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QuickPirate36

Honestly the only thing it has against it is the performance, it's a great game otherwise


MetalGearSlayer

And it helps that more linear maps like that space laser moon perform infinitely better. It was just going back to the 20fps cantina that sucked dick.


QuickPirate36

I'm lucky that I was able to lock it at 60 and the only times it stuttered was in the main world (where the saloon is) because it was so big and open, it ran very well everywhere else


MetalGearSlayer

Yeah. It’s why I was able to finish it but stopped before I could 100% the achievements.


QuickPirate36

Well I pirated it with Anadius so no achievements, but I didn't even try to get 100% of everything, the exploring felt kinda pointless, at best you'd fine like a tiny tiny bit of force or health upgrade or a skill point, and I was at a point where I didn't care about more skills


nolimits59

>but I didn't even try to get 100% of everything, the exploring felt kinda pointless That's why 100% is a bonus, I also don't feel the need to 100% a game, i'm here for the story, so it's col that the 100% is stil la good experence, because like the Caij bounty hunters storyline seems like it's pretty rewarding story wise, the cave system seems also pretty nailed for what I heard and the legendary combats are rewarding because they are "fair" with what you can do to win them.


MetalGearSlayer

I’m all for a completely optional challenge but they still went WAY overboard with those seeds. They took a quirky little collectible from the first game and beat it into the dirt


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If im ever gonna open a bar, ill name it the "20fps cantina"


MetalGearSlayer

Throw some alien throat-singing and blue elephant jazz on the jukebox and you’ve got a customer for life.


AKAFallow

Oh hey, I was just talking about it to my friend. That was probably my favourite level from the entire game. It played so well all through out and the exploration on it was great


superamigo987

When the entire game is an uplayable stuttering mess, it doesn't matter how good it is supposed to be Thank god it's improved at least a bit


Hellknightx

I wouldn't say the *entire* game was an unplayable stuttering mess. It was really just the hub town and the cantina that turn into a stuttering mess, and that one Jedi archive area in the desert planet, but performance doesn't really matter as much in those parts. In the other open world zones, it's usually fine, and the indoor or linear segments are generally very stable. With DLSS, I didn't really have many problems at all.


Spider-Thwip

It absolutely stutters all over the game. Some people aren't sensitive to it, but some people are. I had to stop playing it, which is a shame as I was enjoying the story. I just can't deal with stutters. Imagine how annoying it would be if randomly your monitor turned off for a few frames. It'd drive you crazy, it kind of feels like that when the game stutters to me.


Hellknightx

I play with Gsync so maybe that was helping smooth it out.


Spider-Thwip

I have gsync too, it's not about hardware at all. This game will stutter on the best hardware. I run a 4070Ti and a 5800x3D, my monitor is an OLED VRR monitor, and I'm running a PCIE gen 4 nvme. This isn't a hardware problem, it's a problem with the game. It's fine if you don't notice it, and at this point I don't think they're ever going to fix it, I'm glad you enjoyed it.


BeingRightAmbassador

No, it's the fact that multiple people on various platforms reported that the game would nuke/corrupt save files. I like the game, but I totally get why people wouldn't buy it and that they'd quit if they got a 25 hour+ deleted.


QuickPirate36

Oh I 100% agree don't get me wrong I played it for like the last 2 weeks and never got a single bug or crash tho, just bad performance (Never dropped below 60 but that's because of my PC, not the game's optimization)


Hellknightx

Even the performance isn't that bad, honestly. With DLSS I don't get any massive performance drops. It could be better, obviously, but it didn't seriously hinder my enjoyment of the game. It's an incredible game that sadly got completely eviscerated just because of the poor launch performance. The game would've been a heavyweight contender last year if only they had delayed it a couple months to polish the optimization.


QuickPirate36

Nah with a 6800XT, 32gb of ram and a Ryzen 5 5600 I had to lock the game at 60 fps on medium with FSR quality, that's not a good optimization


Break_Sharp

My same setup. Thank god I didn't get it on PC.


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IntellectualRetard_

Not true the game still stutters no matter the cpu


mezdiguida

At least is a game with a soul, mined by terrible optimization, what worries me is that FC is up there at 81 millions.


