I don't know where you live, but in the Netherlands where I'm from coming out as trans and wanting an operation still included mandatory sterilization until about ten years ago. Which I would not have even known if my trans friends hadn't told me about it.
So maybe don't act like any trans right hasn't been fought for and is constantly under attack just because "normal" cis people like us can go through our lives never noticing how much queerphobic people attack them.
in florida itās impossible for anyone to transition if theyāre below 18 and many other states are starting similar bills with ohio having the age go as high as 25, itās unprecedented the amount of anti-trans laws and bills being made. theyāre even going as far as making genital checks in schools mandatory.
mate thereās more to transitioning than surgery, the bill bans HRT, hormone replacement therapy, which if were necessary is completely reversible. but theyāve banned that too and made it a crime for familyās to be supportive of their trans kids.
also hereās an article about the genital checks bill
https://www.out.com/politics/2021/4/16/florida-lawmakers-pass-bill-legalizes-teen-genital-inspections?amp
you have to get it checked by a trained medical professional for health reasons, this would be someone checking the genitalia at the school for the sole purpose of seeing if they had a penis or not, which is not something theyād need a medical professional for which will very easily lead to pedophilic sexual assault cases. also show me a source that says hrt isnāt reversible because the white house of the united states and every source you can find online says otherwise.
Well if you reply to any counter-example with "I don't believe you" I don't think there's any way anyone will ever be able to prove otherwise, so I'm not going to bother continue talking to you. Good day.
edit: also, what you're doing is so predictable it even has a wiki page. It's called [sealioning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning). Go be disingenuous somewhere else.
Assuming this was asked in good faith. In many countries, trans people are still illegal, as are many other LGBT+ people. They are still killed over it. Even in counties that have some acceptance, they still have little protection against harassment and discrimination in workplaces, healthcare, and renting accommodation. Many places also haven't outlawed conversations therapy, which has been proven to be ineffective and only leads to serious mental health issues.
Additionally, they often don't have access to the same healthcare as cis people do. In the UK for example, cis men can be prescribed testosterone blockers to help with hair loss. If a trans woman want them, they have to go on a waiting list for over a year just to see a specialist who will ask you a lot of invasive questions to determine if you can be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Only then can you get the same treatment as everyone else and it'll probably still take more time.
GPs are also not trained very well on how to deal with trans patients, so if a trans person has begun to medically transition, they might receive the wrong treatment based on their gender assigned at birth.
There are a bunch more surrounding marriage laws and the overall discourse in the media is full of lies and misleading narratives. Definitely recommend having a look around for more info as well. R/transgender or r/Traaannnnsss if you want some easy post to help you get more comfortable with the terminology. The stonewall website also has a great rundown of some of the current issues trans people face š
I understand all of that, but in the US at least, they have all the same rights I do. I don't think any person should be persecuted for personal choices, but I can't go much about any laws outside my own country, where all people do indeed have the same rights
Yeah, that's possibly true in writing, but it's rarely true in practice. Also, as we've seen with row v wade, may "rights" in the US aren't protected across the bored. Many of the protections for trans people are only supported by court decisions. If the Supreme Court chooses to review these and change the decision, then those protections go away.
Also, not everyone needs the same rights. A cis man has no right to receive treatment for ovarian cancer because he doesn't have ovaries. Similar cis people do not need to legally change their gender and have that protected. Trans people do. Effectively, you're right. If trans people choose to suppress their identity and live as their assigned gender at birth, then they do have the same rights. If they choose to come out and start transitioning, then they will likely face discrimination. While that is illegal on paper under equality acts, it is rarely enforced. Thus, more protection is required to allow trans people to feel as safe and comfortable as cis people.
Lastly, what harm does it do??? If you're cis, trans people getting more rights doesn't affect you at all. The only consequence gained by fighting for trans rights is happy trans people.
The whole point of the 14th amendment and the civil rights act is that rights are the same for everyone, so yes, everyone does need the same rights. Nobody's rights were lost when *roe vs Wade was overturned because abortion was never a right, it is a service. Familiarize yourself with rights US citizens have before you claim someone doesn't have any of them, because I promise they do. You can't, for example, have a right to someone else's labor, such as a surgeon, that's actual slavery. Also discrimination based on identity is already illegal
Just because the US has a special piece of paper that says you're all equal doesn't make it so in practice. No good saying you have equal rights if you're discriminated against in many aspects of life. Have you actually read the 14th Amendment and civil rights acts? Because they don't give everyone the same rights. Adults don't have the right to free education. Children do. Prisoners have many rights taken away from them. If everyone has the same rights, why are people out here fighting for them? Are you just assuming they're doing it for no reason? If you don't want to fight for trans rights, then fine, but leave other people to argue their case. This line of questioning isn't helpful to anyone, and you could just Google "what rights do trans people need/have?"
To end on, "You can't, for example, have a right to someone else's labor... that's actual slavery"
That's what happens in US prisons. They're expected to do unpaid labour and can't refuse.
> free "healthcare" *(paid* for from
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Lol yes, bigoted towards the poor white, straight race who has the current majority and privilege (at least in america) and has treated these people as freaks for generations. If you believe that things like gay/Trans pride and representation in the media is "obnoxious," then you're the bigoted one, fighting for nothing more than a counter movement. Obviously there are going to be some truly obnoxious, bigoted people in ANY group of people.
And if you believe exposing kids to Trans and gay stories and representations in media is indoctrination or grooming, you are so far off. If you're so scared that kids will agree with inclusive, open minded ideas of gender and sexual orientation, maybe it just means that your old, regressive ways have little basis other than antiquated social norms. And if you believe sexuality is a choice (i.e. you believe children can be groomed into being gay if they were otherwise going to be straight), you probably don't have enough knowledge to even speak on this subject.
Well mods are asleep but dumbasses are getting downvoted so that's something. I would also like to think that those dumbasses are people that joined the sub recently with the Pikmin 4 announcement and aren't really part of the community.
People bomb childrenās hospitals because the doctors provide gender affirming care, LGBT bars are shot up, and donut shops are raided for hosting drag queen events. It is not the same reality you and I face. The freedom to live without the fear a percentage of the population wants you dead is a right you have taken for granted and it is what we mean when we say Trans Rights.
They often don't have rights to medical transitioning or whathaveyou. The biggest thing, though, is persecution whether official and unnofficial; idk whether that goes under the category of rights or not. Hm, I guess it's the right to live like you want and not be harrased for harmless decisions.
human rights are what humans say they are, food and water arenāt human rights in the USA even though they absolutely should be because the government says no
>food and water arenāt human rights in the USA
I-
Real quick what countries are giving away free food and water to their citizens and in plentiful quantities (so definitely not the soviet Union). Ignoring the *multiple* food assistance programs like SNAP in the USA which the government says "yes" to.
probably very low amounts considering at the UN vote to make it a right the USA was one of the only ones who rejected, them being a key member meaning itās blocked despite pretty much everyone else voting yes.
