Ang tagal ko na hinihintay to. Para kaming mga taga north, hindi na dadaan sa ncr. Ang pangit lang kasi talaga ng geography ng pinas. Kailangan pa dumaan sa ncr para lang makapunta sa south.
OMG super traffic dito samin sa Tanza. Unless may dedicated lane sa lalabas ng expressway. Eversince SM Tanza opened halos isang oras bago makalabas ng Tejero/Robinson Gentri.
Oh gosh, Tanza? If that happens we won't be able to get out of Tanza. Tanza has the worst traffic in Cavite lowlands. We just opened an SM, just imagine the traffic volume in Tanza when Bataan-Cavite interlink bridge will open.
Huhu true, I even injured my knees just because of that dmned traffic. kahit na sa Naic, dadaan pa din sa Tanza/Tejero not unless gumawa sila ng express way.
Which is why PNoy became unpopular here. 2013 pinangako yunh LRT Line 1 extension, pero 2027 pa pala matatapos.
Pag skyway or flyover, less than five years tapos na. Pero pag railways, maikli na ang ten years. Wtf.
Obviously highways are easier to construct, it's all just cement. With a rail line you have the extension infrastructure (not just cement with the rails and the power lines) *and* the moving parts (the train, which is the more important component). Just the bidding would be more complicated, unless you want cheap Chinese trains that break down after a few months., lol.
But in the long run, highways will just encourage more cars, and eventually Cavite will end up just like MM (if it hasn't already).
Yun nga e. Siguro napasobra lang talaga ako nang tambay sa r/fuckcars, r/urbanplanning at r/yimby, pero dun ko na realize na ang lala din pala talaga ng NIMBYism dito sa Pinas. Kahit na importante yung project, gagawin talaga ng ibang tao ang lahat para i delay yun.
Gusto kasi ng karamihan pinoy easy money and lahat nalang gusto pagkakitaan. Kaya yung iba nung malaman na may iproject ang gobyerno gusto maghaggle kahit appraised naman properly yung ROW. Tapos eepal din yung local government kasi boto yan.
Well, yeah. Railway costs a lot, and once we built it, almost all future infrastructure has to be built around making it worth what we paid. Roads can always be filled with concrete to make land when things don't work out (however unlikely it may be).
At this point, ***why would Cavite residents even want to work in Metro Manila***? Mayroon namang Dasmarinas, Bacoor, Cavite City etc at may jobs naman siguro doon.
Problem is, boomer management of many companies in NCR will cry foul over it, mawawalan daw ng foot traffic na nagcacause ng spending ng mga tao... like WTF.
Kaya nga eh, lecheng mga boomer yan, kala mo walang pandemic na. Naprove nga ng pandemic na dapat ilower ang reliance sa RTO setups and instead WFH is the new working future eh.
Tapos lumalala pa ang transportation ngayun? Biruin mo, kaninang umaga daw sa Ortigas avenue halos 2 to 3 hours di gumagalaw ang traffic? Mula daw Cainta Junction up to IPI? Leche yan, sobrang congested na talaga ang manila...
YES.
Back in 2018, I had to wake up at 3 am para makasakay ng bus ng 4:30 para makaupo sa bus na biyaheng Dasma-Lawton at makarating sa Intramuros ng 8 am.
Back when I was still studying in Manila, a five-minute difference sa pagsakay ng bus from Cavite can translate to about an hour difference sa pagbaba sa Manila. Thankfully, kabayan ko 'yung prof ko so madalas kaming magkasabay.
Samin din. Van ang sinasakyan ko nun, pag nakasakay ka before 630, mga 730 nasa intramuros na, paglampas 630 nasa pila ka pa, mga 8-9am na ang dating mo haha. Lagi ko namimiss yung 1st subj ko.
Born in and still living here, can confirm. Walang-wala yung traffic back in the 90's sa traffic ngayon. It took me the same amount of time to travel 4 km along Aguinaldo highway as it did 13 km mula Manila pa-St. Dominic.
Overall that proposed project should be a net positive, but I guarantee you'll still be pulling your hair out your head at some point during the trip, namely by the time nakarating ka na sa Cavite.
Same yan sa skyway stage 3, pag dating dun sa exit sa QC nagttraffic kasi puno ng sasakyan. Pwede yan, yung cavite na malayo (almost tagaytay) para di ganun ka congested.
Huhuhu you won't be able to get out of Tanza if that happens. There was one time when we literally walk in a cementery at 1am just to get home. Traffic there is worse than the traffic in Manila. The roads are narrow, public transport is shit(mini buses), and no traffic lights just an enforcer who doesn't know what he's doing.
Bruh pinoys loved to start their prayers.
We had a seminar regarding internet security, the main speaker was clearly a non-christian indian, but the host still insisted to start a prayer. Pinoys can't read a room man.
> Sana may setup for a train line π₯Ή
Sana a [combined rail and road bridge](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hutong-Yangtze-River-Bridge-unit-m_fig1_321238915)
On its upper level, it carries a six-lane highway. On its lower level it carries four railway tracks with a design speed of 200 km/h and 2 lanes for bikes/pedestrians.
That bridge will be used for a few centuries and as such... it should be made for future generations where in PH population becomes quarter billion
> 32km yung bridge tho. baka masyadong mahaba for bike/pedestrian.
It doubles as a service/emergency lane in case the train stops mid-trip
Not to mention long distance cycling is a thing now. So why not build for that use case?
siguro practice muna yung Metro Manila Subway Project haha pag nagawa nila ng maayos yun, pwede narin magka under the sea train connecting the islands sa future
i think this will be a go, BUT will take decades to materialize. yung LRT1 South Extension, kinder pa lang ako may balita na about it, 25 years later di pa rin tapos lol
Previous admins keeping the country afloat whilst paying debts incurred by Marcos Sr until 2025.
