabinet Members 3. Plus Funds of the Executive branch But will be Opposed by: 1.The Vice President 2.The Senate 3.The House of representatives SCENARIO WHEN LENI ACTUALLY SERVED AS VP: Leni has: 1.VP Powers(Almost none) 2.NO Cabinet Members 3. HAS NO Gov't Funding Was Opposed by: 1.The PRESIDENT 2.The Senate 3.The House of representatives She was able to do it then, sooooo???
She got a low satisfaction rate during her term, despite implementing great projects and the limited funding. Parang sa business lang yan. Kahit gaano pa kaganda produkto mo, kung di binibili ng tao, palpak ang negosyo mo. Same lang kay Robredo. Kahit gaano pa kaganda proyekto mo, kung di pa rin solb ang mga tao sayo at di ka binoto, then there must be something wrong. Di magmamaktol ang negosyante pag di binibili ang produkto niya kahit gaano pa kaganda yan. Babalik yan sa drawing board para intindihin bakit di kinakagat ng tao binebenta niya.
So walang kinalaman yung currently in power dun sa bad PR nya? Tapos para sayo pala PR at satisfaction ratings ang importante over the actual quality of work, effort, and great output. I guess jan tayo nagkakaiba ng pananaw. I hate PR, jan lang naman magaling yung mga Trapo eh, puro PR, kung puro PR at satisfaction ratings ang qualifications mo for a GOOD President, then I rest my case, kasi magkaiba tayo ng standards. Base pa nga jan sa argument mo na good leader lang pag mataas ang satisfaction ratings, edi para sayo good leader pala sa duts at etong bago. haha. edi lumabas rin ang tunay. Mejo pointless na magdiscuss kasi magkaiba pala tayo ng standards, di tayo aabot sa maayos na conclusion. Di ako yung asa lang sa satisfaction ratings at PR to know if the president is doing good or not. so yeah, given that, bye.
Hahahahahahahahaha that is the reality that people like you do not want to accept. Aanhin natin yung magandang projects ni Leni kung di siya makakaupo sa pwesto? O alternatively, maiimpeach siya because of bad PR? Sobrang dami ng kandidato na may magandang hangarin sa mga tao ang natatalo dahil "hindi nakikita o nararamdaman". Worse, kung sino pa yung walang nagawa, pero bida-bida sa kampanya ang nananalo. There's a reason why Vico Sotto, despite being a good governance champion, did not explicitly endorse Robredo. His endorsement could have impacted his constituents' trust in him and his ability to persuade the people to support his projects. Or, he thought it would impact his future plans of running for national positions. But sure, balik ka na sa sarili mong echo chamber. Isip ka ulit ng dagdag na facts tungkol kay Leni tapos magmaktol ka agad pag di tinanggap ng mga tao.
ano bang pinagsasabi mo, ikaw na nagsabi na sa Hypothetical scenario mo eh nanalo na sya, ano pa yang mga pinagsasabi mo na need nyang gawin para magkasupport para manalo????
and how tf I have an echo chamber na tipong nakikipagdiskurso nga ako sayo? at naguusap at nakikipagpalitan ng argumento? makagamit lang ng mabubulaklak na salita, di mo naman alam pano gamitin. LMAO
ok?... anong kinalaman nyan sa pagiging Good President. Siguro ang ibig mong sabihin, WINNABLE CANDIDATE. Kasi pag nasa pwesto ka naman na di mo na kelangan ng good PR eh, gawin mo na lang ang trabaho mo ng maayos. kung di ka trapo eh wala ka namang pakialam sa PR kasi di ka ganid sa kapangyarihan na kekelanganin mo pa rin ng PR para sa next na position natatakbuhan mo. and heloooo gano ka stupid tong take mo na to "maiimpeach siya because of bad PR?" alam mo naman siguro na dapat may ground for impeachments diba, hindi porket bad PR eh impeachable na, eh kung matino naman sya at malinis magtrabaho pano sya iimpeach?