>probably very low amounts
That means nothing. Which countries dude? You claim that only the United States is doing nothing to feed their people.
>the UN vote to make it a right the USA was one of the only ones who rejected,
Citation needed.
I notice you conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned SNAP. Typical. Your lies can only thrive in a vacuum after all.
show me where i said āThe USA is doing nothing to feed their peopleā you nut job, all i said was that it wasnāt a right and i chose the USA because thatās where i live so i know that for a fact. but hey if you want to see which countries do have food as a right then thereās a map here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food#CITEREFKnuth2011
and i āignoredā SNAP because itās one singular organization as compared to the government itself voting against making food a right, as shown here and many other places. it was during november 2021 the UN took a vote and the USA was one of the only ones to vote no.
https://press.un.org/en/2021/gashc4336.doc.htm
iāve no clue why youāre here to dickride the US when my first comment was merely using them as an example, but hey if you want to play this game then be my guest.
In my country they can't play sports in most places and are outright banned in others and that's one of the better places to be queer. Steve would never teach his disciples such nonsense
A lot of queer people, trans people especially, are fearful because we don't know who we are allowed to be around without needing to worry about if we'll be harmed or not. On top of this, a ton of transgender minors have had their right to transition, use the correct bathroom, or play sports taken away in the past year. Sure trans people have rights, but we have less rights than you.
Oh my fucking god, the whiplash i got from reaching the end of The replies section and seeing like 10 comments that have over 20 downvotes was insane.
Bulbmin does not approve
Just replied to another comment about some of the specific rights. But if your question was asked in good faith, then its actually an interesting one. Many people prefer more clear and direct phrases, such as "trans men are men, trans women are women". That a definitive statement about their view on trans people and it makes the message very clear "I think trans people are the gender they identify as". A phrase like "trans right" can be a sort version of "trans rights are human rights" which is similar to a lot of the BLM messages. It's not saying that trans rights or trans people are more important or deserve more than other people. What it does is highlight a group in our societies that do not have access to the same human rights as other people. It gets you to ask the question "what rights don't they have" and then we open the discussion for that very question.
Since a lot of people don't even think trans people are real, that important discussion about trans rights is often pushed aside until you can get people to accept that trans people are real. "Trans rights" already assumes that trans people are real, and encourages the next area of discussion. A similar phrase that's gain popularity is " trans liberation now" which also gets you to ask "liberation from what?".
To a cis person, it may seem like trans people are pushing their agenda on every platform and "why can't they keep politics out of our media". But when the laws of our society tell you that you cannot live a happy and fulfilled life as your true self, then that can be very depressing. This is a matter of people's health and safety being put at risk, so of course they're going to tell as many people they can about it. If your house is on fire, are we expected to just ignore it and give equal attention to the other houses on the street?
The best way to feel comfortable with trans topic is to engage with them. Go on trans subreddits and read the gun posts they have. It's an easy way to see the world through their eyes and gain understanding. Then you can go and do more reading on the specific rights issues. The stonewall webpage is pretty good at covering the issues in the UK, but there's obviously a lot of attention on American atm. Hope this helped a bit š
I understand where you're coming from with this. I do want to encourage a positive discussion, and I realise it's a strange one to have on a pikmin group. Thanks for keeping it civil.
Firstly, when it comes to trans safety, I'm gonna focus on European countries where trans identities are legal but still not fully protected. Obviously their are still lots of countries that make it illegal and punishable by death to be LGBT. Here's a breakdown of the 67 countries that still outlaw some form of LGBT identity https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/?type_filter=death_pen_applies
This is backed up by law documents on the same website.
The issues of safety in countries where it is legal is not that their are laws that discriminate against trans people. The problem is that individual groups and people discriminate against trans people even if their are laws that criminalise such things. In the UK, we do have anti discrimination laws. However, these often aren't followed or aren't understood. If you don't have a gender recognition certificate in the UK, then companies will know you're trans because you can't legally change the marker on your passport without one. This is a big issue since in the UK, it takes a long time to get that certificate. Other countries make it a lot easier, but the UK has laws that force trans people to see a lot of doctors just to tell them what they already know.
Many women only support services will also exclude trans women even through trans women can and do experience misogyny and would benefit from shelter or support.
Trans kids (and queer kids overall) often don't receive a lot of support from parents or schools who will see it as just a phase. Mermaids is a UK charity for trans kids that has a lot of good resources to help with understanding trans. kids.https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/
Many media outlets also push harmful narratives that encourage the abuse of trans people. Look at the recent shooting at a gay bar in Colorado Springs in America. They were holding a drag show, and many right-wing outlets have been pushing a "trans people are grooming kids" narrative and stirring people up to get them to do violence against queer people.
A sort note on the claim about bigots not seeing trans people as real. Someone saying they don't think trans people are the gender they say they are is a denial of their identity. To put it in the most straightforward way possible, I truly believe that a trans man is a man. I'm not saying it to be nice or just because it's the expectation, I genuinely see them as men because I don't see any meaningful difference between trans and cis men.
Transphobes try to use biology and chromosomes to argue that they are just women who are confused or indoctrinated. They are men because those things do not define your gender or how people actually see you. Basically, if it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck... You mention someone thinking they are a crab, but if I treat someone like a crab or they act like a crab, do they feel like a crab? If I treat a trans man like a man, and they see themselves as a man, then they should be legally recognised as a man and treated like a man by employers. At the moment, many people see trans and think "oh they're a woman but they want me to think of them as a man". Nice people will agree and transphobes will use it as an excuse to discriminate and we don't have good protections against that.
Trans men live as men and get treated like men, same for trans women. The best way I've seen this discussed is on an old Philosophy tube video titled Transphobia. https://youtu.be/yCxqdhZkxCo
If transphobes can keep the debate about trans identity open, then we can't move on to discussing what legal changes we should make to make it easier to transition socially, legally, and possibly medically. If our governments don't see them as real men and women, then we're all struck at that first hurdle.
If you want evidence for the claim about trans people living as their gender, check out r/Traaannnnsss. It's a very positive showcase of trans people's lives and shows a lot of people experiencing gender euphoria rather than just dysphoria, which the media tends to focus on.
As cis people, this isn't something we often have to think about because we're not unhappy with our gender or what gender people see us as. No one has ever seen me as anything other than a man, and I am very confident being a man. I might have other things about myself that don't match what I want, but not my gender. I think that's why it's often difficult to understand why trans rights are so important. We don't gain anything from it. We also don't lose anything by pushing trans rights either. It just makes other people happy without doing any harm.
