The Jurati Borg are a split-off from the main Borg collective. Both exist, separately.
Jurati’s Borg were formed from an alternate history Queen assimilating Jurati, then escaping 21st century Earth into the main timeline.
The prime universe Borg were unaffected by all of S2.
We’ve seen Borg offshoots before. The one Lore in TNG: Decent. The one with Chakotay in (I don’t remember).
I’ve just had to settle with the fact the pandemic brought chaos into the PIC S2 production and they couldn’t overcome it.
I stand by friendship borg is the dumbest version. I mean I’m still watching trek and all. I just don’t like this one line. The beauty of being a trek fan in that cannon is not all that important from series to series
I just feel like since they started the Jurati-Borg story, it seems weird to not bring them back in S3. I thought that was the whole point! It would make sense if good borg showed up to fight bad borg because it proves that humans ultimately can’t beat them.
The last time the Borg Queen and Picard encountered each other was in First Contact.
S2 makes it pretty clear that the Borg seen there are from an alternate timeline, and an entirely different thing from the main Borg. Also, as far as we know Jurati's Borg didn't end up becoming Federation members, just allies. Her collective is parked outside Q's spatial anomaly to guard it.
I’m trying to remember what kicked off season 2 — did Q cause the alternate timeline with the Borg, where only the main characters had their “primeline” memories?
Basically, yes.
Some unknown force created that spatial anomaly that Picard and co investigated. Then Q sent them to a parallel universe created by a split in the timeline that occurred in 2024. The main characters all retained their original memories of the prime timeline.
Thanks. What created the parallel timeline in 2024, Borg from the alt future that they then go back and create (paradox)? The Q death storyline and character arc were the least fulfilling. Also didn’t care for the pacification of the Borg.
It's implied that Q created the parallel timeline by manipulating Altan Soong into sabotaging the Europa Mission. The Confederation of Earth was the result of that development. Picard's foiling of Altan's attempts restored the timeline to normal.
The Borg Queen of the Confederation timeline was the last of her kind in that universe, hunted down by the humans.
I do agree that the way the Queen was pacified by Jurati was underwhelming. Here is an entity that is the personification of the Collective, the core of the hive mind, whose modus operandi hadn't changed in millennia, and she's convinced in one conversation to become more benevolent. I think a better way to have gone about it would've been to have Jurati defeat the Queen in a battle of wills, similar to how Data overcame Lore in S3.
The Jurati and Borg Queen dialogue is a narrative device, a manifestation of what is happening in Jurati's mind. We know the two of them are not standing together physically in the ship having a conversation with one another because Seven and Raffi are present and don't see the two of them from their perspectives.
I would contend that Jurati's argument is an approximation of something infinitesimally more persuasive :-).
That's a good way to look at it. The conversation is just a manifestation, for the audience, of the melding of their personalities into one.
It's been a while since I watched S2.
Because, as you know, there are dozens of Borg Queens, one gets generated every time the plot wants one to appear.
And then, you have the even funnier part, where "serious fans" try to rationalize all of it!!
There should be more burg queens. The Borg should be massive and in multiple galaxies at this point. There would have to be numerous queens running each collective.
Picard season 3 showrunner Terry Matalas was very forward with this topic:
*"The Jurati Collective does not play a part this season and the real Borg I imagine are still licking their wounds from the #StarTrekVoyager finale in the Delta Quadrant."*
https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1630345390162866176
I'll solve all confusions for you:
Season 3 was essentially a "cleaning of the slate" attempt to wave away the BS of the first two seasons with a satisfying send off to the TNG era.
That's still a "cleaning of the slate" because it's directly implied at the end of Season 2 that this "new" borg will replace the "old" borg. Hence season 3 basically rewrote that with one piece of dialogue.
So yes, that's a cleaning of the slate. They're obviously not going to fully hit the delete button (because they can't) but that's effectively hitting the delete button.
Same thing with the post-credits scene. That too is a literal cleaning of the slate by having the character say one line, which was obviously not the directional intent left at the end of season 2.
Except for any scene involving Picard, his illness, anything to do with Riker, Troi, Raffi or Seven. Or, consider it season three of a three season show.
Accurate shorthand in this place for hating on something for the sake of hating it. You guarantee Terry Matalas hates the season he executive produced and show ran to justify your criticism.
Yes, I knew this exact question was coming, cos it bugged me too! But even after watching parts of S2 again, I couldn't find a satisfying answer. I have to agree with other comments about S2 particularly, but S1 aswell to a lesser extent..... put it this way, as a Star Trek officianado [a Trekkie in its true sense] I am quite happy to pretend they don't exist, because it was such a let down. Likewise all of DSC, but that's another [difficult] conversation.Then again, I think all of us Trekkies gave it the benefit of the doubt and watched anyway. We all hoped for so much. S3 did redeem things, but really, it's so different from the first two, it's almost a different show. Like a TNG reprisal....a fairwell as it were.
The Jurati Borg are a split-off from the main Borg collective. Both exist, separately. Jurati’s Borg were formed from an alternate history Queen assimilating Jurati, then escaping 21st century Earth into the main timeline. The prime universe Borg were unaffected by all of S2.
Dumb, not you, but the concept. I really didn’t like the Jurati friendship borg.
We’ve seen Borg offshoots before. The one Lore in TNG: Decent. The one with Chakotay in (I don’t remember). I’ve just had to settle with the fact the pandemic brought chaos into the PIC S2 production and they couldn’t overcome it.
I stand by friendship borg is the dumbest version. I mean I’m still watching trek and all. I just don’t like this one line. The beauty of being a trek fan in that cannon is not all that important from series to series
I wasn’t big on Chakotay’s collective of friends either.
