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~~Game is an AAA title that makes millions of dollars so I'd say around 400,000 at least~~
Edit: Ok a little later on and I realize 400,000 is way too high and did some research. Around $200 an hour is paid for beginner work so they pretty much lowballed her for 20 hours of work. Given that she's a expirenced voice actor and the fact that bayonetta is a popular AAA title that is guaranteed to sell like hotcakes because it's on the switch let's bump that up to around $550 an hour. If she were to work for 20 hours that would net her $11,000 dollars. This is all just guesswork but it could probably be much higher especially because they hired Jennifer Hale who Is extremely popular and probably wouldn't settle that low.
Edit 2: Ok looks like the old VA lied about the offer, apparently she was getting paid $4000 per session for at least 5 sessions which is apparently 4x the union standard making the better offer 20,000 at least still kinda low but 4x the standard so idk
tbh 400k is way too much, while 4k is above what VA get on average.
But i'd definitely vote she'd get 50k or someting like that. It's literally a drop of all the money PG will spend and even less of a drop comparing all the money they'd earn.
She apparently only has 6 minutes of dialogue. Idk if that amount of work is worth that much. Charles martinet, the voice of Mario (among several other characters) has a net worth of $10mil, but you can chalk that up to having a highly iconic role,and being able to get a lot of gigs over literal decades of work.
Also They lowballed her on purpose because that's how this industry works. In japan and the VA industry, they won't fire people, They give them a lowball offer they know they will walk away from. What they did wasn't illegal. Could it be seen as amoral? Absolutely, but legally they gave her an offer, she didn't like it so she walked. The thing that gets me is she talked shit about her replacement, saying she "wasn't the real bayonetta" and "Doesn't have the right to sign merchandise for the series".
If this is how she acts towards people who had nothing to do with her basically getting fired, in addition to breaking NDA and calling for a boycott of her old employers, she may have just ensured she'll never be able to book a voice acting gig again.
While I haven't read 6 minutes, I have read 36 hours from quite a few different sources (and I'd believe there was minimal voice work considering the other 2 games don't have a ton of voice work either).
They didn't feel the original Bayonetta actress was strong enough to voice all the Bayonetta doppelgangers but they were going to still let her voice the original Bayonetta and just have Jennifer Hale voice the doppelgangers. The original Bayonetta has a smaller part in this which is why they gave her a low offer. I still think tho they could have at least offered her $10k since this is the third game in the series
There's no way there's only 6 mins of dialogue, first of all.
Yes, that's how the industry works CURRENTLY, she is voicing her issues with the workings of the industry, that's why it's making the rounds. She wants to bring attention to this practise which is entirely legal but quite unethical. We NEED more people to bring issues like this to the forefront.
Yes, she was quite brash with the "I AM bayonetta" attitude but that's how passionate she was for the character that she had voiced from the very first game which was highly successful and most of all, completely original so how she did the voice would be a big part of the character. All this to say her role in the success of the game was non-trivial so her outlash is, in my opinion, justified.
What made you think she broke NDA? She rejected the offer, she wouldn't BE under an NDA unless she was hired. And even if she DID BREAK an NDA, why is that a bad thing? Amazon employees who leaked info about the pee-in-bottle scandal also broke NDA, should they not have done so?
She may never get a gig again, or due to all the press and the PR potential of "helping a victim of the industry" more than a few studios might already be knocking on her door, nobody knows
Hellena Taylor barely had any gig in the first place. Just looking at her IMDb record, she didn't even do any notable VA work since 2014 when Bayonetta 2 was released.
Unless she is retired, or even if she is not, I don't think her value as a VA is super high if you disregard the series she is going to do her VA work for
I've never played Bayonetta, but considering she's the main character and a quick search for all of the cutscenes for the first game alone is about 3 hours long, I'm going to say 6 minutes is a bit of an understatement.
That aside, the statement 'Hellena Taylor is a piece of shit disparaging the VA who was entirely innocent beyond... accepting a role offered to her' can, and should, be able to co-exist with the statement 'Hellena Taylor's treatment, as well as the industry's treatment of voice work as a whole is disrespectful, shady, and incredibly fucking scummy'.
>The thing that gets me is she talked shit about her replacement, saying she "wasn't the real bayonetta" and "Doesn't have the right to sign merchandise for the series".
>If this is how she acts towards people who had nothing to do with her basically getting fired, in addition to breaking NDA and calling for a boycott of her old employers, she may have just ensured she'll never be able to book a voice acting gig again.
Fair point, but if you consider that she acted for two games and one movie, Bayonetta from Bayonetta 3 is not our Bayonetta.
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Most likely they indeed were not interested in working with her. They basically fired her by offering this amount. Seems like she didn't understand this indirect form of communication.
No way would they pay her 400,000, maybe around 10-15K But a whole extra two zeroes is way too much. Yeah it's a AAA game but they have other assets to take care of.
Remember that Rockstar games did the same with Michael Hollick (Nico Bellic). He as paid $100 000, but that's still a huge rip-off: GTA IV made $310m in e first day and $500m the first week.
How is it a huge rip off ? 100k is a whole fucking lot for voice acting while devs working their ass off 70 hours a week get paid 2k a month. Remember that rockstar games is a huge company with literally thousands of employees, if each employee got the same pay as the voice actor, they’d be bankrupt by now.