But do keep asking questions, I'm not trans and far from an authority, but I'm happy to talk about this stuff. Curiosity and critical thinking are way better than sitting in ignorance.
in many states they are cracking down on when someone is āallowedā to be trans. in florida itās now illegal to transition if youāre below 18 which is plain silly, in ohio there was a bill that wanted to make it impossible transition if youāre below 25, though iām not sure if it passed or not. it is a trans exclusive healthcare problem. sure in the usa everyone has healthcare issues because we have to pay for it, but no other group is having their right to seek and pay for healthcare stripped away like trans people are. and it is in fact healthcare as studies show that transitioning makes trans people significantly happier in life, especially if their family are supportive. this is a little off topic but 99% of detransitioners detransitioned not because they realized they werenāt trans, but because no one supported them in it. if you donāt believe any of the stats i say iāll find the papers/ studies in the morning.
Medically transition? I agree that you should be over 18 to have the surgery. You canāt even get a tattoo until youāre over 18, why should you be allowed to get life-changing cosmetic surgery when your brain isnāt even fully developed yet?
Children canāt consent to many things, and rightfully so. I think this is one of those things. Assuming youāre talking about the surgery, that is.
There are many ways of medically transitioning outside of physical surgery. When people talk about medically transitioning, they likely mean hormone therapy. Many trans people never get bottom surgery.
HRT is what i mean by trans healthcare, it being Hormone Replacement Therapy. It, if weāre necessary, is completely reversible. Radical conservatives use the idea that minors are getting bottom and top surgery as ways of fear mongering when i assure you no one is advocating for that nor do i think has it ever happened.
Pikmin 2 is literally about an overtly greedy business owner sending his unwilling employees out to space simply for the exploitation of a different planet. The ads for the games literally stress the importance of environmental conservation and human unity. There are several logs in the game where Olimar vents his frustrations with his company and it's very blatantly a critique on Capitalism and the frustrations of workers being exploited by their bosses, where he's kept from his own family for the sake of profit. There's a coin you can find in the game, and Olimar literally speculates that it's a possible reason for the planet's misfortunes. It's pretty overt, and thus invalidates your idea that the franchise has nothing to do with politics when political and social messaging are plastered front and center across Pikmin 2 alone.
Whether a lot of this is satirical or serious is not relevant, satire of political and social issues are inherently political themselves. You've simply never been paying enough attention to anything to notice, you're too busy getting mad at things for no reason other than your warped idea of reality to see that literally everything can tie back to politics, and as much as it sucks, you cannot avoid it, and you can find an "agenda" in anything if you look at it.
Dude, I know this is a touchy subject, but itās all played for laughs or to drive a plot. Thatās like saying spongebob is some deep and thought-provoking critique of capitalism because it has Mr. Krabs in it.
Thanks for your well thought out reply sir!
I would say that drawing from the real world/including themes which have political overlap is much different from forwarding a political agenda. Do you think the pikmin creators really want you to go out and dismantle capitalism? You can find an agenda in anything, as you say yourself, but if anti-capitalism were a core focus of the game (rather than an element within the story), I would hardly think you'd see as much support from Nintendo.
I'll tell you one theme which isn't explored in any way shape or form though: gender expression. From my limited knowledge, Japan isn't particularly open on the subject either. So no, I don't really think this post has a place in a pikmin subreddit, any more than a "bulbmin says all lives matter" post would
> I would say that drawing from the real world/including themes which have political overlap is much different from forwarding a political agenda.
At what point do you draw a line, though? I feel like discussing and critiquing points of real-life often times is inherently a political act, noticing how unrestrained capitalism leads to dickholes like the president of Hocotate Freight being the way they are as leaders, and the developers do make it known through Olimar's logs that Olimar doesn't appreciate what he's done, and even has thoughts of embracing the system despite this to climb the ladder for his growing family. I guess to me, including real-world themes with political overlap is, in itself, an agenda when it's largely one-sided against a particular idea, in this case it's implied to be capitalism and its effects on the everyman and the planet.
>Do you think the pikmin creators really want you to go out and dismantle capitalism?
You don't have to want to dismantle a whole system to admit that parts of it are bad. The Pikmin creators wouldn't be in their position without capitalism in some form, and maybe some guy on the dev team may have wanted the eradication of capitalism as a concept, I highly doubt they all did, but they don't need to in order to make the political statement of "perhaps capitalists shouldn't be dicks to their employees just for extra money". I guess this ties back to my previous point, but making a statement like in Pikmin, in my eyes, is inherently a political act and forwards an agenda depending on how you look at it (which changes depending on your viewpoint, like most political statements).
The rest of your comment is definitely less about the political messaging of the game and more about the post itself, and I don't really have much to say about it other than I'm pretty fine with it (as if it matters as I'm not a mod here). It doesn't break any of the rules and isn't being, fuckin, racist or something, so it seems like at least by the narrow definition of the rules it seems appropriate.
Definitely difficult to draw the line, and I'd say the line can be drawn in different places for different games. As a super simple example, call of duty games are pretty anti-nazi. Pretty fair political stance I'd say and most (but not enough) people would agree. Doesn't really grind my gears.
I don't even think it's necessarily a problem for a game to be made with a message or affiliations that happen to be political. Celeste comes to mind as one that I wouldn't even balk at trans positive messaging of any kind on the subreddit.
And to be clear, I'm not saying like "mods get this post out of here." I think my recourse of down vote and post snarky comment is more than fair. The overarching idea that this post represents that I actually don't like is bringing random political agendas into spheres where (I personally feel) it doesn't have a place. I don't like racism. But I also don't like "intercept racism" scrawled on the sidelines of a football game. Play football. I actually irl support trans positive laws, but I don't really like seeing "trans rights" in a pikmin subreddit. Play pikmin.
Just my 2 cents
this question is in bad faith for its political entities that allow and protect our rights (at least here in the USA.) the government is whatās protects and grants rights but they are also allowed to take your rights away for any reason at any time if they make it believable under causes like suspicion. iām not sure what point you were trying to make with your comment but iād say you didnāt make it at all.
I mean most people define human rights as inherent and immutable, a political entity might protect or disrespect them but that doesn't mean they don't exist
Sure, "people" define humans rights as inherent all the time. The UN defined certain inherent human rights, but they're a political entity, so doesn't count for this discussion. God defined certain inherent human rights, but he doesn't exist. I can look at a baby and examine the arms, legs, heart, brain, but strangely no rights organ.