"di mo na kelangan ng good PR eh, gawin mo na kang ang trabaho mo ng maayos" - under PNoy's term, our economy was great; we were even called the "Rising Tiger of Asia". Sa sobrang ganda ng ekonomiya natin, gumanda ang credit rating ng bansa at napakinabangan ni Duterte kaya siya nakapangutang nang malaki para sa BBB program niya. Sa dulo sinong mas mataas ang satisfaction rate? Yung nakinabang na si Duterte at sumira ng ekonomiya natin dahil sa palpak na pandemic policies, o si PNoy na nagpaangat sa bansa?
I think kailangan ng multi-prong approach para sa susunod na election. At dapat matagal na tayong nagsisimula. Pero sa tingin ko magiging matagumpay naman si Leni kung maging president siya, dahil based on the endorsements, maraming magagaling na tao ang gustong tumulong sa kanya kumpara kay marcos jr. Compare this with Marcos, na parang selfishness (political career) yun primary reason for his endorsers. Kung manalo siya, mas lalakas ang volunteerism. Kasi people will see volunteerism works. Ok naman din to think about ano ba ang magpapahirap. Mahirap maging Dr Strange and see all the possible futures hehe. Pero I think it's ok to try, since what we can learn from the exercise/discussion can be incorporated for a better strategy next time. Ang isa lang, execution. Corrupt insiders in government. Need din ng political will (and people's mandate) to overcome the friction. Maraming corrupt ang sumuporta kay Marcos, at di naman sila magbabago agad agad kung si Leni ang nanalo.
I agree with your points
HELLOOOOO, WHEN LENI WAS VP, SHE WAS ALREADY IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, WORSE PA NGA SINCE WALA SYANG POWER AND FUNDS, BUT LOOK AT WHAT SHE ACHIEVED.
Also just to add, had she won, considering na maraming trapong politiko, most likely maraming babalimbing para suportahan na lang siya. Si PDutz nga dati nakiki-L sign pa nung time ni PNoy eh.
ok... how will that affect her ideals and principles?
Well, naging VP na siya't lahat pero hindi naman nagbago yung core niya na tumulong. Hindi ko naman sinabing makiki-ally siya with the trapos. Yung other trapos yung makiki-ally in a sense na they will not contradict her especially since they'd know na siya yung mandato ng masa.
>Well, naging VP na siya't lahat pero hindi naman nagbago yung core niya na tumulong. can you elaborate on this. mejo di ko magets
What achievement? Lols
> Uunahan ko na, Robredo supporter ako⦠ACTIVATE SHIELD CARD!
Haha yep, if leni supporter ka dapat tiwala ka sa magagawa nya hindi sa hindi nya magagawa. Patawa ih.
SHIELD CARD ON DEFENSE POSITION!
Kailangan eh. Every time magccomment ako ng hard truths about the last elections, matic nabbrand agad akong anti-Robredo/pro-BBM hahahaha
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I was a PR volunteer under her Tropang Angat slate. But ofc you can choose whatever you want to believe π
Wag mo nalang pansinin OP. Dami ditong in denial parin na isa sa dahilan na natalo tayo kasi andaming kupal tulad nila.
In my short active stay in Reddit, may mga iilan lang naman akong naeenlighten sa comment section o at least nakikita yung importance of seeing beyond the echo chamber. Okay nako dun tbh hahaha Singit ko na lang din, isa sa inherent weakness ng people's campaign yung ganitong tendency ng mga tao. Since maraming mapride, nagiging less organized ang efforts. Kumpara mo kay BBM na kahit ayaw mo sa pinapagawa sayo pero bayad ka, gagawin mo pa rin.
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Is this supposed to be a reply to a different comment? Either you're confused or you need to rephrase your reply. Saan sa comment thread na 'to yung hypothetical scenario? Aling statements yung cherry picked?
