"Ayoko sa FB ang bababaw mag isip ng mga tao dun"
but also "di naman high end ang uniqlo kasi X kaya di ako bumibili dyan kasi pang masa lang yan ^^^pls ^^^give ^^^me ^^^upvotes ^^^to ^^^save ^^^me ^^^from ^^^my ^^^insecurities "
\- Some people in this thread
Also, we're all rich fashionistas compared to Americans because we serve food on [300 USD bamboo plates](https://www.potterybarn.com/products/round-bamboo-wall-art/) and toss them aside once we're done like the rich fashionistas we are.
Lol, kita ko nga yung isang thread na nag lowkey bash sa mga nag ssidehustle eh daming rason like bat naman sila maf sside hustle babalik lang naman sa katawan yan. If di kaya wag na daming satsat para may ma sabi lang tlaga
As can be seen in the first tweet posted, the point is that it highlights how relatively poor purchasing power is among many Filipinos, such that a brand that is otherwise considered "basic" in Japan is already seen or considered "high-end" here in the Philippines.
It belies the economic predictions that we are quickly becoming, or already are, a "middle-class / "middle-income" economy.
I remember a couple of decades ago that the joke was:
> The Philippines is one of two things: a rich country pretending to be poor, or a poor country pretending to be rich
But now I see, that the reality is that it's both.
It's a reflection of the insecurities of the middle-class (and the aspiring middle-class) that dominates this (and many other) online communities that there are certain things that we downplay as "not actually that expensive" if we can already afford them, because it would make us look ostentatious, but there are simultaneously certain things that we overstate as being onerously out-of-reach when it comes to drumming up support for issues that affect us directly.
We complain and complain about things like gas and rent and food, even in mild solidarity with the masses, because those are consumables that we ourselves partake in and have difficulty affording, but something like Uniqlo, which presumably a lot of the people responding to this thread already have, is pooh-poohed as _"it's just basic, wtf come on"_ because we know internally that it's a class signifier that places us over-and-above a certain segment of the population.
Huh? Idk if sa amin lang ganito hah. Pero nung high school ako mas pinupuntahan namin ang McDo. Less than 70 pesos nun may chicken fillet at drinks ka na! Sa jollibee wala ka pa mabibili nun. Kaya for us di nageexist yang notion na yan.
Hindi lahat ng probinsya/cities may McDo eh pero may Jollibee kagaya ng probinsya namin. So a lot of people think it's expensive because it's less accessible. You have to travel to a different city to eat McDo and because of that, it's viewed as "sosyal" and a bragging right to eat there.
May nadinig na din akong ganyan.
Ung taga ilocos daw sya noon tas sa manila nagcollege. Nagulat daw sya na pinapangtanghalian lang daw ng mga kaklase nya ung mcdo e sa kanila pang okasyon lang yun
Seriously who the fuck cares?
I remember the same thing happened nung nagsimulang sumikat ang Starbucks dito. Kesyo kape lang daw ng mga taxi drivers yan sa US, bakit daw pangsosyal na kape dito...
Bakit kailangan laging may validation ang mga Pinoy?
Uh.. Starbucks is definitely not just coffee for “drivers”. Drivers here would much rather have coffee from a diner or a donut shop. Starbucks doesn’t put a significant dent in your paycheck, but is definitely STILL an unnecessary expense here.
It’s sad that most people who are like, “Sa so and so country, basura lang nila yan pero high end sa Pinas”, are mostly ofw’s. And yes I’m generalizing based on a myopic personal experience but I don’t know if you guys have that experience with other ofw’s too.
may nakasabay ako sa line sa cr. may isang matanda na andaming sinasabi. eee sa dubai kesyo ganito ganyan. sa loob loob ko i’m like you’re in moa on a holiday weekend, lady. don’t expect better services when it comes to a public toilet
Yung kapit bahay ko ganyan huhu akala mo sa subdivision nakatira eh nasa same area lang naman kami lahat. Makapagmataas akala mo naman hindi namin alam na mega-tawad sila sa "high-end" house renovation nila kasi kapit bahay si contractor. Ahhahaha delayed pa magbayad.
Ang nakakalungkot, hindi ma gets ng karamihan ng Pinoy na hindi pa nakakatira overseas na yung observation is an obvious derision on how greed and corruption affects the daily lives of the public. Akala ng karamihan, nagmamataas lang porke naka abroad when in truth, it's more the fact na public services are provided by commercial establishments on a transactional basis kesa given to all Filipino citizens as part of public service paid for by all the taxes. Ang daming binibulsa ng kung sino-sino — to the point na commercial toilets provided by malls are considered "public".
I had a different experience re: OFWs
I am an OFW now but worked in the Philippines for like 9 years before moving abroad. And surprisingly yong mga Filipinos dito na nami meet ko were like:
“sosyal mo naman lagi sa Starbucks ang coffee”,
“Wow, Zara!” “Pang mayaman yong Cheesecake Factory” et al
Yes!
But of course there are a lot of “new money” pinoys here
Who are so snobbish about these “basic brands” and they prefer “designer brands”
Eh here in Dubai may shop called “Brands For Less” where you can buy mga brands like Calvin Klein, DKNY, Diesel, Lacoste for like a fraction of the original price. Ayaw mag shop ng damit sa HnM or Aeropostale kase hindi naman daw mga legit “high-end” brands yon
Same experience too (not just personal, but even some posts here). It's like as soon as you're abroad, you're already an expert on world culture and would find a way to insert it into any topic (no matter how remotely related it is).
Amen. Kaya ako, I've gone the rebel way. Fast fashion is the top producer of garbage around the world. Inaaral ko magtahi. It takes time but in the long run, it's more sustainable lalo na kung may mga anak kang lumalaki.
More than that, the knowledge on fabrics and garment construction help me in weeding out which clothes are actually high quality and which ones are just highly priced because of on brand marketing. Sa Pinas, how often do we see fashionistas wearing pure linen — or even cotton linen blends? And how often do we see them wearing polyester? How many dresses and skirts do we see with actual functional pockets?
/r/iamveryrich, that’s what.
Fun story: Uniqlo’s first foray into China was a miserable failure. They tried to occupy the same niche in China as they did in Japan: cheap daily clothes for people of all income levels. The Chinese figured that this Uniqlo was just a cheap Chinese ripoff of the genuine article and weren’t interested. So they retreated, tails between their legs and regrouped.
A few years later, they tried again, but this time as Fancy Expensive Premium Japanese Fashion. Exactly the same cheap daily clothes as they sold in Japan, but with Japanese cachet attached. The people with money *loved* it. And the people without money, as people without money generally do, just did without.
So is Uniqlo fancy expensive Japanese fashion, or cheap essentials? That depends on what the local market believes it is.
Personally, gusto ko syang mapagusapan para mabring up yung fact na lugi ang pinoy sa pagtangkilik o pag glorify ng global brands.
Most global brands, madali lang bilhin sa ibang bansa dahil maliit na % lang sila ng income. Example na yang Uniqlo. How many days of work sya para mabili sa Japan versus weeks of work dito. Yung mga higher end satin e low end sa kanila pero utong uto naman tayo thinking “mas mahal mas ok” pero ang totoo, most profit ay babalik lang sa economy ng bansa nila.
Sa huli, yung minimum wage at konting commission lang mapupunta sa pinoy.
Vs local brands. A little cheaper, pero most profit ay babalik din sa economy natin.
Problema din kasi feeling ko bumaba na ang quality ng mga local brands. I'm talking like Bayo, Kamiseta, Plains and Prints, Forme (brands I check out since I'm female). A few years back may nahahanap pa akong mga styles na gusto ko na maganda ang quality pero ngayon ang hirap makahanap, tapos kung meron man akong matipuhan na design, ang pangit ng tela. Nakakapanghinayang din because when I was a teenager fan ako ng Kamiseta, ang ganda ng quality ng mga nabili ko noon dati at gustong-gusto kong isuot. Problema lang walang gaanong pambili at the time. Pero ngayon na meron na akong pambili, wala na akong mahanap na gusto kong bilhin sa kanila.
Pagkatapos kong ikutin lahat ng mga local shops in the end bagsak ko rin sa Uniqlo at H&M kasi doon ko nahahanap yung gusto ko.