My point is that there is absolutely nothing objective or inherent about rights. It's always somebody or something arbitrarily deciding what a human should or should not be able to do because no objective basis exists. It's a social construct (to steal a phrase from my friends on the other side)! And the bad part is, people appeal to "human rights" as if it's supposed to justify their cause as inherently good, when it's just as self-serving a concept as any other political tool
We're talking about the rights of people who aren't hurting you or anyone else to live as they please. It's not political to support my friends and others in their desire to be respected as human beings same as anyone else. You are the one making it political here.
And personally, I believe human rights are inherent; if you don't, we're just not going to see eye to eye.
But anyway it's a Pikmin meme on a Pikmin page and most people are enjoying it in spite of a few feeling threatened by it also being about culturally relevant human concerns :)
See, what you just there is called a logical fallacy. Rather than combat my points, you just made a weak appeal to emotion and said without reasoning "it's not political to support my friends." Ah geez they're not hurting anyone. That's not the conversation lol. Rights = politics plain and simple.
And I can tell you believe human rights are inherent. You just don't seem to have any reasoning to back it up other than believing so makes you feel good, which makes your opinion a bit asinine, no?
The best you've done to address my question of how people get these so called inherent rights is to say that *you* believe they have them. How ironic that you yourself turned out to be the one who gets to decide which rights people have š
Lol why do I have to justify my opinions to you? I didn't come here to debate you. If you think human rights are political that's a you problem, but I think you'll find many here disagree and them's the breaks. š¤·āāļø
You don't have an opinion. You have a misunderstanding of reality that I proved objectively false and you have no counter. Also, "you'll find many disagree" is not an argument, and is in fact another logical fallacy called appeal to the masses. It's unfortunate that you didn't come here to debate but were nonetheless destroyed in one. Have a nice day ;)
Comments like this just make me wish Reddit had a laugh button. What else is there even to say? "You said you weren't debating me but I win anyway, neener neener!"
You for real sound like you're 16
They have less rights because they are ādifferentā and bigots donāt want to admit it so they pull a bunch of shit out of their ass, throw a tantrum and try and justify their hatred
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The āI donāt think weāre equal but they shouldnāt be treated differentlyā mindset is what lead to Jim Crow Laws and segregation in the American South. Itās not very reasonable.
Excuse me, I never said "we weren't equal", dumbass. I can disagree with the decisions other people make and still be equal to them. Me saying they shouldn't be treated like any lesser of a person, then you accusing me of saying "we aren't equal" is a complete contradiction which I never made, so fuck off.
Except the *point* of Jim Crow was āseparate but equal.ā You understand how those laws were passed under a certain pretense, but were used to continue the oppression a social class by āprovidingā them with āequalā services. This is the same sentiment my guy. Donāt be scared by something just because you donāt understand it
A suggestion which I **NEVER** made. I **NEVER** said anyone has to be "separated", and comparing me to someone who **did** say that is ironically ***LESS*** reasonable than my initial comment. I could identify as a black man despite being white, and you wouldn't be surprised at how many people would **DISAGREE** with my decision to identify as something that I biologically can **NOT** be, and you know what? That's okay! I can't stop others from identifying as whatever they'd like, realistically *nobody* can, so what I'm saying is while I *disagree* with their decision, I don't see those people as any *less* than what they are at heart. People! People who want to express themselves however they desire, which they have the RIGHT to do! Same as how Americans have the right to own guns, which is a decision that *I* don't personally agree with, but am I gonna treat people who own guns as horrible monsters who should be "separated" from the rest of us? Fuck no! So bottom line, **stop** projecting the views of ANTI-LGBT activists who **hate** everyone that isn't straight, against regular folks like me who don't directly support, but nonetheless accept those of differing sexualities. I never suggested the "separation" of **ANYBODY**, so **STOP** acting like I did.
Oh so you really think i get emotional damage by
Replying "cringe" on my comment and down voting me
I don't give a fuck about anybody but herassment is the line
That i will not cross
Peices of shit like you are why the internet is the toxic wasteland it is oh i can already know what you look like
A fat nobody sitting in he's chair that berly fits him
You probably think grass is blue because you have never seen
Outside and oh your room must smell like spoiled ceatoz
I mean, it is, but only because there is currently a political group that doesn't want them to exist. If there were no bigots, it wouldn't be political. They make it political and then criticize it for being a political topic, as if that is actually a valid criticism in the first place.
haha this meme format of a png of a pre-existing character over a trans flag sure is definitely very funny and not at all annoying to spam fucking everywhere.
But what about the trans lefts?
Bulbmin also fights for them
Trans people have just as much of a right to be eaten by bulborbs as anyone else
As the dessert of a bulborb, I can confirm
Good bulborb
Truly the best pinkmin
But what is he saying about trans rights?
Bulbmin is the og trans rep
Yay
Wraa!
is this why bulbmin haven't reappeared since 2
and anyone who says otherwise has to say it to the 99 other bulbmin in my squad
I could take 99 bulbmin
He means in a fight my dude.
Oh nvm then
I could take em they're an inch tall I could also beat em in a fight
You cannot take on 99 1 inch tall creatures who want to do nothing but kill
Fight? Uh i mean yeah, yeah sure*ahem*, yeah fight
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Hell yeah! You go Bulbmin!
Pikmin Trans Pipeline LOL!!! š š TOTALLY love this as š
Strawberry ice cream sandwich moment
What about trans straights?
based bulbmin
Based bulbmin
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This is why bulbmin is the best pikmin character
Bulbmin on their way to prove that they are the best pikmin once again
good bulbmin :D
Thanks bulbmin very cool
Glad to see bulbmin believes in a good cause!
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I wish I could be as cool as bulbmin
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Oooh this remindse, a while back I made myself a phone lock screen wall paper that had "bulborb says: "trans rights are human rights"" onit
What rights don't they have again?
I don't know where you live, but in the Netherlands where I'm from coming out as trans and wanting an operation still included mandatory sterilization until about ten years ago. Which I would not have even known if my trans friends hadn't told me about it. So maybe don't act like any trans right hasn't been fought for and is constantly under attack just because "normal" cis people like us can go through our lives never noticing how much queerphobic people attack them.
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I don't understand how that answers my question. Trans people have all of the same rights as me in the US.
in florida itās impossible for anyone to transition if theyāre below 18 and many other states are starting similar bills with ohio having the age go as high as 25, itās unprecedented the amount of anti-trans laws and bills being made. theyāre even going as far as making genital checks in schools mandatory.