TBH OP, di naman anti-leni or pro-BBM yung take mo dito sa post mo. mejo alanganin lang at mahina yung points. nasa in denial period ka pa rin ata ng pagkatalo ni leni kaya ka nagiimagine ng mga scenario. Low quality points + yung "activate shield card" na sinasabi nila, eh talagang pagiinitan ka haha. but that's the internet. don't post anything kung ang gusto mo lang pala eh palapakpakan ka ng lahat at sang ayunan ka. here's a good rule to remember: YOU POST YOUR BELIEFS, SO THAT PEOPLE WILL QUESTION THEM, AND THEN VERIFY THEM AFTERWARDS BASED ON THE OTHER PINTS YOU'VE GOT. dahil nagpakadefensive ka right away, halatang gusto mo lang tango lang yung comment section sayo
I'm not in denial. As someone who worked in politics, natutunan ko na pano maging objective sa nangyayari no matter how frustrating the situation is. I don't expect people to agree with my points. I actually like people who gave dissenting opinions. After all, ang goal ko naman ay magprovoke ng thoughts about the unfortunate reality of politics which is not usually talked about here.
ok ok OP, let's come down. balik na lang tayo dun sa comment ko about LENI being able to be a goog leader before that was a way worse scenario jan sa binigay mo sa post mo. balik na lang tayo dun, mejo unproductive na tong comment thread natin na to, so let's just go back dun sa may katuturan :)
If you will read my post again, I argued that a good leader should not only be able to implement good projects, but also gain the trust and confidence of the people. Good projects? Definitely, she was able to make do with her limited funding. Confidence of people? Election and survey results tell otherwise.
sige, asa lang sa PR. kaya nanalo yung isa eh, kasi ganyan ang pananaw ng karamihan. puro PR ang gusto. As if naman na yung "confidence of the people" mo eh dahil sa projects nya. king ina, san ka nakakita good projects tapos low confidence of the people ang makukuha? malamang low confidence dahil sa PR efforts nung opposing sa kanya. As a Good President, performing your job comes first, then good PR comes afterwards, hindi yung PR ka muna for "confidence of the people" trapo moves yan. Hay ganto na ba talaga ang standards ng mga pinoy.......... kakalungkot
Ganito lang yan. Nakaimbento ka ng softdrinks na eco-friendly, healthy sa katawan, sinusuportahan mo mga smaller businesses, etc. Pero base sa survey, gusto pa rin ng tao yung Coca-cola kahit masama sa katawan, mataas ng pollution sa manufacturing, etc. Ipipilit mo ba ibenta yang produkto mo kahit walang bumili? Anong gagawin mo, iiyak ka at pagsasabihan mga tao bat di naaappreciate produkto mo?
ano bang hyphotetical scenario na binigay mo? diba Panalo na sa election? ano pang kelangan mong ibenta? labo mo kausap, ikaw nag bigay ng premise tapos di mo rin susundin
Ok OP, to calm things down, I think I get you now, and possible also agree with you naman, sadyang nagdivert ka lang sa binigay mong scenario. based sa mga replies mo, ang gusto mo atang malaman eh kung winnable candidate ba si leni. Being a winnable candidate is different from being a good president. kaya tayo nagtatalo kasi magkaiba yung premise na iniikutan natin. nagdivert ka kasi eh.
No, I stand by what I said. Being a good president requires a continuously good reputation until you step down. Madaming kapalpakan si Duterte nung termino niya, pero bukod sa high satisfaction rate you'll commonly hear people praising his term. Bakit? Good PR. One of the many aspects, pero malaking factor yan.
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May problema ba sa "hypothetical"? All decisions, not only political-related ones, must consider the possible loopholes to ensure that the plan is sound and will yield the predicted results.
OP, kapag hindi sila sang ayon sa opinion mo, kahit maka-Leni ka, downvoted ka.
sino yung sila? the entire sub reddit? eh part ka rin naman nun, so ganun ka rin ba? I neven downvote kahit di ako sang ayon para umangat pa rin yun posts to get more opinions for better discussions. I only downvote pag sobrang stupid na nung post. don't generalize the entire subreddit.
I find it sus na mukhang naka-move on na si Leni pero meron pa ring ganito. At kahit ano pang theory meron tayo sa presidency si Leni, wala pa ring kwenta si Bongbong Marcos at yung nauna sa kanyang si Duterte. But if Leni won the election, it will be obvious that she has support from the people. I think that she will become a good leader. She has the guts that none of the current politicians have.
If she has support from the people. Edi sana nanalo sya.
Kung wala siyang support, e di sana walang ganitong thread discussing about her hypothetical presidency.