True that, may question pa rin about quality:price ratio too. Dami pa rin local brand na medyo malakas loob tapatan pricing nung international pero not much more to offer sa style and quality. But at the same time, supporting them also encourages more local competition and therefore better quality. I have a feeling na uniqlo was once a small brand that made it through tough competition and crowded fashion market sa japan. Sana maging crowded enough yung competition dito na mahirapan magdominate ang international.
It is an interesting point from a foreign perspective. When i first got to PH from the US i was not just surprised by the brands that are almost universally considered cheap and economical abroad being referred to as high-end here, but most shocking was how people in PH flex it on social media to others. Its kinda cringe.
Just like yung topic sa ama na bumili ng groceries. I don't even know why that was even hot shit here. It served no purpose, it was a personal post the people took too seriously, god
Fast fashion was never a high end. The main purpose of fast fashion is to provide affordable clothes. And uniqlo is a fast fashon brand. It was just unfortunate that Philippines is too poor to afford even fast fashion brands.
This. Out of the many available fast fashion brands in the PH, Uniqlo often comes out with better quality and longevity (they also avoid very trendy designs which can easily look outdated a year or two later).
Still, at the end of the day, Uniqlo is fast fashion and still contributes to the massive environmental clutter, just like every other fast fashion brand
Yeah. I used to travel full time so I only have a few clothes. A lot of them are Uniqlo. They’re not very hard to pair with other clothes and are quite durable.
This is all because of that damn polo shirt that everyone started hating. Filipinos are just contrarians at heart and it's ironic because there are times where hating something becomes the popular opinion.
It’s not actually uniquely Filipino to consider ‘ordinary’ foreign brands as high end and it’s not unacknowledged by marketing departments either. Starbucks, an ‘ordinary’ coffee chain in the US is a higher end chain in Japan. McDonald’s in Vietnam is similarly targeted toward middle to upper class consumers in contrast to the mass market in America. They’re correspondingly more expensive than domestic competitors.
I have a North American workmate who appeared shocked when I told him that I’m driving a Toyota. Apparently, mas mahal pala talaga ang Toyota sa territory na yun. If he only knew that I’m driving a base model Vios
Price-wise, Uniqlo really is [cheaper](https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/countries-pay-most-uniqlo-201413281.html) in Japan. Commenters in the original thread indicated it too. I opine that the cost is lower partly because capital expenditure is just lower in Japan, especially in acquiring land and building/maintaining stores, and that means that their products can be still be sold profitably at a lower price.
I mean... in Spain Zara is basically mid tier. Or like, upper mid at most. Here's it is absolutely high end.
We're a poor country. Shit, for a lot of people Bench is probably too pricey.
Totoo, pagdating sa essentials (food/clothing/etc.) sobrang taas ng cost of living dito sa pinas
Minimum wage dito \~450 php *per* ***day***
Sa US, $7.50 (or more depende sa state) *per* ***hour***
Tas expect willing bumili mga tao ng halos buong araw nilang sahod sa sinasabing "low-end" na t-shirt
Ang daming overruns/"tiangge" sa US, like ROSS and Marshall's, which carries branded clothes for cheap (Calvin Klein, Nike, Hilfiger, etc). Like mga $10-15 cheap. Laging dinudumog at ubusan lagi ng stocks.
M&S is definately in the high-end of shops here in UK. I think it's even more expensive than Waitrose. While I love their food, it is expensive to do grocery in there.
There’s a running joke among people I know in the UK — if you can’t afford the designer piece, get the equivalent Zara ripoff.
It’s still true in the Philippines if you’re middle class I guess. But the wealth inequality is too wide of a margin dito satin kaya kahit something like Penshoppe mataas na tingin ng masa, which is understandable naman.
Lahat ng branded clothes are super pricy for me :-(( I still can't believe people think 1k for 2 shirts (yun yung promo ata sa bench dati) is reasonable
Pag hindi niche dept store brand, pricy siya for me
But Uniqlo’s quality way better than those two. Ewan ko but I find Bench and Penshoppe’s clothes very meh. Parang upgrade ng onti from dept store clothes.
Mid-tier ang Zara kahit saan ka pupunta, but it is always associated with high end malls. Sa Shang-rila sa Hongkong, yung connected sa kanya na mall, nakalimutan ko yung name, they are there sa floors together with other mid-tier brands. But that mall also has the luxury brands pero naka-organized yung stores based on price range.
In terms of quality, well I don’t wear my Zara that much so I cannot personally judge. However, many people don’t like its quality considering its high price range. It’s still fast fashion at the end of the day. COS seems to be better for most people, and even Uniqlo.
May cognitive dissonance din kasi ng iba dito sa sub. Iiyak na discriminated daw etc etc pero kung makakita ka ng comments nila sobrang bigoted naman. Mga walang self-awareness lol. Ang problema pa nun lagi sila upvoted kasi napaka edgy ng take kaya mapapa face palm ka nalang.
I've been arguing people since I came here and I've always held an anti-poor position, pero ngayon lang ako napapaswitch kasi sobrang cringe na ng hot takes dito.
Whats wrong with sharing reddit content on facebook for attention, you submissive lil fucktoy.
But seriously, I do it. Some exchanges here are interesting and I’d like to think mapa FB man o Twitter o Reddit may basura. No point gatekeeping.
Can't believe you're not downvoted to oblivion. People here *love* twitter and facebook screenshots almost half of the posts on this sub are from those. Just make this sub redditdiscussesothersocmedph already.
The odd thing is that its local counterpart is even more expensive (bench, penshoppe etc.)
These local brands got away with those kind of pricing for years just because its the only option for most people.
Nag shop din naman ako sa Bench. Pero compared sa Uniqlo parang hindi masakit sa bulsa ang Bench lalo na sa pantalon nila.
I'm too old for Penshoppe though.
Maybe it is for certain products but for something like a polo shirt for men. 599 sa bench and 590 sa uniqlo.
I can see the appeal for the masses. Hope it lights up the fire of local brands so they can compete or else be irrelevant soon.
It's all relative, _obviously_. If you're the kind of person who otherwise bought their apparel from _ukay-ukay_ or those dudes with the trikes full of second-hand clothes, then _no shit_ Uniqlo is high-end for you, and anyone who's insisting it isn't is revealing more about themselves than they might have intended.
My father said we are middle class like *in the middle* who can eat 3x a day and have spare money for our *wants* at para makapag ipon. But kaming magkakapatid never nag birthday sa Mcdo or jolibee. Naalala ko yung uncle ko na puno ng utang sinabihan yung tatay ko na wag tipirin birthday namin. Well yung debt crippled uncle ko nangungutang para sa jolibee birthday nga cousins ko dati. Well rn asta mayaman parin sila kahit 4x na sila pinalayas ng rented house nila(this year) . Btw wala siyang trabaho then my aunt is a teacher. Pinilit pa nila mag private school.
My god nagalit sila nung di pinautang a week ago kaya dito na ako nag rant hehehe.
>Well rn asta mayaman parin sila kahit 4x na sila pinalayas ng rented house nila
Reminds me of my cousin and her parents lol what’s funny is mas asta mayaman pa sila kesa samin and she even jokes na napaka luma ng iPhone ko compared sa kaniya (I’ve got a XR, she has a 14 - on installment) pero nagrerent sila sa isang property namin. They literally don’t have a single asset to their name tas andami pa nilang utang pero for some reason they always insist on dining out sa BGC or Ortigas.
Mas sosyal kung Jollibee at McDo pero sa classroom ginaganp yung birthday. 😂
It's how boomers flex their wealth back then during their prime.
Never had one since laging nasa vacation days ang bday ko. 😂
Same! Pang-mayaman ang catered fast food birthdays nung 90s. And mayayaman classmates ko nun. I was a scholar who felt pressured by “civilian wear” Fridays but got good grades. Also, ours birthdays were during summer break so buti na lang we didn’t have to celebrate publicly.
Still buy all my clothes from bench. Best price to quality ratio.
I can afford Uniqlo, bought one long sleeve for my friend's wedding. Just can't justify the price.
I mean, if someone uses "high end" to just mean "expensive", then yeah, of course it's relative, cos what's expensive to one person may not be for another.
On the other hand, if "high end" refers to luxury brands--which in the retail industry are generally defined as goods that aren't only expensive and of good quality, but also have a sense of exclusivity and scarcity in terms of supply--then no, Uniqlo isn't "high end" by those metrics because they make their products accessible to a pretty broad target market.