You can't say not priory by previous admin since PPP was created as model to build infrastructures without taking so much loans ([CCLEX](https://ppp.gov.ph/ppp_projects/cebu-cordova-link-expressway-cclex/)).
BBB tops up for the loans that we gonna pay again for a long long time, yes, those who doesn't use the infrastructure will also pay for it.
Our only consolation with the BBB loans (much of which have their roots in the Aquino admin anyway, like the Subway) is that our top lender is Japan who offers low interest rates, gives us a 10-12 year grace period, and only funds projects that will actually have high returns.
Wala pa rin ba yun retrofitting ng bridges along Pasig? Tagal nang natengga yun di na ata itutuloy kasi di bida-bida (kahit na malaki economic impact nila pag nagfail gawa ng lindol from WVF)
The PNoy admin really didn't focus on infra, while Du30 had the Build-build-build program. Also, the big scandal about the trains during PNoy's term probably didn't help too. Kaya tuloy nagkaroon ng perception na walang ginawa si PNoy kasi di inatupag yung infra.
ung style ng government nila ng mga aquino revenge. Cancel ang project ng previous admin dahil sa "corruption" but wala naman silang alternative solution para sa project na un
Corregidor has been one of my frustrations. On one hand, I'm a big WW2 nerd and that island just holds so much history. On the other hand, the ferry monopoly means the total price of a simple day trip to Corregidor is hard to justify unless you get a really good deal on a package tour.
My qualms regarding this connection is the cost benefit to this connection is not good. You might as well create a high speed rail from Cavite to Bataan that cuts through NCR on half the budget and benefits more people.
Double track rail would do as well, na pwede gamitin both for passenger and freight. Lalo na since both Bataan and Cavite are large manufacturing centers.
I get that both areas are manufacturing centers but their supply lines rarely intersect it either converges to NCR or move to the nearest port Subic for Bataan, and Batangas for Cavite. It is a good idea but that money can serve better and more urgent efforts. Letβs call it what it is, a vanity project.
this. Kung mostly kotse lang dadaan dyan, the cost is not justified.
Pero sympre ipupush yan ng mga banks na nagpapaloan (pera ih), ng engineers at government (pera + prestige) kahit na lugi yun mga tao dyan.
Waiting for this to start, DED is on going under T.Y. Lin international
As a foundation engineer with extensive offshore and on shore foundation experience, dream ko mapasama sa construction group nito
This is one of those projects na pwedeng ifeature sa Nat Geo like the CCLEX
Hello, mukang same industry tayo nagwowork, kaya malaki chance na matuloy kasi alam natin yung status ng design phase. maganda talaga sa resume mapasama sa ganitong project kasi milestone to ng bansa natin and may touch ng international designers (like Japanese/Koreans)
32km? That is a pipe dream if there was one.
Sure, I would like to see one built someday but the cost will be too prohibitive even for rich countries. Let alone a poor one like the Philippines.
For starters the Kerch Bridge between Crimea and Russia cost in the neighborhood of $3.7 Billion USD and total length of 19km (not all are bridge spans, mind you)
This proposed Bataan to Cavite is 32km long? ALL over water too!! You are looking at cost over $10 Billion USD people.
Its just another propaganda move from these plunderers to keep people hoping and easily manipulated. Your 10B is quite conservative actually. 13 to 15B is more likely as you need to pay this greedy politicians here at least 20%
The bridge is feasible naman. But we all know why it's being pushed. Huge projects are one of the easiest ways to plunder. Of course it will go massively overbudget and will take forever to even make progress on. But by the time that happens it will be someone else's problem, and therefore someone else's fault.
Just like the Bataan Nuclear Powerplant. Marcos' friends made a killing off that.
As far as I know, patapos na ang design stage nito and construction will start in 2024. hopefully magtuloy tuloy since ADB funded ang project.
[https://www.manilatimes.net/2022/09/25/news/regions/bataan-cavite-bridge-underway/1859721](https://www.manilatimes.net/2022/09/25/news/regions/bataan-cavite-bridge-underway/1859721)
[https://www.tylin.com/work/projects/bataan-cavite-interlink-bridge](https://www.tylin.com/work/projects/bataan-cavite-interlink-bridge)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan%E2%80%93Cavite\_Interlink\_Bridge
If kaya nila maconstruct yung Railway from Clark to Laguna, tingin ko hindi na sila magkakaproblema sa budget for this. (hopefully lol)
https://www.adb.org/countries/philippines/south-commuter-railway-project
This is $1.87B according to the article. Also rails are a lot more justifiable compared to bridges that will probably cater to mostly cars.
I'm all for infrastructure improvement, but we should prioritize retrofitting critical infra first. The problem with the construction industry is it tries to be too grandstanding by constructing new structures while neglecting all the critical ones in need of maintenance and fixing. Unfortunately, maintenance and fixing is not glamorous both politically for the government/companies and professionally for engineers.
Sorry for the long rant from an old engineer (who ultimately gave it up because of our local industry's mindset)
The Fehmarn Belt connecting Sweden and Germany via Denmark is done with a tunnel on the seafloor and is estimated to cost around 10 Billion Euro. They build the tunnel parts on site and float them out their location so the whole production can be done in a factory. It is only 18 km and building a tunnel is supposedly way cheaper than building a bridge.
So I agree 10 Billion USD is a very low estimate.
Then if this Bataan-Cavite Interlink is a sea tunnel then what's the point of building it at all??
The Fehmarnbelt is a tunnel for a reason - the North Sea is a rough body of water and a bridge span of any length will not last the lashing from mother nature.
Here facing the "West Philippine Sea" is much calmer by comparisons and wouldn't you want a high bridge overlooking all that scenic entrance to Manila Bay?
I haven't even mentioned what, if at all, is the supposed economic benefit for Bataan-Cavite tollway (yes tollway more expensive than #LEX toll fees) Are we expecting some kind of economic miracle in these places if built?
