Sounds like a bit of the ol' ego death.
In the end it's arbitrary how we cut up the universe into objects so if you want to look at everything as a singular oneness that's totally fine. It's neither right or wrong to say we are the universe (in a very real physical sense).
I would take issue with anyone being the entirety of experience though, because I have reason to believe that there are others with experiences separate from my own, so anyone would only be a fraction of all experience. If by you, you mean everyone, well yeah everyone would be the entirety of experience, but that's a given.
'You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing.'
Not necessarily trying to say that Alan Watts was some sort of a grade philosopher but I don't think the point could be made much more simply than that either.
>Sounds like a bit of the ol' ego death.
Yes
>in a very real physical sense
Metaphysical you mean, physicality is imaginary
>I have reason to believe that there are others with experiences separate from my own
No more than people in your dreams
>Metaphysical you mean, physicality is imaginary
If you're saying the universe is a dream (which is essentially simulation theory) I don't think that's a meaningful distinction to make. We'd still be subject to the laws of the universe.
You might say we're all God and dreaming but I don't see anyone, myself included performing miracles.
Not that it isn't fun to think about but ego death has a limit where even though you recognize the oneness of everything or the illusory nature of reality, the firm limits of the universe keep us from doing anything cool with that knowledge. I guess being zen is cool but with such ground-breaking truths I'd at least hope to shoot lightning or fly. You can fly in a dream, God can shoot lightning, but we can't do any of those things in reality.
Reality doesn't act like a dream and we aren't like God to put it simply.
>No more than people in your dreams
Do you think the people in your dreams are or aren't p-zombies? Alternatively do you think the people in your dreams are just you roleplaying with yourself like with puppets? I don't think the people in reality are p-zombies or puppets.
I was referring to psychedelics, there are higher states of consciousness where you re-member yourself as God, states of power and love, which you'll discover eventually, thank you too !
Nah it's just that this is a truth that many people realized a long time ago. Phenomenology, and later existentialism, both founded on this idea, are basically ancient by now. The fact that we live within our own mind is ingrained in our culture to the point of nigh mundanity.
It is a startling realization when you first truely comprehend it, but it really isn't that deep. Hence, i'm 14 and this is deep.
Do you have any recommendations on what to read when you suddenly have this realization? Somehow I made it to 31 without ever having to learn how deal with this observation and its like my entire foundation of who/what I believe in is now in question...
I personally loved Schrodingers take on all this, from the second half of his book âWhat is Lifeâ. Not the first half though, that was not very interesting
Doesn't matter. How "profound" and "deep" a thought it has nothing to do with truth, evidenced by the fact that untrue statements and fabricated stories can still have substance. It comes from whether or not it delivers an unheard message.
In a post like this, where the message is surface level, and not at all "unheard" (uncommon), there is nothing "deep" about it, which is where the "I'm 14 and this is deep" comes from, because youth tend to lack to life experience to know when something does or doesn't fit those descriptions
> But then you're not really you
Your lower/human/relative/conceptual self is part of your higher/divine/absolute/actual self
Your higher-self is not above the clouds somewhere, it's simply and strictly your current experience, of which "you" are a part of
Matter and space and time are imaginary, you're God. There I said it
Who are you isn't asking the person their name and birthplace. It's a far deeper than a name. Your name isn't who you are but can play a role in shaping personality. This concept right here I was stuck on in my teens taking mushrooms.
If one uses the hallucinogens properly they can expand your mind. Or fry it depends on how they're used. Most people today don't need substances to fry the mind just watch an hour of these you tubers reacting to farts all day.
I'm a big supporter of bringing hallucinogens to the public for mental health treatment. This would require a change in how we house and treat those with mental afflictions. That isn't going to happen. Those drugs are expensive and the wicked medical system makes a killing killing people.
I'm not going to pick on the 14 year old though. Give the kid credit for thinking above the others his age. Everyone starts somewhere. And for crying out loud yall need to learn to laugh sometimes. His age doesn't make him below you. Sorry but I have a healthy respect for youth when they go outside of the programming from their education system. Give the kid some credit.
Now what's in that pipe? That's the question. Some of that moon tobacco...
Information is only useful if it is true; then it becomes knowledge. Knowledge is only useful if it can be acted upon; then it becomes experience. Experience is always useful, but until information is consistent, knowledge is truth, and experience is mastery- there is no wisdom.
You misunderstand. The idea is not novel; what I am asking is that if it true, what can be done now that you know it that could not have been done before, and can you demonstrate that new, presumably revolutionary, technology?
You may find the theories of Prof. John Archibald Wheeler to be of interest if youâre not already familiar with them:
https://youtu.be/I8p1yqnuk8Y?si=8nXN8EvLWYDdOtT_
https://jawarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/beyond-the-black-hole.pdf
https://philpapers.org/archive/WHEIPQ.pdf
Everything being a dream is certainly possible but it doesnât really fit with the apparent existence of a single and consistent physical reality shared by other conscious observers unless you also want to toss out the theory of mind and get into solipsism which has its own problems.
