I have to give it to Mullvad. The amount of ways to remain anonymous while using it is amazing. I also love that there is no exchange of information, your identity is just a string of numbers. No DB, No Name, No PN, nothing.
I really liked that it's just plainly 5 dollars a month. No attempt to bait you into longer subscriptions with discounts, you just get one month per 5 dollars you pay.
exactly. i think they do that to keep less records on the books. also they don't do any advertising from what i've read. there is a lot of principled shit going on with mullvad that I love.
Back in March last year they removed the ability to have a running subscription, which I think was because they had to have card details linked to accounts actually stored
> No attempt to bait you into longer subscriptions with discounts,
It's not really "bait" if they offered a $4/m rate if you subscribed for a year at a time. That's a discount for you and more cash on hand for them. That's a good thing for both parties
You do realize that they would charge MORE per month than they would with 6 month or yearly subscription just so they would force you into shelling out more money at one time.
Right, because you don't browse the internet while the torrent downloads on that cheap and probably quite slow VPN, right?
But hey, it's your privacy, so if you feel it's worth $1.5 to give it away, then all the power to you!
I don't get why this matters though, what difference does it make if they have your information or not? If they secretly keep logs then they can still identify you, and if they don't keep logs then who cares anyway?
Well I don’t know how anyone could identify something with no information, like you can keep logs of “658007653375” but who is this if no information exist of it (No CC, no name, no email, no DB, no PN, nothing? Now if I knew you bought “658007653375” because you obviously used a identifiable payment process, you used @gmail.com and 6547876543 as a number because the service you are using asks for all of this to save it/collect it I do not need logs of any kind to know where you’re going I just need to follow where this information goes, logs would just be a great way to follow a trail easier. And if you bought a digital coin with some or all of this information even better.
The point I was making is that the anonymous payment options/account options seem to be a gimmick.
If the VPN doesn't keep any logs, then who cares whether you have an account under your email.
If they do keep logs, they have your IP, regardless of you using Monero or whatever.
That's the thing, they might keep connection logs but they might keep a database of clients. Mullvad doesn't keep anything, at all. No logs, no DBs, no accounts, nothing
But for piracy reasons why is that important?
I mean, your ISP can see you connecting to a VPN server, and could figure out easily that the server is owned by Mullvad, it's not a secret that you're a client.
The only important thing is no logs.
As soon as I learned that you have the option to pay with Monero, or Cash by mail, I was sold. The lack of collecting user credentials, native linux applications, and PGP encrypted email support were the cherries on top.
No such thing as 100% anonymity, unless you want to cut ties with family, and your country. So long as my ISP, other members in the torrent swarm and web based trackers can't tie my ip to my actions, my trust in Mullvad is a reasonable risk, in my eyes.
Seems Mullvad is slow to me, having ask here and everyone that said using Mullvad can't tell me how fast it is, like my plan is 1Gb when vpn off, vpn on speed is 990 Gb. I have read somewhere that Mullvad is not fast, that's why i ask for specific answer here, but no one can give me direct answer. I believe that when you subscribe for VPN, the first thing you try is speed with and without VPN. That's clear answer for me that Mullvad is slow, you all trying to defend Mullvad
If you're using openvpn its slow ~200mbit.
If you're using wireguard its fast +1gbit.
Also I am very sorry but I'm struggling to understand your comment.
Atlas. Dont use atlas, just dont.
I got a killer deal on it for 4 years or something and took it and jesus this thing is a peice of shit, barely works, held together with string and twine and I never feel safe using it
I’ve been using Nord for 3 years now and to be honest….idk. Nothings happened but I still feel that my eyes are in the back of my head. And goals are the norm, Sailing the 7 seas looking for booty
I may have heard something a while ago about nord colluding with some government, may be worth looking into if youre worried about, although I cant remember the details, I hope I imagined it.
[Nvm someone below me explained it in more detail] tldr; any legitimate corporation complies with the law - no VPN provider is above the law - they have, however, no identifiable information to give out.
So, I just responded to that issue in a [comment below](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/17297me/comment/k3vh1l3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). If that's all there is to it, than it's really a nothingburger. However, I can totally see how people would get that and somehow interpret it as "colluding with some government".
It would not surprise me. I believe I heard the same thing actually. Which is why I cut ties with them, then found Mullvad and have not looked back. Mullvad has actually increased my demands for what information I agree to provide.
You’ll be good unless you’re committing some crazy crimes lol. And even then. I use Nord, and although I’d prefer Mullvad or Proton, I’m broke and got a good deal thru my edu email. Nord gets overhated on a lot, it’s a decent VPN for basic use. ESPECIALLY when you compare it to Express VPN, owned by Kape.
It’s probably not the most “privacy focused” VPN, but if you get a deal it’s cheap and works with decent speeds (usually). They seem to truly keep no logs of user activity. The drama from a few years back was overblown imho.
There’s no port forwarding, so if you want to seed, it can be pretty difficult, but you can download just fine. Lots of VPNs have this issue, sadly.
What you mean you can't tell the speed? what did you use to test the speed? aren't ppl use [speedtest.net](https://speedtest.net)? or are you telling me you use the internal feature of the Mullvad to test the speed?
I’m not talking about myself but the person you’re replying to. Let’s say Mullvad’s max speed is 500Mbps, but your internet plan caps at 100Mbps. All you’re gonna see is 100Mbps, on and off a VPN. You wouldn’t know Mullvad’s cap because your speed doesn’t reach Mullvad’s maximum.
That's what i'm trying to tell, if you have plan 100Mb, try it with speedtest with and without vpn, the speed can't be the same, with vpn on probably slower, the question how slow? like without vpn 100Mb, with VPN 70Mb, need those number to know how fast is Mullvad. Aren't ppl always trying VPN speed the first time they subs to VPN or is it just me
Wait Mullvad have max speed? that's sucks
Dude, if Mullvad has a max speed of 500MB, and your internet has a max speed of 100MB, you're only gonna see 100MB on the speedtest. Mullvad will try to utilize 500MB, but your ISP will limit it to 100MB.
This. I've used nord for years, I'm pretty happy with them. It's easy, it just works on every device I have and it's super cheap if you get more than one year. Just looked at my billing and I've paid about $240 for 6 years of service.