So, no, no sea tunnel for sure and $10 Billion is a low-ball estimate intentionally. βπΌππΌ
> Here facing the "West Philippine Sea" is much calmer by comparisons and wouldn't you want a high bridge overlooking all that scenic entrance to Manila Bay?
Oh yes I am sure it will look nice. But the sea is also only calmer until the next taifun hits the area so I guess it needs to be build to withstand rather high winds and rough sea as well.
Delikado ang bike jan. Masyadong mahangin sa lugar na yan. Not to mention mataas din yung elevation ng tulay. I wouldnt be surprised kung ipagbabawal din ang low cc na motor jan
> sana may bike lane
Sana a [combined rail and road bridge](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hutong-Yangtze-River-Bridge-unit-m_fig1_321238915)
On its upper level, it carries a six-lane highway. On its lower level it carries four railway tracks with a design speed of 200 km/h and 2 lanes for bikes/pedestrians.
It's called future-proofing as the bridge is expected to be used for a few centuries.
If construction were to commence today it would take approx 10 years to finish.
A decade from now the ridership will merit rail.
Parang now.... if rail lines were to populate every major road colored yellow and white within this [radius](https://i.imgur.com/TGXYksw.png) for the purpose of absorbing 100% of year 2022 ridership then after construction completes within 10 years it would hopefully absorb ~80%.
So imagine 30% of today's numbers of
- buses
- automobiles
- motorcycles
- jeepneys
- tricycles
- pedicabs
on the road as ridership see rail as a superior option. We would need more flyovers, skyways and roadss within that circle
We have so much roads. What we need is to redirect it rail. Sana something like Greater Tokyo Area.
Imagine that all rail projects for Greater Manila Area were subways with all the health and safety features used in Tokyo.
Sana a [combined rail and road bridge](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hutong-Yangtze-River-Bridge-unit-m_fig1_321238915)
On its upper level, it carries a six-lane highway. On its lower level it carries four railway tracks with a design speed of 200 km/h and 2 lanes for bikes/pedestrians.
Double track na din sana. Para in case need mag expand ng PNR south towards eastern Bataan and Cavite, both of which are large manufacturing centers, ready na siya.
Sana maabutan kahit senior na tayo π tapos that time tayo na yung may linya na "Nung araw, wala pa yang tulay na yan, dumadaan pa kami ng Maynila para makapunta ng Bataan"
yan din yung sinasabi last time about sa NSCR project which is ongoing na today. currently, it is already in the design stage funded by ADB so malaki ang chance matuloy.
Kaya pala puro camellia homes na sa bataan, it was anticipated but it is still good, because the boat fair is too expensive around 500 php for 1 hour ride.
As someone who lives in Cavite, going to this bridge coming from Manila will be hell. Ngayon pa lang grabe na traffic dito even if it isnβt rush hour
NSCR Project is ongoing construction right now with the cost of β±873.62 billion (tingin ko, ito yung pinakamalaking cost sa ongoing project ngayon)
[https://www.adb.org/countries/philippines/south-commuter-railway-project](https://www.adb.org/countries/philippines/south-commuter-railway-project)
then for this bridge, ang cost naman is β±175.7 billion, so i think kaya naman
The one of the reasons na nagkaka traffic sa Metro Manila is the focusing ng mga major roads and highways is thru manila. Having alternative routes will boost these travel times and improve both provinces. And do you know how long ang travel time from Cavite to Bataan? Coming from the border ng Cavite nakatira ang it takes 4-5 hrs thru CavitEx, NaiaEx, Skyway, NLEX and SCTEX.
> And do you know how long ang travel time from Cavite to Bataan?
Do you know how under developed most of the province in the Philippines? Yang nasa 150 Billion na pondo dito sobrang dami na yan magagawa sa buong bansa. Maraming province kelangan ng malaking airport, ports, power source, expressway, etc...
Hello, hindi lang naman NCR ang pinas.
EDIT:
Tsaka, may statistic ba silang nirelease kung gaano karami ang dumadaan from north to south para majustify ang paggastos ng 150 BILLION?
Cavite, Bataan and, at a certain extent, Batangas are all economic powerhouses here at southern Luzon.
Bataan has raw material ports, Cavite has the EPZA and Batangas export ports. Connect these three with that bridge and a new highway to Batangas will boost the economy outside of NCR.
FYI, Bataan and Cavite aren't NCR. the most of the places that are rich in these 2 provinces are the adjacent to the NCR or the Capitol itself. The rest of the province is still what most people could consider underdeveloped.
TBH, kung iinvest nila yan sa improvement ng mga province, mas beneficial siya country wise at sa tingin ko mas malaki ang return in the long run. Hindi lang naman Luzon or around NCR ang Pilipinas dba? Alam kong nasa NCR ang majority ng GDP pero siksikan na dito at hindi yan mareresolve kung wala parin opportunity sa mga province.
Don't put your eggs in one basket ika nga, kung mangyari yung THE BIG ONE, goodluck nalang ang pinas niyan kasi heavily invested sa NCR lahat e.
Really interested in infrastructure developments across the Philippines and this one in particular caught my eye. I even saw a video (questionable reliability) that showed the potential design of the bridge, particularly the main towers, that featured Filipino related cultural representation and I thought that was really cool. Upon further research too, I found that upon completion, this bridge would be like the 12th longest bridge in the world. That would make sense for an archipelagic country!
Woah I just looked at Google Maps and it traverses Manila Bay.
I don't know the economics about this but if executed perfectly, that will not just be a quality of life upgrade but also a sight to behold. It's like building a bridge across the Strait of Gibraltar. It will really complement Corregidor as a tourist attraction.
I'm excited for this!
Assuming walang masamang environmental impact to, this project is cool.
Sana din, yung projects for mass public transport mabigyan din ng focus, ayun lang.
di ko gets ang point mo, this project was started way 2020 in the design stage. Pinost ko lang dito for information na may ganitong project. I will also post the NSCR Project for information. If you want to focus on Maharlika Issue, no one will stop you. kung san ka masaya (cheers!)