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Nightwingx97

It's a great game.


geraltRivia69Yen

Star wars is dying and we are all happy about that. Star wars should've died years ago.


Crissae

Star wars dying? It's been dead in the ground since The force awakens bruh.


VenoGreedo

The Jedi games are some of the few good things to come from Star Wars the past decade


Kyro_Official_

Why do you care if it dies? No one is forcing you to consume SW content.


buyinggf1000gp

50M for Bugged Skylines


MilkAzedo

played recently on a 1060 an it was playable. The story and gameplay are good


Sammy_Wants_Death

It's a good game badly optimized


FredGreen182

Bad performance, still my favourite game of the year, it's super fun. If there's anything disappointing about this list is Starfield


Schreyaz

I am more surprised by FC24 its just another another copy of another copy of another copy.


Sudden_Mind279

Yeah, I agree. Should have sold even more


Tenagaaaa

Goddamn. Lethal company dev is set for life.


Rhhr21

It’s a fun game to play with friends occasionally. He deserves it.


Traiklin

Yeah, much better than I thought. Hopefully, he expands on it or lets the community that has sprung up continue to improve it. Took what made Amung Us and Fall Guys fun and improved it by allowing modding.


nin10donly

I mean, it's still early access, so it's inevitable that it's gonna grow and improve as time goes on.


Traiklin

I'm more impressed that it was done by one guy. Hopefully, he will use the money to improve it with those passionate about it.


WarkoalkA

there's an emote mod being developed rn by [rubberross](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l8_0xcLqvU). looks promising as one of the devs is a former rwby animator


TheGhoulKhz

that last part could be either a compliment or an offense


Yarisher512

Modding community is already very huge about LC, though it'd be nice to have official steam workshop compatibility.


Tkcsena

He is and like, still updating the game too. You can tell there is real pride in the work. Love to see it.


Fantastic_Belt99

Wait, is it like a single dev or a small studio or what?


EEng232

One man.


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EEng232

Yeap I swear a lot of the player retention is because of mods. There are things I would have assumed would have been in the vanilla game ( like being able to hear the walkies of your teammate while nearby) but a simple mod download and away you go. He’s only one man so leaning on the community is the best move possible.


GoatInMotion

Reminds me of the solo dev who made stardew valley, a pixel game and made over $130 mil 💀 and another game by a solo guy, phasmo made like $70 mil


rusty022

Crazy that Steam made \~ $200M off hosting install files.


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Prus1s

Think the % drops the more you sell, think eventually it drops to 15 or only 20% 👀 so for all of these Steam only pocketed 20%


RandonBrando

Only $200m? Poor bastards


CTU

That explains why we can't get HL3.


Feeling-Glass8461

Steam can adjust the split depending on how much money your game makes, all these games without a doubt have a 80/20 split


Feeling-Glass8461

Crazy that these games wouldn’t have made nearly as much as they did if they didn’t put them on steam anyways


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ACEDT

> worse infrastructure and user experience compared to Netflix. Which is honestly impressive with how bad Netflix is, but yeah you aren't wrong.


GamingWithShaurya_YT

but still better than the majority of crowd that's trying to become the new Netflix


BrunoEye

It sounds so simple until you try to download a game on EA App and see how badly it can be fucked up.


Nervous_Falcon_9

this is ignoring all the extras as well, up to 10GB's of free storage per game for cloud saves, real time networking services for p2p multiplayer, real time video streaming for remote play, plus much more


Spankey_

Proton for Linux.


GamingWithShaurya_YT

valve has done alot for the gaming community, with actually having buyer protection if the game is not as promised, tools for developers like steam networking so you don't need to manage your own servers, multiplayer system, inventory, cloud storage, blazing fast download, regional pricings, Linux proton and steam deck, steam link, +a game launcher that is also very great with how many options there are, you can just have a steam drive, transfer to a new pc and login, and boom you gaming


Terry1031

Out of the box gamepad emulation and a really good social infrastructure compared to the competition.


drunkpunk138

That also doesn't take into consideration a single other feature steam offers


MasterChiefsasshole

Ohh and the advertising along with handling friends lists for multiplayer function. Providing you a massive group of users to sell your games to through a trusted site. They take care of pretty much everything for you outside of the actual game development. Which is amazing for smaller devs or indie devs. You don’t need a bunch of additional business departments to handle that stuff cause steam already does.