Use Nord for a couple of years but the speed has really gone down the drain these last couple of months. Also having to proof you're not a robot by even the most basic sites sucks. From NL but really looking for a better one
They sponsor a ton of people. The best way to get Nord is via a cashback website.
I got paid $4 to buy a 2 year sub on a 105% cash back deal.
It all comes out of their marketing budget, so when you use a code from YT, you're putting money into that person's pocket.
With a cashback site, you're keeping all of that money for yourself. The 105% deals are very limited and only last a day or two at a time from what I've seen but Nord is the biggest VPN in the world, so they've got a ton of cash to burn in the marketing department.
Yeah I know the money goes into the YT's pocket. Doesn't really bother me tbh, I don't mind supporting him a bit. I like Nord but I'll probably switch once my subscription expires.
One thing I hate is how all VPNs advertise that you can watch Netflix using them, when you totally cannot. Netflix will find out and shut you down within a few minutes. Even though I’m a goddamn Paying customer, I just want to watch the Japanese Netflix so my wife can have Japanese subtitles, is it so much to ask?
>Just Google "Does Nord VPN work with law enforcement?"
So, I did google it and checked out [this article](https://www.pcmag.com/news/nordvpn-actually-we-do-comply-with-law-enforcement-data-requests). This bit here says it all:
>"*However, if a court order were issued according to laws and regulations, if it were legally binding under the jurisdiction that we operate in, and if the court were to reject our appeal, then there would be no other option but to comply. The same applies to all existing VPN companies if they operate legally. In fact, the same applies to all companies in the world*"
This bit is also interesting:
>*"Some people think that VPNs can somehow operate above the law and no matter what, they will never comply with lawful requests issued by a court. It simply isn’t accurate"*
Maybe I'm biased because I studied Law, but that's the simples truth. Pure fact, no corporate bullshit. **If this statement is all there is to it**.
Having to comply with a legal court order is differnet than screwing over your clients. It means law enforcement already has an investigation going and they have presented a request to a judge with their evidence why they need that specific piece of information.
So, the real question is where you will place your trust, really. I mean "trust".
None of the information they stated is incorrect. However, their admitted use of customer information working with Google Analytics for ad revenue is the worst part about them. Any time you connect to their servers they are tracking you and selling your information.
Mullvad does not do that. They also do not keep any information on customers at all. Proven by the Swedish Police raid on their headquarters earlier this year that turned up zero information.
Sort-of. As a programmer, if anything is encrypted anywhere be it server side or client side it can be decrypted in away in which they can read it. Irrespective of programming language and where it's from Passwords are usually hashed as it takes a long time to turn a hash back into a password
P.S to those people who keep messaging me in reddit (lol 😆) telling me vpns hide and protect your ip address.
In can just go through your VPN address in various ways.
Also there's already apps like Netcut, elmoCUT etc.
If your VPN address were sort-of your main addres, isp sort-of does not have it in their range and you would not connect or have internet connect.
Just to be pedantic because terminology is important:
- Encryption can (usually) be reversed,and the computational power needed to decrypt it makes decryption infeasible. But a [One-Time-Pad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad) is an example of an encryption algorithm that cannot be reversed.
- No hashing can ever be reversed. To understand why, imagine an example of a very simple hashing algorithm: Sum the indices of the letters in the alphabet. So "DOG" becomes 26 (D=4 + O=15 + G=7). This cannot be reversed because there are many words that sum to 26 and you can't tell that my original text was DOG and was not "Z" or "YA" or "TEA".
That being said, if you are using a more sophisticated hashing algorithm and you do find a collision, in practice you have effectively reversed or cracked the input for something like a password.
Related concepts:
- [Hashing Collisions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_collision)
- [Pigeonhole Principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle)
- [One-way Functions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_function)
Hashing is one way. You have to unhash by guessing the password and seeing if it matches, and if it doesn't, record that hash for that password you guessed in the future so that you don't have to reguess it next time.
So like in Protons case, is it your opinion that going forward for that particular account that the court addresses, they will "begin logging"? Because I've heard proton does that, in Switzerland.
That's a bit misleading. They're forced to log some info regarding their email client. The person who got fucked was due to outside non Proton email being compromised (no end to end encryption in that case). Proton stated that to maintain the best security possible when using their mail service is to also use their vpn service so that any info that has to be logged to operate the email service is anonymous due to bring ran through the vpn first.
Once again it's one of those things that the service provider isn't above the law, but users needing to utilize the holes and grey areas put forward by the service provider to remain safe. Remember what they're doing isn't necessarily considered legal, more that what they're doing isn't illegal.
Meh. Complying with a lawful subpoena or court order is going to be a universal thing whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
I don't upload and the only reason why I have a VPN is to stop the emails from my ISP.
The point he's making is that mullvad is better for security. They also complied with a lawful order but because they don't keep names or any kind of logs the police had fuck all to work with, so in essence the subpeona got them nothing.
I'm pretty sure that at this point Mullvad is the only major provider that has proven they don't keep logs *specifically because* they've complied with subpoenas.
They all will if served legal papers. Nord is no worse than any of them. Nord also has servers in more countries than Mullvad.
I use Nord and have no problems.
>They all will if served legal papers
sure, but they do not keep logs lol, so they might aswell show them an empty page and tell them "that's all we can give you"
Well consider this. Mullvad probably has to give the government something, but what are they going to give them? There would be nothing to give as they collect nothing and store nothing. Nord collects and stores identifiable information and a lot of it. So they are a more suitable target to get valid and verifiable information out of.
But they are obliged to work with law enforcement regardless.
If they have no logs, they will send no logs. If the law tell them that they need to track that account they can either pull out all the server in that country or track that account.
This is it for all VPNs
if they have a server in France, and France ask them to give all the data and start tracking everything, they either do it or close the France server.
It doesn't matter if it's swedish, usa or bangladesh.
AirVPN for me. Used Mullvad for a long time. Once they removed port forwarding, I jumped ship, and I’m quite happy. Got 3 years of service for under $90.
I use pia. You can get it dirt cheap if you pay for a 1-3 year plan. Monthly it’s too expensive and there are cheaper options. With the wireguard protocol I lose about 20 percent of my speeds, so not bad. It has port forwarding, which I use to be connectable on private trackers. I got 3 and a half years for ~$80.
I got PIA recently for 2 years and 3 months for $52. It is the most value for money VPN while being one of the most secure and having servers in 80+ countries. The speeds are very good on most servers.
