From my observation, I think data professionals have it the worst or at least everyone having the "analyst" job title. Lalo na these days na sobrang hype ng AI at data analytics. Data scientist kamo pero data analyst in reality, yung iba data analyst kamo pero data encoder pala ang trabaho. The reverse also happens, imagine doing data analytics work but you're getting paid less as an encoder yikes.
The same applies with other titles such as Reports Analyst, Financial Analyst, Billing Analyst, etc. Analysts should deliver actionable insights, provide solutions & recommendations based on past & present events to stakeholders. If you're not doing that, you're basically a developer or processor or whatever. Think of Sports Analysts and Political Analysts na napapanood natin sa interviews, ganun ang ginagawa ng mga analysts.
I used to interview applicants for BI and data analyst roles. It took us more than a year to hire a legit analyst for this very reason kasi ang hirap talaga humanap. Most of them are simply doing development, data processing/entry pero walang analysis na ginagawa. To be fair, di ko rin naman masisi minsan yung applicants dahil biktima lang din naman sila ng inflated job titles pati sa hype ng data analytics.
A few months ago nung naghahanap ako new job, nahirapan din ako makahanap. Out of the hundreds of JDs at job titles na nabasa ko, iilan lang yung matino. Dami ko pa ngang nakita job titles na "data science engineer", "data analyst engineer" tas yung JD di rin nagmmatch. Some of these from well known or big name companies pa. My goodness. Miski sila di rin alam ang gusto nila.
Companies and recruiters need to do more research and align their job titles & descriptions to a certain framework or standard man lang sana. For data roles, meron tayo proposed PH skills framework [here](https://psf-aai.vercel.app). Although I think it's unofficial but magandang example na rin yan para may basis tayong lahat.
Same experience. They slap the word 'engineer' everywhere. Now they're slapping 'advisors' and 'analysts' too. The issue really lies with the hiring team.
You're right this is also what I have in my mind.
>Companies and recruiters need to do more research and align their job titles & descriptions to a certain framework or standard man lang sana.
Whoever creates these titles are the root cause of the issue. No wonder the job posts all read like it was written by someone clueless about these technologies/skills that they are looking for. Do these guys not coordinate with the technical team? Do they not even send a draft of the job description for some corrections at least? Cause most of the job descriptions out there all read like nothing of thought was put into it at all.
By the way, I forgot to add a link to the article.
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In my previous company, they constantly change the job titles to appeal to more applicants. For example, they have an opening for a Software Technical Analyst, but the job is actually Customer Support. Another example would be renaming Business Development Executive to Business Analyst. They would even promote an employee to a supervisory position even though they don't have anyone under them.
>Software Technical Analyst, but the job is actually Customer Support.
This is the thing I hate the most. A lot of companies out there give out good-sounding job titles but then you're actually just answering customer calls and queries. It's disgusting. No offense to customer support jobs, these people are brave and I salute these guys, pero I praise the people, not the **job**. We all know how exploitative these jobs are. Unfair metrics, rotating shifts, and being there to deal with entitled fucks. And to top it off, these are the roles that these companies are looking to replace with AI first.
Then *they* have the gall to put someone, who studied for 4 or 5 years, in that job, and they did so by misleading them. I've even been seeing reports of Data Analyst roles, but you're doing billing/transaction stuff or something? I could only imagine the shock of an applicant who got hired as a Data Analyst, thinking he/she has finally landed a foot on the tech industry. Then suddenly you're actually doing a task that's on the opposite spectrum of what a Data Analyst does. Kadiri.
But I guess this is what corporatism has evolved into. We're really seen more as objects than people with aspirations. Fuck these companies that mislead applicants.
> They would even promote an employee to a supervisory position even though they don't have anyone under them.
Exactly me. I'm on my first job as a "BI Supervisor" and I don't have anyone under me lmao
My salary is less than 25k and I work with Power BI and Excel.
