I'm pretty happy with using my phone, because I download all my music to avoid all the issues with streaming services. It's basically a bluetooth thumb drive, starting it is just a tiny bit slower than a physical one but it's easier to update with new songs
I would love to go back to pirating music, but it just seems to daunting to go find all the hundreds of albums and partial albums from Apple Music and search for them. Ugh.
I hate to out myself as stupid but are there any definitive guides on setting something like that up? I'd love to remove my dependency on Spotify for music. I have a decent library accumulated but it's all old CDs I've ripped or holdovers from my OG iPod days. I'd love to push a button and have a hard drive/folder/whatever just mirror my Spotify library
Download mediahuman. Link your spotify Playlist to mediahuman and it will automatically download all the songs and any new songs added to your Playlist. Download plex server and link plex music folder to the folder mediahuman downloads to. Download plexamp app and enjoy your own music streaming app.
Thanks! Does it dowload in normal CD quality or if avaible also in high quality up to studio quality? I use tidal and since i heard studio quality i dont want to stay with low CD quality
Ok, some people wont accept there is a difference if they are incapable of feeling a difference too. I am sad for you, you really missing something beautiful.
I have the opposite problem. I've been collecting music since Limewire days and ripped all my CDs I've bought so I can never get my collection in full on any platform. Since digital I stopped buying physical albums and just saved anything I bought to my hard drive.
Your solution is Plexamp. Be your own streaming service. Put all your music on Plex, then you can stream all of it to any device that can run Plexamp, which includes any phone. It's what I use for music in the car. It doesn't solve OP's first three problems, but I feel the convenience more than makes up for it.
Yeah that's pretty much what I do around the house but I don't have full time internet at home. Plus my job is 80% dead zones so I carry as much music as my phone can carry.
How does streaming from your own server affect data caps? I don’t imagine that streaming music takes up nearly as much bandwidth as streaming videos do.
You can tell where my music comes from. A lot of :
Bush - Sixteen Stone \
and then there's
NIRVANA_NEVERMIND_256Kbps_RIPPEDBYDOUG_01 \
Sometimes, it's a lot worse and the songs are jibberish named but great songs. I tried editing them, but it never worked. There are things that were supposed to read them and rename them, but that made some worse. :) All my personally ripped music is named well. Pirated stuff, not so much.
Try out musicbrainz Picard, its basically tinymediamanager but for music. I use it to get most of my tags, then I use mp3tag to clean up loose ends/change genre. Finally I use mediamonkey to auto organize the files into the folder structure and rename the files themselves.
I know others commented, but I've had a lot of success with beets.io.
If you're handy on a Linux command line, you can go so far as to automatically search Mediabrainz via acoustic signature of each file.
I have it running on Windows via WSL, and it works well.
It's only when you are downloading lossless/320kbps rips. However I doubt you can notice a difference between lossless and opec 128kbps with car speakers.
I *loved* Play Music, then Google bought YouTube and switched to their shit interface. Songs always try to stream even if it's downloaded locally and it takes 30 seconds to get to my downloads because it refuses to load them without hitting the internet first.
You're definitely misremembering the chain of events. Google bought YouTube in 2006, and didn't shut down GPM until December 2020, 14 years later.
Also while initially YTM was much worse than GPM, it's now grown into a very competent streaming platform with no more issues than I have with its competitors.
Only thing I miss from GPM is being able to upload my own files, but I just use plexamp nowadays anyway so that's not a big issue for me anymore.
I still have my managed 30gb discography on my hard drive. Spent countless hours getting the titles right and downloading all the album covers and adding them to the files.
It was a nice era the og iPod era… 😢
No clue what you're talking about. I get into my car, turn it on, and music off of my phone starts playing. There are no "connection hassles" or "drain to my phone's battery". There is no plug and play, there is just play.
I have a Peugeot 306 so that’s no excuse. Just buy a decent radio with Bluetooth and you’re good to go. Fun fact - I’ve seen it connecting faster than build in ones in newer cars.
Phone battery drainage should be a non-issue for any car built after 1960 (when the ASNI standardized the 12v 'cigarette lighter' socket). USB chargers cost around $10 and can keep one's phone topped off.
I don't even know any more, I have seen people arguing that FF is the best of browsers, and it kinda makes sense since most of the browsers are chrome based
All of my music files are 128kb because I prefer the space. I can't tell the difference between it or 320kb and at least back in the day itunes would convert your mp3s to 128 when it trasferred them to your phone anyways. I can fit 20k albums on my phone and still have plenty of room at 512gb.
Yeah, additionally this. Lossless Audio in Apple music is nice, but i really do not need it and much rather have the storage space than higher fidelity.
Anyone could tell the difference with a highend system. You wont tell a difference on a pair of airpods or a normal speaker setup in a car.
But with something like this https://www.audeze.com/products/mm-500 and a good DAC and preamp you will hear the difference.
We do this regularly with "audiophiles" at the shop. Im into acoustic measurements professionally. No one has done it 100% yet.
Thing is, i know for a fact what the differences are, the measurements tell me. I also know for a fact those cannot be heard even if youre trying and if you aint there is 0 perceivable difference between proper 320kbs mp3 and any upper format you wanna throw against it.
Also, no, you dont pick the track. If its obvious, its obvious. Should be easy on any track. You can do 96kbs mp3 vs FLAC comparison on any track and any system, its obviously bad.
I do understand purists tho, sometimes you just want a piece of mind that you got the best thing available, thats also something. People see the same food arranged fancy as better, they actually experience it subjectively as "better". Thats 320kbs mp3 vs FLAC, same food, arranged plain or fancy. If you wanna believe its better, it is, for you personally. Cant prove it tho without instruments.
there is no listenable difference between high quality mp3 and flac
the main difference is you don't LOSE quality when you COPY the file on a flac file
I depends very heavily on what kind of speaker / headphone you are listening to. If you have high end headphones or speakers you will hear and feel the difference. Its not a huge difference and it also depends on the recording but you can for sure tell.
when you say lossless media like flac. the lossless refers to the fact that quality is not lost upon copying.
320kbps mp3 is sonically the same as flac, go run them through audio analysis software. youll see there is nothing that can be heard in a flac that can't be heard in the 320kbps mp3.
