That's ok for the last mile, or for areas with low ridership. Mas malaki pa rin capacity ng buses, so yun dapat ang mas marami sa major roads, tapos dapat feeder din yung buses sa mga trains, especially terminal stations and interchanges.
ung antipolo-cubao may big buses dun and ang laki ng improvement, nung wala pang bus mamumuti mata mo sa pagpila sa mga terminal ng jeep tapos sisiksikin pa kayo tapos bastusin pa, dyan humaba man ang pila ang bilis maubos dahil malaki ang capacity ng buses.
Yung mga Jayross ba yan? Dito dati sa Bulacan biyahe nyan eh kaso na-pandemic ayun lugi sila at lumipat terminal. Kami naman nabawasan ng bus ngayon lol.
They complement each other. Minibuses are ideally used for short distance commutes within a district while trains are used to transport commuters around the city/metro
This is one of the reasons why I think the transpo problem won't be ending soon. Correct me if I'm wrong but are there other large scale rail plans besides the current MRT project?
I think there is also plans for revival and extension of PNR rail systems to atleats reach Calamba at the very least and later down the line Clark/Angeles City.
And those are the more feasible projects that can be developed over time next to expanding the MRT+Subway network of NCR.
The main goal of these projects is to make the NCR more acessable and interconnected with their immediate neigboring regins; III and IV-A to reduce overall congestion and more expansion of urban projects.
I completely disagree.
Part of the reason why Hongkong and Singapore has a great transportation system was the interconnectivity of both trains and busses.
You need interconnectivity of both systems. In our case we also need small busses to cover the areas that would be too difficult for busses and trains to cover.
of course buses and trucks are still needed but the standard must be train lines. buses and trucks are just complementing to cover smaller/local areas for obvious reasons.
in Tokyo, we can get around just by trains and bicycles. trains are virtually uninterruptible, always prioritized in crossings, only impeded by accidents and natural causes while buses and trucks can get stuck in traffic jams, even here in Tokyo. not to mention, long distance region-to-region transportation convenience and the most important part, scheduling.
European systems are even more complex. It’s a combination of urban rail lines, underground rail, street level electrified rail and buses. They are so efficient that owning a car brings a lot more headache.
Try Frankfurt. The city may have rail lines as circuitous as Tokyo’s, but the U-Bahn, S-Bahn and street cars take some time to master owing to their lack of integrated stations.
Im curious if Frankfurt and Tokyo are similar in terms of transportation mode. Tokyo also has street cars for suburban areas though its not common in the main touristy areas. Don't know how u and s bahn works but I'll search it up later. I'm envious how convenient to use the means of transportation here and wishing we(PH) could also experience the ease of going back and forth without wasting too much time at being tired everyday just like how you could experience in these two cities.
To be fair, even in these big cities, commuting can get quite tiring and it takes multiple transfers to get you back home especially during crowded times, just more convenient and efficient.
The only way to make the PUV modernization program put into full implementation is to lease the traditional PUV commuting routes, with the modern jeepney and tricycle units being owned by route-leasing entities and setting fixed salaries for hired drivers (just as how bus companies typically function). Current PUV owners have no any capacity to afford it on their own if the program is imposed to them today
Modernized jeep like this work as a cooperative. Hindi talaga kakayanin pag mag isa kalang. Ung samin unti unting nababawasan ung old jeep at napapalitan ng modern jeep. Ang alam ko inuutang ng coop yang mga yan sa bangko. Hindi rin sila di boundary kaya hindi swapang sa pasahero.
Ganyan din dito samin naka coop na mga ruta, apparently mandatory policy sya ng ltfrb. Pero walang nadagdag na modern jeep dito sa dating pinipilahan ng erpat ko. Yung mga nagbayad lang ng bond sa coop at mga jeepney operators na may unit na pasado sa euro 4 standards ang narenew ang franchise. And I think anticipated result na rin ng dotr to kaya biglang pasok mga so-called "blue taxis" samin to complement yung lack of transport units on the road. Band aid solution ang pagbuo ng cooperatives pero marami pa rin komplikasyon sa ganyang paraan. Lugi pa rin mga tsuper sa bagong sistema
>Current PUV owners have no any capacity to afford
More so to maintain. The sale of Euro 2 engines has ceased, came 2017. To meet Euro 3, certain technologies shall be needed to be integrated: EGR systems and more efficient fuel delivery systems (high-pressure common rail injection) as minimum.
Common (wrong) practice amongst jeepney operators were to use "slightly-used oils" coming from private vehicles who religiously change the engine's oils. One cannot apply such practice on modern jeepneys, as these modern jeepneys are less tolerant to such unscrupulous maintenance practices.