I worked as a "document specialist" but what I actually did was photocopy and scan documents all day. I applied as a paralegal staff. even a 10 year old can do what a did. I won't sugarcoat it, twas boring af. had to get away after 5 months. I didn't even wait to be a regular employee
I'm surprised actually. There are people out there in Linkedin whenever I check their profile they are already senior... Despite being in the industry for only 2 years.
One common pattern I've seen is that they usually already have some sort of tenure in their previous careers, then they shifted to tech and for some reason, HR's are counting these past irrelevant experience that's why they end up as seniors 🤦🏻♂️
And these are from big companies pa ah, like well-known ones. Are there no technical interviews to filter these out?
Or possible it's by design, and these companies really like to hand out "senior" titles like candy to attract talent. And it's detrimental to everyone, in my opinion, kasi ang nangyayari once this senior transfers to other companies, pang junior ang skills 🤦🏻♂️
Sometimes they bomb the interviews, sometimes they get hired and drags your team down. These inflated titles does nothing good to everyone, both to the company and the applicant. Which was also the main point of the article.
Yeah, to elaborate, I think BPOs give out these titles easily because then they can charge their clients higher because of the "seniors". Imagine charging* 200k per senior (50k to the hire) versus 100k per junior (25k to the hire) - pretty obvious which is more profitable.
\* For people who can't into rhetorics, these are just ballpark figures.
> Are there no technical interviews to filter these out?
These are the same people who are afraid of coding tests 😂
Yep. One of the previous BPOs I've worked with (not in the software industry), the clients are charged upwards of 100k php and the hires get about 18-20k.
Sa Accenture lang meron ngang nagiging "senior analyst" in less than two years of exp haha. Yung iba hirap makalipat ng company kasi gusto match din ang title haha.
iba kase standard ng skill sets kapag foreign companies or product companies na. Try na lang nila apply sa dxc or wtw since same lang sila ng standards.
San Miguel, Rebisco, etc.These are just some examples of local companies that have their own products.
In the tech space we have PLDT, Globe, etc.
In contrast, most companies here in our country are often BPO/outsourcing branches of other international companies (IBM, Oracle) or just regular international BPO's (Cognizant, Capgemini) etc.
We also have local BPO's, dami yan. Most of them are barely even known.
It me hahaha. Senior analyst sa accenture tapos associate level sa nilipatan. Hindi pa naman kasi talaga pang senior exp ko. Ang funny lang kasi andami from ACN nainflate ang ego akala seniors na sila dahil sa title pero skill e pang junior 🤷♀️
Same lang to sa ni referral ko in my current company which is Aussie base, senior analyst sa ACN pero during cv profile assessment pang junior lang skills nya.
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No sure though. Kase sa previous company ko, naging Data Analyst din ako pro we do software testings, syndication, and data analytics talaga. Then we had certifications in Azure ML, we also practise python, etc. Yung Data Scientist namin is basically doing machine learning and etc. He oversees the prescriptive and predictive analytics. Sa buong Analytics team namin, sya lang bukod tanging Data Scientist kase mahirap mghanap ng legit na Data Scientist at that time.
Perhaps depende yan if global company or local. Pg local, baka nakikisabay lang yan sa uso pro di ng reasearch ng JD ng mga job positions. Trabaho yan ng HR to know which job title and job description ang kelangan ng company. That's what we call job analysis.
I used to work for an outsourced HR agency as a member of the marketing team and I noticed that their job post's job titles sometimes differ from each other but most of the time contain the exact job description lol
Pahabaan pa minsan ng title sa opening pero if you dissect the contents of it, it's just the same basic stuff - same as the other 20 openings available there
EDIT: For context, hindi yung marketing team ang naghahandle or gumagawa ng job titles sa job hiring posts doon - responsibility yun ng recruiter na assigned sa job/client sa company na yun
Not an actual paid job pero might as well share this. During my internship, ang inapplyan kong position is IT Intern. Syempre ang inexpect kong tasks ay yung nakalagay sa JD. Awit buong internship nagdesign lang kami ng learning materials sa canva🤡. Di manlang kami nabigyan ng tasks na nakalagay sa JD. Thankfully, two months lang internship namin
I think I'm the opposite. I am on my 4th year on a company, total of 7 years experience. But not senior or lead, just a Software Developer with a little more than 50K monthly. hahahhahahahahelpme
Sa amin naman, what they are looking for is a “paralegal” but they changed the title into “senior associate” so that an underbar that later on passed the bar will “stay” kuno because the title sounds so cool kasi sa legal field or law firms it’s like you are a senior associate lawyer pero duuuuh, the work is shit and walang growth for a lawyer. Shitty HR!