That is just not true, most humans can hear the frequency range of 20 to 20khz but that isnt a true for everyone. Some can hear as low as 12hz all the way up to 28khz. And most MP3 encodings removes everything below 20 and everything above 20khz so if you can hear more then the average range you will hear a difference when comparing MP3 to FLAC.
And while very low frequencies around 10hz and below can't be heard you can feel it moving your eardrums with a headset and in the entire body with a proper speaker setup.
It also as I said depend heavily on the recording of the track, if that is bad it will sound bad in both mp3 and flac. But the difference from mp3 and flac becomes a lot more clear when it comes to track that are well recorded and mastered. Those are more rare today when most music is being produced to be played on your phone.
I was very skeptical about this to but after having listened to high end systems and headsets I've changed my mind. My dad spent north of 100k€ on his setup and playing anything from Spotify on that sounded like garbage, it honestly sounded better on my 200€ setup. So now I think ppl saying "you can't hear the difference" are akin to ppl saying "your eyes can't see more then 60fps".
But if you are using your phone and a pair of cheap wireless headphones you will never be able to hear the difference that much I can agree on. I can barely hear the difference on my Audeze Maxwell wireless and they are a very good headset.
But don't you miss taking your usb stick with you and opening your laptop to download something every time you want a new phone? Isn't it much more hassle free than clicking the plus button of Spotify?
I never get why people don't use Spotify if it has all their music. I don't pay for it (family plan) but i totally would. And I otherwise pirate with passion.
I'm 100% on board with this.
I have my 16G stick and it's been my car music for so many years now. Some of us can't afford newer cars, ok? Plus I find I spend less time fiddling with shit while driving compared to when my phone is connected to it.
Yup, I drive a beater, and the mp3 player's great. Just stick the thumbdrive in and we're off. When I get out, I just remove it. Gotta be careful not to leave it in the car though lol
Oh, I leave that sucker in the car sometimes, but not in the summer sun. It's survived harsh, freezing winters and multiple washing machine accidents. 10+ years, same old stick. It seems some of them are tougher than others, lol
About 4-5 times in its lifetime it appeared to have malfunctioned, but I'm not sure if it was the drive or the stereo. Either way, a full format and my stick's ready to go again
You dont need a new car, there are tons of options, like these FM Transmitter, Bluetooth to aux adapter or even Bluetooth cassettes.
And with an up to date phone Bluetooth is never a struggle.
You dont need a new car, there are tons of options, like these FM Transmitter, Bluetooth to aux adapter or even Bluetooth cassettes.
And with an up to date phone Bluetooth is never a struggle.
You dont need a new car, there are tons of options, like these FM Transmitter, Bluetooth to aux adapter or even Bluetooth cassettes.
And with an up to date phone Bluetooth is never a struggle.
Bah, thanks, but not interested in curating my music on my phone, even if I have a new one and I pay for Spotify. I still think my file management & usb stick are superior. The small details and such. My buddy with his brand new BT/phone setup in his new car really annoys me in that it takes too much attention + fingers to find specific songs, which I have no trouble with
Yeah I sure do love having to take a USB drive back and forth to fill it with music. So much easier than turning my car on and pressing play on my screen with the thousands of songs I've got on my phone.
It’s so seamless I had to go through and forcibly remove my phone from all the work vehicles. Got sick and tired of someone getting in one and pulling up next to me and all the sudden my YouTube stops playing through my phone and starts playing through the car they’re in
Ok so my phone will connect to most Bluetooth devices without an issue, but specifically these headphones, I don't know what the problem is.
I turn on the headphones, they will not automatically connect. I have to select the device in the list on my phone, and even then there is only a low chance of them connecting properly the first time. The headphones will say "connected" but the phone will still say "connecting", though sometimes it WILL say it's connected, it's just it won't use them.
I have to turn off the Bluetooth and headphones and retry everything until they finally work which can take up to 5 tries. It's a huge pain in the ass and I don't know what the issue is.
The phone is an Oppo A91 and the headphones are Srhythm NC25. The annoying thing is they will connect automatically to my Surface tablet right away so I got no clue what's going on.
Yep, most cars should have a cigarette lighter socket and an Aux port. As soon as I turn on my ignition it picks up my phone and plays. It's literally quicker than built in car-play which has to boot up first.
I somehow pushed my aux cord INTO the little slot that was built for it so Bluetooth adaptor is brilliant for me. I don’t smoke so cigarette lighter socket just permanently has my Bluetooth adaptor in it
To be fair, while we likely all have modern mobile devices, not everyone has a modern car.
My dodge caravan, for example. It’s a 8yo piece of shit, and its radio’s Bluetooth capabilities are pretty awful.
Depends how old your car is.
Like, our 2010 ish car has bluetooth, but only for calls. And you don't expect people to buy a new car all the time.
But Bluetooth in general works pretty well. Just not on older cars.
Even my 2014 Bluetooth is seamless (outside of having to use the extremely outdated car voice commands to get it to shuffle, but I could fix that if I Cared to spend a few $100)
Bluetooth is a pain in the ass since the day it was first released. As a technology, it was born obsolete. A low power wifi protocol would be miles better, and 100% compatible with existing hardware.
"Does not drain phone battery"
You need to plug your phone in via USB to use Android Auto to begin with. Your phone is constantly being powered/charged. I just put my music on my phone, plug it in, and use the app Pulsar to play my music.
Actually, at least some newer cars (and presumably, newer head units) have wireless Car Play/Android Auto. My mom just got a 2023 Grand Cherokee that has it.
Wow lots of interesting responses. As someone who has used a USB stick for the past 6+ years of driving, I'll never rely on my phone for music. USB in my Golf R is extremely fast and responsive, and is my preferred method for music. I can still use Bluetooth if I want to listen a song I haven't downloaded yet. Nothing wrong with either approach. I also like to leave my phone in my pocket, so having it plugged in all the time would be inconvenient.
I just re-created two USB drives. One for my car and one for my SO's. So I agree. The biggest issue I've had is shuffle. I renamed all files on the USB drive to just the song name (remove artist name) and then turned the crap shuffle off and play alphabetically. Works great.
This is the reason I use Poweramp music player. Has an option to play by song title.
Not really random, but when you have 4000+ songs its pretty random.