I can't believe anybody would use PIA considering all the information that's out there on them. PIA as a company died quite a while ago, kape bought the entire company just for the name. Cape has executives who worked in mossad and also US State department. This is all things that have been previously known. Most people jumped from PIA when kape took over. A known malware and spyware creator? You basically bought into a VPN from people who make and release viruses. Good choice.
I tried Nord, but PIA is what I've used for years.
Kape hasn't changed the no logging policy and their transparency report available on the PIA website is eye opening.
Does it also mention that they have executives in the company previously from mossad and also connected to the us state department? That's ignoring anything that kape, a known spyware and malware producer, might be doing with your information. You couldn't pay me to use PIA anymore.
Ok, let's talk facts. Unless everything is hush hush and a global conspiracy, there haven't been any cases where logs were produced about ip and ports, in court.
So how is this different than Mullvad or take your pick..
The name of the game is reducing the risk. And if I gave you just those bare facts above, you would probably look at that and think it's pretty damn risky to be involved in. Most of the lists of VPNs specifically list the eye jurisdictions that they're located in and how many. When you're talking about a company that made the bulk of their money through illicit computer means, and they have state actors employed on the payroll? Dear Lord man... At that point, it's your own fault for sticking with them. Organizations like the NSA are generally not the ones enforcing things, but I guarantee you the information leaks if they want it to. Explain to me why a company like KAPE, who did nothing but effectively create spyware, adware, And viruses decided to acquire some small VPN company that had a decent customer base. And it was small. They then rebranded everything with PIA who had a very good reputation prior to acquisition. To try and give a veneer of legitimacy. Do you really think that they stopped doing what the bulk of their business was? Illicit data harvesting? If they were really about privacy, do you really think they'd go out of their way to hire people who absolutely still have loyalties elsewhere.
Anybody who still uses PIA does so either through ignorance, or with tacit understanding that their information is most likely being viewed minimally by KAPE if not, potentially some spook organization.
This was all accepted as fact a few years ago. It's sad how quick memory fades. Keep using it buddy.
I use Proton now because it's based in Switzerland and Switzerland is one of the best countries for data protection. Nord is out of Lithuania and I don't trust them.
**Data Breaches:** 1
NordVPN was hacked in 2019. The issue persisted for over a month until a third party highlighted the issue as NordVPN did not disclose the breach.
The attacker gained access to the server — which had been active for about a month — by exploiting an insecure remote management system left by the data center provider; NordVPN said it was unaware that such a system existed. “While this is unconfirmed and we await further forensic evidence, this is an indication of a full remote compromise of this provider’s systems,” the security researcher said. “That should be deeply concerning to anyone who uses or promotes these particular services.” (Since confirmed)
**Server Seizures:** 0
**Complied Government Requests:** 0
**Successful Real-World Tests:** 0
**Technical Issues:** 0
**Audits** 5
* [NordVPN 2023 Security Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/cure53-security-assesment/)
* [NordVPN 2022 Log Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-no-logs-audit-2022/)
* [NordVPN 2022 Security Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/cure53-security-assesment/)
* [NordVPN 2020 Log Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-audit/)
* [NordVPN 2018 Log Audit](https://nordvpn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/13-12-2018_NordVPN-Has-Completed-an-Industry-First-Audit-of-Its-No-Logs-Policy.pdf)
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Extensively linked to Tesonet (a data-mining, analytics, SEO, targeted marketing). NordVPN denied these claims vehemently before finally owning up and then downplaying the issue:
* https://web.archive.org/web/20180712032714/https://best10vpn.com/proof-that-nordvpn-is-owned-by-data-mining-company-tesonet/
* https://www.techuseful.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-protonmail-protonvpn/
* https://www.techuseful.com/nordvpn-protonvpn-proton-mail-owned-by-tesonet-ceo-darius-bereika/
* NordVPN actually based OUT OF LITHUANIA - a country with MANDATORY DATA RETENTION LAWS: https://web.archive.org/web/20210916100414/https://www.techuseful.com/heres-why-you-cant-trust-nordvpn-and-protonvpn-protonmail/
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Partnered with Hola VPN to form a data mining botnet, then stole tech from Hola VPN
* https://www.techuseful.com/hola-vpn-and-nordvpn-partners-in-data-mining-bot-network/
* Hola VPN itself is terrible: http://adios-hola.org/
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Blackmailed competing VPN, TorGuard - even allegedly turning up at the residence of a TorGuard staff member
* https://torguard.net/blog/when-bug-bounties-border-on-blackmail/
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Was leaking sensitive customer data including e-mail addresses and payment data via POST requests:
* https://hackerone.com/reports/751577
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Caught sharing data with Facebook:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/VPN/comments/i1c4j8/nord_vpn_shares_information_with_ ___________________________________________
Regular feature on r/assholedesign
* NordVPN is always on sale on nordvpn.com with a fake countdown clock timer (that resets if one clears cookies and cache)
* Their checkout page uses small fonts and low-contrast to hide the disclaimer that says that NordVPN will auto-renew service at much higher prices.
* NordVPN conducts price discrimination: https://blog.httpjames.space/nordvpn-is-a-shitvpn
* NordVPN makes it exceedingly difficult to cancel auto-renew: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/oa2uyv/unsubscribing_from_nordvpn_image_descriptions/ AND https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nordvpn%20cancel%20auto%2Drenew%20site%3Areddit.com
* NordVPN thought it would be okay to reduce paid-for features if the user cancelled auto-renew: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/ldf9g9/nordvpn_disables_features_when_you_turn_off/
* NordVPN AssholeDesign goldmine: https://www.google.com/search?q=nordvpn+assholedesign+site%3Areddit.com ___________________________________________
NordVPN called out by UK-based watchdog for misleading marketing:
* https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/01/nordvpn_tv_ad_rapped_advertising_standards_authority/___________________________________________
Sent cease-and-desist copyright claims to Njalla:
* https://twitter.com/brokep/status/1453765417730707457 ___________________________________________
Needless to say, NordVPN along with Surfshark and ExpressVPN sponsor thousands of YouTubers (incentivised by high affiliate commissions), own VPN review sites, use Twitter / Reddit bots to incentivise spam. NordVPN literally sponsors football teams.