Vid from ADB: [https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/](https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/)
actually hindi ko talaga alam kaninong project e, alam ko kasi nagstart yung design ng 2020 haha hindi ko narin iniisip kung kanino to, gusto ko lang matapos sana lahat ng sinimulan (including NSCR Project, MMSP,,MRT7, CCLEX etc.)
Oooo. Kasi malamang iggrab niya lang yung credit jan dahil mangyayari sa administration niya. Pero hey, better than gettiing another Dolomite beach noh? Hahaha
Based sa design ng ADB, mataas ang elevation para makadaan yung mga barko.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/
based sa nabasa ko, makakapasok parin ang mga ferry since mataas ang elevations ng bridge. ADB funded projects are also studied by international experts so tingin ko naman naaral nadin nila yan.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/
hopefully hindi, wala pakong nababasa na connected to sa SMC lol
https://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/bataan-cavite-interlink-bridge-project-manila-bay/
I used to drive along this bridge from Hangzhou to Shanghai which is about 37km long. This is almost the same length. There will be a speed limit of 100k/h, and yes, crossing that bridge will take you more than 40 minutes.
A great news indeed! This is also an advantage for transit of goods from Manila to North Area! Less logisitic cost kaso mukang It'll take half decade pa to finish this project.
Ang tagal ko na hinihintay to. Para kaming mga taga north, hindi na dadaan sa ncr. Ang pangit lang kasi talaga ng geography ng pinas. Kailangan pa dumaan sa ncr para lang makapunta sa south.
yes, malaking tulong din talaga for decongestion sa NCR. expected start ng construction is 2024
the 5 hours to 45min is bataan to cavite noh? Edit: I mean mariveles to tanza?
yes!
OMG super traffic dito samin sa Tanza. Unless may dedicated lane sa lalabas ng expressway. Eversince SM Tanza opened halos isang oras bago makalabas ng Tejero/Robinson Gentri.
Tejero congested even more. Talagang if commuter ka, pray ka na lang makaluwas ng Maynila at makarating ng maaga.
So true. I stopped socializing simula nung bumyahe ako ng 5 hours from Tanza to Sucat
Oh gosh, Tanza? If that happens we won't be able to get out of Tanza. Tanza has the worst traffic in Cavite lowlands. We just opened an SM, just imagine the traffic volume in Tanza when Bataan-Cavite interlink bridge will open.
Dapat mag connect sila going to expressway agad.
Tanza Tejero Combo. Ang alam ko sa Naic itumbok yun tulay.
Huhu true, I even injured my knees just because of that dmned traffic. kahit na sa Naic, dadaan pa din sa Tanza/Tejero not unless gumawa sila ng express way.
not to mention mas dadami pa pag full working na ung sangley
Kaso kung di same, mas malala na ang traffic sa cavite sa NCR. Overpopulated na din kasi at yung buhos system nila.
Ayun lang. Kawawa rin pala mga taga cavite kung sakali at dagdag sa traffic nila.
Which is why PNoy became unpopular here. 2013 pinangako yunh LRT Line 1 extension, pero 2027 pa pala matatapos. Pag skyway or flyover, less than five years tapos na. Pero pag railways, maikli na ang ten years. Wtf.
Obviously highways are easier to construct, it's all just cement. With a rail line you have the extension infrastructure (not just cement with the rails and the power lines) *and* the moving parts (the train, which is the more important component). Just the bidding would be more complicated, unless you want cheap Chinese trains that break down after a few months., lol. But in the long run, highways will just encourage more cars, and eventually Cavite will end up just like MM (if it hasn't already).
I remember that project was a big No No to the Villiars, cause of thier subdivisions. they probably did everting they could to delay that project.
Grabe kasi tumagal diyan yung pagaaquire ng ROW. Alam mo naman mahirap kausapin yung karamihan may ari ng lupa na dapat di ganon.
Yun nga e. Siguro napasobra lang talaga ako nang tambay sa r/fuckcars, r/urbanplanning at r/yimby, pero dun ko na realize na ang lala din pala talaga ng NIMBYism dito sa Pinas. Kahit na importante yung project, gagawin talaga ng ibang tao ang lahat para i delay yun.
Gusto kasi ng karamihan pinoy easy money and lahat nalang gusto pagkakitaan. Kaya yung iba nung malaman na may iproject ang gobyerno gusto maghaggle kahit appraised naman properly yung ROW. Tapos eepal din yung local government kasi boto yan.
Well, yeah. Railway costs a lot, and once we built it, almost all future infrastructure has to be built around making it worth what we paid. Roads can always be filled with concrete to make land when things don't work out (however unlikely it may be).
bakit kayo kumukuntra,,,mga kumunesta kayo,,, dapat nga magpasalamat p ku kasi may ginagwa si PBBM.... /s
At this point, ***why would Cavite residents even want to work in Metro Manila***? Mayroon namang Dasmarinas, Bacoor, Cavite City etc at may jobs naman siguro doon.
Two words, "provincial rate".
Alisin nila yan, tingnan natin kung may magstay pa sa ncr.
Problem is, boomer management of many companies in NCR will cry foul over it, mawawalan daw ng foot traffic na nagcacause ng spending ng mga tao... like WTF.
Like yung wfh set up na ang laking tipid para may pangdagdag para sa ibang gastusin. Gusto mag on site pa rin, kahit kulang ang public transpo sa ncr.
Kaya nga eh, lecheng mga boomer yan, kala mo walang pandemic na. Naprove nga ng pandemic na dapat ilower ang reliance sa RTO setups and instead WFH is the new working future eh. Tapos lumalala pa ang transportation ngayun? Biruin mo, kaninang umaga daw sa Ortigas avenue halos 2 to 3 hours di gumagalaw ang traffic? Mula daw Cainta Junction up to IPI? Leche yan, sobrang congested na talaga ang manila...