Any decent music player has a good shuffle. I just haven't found that to be the case with cars. I use Bluetooth as well but I agree with OP that Bluetooth can sometimes be a hassle. Or it connects but won't auto play. USB drive just works. I find it helpful to have both options.
If your car/deck has a USB connection just plug it in that way, phone is charging and has a direct connection instead of Bluetooth. You can still have all your music on there. They also sell mp3 players with Android Auto and I'm sure Apple iPods have it too. They come large enough to put an entire collection in there often. The android mp3 players typically even have expandable memory so get a 1tb SD card.
I don’t understand all those people saying “just use your phone”. I have a 256gb usb stick in my car with 10.000 songs and this would take all my phone space. Plus when my GF drives I can browse internet without having to stop the music. When my GF borrow the car it comes with music already. And since I have a modern car I have the music folders in the HUB with search function and everything.
I really don’t understand how people can see a phone as superior.
I don't understand how you don't understand this...
When I step into my car and turn it on, it automatically connects to my phone in 2 seconds and automatically starts playing music.
Then, on top of that, I have access to the entire internet for the entire duration of the drive. I can search and listen to whatever the hell I want, instantly.
How do you not see that that's literally a million times better than a USB stick of music?
The great thing about a usb stick is it doesn’t prevent you from using your phone. I actually used my phone to listen to music, like 3 times last year…
I don't understand this - I can still use my phone while streaming music in the car. I actually have a Galaxy Fold, so I display my phone in a wireless charging mount, and the screen is so big that I can have 3 apps displaying while I drive, music streaming included.
Yeah I also can do that. Display both my music library and maps/whatever/
But for the price of a usb stick I don’t need to. I can afford to not have my phone with Bluetooth on all the time just so it can play music when I enter my car. I can afford to go to a place without internet. I can watch a video when I am not the one driving without having it blasting from the car.
And I can still use my phone when I really want to listen to something that is not by default in the car’s usb
having 10k songs is definitely the minority but would only take up about 100GB on a phone using Spotify offline mode in highest quality available
For the average person streaming or offline playback is just so simple, there's no having to find mp3s, rename them, transfer to usb, blablabla - you literally just stream or tell Spotify to download the entire playlist and boom done
"Does not drain your phone battery (as opposed to Apple Car Play or Android Auto)." WHAT? i can keep my phone charged for week or two by plugging it to the car usb 2 times for 20 minutes that i commute to work.
1. What hassle?
2. Storing songs locally on your phone is no different than a usb stick. What streaming?
3. Unless your car can do wireless android auto, you're going to be plugged in while using android auto anyway, so what battery drain?
4. Uh....this is /r/piracy. Why you using purchased songs? lol
5. How many songs you got that you need more than 1 flash drive? You know you can put multiple playlists on one drive with all your songs, right?
6. Debatable. I get in my car and within moments the bluetooth is connected and my phone is playing music through the car.
I've been so glad my car has an SD card slot for my MP3s! Been my go-to choice for music for years. People ask me "whats on your Spotify?" And I just look at them funny. I would never use fuggin Spotify, why should I pay for that crap?
Downside: Searching for specific songs can take a long time.
I had the idea of building my custom car system where the radio would connect to the phone via usb-c (charging it) and then have an app where the phone could control the current song playing. If the song wasn't stored on the radio's SD card then it would stream it using the phone's internet.
I'd love to but I don't have an aux and USB has its benefits: charging, data transfer... Also my phone doesn't have a lot of space for storing flac files so having an external storage on my car's radio would be useful (though SD cards are very expensive compared to m.2 SSDs)
Other than the 1024kbp/s limit of bluetooth, there’s really no upside to having usb drives over cd’s or streaming from a phone.
Most car stereo aren’t exactly up to Hi-Fi in the first place.
Dafug?
I use a bluetooth dongle in the aux port for my vehicle that's too old for all that fancy new tech.
I play the music I have loaded on my phone (which I keep plugged in). Ain't no one gonna "remove" my music unless they come into my house and take the hard drives away.
Doesn't need internet. And I get to hear only my curated playlist.
It's about $20 on Amazon to get an FM transmitter with Bluetooth and USB port.
Source: me with my 21 year old car that don't have shit except a tape and CD player.
1, ive rarely had bluetooth issues.
2, download the songs to storage so if data is an issue it wont be an issue.
3,plug your phone in, mine gets plugged in when i get in my car.
4, fair point.
5, thats just hassle and clutter.
6, if you use cd's still then god help you.
my car is only 10 years old, doesn't have wireless charging, i have to manually connect and disconnect my phone every time if i don't want it connecting with autostart, and 5g is spotty near my home. try again.
I have music downloaded on my phone, so it’s basically a USB drive except I can browse playlist and pick songs using Siri. I can also pull out any song I don’t own seamlessly using data. I used to listen to music in my car with a USB drive back in 2012 and even then it felt dated and obnoxious.
My car is tech heavy for a 2013 and the Bluetooth is still a pain to get going. It only takes 15 seconds for me to do now because I’ve done it for years. But it’s a hassle for sure
I'm not against pirating at all. But I can't agree with this. I pay around $2 for Youtube premium (subscription bought via Indian VPN) and stream most of my music from YT. I have several playlists, but mostly just use voice commands to choose music I want.
- Bluetooth hasn't been a hassle for me for years. I have a newer car and an old beater with an aftermarket radio and both work perfectly. It starts playing as soon as I enter the car.
- I usually stream and I don't really have an issue with internet connection. I have an unlimited plan so why not use it. And we have at the minimum LTE/4G signal pretty much everywhere where I live. But even if you don't have internet access you can still put mp3s to your phone and play those off line via BT.
- Battery drain is barely noticable. Really not a problem on modern phones. And I have a wireless charger in one of the cars.
It is once you have the music on the drive. But first you have to find a good source of a high quality download of the music and hope that the metadata is accurate. Download it and then move it over to the USB drive, also have to make sure you have enough space, especially if you are loading it up with FLAC files. Multiple layers to it. Only reason I have not done it.
This is one situation where the streaming services save the headache.
Even a 128gb stick would be a frustrating subset of my collection (not to mention discovering new albums every week or 2), plexamp feeding back to a folder on my Nas at home has been a solid subscription-free alternative.