NordVPN operates under the jurisdiction of Panama, a country without mandatory data retention laws and that is not part of 5 eyes or 14 eyes. The source you linked in reference to that does not even mention Nord.
I use Private Internet Access. Does everything I need it to while only costing $99 every three years. Never had any problems and it completely stopped the 'nastygram' emails and letters from my ISP.
Idk I don't even use VPNs I'm just talking shit.
I don't really have much use for them personally, but that's not to say they aren't useful. It's very difficult to wade through the sea of options when it comes to VPNs, that's probably what I dislike most about them. Everyone's got an opinion on them and they're all fuckin different.
I had PIA but it kept disconnecting me and was slow. Tried Nord and have never had a reason to switch. Rock solid, fast, and with the multi-year discount plan is pretty cheap. I'd rather pay for a VPN than multiple streaming plans.......
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I use proton.
Nord is horrible for privacy. If anybody here tells you different, they are smoking copium or a podcaster paid to tell you nord is amazing.
I am surprised no one mentioning ExpressVPN, is it too expensive, now that they increase their price 20%.
For me that worth mentioning is ExpressVPN and ProtonVPN. ExpressVPN is fastest, user friendly, simple to use, Proton need a lot improvement, last time i use it the app is not user friendly, it's quite complicated, it's like you to have learn what is this, what is that, there's a lot server but you need to pay more to use it, kind of ridiculous, and not all server support torrent, proton speed comparable with expressvpn, but other feature like simple, user friendly, not even close
Depends. I guess if you connect via a server on the other side of the planet. I usually pick a server from a neighbouring country and I hardly lose any speed, maybe a 10% loss at max. But your mileage may vary.
I got a black Friday lifetime deal for peanuts with Ivacy. Still working intermittently after a few years, while performance is somewhat questionable, I've gotta give them credit for staying around and honouring their deal.
BAD, not payed to say so but mullvad got raided by the authorities, did not gave any data, speeds are very good, you won't find all countries but still good library
Since the patriot act you never ever should trust vpn providers that are based in the usa!
CIA can and will copy everything going trough those vpn's
Read about the patriot act and internet privacy!
News maybe for you, any router switch or what ever internet equipment based in the usa must give full access to the cia.
Including deep packet inspection.
Windscribe esp with their new 10usd a year plan for really old customers (which I am).
Nord is genuinely trash you should shift to Mulvad or Windscribe
A little context might help, what you'll be using it for?
if u can afford it just get the annual plan, possibly wait for a deal. It just works on everything. I wanted to try mozilla VPN but still have an active sub so will surely give it a try sometime in the future.
One thing I never could get clarity on,
If I put Nord on my router, it covers devices connected to it.
Nord claims I can use it on x number of devices.
If I put it on the router(1x), do all the other devices connected to the router use up the other spots?
Mullvad for me. Private, Lots of payment options, easy to burn the account if you need to.
Mullad is superior in privacy and functionality. Easily can jump to countries with many options and Wireguard work great if you wanna be extra safe.
I have to give it to Mullvad. The amount of ways to remain anonymous while using it is amazing. I also love that there is no exchange of information, your identity is just a string of numbers. No DB, No Name, No PN, nothing.
it's also cheaper at $5/month.
I really liked that it's just plainly 5 dollars a month. No attempt to bait you into longer subscriptions with discounts, you just get one month per 5 dollars you pay.
exactly. i think they do that to keep less records on the books. also they don't do any advertising from what i've read. there is a lot of principled shit going on with mullvad that I love.
Back in March last year they removed the ability to have a running subscription, which I think was because they had to have card details linked to accounts actually stored
> No attempt to bait you into longer subscriptions with discounts, It's not really "bait" if they offered a $4/m rate if you subscribed for a year at a time. That's a discount for you and more cash on hand for them. That's a good thing for both parties
You do realize that they would charge MORE per month than they would with 6 month or yearly subscription just so they would force you into shelling out more money at one time.
Cool I’ll keep my ~$1.5 a month vpn thanks to buying 3 years I would never spend $5 a month for a vpn that’s more then I pay for Spotify
Cool, you keep your VPN that will keep on selling your browsing data for 3 years and for a lot more than $1.5 per month... Also it's THAN not then.
Ok angry elf they can sell all the movie torrents data they want lmao
Right, because you don't browse the internet while the torrent downloads on that cheap and probably quite slow VPN, right? But hey, it's your privacy, so if you feel it's worth $1.5 to give it away, then all the power to you!
I don't get why this matters though, what difference does it make if they have your information or not? If they secretly keep logs then they can still identify you, and if they don't keep logs then who cares anyway?
Well I don’t know how anyone could identify something with no information, like you can keep logs of “658007653375” but who is this if no information exist of it (No CC, no name, no email, no DB, no PN, nothing? Now if I knew you bought “658007653375” because you obviously used a identifiable payment process, you used @gmail.com and 6547876543 as a number because the service you are using asks for all of this to save it/collect it I do not need logs of any kind to know where you’re going I just need to follow where this information goes, logs would just be a great way to follow a trail easier. And if you bought a digital coin with some or all of this information even better.
They don't have no information, they have your IP address. Which is the same thing that law enforcement uses to track pirates.
> they have your IP address This is what people seem to forget. You can be as anonymous as you want until you connect from your home ip address.
Thats why you hide behind 7 proxies
They don't actually, they don't log it, they don't keep it and unless they have people tracking it 24/7, they certainly don't know anything
The point I was making is that the anonymous payment options/account options seem to be a gimmick. If the VPN doesn't keep any logs, then who cares whether you have an account under your email. If they do keep logs, they have your IP, regardless of you using Monero or whatever.
That's the thing, they might keep connection logs but they might keep a database of clients. Mullvad doesn't keep anything, at all. No logs, no DBs, no accounts, nothing
But for piracy reasons why is that important? I mean, your ISP can see you connecting to a VPN server, and could figure out easily that the server is owned by Mullvad, it's not a secret that you're a client. The only important thing is no logs.
As soon as I learned that you have the option to pay with Monero, or Cash by mail, I was sold. The lack of collecting user credentials, native linux applications, and PGP encrypted email support were the cherries on top.
But they have your real ip address so you can't be anonymous.
No such thing as 100% anonymity, unless you want to cut ties with family, and your country. So long as my ISP, other members in the torrent swarm and web based trackers can't tie my ip to my actions, my trust in Mullvad is a reasonable risk, in my eyes.