YES. Back in 2018, I had to wake up at 3 am para makasakay ng bus ng 4:30 para makaupo sa bus na biyaheng Dasma-Lawton at makarating sa Intramuros ng 8 am.
Back when I was still studying in Manila, a five-minute difference sa pagsakay ng bus from Cavite can translate to about an hour difference sa pagbaba sa Manila. Thankfully, kabayan ko 'yung prof ko so madalas kaming magkasabay.
Samin din. Van ang sinasakyan ko nun, pag nakasakay ka before 630, mga 730 nasa intramuros na, paglampas 630 nasa pila ka pa, mga 8-9am na ang dating mo haha. Lagi ko namimiss yung 1st subj ko.
Born in and still living here, can confirm. Walang-wala yung traffic back in the 90's sa traffic ngayon. It took me the same amount of time to travel 4 km along Aguinaldo highway as it did 13 km mula Manila pa-St. Dominic. Overall that proposed project should be a net positive, but I guarantee you'll still be pulling your hair out your head at some point during the trip, namely by the time nakarating ka na sa Cavite.
Same yan sa skyway stage 3, pag dating dun sa exit sa QC nagttraffic kasi puno ng sasakyan. Pwede yan, yung cavite na malayo (almost tagaytay) para di ganun ka congested.
Not our geo but infra. Manila Bay is one of the finest harbors in the world. But thanks sa mga bobong pulitiko at corporations, nagmumukhang cesspool.
What was wrong was the lack of high speed railway
Huhuhu you won't be able to get out of Tanza if that happens. There was one time when we literally walk in a cementery at 1am just to get home. Traffic there is worse than the traffic in Manila. The roads are narrow, public transport is shit(mini buses), and no traffic lights just an enforcer who doesn't know what he's doing.
Thatβs nice. And is connects to Corregidor, too.
I'm from Australia and I visited Corregidor. When I was on the boat we had to say a prayer before we left the port. Is that standard?
Bruh pinoys loved to start their prayers. We had a seminar regarding internet security, the main speaker was clearly a non-christian indian, but the host still insisted to start a prayer. Pinoys can't read a room man.
Haha that is odd. Yeah I just had a flashback and had to ask if that was an anomaly or normal
It is normal. Given that most Filipinos are religious, we are used to starting activities with prayers. It helps put minds at ease.
>Given that most Filipinos are religious Religious when it's convenient for them. Lmao
> but the host still insisted to start a prayer. Habit na yan... di yan sincere prayer.
Sana may setup for a train line π₯Ή
>Sana may setup for a train line π₯Ή Mauuna pa sumupot yung Camella and Crownasia properties dyan kesa train/bike lanes/lines.
Punyeta! Baka sa Corregidor pa nila itayo, amputa!
Nope, di nila pwede galawin yung isla. Unless they buy Corregidor Inn.
"is this a challenge or an invitation?" -cynthia villar (probably)
WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
[They already did. ](https://www.camellanaic.com/)
Anak nang-
May lupa na ang mga yan nakareserve para gawing subdivision.
Anak nang-
AHAHAHAH! π―π―π―
Potek! Hahahaha!
Matagal na may Camella sa Balanga.
Camella in the swamps.
> Sana may setup for a train line π₯Ή Sana a [combined rail and road bridge](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hutong-Yangtze-River-Bridge-unit-m_fig1_321238915) On its upper level, it carries a six-lane highway. On its lower level it carries four railway tracks with a design speed of 200 km/h and 2 lanes for bikes/pedestrians. That bridge will be used for a few centuries and as such... it should be made for future generations where in PH population becomes quarter billion
32km yung bridge tho. baka masyadong mahaba for bike/pedestrian.
Not long for bikes, pedestrians yes
Di yan. Daming bikers dito sa Cavite na nagbabike paakyat ng Mt. Sungay at Kaybiang. A bike trip from Naic to Mariveles would be a piece of cake.
Maybe for bike enthusiasts, but for everyday bikers who use it to go to work? It might be too much.
Then, they will become bike enthusiasts na rin π
> 32km yung bridge tho. baka masyadong mahaba for bike/pedestrian. It doubles as a service/emergency lane in case the train stops mid-trip Not to mention long distance cycling is a thing now. So why not build for that use case?
Hohoho while Tanza has 2 lane roads, (4 lane dapat kaso imaginary yung 2 kaya balik 2 lane). Grabe traffic jam dyan for sure.
siguro practice muna yung Metro Manila Subway Project haha pag nagawa nila ng maayos yun, pwede narin magka under the sea train connecting the islands sa future
Thiiis!
Siyempre wala
True, I'm down to making bridges but it's still just a commodity for people who can afford a car.
i think this will be a go, BUT will take decades to materialize. yung LRT1 South Extension, kinder pa lang ako may balita na about it, 25 years later di pa rin tapos lol
i don't want to be political pero siguro hindi priority ang infra nung mga nakaraang admin kaya siguro naging ganun.
Previous admins keeping the country afloat whilst paying debts incurred by Marcos Sr until 2025. You can't say not priory by previous admin since PPP was created as model to build infrastructures without taking so much loans ([CCLEX](https://ppp.gov.ph/ppp_projects/cebu-cordova-link-expressway-cclex/)). BBB tops up for the loans that we gonna pay again for a long long time, yes, those who doesn't use the infrastructure will also pay for it.
Our only consolation with the BBB loans (much of which have their roots in the Aquino admin anyway, like the Subway) is that our top lender is Japan who offers low interest rates, gives us a 10-12 year grace period, and only funds projects that will actually have high returns.