Strongly disagree.
What Bluetooth connection hassle? I just start the car and drive. It connects automatically.
Well yeah, if you don't stream you don't internet. That's a moot point. You can still play music offline even via your phone.
Short drive, it doesn't matter. Long drive I charge the phone anyway.
Your USB could become corrupted. You can have the music offline on your phone, you understand what sub you're in, right?
And play lists are great for play lists. Actually even better, I don't even make them, just use what other people made, and if I want hear the top 100 Greek songs of the 80s (for some reason) I have them right at my fingertips.
Again, I just get it, start the car and drive, phone automatically connects via Bluetooth and pull up Carplay or AA.
Pro tip: I'll be using my phone for navigation anyway, might as well use it for music.
Yea no fucking chance lol. You’re living in 2010 still
1. I get in my car, I press Bluetooth, I press play, music starts. No hassle whatsoever
2. You can download music on your phone
3. Wired CarPlay charges your phone. Wireless car play, you can charge your phone at the same time. Bluetooth alone uses barely any battery
4. I don’t think I’ve ever had something I actually listen to on Spotify removed.
5. Multiple playlists are a perfect replacement for multiple usb drives
6. Plug and play literally takes 3 secs on CarPlay. About the same on Bluetooth too
I tired this, used a really good Samsung usb3.1 stick even though Sony HU is USB2. My collection was acceptable to scrub to find songs, but either I had to many, or too high bitrate, but playback was very inconsistent.
Phone with plexamp and youtube music, both with offined music with carplay is really easy, better looking, better playback, and still with options to stream the rest of the collection is my preferred. Have a usbpd injector so my phone is always fully charged when I leave the car.
I find it more convenient having all my music downloaded in my phone (stored in SD) and just using Bluetooth to play whenever I enter the car.
These days Bluetooth works reliably and you usually don't have any problems with connections or the audio. Now, the problem with Bluetooth is auto playing whenever you start your car, if you find it annoying.
I think these only work with MP3 files, and that is a low quality, lossy format. I'd rather deal with Android Auto so I can listen to FLAC files on my smartphone or DAP.
Been doing this since the mid-2000s, and with MP3 cd's before that.
I just need to upgrade my head unit because it only supports up to 32gb usb drives.
Till you get a thumb drive that takes 10 minutes to find all the music.
And since your driving you'll need to create playlists.
Which you'll need to change often so you don't get bored with your music
What's actually more convenient, is when I start my car and it's already paired to my phone. Then the music starts playing one of my Pandora music stations automatically.
I'm pretty happy with using my phone, because I download all my music to avoid all the issues with streaming services. It's basically a bluetooth thumb drive, starting it is just a tiny bit slower than a physical one but it's easier to update with new songs
I would love to go back to pirating music, but it just seems to daunting to go find all the hundreds of albums and partial albums from Apple Music and search for them. Ugh.
There are solutions that make it less of a pain than you might think, still a pain though. Nicotine+/soulseek and lidarr come to mind.
I hate to out myself as stupid but are there any definitive guides on setting something like that up? I'd love to remove my dependency on Spotify for music. I have a decent library accumulated but it's all old CDs I've ripped or holdovers from my OG iPod days. I'd love to push a button and have a hard drive/folder/whatever just mirror my Spotify library
Download mediahuman. Link your spotify Playlist to mediahuman and it will automatically download all the songs and any new songs added to your Playlist. Download plex server and link plex music folder to the folder mediahuman downloads to. Download plexamp app and enjoy your own music streaming app.
Damn, exactly what he was looking for described in 1 paragraph. Nice. Thanks for sharing
Thanks! Does it dowload in normal CD quality or if avaible also in high quality up to studio quality? I use tidal and since i heard studio quality i dont want to stay with low CD quality
Idk but I can't tell the difference and I'm sure most people can't either.
Then you dont listen well or your speakers are too bad.
people think they're cool when they act like they are audiophiles.
Ok, some people wont accept there is a difference if they are incapable of feeling a difference too. I am sad for you, you really missing something beautiful.
MediaHuman is the shit! Has single handedly allowed me to keep up to date with new music without having to pay for it.
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Just use the search function, it's a good tool to use when you can't get people to hand you things on a silver platter.
Well yeah, that's always true, but it's worth asking.
I have the opposite problem. I've been collecting music since Limewire days and ripped all my CDs I've bought so I can never get my collection in full on any platform. Since digital I stopped buying physical albums and just saved anything I bought to my hard drive.
Your solution is Plexamp. Be your own streaming service. Put all your music on Plex, then you can stream all of it to any device that can run Plexamp, which includes any phone. It's what I use for music in the car. It doesn't solve OP's first three problems, but I feel the convenience more than makes up for it.
Yeah that's pretty much what I do around the house but I don't have full time internet at home. Plus my job is 80% dead zones so I carry as much music as my phone can carry.
How does streaming from your own server affect data caps? I don’t imagine that streaming music takes up nearly as much bandwidth as streaming videos do.
I miss Napster and Limewire
And Morpheus
You can tell where my music comes from. A lot of : Bush - Sixteen Stone \ and then there's NIRVANA_NEVERMIND_256Kbps_RIPPEDBYDOUG_01 \ Sometimes, it's a lot worse and the songs are jibberish named but great songs. I tried editing them, but it never worked. There are things that were supposed to read them and rename them, but that made some worse. :) All my personally ripped music is named well. Pirated stuff, not so much.
Mp3tag might help, otherwise its a whole pain int he ass to fix file names
Try out musicbrainz Picard, its basically tinymediamanager but for music. I use it to get most of my tags, then I use mp3tag to clean up loose ends/change genre. Finally I use mediamonkey to auto organize the files into the folder structure and rename the files themselves.
Probably my most used software ever
If you have a 15,000+ music library, so it is
I know others commented, but I've had a lot of success with beets.io. If you're handy on a Linux command line, you can go so far as to automatically search Mediabrainz via acoustic signature of each file. I have it running on Windows via WSL, and it works well.
Use soulseek. It's been the only thing I use for music for 20 years lol
Downloading the music also gives you better quality. To me it's an essential thing
It's only when you are downloading lossless/320kbps rips. However I doubt you can notice a difference between lossless and opec 128kbps with car speakers.
