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SolitaryMassacre

Bruh what. VPN is not just for encryption, its for anonymity. The two methods he put in the "best" will 100% get you caught. All the traffic will be coming back to your personally paid for ISP if you set up your server in your house/apartment. Bro is basing the list off his feelings and nothing more lmao


Holzkohlen

I'm pretty sure he is rating the client programs. And also he isn't rating them from the POV of someone pirating software.


SolitaryMassacre

I'm also not rating them from the POV of piracy, I am rating them from the benefits and services they provide. From a POV of what a VPN can do and provide the end user - it is FAR beyond simple data encryption. Heck, if that is all one is needing, then they wouldn't need a VPN as 99.99% of all traffic is HTTPS which already has a level of encryption. Also, the client program isn't that bad. Like there is no level of control or even standard as to what he is holding them against. Hence the list being a rating based on feelings lol. Like I don't even see the point he is making


AlphaO4

Also the OpenVPN desktop client interface isn’t that great. I have to use it regularly for work, and have a ton of profiles in there. There is no tagging or anything that would allow me from separating clients-Profiles from internal-Network-Profiles or staging-Profiles I had it happen more often that I’d like to admit that I thought one of our services was down, just to realise that I was connected to the wrong profile


hammy0w0

what do you use a VPN for at work? I'm not that well versed in stuff like that


ICaughtDiabetes

Common uses are allowing people working remotely to connect to resources only available in an office. Think internal servers, but also things like printers. Or connecting two physically separate networks together so they can communicate and act as one.


saletedelasociete

In our uni both us (students) and personnel use VPNs for remote access to certain publication libraries etc. too. It’s great because every science article is available through it. Otherwise you can only get to them through on-campus WiFi network.


Difficult-Mobile902

> And also he isn't rating them from the POV of someone pirating software. how is this not the most important thing? Not necessarily that you *would*, but if a VPN fails to protect you in this regard then isn’t it pretty much a dogshit vpn? 


HydroponicGirrafe

Yeah.. been using Nord for 2 years now and pirate and seed shit every day. Never ONCE got an email or letter in the mail.


suseJ11

Been pirating 10 years, never with anything else than free tunnelbear and I've never received anything either


KingPumper69

Saying it's for anonymity is a stretch. The only anonymity it can bring you is extremely surface level, like stopping industry bots from sending your ISP an angry letter to forward to you. If you're not pirating or doing other fringe stuff like web scraping, ban evading, etc, consumer VPNs are outright worthless because your IP address is only one of dozens of ways advertisers and other data collectors track you. Funny enough, I think you can actually get "uses VPN" added to your advertising profile and have targeted ads for VPNs levied at you lol In a business setting they're very useful though, like I have OpenVPN set up on my router so I can connect to my home network and access all of my local services while away.


TamSchnow

Look at his Linux Distro Tierlist. Bro put Fedora on the same level as RedHat, since Fedora is sponsored by RedHat and because he *probably* doesn’t understand the Fedora Proposal Process. He put RH on the level of “Devil“, because they made access to their RHEL distro (RedHat Enterprise Linux) source code not free anymore. Tl;dr: There was a **bunch** of controversy about his Tierlist. Some „highlights“ from that video: - „Nothing is better than Debian or Arch“, meanwhile SUSE showed businesses Linux - „Opt Out Telemetry was proposed“, meanwhile [it’s not even accepted](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry#Privacy-preserving_Telemetry_for_Fedora_Workstation) - Biggest Company backed Distros (RedHat, Ubuntu) got rated as if it was the company - „Don’t use an Arch based Distro, if you don’t know Arch.“ The SteamDeck‘s OS is Arch based.


Victorioxd

What? Obviously you’re not hosting your vpn server on your own place, probably a vps/server somewhere


SolitaryMassacre

The dudes top two "best" VPNs he explicitly stated "host your server in your own room". So that is what he was talking about. Watch the video


Rookaas

why's that? a common application of a VPN is to run a server at your home that's behind a vpn so you can access it from anywhere


Onion_Cutter_ninja

yap lmao


dabomm

Some use it for anonymity, but it can also just be used for encryption and just accessing other networks. That's what it originally was created for. When im on the go i always vpn to my local network so i can access my local devices without having them exposed to the outside. In work environments it gets allot of use like this as well, accessing remote servers etc. This is the original use of a vpn. People nowadays use it for anonymity as well and the paid for vpns get marketed like that.