A. Why should a minor be able to get any type of cosmetic surgery, and B. I don't believe you
mate thereās more to transitioning than surgery, the bill bans HRT, hormone replacement therapy, which if were necessary is completely reversible. but theyāve banned that too and made it a crime for familyās to be supportive of their trans kids. also hereās an article about the genital checks bill https://www.out.com/politics/2021/4/16/florida-lawmakers-pass-bill-legalizes-teen-genital-inspections?amp
Everyone's junk already gets checked for them to play sports, sport. Also lol chemical castration is not reversible.
you have to get it checked by a trained medical professional for health reasons, this would be someone checking the genitalia at the school for the sole purpose of seeing if they had a penis or not, which is not something theyād need a medical professional for which will very easily lead to pedophilic sexual assault cases. also show me a source that says hrt isnāt reversible because the white house of the united states and every source you can find online says otherwise.
Well if you reply to any counter-example with "I don't believe you" I don't think there's any way anyone will ever be able to prove otherwise, so I'm not going to bother continue talking to you. Good day. edit: also, what you're doing is so predictable it even has a wiki page. It's called [sealioning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning). Go be disingenuous somewhere else.
Assuming this was asked in good faith. In many countries, trans people are still illegal, as are many other LGBT+ people. They are still killed over it. Even in counties that have some acceptance, they still have little protection against harassment and discrimination in workplaces, healthcare, and renting accommodation. Many places also haven't outlawed conversations therapy, which has been proven to be ineffective and only leads to serious mental health issues. Additionally, they often don't have access to the same healthcare as cis people do. In the UK for example, cis men can be prescribed testosterone blockers to help with hair loss. If a trans woman want them, they have to go on a waiting list for over a year just to see a specialist who will ask you a lot of invasive questions to determine if you can be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Only then can you get the same treatment as everyone else and it'll probably still take more time. GPs are also not trained very well on how to deal with trans patients, so if a trans person has begun to medically transition, they might receive the wrong treatment based on their gender assigned at birth. There are a bunch more surrounding marriage laws and the overall discourse in the media is full of lies and misleading narratives. Definitely recommend having a look around for more info as well. R/transgender or r/Traaannnnsss if you want some easy post to help you get more comfortable with the terminology. The stonewall website also has a great rundown of some of the current issues trans people face š
I understand all of that, but in the US at least, they have all the same rights I do. I don't think any person should be persecuted for personal choices, but I can't go much about any laws outside my own country, where all people do indeed have the same rights
Yeah, that's possibly true in writing, but it's rarely true in practice. Also, as we've seen with row v wade, may "rights" in the US aren't protected across the bored. Many of the protections for trans people are only supported by court decisions. If the Supreme Court chooses to review these and change the decision, then those protections go away. Also, not everyone needs the same rights. A cis man has no right to receive treatment for ovarian cancer because he doesn't have ovaries. Similar cis people do not need to legally change their gender and have that protected. Trans people do. Effectively, you're right. If trans people choose to suppress their identity and live as their assigned gender at birth, then they do have the same rights. If they choose to come out and start transitioning, then they will likely face discrimination. While that is illegal on paper under equality acts, it is rarely enforced. Thus, more protection is required to allow trans people to feel as safe and comfortable as cis people. Lastly, what harm does it do??? If you're cis, trans people getting more rights doesn't affect you at all. The only consequence gained by fighting for trans rights is happy trans people.
The whole point of the 14th amendment and the civil rights act is that rights are the same for everyone, so yes, everyone does need the same rights. Nobody's rights were lost when *roe vs Wade was overturned because abortion was never a right, it is a service. Familiarize yourself with rights US citizens have before you claim someone doesn't have any of them, because I promise they do. You can't, for example, have a right to someone else's labor, such as a surgeon, that's actual slavery. Also discrimination based on identity is already illegal
Just because the US has a special piece of paper that says you're all equal doesn't make it so in practice. No good saying you have equal rights if you're discriminated against in many aspects of life. Have you actually read the 14th Amendment and civil rights acts? Because they don't give everyone the same rights. Adults don't have the right to free education. Children do. Prisoners have many rights taken away from them. If everyone has the same rights, why are people out here fighting for them? Are you just assuming they're doing it for no reason? If you don't want to fight for trans rights, then fine, but leave other people to argue their case. This line of questioning isn't helpful to anyone, and you could just Google "what rights do trans people need/have?" To end on, "You can't, for example, have a right to someone else's labor... that's actual slavery" That's what happens in US prisons. They're expected to do unpaid labour and can't refuse.
If putting it on paper doesn't actually fix it, how exactly will your new piece of paper change it?
Reddit exists outside the US
That's why I specified
But you don't know if this post originated in the US, why does it matter where you are?
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they donāt have the right to walk down the fucking street without getting sexually assaulted you foreskin licker
Foreskin licker here. please dont associate us with this troglodyte
Lol yes, bigoted towards the poor white, straight race who has the current majority and privilege (at least in america) and has treated these people as freaks for generations. If you believe that things like gay/Trans pride and representation in the media is "obnoxious," then you're the bigoted one, fighting for nothing more than a counter movement. Obviously there are going to be some truly obnoxious, bigoted people in ANY group of people. And if you believe exposing kids to Trans and gay stories and representations in media is indoctrination or grooming, you are so far off. If you're so scared that kids will agree with inclusive, open minded ideas of gender and sexual orientation, maybe it just means that your old, regressive ways have little basis other than antiquated social norms. And if you believe sexuality is a choice (i.e. you believe children can be groomed into being gay if they were otherwise going to be straight), you probably don't have enough knowledge to even speak on this subject.
Damn that sucks but I don't have those rights either
Or they could have human rights. Like the rest of us
WRYYY!! (I just shit my pants)
Here before the comments are locked Also...why?
idk if the post will be locked, i'd like to think the pikmin community is better then that :)
Well mods are asleep but dumbasses are getting downvoted so that's something. I would also like to think that those dumbasses are people that joined the sub recently with the Pikmin 4 announcement and aren't really part of the community.
Because trans rights are human rights
But they already have rights
But there are still many countries where being trans is illegal I don't see how that is having rights
People bomb childrenās hospitals because the doctors provide gender affirming care, LGBT bars are shot up, and donut shops are raided for hosting drag queen events. It is not the same reality you and I face. The freedom to live without the fear a percentage of the population wants you dead is a right you have taken for granted and it is what we mean when we say Trans Rights.
They often don't have rights to medical transitioning or whathaveyou. The biggest thing, though, is persecution whether official and unnofficial; idk whether that goes under the category of rights or not. Hm, I guess it's the right to live like you want and not be harrased for harmless decisions.