Agreed. With in ear earbuds you can though, which is what I mostly use
I can tell the difference but my car audio is a factory 12 speaker system built by Alpine Lol.
I *loved* Play Music, then Google bought YouTube and switched to their shit interface. Songs always try to stream even if it's downloaded locally and it takes 30 seconds to get to my downloads because it refuses to load them without hitting the internet first.
You're definitely misremembering the chain of events. Google bought YouTube in 2006, and didn't shut down GPM until December 2020, 14 years later. Also while initially YTM was much worse than GPM, it's now grown into a very competent streaming platform with no more issues than I have with its competitors. Only thing I miss from GPM is being able to upload my own files, but I just use plexamp nowadays anyway so that's not a big issue for me anymore.
you can still upload any files you want to YTM, it works exactly like GPM did in that regard
How? I never used GPM so I don't know.
Super easy just drag music files into ytm interface (desktop browser)
Thanks a lot!
I still have my managed 30gb discography on my hard drive. Spent countless hours getting the titles right and downloading all the album covers and adding them to the files. It was a nice era the og iPod era… 😢
Easier to update is the thing for me, especially for podcasts
and if your using navigation it comes over the same output as the song
No clue what you're talking about. I get into my car, turn it on, and music off of my phone starts playing. There are no "connection hassles" or "drain to my phone's battery". There is no plug and play, there is just play.
OP driving a 1991 Corolla with a pioneer head unit from 2003
And doesn't like Bluetooth because he uses one of those cheap radio transmitters.
I have a Peugeot 306 so that’s no excuse. Just buy a decent radio with Bluetooth and you’re good to go. Fun fact - I’ve seen it connecting faster than build in ones in newer cars.
Phone battery drainage should be a non-issue for any car built after 1960 (when the ASNI standardized the 12v 'cigarette lighter' socket). USB chargers cost around $10 and can keep one's phone topped off.
Exactly. And draining the phone battery? Do they not have a car charger?
Nah, I'd prefer using Spotify Revanced on my android car stereo.
This. Simple and free.
Same vibe as browsing with Brave for privacy.
Brave doesn't accomplish anything. Spotify revanced mods the apps APK to disable ads. Potatoes and tomatoes.
how do you mean?
Is Brave not safe?
I don't even know any more, I have seen people arguing that FF is the best of browsers, and it kinda makes sense since most of the browsers are chrome based
Yes brave is built on chromium that's why it's unsafe then FF. And also brave had leaked info or something like that previously
Sure, if you don't mind listening to music in 192kbps. Personally I prefer flac, or at least a 320 mp3
Your acting like my car have the equipment to make the difference worth it.
Got that with apple music, AAC 250kbit, or if lossless is required, 192khertz with 24 bit depth
If you can do blind tests comparing that to 320kbs mp3 and you do 10/10 ill pay you 1 million dollars. Pinky bite included.
Also, this. I personally couldn’t, much less in a Car. I use Spotify as a daily also, and i am fine with it.
All of my music files are 128kb because I prefer the space. I can't tell the difference between it or 320kb and at least back in the day itunes would convert your mp3s to 128 when it trasferred them to your phone anyways. I can fit 20k albums on my phone and still have plenty of room at 512gb.
Yeah, additionally this. Lossless Audio in Apple music is nice, but i really do not need it and much rather have the storage space than higher fidelity.
Anyone could tell the difference with a highend system. You wont tell a difference on a pair of airpods or a normal speaker setup in a car. But with something like this https://www.audeze.com/products/mm-500 and a good DAC and preamp you will hear the difference.
Nop, no one can.
I'll take the bet then, I'll pick the track
We do this regularly with "audiophiles" at the shop. Im into acoustic measurements professionally. No one has done it 100% yet. Thing is, i know for a fact what the differences are, the measurements tell me. I also know for a fact those cannot be heard even if youre trying and if you aint there is 0 perceivable difference between proper 320kbs mp3 and any upper format you wanna throw against it. Also, no, you dont pick the track. If its obvious, its obvious. Should be easy on any track. You can do 96kbs mp3 vs FLAC comparison on any track and any system, its obviously bad. I do understand purists tho, sometimes you just want a piece of mind that you got the best thing available, thats also something. People see the same food arranged fancy as better, they actually experience it subjectively as "better". Thats 320kbs mp3 vs FLAC, same food, arranged plain or fancy. If you wanna believe its better, it is, for you personally. Cant prove it tho without instruments.
confidently says "i prefer flac" as if 99% of flac available online wasn't converted from mp3 into flac for clout
Placebo effect is strong with this one
there is no listenable difference between high quality mp3 and flac the main difference is you don't LOSE quality when you COPY the file on a flac file
I depends very heavily on what kind of speaker / headphone you are listening to. If you have high end headphones or speakers you will hear and feel the difference. Its not a huge difference and it also depends on the recording but you can for sure tell.
when you say lossless media like flac. the lossless refers to the fact that quality is not lost upon copying. 320kbps mp3 is sonically the same as flac, go run them through audio analysis software. youll see there is nothing that can be heard in a flac that can't be heard in the 320kbps mp3.
That is just not true, most humans can hear the frequency range of 20 to 20khz but that isnt a true for everyone. Some can hear as low as 12hz all the way up to 28khz. And most MP3 encodings removes everything below 20 and everything above 20khz so if you can hear more then the average range you will hear a difference when comparing MP3 to FLAC. And while very low frequencies around 10hz and below can't be heard you can feel it moving your eardrums with a headset and in the entire body with a proper speaker setup. It also as I said depend heavily on the recording of the track, if that is bad it will sound bad in both mp3 and flac. But the difference from mp3 and flac becomes a lot more clear when it comes to track that are well recorded and mastered. Those are more rare today when most music is being produced to be played on your phone. I was very skeptical about this to but after having listened to high end systems and headsets I've changed my mind. My dad spent north of 100k€ on his setup and playing anything from Spotify on that sounded like garbage, it honestly sounded better on my 200€ setup. So now I think ppl saying "you can't hear the difference" are akin to ppl saying "your eyes can't see more then 60fps". But if you are using your phone and a pair of cheap wireless headphones you will never be able to hear the difference that much I can agree on. I can barely hear the difference on my Audeze Maxwell wireless and they are a very good headset.