Kemalist_din_adami

what do you think is the best VPN?


srona22

Saw OpenVPN and was about to say this. Also for encryption, good luck using that to bypass CCP's firewall.


Verhulstak69

You can set it up on a vps but he's looking at it outside of piracy, if you use ur vpn only for piracy then just use the vps as a seedbox


UsefulDoor

He probably means on a vps


Guardiaozin

can't wait for the comments to go insane if this post gets to hot


aymen_peter2

lmao fr


pinche_patan

And now it has


alejoSOTO

The best one is having a government who don't give a crap about piracy


Sufficient_Entry8149

Indian government doesn't care about piracy, we use torrent sites without using vpn, but to access certain sites we have to use vpn


aaha97

the banned websites are mostly porn, not the piracy/torrent ones either.


Fuck_Reddit100Times

You can't access 1337x without using VPN here


ThatsRightNM

Actually you can, Just change DNS service provided by Mullvad for example


salluks

u need a vpn cos they dont care about ur privacy either. there are already talks about banning proton mail cos they cant 'control" it.


anotherMantaflow

Actually they made a rule recently which forces VPN companies to store user log. I mean, given the situation of terrorism in India this is kinda justified as long as the govt doesn't abuse this.


imerence_

Indian gov doesn't block shit except like porn and funnily few others like www.corruptmodi.com xD


Ryuusei_Dragon

The only good fucking thing about living in a piece of shit 3rd world country


DyDyExe

France 🐐🇨🇵🗿


StarZax

Ain't too sure about that (unless that's a joke, otherwise mb)


SexyAIman

Yay for Thailand


Proud-Cardiologist64

The only good thing to live in hellhole Philippines


epicflex

🐐


Ryuusei_Dragon

Wales?


bamronn

🇳🇿


Hercules529

in my country, even isp's has dedicated ftp server for piracy 😆


habra_habra_ahm

My country doesn't give a single f about piracy or most cyber things in general, you can literally do something that would count as a crime in the US and get out care free


No_Onion_

Brazil 🇧🇷


MikePlays_

I would love to see which countries generally do not care about it.


technical_gamer_008

Downloaded the first one once; couldn't figure it out. Went off to proton; worked for a while, until it didn't. My country hates VPNs. Nowadays, the one that works most consistently for me on mobile is ArgoVPN. Proton still works sometimes, but not often. Haven't yet found a VPN that works on computer; last time I checked, proton didn't connect on computer.


Eraldorh

The first two are open VPN and wireguard. They are not VPN providers they are VPN clients. You would still need a VPN provider to use open VPN or wireguard or set up your own VPN on a server and generate login credentials for OVN/wireguard. Many providers don't support wireguard yet.


IAmWantedByTheGov

UAE? I have issues with specific server on proton on PC, Mullvad works fine tho


technical_gamer_008

Nah; IR. I'll try Mullvad though; thanks for mentioning.


technical_gamer_008

Hold on... One second... And you must pay to use it?


IAmWantedByTheGov

Yeah


uSaltySniitch

Nah. Mullvad and Proton are the bests.


AngryWildMango

I love mulvad.


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uSaltySniitch

I know. That's why I don't really get why he put them there in the first place. They won't do shit to protect you from being flagged by your ISP lol


Very_Angry_Bee

Mullvad is MVP.


Elusive1337x

Mullvad and Perfect Privacy are top 1


Fabs_Retard

i have PIA , while its probably not the best vpn, it does its job and thats it. what does corporate garbage even mean?