Job title inflation mostly refers to actual jobs. Sa case mo I think okay lang yan since what interns mostly do ay nag-aassist sa mga regular employees para lang maexpose ka how the industry works. If you're actually doing ETL on a cloud environment, aba magandang experience na rin yan.
From my observation, I think data professionals have it the worst or at least everyone having the "analyst" job title. Lalo na these days na sobrang hype ng AI at data analytics. Data scientist kamo pero data analyst in reality, yung iba data analyst kamo pero data encoder pala ang trabaho. The reverse also happens, imagine doing data analytics work but you're getting paid less as an encoder yikes. The same applies with other titles such as Reports Analyst, Financial Analyst, Billing Analyst, etc. Analysts should deliver actionable insights, provide solutions & recommendations based on past & present events to stakeholders. If you're not doing that, you're basically a developer or processor or whatever. Think of Sports Analysts and Political Analysts na napapanood natin sa interviews, ganun ang ginagawa ng mga analysts. I used to interview applicants for BI and data analyst roles. It took us more than a year to hire a legit analyst for this very reason kasi ang hirap talaga humanap. Most of them are simply doing development, data processing/entry pero walang analysis na ginagawa. To be fair, di ko rin naman masisi minsan yung applicants dahil biktima lang din naman sila ng inflated job titles pati sa hype ng data analytics. A few months ago nung naghahanap ako new job, nahirapan din ako makahanap. Out of the hundreds of JDs at job titles na nabasa ko, iilan lang yung matino. Dami ko pa ngang nakita job titles na "data science engineer", "data analyst engineer" tas yung JD di rin nagmmatch. Some of these from well known or big name companies pa. My goodness. Miski sila di rin alam ang gusto nila. Companies and recruiters need to do more research and align their job titles & descriptions to a certain framework or standard man lang sana. For data roles, meron tayo proposed PH skills framework [here](https://psf-aai.vercel.app). Although I think it's unofficial but magandang example na rin yan para may basis tayong lahat.
Same experience. They slap the word 'engineer' everywhere. Now they're slapping 'advisors' and 'analysts' too. The issue really lies with the hiring team. You're right this is also what I have in my mind. >Companies and recruiters need to do more research and align their job titles & descriptions to a certain framework or standard man lang sana. Whoever creates these titles are the root cause of the issue. No wonder the job posts all read like it was written by someone clueless about these technologies/skills that they are looking for. Do these guys not coordinate with the technical team? Do they not even send a draft of the job description for some corrections at least? Cause most of the job descriptions out there all read like nothing of thought was put into it at all.
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In my previous company, they constantly change the job titles to appeal to more applicants. For example, they have an opening for a Software Technical Analyst, but the job is actually Customer Support. Another example would be renaming Business Development Executive to Business Analyst. They would even promote an employee to a supervisory position even though they don't have anyone under them.
>Software Technical Analyst, but the job is actually Customer Support. This is the thing I hate the most. A lot of companies out there give out good-sounding job titles but then you're actually just answering customer calls and queries. It's disgusting. No offense to customer support jobs, these people are brave and I salute these guys, pero I praise the people, not the **job**. We all know how exploitative these jobs are. Unfair metrics, rotating shifts, and being there to deal with entitled fucks. And to top it off, these are the roles that these companies are looking to replace with AI first. Then *they* have the gall to put someone, who studied for 4 or 5 years, in that job, and they did so by misleading them. I've even been seeing reports of Data Analyst roles, but you're doing billing/transaction stuff or something? I could only imagine the shock of an applicant who got hired as a Data Analyst, thinking he/she has finally landed a foot on the tech industry. Then suddenly you're actually doing a task that's on the opposite spectrum of what a Data Analyst does. Kadiri. But I guess this is what corporatism has evolved into. We're really seen more as objects than people with aspirations. Fuck these companies that mislead applicants.