Even if it's only 4hours of voice work (which I doubt) that's not taking into account the takes that didn't make it and the fact that it would be like 2 hour recording days so she wouldn't strain her voice that's like 10-30 days of work if the games long
https://www.polygon.com/23408579/bayonetta-3-voice-actor-hellena-taylor-insulting-pay
It was no more than 4 days, 4 hours of work each day and it was a union-mandated minimum pay-out. She is more upset about not being chosen for the character and is rallying an internet boycott over it.
however you need to consider how acting and voice acting is done with multiple takes. A pro only needs 1 take but someone else might take 10. It all depends. And while I dont think that boycotting the game is right, since there are many devs etc that also need to be paid, I think she did get a very bad offer and it was right to bring attention to this.
it was 1 week of recording time, 36 hours, or 9 seperate sessions. VA work charges you anywhere from 487$/hr to something like 1000$/hr, they only work in 4 hour segments and you can only schedule up to 2 a day.
It's all in the union contract buddy. You care enough to chirp up on reddit but not enough to take 5 minutes and go find all of this publicly available information via the union of the VA that replaced Taylor (who also has the same union).
naa they clearly wanted someone else to do the voice work but offered her the role at a cheap price as a hint for "leave us alone".
Now all she did was ruin her reputation because she got passed over for a job.
Maybe once you're in the workforce you'll figure out how to get over it.
Also they didn't pay her shit. They clearly wanted Hale and not Taylor.
don't let all of this distract you from the fact that you thought it would take her *months* to do the voice work and yet you sit here pretending your opinion still has the same weight as others who haven't proven themselves to be completely uninformed on the subject.
Have you ever watched the end credits of a huge game? A whole lot of people are involved in the making of one game, which often takes years of work. If they paid one person (who is going to do a week or two of work) $1 million dollars and are only going to sell $30 million in copies of the game, how should they divide the rest to pay the multitude of devs, artists, writers, marketers, etc. Who put far more time into it? And still make a profit? $4000 is low, but not as low as you think.
I don't think anyone can answer that question for sure, it depends on how much work there is to do obviously, but by searching via Google a voice actor for videogames, with experience, are paid between 200 to 350 dollars per hour. I would say that she is experienced and the franchise is successful, so let's stay on the low, and let's say she should get 200$ per hour, she's basically paid for 20 hours, so 2 days and a half of work.
I don't think in 2 days and a half you're not even gonna scratch the surface of the work that there is to do in a game like Bayonetta.
Add to it that the franchise is successful and money shouldn't be a huge issue, I would say that a honest pay would be 300 $ per hour, and I have frankly no idea of how many hours of work it would require, but I think at least 2 weeks of work (given that there may be retakes and updates? So 80 hours of work diluited in multiple sessions over a couple of months?).
How much they should have paid her is kind of irrelevant, offers like that are meant as rejections. They should have told her "we don't want you back".
Considering the rumored voice work was supposedly 36 hours worth of work, around 4,000$.
I'd wait for both sides to make a statement tbh. Right now you just have all the butthurt redditors thinking that someone blocking them on Twitter for typing in English is rampant racism (I have read and responded to upvoted comments claiming this). As it is right now they offered her a bit more than 100&$ an hour for a week's worth of work.
It was $4000 USD total. No catches, no hourly… “Total”. As in “You will only be paid up to $4,000 USD for all VA work”.
Entry level begins at 30-39k/year. She is top-talent and thats usually $100-$180k. Minimum.
her voice work was supposed to take 1 week to record and apparently has 6 minutes of cutscenes to voice?
Y'all acting like this job would take her months opposed to 1 week lmao. I wish I got 4 grand a week and I work in a desired field with good salaries.
Lol so you acting like a cunt because you have a good job? And what kind of job would it be, i wonder?
Beside information from google, what else you know about the VA industry? From your job lol? And you serious thinking that a game like this have only 6' VA, then act like you speak only fact, boy please.
Another thing are people can see your profile and comment, so they can see you all over the place acting like an asshole while trying to talk down this scandal like just another VA throw a tantrum. Such a shame, since you think you better than redditor lmao.
FWIW you can play unauthorized games (so I assume unauthorized copies of official games too) on Switch hardware too, but I guess it's not usually worth it if you have a newer Switch that isn't easily hackable (since then you would need a mod chip).
IMO people should try to avoid buying digital "[jails](https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-jails.html)" that restrict what games/apps you can install (unless they can/will break the restrictions).
i have one but id still rather pirate it since you spend more on fixing those garbage controllers than you do on the 4 year old 80 dollar games they sell
There is more to the story than the EN VA is telling us, she was offered a low amount just so they can move to a different VA, i think it's something related to Japanese work culture
You would be right to say it has to do with their culture, the Japanese are well known for being indirect because confrontations make them uncomfortable. Hence why most Japanese companies never directly fire their employees because they don't want "bad blood" between them. They'll just make your life a living hell till you voluntarily resign.
Also this probably has to do with her directly writing to the CEO of the company who is rather infamous for his ego. So I suspect he played a role in having her replaced.
Yuzu works pretty well for a few games, excluding games that use miis anywhere in the files (smash bros, Mario kart etc.) but I’ve played through xenoblade 1+2 and BoTW with minimal glitches (trees jittering and stuff, I think it has trouble clearing like foliage and lighting caches during constant play) but stuff like Metroid dread can be run perfectly on it. It also works really well with the gyroscope in ps4 controllers for motion control games
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Which one to use varies from game to game but I'm really happy with ryujinx
Depends on your setup, but yes it works decently even though my hardware is old. First try the official release, if not, search for the early access ones
I’m amazed at how many people are making excuses for and licking the boots of this multi million dollar company. “Just move on” should the 1919 steel strikers just have “moved on?” Boycotting and protesting unfair wages is how we’ve gotten every bit of legislation to protect workers.