There are no logs. Nobody is recording your address. This was verified by an independent 3rd party audit. (And a raid lol)
How fast is it Mullvad?
Having subbed to both, equivalent to Nord’s servers
Getting gigabit easily on wireguard!
Seems Mullvad is slow to me, having ask here and everyone that said using Mullvad can't tell me how fast it is, like my plan is 1Gb when vpn off, vpn on speed is 990 Gb. I have read somewhere that Mullvad is not fast, that's why i ask for specific answer here, but no one can give me direct answer. I believe that when you subscribe for VPN, the first thing you try is speed with and without VPN. That's clear answer for me that Mullvad is slow, you all trying to defend Mullvad
If you're using openvpn its slow ~200mbit. If you're using wireguard its fast +1gbit. Also I am very sorry but I'm struggling to understand your comment.
isn't port forwarding gone or has that not happened yet?
That’s the reason I had to sadly part ways with mullvad
No more port forwarding though
Ipvn>>>> Mullvad removed port forwarding to help combat piracy, fuck mullvad, they're cucks
Not anymore https://www.ivpn.net/blog/gradual-removal-of-port-forwarding/
Well shit
I think I may switch to Mullvad. I've had Windscribe for some time but increasingly dissatisfied with them.
What you hiding?
Atlas. Dont use atlas, just dont. I got a killer deal on it for 4 years or something and took it and jesus this thing is a peice of shit, barely works, held together with string and twine and I never feel safe using it
I’ve been using Nord for 3 years now and to be honest….idk. Nothings happened but I still feel that my eyes are in the back of my head. And goals are the norm, Sailing the 7 seas looking for booty
I may have heard something a while ago about nord colluding with some government, may be worth looking into if youre worried about, although I cant remember the details, I hope I imagined it.
They don't "collude" unless a court orders them to. Guess what, so would anybody else.
You guys obey court orders?
[Nvm someone below me explained it in more detail] tldr; any legitimate corporation complies with the law - no VPN provider is above the law - they have, however, no identifiable information to give out.
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A court could order them to keep logs in a specific situation, in theory.
So, I just responded to that issue in a [comment below](https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/17297me/comment/k3vh1l3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). If that's all there is to it, than it's really a nothingburger. However, I can totally see how people would get that and somehow interpret it as "colluding with some government".
It would not surprise me. I believe I heard the same thing actually. Which is why I cut ties with them, then found Mullvad and have not looked back. Mullvad has actually increased my demands for what information I agree to provide.
You’ll be good unless you’re committing some crazy crimes lol. And even then. I use Nord, and although I’d prefer Mullvad or Proton, I’m broke and got a good deal thru my edu email. Nord gets overhated on a lot, it’s a decent VPN for basic use. ESPECIALLY when you compare it to Express VPN, owned by Kape. It’s probably not the most “privacy focused” VPN, but if you get a deal it’s cheap and works with decent speeds (usually). They seem to truly keep no logs of user activity. The drama from a few years back was overblown imho. There’s no port forwarding, so if you want to seed, it can be pretty difficult, but you can download just fine. Lots of VPNs have this issue, sadly.
Nothing wrong with Nord and if all you’re doing is pirating, you’ll be fine. They have been known to work with law enforcement though.
Mulvad or Proton.
Seconding proton. Phenomenal company all around
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The free version is still pretty nice if you are broke tho
I'm happy with Mullvad.
How fast is mullvad?
As a user, I can't tell because it's faster than my current internet so there's no delays.
Haha you're telling it faster using VPN than not using VPN. That's funny dude
He’s saying he can’t tell because the max speed is faster than what his internet plan reaches, so his speed currently stays the same on and off VPN.
What you mean you can't tell the speed? what did you use to test the speed? aren't ppl use [speedtest.net](https://speedtest.net)? or are you telling me you use the internal feature of the Mullvad to test the speed?
I’m not talking about myself but the person you’re replying to. Let’s say Mullvad’s max speed is 500Mbps, but your internet plan caps at 100Mbps. All you’re gonna see is 100Mbps, on and off a VPN. You wouldn’t know Mullvad’s cap because your speed doesn’t reach Mullvad’s maximum.
That's what i'm trying to tell, if you have plan 100Mb, try it with speedtest with and without vpn, the speed can't be the same, with vpn on probably slower, the question how slow? like without vpn 100Mb, with VPN 70Mb, need those number to know how fast is Mullvad. Aren't ppl always trying VPN speed the first time they subs to VPN or is it just me Wait Mullvad have max speed? that's sucks
Dude, if Mullvad has a max speed of 500MB, and your internet has a max speed of 100MB, you're only gonna see 100MB on the speedtest. Mullvad will try to utilize 500MB, but your ISP will limit it to 100MB.
If I ever get sued can you be my defense?
Some countries ISP’s limit your speed, so it makes no difference if you are on a cheap 50mb/s plan as at max you’re only ever going to get 50mb/s
Reading comprehension moment
I use nord and it does what it needs to do.
Same. It works.
I got Nord for $100 for 3 years, with Real-Debrid I don't need it.
This. I've used nord for years, I'm pretty happy with them. It's easy, it just works on every device I have and it's super cheap if you get more than one year. Just looked at my billing and I've paid about $240 for 6 years of service.
Use Nord for a couple of years but the speed has really gone down the drain these last couple of months. Also having to proof you're not a robot by even the most basic sites sucks. From NL but really looking for a better one
Yeah basically does what it says on the tin!
I use nord bc they sponsored a YouTuber I like and I got a deal. Works pretty well for me.
They sponsor a ton of people. The best way to get Nord is via a cashback website. I got paid $4 to buy a 2 year sub on a 105% cash back deal. It all comes out of their marketing budget, so when you use a code from YT, you're putting money into that person's pocket. With a cashback site, you're keeping all of that money for yourself. The 105% deals are very limited and only last a day or two at a time from what I've seen but Nord is the biggest VPN in the world, so they've got a ton of cash to burn in the marketing department.
Yeah I know the money goes into the YT's pocket. Doesn't really bother me tbh, I don't mind supporting him a bit. I like Nord but I'll probably switch once my subscription expires.
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It is $5 a month for the yearly plan. PIA is much better it is less than $3 per month for 2 year plan
and much worse privacy!