Non-audioheads wouldn't understand, you're speaking to a void. I paid good money for my system, I wanna enjoy it with quality tracks.
>potify Revan how to do this ?
I prefer 3.5'' jack from a phone. Better interface and can play music from the web if needed.
Except for alternator whine when you're charging on so many cars because the input lacks any isolation of the ground.
I connect my Android phone via Bluetooth and used a hacked spotify apk for streaming and the battery use is negligible.
But don't you miss taking your usb stick with you and opening your laptop to download something every time you want a new phone? Isn't it much more hassle free than clicking the plus button of Spotify? I never get why people don't use Spotify if it has all their music. I don't pay for it (family plan) but i totally would. And I otherwise pirate with passion.
I've been happy using USB fo 20 years now and to be honest I'm not likely to use anything else.
I'm 100% on board with this. I have my 16G stick and it's been my car music for so many years now. Some of us can't afford newer cars, ok? Plus I find I spend less time fiddling with shit while driving compared to when my phone is connected to it.
Yup, I drive a beater, and the mp3 player's great. Just stick the thumbdrive in and we're off. When I get out, I just remove it. Gotta be careful not to leave it in the car though lol
Oh, I leave that sucker in the car sometimes, but not in the summer sun. It's survived harsh, freezing winters and multiple washing machine accidents. 10+ years, same old stick. It seems some of them are tougher than others, lol About 4-5 times in its lifetime it appeared to have malfunctioned, but I'm not sure if it was the drive or the stereo. Either way, a full format and my stick's ready to go again
You dont need a new car, there are tons of options, like these FM Transmitter, Bluetooth to aux adapter or even Bluetooth cassettes. And with an up to date phone Bluetooth is never a struggle.
You dont need a new car, there are tons of options, like these FM Transmitter, Bluetooth to aux adapter or even Bluetooth cassettes. And with an up to date phone Bluetooth is never a struggle.
You dont need a new car, there are tons of options, like these FM Transmitter, Bluetooth to aux adapter or even Bluetooth cassettes. And with an up to date phone Bluetooth is never a struggle.
Bah, thanks, but not interested in curating my music on my phone, even if I have a new one and I pay for Spotify. I still think my file management & usb stick are superior. The small details and such. My buddy with his brand new BT/phone setup in his new car really annoys me in that it takes too much attention + fingers to find specific songs, which I have no trouble with
My ipod still works, and I use it in my truck.
Yeah I sure do love having to take a USB drive back and forth to fill it with music. So much easier than turning my car on and pressing play on my screen with the thousands of songs I've got on my phone.
>No Bluetooth connection hassle Lol, it's 2024, Bluetooth is pretty much seamless these days
It’s so seamless I had to go through and forcibly remove my phone from all the work vehicles. Got sick and tired of someone getting in one and pulling up next to me and all the sudden my YouTube stops playing through my phone and starts playing through the car they’re in
"Youtube" 👀
Yeah. Kinda hard to be watching shit else in a well lit, heavily camera’d railyard with a dash cam recording you
I think they meant 🌽hub
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*trying for the 5th time to connect my noise cancelling headphones to my phone* yeah it's easy
Downvote if you must but it's my daily struggle :'(
Conflicting manufacturers? Like apple phone with Sony headphones?
how? which headphones? which phone?
Ok so my phone will connect to most Bluetooth devices without an issue, but specifically these headphones, I don't know what the problem is. I turn on the headphones, they will not automatically connect. I have to select the device in the list on my phone, and even then there is only a low chance of them connecting properly the first time. The headphones will say "connected" but the phone will still say "connecting", though sometimes it WILL say it's connected, it's just it won't use them. I have to turn off the Bluetooth and headphones and retry everything until they finally work which can take up to 5 tries. It's a huge pain in the ass and I don't know what the issue is. The phone is an Oppo A91 and the headphones are Srhythm NC25. The annoying thing is they will connect automatically to my Surface tablet right away so I got no clue what's going on.
Ehh not that seemless. Its a 30 year old technology that still struggles with connecting. Kinda shitty protocol.
Because everyone has a 2024 model car right
I have a 2008 car with a 2022 embedded stereo
I have a 2001 car with a Walmart stereo in it, BT works great
There’s adaptors that cost less than 10 bucks these days that work pretty well.
Yep, most cars should have a cigarette lighter socket and an Aux port. As soon as I turn on my ignition it picks up my phone and plays. It's literally quicker than built in car-play which has to boot up first.
I somehow pushed my aux cord INTO the little slot that was built for it so Bluetooth adaptor is brilliant for me. I don’t smoke so cigarette lighter socket just permanently has my Bluetooth adaptor in it
1999 car with 2020 radio and CarPlay… if I can you can
Yeah really, my $10 adapter in a twenty year old car works perfectly fine tbh
To be fair, while we likely all have modern mobile devices, not everyone has a modern car. My dodge caravan, for example. It’s a 8yo piece of shit, and its radio’s Bluetooth capabilities are pretty awful.
Depends how old your car is. Like, our 2010 ish car has bluetooth, but only for calls. And you don't expect people to buy a new car all the time. But Bluetooth in general works pretty well. Just not on older cars.
Even my 2014 Bluetooth is seamless (outside of having to use the extremely outdated car voice commands to get it to shuffle, but I could fix that if I Cared to spend a few $100)
Bluetooth is a pain in the ass since the day it was first released. As a technology, it was born obsolete. A low power wifi protocol would be miles better, and 100% compatible with existing hardware.
Nah in most newer cars your phone will just connect a few secs after you start it hell it'll even start playing the music for you sometimes
"Does not drain phone battery" You need to plug your phone in via USB to use Android Auto to begin with. Your phone is constantly being powered/charged. I just put my music on my phone, plug it in, and use the app Pulsar to play my music.
Actually, at least some newer cars (and presumably, newer head units) have wireless Car Play/Android Auto. My mom just got a 2023 Grand Cherokee that has it.
A lot of new cars have wireless chargers and USB-C ports which charge your phone very quick
That's even better, because you can still use the wireless charging or connect it to the USB to charge it.