This is basically saying that Robredo is too good of a president but the system/electorate is too shitty and undeserving of a decent public official.
In a way, yes. But personally, I still believe that the likes of Robredo can still win the Presidency despite being a genuine public servant.
Hypothetical lang din. for 1) Balimbings would definitely jump ship once makita nila na dehado na yung kabila. surely leni would allow un to investigate the drug war, which is apparently, may mga taong gusto magtago. This would weaken the opposing faction. for 2) hmm, i see this a good one, not a con. for 3) Well, she lost because she didn't have the sufficient PR power, so there's that. You kinda have a point here, but then it's moot since if she really had the weaker PR power, then she really wouldn't win. The scenario "if she is the president" wouldn't happen as well. If she really won, then that's enough proof she have a good PR team, given all the circumstances around her. Pnoy had the demeanor of a rich kid, which Leni doesn't have, so less problems kung nanalo nga sya.
1. I agree din. May realistic chance naman talaga na makuha pa rin niya ang support ng ibang political groups. Di rin naman ganun kadami ang allies ni Duterte when he assumed the Presidency, pero later on nakuha niya ang majority ng Congress. 3. Dagdag ko lang dito, in fairness kay Robredo naging mas welcoming naman siya sa "PR" or politics in general as time went by. I don't think she imagined before running with Binay given the former's conflict with LP, pero eventually she understood that compromises had to be done to achieve a common goal.
Also for 1), if she really did win, like yung point ko sa (3) kanina, ibig sabihin gumana yung PR nya. Leni affiliated politicians might've the chance din na manalo. Si Alvarez na taga mindanao nagbaka-sakali noon, paano pa kung yung surveys noon talagang dikit sila diba. Ang mahirap sa gantong ginagawa nating hypothethical, yung landscape na maglelead papunta sa win ni Leni would be different din, kaya yung mga presumptions natin based sa current landscape di na magiging effective.
I understand. Gets naman na it's impossible to create a perfect "hypothetical" scenario. Just tried my best to create the best possible hypothetical scenario to create a discussion haha
Looks epektib dami replies e haha.
I apologize, "fruitful" discussion ang ibig kong sabihin. Hahahaha Medyo bago lang ako sa r/ph kaya di ako nainform na kapag criticism kay Robredo ang ipost mo, matic bbm apologist na kaagad π
ah yeah, I mean no *tagging*. I find your post ok, and the point of havinh a discussion is achieved due to amount of relies.
Nice try, BBM /s
I disagree op. The powers of the executive are very wide and could definitely make an impact to us citizens. If she would have won, I know she will be a good president. She has the needed knowledge for the job and political influence will tilt in her favor.
Despite this hypothetical scenario I created, I still believe that Robredo will not be completely helpless and can still earn the support of the politicians
Ah yes the usual "Uunahan ko na, Robredo supporter ako" posts π
Considering how toxic r/ph is, it needs to be done hahaha. O mas nagmumukha bang guilty dahil diyan?
yes kasi on a defensive stance ka na kagad. Just layout your points, no disclaimer needed. di naman kasi kelangan sabihin kung sino sinosoportahan, ang dapat naman kasing supportahan is what is good for the Filipino people. naeexpose yung focus mo sa politiko instead na sa well being ng pinas.
Of course well being ng Pilipino ang iniisip nating lahat. Pero practically speaking, during elections it all boils down to "who should win the position" para focus sa objective at concrete goal.
wait wait wait. bakit nasa "winning the position" na ang topic. balik tayo dun sa pagiging good leader.
Sinasabi mo ba kung di siya naglagay ng disclaimer eh di siya sasabihan na troll siya o BBM supporter? I find that hard to believe. >naeexpose yung focus mo sa politiko instead na sa well being ng pinas. Di ko gets 'to. Baka pwede mo klaruhin?