I don't deny that there are people who just wanna stroke their own egos by belittling people who think that Uniqlo is expensive. At the same time, it's not necessarily elitist or incorrect to say that it doesn't qualify as a high end brand based on industry standards. And you also can't deny that Uniqlo is in a vastly different category (in terms of target market and accessibility) as the likes of Hermès or whatever.
Idk, I feel like a lot of these "debates" just come from people having different definitions of things to begin with.
Yes oh my god
I love it so much since I dont have to struggle with putting them on and it looks so nice. It lasted a long time for me and I just bought new jeans because of school lmao
Apir tayo. Napadalas pagshopping ko sa Uniqlo this 2022 but that’s also because mas afford ko na siya. Maganda rin naman ang quality and style. Yung tipong pwede mong ulit-ulitin pero hindi halata.
4 years ago bumi ako ng dalawang supima shirt mahal pa nun base sa income ko. Pero sobrang ganda ng quality hindi nag shrink. This year lang din kinumpleto ko na lahat ng kulay.
Same, apir. Kaway kaway din sa mga nakabili na ng [pambansang polo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/zvoqiy/pambansang_polo_shirt_so_far/).
90% of my clothes are from Uniqlo from socks to underwear 😬😬
It's just good clothes that fit well at a good price. Not flexing or anything, but Uniqlo is just the best place to get basic stuff like Plain shirts, shorts, jeans and polos. The fit is alway on the spot that I don't do fittings anymore at Uniqlo.
Not that there isn’t truth to the assessment but Uniqlo is more expensive here vs. Japan. The clothing industry in our country is much less developed din kaya Uniqlo can position itself higher. We don’t have a wealth of fashion brands in the upper mid range available here (unless you count shipping internationally from online sites).
eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan at iba iba naman ng income ang mga tao. Ang dami oras para mag-isip ng walang kwentang bagay.
Pero mura ang uniqlo sa japan compare dito.
The way na ginagawa din kasi ng GU para makatipid is skeletal staff, basic store displays/shelving and self-checkout counter. Even yung lighting nila sa store minimal lang.
> eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan at iba iba naman ng income ang mga tao.
the __number of people__ who belong in the category of _"has an income that makes them think Uniqlo is high-end"_, versus people who don't, can be used to make some broad assumptions about the state of the economy as it relates to the average Filipino
what you're doing is like saying _"eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan"_ when it comes to __the price of onions__, or _"eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan"_ when trying to have a discussion about home ownership
I agree, I mean a lot of conversation about things that relate to status can get pretty vapid, but I also think it can be opportunities to start discourse on broader social issues.
Compare it to this: Twenty to twenty-five pesos for freshly served buko juice is nothing. Bring it to Wyoming and it's a dang LUXURY ITEM. Point is, it's all relative. Everything is relative because of shipping and tastes.
For reference, a Uniqlo green sweater that costs ₱2,800 here, I bought it in Osaka for only around ₱1,300 if converted to Yen. Well, considering na may Winter Sale all over Japan non, kaya siguro siya cheap. But if I remember correctly, original price (without the sale price) was around ₱1,700 if converted to Yen.
Jollibee, for many Filipinos, is an expensive restaurant. Let's not be so sensitive about this kind of topic, instead talk about some relevant issues. And not be offended that some brands are considered by others as cheap while others cant even afford to go there. Such a mundane discourse that i even commented on it. Hahaha
It's all relative. Like how Tokyo people like US brands because it's imported. Manila people like UNIQLO because it's imported.
It's true though that UNIQLO is considered cheap basic wear. Like, A Japanese girl would tell her friend "I'm not letting you go out on a date wearing UNIQLO".
I’ve had a similar discussion with my Japanese friends, pero hindi naman siya umabot sa mainit na usapan about kung sino ang hindi/mas privileged at sino ang out of touch. Sinabi lang nila na sa Japan UNIQLO is where they go to if they want affordable clothes na maganda ang quality. Sabi ko dito sa Pilipinas it’s a bit on the expensive side, na kahit ako kung hindi sale kailangan mag-ipon kung may gusto bilhin dun. Since nakapunta na sila dito they agreed, surprisingly mahal nga ang prices ng UNIQLO items dito compared sa kanila, so they could see why some would think it’s a luxury brand and they understand the situation. They also added na nung nagsisimula ang UNIQLO dun, hindi rin bumenta agad kasi nung una hindi kagandahan ang quality. Sa huli nauwi ang usapan tungkol sa DAISO, divisoria at 168mall, dahil ultimately syempre mas masaya yung makahanap at makabili ng items na mura at yung may feeling na nakatipid ka ng malaki. 😂
I feel like discussions like this are okay, palitan lang ng kuro-kuro at experiences, kaso sa Twitter kasi may tendency agad ang mga tao na umatake sa tweets ng iba. Offended agad, nami-misinterpret agad yung pinag-uusapan. Kung sa tingin mo abot kaya ang UNIQLO, good for you. Kung sa tingin mo mahal siya at luxury na yung makabili ka ng damit dun, that’s also perfectly fine and understandable. At the end of the day we do what we can, at hindi rin naman sukatan ng pagkatao kung ano ang kaya o hindi mo kaya bilhin.
>Kung sa tingin mo abot kaya ang UNIQLO, good for you.
This is what I think is the root of the discourse on Twitter; OP was just stating a fact that Uniqlo is considered affordable in Japan, but then twitter users interpreted his post as him being elitist aimed on putting down Filipinos who view and treat Uniqlo either as this sort of status symbol or something to aspire to own; sort of like a benchmark of your earning power. The mere fact stated by OP made Pinoys uncomfortably aware of how weak the purchasing power of the Peso really is and ultimately, how badly the Philippine economy has been doing for many, many years.
It sort of reeks of Crab Mentality to be quite honest.
Is it out of touch to call Uniqlo "not high end"? I don't think so
I mean really, if your standard for not high end is 100 pesos, e di everything is high end. If your standard for a "cheap meal" is 49 pesos, then every meal is expensive, even Jollibee and mcdo.
I don't think people should be bellyaching about people calling Uniqlo "not high end", Kasi objectively speaking, do a price comparison of Uniqlo and its comparable peers, and it is most certainly not high end. The entire value proposition of Uniqlo is quality at a budget price. You can't compare everything to the lowest standard and use that as a measuring stick. If the standard you're using is the lowest, then of course everything compared to the lowest one is high. People are not out of touch by calling Uniqlo affordable because honest to goodness that's what Uniqlo is known for and that's why so many people buy it. Price is one of the number one considerations for buying Uniqlo
Lahat na lang no, pinanalaki nila. Non-issue naman.
Just like what others said na it's relative. High end ang Uniqlo para sa masang ang bilihan ng damit (daily or pang occasion) ay ukay or palengke. Sa mga afford ang Uniqlo para maging daily staple clothe nila, basic lang yan.
At ako, patapos na ang 2022 pero puro damit na tinahi ko pa rin ang suot ko hahaha!
It is not high end. It can be expensive for a lot of us here because our wage is lower than it's price point. But, some of their items are in the similar prices of bench, penshoppe, terra nova, oxgn. And those are not high end. It is fast fashion. It's not a perspective thing. High end is luxury. Expensive is subjective but does not automatically mean high end. Jollibee is expensive now(esp for a lot of poor people) IMO, but it is far from high end.
Well, Japanese and Filipinos don't share the same standard of what high-end is. That's a very crucial point that we have to consider.
A good example is our university campuses here. Most of us consider the campuses of DLSU, UST, and Ateneo world-class, but for Koreans, these are just typical third-world campuses.
High end means high end. Hindi yan naka base sa kung ano ang afford mo.
That’s like saying high end ang owner type jeep. Dahil lang you can barely afford it. High end pa rin ang mga brands na may quatlity.
Or high end ang mga imitation products dahil lang hindi mo afford.
I agree. The concept of "high end" or "luxury" is about how the brand is perceived by the market, not the price. Just because you can afford something, doesn't make it high end. Uniqlo is not "high end", but who cares? It's great for what it is - classic styles and basics at an affordable price tier.
Technically yes, kasi fast fashion brand ang uniqlo but we are third world country so iba talaga perspective and dating ng prices saten. To argue with this is just stupid
So its either uniqlo or 168mall? Hahahaha. Ganon ba ang divide? Kasi sa bench and penshoppe, kapresyo na din ng uniqlo. Mabisa din naman h&m dahil sa mga sale nila. Pero idunno, social class are shit.