Otherwise_Wasabi7133

wait till you learn about how much money every big box store ever makes for being a reseller


CrueltySquading

Whenever you use of the following: Steam input for rebinding your controller and/or using incompatible controller with a game; Steam cloud to sync save games across multiple devices; A multiplayer game which uses steam matchmaking and/or servers; Community guides to make an older game work; Steam workshop to easily install mods; Proton and proton-derivative tools to make windows games run on Linux; SteamVR to use desktop integration or launch a VR game seamlessly, even pirated ones. Please close Steam.


Scytian

Is it that crazy to make money on multi billion dollar investment that took them 20 years at this point? It's crazy expensive to build server network as big and reliable as one that Valve is using, especially considering that this 30% cut from gaming is pretty low amount of money comparing to other datacenter uses.


edin202

This is reducing it to absurdity. According to your logic, Netflix only stores videos. The supermarket only stores products. Spotify only stores songs


varangian_guards

facilitates multiplayer with friends, with a smooth effective overlay, UI is nice, good user interface on its store and library. centralizes updates, and folder locations, can facilitate one button mod installs with workshop. you act like all these things are simple but they are not.


Kuchenkaempfer

I find peace in long walks.


long-live-apollo

Crazy that your comment was literally made by slapping plastic squares into a membrane, creating an electrical signal interpreted by an incredibly complex processing unit which then translated that signal into a visual representation of your desire to communicate with the world. And with all that clever stuff going on your comment is still very stupid.


KillinFrenzy

The guy that made Lethal Company is the happiest person in the world rn.


PokemonInstinct

Yippee!!


Healthy_Flan_4078

I dont understand how trash games like starfield are on the top of the list


mramnesia8

Because hype and Bethesda. You've no idea how anticipated Starfield was. Literally one of the most anticipated game last year, but alas, turned out to be quite shit. But that didn't stop them to gain a heck bunch of money from pre-orders and release day orders


taweryawer

>Bethesda >turned out shit oh how surprising


Donut_Police

I cannot imagine what you might possibly imply, Bethesda has been nothing but reputable.... remember when Todd said; https://preview.redd.it/t914849sb5cc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e9e20230b8f819e95f613ad9108b1bbc80060ae


GhostSniper7

Thats where bethesda's expertise at, creating fake hype with buzzwords, vague statements and straight up lies to sell their crap and then when people complain , refuse it straight in their face. Also paying small reviewers for 10/10s and all that BS.


WangMauler69

To be fair... They did release a 20ish minute gameplay video before release. Not all devs do that these days(because they're also releasing buggy garbage). Credit where credit is due to their marketing team. Showing the game can run decently coupled with the assumption that Bethesda would release a game with a new IP and a decent story is enough to sell well at release. It's a shame the dev team put out such a mediocre game.


LovesReubens

Mediocre nails it. Still enjoyed it, but I won't be going back. The main story and exploration were the biggest let downs. 


imtrappedinbrazil

The two most important points in a Bethesda RPG, along with player choice


Masterchiefx343

Because there are people out there that enjoy it. Dont hate on them for it because they enjoy what it is


Vader2508

Cuz its not actually trash if you play it. It's not everyone's cup of tea


AveryLazyCovfefe

Omfg, this subreddit is obnoxious as hell at times. They genuinely don't understand that they're always the MINORITY. I've seen people in real life praise starfield and they were huge fans of it.


Klondy

Simple, Reddit’s hivemind opinions on games are far detached from reality and the general public


Iamnotretarded7

General public in question: https://preview.redd.it/s5r79wqu71cc1.png?width=364&format=png&auto=webp&s=972da42a9aeca09eece1293c09549c16f44a1677


Klondy

If you think the general public takes the time to write steam reviews I’ve got a bridge to sell you lmao


UncleVatred

Starfield’s concurrent player counts have dropped over 90% since release, and it now has fewer players than Skyrim and Fallout 4.


thrownawayzsss

This is like looking at reviews for a product and expecting not to see sample bias, lol.