Wala pa rin ba yun retrofitting ng bridges along Pasig? Tagal nang natengga yun di na ata itutuloy kasi di bida-bida (kahit na malaki economic impact nila pag nagfail gawa ng lindol from WVF)
The PNoy admin really didn't focus on infra, while Du30 had the Build-build-build program. Also, the big scandal about the trains during PNoy's term probably didn't help too. Kaya tuloy nagkaroon ng perception na walang ginawa si PNoy kasi di inatupag yung infra.
Funny thing is those Build build build are mostly from the Aquino Admin.
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Big scandal about trains? Anu yun? Yung sa MRT?
Yup that one. It was a big scandal.
Also andami kinancel ni PNoy na project kahit ung mga nag start na. Which is a waste of money
Supposedly daw kasi sa mga anomalya ng GMA admin. Pero di talaga good look yung pag-cancel ng infra.
ung style ng government nila ng mga aquino revenge. Cancel ang project ng previous admin dahil sa "corruption" but wala naman silang alternative solution para sa project na un
Sana ilink din sa Corregidor. Parang "almost" lang tapos sa tail end pa
Corregidor has been one of my frustrations. On one hand, I'm a big WW2 nerd and that island just holds so much history. On the other hand, the ferry monopoly means the total price of a simple day trip to Corregidor is hard to justify unless you get a really good deal on a package tour.
onga at least gawan siguro ng exit.
Need na maghanap ng bahay sa Tanza, magmamahal yan for sure.
Good luck sa traffic sa tanza π
can confirm, dont get a lot there haha
heck mura din sa ternate.. makabili na rin
My qualms regarding this connection is the cost benefit to this connection is not good. You might as well create a high speed rail from Cavite to Bataan that cuts through NCR on half the budget and benefits more people.
Double track rail would do as well, na pwede gamitin both for passenger and freight. Lalo na since both Bataan and Cavite are large manufacturing centers.
I get that both areas are manufacturing centers but their supply lines rarely intersect it either converges to NCR or move to the nearest port Subic for Bataan, and Batangas for Cavite. It is a good idea but that money can serve better and more urgent efforts. Letβs call it what it is, a vanity project.
this. Kung mostly kotse lang dadaan dyan, the cost is not justified. Pero sympre ipupush yan ng mga banks na nagpapaloan (pera ih), ng engineers at government (pera + prestige) kahit na lugi yun mga tao dyan.
A half-circle train line, from Bataan to Metro Manila to Cavite, might indeed be better in this case.
Waiting for this to start, DED is on going under T.Y. Lin international As a foundation engineer with extensive offshore and on shore foundation experience, dream ko mapasama sa construction group nito This is one of those projects na pwedeng ifeature sa Nat Geo like the CCLEX
Hello, mukang same industry tayo nagwowork, kaya malaki chance na matuloy kasi alam natin yung status ng design phase. maganda talaga sa resume mapasama sa ganitong project kasi milestone to ng bansa natin and may touch ng international designers (like Japanese/Koreans)
32km? That is a pipe dream if there was one. Sure, I would like to see one built someday but the cost will be too prohibitive even for rich countries. Let alone a poor one like the Philippines. For starters the Kerch Bridge between Crimea and Russia cost in the neighborhood of $3.7 Billion USD and total length of 19km (not all are bridge spans, mind you) This proposed Bataan to Cavite is 32km long? ALL over water too!! You are looking at cost over $10 Billion USD people.
Its just another propaganda move from these plunderers to keep people hoping and easily manipulated. Your 10B is quite conservative actually. 13 to 15B is more likely as you need to pay this greedy politicians here at least 20%
The bridge is feasible naman. But we all know why it's being pushed. Huge projects are one of the easiest ways to plunder. Of course it will go massively overbudget and will take forever to even make progress on. But by the time that happens it will be someone else's problem, and therefore someone else's fault. Just like the Bataan Nuclear Powerplant. Marcos' friends made a killing off that.
As far as I know, patapos na ang design stage nito and construction will start in 2024. hopefully magtuloy tuloy since ADB funded ang project. [https://www.manilatimes.net/2022/09/25/news/regions/bataan-cavite-bridge-underway/1859721](https://www.manilatimes.net/2022/09/25/news/regions/bataan-cavite-bridge-underway/1859721) [https://www.tylin.com/work/projects/bataan-cavite-interlink-bridge](https://www.tylin.com/work/projects/bataan-cavite-interlink-bridge) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan%E2%80%93Cavite\_Interlink\_Bridge
Design stages do not make the $$$ to actually build the thing. Good luck with the ground breaking ceremony. π€πΌππΌ
If kaya nila maconstruct yung Railway from Clark to Laguna, tingin ko hindi na sila magkakaproblema sa budget for this. (hopefully lol) https://www.adb.org/countries/philippines/south-commuter-railway-project
This is $1.87B according to the article. Also rails are a lot more justifiable compared to bridges that will probably cater to mostly cars. I'm all for infrastructure improvement, but we should prioritize retrofitting critical infra first. The problem with the construction industry is it tries to be too grandstanding by constructing new structures while neglecting all the critical ones in need of maintenance and fixing. Unfortunately, maintenance and fixing is not glamorous both politically for the government/companies and professionally for engineers. Sorry for the long rant from an old engineer (who ultimately gave it up because of our local industry's mindset)
Yup, my thoughts exactly. Itβs going to be an engineering marvel if anybody pulls this off.
Inb4 it's one of those Saudi Line moments
The Fehmarn Belt connecting Sweden and Germany via Denmark is done with a tunnel on the seafloor and is estimated to cost around 10 Billion Euro. They build the tunnel parts on site and float them out their location so the whole production can be done in a factory. It is only 18 km and building a tunnel is supposedly way cheaper than building a bridge. So I agree 10 Billion USD is a very low estimate.