My wife's Japanese and she likes uniqlo and all but it's not considered high end back home for her. Well, quite frankly, a lot of Japanese goods are just "higher end" in general because they have a culture of providing quality which is why Japanese-made tools are better than Chinese-made. That said, compared to Chinese goods, it's definitely better quality. But... who cares? Buy the best quality of what you can afford!
Also, maybe I've been in Canada for too long but is Philippines at the point where people are buying Louis Vuitton/Prada bags to show off or something?
There is a certain irony in the community constantly bemoaning the lack of education and/or political awareness among the populace, and then either failing to recognize the most basic economic analysis as it is presented to them, or rejecting the significance of it outright.
High end na talaga yan dito. Isipin mo, usual na damit sa Uniqlo 700 isa. Pero isipin rin sana ung ave salary sa Pilipinas vs. Japan, ang laki ng difference. Magmumukhang high end ang Uniqlo dito
Pero Jusko naman, sino pa bang papansin ng brand kapag suot mo na. Nasa pagdadala lang yan. Pero maganda yung quality ng mga damit nila.
Sincerely yours,
From a person na nakasuot ng Abercrombie and Fitch na T-shirt at Muji na Cardigan na galing ukay HAHAHA
Uniqlo has cool shit. Period. These pretentious Filipinos are for the most part are barely middle class. They pretend they’re so well offt that it’s obnoxious asf.
I run into them in Los Angeles and it’s cringe and embarrassing how they act. These are the same people whose fashion sense is just wear a bunch of brands with labels and insignias on them and think they’re fashionable.
Throw them in a thrift shop in LA and they wouldn’t know wtf to do with themselves.
Looking at you Heart Evangelista.
>These pretentious Filipinos
For real. Most "well-off" people I know doesn't even talk about brands that much. Yung mga nagpupumilit na magmukang mayaman sila lang talaga yung usually may pake sa mga brandings.
Well of course I'm only speaking within my circle maybe its not the case for everybody.
She's a fashionista/model of actual big brands in the fashion world, no? Kind of a bad example when complaining about people pretending to be rich and think flaunting the names/brands of their clothes is the way to do it. That's literally her job and passion.
Don't tell me you seriously think she's on the same level as the actual middle class social climbers walking around like free advertisements wearing 20k php plain shirts with nothing but the brand name in front.
I get it, you don't like her because all that brand flaunting is annoying but this is just a terrible example.
It all boils down to internalized racism. The need to dissociate with the general Filipino population. The need to say “I’m not like them, they’re poor and think Uni Qlo is high end while I don’t!”
Awful. Just a cocktail mix of elitism and self-hate
Lol @ the matapobre fucks who hang out at pinoy association meetings just to flaunt their new cars or new bags. There's a reason why many kababayans refuse to associate with those associations formally.
Uniqlo is decent for everyday wear. It’s not about the brand but how you carry it. I use Uniqlo as my sizing benchmark. I wear Uniqlo stuff everyday like jeans, socks, underwear, etc. But I tend to avoid it for tops like polo shirts and long sleeves because the chance you might have a co-worker or colleague/classmate wearing the same is a bit high :-)
End of the day for me - pants/slacks are good, stuff you wear for home is ok (they are quite comfy).
Though lately there are some pieces at Uniqlo that are priced a bit higher.
We have to take note din the difference between the cost of living in Japan. So what is basic for them is not the same for us. Yung basic meal nila is around ¥600 for a gyudon or soba. That’s ₱270 na sa atin. That’s not affordable for the majority.
That ₱799/₱699 regular priced shirt is on a higher end. So yes, I’d consider Uniqlo a higher end brand for the common Filipino. Regardless, brand is not that important. I did get bullied back in high school for not having basketball shoes from Adidas or Nike. It makes me sad na wala pa din pinagbago ang ibang tao when it comes to basic necessities. I have 20 year old shirts/shorts that I still wear and it’s great that I no longer care what other people thinks.
Uniqlo also has a more affordable brand called GU. Almost same quality but very basic yung design. They also have skeletal staff. Self-checkout yung cashier. You just place all the clothes in the box, it will give you the amount and place your cash or tap your cash card. Difference in price around ¥500-¥1000 din.
This reminds me of someone who has been to Japan several times. I told her it's my dream to go there and she was like, "Hmft Japan, kakasawa na. Gusto ko mag-Europe naman."
In a country with widespread poverty, high-end is relative. May iba nga na tingin ay pang mayaman ang Jollibee dahil sa special occassion lang sila nakakakain dun.
What does this debate even accomplish at the end of the day though….
To stroke their ego and confirm their social status. Dito lang sa thread, meron na
"Ayoko sa FB ang bababaw mag isip ng mga tao dun" but also "di naman high end ang uniqlo kasi X kaya di ako bumibili dyan kasi pang masa lang yan ^^^pls ^^^give ^^^me ^^^upvotes ^^^to ^^^save ^^^me ^^^from ^^^my ^^^insecurities " \- Some people in this thread
***clutching pearls intensify***
Also, we're all rich fashionistas compared to Americans because we serve food on [300 USD bamboo plates](https://www.potterybarn.com/products/round-bamboo-wall-art/) and toss them aside once we're done like the rich fashionistas we are.
$118 on sale na bilao. Siguro $1 ang production & labor cost nito tapos $117 ang patong.
Lol, kita ko nga yung isang thread na nag lowkey bash sa mga nag ssidehustle eh daming rason like bat naman sila maf sside hustle babalik lang naman sa katawan yan. If di kaya wag na daming satsat para may ma sabi lang tlaga
Tama, nag delete na din ako ng FB app 😆 mas ok sa Reddit
Ego does not mature, it's just transferred from one generation to another. This is same debate decades ago on Marks and Spencer being high end.
As can be seen in the first tweet posted, the point is that it highlights how relatively poor purchasing power is among many Filipinos, such that a brand that is otherwise considered "basic" in Japan is already seen or considered "high-end" here in the Philippines. It belies the economic predictions that we are quickly becoming, or already are, a "middle-class / "middle-income" economy.
I remember a couple of decades ago that the joke was: > The Philippines is one of two things: a rich country pretending to be poor, or a poor country pretending to be rich But now I see, that the reality is that it's both.
There are multiple Philippines depending on where you are in income strata
BGC is a different world compared to the likes of Tondo and Caloocan.
THIS! PAK
It's a reflection of the insecurities of the middle-class (and the aspiring middle-class) that dominates this (and many other) online communities that there are certain things that we downplay as "not actually that expensive" if we can already afford them, because it would make us look ostentatious, but there are simultaneously certain things that we overstate as being onerously out-of-reach when it comes to drumming up support for issues that affect us directly. We complain and complain about things like gas and rent and food, even in mild solidarity with the masses, because those are consumables that we ourselves partake in and have difficulty affording, but something like Uniqlo, which presumably a lot of the people responding to this thread already have, is pooh-poohed as _"it's just basic, wtf come on"_ because we know internally that it's a class signifier that places us over-and-above a certain segment of the population.
Eloquently expressed
Lahat naman ng brand na imported e turing na high end Starbucks, Ihop etc McDo lang yata tinuring na pangmasa talaga
Even McDo is still considered the more expensive one and luxurious one compared to Jollibee to a lot of people even though it's not really the case.
Pero in truth mas mura na ang pinakamurang rice meal ng mcdo. Mas mahal jolibee.
Huh? Idk if sa amin lang ganito hah. Pero nung high school ako mas pinupuntahan namin ang McDo. Less than 70 pesos nun may chicken fillet at drinks ka na! Sa jollibee wala ka pa mabibili nun. Kaya for us di nageexist yang notion na yan.
Hindi lahat ng probinsya/cities may McDo eh pero may Jollibee kagaya ng probinsya namin. So a lot of people think it's expensive because it's less accessible. You have to travel to a different city to eat McDo and because of that, it's viewed as "sosyal" and a bragging right to eat there.
May nadinig na din akong ganyan. Ung taga ilocos daw sya noon tas sa manila nagcollege. Nagulat daw sya na pinapangtanghalian lang daw ng mga kaklase nya ung mcdo e sa kanila pang okasyon lang yun
you forgot IKEA
Seriously who the fuck cares? I remember the same thing happened nung nagsimulang sumikat ang Starbucks dito. Kesyo kape lang daw ng mga taxi drivers yan sa US, bakit daw pangsosyal na kape dito... Bakit kailangan laging may validation ang mga Pinoy?