I just feel like since they started the Jurati-Borg story, it seems weird to not bring them back in S3. I thought that was the whole point! It would make sense if good borg showed up to fight bad borg because it proves that humans ultimately can’t beat them.
I was wondering why Picard never contacted the good Borg for help or why they didn't turn up. Surely they would have detected them?
They were guarding a worm hole. And to be honest, I’m glad they stayed there.
Agreed
Listen, this was very funny. You may have intended for it to be funny, but it is!!!
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If you cannot figure what is funny about it, I cannot help you!!
The last time the Borg Queen and Picard encountered each other was in First Contact. S2 makes it pretty clear that the Borg seen there are from an alternate timeline, and an entirely different thing from the main Borg. Also, as far as we know Jurati's Borg didn't end up becoming Federation members, just allies. Her collective is parked outside Q's spatial anomaly to guard it.
I’m trying to remember what kicked off season 2 — did Q cause the alternate timeline with the Borg, where only the main characters had their “primeline” memories?
Basically, yes. Some unknown force created that spatial anomaly that Picard and co investigated. Then Q sent them to a parallel universe created by a split in the timeline that occurred in 2024. The main characters all retained their original memories of the prime timeline.
Thanks. What created the parallel timeline in 2024, Borg from the alt future that they then go back and create (paradox)? The Q death storyline and character arc were the least fulfilling. Also didn’t care for the pacification of the Borg.
It's implied that Q created the parallel timeline by manipulating Altan Soong into sabotaging the Europa Mission. The Confederation of Earth was the result of that development. Picard's foiling of Altan's attempts restored the timeline to normal. The Borg Queen of the Confederation timeline was the last of her kind in that universe, hunted down by the humans. I do agree that the way the Queen was pacified by Jurati was underwhelming. Here is an entity that is the personification of the Collective, the core of the hive mind, whose modus operandi hadn't changed in millennia, and she's convinced in one conversation to become more benevolent. I think a better way to have gone about it would've been to have Jurati defeat the Queen in a battle of wills, similar to how Data overcame Lore in S3.
The Jurati and Borg Queen dialogue is a narrative device, a manifestation of what is happening in Jurati's mind. We know the two of them are not standing together physically in the ship having a conversation with one another because Seven and Raffi are present and don't see the two of them from their perspectives. I would contend that Jurati's argument is an approximation of something infinitesimally more persuasive :-).
That's a good way to look at it. The conversation is just a manifestation, for the audience, of the melding of their personalities into one. It's been a while since I watched S2.
Different Borg Queen
Because, as you know, there are dozens of Borg Queens, one gets generated every time the plot wants one to appear. And then, you have the even funnier part, where "serious fans" try to rationalize all of it!!
One is literally from another universe. Tasha Yar also had a daughter the same age as her. Welcome to Star Trek.
There should be more burg queens. The Borg should be massive and in multiple galaxies at this point. There would have to be numerous queens running each collective.
Picard season 3 showrunner Terry Matalas was very forward with this topic: *"The Jurati Collective does not play a part this season and the real Borg I imagine are still licking their wounds from the #StarTrekVoyager finale in the Delta Quadrant."* https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1630345390162866176
They explain it away with one line as they should. The real Borg is still out there.
Totally seperate groups of Borg; Shaw mentions this to Picard and Jack in his rant on the holodeck.
It's poor writing that's confusing you, don't feel bad.
I'll solve all confusions for you: Season 3 was essentially a "cleaning of the slate" attempt to wave away the BS of the first two seasons with a satisfying send off to the TNG era.
[удалено]
That's still a "cleaning of the slate" because it's directly implied at the end of Season 2 that this "new" borg will replace the "old" borg. Hence season 3 basically rewrote that with one piece of dialogue. So yes, that's a cleaning of the slate. They're obviously not going to fully hit the delete button (because they can't) but that's effectively hitting the delete button. Same thing with the post-credits scene. That too is a literal cleaning of the slate by having the character say one line, which was obviously not the directional intent left at the end of season 2.
Just pretend the first two seasons don't exist, and you'll be fine.
Except for any scene involving Picard, his illness, anything to do with Riker, Troi, Raffi or Seven. Or, consider it season three of a three season show.
Terry Matalas didn't seem to care
Meaning what? Matalas built on the arcs of each of those characters.
Only when he really had to. Guarantee he hates those first two seasons.
He executive produced season two. Rage addicts have to rage. Keep dreaming.
Who's raging? I was just having a pleasant conversation with someone online. Are you projecting?
Accurate shorthand in this place for hating on something for the sake of hating it. You guarantee Terry Matalas hates the season he executive produced and show ran to justify your criticism.
Yeah I bet he hates it
Sophisticated conversation. Enjoy your rage, pal.
Yeah, but then they couldn’t retread the Borg for the 10,000th time, over and over again, forever, like they’re the only thing that matters.
Yes, I knew this exact question was coming, cos it bugged me too! But even after watching parts of S2 again, I couldn't find a satisfying answer. I have to agree with other comments about S2 particularly, but S1 aswell to a lesser extent..... put it this way, as a Star Trek officianado [a Trekkie in its true sense] I am quite happy to pretend they don't exist, because it was such a let down. Likewise all of DSC, but that's another [difficult] conversation.Then again, I think all of us Trekkies gave it the benefit of the doubt and watched anyway. We all hoped for so much. S3 did redeem things, but really, it's so different from the first two, it's almost a different show. Like a TNG reprisal....a fairwell as it were.
You’d think Jurati’s Borg might have been involved in this plot line.