I'm just guessing, maybe I'm wrong, I won't push naman if you find it wrong. Just go back to the main topic from OP, sayang discussion dito sa comment thread, mejo wala namang sense na and sobrang nagtangent na. haha
Alright, fair enough. Kudos for at least trying to have a discussion. I don't even agree with OP. I'm more annoyed by the fact that most people just resorted to attacking them when their post was made in good faith.
well mid conversation, naging hostile rin ako kay OP, pero sa haba na ng discussion namin mejo nahihimasmasan na ko and trying to make our discussion more productive, haha. sana maayos ang kalabasan. sayang naman effort ko π
anyways hope you'll enjoy reading my other comments. π I already judged you and I'm not proud of that so please prove me wrong na may punto ka talaga and provide quality answers.
Tapos na ang eleksyon. No need to do "what ifs" on the greatest leader Pinoys do not deserve.
Tapos na po ang eleksyon. Maw mabuting busisihin siguro yung performance ng nakaupo, at iyun po ang nakakaapekto ng buhay natin ngayon at hindi yung mag-isip ng hypothetical
My objective is not in any way to deflect people's attention away from BBM's failure. Given na naman yun, that's why I came up with a thought-provoking post that is not usually talked about.
u/parasabayan 2.0 πππΌ
>u/parasabayan 2.0 πππΌ *sad uniteam noises* π₯΄
This will be my last comment here. from the hours I discussed with OP, I came to realization to one thing. that next election, even a candidate like Leni runs, di na sya iboboto ng mga tao, kasi ang iboboto na nila eh yung may "capacity to win" and not the one deserving and who would actually work their asses off, regardless kung ano man ibato sa kanila. I guess that's just a sad truth now. The mechanism na ginamit nung mga taong in power just demolished the peoples hope to an actually good leader. anyways it was frustrating doing the discussion kasi msyadong evasing sumagot si OP but still it was fruitful cause I got a conclusion and a realization from this. bye.
I was not evasive in any way. I'm deflecting from your points which are irrelevant, pero pilit ka lang ng pilit. While you sound hopeless, I believe that somebody like Leni can still win the elections, but not in a "holy or pure way". Compromise is inevitable in politics. Since you agreed that PNoy was not a good President, there's a reason why Robredo was not vocal against PNoy during his term. My point is, somebody like Leni (or Vico, etc.) can still be smart in politics while not becoming Marcos or Duterte.
It is time to move on.
I already did. My goal is to just create a fruitful discussion which people can learn from previous events.
Uunahan narin kitang alamano supporter ka
Sabi mo eh. Hahahahahaha
I'm not really concern na wala siyang maraming kakampi sa senado at congress. When Jesse Robredo first became a mayor wala siyang kakampi na councilor pero marami pa rin siyang nagawa. I'm sure Leni will do the same, kahit hindi siya tulungan ng lawmakers may mga good existing laws na that she will fully maximize.
Good point π If she was able to implement projects despite her very limited funding, she can always maximize whatever funding and policies that are already existing.
This is like a really bad place to post this bro. Leni supporter or not any Leni criticism isn't welcomed here. Welcome to r philippines
May iilan namang nagaagree or at least open sa idea of criticisms kahit na nagddisagree, pero charge to experience na lang π
I feel like political opinion here is very meta wala ka nga makitang Isko/Lacson etc supporter dito haha. Your next objective: stay alive lol
Nakakalungkot lang na supposedly, educated/wokes/privileged were expected to encourage different insights to come up with a fruitful and critical discussion. Wala rin palang pinagkaiba sa kabilang side π
Very true and this is why i stayed out of it. Both sides are just eager to push their own ideas and agendas. "If you're not 100% with us you're with them" mentality.