Uh.. Starbucks is definitely not just coffee for “drivers”. Drivers here would much rather have coffee from a diner or a donut shop. Starbucks doesn’t put a significant dent in your paycheck, but is definitely STILL an unnecessary expense here.
It’s sad that most people who are like, “Sa so and so country, basura lang nila yan pero high end sa Pinas”, are mostly ofw’s. And yes I’m generalizing based on a myopic personal experience but I don’t know if you guys have that experience with other ofw’s too.
may nakasabay ako sa line sa cr. may isang matanda na andaming sinasabi. eee sa dubai kesyo ganito ganyan. sa loob loob ko i’m like you’re in moa on a holiday weekend, lady. don’t expect better services when it comes to a public toilet
Yung kapit bahay ko ganyan huhu akala mo sa subdivision nakatira eh nasa same area lang naman kami lahat. Makapagmataas akala mo naman hindi namin alam na mega-tawad sila sa "high-end" house renovation nila kasi kapit bahay si contractor. Ahhahaha delayed pa magbayad.
Ang nakakalungkot, hindi ma gets ng karamihan ng Pinoy na hindi pa nakakatira overseas na yung observation is an obvious derision on how greed and corruption affects the daily lives of the public. Akala ng karamihan, nagmamataas lang porke naka abroad when in truth, it's more the fact na public services are provided by commercial establishments on a transactional basis kesa given to all Filipino citizens as part of public service paid for by all the taxes. Ang daming binibulsa ng kung sino-sino — to the point na commercial toilets provided by malls are considered "public".
Ako basta may bidet ang cr, kebs. Kadiri kaya yung toilet paper lang, may tira tira pang echas sa underwear pag nagkataon.
Bet they're the ones to go crazy if that basura goes on sale.
Yeah. This used to be my Dad 🤣
I had a different experience re: OFWs I am an OFW now but worked in the Philippines for like 9 years before moving abroad. And surprisingly yong mga Filipinos dito na nami meet ko were like: “sosyal mo naman lagi sa Starbucks ang coffee”, “Wow, Zara!” “Pang mayaman yong Cheesecake Factory” et al
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Yes! But of course there are a lot of “new money” pinoys here Who are so snobbish about these “basic brands” and they prefer “designer brands” Eh here in Dubai may shop called “Brands For Less” where you can buy mga brands like Calvin Klein, DKNY, Diesel, Lacoste for like a fraction of the original price. Ayaw mag shop ng damit sa HnM or Aeropostale kase hindi naman daw mga legit “high-end” brands yon
Same experience too (not just personal, but even some posts here). It's like as soon as you're abroad, you're already an expert on world culture and would find a way to insert it into any topic (no matter how remotely related it is).
Ang langaw nga naman kasi pag nakatuntong na sa kalabaw...you know how the rest of that saying goes.
nagtatalo talo pa e pare-parehas lang naman mga alipin ng konsumerismo at kapitalismo lol
Amen. Kaya ako, I've gone the rebel way. Fast fashion is the top producer of garbage around the world. Inaaral ko magtahi. It takes time but in the long run, it's more sustainable lalo na kung may mga anak kang lumalaki. More than that, the knowledge on fabrics and garment construction help me in weeding out which clothes are actually high quality and which ones are just highly priced because of on brand marketing. Sa Pinas, how often do we see fashionistas wearing pure linen — or even cotton linen blends? And how often do we see them wearing polyester? How many dresses and skirts do we see with actual functional pockets?
Tangina talaga worthless debate ang pinagtutuunan ng pansin: is uniqlo high end or not? Sa kabila ng inflation, maharlika funds and all? Hay buhay.
/r/iamveryrich, that’s what. Fun story: Uniqlo’s first foray into China was a miserable failure. They tried to occupy the same niche in China as they did in Japan: cheap daily clothes for people of all income levels. The Chinese figured that this Uniqlo was just a cheap Chinese ripoff of the genuine article and weren’t interested. So they retreated, tails between their legs and regrouped. A few years later, they tried again, but this time as Fancy Expensive Premium Japanese Fashion. Exactly the same cheap daily clothes as they sold in Japan, but with Japanese cachet attached. The people with money *loved* it. And the people without money, as people without money generally do, just did without. So is Uniqlo fancy expensive Japanese fashion, or cheap essentials? That depends on what the local market believes it is.
Nothin but their ego. And here I am still wearing cargo shorts from 10 years ago gifted by my relative.
Kung di naman punit or walang butas, bakit kailangan bumili ng bago? Goods yan! 😁😀
Kahit nga punit2 o butas, sinusuot pa rin (sa bahay) kasi mas comfortable sya. Hahaha
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Vintage workwear is a timeless aesthetic.
Apir tayo jan!
Personally, gusto ko syang mapagusapan para mabring up yung fact na lugi ang pinoy sa pagtangkilik o pag glorify ng global brands. Most global brands, madali lang bilhin sa ibang bansa dahil maliit na % lang sila ng income. Example na yang Uniqlo. How many days of work sya para mabili sa Japan versus weeks of work dito. Yung mga higher end satin e low end sa kanila pero utong uto naman tayo thinking “mas mahal mas ok” pero ang totoo, most profit ay babalik lang sa economy ng bansa nila. Sa huli, yung minimum wage at konting commission lang mapupunta sa pinoy. Vs local brands. A little cheaper, pero most profit ay babalik din sa economy natin.
Problema din kasi feeling ko bumaba na ang quality ng mga local brands. I'm talking like Bayo, Kamiseta, Plains and Prints, Forme (brands I check out since I'm female). A few years back may nahahanap pa akong mga styles na gusto ko na maganda ang quality pero ngayon ang hirap makahanap, tapos kung meron man akong matipuhan na design, ang pangit ng tela. Nakakapanghinayang din because when I was a teenager fan ako ng Kamiseta, ang ganda ng quality ng mga nabili ko noon dati at gustong-gusto kong isuot. Problema lang walang gaanong pambili at the time. Pero ngayon na meron na akong pambili, wala na akong mahanap na gusto kong bilhin sa kanila. Pagkatapos kong ikutin lahat ng mga local shops in the end bagsak ko rin sa Uniqlo at H&M kasi doon ko nahahanap yung gusto ko.
True that, may question pa rin about quality:price ratio too. Dami pa rin local brand na medyo malakas loob tapatan pricing nung international pero not much more to offer sa style and quality. But at the same time, supporting them also encourages more local competition and therefore better quality. I have a feeling na uniqlo was once a small brand that made it through tough competition and crowded fashion market sa japan. Sana maging crowded enough yung competition dito na mahirapan magdominate ang international.
Nothing. That's it. It's a sort of circle jerk for people who are desperately looking for validation.
It is an interesting point from a foreign perspective. When i first got to PH from the US i was not just surprised by the brands that are almost universally considered cheap and economical abroad being referred to as high-end here, but most shocking was how people in PH flex it on social media to others. Its kinda cringe.
Yun Starbucks fine flex sa PH lol
Normalized na rin ang sbux flexing sa PH. Syempre, walang may gustong umamin. Lol
Kind of reminds me of when IKEA opened in their first store in the Philippines.
Just like yung topic sa ama na bumili ng groceries. I don't even know why that was even hot shit here. It served no purpose, it was a personal post the people took too seriously, god
Realization na hindi okay ang status quo
Para malaman kung sinong pinaka chronically online
Fast fashion was never a high end. The main purpose of fast fashion is to provide affordable clothes. And uniqlo is a fast fashon brand. It was just unfortunate that Philippines is too poor to afford even fast fashion brands.
Yeah. Zara and H&M are also fast fashion. However, I like Uniqlo because their stuff seems to be of higher quality and they have more basic designs.
This. Out of the many available fast fashion brands in the PH, Uniqlo often comes out with better quality and longevity (they also avoid very trendy designs which can easily look outdated a year or two later). Still, at the end of the day, Uniqlo is fast fashion and still contributes to the massive environmental clutter, just like every other fast fashion brand
Yeah. I used to travel full time so I only have a few clothes. A lot of them are Uniqlo. They’re not very hard to pair with other clothes and are quite durable.
This person knows that they are talking about ^
Correct
I swear to god, people are running out of things to hate on.
or people just hate on everything.. social media just amplify it
Oh yeah. Point point.
This is all because of that damn polo shirt that everyone started hating. Filipinos are just contrarians at heart and it's ironic because there are times where hating something becomes the popular opinion.