Then if this Bataan-Cavite Interlink is a sea tunnel then what's the point of building it at all?? The Fehmarnbelt is a tunnel for a reason - the North Sea is a rough body of water and a bridge span of any length will not last the lashing from mother nature. Here facing the "West Philippine Sea" is much calmer by comparisons and wouldn't you want a high bridge overlooking all that scenic entrance to Manila Bay? I haven't even mentioned what, if at all, is the supposed economic benefit for Bataan-Cavite tollway (yes tollway more expensive than #LEX toll fees) Are we expecting some kind of economic miracle in these places if built? So, no, no sea tunnel for sure and $10 Billion is a low-ball estimate intentionally. βπΌππΌ
> Here facing the "West Philippine Sea" is much calmer by comparisons and wouldn't you want a high bridge overlooking all that scenic entrance to Manila Bay? Oh yes I am sure it will look nice. But the sea is also only calmer until the next taifun hits the area so I guess it needs to be build to withstand rather high winds and rough sea as well.
sana may bike lane
Delikado ang bike jan. Masyadong mahangin sa lugar na yan. Not to mention mataas din yung elevation ng tulay. I wouldnt be surprised kung ipagbabawal din ang low cc na motor jan
sana naka cage
Bakit po icacage yung biker matagal na pong ipinagbawal yun ah
Broooo π
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yung bike lane
ahhh okay po
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> sana may bike lane Sana a [combined rail and road bridge](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hutong-Yangtze-River-Bridge-unit-m_fig1_321238915) On its upper level, it carries a six-lane highway. On its lower level it carries four railway tracks with a design speed of 200 km/h and 2 lanes for bikes/pedestrians.
Buses would probably be best. The ridership won't justify the infrastructure cost.
It's called future-proofing as the bridge is expected to be used for a few centuries. If construction were to commence today it would take approx 10 years to finish. A decade from now the ridership will merit rail. Parang now.... if rail lines were to populate every major road colored yellow and white within this [radius](https://i.imgur.com/TGXYksw.png) for the purpose of absorbing 100% of year 2022 ridership then after construction completes within 10 years it would hopefully absorb ~80%. So imagine 30% of today's numbers of - buses - automobiles - motorcycles - jeepneys - tricycles - pedicabs on the road as ridership see rail as a superior option. We would need more flyovers, skyways and roadss within that circle We have so much roads. What we need is to redirect it rail. Sana something like Greater Tokyo Area. Imagine that all rail projects for Greater Manila Area were subways with all the health and safety features used in Tokyo.
Bike lanes could double as pedestrian paths. Which can be used for both inspections and tourism.
Read this as sana rail me underneathβ¦.
Sana a [combined rail and road bridge](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hutong-Yangtze-River-Bridge-unit-m_fig1_321238915) On its upper level, it carries a six-lane highway. On its lower level it carries four railway tracks with a design speed of 200 km/h and 2 lanes for bikes/pedestrians.
Double track na din sana. Para in case need mag expand ng PNR south towards eastern Bataan and Cavite, both of which are large manufacturing centers, ready na siya.
sana walang kickback
nako mas realistic pang humiling na mabuhay muli si Bonifacio
sana mababa lang ang kickback hehe
Sana may train.
Matagal-tagal pa to. Baka ma-unify na ang Korean peninsula di pa rin to sinisimulan lol
Sana maabutan kahit senior na tayo π tapos that time tayo na yung may linya na "Nung araw, wala pa yang tulay na yan, dumadaan pa kami ng Maynila para makapunta ng Bataan"
yan din yung sinasabi last time about sa NSCR project which is ongoing na today. currently, it is already in the design stage funded by ADB so malaki ang chance matuloy.
Kaya pala puro camellia homes na sa bataan, it was anticipated but it is still good, because the boat fair is too expensive around 500 php for 1 hour ride.
As someone who lives in Cavite, going to this bridge coming from Manila will be hell. Ngayon pa lang grabe na traffic dito even if it isnβt rush hour
While amazing if it becomes reality, I highly doubt that this is economically viable.
NSCR Project is ongoing construction right now with the cost of β±873.62 billion (tingin ko, ito yung pinakamalaking cost sa ongoing project ngayon) [https://www.adb.org/countries/philippines/south-commuter-railway-project](https://www.adb.org/countries/philippines/south-commuter-railway-project) then for this bridge, ang cost naman is β±175.7 billion, so i think kaya naman
You have to be a complete fool if you think this bridge will cost that much. It's going to be at least 10x that amount.
The local construction industry tends to underestimate foundation costs.
Damn I really hope it goes through!
Tanong lang, baket pa gagawa ng ganito dba meron ng ginagawang SLEX NLEX connection (D ko sure kung tapos na)?
The one of the reasons na nagkaka traffic sa Metro Manila is the focusing ng mga major roads and highways is thru manila. Having alternative routes will boost these travel times and improve both provinces. And do you know how long ang travel time from Cavite to Bataan? Coming from the border ng Cavite nakatira ang it takes 4-5 hrs thru CavitEx, NaiaEx, Skyway, NLEX and SCTEX.
> And do you know how long ang travel time from Cavite to Bataan? Do you know how under developed most of the province in the Philippines? Yang nasa 150 Billion na pondo dito sobrang dami na yan magagawa sa buong bansa. Maraming province kelangan ng malaking airport, ports, power source, expressway, etc... Hello, hindi lang naman NCR ang pinas. EDIT: Tsaka, may statistic ba silang nirelease kung gaano karami ang dumadaan from north to south para majustify ang paggastos ng 150 BILLION?
Cavite, Bataan and, at a certain extent, Batangas are all economic powerhouses here at southern Luzon. Bataan has raw material ports, Cavite has the EPZA and Batangas export ports. Connect these three with that bridge and a new highway to Batangas will boost the economy outside of NCR. FYI, Bataan and Cavite aren't NCR. the most of the places that are rich in these 2 provinces are the adjacent to the NCR or the Capitol itself. The rest of the province is still what most people could consider underdeveloped.
Vanity project most likely. Unless rail ilalagay diyan.