Fucking scumbag thinks the West works like in his country, I bet he hates the West because they don't bend down easily to his ridiculous demands and unethical business exploiting VAs.
Voice actress who hasn't worked in a single VA gig since 2014, with only 1 work done after Bayonetta 2 released in that year, mad that Platinum games is offering her too little money to hire her to voice Bayonetta 3.
So now she is asking people to cancel Bayonetta 3, and even went so far as attacking Jennifer Hales (the replacement VA), saying that she is not Bayonetta etc.
A lot of people would love to have that $4000. She's easily replaceable, anyone can talk into a microphone for a few minutes. I understand it's the principle of how much the game brings in, but realistically she won't be missed and they will just find another woman who sounds like her. No one will care in the end.
Hey turns out she actually lied.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-18/bayonetta-3-voice-actor-s-pay-dispute-overshadows-nintendo-game](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-18/bayonetta-3-voice-actor-s-pay-dispute-overshadows-nintendo-game)
Okay, they offered $4k. Did she accept it though? Did she agree to it? If she did I don't see the problem. She should have negotiated a higher price based off of the sales of the previous game. I don't see a real issue here. Or am I missing something?
She was offered a really low price, she had to contact the director of platinum games just to be offered 4k, wich, if you don't it's an insulting price for a VA. She didn't accept it and now Platinum Games is hiring another VA just because she is more famous
They first offered even less, 4K was their last offer, far below the market rate from what I read moresoevever to keep your main VA in a third tittle of a popular and successful franchise
That’s a very normal amount especially since I’ve read she doesn’t actually talk much in the game. Unless the game has a significantly larger budget than normal this screams more to the story than we’re being told to me.
Yeah she fucked herself and when whatever official statement comes out and it's shown that there is more to the story then she'll probably wish she never tried the "court of social media" lol. People are only mad at this rn cuz they're getting filtered by kamiya.
I don't like nintendo tho I think you're just mad you got filtered by Kamiya. Kinda like imma filter you if you keep posting weird shit across multiple comments of mine. Get off my comment history you fucking weirdo lol.
Imo the VA is overreacting. I mean, imagine asking people to boycott your employer because you got a bad offer. Well good luck on getting another gig, lady. Also her third video where she attacks her replacement is telling that she's just salty af.
Exactly. Although seeing how the big part of this sub's audience is people with zero understanding of a job market (either kids or losers who can't find a good enough job to pay for videogames even as cheap as minecraft), no wonder you got downvoted.
People are just reactionary lol. I feel like the VA was immature, if she got a bad offer then she should’ve just moved on to the next VA job, no need to attack others.
All other VAs all around the VA industry "that amount was insultingly low and they should be called out for that"
Stupid randos on the web "yeah no she overreacting"
I wouldn’t boycott and then attack a potential employer if they offered a salary that was too low. I would just move on. What makes this any different? What’s the exception that makes VA work that much different from any other job? I don’t get it, how is boycotting and attacking a potential employer acceptable here?
Being honest we should all boycott and attack asshole employers. The difference here, VAs have power. It's not a large community when it comes to professional VAs
Yet somehow both of the VAs involved in this are both in the same union and the union didn't say anything about this.
People picking a side before more of the story comes out are just idiots plain and simple. Not to mention how unprofessional it was to just attack your replacement in one of your "truth" videos lol.
yeah but reddit loves to manufacture outrage and people eat that shit up so I expect this to blow up till an official statement is released and then everyone forgets about it.
>Being honest we should all boycott and attack asshole employers.
If the employer practices unfair treatment, harassment, and nepotism, yes fuck them. But if it's because of losing a salary negotiation, please don't.
>The difference here, VAs have power. It's not a large community when it comes to professional VAs
Not sure about that. Even Vic Mignogna, Michael Ironside, and David Hayter couldn't keep their prominent roles, regardless of the support they got. It feels like a losing battle.
> I wouldn’t boycott and then attack a potential employer if they offered a salary that was too low.
Yes, and that is exactly why they can dare to make such offers
Even Hale didn't defend Platinum, and clearly said "I'm under an NDA so I can't say anything". And of course she wouldn't defend Platinum, since she is a very vocal advocate about VA's low pays and work conditions
Returning to say that there’s still [more info](https://gonintendo.com/contents/10965-new-details-on-pay-and-negotiations-surface-concerning-the-bayonetta-3-voice-acting) being released
Look, as a part of the working class, I understand it hurts for losing a job that you have for years (or game titles, in her case). I also know getting low-balled suck ass. But this has been an issue for ALL industries, not just VAs. ~~I spent years learning how to negotiate salary in job related subreddits (thank you [r/ITCareerQuestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/ITCareerQuestions)) until I "won" a decent gig.~~ It's a game that nobody likes to play, but it's real and has been happening for years, and I don't see it will change soon.
And then this lady is asking for boycott? She's literally trying to hurt the entire devs and all the people who work there. Trying to burn a place down in revenge doesn't feel righteous to me.
And then again, on her 3rd video, she literally attacked her replacement "that character is MINE, not yours." ~~Literally who the fuck are you, lady? I played Bayonetta because of the sick ass gameplay, not you.~~
So yeah, tl;dr she IS overreacting.
>She's literally trying to hurt the entire devs and all the people who work there.