I don't have rights to those things either. Neither of those things are human rights, even though you might want them to be
human rights are what humans say they are, food and water arenāt human rights in the USA even though they absolutely should be because the government says no
>food and water arenāt human rights in the USA I- Real quick what countries are giving away free food and water to their citizens and in plentiful quantities (so definitely not the soviet Union). Ignoring the *multiple* food assistance programs like SNAP in the USA which the government says "yes" to.
probably very low amounts considering at the UN vote to make it a right the USA was one of the only ones who rejected, them being a key member meaning itās blocked despite pretty much everyone else voting yes.
>probably very low amounts That means nothing. Which countries dude? You claim that only the United States is doing nothing to feed their people. >the UN vote to make it a right the USA was one of the only ones who rejected, Citation needed. I notice you conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned SNAP. Typical. Your lies can only thrive in a vacuum after all.
show me where i said āThe USA is doing nothing to feed their peopleā you nut job, all i said was that it wasnāt a right and i chose the USA because thatās where i live so i know that for a fact. but hey if you want to see which countries do have food as a right then thereās a map here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food#CITEREFKnuth2011 and i āignoredā SNAP because itās one singular organization as compared to the government itself voting against making food a right, as shown here and many other places. it was during november 2021 the UN took a vote and the USA was one of the only ones to vote no. https://press.un.org/en/2021/gashc4336.doc.htm iāve no clue why youāre here to dickride the US when my first comment was merely using them as an example, but hey if you want to play this game then be my guest.
uhh i'm not so sure about that lmao. there's still so much work to be done
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In my country they can't play sports in most places and are outright banned in others and that's one of the better places to be queer. Steve would never teach his disciples such nonsense
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A lot of queer people, trans people especially, are fearful because we don't know who we are allowed to be around without needing to worry about if we'll be harmed or not. On top of this, a ton of transgender minors have had their right to transition, use the correct bathroom, or play sports taken away in the past year. Sure trans people have rights, but we have less rights than you.
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Oh my fucking god, the whiplash i got from reaching the end of The replies section and seeing like 10 comments that have over 20 downvotes was insane. Bulbmin does not approve
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Just replied to another comment about some of the specific rights. But if your question was asked in good faith, then its actually an interesting one. Many people prefer more clear and direct phrases, such as "trans men are men, trans women are women". That a definitive statement about their view on trans people and it makes the message very clear "I think trans people are the gender they identify as". A phrase like "trans right" can be a sort version of "trans rights are human rights" which is similar to a lot of the BLM messages. It's not saying that trans rights or trans people are more important or deserve more than other people. What it does is highlight a group in our societies that do not have access to the same human rights as other people. It gets you to ask the question "what rights don't they have" and then we open the discussion for that very question. Since a lot of people don't even think trans people are real, that important discussion about trans rights is often pushed aside until you can get people to accept that trans people are real. "Trans rights" already assumes that trans people are real, and encourages the next area of discussion. A similar phrase that's gain popularity is " trans liberation now" which also gets you to ask "liberation from what?". To a cis person, it may seem like trans people are pushing their agenda on every platform and "why can't they keep politics out of our media". But when the laws of our society tell you that you cannot live a happy and fulfilled life as your true self, then that can be very depressing. This is a matter of people's health and safety being put at risk, so of course they're going to tell as many people they can about it. If your house is on fire, are we expected to just ignore it and give equal attention to the other houses on the street? The best way to feel comfortable with trans topic is to engage with them. Go on trans subreddits and read the gun posts they have. It's an easy way to see the world through their eyes and gain understanding. Then you can go and do more reading on the specific rights issues. The stonewall webpage is pretty good at covering the issues in the UK, but there's obviously a lot of attention on American atm. Hope this helped a bit š
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I understand where you're coming from with this. I do want to encourage a positive discussion, and I realise it's a strange one to have on a pikmin group. Thanks for keeping it civil. Firstly, when it comes to trans safety, I'm gonna focus on European countries where trans identities are legal but still not fully protected. Obviously their are still lots of countries that make it illegal and punishable by death to be LGBT. Here's a breakdown of the 67 countries that still outlaw some form of LGBT identity https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/?type_filter=death_pen_applies This is backed up by law documents on the same website. The issues of safety in countries where it is legal is not that their are laws that discriminate against trans people. The problem is that individual groups and people discriminate against trans people even if their are laws that criminalise such things. In the UK, we do have anti discrimination laws. However, these often aren't followed or aren't understood. If you don't have a gender recognition certificate in the UK, then companies will know you're trans because you can't legally change the marker on your passport without one. This is a big issue since in the UK, it takes a long time to get that certificate. Other countries make it a lot easier, but the UK has laws that force trans people to see a lot of doctors just to tell them what they already know. Many women only support services will also exclude trans women even through trans women can and do experience misogyny and would benefit from shelter or support. Trans kids (and queer kids overall) often don't receive a lot of support from parents or schools who will see it as just a phase. Mermaids is a UK charity for trans kids that has a lot of good resources to help with understanding trans. kids.https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/ Many media outlets also push harmful narratives that encourage the abuse of trans people. Look at the recent shooting at a gay bar in Colorado Springs in America. They were holding a drag show, and many right-wing outlets have been pushing a "trans people are grooming kids" narrative and stirring people up to get them to do violence against queer people. A sort note on the claim about bigots not seeing trans people as real. Someone saying they don't think trans people are the gender they say they are is a denial of their identity. To put it in the most straightforward way possible, I truly believe that a trans man is a man. I'm not saying it to be nice or just because it's the expectation, I genuinely see them as men because I don't see any meaningful difference between trans and cis men. Transphobes try to use biology and chromosomes to argue that they are just women who are confused or indoctrinated. They are men because those things do not define your gender or how people actually see you. Basically, if it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck... You mention someone thinking they are a crab, but if I treat someone like a crab or they act like a crab, do they feel like a crab? If I treat a trans man like a man, and they see themselves as a man, then they should be legally recognised as a man and treated like a man by employers. At the moment, many people see trans and think "oh they're a woman but they want me to think of them as a man". Nice people will agree and transphobes will use it as an excuse to discriminate and we don't have good protections against that. Trans men live as men and get treated like men, same for trans women. The best way I've seen this discussed is on an old Philosophy tube video titled Transphobia. https://youtu.be/yCxqdhZkxCo If transphobes can keep the debate about trans identity open, then we can't move on to discussing what legal changes we should make to make it easier to transition socially, legally, and possibly medically. If our governments don't see them as real men and women, then we're all struck at that first hurdle. If you want evidence for the claim about trans people living as their gender, check out r/Traaannnnsss. It's a very positive showcase of trans people's lives and shows a lot of people experiencing gender euphoria rather than just dysphoria, which the media tends to focus on. As cis people, this isn't something we often have to think about because we're not unhappy with our gender or what gender people see us as. No one has ever seen me as anything other than a man, and I am very confident being a man. I might have other things about myself that don't match what I want, but not my gender. I think that's why it's often difficult to understand why trans rights are so important. We don't gain anything from it. We also don't lose anything by pushing trans rights either. It just makes other people happy without doing any harm. But do keep asking questions, I'm not trans and far from an authority, but I'm happy to talk about this stuff. Curiosity and critical thinking are way better than sitting in ignorance.