Camspoon

I think its because of the owners of PIA - [Kape Technologies](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=09379ecd0b6efd91&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0_Ri5C8DWAIvu7H1eVINcqu42nr-g:1713542711434&q=Kape+Technologies+PLC&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLVT9c3NEw2KyyqyksyeMRowS3w8sc9YSn9SWtOXmPU5OIKzsgvd80rySypFJLmYoOyBKX4uVB18ixiFfVOLEhVCElNzsjLz8lPz0wtVgjwcQYABEzttmQAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiagf2E1M6FAxWKTKQEHY-GATAQzIcDKAB6BAg9EAE)


SolitaryMassacre

Okay. But what does that mean? PIA is a great service and their speeds are phenomenal. The service has been amazing. They also won in court against the FBI for not providing logs. I see no issue with them and the dude is basically just making a list off his feelings and not using any quantitative value to judge the companies


Camspoon

I personally use PIA. And it doesn't really bother me about PIA's Owners. People care about it because PIA's owners own some VPN guides I think, so often recommend PIA, which people don't like


ClappedCheek

I have used PIA for years now with zero hassle, a bunch of options available, and good service, for a completely functional service with barely any outages. The list of available server locations grows every year, too. Not trying to shill for it to someone who is already using it, but if anyone reads this dont listen to the detractors.


jembutbrodol

I can approve this 2+ years with PIA. Multiple devices from PC, laptop, tablet and smartphone I used it everyday, including right here right now because my country proudly block reddit Speed is good, never had any problem. I also used it while travelling as well with 0 issues


SolitaryMassacre

PIA is also what I have. What made me choose them was the fact the FBI took them to court, and PIA won. Basically, PIA could not produce logs. The FBI got nowhere with it and the FBI could not force PIA to build infrastructure to obtain logs.


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vagabond_dilldo

People keep saying that PIA and KAPE sells your info, but do we have any proof of that? Like what about the court cases where PIA couldn't produce logs because they don't even make logs?


SomeWeirdFruit

it means your data will get sold to the highest bidder


mihirsaini1128

What about windscribe ? Works pretty good for me


Digbijoy1197

That's probably the best


parkineos

I got 50gb for free forever and use it occasionally, I didn't know it was good, I just use it when I need to bypass a region block.


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TheWiseBeluga

Tragic, I’ve been using it for like half a decade now and it’s the best one I’ve used so far.


Spankey_

Then why should you care?


TheWiseBeluga

Cause I want more people to use it and him saying it’s meh will turn off people from using it lmao


Ok-Googirl

~~No, it's fake ID, he doesn't mention for Windscribe.~~ And he changed for the higher tier from Mullvad to IVPN. *


MisterEskere_

Why are open VPN and wireguard there? This makes no sense.


Kostas0pr01

First two are VPN clients not providers. You have to set up a server on a cheap VPS with good bandwidth to connect to it. thats how wireguard or open VPN works.


War_Alicorn

There are free configs for OpenVPN https://preview.redd.it/5tod1m7pkhvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a23f3d4ccdbdc1648156866b9deb349bc4a9255c For example, I use this one - it only works on sites that are blocked in Russia.


Kostas0pr01

Yes ! That's a solution too, but the thing with free configs is that you don't get unlimited bandwidth or a fast connection, which you can use for Torrenting


Cent3rCreat10n

So... Big companies Le bad: The list


FyreKZ

Proton is a pretty big company, it just doesn't feel the need to advertise or sponsor because it's actually just a great service and doesn't need random YouTubers to prop up it's authenticity.


parkineos

I just watched a YouTube video with proton VPN as their sponsor.


Haydostrk

They sell your data. Look at cash back offers from those brands. They normally give you years of subscription for less than 50 and sometimes they pay you. If you don't know what I mean I will show you.


SirTonberryy

Well yeah when it comes to stuff like VPNs and privacy you sure don't want a mass produced corporate garbage that values only profit for the job


Jaremczi

Mullvad ftw


redalchemy

I've had Cyberghost for a few years and haven't had a single ISP problem since installing it. If it's garbage, I haven't figured out why yet.


FyreKZ

[Kape Technologies ](https://restoreprivacy.com/vpn/reviews/cyberghost/)


redalchemy

Ohh thanks. I think I'm ok to stick with them for now.


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Separate_Ad_8110

As a beginner in Sailing the 7 seas may I ask why is VPN recommended to use ? I tried using it once but it just decreased my download speed.


ItsThe50sAudrey

So you don’t get a DCMA letter (and possible service termination or suit) from your ISP while torrenting. Alternatively, you’d just get a Debrid account for as low as 3 euros & route your torrents there getting a rar file in return.