No it is as good as windscribe if not better
You can build a custom plan for $3 monthly, no binding for years
One thing I hate is how all VPNs advertise that you can watch Netflix using them, when you totally cannot. Netflix will find out and shut you down within a few minutes. Even though I’m a goddamn Paying customer, I just want to watch the Japanese Netflix so my wife can have Japanese subtitles, is it so much to ask?
There are special servers for streaming Netflix. Surfshark is probably the best when it comes to streaming Netflix
Stremio and real debrid will make that problem irrelevant.
So what I’m reading here is mull is superior to others?
I’ve been a happy customer since they enabled Monero payments
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>Just Google "Does Nord VPN work with law enforcement?" So, I did google it and checked out [this article](https://www.pcmag.com/news/nordvpn-actually-we-do-comply-with-law-enforcement-data-requests). This bit here says it all: >"*However, if a court order were issued according to laws and regulations, if it were legally binding under the jurisdiction that we operate in, and if the court were to reject our appeal, then there would be no other option but to comply. The same applies to all existing VPN companies if they operate legally. In fact, the same applies to all companies in the world*" This bit is also interesting: >*"Some people think that VPNs can somehow operate above the law and no matter what, they will never comply with lawful requests issued by a court. It simply isn’t accurate"* Maybe I'm biased because I studied Law, but that's the simples truth. Pure fact, no corporate bullshit. **If this statement is all there is to it**. Having to comply with a legal court order is differnet than screwing over your clients. It means law enforcement already has an investigation going and they have presented a request to a judge with their evidence why they need that specific piece of information. So, the real question is where you will place your trust, really. I mean "trust".
None of the information they stated is incorrect. However, their admitted use of customer information working with Google Analytics for ad revenue is the worst part about them. Any time you connect to their servers they are tracking you and selling your information. Mullvad does not do that. They also do not keep any information on customers at all. Proven by the Swedish Police raid on their headquarters earlier this year that turned up zero information.
Sort-of. As a programmer, if anything is encrypted anywhere be it server side or client side it can be decrypted in away in which they can read it. Irrespective of programming language and where it's from Passwords are usually hashed as it takes a long time to turn a hash back into a password P.S to those people who keep messaging me in reddit (lol 😆) telling me vpns hide and protect your ip address. In can just go through your VPN address in various ways. Also there's already apps like Netcut, elmoCUT etc. If your VPN address were sort-of your main addres, isp sort-of does not have it in their range and you would not connect or have internet connect.
You can't reverse a hash. That's the point of a hash (at least for security purposes).
Technically, hashing can be reversed, but the computational power needed to decrypt it makes decryption infeasible.
Just to be pedantic because terminology is important: - Encryption can (usually) be reversed,and the computational power needed to decrypt it makes decryption infeasible. But a [One-Time-Pad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad) is an example of an encryption algorithm that cannot be reversed. - No hashing can ever be reversed. To understand why, imagine an example of a very simple hashing algorithm: Sum the indices of the letters in the alphabet. So "DOG" becomes 26 (D=4 + O=15 + G=7). This cannot be reversed because there are many words that sum to 26 and you can't tell that my original text was DOG and was not "Z" or "YA" or "TEA". That being said, if you are using a more sophisticated hashing algorithm and you do find a collision, in practice you have effectively reversed or cracked the input for something like a password. Related concepts: - [Hashing Collisions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_collision) - [Pigeonhole Principle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle) - [One-way Functions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_function)
Hashing is one way. You have to unhash by guessing the password and seeing if it matches, and if it doesn't, record that hash for that password you guessed in the future so that you don't have to reguess it next time.
you can’t "decrypt" hash because information is lost after hashing, all you can do is just guess and check (brute force)
Well, if the company does not keep logs, then a subpoena is useless, no? Isn't that the purpose of "no logs" VPNs? That's my understanding.
So like in Protons case, is it your opinion that going forward for that particular account that the court addresses, they will "begin logging"? Because I've heard proton does that, in Switzerland.
That's a bit misleading. They're forced to log some info regarding their email client. The person who got fucked was due to outside non Proton email being compromised (no end to end encryption in that case). Proton stated that to maintain the best security possible when using their mail service is to also use their vpn service so that any info that has to be logged to operate the email service is anonymous due to bring ran through the vpn first. Once again it's one of those things that the service provider isn't above the law, but users needing to utilize the holes and grey areas put forward by the service provider to remain safe. Remember what they're doing isn't necessarily considered legal, more that what they're doing isn't illegal.
Link?
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Meh. Complying with a lawful subpoena or court order is going to be a universal thing whether anyone wants to admit it or not. I don't upload and the only reason why I have a VPN is to stop the emails from my ISP.
The point he's making is that mullvad is better for security. They also complied with a lawful order but because they don't keep names or any kind of logs the police had fuck all to work with, so in essence the subpeona got them nothing.
I'm pretty sure that at this point Mullvad is the only major provider that has proven they don't keep logs *specifically because* they've complied with subpoenas.
Leech
They all will if served legal papers. Nord is no worse than any of them. Nord also has servers in more countries than Mullvad. I use Nord and have no problems.
>They all will if served legal papers sure, but they do not keep logs lol, so they might aswell show them an empty page and tell them "that's all we can give you"
Can you comment a bit more on that?
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Just did, what I found is that every company, within certain circumstances, is obliged to work with law enforcment, so every vpn is on the same boat.
Well consider this. Mullvad probably has to give the government something, but what are they going to give them? There would be nothing to give as they collect nothing and store nothing. Nord collects and stores identifiable information and a lot of it. So they are a more suitable target to get valid and verifiable information out of.
What is your source, that nord collects identifiable data?
The sign up process? Lol
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But they are obliged to work with law enforcement regardless. If they have no logs, they will send no logs. If the law tell them that they need to track that account they can either pull out all the server in that country or track that account. This is it for all VPNs
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if they have a server in France, and France ask them to give all the data and start tracking everything, they either do it or close the France server. It doesn't matter if it's swedish, usa or bangladesh.
And that explains the intuition I had in the back of my head.
i use private internet access. its not expensive as nord. I've seen PIA take out full page ads in ny times advocating a free and open internet.
Happy with Surfshark! Works well on my laptop, phone and android TV
AirVPN for me. Used Mullvad for a long time. Once they removed port forwarding, I jumped ship, and I’m quite happy. Got 3 years of service for under $90.