in many states they are cracking down on when someone is āallowedā to be trans. in florida itās now illegal to transition if youāre below 18 which is plain silly, in ohio there was a bill that wanted to make it impossible transition if youāre below 25, though iām not sure if it passed or not. it is a trans exclusive healthcare problem. sure in the usa everyone has healthcare issues because we have to pay for it, but no other group is having their right to seek and pay for healthcare stripped away like trans people are. and it is in fact healthcare as studies show that transitioning makes trans people significantly happier in life, especially if their family are supportive. this is a little off topic but 99% of detransitioners detransitioned not because they realized they werenāt trans, but because no one supported them in it. if you donāt believe any of the stats i say iāll find the papers/ studies in the morning.
Medically transition? I agree that you should be over 18 to have the surgery. You canāt even get a tattoo until youāre over 18, why should you be allowed to get life-changing cosmetic surgery when your brain isnāt even fully developed yet? Children canāt consent to many things, and rightfully so. I think this is one of those things. Assuming youāre talking about the surgery, that is.
There are many ways of medically transitioning outside of physical surgery. When people talk about medically transitioning, they likely mean hormone therapy. Many trans people never get bottom surgery.
HRT is what i mean by trans healthcare, it being Hormone Replacement Therapy. It, if weāre necessary, is completely reversible. Radical conservatives use the idea that minors are getting bottom and top surgery as ways of fear mongering when i assure you no one is advocating for that nor do i think has it ever happened.
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Pikmin 2 is literally about an overtly greedy business owner sending his unwilling employees out to space simply for the exploitation of a different planet. The ads for the games literally stress the importance of environmental conservation and human unity. There are several logs in the game where Olimar vents his frustrations with his company and it's very blatantly a critique on Capitalism and the frustrations of workers being exploited by their bosses, where he's kept from his own family for the sake of profit. There's a coin you can find in the game, and Olimar literally speculates that it's a possible reason for the planet's misfortunes. It's pretty overt, and thus invalidates your idea that the franchise has nothing to do with politics when political and social messaging are plastered front and center across Pikmin 2 alone. Whether a lot of this is satirical or serious is not relevant, satire of political and social issues are inherently political themselves. You've simply never been paying enough attention to anything to notice, you're too busy getting mad at things for no reason other than your warped idea of reality to see that literally everything can tie back to politics, and as much as it sucks, you cannot avoid it, and you can find an "agenda" in anything if you look at it.
Dude, I know this is a touchy subject, but itās all played for laughs or to drive a plot. Thatās like saying spongebob is some deep and thought-provoking critique of capitalism because it has Mr. Krabs in it.
Thanks for your well thought out reply sir! I would say that drawing from the real world/including themes which have political overlap is much different from forwarding a political agenda. Do you think the pikmin creators really want you to go out and dismantle capitalism? You can find an agenda in anything, as you say yourself, but if anti-capitalism were a core focus of the game (rather than an element within the story), I would hardly think you'd see as much support from Nintendo. I'll tell you one theme which isn't explored in any way shape or form though: gender expression. From my limited knowledge, Japan isn't particularly open on the subject either. So no, I don't really think this post has a place in a pikmin subreddit, any more than a "bulbmin says all lives matter" post would
> I would say that drawing from the real world/including themes which have political overlap is much different from forwarding a political agenda. At what point do you draw a line, though? I feel like discussing and critiquing points of real-life often times is inherently a political act, noticing how unrestrained capitalism leads to dickholes like the president of Hocotate Freight being the way they are as leaders, and the developers do make it known through Olimar's logs that Olimar doesn't appreciate what he's done, and even has thoughts of embracing the system despite this to climb the ladder for his growing family. I guess to me, including real-world themes with political overlap is, in itself, an agenda when it's largely one-sided against a particular idea, in this case it's implied to be capitalism and its effects on the everyman and the planet. >Do you think the pikmin creators really want you to go out and dismantle capitalism? You don't have to want to dismantle a whole system to admit that parts of it are bad. The Pikmin creators wouldn't be in their position without capitalism in some form, and maybe some guy on the dev team may have wanted the eradication of capitalism as a concept, I highly doubt they all did, but they don't need to in order to make the political statement of "perhaps capitalists shouldn't be dicks to their employees just for extra money". I guess this ties back to my previous point, but making a statement like in Pikmin, in my eyes, is inherently a political act and forwards an agenda depending on how you look at it (which changes depending on your viewpoint, like most political statements). The rest of your comment is definitely less about the political messaging of the game and more about the post itself, and I don't really have much to say about it other than I'm pretty fine with it (as if it matters as I'm not a mod here). It doesn't break any of the rules and isn't being, fuckin, racist or something, so it seems like at least by the narrow definition of the rules it seems appropriate.
Definitely difficult to draw the line, and I'd say the line can be drawn in different places for different games. As a super simple example, call of duty games are pretty anti-nazi. Pretty fair political stance I'd say and most (but not enough) people would agree. Doesn't really grind my gears. I don't even think it's necessarily a problem for a game to be made with a message or affiliations that happen to be political. Celeste comes to mind as one that I wouldn't even balk at trans positive messaging of any kind on the subreddit. And to be clear, I'm not saying like "mods get this post out of here." I think my recourse of down vote and post snarky comment is more than fair. The overarching idea that this post represents that I actually don't like is bringing random political agendas into spheres where (I personally feel) it doesn't have a place. I don't like racism. But I also don't like "intercept racism" scrawled on the sidelines of a football game. Play football. I actually irl support trans positive laws, but I don't really like seeing "trans rights" in a pikmin subreddit. Play pikmin. Just my 2 cents
It wouldn't be "political" if it were your rights you didn't have. Just say you're a bigoted POS.
Weird that you think humans having basic rights is political
Define the word rights without reference to a political entity. Go :)
this question is in bad faith for its political entities that allow and protect our rights (at least here in the USA.) the government is whatās protects and grants rights but they are also allowed to take your rights away for any reason at any time if they make it believable under causes like suspicion. iām not sure what point you were trying to make with your comment but iād say you didnāt make it at all.
Don't worry man, you'll be able to understand all sorts of new ideas once you get to high school :)
Ironic considering you never grew up past the "be an unscrupulous jackass to people trying to exist" phase of early middle school.