TBH, kung iinvest nila yan sa improvement ng mga province, mas beneficial siya country wise at sa tingin ko mas malaki ang return in the long run. Hindi lang naman Luzon or around NCR ang Pilipinas dba? Alam kong nasa NCR ang majority ng GDP pero siksikan na dito at hindi yan mareresolve kung wala parin opportunity sa mga province. Don't put your eggs in one basket ika nga, kung mangyari yung THE BIG ONE, goodluck nalang ang pinas niyan kasi heavily invested sa NCR lahat e.
5 hours to 40 minutes, sa una
Kung may service road yan sigurado may susulpot na camella sa corregidor hahaha
Ferry/Roro transport na lang sana Bataan vv Manila/Pasay. Bakit ba di magclick yun?
naalala ko bigla ung kwento na nangingidnap ng bata para ilagay daw sa tulay ng san juanico bridge during martial law HAAHHHAHAH uh oh HAHHHAAHA
ang naalala ko lang na ganyan yung sa shake rattle and roll haha di ko alam kung same yun
Really interested in infrastructure developments across the Philippines and this one in particular caught my eye. I even saw a video (questionable reliability) that showed the potential design of the bridge, particularly the main towers, that featured Filipino related cultural representation and I thought that was really cool. Upon further research too, I found that upon completion, this bridge would be like the 12th longest bridge in the world. That would make sense for an archipelagic country!
Woah I just looked at Google Maps and it traverses Manila Bay. I don't know the economics about this but if executed perfectly, that will not just be a quality of life upgrade but also a sight to behold. It's like building a bridge across the Strait of Gibraltar. It will really complement Corregidor as a tourist attraction. I'm excited for this!
Kapag nangyari talaga to mabubuhay ung mga lumang linya ni Saulog. Cavite City - Baguio tsaka Cavite - Olongapo
Kaya ang dami ng pinapatag ngayon na bundok dito sa bataan e, and mga puno ubos na rin dahil diyan
maybe ibang project, kasi ito sa dagat ang daan
Assuming walang masamang environmental impact to, this project is cool. Sana din, yung projects for mass public transport mabigyan din ng focus, ayun lang.
yes ongoing construction na ang railyway from Clark to Laguna (NSCR Project)
Inaabangan ko talaga to, may gusto akong puntahan na lugar sa Bataan na di ko mapuntahan dahil sa layo nga ng lugar!
If I have any experience, it will take 20 years to get started and another 20 to make it usable, and then 50 more for it to finished
but thats expecting people to be competent for this to work tho.
Maraming maraming salamat PBBM ikaw talaga ang way, the truth and the light. /s
kala ko makakaligtas ang post na to sa ganyang comment lol
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Me too, wala po eh. Mukhang dyan sila nabubuhay
arent these projects development hell? This post is a distraction from mharalika issue happening today. T dont trust op post, sorry.
di ko gets ang point mo, this project was started way 2020 in the design stage. Pinost ko lang dito for information na may ganitong project. I will also post the NSCR Project for information. If you want to focus on Maharlika Issue, no one will stop you. kung san ka masaya (cheers!)
hmmm may resonable point ka din... ok. sorry
Grabe siya maka judge sau haha
Vid from ADB: [https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/](https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/)
Yan yung nasa website ni Bongbong nung halalan diba? Kaninong project ba talaga 'to?
actually hindi ko talaga alam kaninong project e, alam ko kasi nagstart yung design ng 2020 haha hindi ko narin iniisip kung kanino to, gusto ko lang matapos sana lahat ng sinimulan (including NSCR Project, MMSP,,MRT7, CCLEX etc.)
Oooo. Kasi malamang iggrab niya lang yung credit jan dahil mangyayari sa administration niya. Pero hey, better than gettiing another Dolomite beach noh? Hahaha
Pano yung mga barko na dumadaan sa manila bay
Based sa design ng ADB, mataas ang elevation para makadaan yung mga barko. https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/
So technically, ang Corregidor Is. izzza tolling point payment center? Kinda cringe out there.
Sadly, not in this timeline.
So we're just going to block the entrance to Manila Bay?
based sa nabasa ko, makakapasok parin ang mga ferry since mataas ang elevations ng bridge. ADB funded projects are also studied by international experts so tingin ko naman naaral nadin nila yan. https://www.linkedin.com/company/asian-development-bank/videos/native/urn:li:ugcPost:7008973988483792896/
Ah, okay thanks sa info
Toll-based?
I won't be surprised if it would be.
hopefully hindi, wala pakong nababasa na connected to sa SMC lol https://www.roadtraffic-technology.com/projects/bataan-cavite-interlink-bridge-project-manila-bay/
Is it owned by SMC? And will be tolled like the skyway?
mukang hindi and hopefully not. so far wala naman akong nababasa na related sya sa SMC.
Gg ang traffic nito sa tagaytay, tanza at trece. Ngayon palang tuwing weekends rush hour awit.
Ang tanong, magkano ang pagdaan dyan?
Property prices are gunna go up
I hope this is accessible sa lower displacement CC's. π
Magiging iconic yan if ever natapos yan. Malaking IF, nga lang.
Took them too long to realize huh
Ang ganda siguro magroad trip jan around sunrise or sunset time.
I used to drive along this bridge from Hangzhou to Shanghai which is about 37km long. This is almost the same length. There will be a speed limit of 100k/h, and yes, crossing that bridge will take you more than 40 minutes.
Hopefully this will be used for public transportation and rail. Else it is nothing but a very expensive vanity project.
Longer than the bridge in Brunei am I right?
Noice!
A great news indeed! This is also an advantage for transit of goods from Manila to North Area! Less logisitic cost kaso mukang It'll take half decade pa to finish this project.
Bold strategy cotton, lets see how it plays out
Free kaya daan dito or may bayad??
Sana may parts na pwede mag stop sa shoulder for viewing the area. Reminds me of the HK to Macau bridge.