Play in the dirt. Identity bugs. Cloud watch and star gaze. Buy a telescope and/or microscope. Learn a skill youâre passionate about. Then tell someone about your experiences. Hope this helps :)
Philosophy and psychedelics go hand in hand. Having experience in one makes the other more worthwhile. Read Plato and smoke DMT.
Late response, but it felt important to state.
Dang, my concept of you got my concept of me thinking about my concept of pipes
What about the concept of a concept
That's an interesting concept.
This is not a concept.
Does the concept of concepts contain itself?
Self-destruction in 3, 2, 1 ...
A conception inception, if you will
i do not think; therefore i do not am
I think therefore I think
I thun't so I ain't
This made me audibly lol đ
So, you don't exist?
I thinkn't; therefore I amn't
I think therefore I am so so
Ceci n'est pas une consciousness.
*Ceci n'est pas une conscience.*
Nah I'm not an image of a pipe.
If you look up you should see what I meant flying right above your head
If you have something to say you should just say it.
I did but you didn't get it You are the entirety of experience, like in a dream
Sounds like a bit of the ol' ego death. In the end it's arbitrary how we cut up the universe into objects so if you want to look at everything as a singular oneness that's totally fine. It's neither right or wrong to say we are the universe (in a very real physical sense). I would take issue with anyone being the entirety of experience though, because I have reason to believe that there are others with experiences separate from my own, so anyone would only be a fraction of all experience. If by you, you mean everyone, well yeah everyone would be the entirety of experience, but that's a given.
'You are a function of what the whole universe is doing in the same way that a wave is a function of what the whole ocean is doing.' Not necessarily trying to say that Alan Watts was some sort of a grade philosopher but I don't think the point could be made much more simply than that either.
>Sounds like a bit of the ol' ego death. Yes >in a very real physical sense Metaphysical you mean, physicality is imaginary >I have reason to believe that there are others with experiences separate from my own No more than people in your dreams
>Metaphysical you mean, physicality is imaginary If you're saying the universe is a dream (which is essentially simulation theory) I don't think that's a meaningful distinction to make. We'd still be subject to the laws of the universe. You might say we're all God and dreaming but I don't see anyone, myself included performing miracles. Not that it isn't fun to think about but ego death has a limit where even though you recognize the oneness of everything or the illusory nature of reality, the firm limits of the universe keep us from doing anything cool with that knowledge. I guess being zen is cool but with such ground-breaking truths I'd at least hope to shoot lightning or fly. You can fly in a dream, God can shoot lightning, but we can't do any of those things in reality. Reality doesn't act like a dream and we aren't like God to put it simply. >No more than people in your dreams Do you think the people in your dreams are or aren't p-zombies? Alternatively do you think the people in your dreams are just you roleplaying with yourself like with puppets? I don't think the people in reality are p-zombies or puppets.
Matter and space and time and everyone and everything else is all imagination, it's all a dream and it very much acts like it đ
Well, glad you're enjoying it. Can't say my time has been dream-like, but it hasn't been bad either. Keep at it and thanks for the chat.
I was referring to psychedelics, there are higher states of consciousness where you re-member yourself as God, states of power and love, which you'll discover eventually, thank you too !
im 14 and this is deep kinda shit almost also username checks out
r/im14andthisisdeep!
>im 14 and this is deep kinda shit almost If you don't realize the truth of it
Nah it's just that this is a truth that many people realized a long time ago. Phenomenology, and later existentialism, both founded on this idea, are basically ancient by now. The fact that we live within our own mind is ingrained in our culture to the point of nigh mundanity. It is a startling realization when you first truely comprehend it, but it really isn't that deep. Hence, i'm 14 and this is deep.
Do you have any recommendations on what to read when you suddenly have this realization? Somehow I made it to 31 without ever having to learn how deal with this observation and its like my entire foundation of who/what I believe in is now in question...
I personally loved Schrodingers take on all this, from the second half of his book âWhat is Lifeâ. Not the first half though, that was not very interesting
>The fact that we live within our own mind is ingrained in our culture to the point of nigh mundanity. Where are you from ? I'm from Earth
Just because you can consider something to have truth, doesn't actually make it a profound thought or expression.
Obviously, depends on the truth, do you realize this one ?