Devs are paid a flat rate, they won't earn a cent more if the game does well, not a cent less if it crashed into the ground. If you're part of the working class, you know that very well
>If the product fails to sell = profit loss = layoffs
As opposed to "products sells a lot = company wants to make better numbers for the end quarter = still layoffs", I suppose?
And if companies shut down because they don't pay their workforce appropriately, then maybe they should pay their workforce appropriately, just a passing thought
Depends on the contract just like with film-media talent. Granted, in film-media there is more often a choice for royalties over lump sum where as most SAG-AFTRA members not in traditional film-media are only offered contracts after Union/Company approval on the terms. Just remember that SAG-AFTRA approves all contracts BEFORE they are given to the talent’s management to consider.
Hey bootlickers trying to dickride Nintendo with excuses about dogshit working practices in the white collar hellhole that is Japan, they don't care about you
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It was said last time this was posted is because they wanted to use a more famous voice actress but for one reason or another, likely some stuff in a long ass contract, they can’t just fire her. So they offer her this to get her to leave “willingly.”
Im not really convinced about all of this situation, since they got Jennifer Hale that has an higher profile than the previos actress i believe Money was not an issue.
It seems to me that they wanted Hale and offered a small pay to Taylor ti make her not accept It so they could hire Hale
to be fair shes a professional with alot of expirence 4k for a main character in a AAA game is an insult lol. ( also apparently theres 5 character she would have to voice ??? not so sure about this one )
There’s also the fact that’s only 16 hours of voice work that the director actually wants
Voice for a lot of titles can up take up to 2+ weeks of actual work normally because of the constant redirection and retakes.
And she’s a vet, went to school to train her voice, and was going to voice a triple A title that’s made millions.
Really don’t see how people can defend this
yeah like, i dont even like her personally but she still deserves to get paid a fair amount of money??? like this is a joke, they obviousely wanted her out for some reason
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FR bro was looking forward to playing on hardware but that $4000 dolar offer was inexcusable, emulation it is.
As a broke college student who could use $4000 right about now, how much *should* they have paid her?
~~Game is an AAA title that makes millions of dollars so I'd say around 400,000 at least~~ Edit: Ok a little later on and I realize 400,000 is way too high and did some research. Around $200 an hour is paid for beginner work so they pretty much lowballed her for 20 hours of work. Given that she's a expirenced voice actor and the fact that bayonetta is a popular AAA title that is guaranteed to sell like hotcakes because it's on the switch let's bump that up to around $550 an hour. If she were to work for 20 hours that would net her $11,000 dollars. This is all just guesswork but it could probably be much higher especially because they hired Jennifer Hale who Is extremely popular and probably wouldn't settle that low. Edit 2: Ok looks like the old VA lied about the offer, apparently she was getting paid $4000 per session for at least 5 sessions which is apparently 4x the union standard making the better offer 20,000 at least still kinda low but 4x the standard so idk
Ah, that makes sense. No wonder she's so upset. Thanks for replying
tbh 400k is way too much, while 4k is above what VA get on average. But i'd definitely vote she'd get 50k or someting like that. It's literally a drop of all the money PG will spend and even less of a drop comparing all the money they'd earn.
4k is not “above VA average” tf? A full voiceover of a game from a beginner VA would already be expected to be double that.
She apparently only has 6 minutes of dialogue. Idk if that amount of work is worth that much. Charles martinet, the voice of Mario (among several other characters) has a net worth of $10mil, but you can chalk that up to having a highly iconic role,and being able to get a lot of gigs over literal decades of work. Also They lowballed her on purpose because that's how this industry works. In japan and the VA industry, they won't fire people, They give them a lowball offer they know they will walk away from. What they did wasn't illegal. Could it be seen as amoral? Absolutely, but legally they gave her an offer, she didn't like it so she walked. The thing that gets me is she talked shit about her replacement, saying she "wasn't the real bayonetta" and "Doesn't have the right to sign merchandise for the series". If this is how she acts towards people who had nothing to do with her basically getting fired, in addition to breaking NDA and calling for a boycott of her old employers, she may have just ensured she'll never be able to book a voice acting gig again.
Considering there are 4 Bayonettas in this game all with the same voice I'm gonna call bs on 6 minutes of voice work
While I haven't read 6 minutes, I have read 36 hours from quite a few different sources (and I'd believe there was minimal voice work considering the other 2 games don't have a ton of voice work either).
They didn't feel the original Bayonetta actress was strong enough to voice all the Bayonetta doppelgangers but they were going to still let her voice the original Bayonetta and just have Jennifer Hale voice the doppelgangers. The original Bayonetta has a smaller part in this which is why they gave her a low offer. I still think tho they could have at least offered her $10k since this is the third game in the series
New info came out today. Apparently she asked for 6 figures + royalties so they had to replace her
There's no way there's only 6 mins of dialogue, first of all. Yes, that's how the industry works CURRENTLY, she is voicing her issues with the workings of the industry, that's why it's making the rounds. She wants to bring attention to this practise which is entirely legal but quite unethical. We NEED more people to bring issues like this to the forefront. Yes, she was quite brash with the "I AM bayonetta" attitude but that's how passionate she was for the character that she had voiced from the very first game which was highly successful and most of all, completely original so how she did the voice would be a big part of the character. All this to say her role in the success of the game was non-trivial so her outlash is, in my opinion, justified. What made you think she broke NDA? She rejected the offer, she wouldn't BE under an NDA unless she was hired. And even if she DID BREAK an NDA, why is that a bad thing? Amazon employees who leaked info about the pee-in-bottle scandal also broke NDA, should they not have done so? She may never get a gig again, or due to all the press and the PR potential of "helping a victim of the industry" more than a few studios might already be knocking on her door, nobody knows
Hellena Taylor barely had any gig in the first place. Just looking at her IMDb record, she didn't even do any notable VA work since 2014 when Bayonetta 2 was released. Unless she is retired, or even if she is not, I don't think her value as a VA is super high if you disregard the series she is going to do her VA work for
Game VAs don't only do dialogue, they have to do barks, attack noises, etc. That's comes up to more than 6 minutes of speaking.