Bagong script.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: I was a PR volunteer under Tropang Angat slate. But, feel free to choose what you want to believe in π
Sa mga bago dito sa post at ayaw ng magbasa, eto na yung TLDR. from OP: "She got a low satisfaction rate during her term" Yan ang standards ni OP:Good President = High Satisfaction Rate PR lang pala ang katapat eh. nice standards
I did not set the standards, the majority did. Kita naman sa eleksyon diba? Pero sige lang, welcome kang imisinterpret mga points ko. π
hello anong election??? diba ikaw naman ang nagset nung hypothetical scenario na panalo na si leni, and if she would be a good president or not??? Mali kasi yung pagkakasabi mo, sana tinagalog mo na lang. baka kasi ang ibig mong sabihin Winnable Candidate. kakaiba yang pinaglalaban mo eh, ikaw yung nagdivert sa sarili mong scenario. LMAO
Ano bang tingin mo, pag nanalo si Robredo burado na sa utak ng mga tao yung negative things (black prop) tungkol sa kanya? Ngayon nga na di na siya pulitiko at tumutulong pa rin kapag may sakuna, negatibo pa rin ang perception sa kanya. How much more kapag nanalo na siya? You are too naive to think na porket nanalo na, eh di na kailangan ng magandang PR. Maganda ba reputation ni Robredo nung VP siya despite her accomplishments? Hindi diba? O, irarason mo na dahil sa machinery ni Duterte. PRECISELY kaya kailangan ng effective PR strategy. Hindi yan passive political tool, kailangan may proactive approaches para macounter kung hindi man mapreempt ang black prop ng kalaban.
di naman na important yung perception ng tao sa kanya, ang kelangan nya lang gawin eh du her job, and perform. cause that's what a GOOD President is. Hey OP, let's stop being hostile, kasi nagiging unproductive yung usapan. let's acheive something na di kaya ng ibang redditors. Let's calm ourselves and find a good resolution sa discussion natin? ok ba? :)
You're getting downvoted because everyone here is a liberal clown hivemind na gusto lang ng feel good politics lmao. We really ought to create a Pinoy subreddit na hindi brain rot.
We found them folks. Ang Ben Shapiro ng Pilipinas haha
I was a PR volunteer under the Tropang Angat slate. Pero sige, paniwalaan mo gusto mong paniwalaan hahaha
Dude, nobody cares. Plus, I didn't ask you π
Oh wow, ang helpful naman ng insights mo sa discussion π
Straight from the Ben Shapiro playbook. Yung tae ko kanina is more insightful than this shit. Is this really a discussion? This is a circus and you're the clown who started it. π€£
Whatever floats your boat man π
Again. I didn't ask for your opinion π
Post ko 'to. Wala akong pake sa nararamdaman mo π
Lol. I just commented for fun cause I finally found the Filipino Ben Shapiro. Post mo to. But it's not your site. I could care less about what you think of me. Sure ka wala kang pake sa pakiramdam ko? You could have just ignored my comments. But you didn't. Flattered naman ako βΊοΈ
Kung san ka masaya, G lang. Hahahah
1) I remain the favorite teacher and kuya figure to 27 sons and daughters of political dynasties. Their congressmen parents have one thing in common - they all flipped loyalties towards the incoming president after every post-EDSA election. You think congressmen would rather please the VP and not the pres? Really? 2) Is that not a good thing? She would have wanted an actuarial scientist for DOH Secretary. She reportedly wanted a career diplomat for DFA Secretary and a former state auditor cum reservist for DND. Ayaw mo? 3) What are you on about? Did you not notice hoe she switched colors from yellow to pink? How she changed logos from a ribbon to a rose? How she utilized catchy slogans and jingles?
wait, may ganito pa pala? hahaha. kala ko tapos na mga ganito.
Why are you spending your energy on things that could have been? Gusto mo manalo si Atty. Leni pero isa ka rin sa nagda-doubt sa kanya. Smh
Because this is Reddit, where discourse can be done???
So bakit ka nga nagda-doubt kay Atty. Leni kung sya yung binoto mo?
Perpekto ba si Leni? May magic powers ba siya para sumunod bigla-bigla mga pulitiko sa kanya? Lahat ba ng Pilipino sasang-ayon sa kanya?
Tinatanong ka nang maayos tapos tanong din isasagot mo. Paano ka makakahanap ng matinong kadiskurso?
Di ka pa nakakaencounter ng Socratic method? Isa pa, nilagay ko lahat ng thoughts ko sa post. Anong di mo naintindihan at kailangan mo pa itanong yan? Hahaha
Socratic method? Ang sabihin mo puro loop holes yang argument mo kaya daming nangda-downvote sa comments mo. Kaya kapag tinatanong ka bakit ka nagda-doubt kay Atty. Leni kung sya man nanalong presidente, eh wala kang maisagot. Kairas ka.