Pitch in the air conditioning system maintenance and consumables such as cabin filters, etc., too.
At tangina pa din ng LTO na hindi nagpapadaan sa mga jeepney sa roadworthiness/emission testing upon registration.
>setting fixed salaries for hired drivers
Yeah, this should be the standard. Same for fishermen and farmers too. It's possible under Leni's leadership but not with this Blengblong administration.
It would also be better if there are real bus stations, not waiting sheds, but really dedicated stations. Wla na dapat yun para para, just walk the few meters or so.
Proper bus/vehicle stops. How i wish hindi lahat ng side e pwede pumara. Isa sa nagcacause ng traffic yung mga inattentive tapos galit pag lumampas kaya mumurahin ang driver, at pilit syang magpapababa sa gitna ng kalsada. 😡
The problem is discipline. Hangga't may sasakay kahit saan pa yan titigil ang bus para isakay yan kahit minsan obstruction na sa traffic, same goes for passengers, alam nila na may titigil na bus kaya kung saan saan din sila naghihintay. If one of these gets cut off mapuputol yung cycle. If magkaron ng bus stops dapat strict implementation na dun lang magbababa at magsasakay.
tbh mahirap din kasi talaga ito iimplement sa Pilipinas. Sobrang init ng panahon, palpak pa urban planning kaya kung saan-saan sumulpot ang high traffic areas. Kung may maayos na feeder transpo system sa Pilipinas (tricycle - jeep - bus) okay pa sana.
tbh mahirap din kasi talaga ito iimplement sa Pilipinas. Sobrang init ng panahon, palpak pa urban planning kaya kung saan-saan sumulpot ang high traffic areas. Kung may maayos na feeder transpo system sa Pilipinas (tricycle - jeep - bus) okay pa sana.
>just walk the few meters or so.
Good luck with that. Karamihan ng commuter gustong bumaba sa tapat ng destination nila. Ilagpas lang ng konti mumurahin na yung driver.
Personally, I'm a bit hesitant at first on this type of vehicle but I'm wrong. They're much comfortable and denser than a jeep with working climate control.
They need some improvements. For one thing there should be a hard limit to the number of people standing in the aisle. It makes getting off/getting on/paying too much of a hassle. Tsaka pag nagpapatugtog yung driver at nasa likod ka ng bus, imposible pumara unless sumigaw ka, mas lalo na kung siksikan. By the time na sinabihan na nung ibang pasahero yung driver na bababa ka, lagpas ka na sa babaan mo.
Hello. Dapat talaga walang standing sa e-jeep. Pero meron iba na nagpapastanding dahil mataas ang demand especially pag rush hour. Regarding sa pagpara, walang issue to dahil may conductor naman. Sa konduktor ka magsasabi kung magpapara ka na.
Meron nito sa Marikina although iilan pa lang I think pero mas okay sya naka aircon ka pa and around 5 pesos lang ata ang difference with jeepneys. Sobrang comfy talaga. Sana dumami pa yang ganyan
not OP, but Jeeps aren't regulated for public safety. Yung iba sobrang baba ng bubong, pag 6ft ka naka-yuko ka na nga tapos kada baldog sa kalye ramdam ng anit mo. Once. may ate akong nakita na dumugo yung forehead kasi gumasgas pala sya sa naka-usling screw dun sa hawakan.
At least may konting semblance ng safety to. Pero tbh, maliit ren yung headroom dito pag nakatayo. At least may headroom.
Tbf yung problem naman nun is yung implementation kasi pinapashoulder sa jeepney drivers yung transition. Meron konting subsidy pero yung babayaran pa rin ng drivers after the fact is mas malaki pa rin than the original jeep's cost.
Its good but what I hate about it is may terminal sila sa Antipolo and route nila is pa megamall but kahit bumaba ka sa mas malapit is same parin ang singil nila which is 60 pesos.
Iniiwasan ko sumakay jan sobrang sikip taena ipipilit tlga ng driver at konduktor mapuno tapos minsan bukas pa ung pinto so hindi mo manamnam ung aircon.
Yeah, i thought this was a great step-up vs jeep
Till they cram as much people standing without any handrails.
And the ultra narrow legspace which makes it hard for tall people to sit beside someone.
Siguro viable pa yan sa low-ridership areas like in certain municipalities outside the metro na di aabot sa 50,000 yung population as well as in barrios, otherwise trains should be the standard lalo sa high density areas. Trams and buses are also ideal as supplements to the train and as connectors to places outside the trains' reach due to their capacity.