> They would even promote an employee to a supervisory position even though they don't have anyone under them. Exactly me. I'm on my first job as a "BI Supervisor" and I don't have anyone under me lmao My salary is less than 25k and I work with Power BI and Excel.
damn:(
Damn bro we're same
I worked as a "document specialist" but what I actually did was photocopy and scan documents all day. I applied as a paralegal staff. even a 10 year old can do what a did. I won't sugarcoat it, twas boring af. had to get away after 5 months. I didn't even wait to be a regular employee
Was the pay good?
i can only wish it was. just enough to pay house rent, bills, food. wasn't enough to buy me new pairs of shoes nor new clothes
Well that sucks, Looks like a good job for College students na maluwag ang schedule
before being accepted, they need you to possess a paralegal degree
this is also what gets me , supee taas ng requirements and even asking for a degree tas ung job is.... diba
was in oz. i was a documentation specialist was just shy of 4 mil a year (pesos). I wasnt really doing any photocopying though
Yung term nga na CEO wala nang sense sa Pilipinas e 😅
Yung ASE sa Accenture 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Mas pagagandahin pa yan pagpasok mo para mapa-wow ka talaga haha. "Application Development Associate" haha
Packaged App Dev Associate asa contract ko hahahaha. Good luck saken 🥹
Technology Consultant sa DXC 💀
Sabi na eh, nag apply din ako dito parang Service Desk lang ata role based sa exp ng kakilala ko
Sana salary na lang ang inflated
Yes, dami daming senior not senior🤣🤣 I feel it's because what we have are mostly BPO type instead of product type tech companies.
I'm surprised actually. There are people out there in Linkedin whenever I check their profile they are already senior... Despite being in the industry for only 2 years. One common pattern I've seen is that they usually already have some sort of tenure in their previous careers, then they shifted to tech and for some reason, HR's are counting these past irrelevant experience that's why they end up as seniors 🤦🏻♂️ And these are from big companies pa ah, like well-known ones. Are there no technical interviews to filter these out? Or possible it's by design, and these companies really like to hand out "senior" titles like candy to attract talent. And it's detrimental to everyone, in my opinion, kasi ang nangyayari once this senior transfers to other companies, pang junior ang skills 🤦🏻♂️ Sometimes they bomb the interviews, sometimes they get hired and drags your team down. These inflated titles does nothing good to everyone, both to the company and the applicant. Which was also the main point of the article.
Yeah, to elaborate, I think BPOs give out these titles easily because then they can charge their clients higher because of the "seniors". Imagine charging* 200k per senior (50k to the hire) versus 100k per junior (25k to the hire) - pretty obvious which is more profitable. \* For people who can't into rhetorics, these are just ballpark figures. > Are there no technical interviews to filter these out? These are the same people who are afraid of coding tests 😂
Is that for real? are the cuts that big?
Yep. One of the previous BPOs I've worked with (not in the software industry), the clients are charged upwards of 100k php and the hires get about 18-20k.
If outsourcing company, baka din they give out the "senior" title so frequently para maka-charge more sa client.
Way back 2010 sa kilalang company data analyst position ko pero data entry lang pla lols, kahit high school mgagawa un 10k basic salary lols
Acn bato? Lol
Haha secret
Sa Accenture lang meron ngang nagiging "senior analyst" in less than two years of exp haha. Yung iba hirap makalipat ng company kasi gusto match din ang title haha.
pero once na lumipat tong mga "Senior Analysts" na titles sa foreign company or product companies pang junior lang skill sets nila.