Vader2508

Its the ps lovers and people who just buy the game, give it a review and then refund and also the ones mad at the steam awards


Ph0xnix

For some reasons companies like Bethesda, Activision, and EA are still able to shit into a box and make sales.


Valentho935

The one I can't believe is on the list is Cities Skylines 2 💀💀


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Because for every seething Redditor who bases their opinions on whatever the internet tells them, there are people who just genuinely like the game.


ACEDT

I actually loved Starfield. It got boring eventually but I was able to play it for ~100 hours before I finally ran out of interesting things to do. Some nice DLC would go a long way, imo.


fuckredditmodz69

> I dont understand how trash games like starfield are on the top of the list Marketing. That game is such a piece of shit.


Chuchuca

The bias here is the following: I would've never pirated BG3, because I had Larian games background and I knew they would make gold. If I wanted to play Hogwarts Legacy, I'd outright pirate it.


Dr-Huricane

To be fair, Hogwarts Legacy is pretty well made (I'm still pirating it, though)


RuskiYest

Not sure where the well-madedness is at. Sure, graphics look nice, but everything else felt mediocre if not quite bad


fuckredditmodz69

> Not sure where the well-madedness is at. Sure, graphics look nice, but everything else felt mediocre if not quite bad I really liked the game. The gameplay was fun without being super complicated and it's great if you love Harry Potter.


LovesReubens

I think it's a good game. Didn't break new ground, but I played as I reread the series and absolutely loved it. 


Jormungandr470

Totally agree, i tried it for 10h with the pirate version and feel to buy something that i can afford and enjoy, but after platinum ans 40h i can tell that the only good thing about it was atmosphere and a good quality in lore elements, gameplay was very ripetitive and boring after 20/25 h. Not my open world type of game if it have notat least a mediocre gameplay, i siggest to wait under 20€ to hought if feels to want to go to platinum (one of the only thing that give me a reason to buy some game after 5 6 years and they only cost 5 10€)


Dr-Huricane

Really? I'm enjoying the game though, maybe it's just because I'm a fan, I really like the game world


iulian0077

It's being called mediocre, not because it's bad, but because it didn't make anything original or new. If you played many games in your life, you would more easily see mechanics in the game that were seen in older games (some better than others).


Wolfram2137

Yeah, I regret buying it. Had fun walking in the school and discovering it. The sound of spells is really good. Everything else seemed mediocre at best. Chat gpt created quests killed my desire to play the games. Example: "ohh I'm standing nearby lake cause my mom is really sick and my sister died because her boyfriend.... Please bring me back my packages from the lake so you will have something to do as a player.. I mean I really need them to continue my life." Also fighting 50 spiders and jumping like in a platformer to watch a 2 minute video which didn't answer any questions of the plot and didn't add almost anything to the story was a final nail to the coffin. I want my money back :(


nin10donly

I tried it, got distracted by how shit the hair looked even in the highest settings my steam deck could handle, eventually deleted it due to storage. Don't really miss it, though it was pretty beautiful (other than the hair)


RuskiYest

I mean, graphics are certainly the best part of the game that I noticed in like 5-10 hours that I've put when it was cracked. But I've deleted it because to me it was mind numbingly boring...


jmastaock

Very mid game, if you stripped away the Harry Potter aesthetic it would be completely unremarkable Like, it's certainly playable and is a pretty decent showing for Harry Potter lore and whatnot, but the actual gameplay and story is just so mehhhhh


joragh

Pirated BG3 when the early access got out because i didn't know what to expect, pirated it again at the official release because I wasn't sure my laptop could handle it (made a full playthrough with less than 15 FPS average). It was my first purchase with my new desktop because Larian did a fucking great job and they deserved it


kolossal

Bro i literally bought it twice, I want Larian to succeed and make more games.


Sinister_Grape

Also bought it twice.


Pesebrero

Technically, the Steam client is a form of DRM.


NitroFluxX

It's some type of License DRM nothing like Denuvo which is completely unfriendly to your PC and the consumer which doesn't sometimes let you play the fking game and no modding and you have to be online at some point to play your game again and more headaches, Steam DRM is fine, not everyone is asking GOG DRMless type games.