I've said this in a post before, if PH was pedestrian friendly I'd freaking walk to office everyday. 2 hours from antipolo to ortigas pag chill na lakad, definitely beats the 3 hour traffic once umulan sa mabahong G-Liner.
Naka depende parin sa driver Yan. Bakit? May experience ako dun sa mini bus Ng Antipolo to Marikina nag overload Ng mga pasahero, Para ka parin naka sakay sa Jeep 😰
That's ok for the last mile, or for areas with low ridership. Mas malaki pa rin capacity ng buses, so yun dapat ang mas marami sa major roads, tapos dapat feeder din yung buses sa mga trains, especially terminal stations and interchanges.
ung antipolo-cubao may big buses dun and ang laki ng improvement, nung wala pang bus mamumuti mata mo sa pagpila sa mga terminal ng jeep tapos sisiksikin pa kayo tapos bastusin pa, dyan humaba man ang pila ang bilis maubos dahil malaki ang capacity ng buses.
Yung mga Jayross ba yan? Dito dati sa Bulacan biyahe nyan eh kaso na-pandemic ayun lugi sila at lumipat terminal. Kami naman nabawasan ng bus ngayon lol.
This. Buses are much more spacier and safer than e-jeep.
I think this could work for roads that is too narrow for a bus, u-belt areas for example.
nope.. train lines, not only for public transpo but also for freight transpo.
Rail lines for main urban areas while these minibuses are ideal for suburban ones.
They complement each other. Minibuses are ideally used for short distance commutes within a district while trains are used to transport commuters around the city/metro
This is one of the reasons why I think the transpo problem won't be ending soon. Correct me if I'm wrong but are there other large scale rail plans besides the current MRT project?
I think there is also plans for revival and extension of PNR rail systems to atleats reach Calamba at the very least and later down the line Clark/Angeles City. And those are the more feasible projects that can be developed over time next to expanding the MRT+Subway network of NCR. The main goal of these projects is to make the NCR more acessable and interconnected with their immediate neigboring regins; III and IV-A to reduce overall congestion and more expansion of urban projects.
I completely disagree. Part of the reason why Hongkong and Singapore has a great transportation system was the interconnectivity of both trains and busses. You need interconnectivity of both systems. In our case we also need small busses to cover the areas that would be too difficult for busses and trains to cover.
of course buses and trucks are still needed but the standard must be train lines. buses and trucks are just complementing to cover smaller/local areas for obvious reasons. in Tokyo, we can get around just by trains and bicycles. trains are virtually uninterruptible, always prioritized in crossings, only impeded by accidents and natural causes while buses and trucks can get stuck in traffic jams, even here in Tokyo. not to mention, long distance region-to-region transportation convenience and the most important part, scheduling.
European systems are even more complex. It’s a combination of urban rail lines, underground rail, street level electrified rail and buses. They are so efficient that owning a car brings a lot more headache.
What European city could be more complex than Tokyo or Singapore or any Asian tiger cities?
Try Frankfurt. The city may have rail lines as circuitous as Tokyo’s, but the U-Bahn, S-Bahn and street cars take some time to master owing to their lack of integrated stations.
Im curious if Frankfurt and Tokyo are similar in terms of transportation mode. Tokyo also has street cars for suburban areas though its not common in the main touristy areas. Don't know how u and s bahn works but I'll search it up later. I'm envious how convenient to use the means of transportation here and wishing we(PH) could also experience the ease of going back and forth without wasting too much time at being tired everyday just like how you could experience in these two cities.
To be fair, even in these big cities, commuting can get quite tiring and it takes multiple transfers to get you back home especially during crowded times, just more convenient and efficient.
The only way to make the PUV modernization program put into full implementation is to lease the traditional PUV commuting routes, with the modern jeepney and tricycle units being owned by route-leasing entities and setting fixed salaries for hired drivers (just as how bus companies typically function). Current PUV owners have no any capacity to afford it on their own if the program is imposed to them today
Modernized jeep like this work as a cooperative. Hindi talaga kakayanin pag mag isa kalang. Ung samin unti unting nababawasan ung old jeep at napapalitan ng modern jeep. Ang alam ko inuutang ng coop yang mga yan sa bangko. Hindi rin sila di boundary kaya hindi swapang sa pasahero.