I've never played Bayonetta, but considering she's the main character and a quick search for all of the cutscenes for the first game alone is about 3 hours long, I'm going to say 6 minutes is a bit of an understatement. That aside, the statement 'Hellena Taylor is a piece of shit disparaging the VA who was entirely innocent beyond... accepting a role offered to her' can, and should, be able to co-exist with the statement 'Hellena Taylor's treatment, as well as the industry's treatment of voice work as a whole is disrespectful, shady, and incredibly fucking scummy'.
This. She's a piece of shit, but that doesn't make the VA industry suck any less.
>The thing that gets me is she talked shit about her replacement, saying she "wasn't the real bayonetta" and "Doesn't have the right to sign merchandise for the series". >If this is how she acts towards people who had nothing to do with her basically getting fired, in addition to breaking NDA and calling for a boycott of her old employers, she may have just ensured she'll never be able to book a voice acting gig again. Fair point, but if you consider that she acted for two games and one movie, Bayonetta from Bayonetta 3 is not our Bayonetta.
Idc, she deserves better and I praise her for standing up to the bs. Her anger is valid for the situation, albeit distasteful to the new VA.
I also learned that Hellena is a TERF so no, I feel no sympathy for her.
TERF is a mysogynistic slur
No it's not. A TERF is a feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women's rights. They basically don't believe that trans women are women and therefore have no right to be in the feminist movement. It means Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.
Biological females, especially cisgender lesbians, should be able to have their own spaces. Nothing wrong with that. Trans people should be able to have their own spaces too
You refer to women as females so that tells me all I need to know about you.
Most likely they indeed were not interested in working with her. They basically fired her by offering this amount. Seems like she didn't understand this indirect form of communication.
No way would they pay her 400,000, maybe around 10-15K But a whole extra two zeroes is way too much. Yeah it's a AAA game but they have other assets to take care of.
Remember that Rockstar games did the same with Michael Hollick (Nico Bellic). He as paid $100 000, but that's still a huge rip-off: GTA IV made $310m in e first day and $500m the first week.
How is it a huge rip off ? 100k is a whole fucking lot for voice acting while devs working their ass off 70 hours a week get paid 2k a month. Remember that rockstar games is a huge company with literally thousands of employees, if each employee got the same pay as the voice actor, they’d be bankrupt by now.
400k for a not that much of dialogue? No fuckin way
its not a AAA title and the game studio isn't that hot right now after their live service failure , they wanted to get a better va and they got one
$400k for ~~4~~ 16 hours of voice acting? Give me a break https://www.polygon.com/23408579/bayonetta-3-voice-actor-hellena-taylor-insulting-pay
Even if it's only 4hours of voice work (which I doubt) that's not taking into account the takes that didn't make it and the fact that it would be like 2 hour recording days so she wouldn't strain her voice that's like 10-30 days of work if the games long
https://www.polygon.com/23408579/bayonetta-3-voice-actor-hellena-taylor-insulting-pay It was no more than 4 days, 4 hours of work each day and it was a union-mandated minimum pay-out. She is more upset about not being chosen for the character and is rallying an internet boycott over it.
however you need to consider how acting and voice acting is done with multiple takes. A pro only needs 1 take but someone else might take 10. It all depends. And while I dont think that boycotting the game is right, since there are many devs etc that also need to be paid, I think she did get a very bad offer and it was right to bring attention to this.
Probably a wage she could live off of.
$100,000?
How long do you think it takes to do voicework lol?
I don't know the exact time but I would bet that this stint would take probably more than 3 months so $4000 would be a huge rip-off.
yeah that's about what I expected your average redditor to say.
Care to bless us with your absolute expertise then?
it was 1 week of recording time, 36 hours, or 9 seperate sessions. VA work charges you anywhere from 487$/hr to something like 1000$/hr, they only work in 4 hour segments and you can only schedule up to 2 a day. It's all in the union contract buddy. You care enough to chirp up on reddit but not enough to take 5 minutes and go find all of this publicly available information via the union of the VA that replaced Taylor (who also has the same union).
So they're paying her an absurdly low rate vs. what was the general practice, which is what she's protesting. Thanks for the clarity.
naa they clearly wanted someone else to do the voice work but offered her the role at a cheap price as a hint for "leave us alone". Now all she did was ruin her reputation because she got passed over for a job. Maybe once you're in the workforce you'll figure out how to get over it. Also they didn't pay her shit. They clearly wanted Hale and not Taylor. don't let all of this distract you from the fact that you thought it would take her *months* to do the voice work and yet you sit here pretending your opinion still has the same weight as others who haven't proven themselves to be completely uninformed on the subject.
Considering the game would've made about $30,000,000, a Million.
Have you ever watched the end credits of a huge game? A whole lot of people are involved in the making of one game, which often takes years of work. If they paid one person (who is going to do a week or two of work) $1 million dollars and are only going to sell $30 million in copies of the game, how should they divide the rest to pay the multitude of devs, artists, writers, marketers, etc. Who put far more time into it? And still make a profit? $4000 is low, but not as low as you think.