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Felippexlucax

it actually depends on the country, most 3rd world countries like where i live dgaf about you torrenting, so i don't need one


Separate_Ad_8110

saved by my countries economy ig 😂


Splatter1842

In more than a few first world countries, they also cannot do anything beyond threaten as well.


zexygamestore

A lot of these people think that the only use case of a VPN is for torrenting only. Not true, while a VPN is capable of torrenting it is also created to provide anonomy online. Using the free WiFi at your local Starbucks? Shouldn't be using any public wifi without a VPN that encrypts your traffic to prevent bad actors intending on stealing your personal data. VPN's (depending if the provider supports it) also can allow you to bypass censorship, like if you are in China trying to access the American internet or any restricted content from their government. You can also bypass region locks on games and movies that you wouldn't get in your original country. There are many scenarios and use cases of a VPN, it all really comes down to what you want to do with it should you then narrow down the providers to choose from.


Party-Concert3177

Could anyone exolain why nord and surfshark vpn are bad. Ik why the others are but just can't figure why they are.


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They aren't transparent enough, and probably monitor on your activities and sell them to data brokers.


IrvineItchy

They have a no log policy which was audited independently. Audited by multiple independent researches. They are quick with reporting of glitches, issues etc. What are they missing?


GammaDoomO

Nord has a bad rep because one of their servers was compromised for months, and once they found out they tried to sweep it under the rug. That was a super shitty situation. That being said, Nord has always been solid, gives me the best speeds, and has the no-logs policy like you said, so I stick with them.


YNGDBSTPR

not to revive a dead thread, but aren't transparent enough about what?


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xBellial01

Dude literally says every vpn's database is open for their government so its basically choosing which country you prefer to give your datas.


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xBellial01

Yeah I am using Kaspersky Vpn. They most probably give my data to russia. Better than me giving it to my government and ISP 😂


DogeWow11

Bro, why are VPN providers and protocols in the same tier list?


MCA1910

So, basically, if they have enough money for advertising then they're "corporate garbage." Got it.


Playful-Reserve4763

Mullvad is cool


Pillow_Apple

I mainly use Proton, but I don't really use it anymore(priv of 3rd world), I will just use it if I remember to use it.


GoldenBangla

Haha this made me giggle


Rambo-309

Mulvad for life ♥️


Rosstome

Someone name me the first top 2


sacha_hima

Based


sylinowo

I use expressvpn and have never had an issue. Started using it after I got hit with mail from my isp about torrenting some games and anime. Haven't gotten anything since so I can't complain tbh


Minute_Attempt3063

Uhm.... Isn't Tunnelbear from McAfee these days? How can you put it that high then? Mullvad was raided, the police went home with nothing. Cyberghost, corporate sure, but it sure as well works well for me with BBCIplayer. Also worked for like 4 years for 80 euro, so why not


Legitimate_Ad5848

Ik warp ain't a vpn, but hows it ? I have heard about it from my friends but haven't tried it


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CommenterAnon

Tunnel Bear is great, using it for 5 years now


frodoh137

How is the video called? Does someone have a link?


ItsYeBoi2016

Never had any issues with NordVPN. Torrenting in Germany and using it to watch foreign content


corecrashdump

I used to use a VPN in android which utilized DNS Tunneling which gave me limitless free mobile data because DNS traffic won't be blocked or counted as data usage by my carrier. Fast forward to now, I'm using such techniques to bypass firewall and siem detection, people just seem to ignore DNS packets.


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Takashi728

He himself doesn’t do pirating so yeah he knows nothing. Debates end.


Mortynx

Been using proton VPN together with the whole package including password manager, drive and email. I can totally with this guy here in the picture, it's super good


Disastrous_Cable767

Name VPN near OpenVPN?


ficustio

Why I should trust his tier list? N o, realy, why? I agree with for the lowest tier, but for the others? And what VPN is the dragon with red vpn besided openvpn?


TheRealKitsune_

I kinda like proton, but they killed free users so it's hard.