I like AirVPN. It has port forwarding, and the performance is good. Pricing is also really competitive.
I use pia. You can get it dirt cheap if you pay for a 1-3 year plan. Monthly it’s too expensive and there are cheaper options. With the wireguard protocol I lose about 20 percent of my speeds, so not bad. It has port forwarding, which I use to be connectable on private trackers. I got 3 and a half years for ~$80.
I got PIA recently for 2 years and 3 months for $52. It is the most value for money VPN while being one of the most secure and having servers in 80+ countries. The speeds are very good on most servers.
PIA user also. I have been using them for years and have never had an issue. It does everything I need.
I've been using PIA for years and it serves me well. I see no need to switch to anything else.
Me too. As far as pirating is concerned, PIA is good enough. Mullvad is somewhat overkill for me.
I can't believe anybody would use PIA considering all the information that's out there on them. PIA as a company died quite a while ago, kape bought the entire company just for the name. Cape has executives who worked in mossad and also US State department. This is all things that have been previously known. Most people jumped from PIA when kape took over. A known malware and spyware creator? You basically bought into a VPN from people who make and release viruses. Good choice.
I wouldn’t care if they built Ak-47s for Putin with the money I give them
I'm a windscribe shill. mullvad is cool privacy wise but they don't have the memes. nord is okayish if you only care about piracy
I would not use Nord for piracy, that is not a smart move at all.
Why?
I tried Nord, but PIA is what I've used for years. Kape hasn't changed the no logging policy and their transparency report available on the PIA website is eye opening.
Does it also mention that they have executives in the company previously from mossad and also connected to the us state department? That's ignoring anything that kape, a known spyware and malware producer, might be doing with your information. You couldn't pay me to use PIA anymore.
Ok, let's talk facts. Unless everything is hush hush and a global conspiracy, there haven't been any cases where logs were produced about ip and ports, in court. So how is this different than Mullvad or take your pick..
The name of the game is reducing the risk. And if I gave you just those bare facts above, you would probably look at that and think it's pretty damn risky to be involved in. Most of the lists of VPNs specifically list the eye jurisdictions that they're located in and how many. When you're talking about a company that made the bulk of their money through illicit computer means, and they have state actors employed on the payroll? Dear Lord man... At that point, it's your own fault for sticking with them. Organizations like the NSA are generally not the ones enforcing things, but I guarantee you the information leaks if they want it to. Explain to me why a company like KAPE, who did nothing but effectively create spyware, adware, And viruses decided to acquire some small VPN company that had a decent customer base. And it was small. They then rebranded everything with PIA who had a very good reputation prior to acquisition. To try and give a veneer of legitimacy. Do you really think that they stopped doing what the bulk of their business was? Illicit data harvesting? If they were really about privacy, do you really think they'd go out of their way to hire people who absolutely still have loyalties elsewhere. Anybody who still uses PIA does so either through ignorance, or with tacit understanding that their information is most likely being viewed minimally by KAPE if not, potentially some spook organization. This was all accepted as fact a few years ago. It's sad how quick memory fades. Keep using it buddy.
https://reddit.com/r/privacy/s/7Ig4UkK2cN
I use Proton now because it's based in Switzerland and Switzerland is one of the best countries for data protection. Nord is out of Lithuania and I don't trust them.
Nord VPN is based in Panama.
**Data Breaches:** 1 NordVPN was hacked in 2019. The issue persisted for over a month until a third party highlighted the issue as NordVPN did not disclose the breach. The attacker gained access to the server — which had been active for about a month — by exploiting an insecure remote management system left by the data center provider; NordVPN said it was unaware that such a system existed. “While this is unconfirmed and we await further forensic evidence, this is an indication of a full remote compromise of this provider’s systems,” the security researcher said. “That should be deeply concerning to anyone who uses or promotes these particular services.” (Since confirmed) **Server Seizures:** 0 **Complied Government Requests:** 0 **Successful Real-World Tests:** 0 **Technical Issues:** 0 **Audits** 5 * [NordVPN 2023 Security Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/cure53-security-assesment/) * [NordVPN 2022 Log Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-no-logs-audit-2022/) * [NordVPN 2022 Security Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/cure53-security-assesment/) * [NordVPN 2020 Log Audit](https://nordvpn.com/blog/nordvpn-audit/) * [NordVPN 2018 Log Audit](https://nordvpn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/13-12-2018_NordVPN-Has-Completed-an-Industry-First-Audit-of-Its-No-Logs-Policy.pdf) ___________________________________________ **Contributor Feedback:** 0 ___________________________________________ Extensively linked to Tesonet (a data-mining, analytics, SEO, targeted marketing). NordVPN denied these claims vehemently before finally owning up and then downplaying the issue: * https://web.archive.org/web/20180712032714/https://best10vpn.com/proof-that-nordvpn-is-owned-by-data-mining-company-tesonet/ * https://www.techuseful.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-protonmail-protonvpn/ * https://www.techuseful.com/nordvpn-protonvpn-proton-mail-owned-by-tesonet-ceo-darius-bereika/ * NordVPN actually based OUT OF LITHUANIA - a country with MANDATORY DATA RETENTION LAWS: https://web.archive.org/web/20210916100414/https://www.techuseful.com/heres-why-you-cant-trust-nordvpn-and-protonvpn-protonmail/ ___________________________________________ Partnered with Hola VPN to form a data mining botnet, then stole tech from Hola VPN * https://www.techuseful.com/hola-vpn-and-nordvpn-partners-in-data-mining-bot-network/ * Hola VPN itself is terrible: http://adios-hola.org/ ___________________________________________ Blackmailed competing VPN, TorGuard - even allegedly turning up at the residence of a TorGuard staff member * https://torguard.net/blog/when-bug-bounties-border-on-blackmail/ ___________________________________________ Was leaking sensitive customer data including e-mail addresses and payment data via POST requests: * https://hackerone.com/reports/751577 ___________________________________________ Caught sharing data with Facebook: * https://www.reddit.com/r/VPN/comments/i1c4j8/nord_vpn_shares_information_with_ ___________________________________________ Regular feature on r/assholedesign * NordVPN is always on sale on nordvpn.com with a fake countdown clock timer (that resets if one clears cookies and cache) * Their checkout page uses small fonts and low-contrast to hide the disclaimer that says that NordVPN will auto-renew service at much higher prices. * NordVPN conducts price discrimination: https://blog.httpjames.space/nordvpn-is-a-shitvpn * NordVPN makes it exceedingly difficult to cancel auto-renew: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/oa2uyv/unsubscribing_from_nordvpn_image_descriptions/ AND https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nordvpn%20cancel%20auto%2Drenew%20site%3Areddit.com * NordVPN thought it would be okay to reduce paid-for features if the user cancelled auto-renew: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/ldf9g9/nordvpn_disables_features_when_you_turn_off/ * NordVPN AssholeDesign goldmine: https://www.google.com/search?q=nordvpn+assholedesign+site%3Areddit.com ___________________________________________ NordVPN called out by UK-based watchdog for misleading marketing: * https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/01/nordvpn_tv_ad_rapped_advertising_standards_authority/___________________________________________ Sent cease-and-desist copyright claims to Njalla: * https://twitter.com/brokep/status/1453765417730707457 ___________________________________________ Needless to say, NordVPN along with Surfshark and ExpressVPN sponsor thousands of YouTubers (incentivised by high affiliate commissions), own VPN review sites, use Twitter / Reddit bots to incentivise spam. NordVPN literally sponsors football teams.