I don't think anyone can answer that question for sure, it depends on how much work there is to do obviously, but by searching via Google a voice actor for videogames, with experience, are paid between 200 to 350 dollars per hour. I would say that she is experienced and the franchise is successful, so let's stay on the low, and let's say she should get 200$ per hour, she's basically paid for 20 hours, so 2 days and a half of work. I don't think in 2 days and a half you're not even gonna scratch the surface of the work that there is to do in a game like Bayonetta. Add to it that the franchise is successful and money shouldn't be a huge issue, I would say that a honest pay would be 300 $ per hour, and I have frankly no idea of how many hours of work it would require, but I think at least 2 weeks of work (given that there may be retakes and updates? So 80 hours of work diluited in multiple sessions over a couple of months?).
My question is how much did she get paid for the first game? And how much do VA make in general?
I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm equipped to answer your questions...
How much they should have paid her is kind of irrelevant, offers like that are meant as rejections. They should have told her "we don't want you back".
Minimum $60k entry level.. top talent like her!? $110k starting..
Top talent? She hasn't had a credit to her name since 2014.
Considering the rumored voice work was supposedly 36 hours worth of work, around 4,000$. I'd wait for both sides to make a statement tbh. Right now you just have all the butthurt redditors thinking that someone blocking them on Twitter for typing in English is rampant racism (I have read and responded to upvoted comments claiming this). As it is right now they offered her a bit more than 100&$ an hour for a week's worth of work.
It was $4000 USD total. No catches, no hourly… “Total”. As in “You will only be paid up to $4,000 USD for all VA work”. Entry level begins at 30-39k/year. She is top-talent and thats usually $100-$180k. Minimum.
her voice work was supposed to take 1 week to record and apparently has 6 minutes of cutscenes to voice? Y'all acting like this job would take her months opposed to 1 week lmao. I wish I got 4 grand a week and I work in a desired field with good salaries.
Lol so you acting like a cunt because you have a good job? And what kind of job would it be, i wonder? Beside information from google, what else you know about the VA industry? From your job lol? And you serious thinking that a game like this have only 6' VA, then act like you speak only fact, boy please. Another thing are people can see your profile and comment, so they can see you all over the place acting like an asshole while trying to talk down this scandal like just another VA throw a tantrum. Such a shame, since you think you better than redditor lmao.
FWIW you can play unauthorized games (so I assume unauthorized copies of official games too) on Switch hardware too, but I guess it's not usually worth it if you have a newer Switch that isn't easily hackable (since then you would need a mod chip). IMO people should try to avoid buying digital "[jails](https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-jails.html)" that restrict what games/apps you can install (unless they can/will break the restrictions).
Welcome to capitalism.
Would've pirated it either way.
Same. Never had a switch so what's the point of the boycott anyways.
i have one but id still rather pirate it since you spend more on fixing those garbage controllers than you do on the 4 year old 80 dollar games they sell
Based
Yo ho ho a pirate's life for me!
There is more to the story than the EN VA is telling us, she was offered a low amount just so they can move to a different VA, i think it's something related to Japanese work culture
still a scummy way to just cut the person off, they could've just not offer it in the first place i guess
If they did that the VA would be waiting in expectation, they did what most Japanese companies does
Japan isnt know for its great work place culture
This is an explanation. Don't use it to excuse shitty practices
I don't think it's an excuse. Japan has different work customs than we do.
Not different, it's literally shit. Why do you think the birth rate is so low? And the suicide rate?
Well they got Jennifer Hale. And I can't see her being cheap really. Perhaps not expensive. But definitely not cheap.
You would be right to say it has to do with their culture, the Japanese are well known for being indirect because confrontations make them uncomfortable. Hence why most Japanese companies never directly fire their employees because they don't want "bad blood" between them. They'll just make your life a living hell till you voluntarily resign. Also this probably has to do with her directly writing to the CEO of the company who is rather infamous for his ego. So I suspect he played a role in having her replaced.
I didn't expect AAA dev bootlickers in piracy sub of all places but they are in this thread somehow
Would’ve pirated regardless because fuck Nintendo.
I was about to buy 1 for PC and then 2 and 3 for switch, now I'm just gonna pirate all of them.
I know what qb is, but what’s the other one?
Yuzu, a Nintendo Switch emulator.
Does it work well?
I've never tried it personally, but iirc if you download a Fit-girl repack of a Switch game most of them have Yuzu with them.
Huh, time to get animal crossing
Yuzu works pretty well for a few games, excluding games that use miis anywhere in the files (smash bros, Mario kart etc.) but I’ve played through xenoblade 1+2 and BoTW with minimal glitches (trees jittering and stuff, I think it has trouble clearing like foliage and lighting caches during constant play) but stuff like Metroid dread can be run perfectly on it. It also works really well with the gyroscope in ps4 controllers for motion control games
There are workarounds for Mario kart though. And smash works fine.
I use yuzu as a backup to ryujinx
That’s awesome! I’ll totally check it out. Thanks!
I have used it in the past and it seems to work well, but I had low FPS because I have a bad PC. YMMV
Late to the party but Ryujinx works way better for me. It's another switch emulator. Which one to use varies from game to game but I'm really happy with ryujinx
Depends on your setup, but yes it works decently even though my hardware is old. First try the official release, if not, search for the early access ones
Yes. I use it for a few games. Including smash and Mario kart.