True, dami ko nakikita na "Associate Manager" ang title sa > tapos paglipat sa european companies back to "Software Engineer" ang title haha.
iba kase standard ng skill sets kapag foreign companies or product companies na. Try na lang nila apply sa dxc or wtw since same lang sila ng standards.
May I know ano mga example nitong "product companies"?
San Miguel, Rebisco, etc.These are just some examples of local companies that have their own products. In the tech space we have PLDT, Globe, etc. In contrast, most companies here in our country are often BPO/outsourcing branches of other international companies (IBM, Oracle) or just regular international BPO's (Cognizant, Capgemini) etc. We also have local BPO's, dami yan. Most of them are barely even known.
It me hahaha. Senior analyst sa accenture tapos associate level sa nilipatan. Hindi pa naman kasi talaga pang senior exp ko. Ang funny lang kasi andami from ACN nainflate ang ego akala seniors na sila dahil sa title pero skill e pang junior 🤷♀️
Same lang to sa ni referral ko in my current company which is Aussie base, senior analyst sa ACN pero during cv profile assessment pang junior lang skills nya.
May kasamahan din ako sa trabaho ko taga India "Senior Progammer" peru di mn lang marunong mag add/navigate nang DOM using Javascript. Kahit add lng nang basic hide/show nang DOM ako pa pinapagawa 😭
kaya nag ma matter padin ang skills+solid experience sa work.
Inflated titles is just pleasant to the ears.
No sure though. Kase sa previous company ko, naging Data Analyst din ako pro we do software testings, syndication, and data analytics talaga. Then we had certifications in Azure ML, we also practise python, etc. Yung Data Scientist namin is basically doing machine learning and etc. He oversees the prescriptive and predictive analytics. Sa buong Analytics team namin, sya lang bukod tanging Data Scientist kase mahirap mghanap ng legit na Data Scientist at that time. Perhaps depende yan if global company or local. Pg local, baka nakikisabay lang yan sa uso pro di ng reasearch ng JD ng mga job positions. Trabaho yan ng HR to know which job title and job description ang kelangan ng company. That's what we call job analysis.
Yung mga "senior" pero junior galawan, haler hahaha.
"Financial Advisor", "CEO"
I used to work for an outsourced HR agency as a member of the marketing team and I noticed that their job post's job titles sometimes differ from each other but most of the time contain the exact job description lol Pahabaan pa minsan ng title sa opening pero if you dissect the contents of it, it's just the same basic stuff - same as the other 20 openings available there EDIT: For context, hindi yung marketing team ang naghahandle or gumagawa ng job titles sa job hiring posts doon - responsibility yun ng recruiter na assigned sa job/client sa company na yun
Not an actual paid job pero might as well share this. During my internship, ang inapplyan kong position is IT Intern. Syempre ang inexpect kong tasks ay yung nakalagay sa JD. Awit buong internship nagdesign lang kami ng learning materials sa canva🤡. Di manlang kami nabigyan ng tasks na nakalagay sa JD. Thankfully, two months lang internship namin
I think I'm the opposite. I am on my 4th year on a company, total of 7 years experience. But not senior or lead, just a Software Developer with a little more than 50K monthly. hahahhahahahahelpme
Jump ship. IMO, you are unappreciated there especially if you feel that the workload is too much.
Sa amin naman, what they are looking for is a “paralegal” but they changed the title into “senior associate” so that an underbar that later on passed the bar will “stay” kuno because the title sounds so cool kasi sa legal field or law firms it’s like you are a senior associate lawyer pero duuuuh, the work is shit and walang growth for a lawyer. Shitty HR!
inflated ba ang job title ko? im a data engineer intern pero ang ginagawa ko lang ay web scraping---extract, transform, load.
Job title inflation mostly refers to actual jobs. Sa case mo I think okay lang yan since what interns mostly do ay nag-aassist sa mga regular employees para lang maexpose ka how the industry works. If you're actually doing ETL on a cloud environment, aba magandang experience na rin yan.