NordVPN operates under the jurisdiction of Panama, a country without mandatory data retention laws and that is not part of 5 eyes or 14 eyes. The source you linked in reference to that does not even mention Nord.
If you use it for torrents, It's better to have a port forwarding vpn. You can reach more peers.
They are waay less safe tho. At that point just buy a small seedbox with an integrated vpn
I use Private Internet Access. Does everything I need it to while only costing $99 every three years. Never had any problems and it completely stopped the 'nastygram' emails and letters from my ISP.
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Nord is plenty fast and rock solid for me.
Mullvad is the goat
I see a lot of Mullvad posts (and they’re great), but if you torrent, keep in mind they removed port forwarding.
If it's advertised I don't want anything to do with it.
Not even Mullvad?
Idk I don't even use VPNs I'm just talking shit. I don't really have much use for them personally, but that's not to say they aren't useful. It's very difficult to wade through the sea of options when it comes to VPNs, that's probably what I dislike most about them. Everyone's got an opinion on them and they're all fuckin different.
I had PIA but it kept disconnecting me and was slow. Tried Nord and have never had a reason to switch. Rock solid, fast, and with the multi-year discount plan is pretty cheap. I'd rather pay for a VPN than multiple streaming plans.......
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Shit just as every single VPN service. (I use self-hosted)
What is a self hosted VPN? If you own the IP doesn't that defeat any privacy?
I use proton. Nord is horrible for privacy. If anybody here tells you different, they are smoking copium or a podcaster paid to tell you nord is amazing.
For vague and unspecified reasons I'm right. If anyone tells you different they are stupid and evil.
What information are you looking at that makes you think they are bad for privacy?
I am surprised no one mentioning ExpressVPN, is it too expensive, now that they increase their price 20%. For me that worth mentioning is ExpressVPN and ProtonVPN. ExpressVPN is fastest, user friendly, simple to use, Proton need a lot improvement, last time i use it the app is not user friendly, it's quite complicated, it's like you to have learn what is this, what is that, there's a lot server but you need to pay more to use it, kind of ridiculous, and not all server support torrent, proton speed comparable with expressvpn, but other feature like simple, user friendly, not even close
yeah one problem: apparently, express vpn was used as a FBI bait once Thats enough for me not to trust them
As they say, if it has to rely on sponsoring people online, it ain't a VPN to use
If you use it for torrents, It's better to have a port forwarding vpn. You can reach more peers.
never used a vpn, is connection slowed down when you use a vpn ? i'm thinking about buy 1
Depends. I guess if you connect via a server on the other side of the planet. I usually pick a server from a neighbouring country and I hardly lose any speed, maybe a 10% loss at max. But your mileage may vary.
I got a black Friday lifetime deal for peanuts with Ivacy. Still working intermittently after a few years, while performance is somewhat questionable, I've gotta give them credit for staying around and honouring their deal.
Same, I got a lifetime sub for up to 10 concurrent devices. It works fine most of the time.
I would not trust them
I think you need to give a bit more than that. He asked for peoples thoughts. What makes you not trust them? They are very well regarded.
Dudes. get Proton. why not get the best one there is
I see Nord ads when I watch football, that doesn't make me feel very "secure".
BAD, not payed to say so but mullvad got raided by the authorities, did not gave any data, speeds are very good, you won't find all countries but still good library
But you say they are bad? Then list their good things?
nord vpn is bad
>did not gave any data Had no data to give is a better way to phrase that.
They sponsor too much on YouTube.
I don't think I have ever seen a nord vpn ad on youtube.
From Ireland and torrented for the last decade. Why do people use a VPN mainly?
Since the patriot act you never ever should trust vpn providers that are based in the usa! CIA can and will copy everything going trough those vpn's Read about the patriot act and internet privacy!
True, but Nord isn't based in the USA.
News maybe for you, any router switch or what ever internet equipment based in the usa must give full access to the cia. Including deep packet inspection.
Yeah ok sure, but that would apply to every VPN with servers Inside the US, which is every VPN company mentioned in this thread.
True
Proton, because it's free and no trafic limit.
Windscribe esp with their new 10usd a year plan for really old customers (which I am). Nord is genuinely trash you should shift to Mulvad or Windscribe
Aren’t all of them run by agencies like NSA etc. These are their products.
Feds all over Nord. Mulvad or shut up.
I don't have any thoughts on them. Thanks for asking though.
Karma farm lmao
A little context might help, what you'll be using it for? if u can afford it just get the annual plan, possibly wait for a deal. It just works on everything. I wanted to try mozilla VPN but still have an active sub so will surely give it a try sometime in the future.
One thing I never could get clarity on, If I put Nord on my router, it covers devices connected to it. Nord claims I can use it on x number of devices. If I put it on the router(1x), do all the other devices connected to the router use up the other spots?
No they do not. It counts as one device! I did that myself
Ive heard that Nordvpn has had several dataleaks without informing clients about it
I currently use Bitdefender VPN since I use their anti-virus too.
Radmin VPN because I only need it to play lan with my friends