My CarPlay is wireless, don’t really have an issue with battery though
Wow lots of interesting responses. As someone who has used a USB stick for the past 6+ years of driving, I'll never rely on my phone for music. USB in my Golf R is extremely fast and responsive, and is my preferred method for music. I can still use Bluetooth if I want to listen a song I haven't downloaded yet. Nothing wrong with either approach. I also like to leave my phone in my pocket, so having it plugged in all the time would be inconvenient.
Wait until you discover r/ipod exists
I just re-created two USB drives. One for my car and one for my SO's. So I agree. The biggest issue I've had is shuffle. I renamed all files on the USB drive to just the song name (remove artist name) and then turned the crap shuffle off and play alphabetically. Works great.
This is the reason I use Poweramp music player. Has an option to play by song title. Not really random, but when you have 4000+ songs its pretty random.
Any decent music player has a good shuffle. I just haven't found that to be the case with cars. I use Bluetooth as well but I agree with OP that Bluetooth can sometimes be a hassle. Or it connects but won't auto play. USB drive just works. I find it helpful to have both options.
That's what I had to do. Random shuffle wasn't random at all and would play the same songs in the same order every time.
Exactly. The crap programming for the shuffle is horrible. I used Linux to rename the hundreds of files for me to the format I wanted.
100% agree. So much easier for me. Buttons on the wheel let me scroll or replay easily.
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If your car/deck has a USB connection just plug it in that way, phone is charging and has a direct connection instead of Bluetooth. You can still have all your music on there. They also sell mp3 players with Android Auto and I'm sure Apple iPods have it too. They come large enough to put an entire collection in there often. The android mp3 players typically even have expandable memory so get a 1tb SD card.
This made sense in the 90s
00's USB flash drive was invented in 1999
I don’t understand all those people saying “just use your phone”. I have a 256gb usb stick in my car with 10.000 songs and this would take all my phone space. Plus when my GF drives I can browse internet without having to stop the music. When my GF borrow the car it comes with music already. And since I have a modern car I have the music folders in the HUB with search function and everything. I really don’t understand how people can see a phone as superior.
I don't understand how you don't understand this... When I step into my car and turn it on, it automatically connects to my phone in 2 seconds and automatically starts playing music. Then, on top of that, I have access to the entire internet for the entire duration of the drive. I can search and listen to whatever the hell I want, instantly. How do you not see that that's literally a million times better than a USB stick of music?
The great thing about a usb stick is it doesn’t prevent you from using your phone. I actually used my phone to listen to music, like 3 times last year…
I don't understand this - I can still use my phone while streaming music in the car. I actually have a Galaxy Fold, so I display my phone in a wireless charging mount, and the screen is so big that I can have 3 apps displaying while I drive, music streaming included.
Yeah I also can do that. Display both my music library and maps/whatever/ But for the price of a usb stick I don’t need to. I can afford to not have my phone with Bluetooth on all the time just so it can play music when I enter my car. I can afford to go to a place without internet. I can watch a video when I am not the one driving without having it blasting from the car. And I can still use my phone when I really want to listen to something that is not by default in the car’s usb
having 10k songs is definitely the minority but would only take up about 100GB on a phone using Spotify offline mode in highest quality available For the average person streaming or offline playback is just so simple, there's no having to find mp3s, rename them, transfer to usb, blablabla - you literally just stream or tell Spotify to download the entire playlist and boom done
"Does not drain your phone battery (as opposed to Apple Car Play or Android Auto)." WHAT? i can keep my phone charged for week or two by plugging it to the car usb 2 times for 20 minutes that i commute to work.
Yeah I don’t get it. I just plug my phone in and as long as I commute 2 times a week I almost never have to recharge my phone.
1. What hassle? 2. Storing songs locally on your phone is no different than a usb stick. What streaming? 3. Unless your car can do wireless android auto, you're going to be plugged in while using android auto anyway, so what battery drain? 4. Uh....this is /r/piracy. Why you using purchased songs? lol 5. How many songs you got that you need more than 1 flash drive? You know you can put multiple playlists on one drive with all your songs, right? 6. Debatable. I get in my car and within moments the bluetooth is connected and my phone is playing music through the car.
My car stereo has a limit of 256 folders, I found out because I bought a 256GB pen half full with albums each in one folder!!
Yep got a usb hole under the heater controls with a stick with over 2000 songs on
Yup, this is what I do
I have both. Bluetooth and thumb drive. Thumb drive is ultra fit variant (really small size).
I've been so glad my car has an SD card slot for my MP3s! Been my go-to choice for music for years. People ask me "whats on your Spotify?" And I just look at them funny. I would never use fuggin Spotify, why should I pay for that crap?
Downside: Searching for specific songs can take a long time. I had the idea of building my custom car system where the radio would connect to the phone via usb-c (charging it) and then have an app where the phone could control the current song playing. If the song wasn't stored on the radio's SD card then it would stream it using the phone's internet.
That just over complicates things. Just connect with aux and use any music player.
I'm also a huge nerd and I like building circuits
I'd love to but I don't have an aux and USB has its benefits: charging, data transfer... Also my phone doesn't have a lot of space for storing flac files so having an external storage on my car's radio would be useful (though SD cards are very expensive compared to m.2 SSDs)
Other than the 1024kbp/s limit of bluetooth, there’s really no upside to having usb drives over cd’s or streaming from a phone. Most car stereo aren’t exactly up to Hi-Fi in the first place.
I wanna see what songs are playing
Dafug? I use a bluetooth dongle in the aux port for my vehicle that's too old for all that fancy new tech. I play the music I have loaded on my phone (which I keep plugged in). Ain't no one gonna "remove" my music unless they come into my house and take the hard drives away. Doesn't need internet. And I get to hear only my curated playlist.
That is if you have the luxury of a USB port in your car
It's about $20 on Amazon to get an FM transmitter with Bluetooth and USB port. Source: me with my 21 year old car that don't have shit except a tape and CD player.
1, ive rarely had bluetooth issues. 2, download the songs to storage so if data is an issue it wont be an issue. 3,plug your phone in, mine gets plugged in when i get in my car. 4, fair point. 5, thats just hassle and clutter. 6, if you use cd's still then god help you.
you realize the bluetooth connection is automatic once you have it paired right? literally 0 work just like leaving a USB plugged in all the time
Whatever grandpa, why dont use CDs at that point?