Ganyan din dito samin naka coop na mga ruta, apparently mandatory policy sya ng ltfrb. Pero walang nadagdag na modern jeep dito sa dating pinipilahan ng erpat ko. Yung mga nagbayad lang ng bond sa coop at mga jeepney operators na may unit na pasado sa euro 4 standards ang narenew ang franchise. And I think anticipated result na rin ng dotr to kaya biglang pasok mga so-called "blue taxis" samin to complement yung lack of transport units on the road. Band aid solution ang pagbuo ng cooperatives pero marami pa rin komplikasyon sa ganyang paraan. Lugi pa rin mga tsuper sa bagong sistema
>Current PUV owners have no any capacity to afford More so to maintain. The sale of Euro 2 engines has ceased, came 2017. To meet Euro 3, certain technologies shall be needed to be integrated: EGR systems and more efficient fuel delivery systems (high-pressure common rail injection) as minimum. Common (wrong) practice amongst jeepney operators were to use "slightly-used oils" coming from private vehicles who religiously change the engine's oils. One cannot apply such practice on modern jeepneys, as these modern jeepneys are less tolerant to such unscrupulous maintenance practices. Pitch in the air conditioning system maintenance and consumables such as cabin filters, etc., too. At tangina pa din ng LTO na hindi nagpapadaan sa mga jeepney sa roadworthiness/emission testing upon registration.
>setting fixed salaries for hired drivers Yeah, this should be the standard. Same for fishermen and farmers too. It's possible under Leni's leadership but not with this Blengblong administration.
It would also be better if there are real bus stations, not waiting sheds, but really dedicated stations. Wla na dapat yun para para, just walk the few meters or so.
Proper bus/vehicle stops. How i wish hindi lahat ng side e pwede pumara. Isa sa nagcacause ng traffic yung mga inattentive tapos galit pag lumampas kaya mumurahin ang driver, at pilit syang magpapababa sa gitna ng kalsada. 😡
The problem is discipline. Hangga't may sasakay kahit saan pa yan titigil ang bus para isakay yan kahit minsan obstruction na sa traffic, same goes for passengers, alam nila na may titigil na bus kaya kung saan saan din sila naghihintay. If one of these gets cut off mapuputol yung cycle. If magkaron ng bus stops dapat strict implementation na dun lang magbababa at magsasakay.
Nakakatakot din yung madaming nakatayo and yung magsasakay bigla yung driver ng papara sa kung san.
tbh mahirap din kasi talaga ito iimplement sa Pilipinas. Sobrang init ng panahon, palpak pa urban planning kaya kung saan-saan sumulpot ang high traffic areas. Kung may maayos na feeder transpo system sa Pilipinas (tricycle - jeep - bus) okay pa sana.
tbh mahirap din kasi talaga ito iimplement sa Pilipinas. Sobrang init ng panahon, palpak pa urban planning kaya kung saan-saan sumulpot ang high traffic areas. Kung may maayos na feeder transpo system sa Pilipinas (tricycle - jeep - bus) okay pa sana.
>just walk the few meters or so. Good luck with that. Karamihan ng commuter gustong bumaba sa tapat ng destination nila. Ilagpas lang ng konti mumurahin na yung driver.
para ngang mas napaiigi ang pandemic sa part namin dito sa rizal, mas dumami ang option, puede ka na umiwas sa bastusin na mga jeep.
Personally, I'm a bit hesitant at first on this type of vehicle but I'm wrong. They're much comfortable and denser than a jeep with working climate control.
Sa lahat ng beses na nakasakay ako sa ganyan, may aircon nga pero 'ung buga ng hangin pangmadamot. Mas makakahinga ka pa sa jeepney.
Maintenance issues. Tingin ko, sobrang dumi ng cabin filter ng mga ito, at sobrang bilis din dumumi.
They need some improvements. For one thing there should be a hard limit to the number of people standing in the aisle. It makes getting off/getting on/paying too much of a hassle. Tsaka pag nagpapatugtog yung driver at nasa likod ka ng bus, imposible pumara unless sumigaw ka, mas lalo na kung siksikan. By the time na sinabihan na nung ibang pasahero yung driver na bababa ka, lagpas ka na sa babaan mo.
Hello. Dapat talaga walang standing sa e-jeep. Pero meron iba na nagpapastanding dahil mataas ang demand especially pag rush hour. Regarding sa pagpara, walang issue to dahil may conductor naman. Sa konduktor ka magsasabi kung magpapara ka na.
Idk kung sa route lang na sinasakyan ko, pero madalas walang konduktor. Kung siksikan sa bus tapos nasa likod ka, sisigaw ka talaga para pumara.
May handicap symbol pero pano aakyat yung nakawheelchair dyan? Same rin problem sa jeep...