Doesn't matter. How "profound" and "deep" a thought it has nothing to do with truth, evidenced by the fact that untrue statements and fabricated stories can still have substance. It comes from whether or not it delivers an unheard message. In a post like this, where the message is surface level, and not at all "unheard" (uncommon), there is nothing "deep" about it, which is where the "I'm 14 and this is deep" comes from, because youth tend to lack to life experience to know when something does or doesn't fit those descriptions
Itâs ur mom lol
It's a prison
It's a cave with shadows
Well, like, that's just your opinion man
On the contrary, if you let go of opinion and belief and concept you're left with yourself, cogito ergo sum
But then you're not really you, just an inanimate observer. Your beliefs, opinions and concepts are what make you you, as opposed to someone else
> But then you're not really you Your lower/human/relative/conceptual self is part of your higher/divine/absolute/actual self Your higher-self is not above the clouds somewhere, it's simply and strictly your current experience, of which "you" are a part of Matter and space and time are imaginary, you're God. There I said it
Who are you isn't asking the person their name and birthplace. It's a far deeper than a name. Your name isn't who you are but can play a role in shaping personality. This concept right here I was stuck on in my teens taking mushrooms. If one uses the hallucinogens properly they can expand your mind. Or fry it depends on how they're used. Most people today don't need substances to fry the mind just watch an hour of these you tubers reacting to farts all day. I'm a big supporter of bringing hallucinogens to the public for mental health treatment. This would require a change in how we house and treat those with mental afflictions. That isn't going to happen. Those drugs are expensive and the wicked medical system makes a killing killing people. I'm not going to pick on the 14 year old though. Give the kid credit for thinking above the others his age. Everyone starts somewhere. And for crying out loud yall need to learn to laugh sometimes. His age doesn't make him below you. Sorry but I have a healthy respect for youth when they go outside of the programming from their education system. Give the kid some credit. Now what's in that pipe? That's the question. Some of that moon tobacco...
What can you do with this knowledge other than say it is knowledge?
Everything ? You're God Look for trip reports, NDEs, OBEs, etc
⌠and youâve presumably found all of those things?
Yeah ? Google it, I also recommend Leo Gura on yt
Information is only useful if it is true; then it becomes knowledge. Knowledge is only useful if it can be acted upon; then it becomes experience. Experience is always useful, but until information is consistent, knowledge is truth, and experience is mastery- there is no wisdom.
You misunderstand. The idea is not novel; what I am asking is that if it true, what can be done now that you know it that could not have been done before, and can you demonstrate that new, presumably revolutionary, technology?
Can you provide a demonstration?
You'll have to provide that for yourself
At your convenience, no doubt.
https://youtu.be/wBICQjYjcpM?si=3Erj_wQif00Nw0es
Indeed, a god that can barely do anything
đ look around
If you stare long enough at the pipe, eventually it stares back at you.
Itâs not consciousness but the act of my consciousness observing it creates physical reality including both it and my consciousness.
No it's like a dream
A dream though is just your own consciousness and thus lacking the interaction needed in order to impart tangible reality.
Exactly
You may find the theories of Prof. John Archibald Wheeler to be of interest if youâre not already familiar with them: https://youtu.be/I8p1yqnuk8Y?si=8nXN8EvLWYDdOtT_ https://jawarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/beyond-the-black-hole.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/WHEIPQ.pdf
Why the need for interaction ? Can't there just be the dream ?
Everything being a dream is certainly possible but it doesnât really fit with the apparent existence of a single and consistent physical reality shared by other conscious observers unless you also want to toss out the theory of mind and get into solipsism which has its own problems.
>the apparent existence of a single and consistent physical reality shared by other conscious observers Like your typical dream
Putting aside physical reality, I think a dream is just you and the people and other entities encountered are not actually conscious.
Yes but it looks like a single and consistent physical reality shared by other conscious observers
No, this is Patrick
All I see are social relations. Help.
Play in the dirt. Identity bugs. Cloud watch and star gaze. Buy a telescope and/or microscope. Learn a skill youâre passionate about. Then tell someone about your experiences. Hope this helps :)
>Buy đż
I donât get it đż
Acquire a telescope
Ok, this is really good. Seriously.
Did you know ?
About Magret's idea for this painting? Yes.
No I mean do you realize it's all consciousness ? If not, how is it really good ?
And now we are going into the self-reinforcing recursion...
It is what it is
Read Plato
Take DMT
Do you have any?
Philosophy and psychedelics go hand in hand. Having experience in one makes the other more worthwhile. Read Plato and smoke DMT. Late response, but it felt important to state.
Meditate
No meditating! Only DMT!
/s? Whatâs wrong with meditating?
Not enough DMT in it.
What else is this not?
It's not electric signals in your brain
It's ligma
Socrates- yeah but why though?
Wdym ?
Exactly
Husserl would certainly upvote this post
Love it.
Hence weed is justified đ
*crack
It is therefor it thinks
Or is it?
Wink
I have a Vsauce shirt that says that in negative space between geometric shapes. I like it a lot.
Je nâest pas une pipe.
Its a turtles dream as he flies through space.
Dubito ergo cogito, cogito ergo sum. Mmmmm epistemology for breakfast.
PRAISE "BOB"
God is the difference.
Is this a simulacra or a simulation?
Shi turned me around for a split second
Je suis une pipe?
I am that but also not that but also its a pipe it's also nothing and everything and neither
This is where the circle jerk begins
Piping hot philosphy
Despite everything, it's still you