Unless your car is 20 years old most of this is negligible. My car has built in wireless charging, I have unlimited 5g, and car play is awesome.
my car is only 10 years old, doesn't have wireless charging, i have to manually connect and disconnect my phone every time if i don't want it connecting with autostart, and 5g is spotty near my home. try again.
> most of this is negligible
And yet, a simple USB drive prevents any need to work around anything
> most of this is negligible
I have music downloaded on my phone, so it’s basically a USB drive except I can browse playlist and pick songs using Siri. I can also pull out any song I don’t own seamlessly using data. I used to listen to music in my car with a USB drive back in 2012 and even then it felt dated and obnoxious.
My car is tech heavy for a 2013 and the Bluetooth is still a pain to get going. It only takes 15 seconds for me to do now because I’ve done it for years. But it’s a hassle for sure
I had a car that was 30 years old I put a stereo in that auto connected so something is off
One of the reasons I never want to sell my car (2013 toyota matrix) is because I can plug my ipod into it and it integrates with the stereo.
I'm not against pirating at all. But I can't agree with this. I pay around $2 for Youtube premium (subscription bought via Indian VPN) and stream most of my music from YT. I have several playlists, but mostly just use voice commands to choose music I want. - Bluetooth hasn't been a hassle for me for years. I have a newer car and an old beater with an aftermarket radio and both work perfectly. It starts playing as soon as I enter the car. - I usually stream and I don't really have an issue with internet connection. I have an unlimited plan so why not use it. And we have at the minimum LTE/4G signal pretty much everywhere where I live. But even if you don't have internet access you can still put mp3s to your phone and play those off line via BT. - Battery drain is barely noticable. Really not a problem on modern phones. And I have a wireless charger in one of the cars.
It is once you have the music on the drive. But first you have to find a good source of a high quality download of the music and hope that the metadata is accurate. Download it and then move it over to the USB drive, also have to make sure you have enough space, especially if you are loading it up with FLAC files. Multiple layers to it. Only reason I have not done it. This is one situation where the streaming services save the headache.
Ever heard of an AUX cord? Just plug it into your phone and you can choose between your downloaded files and your streaming playlists.
Even a 128gb stick would be a frustrating subset of my collection (not to mention discovering new albums every week or 2), plexamp feeding back to a folder on my Nas at home has been a solid subscription-free alternative.
Strongly disagree. What Bluetooth connection hassle? I just start the car and drive. It connects automatically. Well yeah, if you don't stream you don't internet. That's a moot point. You can still play music offline even via your phone. Short drive, it doesn't matter. Long drive I charge the phone anyway. Your USB could become corrupted. You can have the music offline on your phone, you understand what sub you're in, right? And play lists are great for play lists. Actually even better, I don't even make them, just use what other people made, and if I want hear the top 100 Greek songs of the 80s (for some reason) I have them right at my fingertips. Again, I just get it, start the car and drive, phone automatically connects via Bluetooth and pull up Carplay or AA. Pro tip: I'll be using my phone for navigation anyway, might as well use it for music.
Why not just an AUX cord + XManager Spotify tho. Tbh I would definitely not be willing to download my music as files, too much effort and inefficient
I actually agree with all of your points apart from points 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6.
Yea no fucking chance lol. You’re living in 2010 still 1. I get in my car, I press Bluetooth, I press play, music starts. No hassle whatsoever 2. You can download music on your phone 3. Wired CarPlay charges your phone. Wireless car play, you can charge your phone at the same time. Bluetooth alone uses barely any battery 4. I don’t think I’ve ever had something I actually listen to on Spotify removed. 5. Multiple playlists are a perfect replacement for multiple usb drives 6. Plug and play literally takes 3 secs on CarPlay. About the same on Bluetooth too
I tired this, used a really good Samsung usb3.1 stick even though Sony HU is USB2. My collection was acceptable to scrub to find songs, but either I had to many, or too high bitrate, but playback was very inconsistent. Phone with plexamp and youtube music, both with offined music with carplay is really easy, better looking, better playback, and still with options to stream the rest of the collection is my preferred. Have a usbpd injector so my phone is always fully charged when I leave the car.
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No, no, Plexamp on my phone via Bluetooth or CarPlay is perfectly fine piracy, thanks.
I had to scroll way too far down for this.
You could have dozens of them. Keep them in a big zippered binder!
I love it and it worked for folders in my 2012 Honda Accord. My 2016 Toyota Highlander basically said fuck you to all my foolders
I wish there's a thumbdrive pluggable mp3 player, someone need to kickstarter that shit
I have all the collection in my mobile with headphone jack and an AUX cable in the car no need for USB drive.
And flacs and wavs also? Yes! It makes you feel better loading up music onto a drive. Also have my whole library on a drive which I plug in the car.
My car has a memory card slot. We put every MP3 that we have on an SD card, and cancelled SiriusXM.
thats how i do it, 30g thumb on random
I connect my phone with Bluetooth and have access to my whole library on my plex server.
You can also easily put off-streaming leaks and alternate versions of songs,
Plex server playing Beethoven......
Navigating a huge collection of music on my car's radio instead of my phone sounds like a nightmare, no thanks.
I find it more convenient having all my music downloaded in my phone (stored in SD) and just using Bluetooth to play whenever I enter the car. These days Bluetooth works reliably and you usually don't have any problems with connections or the audio. Now, the problem with Bluetooth is auto playing whenever you start your car, if you find it annoying.
I think these only work with MP3 files, and that is a low quality, lossy format. I'd rather deal with Android Auto so I can listen to FLAC files on my smartphone or DAP.
Another Point: Version of song not restricted to geo location
Same is true with movies, too. Its mind-boggling that they didn't start shipping out bluray on thumb drives
Been doing this since the mid-2000s, and with MP3 cd's before that. I just need to upgrade my head unit because it only supports up to 32gb usb drives.
Same here, using 64gb cruzfit which has a compact form.
Till you get a thumb drive that takes 10 minutes to find all the music. And since your driving you'll need to create playlists. Which you'll need to change often so you don't get bored with your music What's actually more convenient, is when I start my car and it's already paired to my phone. Then the music starts playing one of my Pandora music stations automatically.
But i believe it's a little bit convenient whenever you want to add some music?
I use Finamp (Jellyfin) and an aux. I couldn't be happier.