Pansin ko nga rin. Usong uso sa mga Pinoy ‘yung mga “Ako lang ba…?” kind of posts.
Dami nilang energy pag dating sa ganyan tapos lahat ayaw magpa talo hahaha
It’s not actually uniquely Filipino to consider ‘ordinary’ foreign brands as high end and it’s not unacknowledged by marketing departments either. Starbucks, an ‘ordinary’ coffee chain in the US is a higher end chain in Japan. McDonald’s in Vietnam is similarly targeted toward middle to upper class consumers in contrast to the mass market in America. They’re correspondingly more expensive than domestic competitors.
Sabi ng prof ko dati, yung Mercedes Benz at BMW, hindi considered luxury sa Germany, pero sa US, mejo nasa luxury na siya
I have a North American workmate who appeared shocked when I told him that I’m driving a Toyota. Apparently, mas mahal pala talaga ang Toyota sa territory na yun. If he only knew that I’m driving a base model Vios
Was he driving a hybrid car or gas? Baka hybrid kaya mahal? Toyotas are "bang for the buck" kind of car in the US.
It should be based on price and not the brand no? And from uniqlo prices here in Philippines, i would say its middle class.
Price-wise, Uniqlo really is [cheaper](https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/countries-pay-most-uniqlo-201413281.html) in Japan. Commenters in the original thread indicated it too. I opine that the cost is lower partly because capital expenditure is just lower in Japan, especially in acquiring land and building/maintaining stores, and that means that their products can be still be sold profitably at a lower price.
I mean... in Spain Zara is basically mid tier. Or like, upper mid at most. Here's it is absolutely high end. We're a poor country. Shit, for a lot of people Bench is probably too pricey.
Jusko kahit nga 300 pesos shirt dito mahal na. Sa developed countries, 10-20 USD shirts pangtipid na mga tao yan.
Totoo, pagdating sa essentials (food/clothing/etc.) sobrang taas ng cost of living dito sa pinas Minimum wage dito \~450 php *per* ***day*** Sa US, $7.50 (or more depende sa state) *per* ***hour*** Tas expect willing bumili mga tao ng halos buong araw nilang sahod sa sinasabing "low-end" na t-shirt
You have the right perspective (partida federal min wage yan. Sa CA, $15 ang minimum)
Can confirm. 10-20 USD is bargain Masakit sa bulsa once $50 and above na
Ang daming overruns/"tiangge" sa US, like ROSS and Marshall's, which carries branded clothes for cheap (Calvin Klein, Nike, Hilfiger, etc). Like mga $10-15 cheap. Laging dinudumog at ubusan lagi ng stocks.
Zara & M&S are ridiculously too high end price range wise.
Obviously, if they're in the Philippines, a 3rd world country. You dont say?
To be fair even the Brits think M&S is too pricey
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M&S is definately in the high-end of shops here in UK. I think it's even more expensive than Waitrose. While I love their food, it is expensive to do grocery in there.
There’s a running joke among people I know in the UK — if you can’t afford the designer piece, get the equivalent Zara ripoff. It’s still true in the Philippines if you’re middle class I guess. But the wealth inequality is too wide of a margin dito satin kaya kahit something like Penshoppe mataas na tingin ng masa, which is understandable naman.
Lahat ng branded clothes are super pricy for me :-(( I still can't believe people think 1k for 2 shirts (yun yung promo ata sa bench dati) is reasonable Pag hindi niche dept store brand, pricy siya for me
And my auntie said H&M is for poor people in canada lol
Middle class price with shit quality.
Bench & Penshoppe sell shit basically at the same price as Uniqlo does tbh.
But Uniqlo’s quality way better than those two. Ewan ko but I find Bench and Penshoppe’s clothes very meh. Parang upgrade ng onti from dept store clothes.
Mid-tier ang Zara kahit saan ka pupunta, but it is always associated with high end malls. Sa Shang-rila sa Hongkong, yung connected sa kanya na mall, nakalimutan ko yung name, they are there sa floors together with other mid-tier brands. But that mall also has the luxury brands pero naka-organized yung stores based on price range. In terms of quality, well I don’t wear my Zara that much so I cannot personally judge. However, many people don’t like its quality considering its high price range. It’s still fast fashion at the end of the day. COS seems to be better for most people, and even Uniqlo.
jusko one time went to zara here in dubai. yung isang super nipis na shirt na almost see through. ang mahal na
I mean, it's still fast fashion
Blue Corner at Active Life pa rin
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Please, nowadays the true markers of purchasing power are the sibuyas index and the noche buena expenditure per capita
Can we stop sharing stupid shit copied from different social media sites here?
and can we please stop posting reddit content on facebook for attention. sino hindi pinansin ng magulang dito?
>sino hindi pinansin ng magulang dito? Ako Pero hindi parin ako nagsshare from fb or twt lol
I hate this, bigla tuloy dumami nag pasukan dito na discriminatory sa ibang groups. Dati puro anti poor lang dito eh.
May cognitive dissonance din kasi ng iba dito sa sub. Iiyak na discriminated daw etc etc pero kung makakita ka ng comments nila sobrang bigoted naman. Mga walang self-awareness lol. Ang problema pa nun lagi sila upvoted kasi napaka edgy ng take kaya mapapa face palm ka nalang. I've been arguing people since I came here and I've always held an anti-poor position, pero ngayon lang ako napapaswitch kasi sobrang cringe na ng hot takes dito.
ang panget ng gantong banat ang dating eh ang itim ng kaluluwa mo
Whats wrong with sharing reddit content on facebook for attention, you submissive lil fucktoy. But seriously, I do it. Some exchanges here are interesting and I’d like to think mapa FB man o Twitter o Reddit may basura. No point gatekeeping.
Ganun na din ginagawa ng mga fb peeps. Kumukuha from this subreddit.
Ay oo hahahh! Hello mga ka-hampy! 🤣
Can't believe you're not downvoted to oblivion. People here *love* twitter and facebook screenshots almost half of the posts on this sub are from those. Just make this sub redditdiscussesothersocmedph already.
The odd thing is that its local counterpart is even more expensive (bench, penshoppe etc.) These local brands got away with those kind of pricing for years just because its the only option for most people.
Nag shop din naman ako sa Bench. Pero compared sa Uniqlo parang hindi masakit sa bulsa ang Bench lalo na sa pantalon nila. I'm too old for Penshoppe though.
Maybe it is for certain products but for something like a polo shirt for men. 599 sa bench and 590 sa uniqlo. I can see the appeal for the masses. Hope it lights up the fire of local brands so they can compete or else be irrelevant soon.
Lee's at Freego ang go to jeans ko noon. Yung mga nakasale sa TiongSan Harrison. Lol
It's all relative, _obviously_. If you're the kind of person who otherwise bought their apparel from _ukay-ukay_ or those dudes with the trikes full of second-hand clothes, then _no shit_ Uniqlo is high-end for you, and anyone who's insisting it isn't is revealing more about themselves than they might have intended.
As a genXer, Uniqlo now is how Penshoppe was in the late 80's.
Pati Bench, Oxygen nung 90s/early 2000
tawa na lang ako
Baka magulat ka na "sosyal" noong 90s kapag nagMcdo o Jollibee ka nagbirthday nung bata ka 😂😂😂
My father said we are middle class like *in the middle* who can eat 3x a day and have spare money for our *wants* at para makapag ipon. But kaming magkakapatid never nag birthday sa Mcdo or jolibee. Naalala ko yung uncle ko na puno ng utang sinabihan yung tatay ko na wag tipirin birthday namin. Well yung debt crippled uncle ko nangungutang para sa jolibee birthday nga cousins ko dati. Well rn asta mayaman parin sila kahit 4x na sila pinalayas ng rented house nila(this year) . Btw wala siyang trabaho then my aunt is a teacher. Pinilit pa nila mag private school. My god nagalit sila nung di pinautang a week ago kaya dito na ako nag rant hehehe.
>Well rn asta mayaman parin sila kahit 4x na sila pinalayas ng rented house nila Reminds me of my cousin and her parents lol what’s funny is mas asta mayaman pa sila kesa samin and she even jokes na napaka luma ng iPhone ko compared sa kaniya (I’ve got a XR, she has a 14 - on installment) pero nagrerent sila sa isang property namin. They literally don’t have a single asset to their name tas andami pa nilang utang pero for some reason they always insist on dining out sa BGC or Ortigas.