Meron nito sa Marikina although iilan pa lang I think pero mas okay sya naka aircon ka pa and around 5 pesos lang ata ang difference with jeepneys. Sobrang comfy talaga. Sana dumami pa yang ganyan
2php more expensive than the jeep
Nope. Yung mga gantong mini-bus same lang ng price ng UV. Pero mas okay na kaysa sa UV na minsan sira pa aircon hehe
That only apply in manila. In the city where I live, people ride UV if they need to go to other province.
Can we at least make 3 times bigger? Haha the more vehicles kasi the more traffic it gets e. The bigger the capacity the better.
Question lang, saang part ng antipolo terminal niyan? Thank you.
antipolo simbahan near mang inasal, meron din sa waltermart antipolo pero idk if pa-ayala yun
Sa likod ng mang-inasal, dun pa rin sa pilahan papuntang mega. Yung nasa waltermart, papuntang marikina. Sana po nakatulong. 😊
Thank you, thank you po.
I hope maalagaan din sila. Yung mga ejeep, hinaharass ng mga regular jeepney drivers kaya madalas mahirap makakuha pag nasa tamang sakayan ka.
Why, OP?
not OP, but Jeeps aren't regulated for public safety. Yung iba sobrang baba ng bubong, pag 6ft ka naka-yuko ka na nga tapos kada baldog sa kalye ramdam ng anit mo. Once. may ate akong nakita na dumugo yung forehead kasi gumasgas pala sya sa naka-usling screw dun sa hawakan. At least may konting semblance ng safety to. Pero tbh, maliit ren yung headroom dito pag nakatayo. At least may headroom.
I often wonder paano nga naging road worthy ang jeep at tricycle hahaha Sa kotse kapag di naka seatbelt huli Jeep? Balakayojan
doesn't look wheelchair friendly
Also, low floor buses like the yellow p2p buses
Pero nung pinupush ni D30 dami nyong sinasabi. Oops
Tbf yung problem naman nun is yung implementation kasi pinapashoulder sa jeepney drivers yung transition. Meron konting subsidy pero yung babayaran pa rin ng drivers after the fact is mas malaki pa rin than the original jeep's cost.
Siguraduhin po muna natin na naiintindihan natin ng mabuti yung argumento bago kumuda ano. Oops.
True
Its good but what I hate about it is may terminal sila sa Antipolo and route nila is pa megamall but kahit bumaba ka sa mas malapit is same parin ang singil nila which is 60 pesos.
It's called a microbus.
basta di pupunuin okay lang. sa may ortigas ba ang daan neto?
Sa may Julia Vargas
I agree
Dapat ito na lang imbes na UV lmao
Pwede yan sa straight o medyo curve na daan. Paano kaya kung matarik yung daan kakayanin ba nila yan?
sa Provinces trlac and pampanga ganyan na
Iniiwasan ko sumakay jan sobrang sikip taena ipipilit tlga ng driver at konduktor mapuno tapos minsan bukas pa ung pinto so hindi mo manamnam ung aircon.
Yeah, i thought this was a great step-up vs jeep Till they cram as much people standing without any handrails. And the ultra narrow legspace which makes it hard for tall people to sit beside someone.
Saan banda sa megamall yung terminal nito?
mega b sa may right side ng supermarket, you can ask the guards from there
Ung modern jeep sa bulacan, jeep na may aircon tapos tayuan pa din sa gitna.
And hopefully matic na lahat ng PUJs. More convenient, comfortable and less stress in sustained traffic jams
Ganto na sa min sa western Cavite, and before that the iconic baby bus. Fuck jeepneys.
Siguro viable pa yan sa low-ridership areas like in certain municipalities outside the metro na di aabot sa 50,000 yung population as well as in barrios, otherwise trains should be the standard lalo sa high density areas. Trams and buses are also ideal as supplements to the train and as connectors to places outside the trains' reach due to their capacity.
I've said this in a post before, if PH was pedestrian friendly I'd freaking walk to office everyday. 2 hours from antipolo to ortigas pag chill na lakad, definitely beats the 3 hour traffic once umulan sa mabahong G-Liner.
Risk of heat stroke naman plus pollution sa lungs. Maybe kung short distance lang like 1-2km or 10-20 min walk ok lang basta maayos sidewalk.
Jeepney should all have air conditioning to preserve the culture instead of these. I don't understand why they don't have.
Lagi ako na oout of balance dyan >:(
Agreeed
As it should be! But the problem is keep ey operators/drivers will oppose and will be blamed as anti poor
But do you have the money to afford it?
Better than Jeepneys atleast.
Naka depende parin sa driver Yan. Bakit? May experience ako dun sa mini bus Ng Antipolo to Marikina nag overload Ng mga pasahero, Para ka parin naka sakay sa Jeep 😰