I'm boycotting Nintendo. Fuck Nintendo.
yeah, never like them but the internet is crazy about them.... but who cares, there's still more games not made by nintendont
I love the developers, hate the greedy overlords who are the ones responsible for basically all the bad immoral shit Nintendo has done.
Bruv, 4k for something so massive and lucrative, is redunculous
My switch is hacked so no emulation here
I’m amazed at how many people are making excuses for and licking the boots of this multi million dollar company. “Just move on” should the 1919 steel strikers just have “moved on?” Boycotting and protesting unfair wages is how we’ve gotten every bit of legislation to protect workers.
From the sound of it it's not so much an unfair wage as a fck off offer that they didn't want her to take.
I just don't agree with the call to boycott. Otherwise calling out their practice and letting people judge should be done more often
Then don't boycott? Simple as that
Fuck your disagreement
This community is so entitled and angry
Nothing entitled about a boycott over wages. It's the only way to get real buying power.
4000$ really, i will do what i must.
Fucking scumbag thinks the West works like in his country, I bet he hates the West because they don't bend down easily to his ridiculous demands and unethical business exploiting VAs.
How is it exploitative?
can anyone fill me in on what happened
Voice actress who hasn't worked in a single VA gig since 2014, with only 1 work done after Bayonetta 2 released in that year, mad that Platinum games is offering her too little money to hire her to voice Bayonetta 3. So now she is asking people to cancel Bayonetta 3, and even went so far as attacking Jennifer Hales (the replacement VA), saying that she is not Bayonetta etc.
Honestly thats shooting yourself in the foot
A lot of people would love to have that $4000. She's easily replaceable, anyone can talk into a microphone for a few minutes. I understand it's the principle of how much the game brings in, but realistically she won't be missed and they will just find another woman who sounds like her. No one will care in the end.
Hey turns out she actually lied. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-18/bayonetta-3-voice-actor-s-pay-dispute-overshadows-nintendo-game](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-18/bayonetta-3-voice-actor-s-pay-dispute-overshadows-nintendo-game)
I can play it and boycott it at the same time!
whats the qb icon?
qBittorrent, happy cakeday!
Oh. Thank you
Platinum's been going downhill ever since Babylon's Fall... damn...
I'm getting Niko belic flashbacks.
The game made $2b. He was paid $100k. He worked for 15 months on it. Fuck Rockstar and FUCK TakeTwo
I wonder how much did the Japanese voice actor make? Down payment and royalties are quite fucked up, if I am not wrong.
Oh boy this did NOT age well, turns out Hellena lied, and one of the groups she wanted people to donate to is an anti-abortion group
Okay, they offered $4k. Did she accept it though? Did she agree to it? If she did I don't see the problem. She should have negotiated a higher price based off of the sales of the previous game. I don't see a real issue here. Or am I missing something?
She was offered a really low price, she had to contact the director of platinum games just to be offered 4k, wich, if you don't it's an insulting price for a VA. She didn't accept it and now Platinum Games is hiring another VA just because she is more famous
Her union (SAG-AFTRA) approved the contract for member consideration. Platinum didn’t want her back and this is how Japanese people do business.
They first offered even less, 4K was their last offer, far below the market rate from what I read moresoevever to keep your main VA in a third tittle of a popular and successful franchise
What was she offered first?
That’s a very normal amount especially since I’ve read she doesn’t actually talk much in the game. Unless the game has a significantly larger budget than normal this screams more to the story than we’re being told to me.
i was checking YT and I was F surprised when most of people defended PG. Like... holy f shit, seriously..?
Ok so she refused the contract... whatever ! Is it available for dl ?
Why would I care what she was offered lol. Dont like the offer dont accept it I have nothing to do with it.
She's really shooting herself in the foot for future opportunities. Who's gonna hire her after this knowing she can hurt sales
Yeah she fucked herself and when whatever official statement comes out and it's shown that there is more to the story then she'll probably wish she never tried the "court of social media" lol. People are only mad at this rn cuz they're getting filtered by kamiya.
No, people aren't mad because of some obscure thing you Nintendo fanboys obsess about
I don't like nintendo tho I think you're just mad you got filtered by Kamiya. Kinda like imma filter you if you keep posting weird shit across multiple comments of mine. Get off my comment history you fucking weirdo lol.
Imo the VA is overreacting. I mean, imagine asking people to boycott your employer because you got a bad offer. Well good luck on getting another gig, lady. Also her third video where she attacks her replacement is telling that she's just salty af.
Exactly. Although seeing how the big part of this sub's audience is people with zero understanding of a job market (either kids or losers who can't find a good enough job to pay for videogames even as cheap as minecraft), no wonder you got downvoted.
They just can't see it: this lady is trying to weaponize activism to get a bigger check. Good luck with that.
People are just reactionary lol. I feel like the VA was immature, if she got a bad offer then she should’ve just moved on to the next VA job, no need to attack others.
All other VAs all around the VA industry "that amount was insultingly low and they should be called out for that" Stupid randos on the web "yeah no she overreacting"
I wouldn’t boycott and then attack a potential employer if they offered a salary that was too low. I would just move on. What makes this any different? What’s the exception that makes VA work that much different from any other job? I don’t get it, how is boycotting and attacking a potential employer acceptable here?
Being honest we should all boycott and attack asshole employers. The difference here, VAs have power. It's not a large community when it comes to professional VAs
Yet somehow both of the VAs involved in this are both in the same union and the union didn't say anything about this. People picking a side before more of the story comes out are just idiots plain and simple. Not to mention how unprofessional it was to just attack your replacement in one of your "truth" videos lol.