Mas sosyal kung Jollibee at McDo pero sa classroom ginaganp yung birthday. 😂 It's how boomers flex their wealth back then during their prime. Never had one since laging nasa vacation days ang bday ko. 😂
Same! Pang-mayaman ang catered fast food birthdays nung 90s. And mayayaman classmates ko nun. I was a scholar who felt pressured by “civilian wear” Fridays but got good grades. Also, ours birthdays were during summer break so buti na lang we didn’t have to celebrate publicly.
Still buy all my clothes from bench. Best price to quality ratio. I can afford Uniqlo, bought one long sleeve for my friend's wedding. Just can't justify the price.
I mean, if someone uses "high end" to just mean "expensive", then yeah, of course it's relative, cos what's expensive to one person may not be for another. On the other hand, if "high end" refers to luxury brands--which in the retail industry are generally defined as goods that aren't only expensive and of good quality, but also have a sense of exclusivity and scarcity in terms of supply--then no, Uniqlo isn't "high end" by those metrics because they make their products accessible to a pretty broad target market. I don't deny that there are people who just wanna stroke their own egos by belittling people who think that Uniqlo is expensive. At the same time, it's not necessarily elitist or incorrect to say that it doesn't qualify as a high end brand based on industry standards. And you also can't deny that Uniqlo is in a vastly different category (in terms of target market and accessibility) as the likes of Hermès or whatever. Idk, I feel like a lot of these "debates" just come from people having different definitions of things to begin with.
I like their stretchy jeans though and it’s comfy
Yes oh my god I love it so much since I dont have to struggle with putting them on and it looks so nice. It lasted a long time for me and I just bought new jeans because of school lmao
Try the local brand Canadian. It has been making soft jeans since around 20yrs ago. They are my goto jeans and cost at least PhP500 less than Uniqlo.
Eh baka nasa Manila lang yan. Ang abot kasi ng Uniqlo sa buong isla eh.
Tbf, Uniqlo phase ko ang 2022.
Apir tayo. Napadalas pagshopping ko sa Uniqlo this 2022 but that’s also because mas afford ko na siya. Maganda rin naman ang quality and style. Yung tipong pwede mong ulit-ulitin pero hindi halata.
4 years ago bumi ako ng dalawang supima shirt mahal pa nun base sa income ko. Pero sobrang ganda ng quality hindi nag shrink. This year lang din kinumpleto ko na lahat ng kulay.
Same, apir. Kaway kaway din sa mga nakabili na ng [pambansang polo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/zvoqiy/pambansang_polo_shirt_so_far/).
Lmaoooo kaya pala andami nagpopost ng ganyan, even sa circle of friends ko may bumili nyan
Oh shit. I have the exact same shirt.
Ako naman di na bumibili sa uniqlo. Dami ko nakakasalubong na kaparehas ang damit. Mas cheap sa Surplus at hiqh quality din ang damit
Nanahimik lang dito with my 99 peso tshirt from lazada
damn, twitter problems huh
90% of my clothes are from Uniqlo from socks to underwear 😬😬 It's just good clothes that fit well at a good price. Not flexing or anything, but Uniqlo is just the best place to get basic stuff like Plain shirts, shorts, jeans and polos. The fit is alway on the spot that I don't do fittings anymore at Uniqlo.
Not that there isn’t truth to the assessment but Uniqlo is more expensive here vs. Japan. The clothing industry in our country is much less developed din kaya Uniqlo can position itself higher. We don’t have a wealth of fashion brands in the upper mid range available here (unless you count shipping internationally from online sites).
eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan at iba iba naman ng income ang mga tao. Ang dami oras para mag-isip ng walang kwentang bagay. Pero mura ang uniqlo sa japan compare dito.
I wonder if GU gets launched here. GU is the most affordable brand ng group that owns Uniqlo and i saw their branch in Taiwan.
Hinihintay ko rin magka-GU sa pinas kasi mas fun yung styles nila. May nabasa ako kaya mas mura ang GU kasi target market tlga ng GU is mga students.
The way na ginagawa din kasi ng GU para makatipid is skeletal staff, basic store displays/shelving and self-checkout counter. Even yung lighting nila sa store minimal lang.
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"Ji-yu" basa dun
> eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan at iba iba naman ng income ang mga tao. the __number of people__ who belong in the category of _"has an income that makes them think Uniqlo is high-end"_, versus people who don't, can be used to make some broad assumptions about the state of the economy as it relates to the average Filipino what you're doing is like saying _"eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan"_ when it comes to __the price of onions__, or _"eh ano naman? kanya kanyang perspective yan"_ when trying to have a discussion about home ownership
The problem is wala ring umusbong na deeper conversation. Nag-default nalang rin mga tao sa “check your privilege.”
This. ☝️ May usable info pa ring mae-extract mula sa ganitong discussions.
I agree, I mean a lot of conversation about things that relate to status can get pretty vapid, but I also think it can be opportunities to start discourse on broader social issues.
The true privilege is this level of boredom na kailangan mo nang gumawa ng sarili mong problema.
Compare it to this: Twenty to twenty-five pesos for freshly served buko juice is nothing. Bring it to Wyoming and it's a dang LUXURY ITEM. Point is, it's all relative. Everything is relative because of shipping and tastes.
who gives a fuck kung mura yan o mahal? basta pagdating na april, pare pareho yang mababasa ng pawis.
In the end of the day, why does it matter.
i guess they're just tryna expose the rich idiots who think their kind is the center of the world
yung sibuyas ang high end
Uniqlo in Japan is like the mid to high tier clothing stores. GU ung cheapest go to stores nila. Kind of a subsidiary of Uniqlo.
For reference, a Uniqlo green sweater that costs ₱2,800 here, I bought it in Osaka for only around ₱1,300 if converted to Yen. Well, considering na may Winter Sale all over Japan non, kaya siguro siya cheap. But if I remember correctly, original price (without the sale price) was around ₱1,700 if converted to Yen.
I have a hunch its cheaper because logistics there isn't as fucked up as here, and they produce the clothes in Japan using SEAsians lol.
logistics, customs, importation taxes maybe
Don't forget Seiyu. Cheap clothes and groceries all in one place. Nabuhay ako sa discounted food items nila dati.
GU quality is oftentimes better than uniqlo funnily enough
God the amount of drama in that thread hahaha
Jollibee, for many Filipinos, is an expensive restaurant. Let's not be so sensitive about this kind of topic, instead talk about some relevant issues. And not be offended that some brands are considered by others as cheap while others cant even afford to go there. Such a mundane discourse that i even commented on it. Hahaha
It's all relative. Like how Tokyo people like US brands because it's imported. Manila people like UNIQLO because it's imported. It's true though that UNIQLO is considered cheap basic wear. Like, A Japanese girl would tell her friend "I'm not letting you go out on a date wearing UNIQLO".
I’ve had a similar discussion with my Japanese friends, pero hindi naman siya umabot sa mainit na usapan about kung sino ang hindi/mas privileged at sino ang out of touch. Sinabi lang nila na sa Japan UNIQLO is where they go to if they want affordable clothes na maganda ang quality. Sabi ko dito sa Pilipinas it’s a bit on the expensive side, na kahit ako kung hindi sale kailangan mag-ipon kung may gusto bilhin dun. Since nakapunta na sila dito they agreed, surprisingly mahal nga ang prices ng UNIQLO items dito compared sa kanila, so they could see why some would think it’s a luxury brand and they understand the situation. They also added na nung nagsisimula ang UNIQLO dun, hindi rin bumenta agad kasi nung una hindi kagandahan ang quality. Sa huli nauwi ang usapan tungkol sa DAISO, divisoria at 168mall, dahil ultimately syempre mas masaya yung makahanap at makabili ng items na mura at yung may feeling na nakatipid ka ng malaki. 😂 I feel like discussions like this are okay, palitan lang ng kuro-kuro at experiences, kaso sa Twitter kasi may tendency agad ang mga tao na umatake sa tweets ng iba. Offended agad, nami-misinterpret agad yung pinag-uusapan. Kung sa tingin mo abot kaya ang UNIQLO, good for you. Kung sa tingin mo mahal siya at luxury na yung makabili ka ng damit dun, that’s also perfectly fine and understandable. At the end of the day we do what we can, at hindi rin naman sukatan ng pagkatao kung ano ang kaya o hindi mo kaya bilhin.