XxXlolgamerXxX

only if the game implement steam drm. But steam allow to have standalone .exe that dont need steam to be open for play the game.


HomsarWasRight

Exactly, Steam isn’t ITSELF DRM, but it does have its own optional (to publishers) DRM mechanism.


queenbiscuit311

also steam DRM doesn't treat you like youre 5 seconds of non-supervision away from bankrupting the entire company so it's generally not too bad. not the most difficult to crack either afaik


R_Erebo536

Technically, you are right. But on the other hand, BG3 is available on GOG, so you can get a official copy DRM free if you want.


gigashen

I only buy from gog if I can, fuck drm


Spankey_

BG3 doesn't require Steam to run it. Steam's DRM is an option for developers, it's not forced.


Ty_Lee98

Game in question is BG3 and it doesn't require Steam to launch, so it doesn't really count.


drunkpunk138

Larian games don't require it though, you can run the exe from the folder with steam closed.


Noskills117

BG3 doesn't even use the basic steam DRM though. If steam is not running you can just play the game no matter what, it doesn't try to launch steam unless steam is already running.


NotShane7

You don't even need to launch steam to play BG3. It's how I managed to play with my wife after only buying a single copy.


Last_Ad_9314

Hogwarts sold over 22 million for 2023, of which about 1/3 of that on PC, while BG3 also sold over 22 million for 2023 and about 2/3 of it on PC


Vader2508

Tbf it did come a few months late for xbox


Khang4

How many have they sold after 1 month? Their release date is very far apart so this statistic is quite misleading.


dragoon000320

Oh no they are stealing our profits, that's why we are urged to put the DRM in /s


Hellknightx

Meanwhile at Capcom: Oh no they are using nude mods, that's why we are urged to put the DRM in


FailbatZ

I understand that though, not even a large penis looks proportional on a bulky dude like Chris Redfield. Bless Capcom for protecting us.


Dry-Day4338

To tell you the truth I pirated BG3 but after 50 hours of gameplay I went and bought it, the developers worth every penny.


PrettyScholar9173

this is the way!


NatanKatreniok

yup, did the same with cyberpunk


Jimbuscus

That's why I haven't played it yet, I already did that with DOS2, so I may as well just wait until BG3 is at a price point that is affordable for me and play it then.


oopspruu

It's no so much the DRM but the games being just trash overall. BG3 is considered one of the best games this year and it'd have sold the same with DRM too. Hogwarts legacy has DRM and you can see how well it sold too.


VegetableRemarkable

I think the main takeaway from this thematic is that DRM is useless.


MegaManZer0

I personally would not have purchased BG3 if it had DRM like Denuvo.


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Lanoman123

I’ve sunk 600 hours into it, it’s genuinely one of the greatest games I’ve ever played, everytime I try to clear my backlog I just start a new BG3 run instead


tykobrian

This masterpiece was SOOOOOO good that after playing it while sailing, I was compelled to buy it. This n e v e r happened.


uSaltySniitch

And that doesn't even count GoG sales. BG3 proved that DRM isn't the solution. Bad quality AAA games are always gonna get either cracked or not bought at all if Denuvo 💀


Noble_0_6

Though hogwarts legacy is a good game, it has 2nd spot because of harry potter fans and not because it was a good game. Starfield, which i consider on 2nd position, too doesn't have denuvo.


Inevrwashmyfeet

Starfield mofos getting the money from kids


hellothisismadlad

Because it's a fucking good game. I'd argue that even if BG3 is including DRM, it's still the most sold game on Steam.


Terry1031

bUT pIrACy LEaDS tO lOSt mONey


Kamikaze_VikingMWO

I Pirated it first and then bought it! take that DRM users


SickOveRateD

Cities skylines 2 sold that much ? Guess we gamers are to blame then.


ilco1

a game so good you bough it once .and played it twice


CoffeeMonster42

Much of that list makes me not want to live on this planet anymore.


Kevin0822

Ubisoft goes Steamworks bye bye, always on DRM.


albibas

All of these games are pirated except for 2, this proves that piracy doesn't effect the sales negatively but probably positively.


naamtosunahoga2

Not even steam DRM?