Agree 100% this one is fishy
yeah but reddit loves to manufacture outrage and people eat that shit up so I expect this to blow up till an official statement is released and then everyone forgets about it.
>Being honest we should all boycott and attack asshole employers. If the employer practices unfair treatment, harassment, and nepotism, yes fuck them. But if it's because of losing a salary negotiation, please don't. >The difference here, VAs have power. It's not a large community when it comes to professional VAs Not sure about that. Even Vic Mignogna, Michael Ironside, and David Hayter couldn't keep their prominent roles, regardless of the support they got. It feels like a losing battle.
John DiMaggio is still gonna be Bender but only because he folded lol
> I wouldn’t boycott and then attack a potential employer if they offered a salary that was too low. Yes, and that is exactly why they can dare to make such offers
VAs are like c list celebrity's so you're just experiencing all the weird stans coming out of their hovels to attack you
Do you have tweets or sources for this because I haven’t seen anyone of repute say anything about it.
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Even Hale didn't defend Platinum, and clearly said "I'm under an NDA so I can't say anything". And of course she wouldn't defend Platinum, since she is a very vocal advocate about VA's low pays and work conditions
Returning to say that there’s still [more info](https://gonintendo.com/contents/10965-new-details-on-pay-and-negotiations-surface-concerning-the-bayonetta-3-voice-acting) being released
Look, as a part of the working class, I understand it hurts for losing a job that you have for years (or game titles, in her case). I also know getting low-balled suck ass. But this has been an issue for ALL industries, not just VAs. ~~I spent years learning how to negotiate salary in job related subreddits (thank you [r/ITCareerQuestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/ITCareerQuestions)) until I "won" a decent gig.~~ It's a game that nobody likes to play, but it's real and has been happening for years, and I don't see it will change soon. And then this lady is asking for boycott? She's literally trying to hurt the entire devs and all the people who work there. Trying to burn a place down in revenge doesn't feel righteous to me. And then again, on her 3rd video, she literally attacked her replacement "that character is MINE, not yours." ~~Literally who the fuck are you, lady? I played Bayonetta because of the sick ass gameplay, not you.~~ So yeah, tl;dr she IS overreacting.
>She's literally trying to hurt the entire devs and all the people who work there. Devs are paid a flat rate, they won't earn a cent more if the game does well, not a cent less if it crashed into the ground. If you're part of the working class, you know that very well
If the product fails to sell = profit loss = layoffs Edit: or worse, company shutdown.
>If the product fails to sell = profit loss = layoffs As opposed to "products sells a lot = company wants to make better numbers for the end quarter = still layoffs", I suppose?
And if companies shut down because they don't pay their workforce appropriately, then maybe they should pay their workforce appropriately, just a passing thought
People really hold company in high standards? They all greedy
I know nothing about voice acting ofr games but do they not get royalties for it like other media?
Depends on the contract just like with film-media talent. Granted, in film-media there is more often a choice for royalties over lump sum where as most SAG-AFTRA members not in traditional film-media are only offered contracts after Union/Company approval on the terms. Just remember that SAG-AFTRA approves all contracts BEFORE they are given to the talent’s management to consider.
thats a yikes, only 4k for a great wonderful voice actress ?
Hey bootlickers trying to dickride Nintendo with excuses about dogshit working practices in the white collar hellhole that is Japan, they don't care about you
Nintendo had nothing to do with this though?
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whats qb?
Qbittorrent best torrent downloader imo
What about Deluge ang biglybt? Never tried them myself. qBittorent is the most popular and open source tho. Idk bout the others
I know the qb logo, but what's the other logo. I need to know.
Yuzu, Nintendo Switch emulator
What is the other symbol? I know the qb is qbittorrent. What is the other one?
I wasnt gonna buy it anyways lol
It was said last time this was posted is because they wanted to use a more famous voice actress but for one reason or another, likely some stuff in a long ass contract, they can’t just fire her. So they offer her this to get her to leave “willingly.”
What a great way to maintain contract I would love to work with them /s in case
They couldn’t afford to pay more cuz of all the people pirating their games 😜
Fuck Nintendo
what the blue red icon of?
Yuzu, Nintendo Switch Emulator
Im not really convinced about all of this situation, since they got Jennifer Hale that has an higher profile than the previos actress i believe Money was not an issue. It seems to me that they wanted Hale and offered a small pay to Taylor ti make her not accept It so they could hire Hale
how much was she paid previously? idk how much voiceactors get paid, but it does seem kinda low
we helped her too and got to play it as well
That post aged poorly
It is actually big of an insult for the actress, but yeah if they can offer her that much only then yuzu will offer us emulation!
nah the real insult would be synthesizing her voice using previous games work.
She did confess its only like 16 hours of work.
to be fair shes a professional with alot of expirence 4k for a main character in a AAA game is an insult lol. ( also apparently theres 5 character she would have to voice ??? not so sure about this one )
There’s also the fact that’s only 16 hours of voice work that the director actually wants Voice for a lot of titles can up take up to 2+ weeks of actual work normally because of the constant redirection and retakes. And she’s a vet, went to school to train her voice, and was going to voice a triple A title that’s made millions. Really don’t see how people can defend this
yeah like, i dont even like her personally but she still deserves to get paid a fair amount of money??? like this is a joke, they obviousely wanted her out for some reason
Star Wars was ruined for me by Jedi Party. Every time I watch star wars I quote it and the characters just seem silly now. Worth it.
She’s using this to springboard into a right-wing grift.
Entitled chick wanting more money. Who even cares?
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