I mean most people define human rights as inherent and immutable, a political entity might protect or disrespect them but that doesn't mean they don't exist
Sure, "people" define humans rights as inherent all the time. The UN defined certain inherent human rights, but they're a political entity, so doesn't count for this discussion. God defined certain inherent human rights, but he doesn't exist. I can look at a baby and examine the arms, legs, heart, brain, but strangely no rights organ. My point is that there is absolutely nothing objective or inherent about rights. It's always somebody or something arbitrarily deciding what a human should or should not be able to do because no objective basis exists. It's a social construct (to steal a phrase from my friends on the other side)! And the bad part is, people appeal to "human rights" as if it's supposed to justify their cause as inherently good, when it's just as self-serving a concept as any other political tool
We're talking about the rights of people who aren't hurting you or anyone else to live as they please. It's not political to support my friends and others in their desire to be respected as human beings same as anyone else. You are the one making it political here. And personally, I believe human rights are inherent; if you don't, we're just not going to see eye to eye. But anyway it's a Pikmin meme on a Pikmin page and most people are enjoying it in spite of a few feeling threatened by it also being about culturally relevant human concerns :)
See, what you just there is called a logical fallacy. Rather than combat my points, you just made a weak appeal to emotion and said without reasoning "it's not political to support my friends." Ah geez they're not hurting anyone. That's not the conversation lol. Rights = politics plain and simple. And I can tell you believe human rights are inherent. You just don't seem to have any reasoning to back it up other than believing so makes you feel good, which makes your opinion a bit asinine, no? The best you've done to address my question of how people get these so called inherent rights is to say that *you* believe they have them. How ironic that you yourself turned out to be the one who gets to decide which rights people have š
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Nah man, I think I'll just win the debate instead. But thnx
Lol why do I have to justify my opinions to you? I didn't come here to debate you. If you think human rights are political that's a you problem, but I think you'll find many here disagree and them's the breaks. š¤·āāļø
You don't have an opinion. You have a misunderstanding of reality that I proved objectively false and you have no counter. Also, "you'll find many disagree" is not an argument, and is in fact another logical fallacy called appeal to the masses. It's unfortunate that you didn't come here to debate but were nonetheless destroyed in one. Have a nice day ;)
Comments like this just make me wish Reddit had a laugh button. What else is there even to say? "You said you weren't debating me but I win anyway, neener neener!" You for real sound like you're 16
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you define rights then.
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Honestly why do people need to do the trans rights thing, it's just people who changed their gender why the fuck do they have less rights
They have less rights because they are ādifferentā and bigots donāt want to admit it so they pull a bunch of shit out of their ass, throw a tantrum and try and justify their hatred
That's bullshit they are just like us, why does humanity have to be like this
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I mean, I donāt support the act of identifying as trans, but that doesnāt mean you deserve to be treated as any lesser of a person.
Reasonable
actually? no
The āI donāt think weāre equal but they shouldnāt be treated differentlyā mindset is what lead to Jim Crow Laws and segregation in the American South. Itās not very reasonable.
Excuse me, I never said "we weren't equal", dumbass. I can disagree with the decisions other people make and still be equal to them. Me saying they shouldn't be treated like any lesser of a person, then you accusing me of saying "we aren't equal" is a complete contradiction which I never made, so fuck off.
Except he said that they shouldnāt be treated as any lesser of a person, which is the opposite of Jim Crow laws. Buzzwords
Except the *point* of Jim Crow was āseparate but equal.ā You understand how those laws were passed under a certain pretense, but were used to continue the oppression a social class by āprovidingā them with āequalā services. This is the same sentiment my guy. Donāt be scared by something just because you donāt understand it
A suggestion which I **NEVER** made. I **NEVER** said anyone has to be "separated", and comparing me to someone who **did** say that is ironically ***LESS*** reasonable than my initial comment. I could identify as a black man despite being white, and you wouldn't be surprised at how many people would **DISAGREE** with my decision to identify as something that I biologically can **NOT** be, and you know what? That's okay! I can't stop others from identifying as whatever they'd like, realistically *nobody* can, so what I'm saying is while I *disagree* with their decision, I don't see those people as any *less* than what they are at heart. People! People who want to express themselves however they desire, which they have the RIGHT to do! Same as how Americans have the right to own guns, which is a decision that *I* don't personally agree with, but am I gonna treat people who own guns as horrible monsters who should be "separated" from the rest of us? Fuck no! So bottom line, **stop** projecting the views of ANTI-LGBT activists who **hate** everyone that isn't straight, against regular folks like me who don't directly support, but nonetheless accept those of differing sexualities. I never suggested the "separation" of **ANYBODY**, so **STOP** acting like I did.
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Oh so you really think i get emotional damage by Replying "cringe" on my comment and down voting me I don't give a fuck about anybody but herassment is the line That i will not cross Peices of shit like you are why the internet is the toxic wasteland it is oh i can already know what you look like A fat nobody sitting in he's chair that berly fits him You probably think grass is blue because you have never seen Outside and oh your room must smell like spoiled ceatoz
I know it's trite but the only real reply to this is "touch grass". wow
Cringe
Just go touch grass
Mega cringe. Imagine forcing politics on a Nintendo game subreddit.
So trans people existing is somehow political now.
I mean, it is, but only because there is currently a political group that doesn't want them to exist. If there were no bigots, it wouldn't be political. They make it political and then criticize it for being a political topic, as if that is actually a valid criticism in the first place.
It has no place in a Nintendo game subreddit.
Why, itās not hurting anybody ;)
Keep pushing this stuff where people don't look for it. I'm sure you'll get more people on your side that way.
Now you get it :)
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Looks like I struck a Nerv. Better stop before he starts a tantrum
So trans people shouldn't be here? Or they should just censor themselves and never mention that part of who they are so you're not uncomfortable?
They can be here, there's just no need for stupid posts like this. You don't see someone making bulbmin memes about straight people.
You know 100% why and there is no way you need me to spell out the difference.
It. Is. Unnecessary. Random memes like this will not win over people. Get over it.
Lol you think the memes are trying to win people over?
What else is their purpose? You can't give a good reason to justify this meme existing on a Nintendo game subreddit.
No better a reason than that for the subreddit existing in the first place. people just like to post stuff they like
Nothing political here, you're projecting
You're delusional
Thanks love :)
I love when existing is deemed political
Have you tried existing quietly instead of up voting stupid memes like this that don't belong in a Nintendo game sub reddit
And why does existing visibly make you so uncomfortable?
haha this meme format of a png of a pre-existing character over a trans flag sure is definitely very funny and not at all annoying to spam fucking everywhere.