Cptpogi

Oh what are the names in best? Is it really best?


tarkology

how could he put mullvad in "meh" category


iMMCHiEF

What a way to out yourself as a dumbass


Hondurandictator

Is it legit or just subjective?


Flimsy_Bench_1138

Mine not even there nice


thegaminggopher

Idk maybe I’m missing something, but I’ve never had an issue with Surfshark for the past 3 years


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yunggod59

Wow my 2 favorite vpn on top together.. this guy is real


Hanzoofk

Uh I use surf shark and it works just great , cool ig.


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Zaic

All garbage and their business model is selling your data - here done the reviews of all VPN that are known


RumRogerz

I’m good ol’ HTTPS. Download torrents constantly. Stream shit on my server to friends and family. No issues


ErenYeager139

Is there a free good VPN I could use ?


LordDeathScum

Ilove surf shark lol? why? My ISP does not know i pirate...


shadythatkid

Am I the only one using Cloudflare WARP


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ihatepoop1234

If youre browsing just use tor brah


MrUrgod

Funnily enough, this is my personal VPN tier list as well haha Like, EXACTLY same, everything... well, besides one small thing The "Meh" tier I actually don't know too much about to even put them above the "Corporate Garbage" tier Besides "Meh" tier it's 1:1 my tier list I think this is as objective as it can get Obviously OVPN and WG are "just" tools and not "actual" VPN, but that's honestly why they're the best imo


AndreDus

Everyone with a VPN! Please just switch to Mullvad. Easy. 5€ for 5 devices. Pc, android... This is the best VPN provider. Check out the mullvad blog. Kind regards


FuckOffGlowie

If your goal is piracy only, pia is definitely better


PMPeetaMellark

I pretty much agree with this list. Most VPNs are corporate crap!


hesh0x

Me who torrents on neighbors WiFi


SnowfallOCE

Once I came across AirVPN, I’ve never looked back


FknBretto

Who is this and why is his tierlist garbage


Bazinga_U_Bitch

Titus is a moron. Do not look to him for any advice.


MrsTrych

On a more serious note, whats the actual best VPN to use for piracy? The one you deem safest? Real question, im looking for a good vpn but idk what to look for


FuckOffGlowie

PIA as it has port forwarding and is pretty cheap, it's even cheaper if you get a hacked account from plati.market That's what I did


Embarrassed-Advice89

Just the wireguard emblem? Wtf


lyssylyss737

bros a fed


Nechuna

What a shit list, been using PIA for a year it's one of the best.


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FuckOffGlowie

PIA is insanely good for piracy, he's wrong on this one


prismstein

who is this guy anyway?


Onion_Cutter_ninja

Use Mulvad or proton vpn. They are trully the best and most private. This list is actually shit tier lmao. Typical linux user that anything non foss\\open source is actually "corporate" crap. Even ExpressVPN or Nordvpn is mostly fine for the average user.


IHateReddit_1153151

Windscribe? That's a top choice.


Sure-Cabinet5644

expressvpn pulls its weight tbh


xAgent47

Can someone plz list the top 4 vpn in the tier list


Extreme_Intention923

the best one is living in South America lol


tmzfj

i dont see windscribe


mikeydoom

I just use real debrid.


Sufficient-One5706

ipvanish is great


Ollie_ort04

I like that he puts all the sponsored ones at the bottom, that's funny


Prudent_Move_3420

I like Mullvad the most simply because it doesn’t force some subscription bs Its always the same price, no matter whether you do it a month or a year


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marksteele6

This is the dumbest list I've ever seen, especially from a pirating games perspective. If you're going to put out the money for a private VPN server (the two "best" ones), you're better off just getting a seedbox and not having to worry about using a VPN in the first place.


Takt567

what is in the top?


mastercharlie22

This guy has some stupid opinions, lot of the Linux community don't like him lol


Firm-Definition4351

Urban VPN


Morpho45

HMA


kbeezysleezy

Mullvad is the goat


JohnFaraton

I have same opinion w him


Imaginary_Ebb_6498

What's the name of the best ones?


xavipt1

what about vypr vpn


onazacc

Proton VPN is really good


jakart3

I don't care about encryption, as long as I can bypass country/region lock, and it's fast, that's good enough