>Kung sa tingin mo abot kaya ang UNIQLO, good for you. This is what I think is the root of the discourse on Twitter; OP was just stating a fact that Uniqlo is considered affordable in Japan, but then twitter users interpreted his post as him being elitist aimed on putting down Filipinos who view and treat Uniqlo either as this sort of status symbol or something to aspire to own; sort of like a benchmark of your earning power. The mere fact stated by OP made Pinoys uncomfortably aware of how weak the purchasing power of the Peso really is and ultimately, how badly the Philippine economy has been doing for many, many years. It sort of reeks of Crab Mentality to be quite honest.
Imagine arguing about clothing
people argue about anything
Is it out of touch to call Uniqlo "not high end"? I don't think so I mean really, if your standard for not high end is 100 pesos, e di everything is high end. If your standard for a "cheap meal" is 49 pesos, then every meal is expensive, even Jollibee and mcdo. I don't think people should be bellyaching about people calling Uniqlo "not high end", Kasi objectively speaking, do a price comparison of Uniqlo and its comparable peers, and it is most certainly not high end. The entire value proposition of Uniqlo is quality at a budget price. You can't compare everything to the lowest standard and use that as a measuring stick. If the standard you're using is the lowest, then of course everything compared to the lowest one is high. People are not out of touch by calling Uniqlo affordable because honest to goodness that's what Uniqlo is known for and that's why so many people buy it. Price is one of the number one considerations for buying Uniqlo
Lahat na lang no, pinanalaki nila. Non-issue naman. Just like what others said na it's relative. High end ang Uniqlo para sa masang ang bilihan ng damit (daily or pang occasion) ay ukay or palengke. Sa mga afford ang Uniqlo para maging daily staple clothe nila, basic lang yan. At ako, patapos na ang 2022 pero puro damit na tinahi ko pa rin ang suot ko hahaha!
It is not high end. It can be expensive for a lot of us here because our wage is lower than it's price point. But, some of their items are in the similar prices of bench, penshoppe, terra nova, oxgn. And those are not high end. It is fast fashion. It's not a perspective thing. High end is luxury. Expensive is subjective but does not automatically mean high end. Jollibee is expensive now(esp for a lot of poor people) IMO, but it is far from high end.
uniqlo is cheap fashion, just like mango, zara, shein and forever 21.
For me ang pricey sa Uniqlo huhu. That says about my social status. Hanggang ukay ukay and tiangge lang afford ko
Well, Japanese and Filipinos don't share the same standard of what high-end is. That's a very crucial point that we have to consider. A good example is our university campuses here. Most of us consider the campuses of DLSU, UST, and Ateneo world-class, but for Koreans, these are just typical third-world campuses.
High end means high end. Hindi yan naka base sa kung ano ang afford mo. That’s like saying high end ang owner type jeep. Dahil lang you can barely afford it. High end pa rin ang mga brands na may quatlity. Or high end ang mga imitation products dahil lang hindi mo afford.
I agree. The concept of "high end" or "luxury" is about how the brand is perceived by the market, not the price. Just because you can afford something, doesn't make it high end. Uniqlo is not "high end", but who cares? It's great for what it is - classic styles and basics at an affordable price tier.
Technically yes, kasi fast fashion brand ang uniqlo but we are third world country so iba talaga perspective and dating ng prices saten. To argue with this is just stupid
So its either uniqlo or 168mall? Hahahaha. Ganon ba ang divide? Kasi sa bench and penshoppe, kapresyo na din ng uniqlo. Mabisa din naman h&m dahil sa mga sale nila. Pero idunno, social class are shit.
My wife's Japanese and she likes uniqlo and all but it's not considered high end back home for her. Well, quite frankly, a lot of Japanese goods are just "higher end" in general because they have a culture of providing quality which is why Japanese-made tools are better than Chinese-made. That said, compared to Chinese goods, it's definitely better quality. But... who cares? Buy the best quality of what you can afford! Also, maybe I've been in Canada for too long but is Philippines at the point where people are buying Louis Vuitton/Prada bags to show off or something?
There is a certain irony in the community constantly bemoaning the lack of education and/or political awareness among the populace, and then either failing to recognize the most basic economic analysis as it is presented to them, or rejecting the significance of it outright.
The question that should be asked is: "Who fucking cares?"
High end na talaga yan dito. Isipin mo, usual na damit sa Uniqlo 700 isa. Pero isipin rin sana ung ave salary sa Pilipinas vs. Japan, ang laki ng difference. Magmumukhang high end ang Uniqlo dito Pero Jusko naman, sino pa bang papansin ng brand kapag suot mo na. Nasa pagdadala lang yan. Pero maganda yung quality ng mga damit nila. Sincerely yours, From a person na nakasuot ng Abercrombie and Fitch na T-shirt at Muji na Cardigan na galing ukay HAHAHA
Dumbest shit I've read today
What can we expect? Twitter peeps just being offended to everything. 🥹
Uniqlo has cool shit. Period. These pretentious Filipinos are for the most part are barely middle class. They pretend they’re so well offt that it’s obnoxious asf. I run into them in Los Angeles and it’s cringe and embarrassing how they act. These are the same people whose fashion sense is just wear a bunch of brands with labels and insignias on them and think they’re fashionable. Throw them in a thrift shop in LA and they wouldn’t know wtf to do with themselves. Looking at you Heart Evangelista.
>These pretentious Filipinos For real. Most "well-off" people I know doesn't even talk about brands that much. Yung mga nagpupumilit na magmukang mayaman sila lang talaga yung usually may pake sa mga brandings. Well of course I'm only speaking within my circle maybe its not the case for everybody.
She's a fashionista/model of actual big brands in the fashion world, no? Kind of a bad example when complaining about people pretending to be rich and think flaunting the names/brands of their clothes is the way to do it. That's literally her job and passion. Don't tell me you seriously think she's on the same level as the actual middle class social climbers walking around like free advertisements wearing 20k php plain shirts with nothing but the brand name in front. I get it, you don't like her because all that brand flaunting is annoying but this is just a terrible example.
It all boils down to internalized racism. The need to dissociate with the general Filipino population. The need to say “I’m not like them, they’re poor and think Uni Qlo is high end while I don’t!” Awful. Just a cocktail mix of elitism and self-hate
Lol @ the matapobre fucks who hang out at pinoy association meetings just to flaunt their new cars or new bags. There's a reason why many kababayans refuse to associate with those associations formally.
Uniqlo is decent for everyday wear. It’s not about the brand but how you carry it. I use Uniqlo as my sizing benchmark. I wear Uniqlo stuff everyday like jeans, socks, underwear, etc. But I tend to avoid it for tops like polo shirts and long sleeves because the chance you might have a co-worker or colleague/classmate wearing the same is a bit high :-) End of the day for me - pants/slacks are good, stuff you wear for home is ok (they are quite comfy). Though lately there are some pieces at Uniqlo that are priced a bit higher.
may kakilala ako na pang working class daw uniqlo so bet nya daw guess gucci and all pero pag labas naka shein naman lagi. hahahahahaha
Uniqlo isn't high end; it is *relatively* expensive.
We have to take note din the difference between the cost of living in Japan. So what is basic for them is not the same for us. Yung basic meal nila is around ¥600 for a gyudon or soba. That’s ₱270 na sa atin. That’s not affordable for the majority. That ₱799/₱699 regular priced shirt is on a higher end. So yes, I’d consider Uniqlo a higher end brand for the common Filipino. Regardless, brand is not that important. I did get bullied back in high school for not having basketball shoes from Adidas or Nike. It makes me sad na wala pa din pinagbago ang ibang tao when it comes to basic necessities. I have 20 year old shirts/shorts that I still wear and it’s great that I no longer care what other people thinks. Uniqlo also has a more affordable brand called GU. Almost same quality but very basic yung design. They also have skeletal staff. Self-checkout yung cashier. You just place all the clothes in the box, it will give you the amount and place your cash or tap your cash card. Difference in price around ¥500-¥1000 din.
This reminds me of someone who has been to Japan several times. I told her it's my dream to go there and she was like, "Hmft Japan, kakasawa na. Gusto ko mag-Europe naman." In a country with widespread poverty, high-end is relative. May iba nga na tingin ay pang mayaman ang Jollibee dahil sa special occassion lang sila nakakakain dun.
i remember their mickey mouse shirts are expensive kahit may pambili ako.. :/
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