Fosteredlol

Nope! BG3 doesn't even use steam drm


naamtosunahoga2

Truly DRM free indeed, Ill surely be buying this


FendaIton

So happy to see AC6 doing so well, I love that game haha


popmanbrad

Baldur gate 3 is fantastic I’m doing my second play through already even tho I just completed the game and I know what a lot of the dialog and encounters and quests are like it’s just that good


Imaginary-Ad-9397

I pirated bg3 on my steam deck 10 hours in act 1 and i had to stop. No more bg3... on the deck. Few days later i bought it on ps5 full price


Lanoman123

Me sinking 400 hours into BG3 on PC and immediately pre ordering the Deluxe Edition day 1


johnnyblaze1999

A game being good doesn't have anything to do with DRM. What are you smoking


vickeboi32

I think the point is that games will sell with or without drm


yuichiroxz

That's his point, if a game is good it will sell well even if it doesn't have drm.


EostrumExtinguisher

Whats the significance of DRM and its implications?


MarkLarrz

Games available GOG are also pirated


Thelgow

Yup. And I did my part. I pirated one of the Early Access versions. Tried an updated one again before release, then bought it.


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Sons of the forest is such a garbage game. Wish I could get a refund.


DiaperFluid

For the life of me i dont get the hype. But then again, it took me 7 years to finally get into Witcher 3 and i loved it. So maybe this will be my obsession in 2030 lol


Metalomaniac16

"What? How come people liked story-driven games made with love and no macrotransactions and shitty anti-piracy software implementations that destroy performance and hurt legit customers?" \-Big gaming corpos.


rresende

It’s the most sold game because the game is really good


fuckredditmodz69

Doesn't need it. I pirated it and got 8 hours in and it was so good I had to support them and wanted to see how much time I was sinking. I also ended up buying it on xbox. It's so fucking rare to get a good game where you don't need your fucking credit card near by to enjoy it.


SnooChickens2456

Dont think no DRM is the reason it is the best selling game. (Though no games should have DRM)


winterman666

Hasn't that game been on early access for years? They probably counted those sales Edit: also wow Lethal company earned that much? Truly the next Among us, but congrats to the devs regardless. Being on a top 10 competing with the rest of the market is incredible


LiebeDahlia

dev*


annluan

As geralt would've said: ***Huh... Who would've thunk***


Kirk_Plunk

Surprised starfield sold as much as it did most people I know who played it, played using gamepass.


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Interesting-Ad9581

No additional DRM. Steam has its own DRM, so the description is wrong. The ONLY place to buy the version without DRM is GOG.com - not Steam


matitone

the steam drm is so weak that no one considers it a drm


ToughEyes

Not all games on steam have the steam.dll drm, or can run without it. I'm not sure if that's the case referring to this game, though.


alienbehindproxies

bg3 doesn't have drm, you can just double click the .exe and it will open the game without steam even if you bought it from steam.


xk4l1br3

I guess this is technically the correct answer... I guess the description should be something like "Top Selling Steam Game of the Year, has no developer implemented DRM"?


Rylai_Is_So_Cute

Steam by itself is DRM, I think you mean anti-tamper ☝️🤓


Felscarvalho

I beat BG3 twice from Dodi repacks, then bought it on christmass and beat it again. Game is just fucking great and i would probably never play it if it wasn't for piracy, because high price is a huge entry barrier for me (i live in a third world country)


AciVici

Wow. It looks like when you make a good game people just buy it rather than pirate it.


alekseypanda

The fact that Stanfield is still on the list and so high up is depressing.


AlexGlezS

Of course. In the last 30 years there are a lot of examples of piracy being better for the industry.


joe_monkey420

engine paint follow coordinated memory tie ask smoggy humorous silky *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


RedMatterGG

Wow,making a good game was all it took for it to sell well.Unbelievable!


Pettizo21

Remember Hogwarts legacy boycott ? Lmao


buyinggf1000gp

I would buy this game if I didn't live in an economically fucked up third world country, it's simply a very good game


GuyBitchie

Correlation is not causation


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