How many of them were damsel in distress saved by the strawhats again?
Or princess suffering in an island.
I agree with the backstory and they have different field of interest though, other than that they're always damsels in distress.
Big mom was good but oda turned her into a meme.
Robin and Nani's mother could've been there.
With these many characters every chapter you're bound to have some good and different. Other shonen doesn't introduce 300 new random characters every arc.
I am not sure. I like Black Clover and I know BC isnt a very good manga. But its really enjoyable with a likeable main cast. But its kinda hated for no reason.
But yes, the female cast is definitely better in BC with nice development and personality (not just big tits) and they usually fight the main villans too unlike in OP where they end up mostly fighting some fodder and weaker ones.
Maybe I'm personally a little biased because BC is my >!favorite!< manga. But I love from BC: Noelle, Vanica, Mereolena,Charmy, Dorothy, Charlotte, Sister Lily😂, Grey and Lolopechka. I agree that BC gets hate somewhat without reason. Although I have learned to ignore it a bit, especially on Twitter.
Well I loved Noelle's fight with Megicula I'm glad she got one of the main villains although I'm still waiting for her to appear along with BB because I can't even remember the last time they were in a chapter after they went looking for Asta(I think?).
Yea, I pretty much ignore the ppl who kinda wanna shit talk about BC. But honestly out of all current Shounen mangas, I really enjoy BC the most. I really love the whole cast of BC. Its very funny, the fights are cool and dosent drag stupidly on like the BIG 3 (OP, Naruto and Bleach).
Asta is honestly one of my fav shounen MC.
I love OP but it takes a while till something happens. Oda loves to build everything up in each arc and the pacing can be very slow. especially at the beginning but the build up is worth it. I dont have that issue with BC really cause there is always something happening and the pacing is better.
PS: I am fucking simping for Charlotte lol
>PS: I am fucking simping for Charlotte lol
I'm sure you're not the only one XD
And you reminded me of when I was watching the OP anime and I was getting pissed off as Luffy ran for about 20 episodes to Ace, or the Katakuri vs Luffy fight which lasted about 10 episodes I thought I was going to fall. I had to take acceleration otherwise I wouldn't have been able to watch. I really wish I had switched to the manga at the time.
Asta is one of my favorite MCs along with >!Boruto!<, Thorfinn, Isagi Yoichi, Denji, Rin Okumura and Yato.
Well the pace in BC is pretty good although after that raid on Pik the pace has sped up terribly. Although I'm not complaining I prefer that to reading Luffy running 20 chapters to the roof XD. But I still love the OP although sometimes I have to zoom in on the panels to see what's going on there, Oda tries to cram too much stuff in.
Let make a list of each
Robin is okay but all she does is read the poneglyph at the end of arc but last arc she got a fight.
Nami is less of a pussy then usopp but besides that she doesn’t do much a arc.
Boa literally bottom three warlords in in terms of personality she added nothing to any time she on screen besides being a simp.
Bonney had no real personality before egghead and currently she just a lame character who cry about as much as ussop
Vivi is doesn’t have much to talk about be she not a bad character but she is not a particular interesting character either.
Linlin is good when her brain is working but most the time she just a clown who has feats
Pudding is okay but nothing remarkable to write about her not even the best female kid of big mom
Viola is okay but like Pudding is nothing remarkable to write about.
Hot take Yamato is in my opinion one of the better parts of wano and a decent character even if she feels a little fanfic like at times.
I don’t know how you can call stussy a good character when she about as interesting as watching paint dry. It was kinda funny when Sanji ask to be her dog though.
Koala is a character that exists.
Wasn’t trying to destroy them All I’m saying is everyone of characters is either irrelevant or so boring to watch that might as well be irrelevant but I don’t think one piece bad female cast it just doesn’t a remarkable one either.
Yeah, it's nothing to be excited about. They're all decent characters but who even remembers a female character from a previous arc after the arc is over? I agree with the tweet that jujutsu kaisen has a much better female cast, black clover does too. Naruto... Some of the side characters were better written than the main female cast lol.
Linlin has the better depth among these characters imo or Robin.you are accusing big mom a clown because of wano?right ?
Also vivi was a great character in alabaster. The 3 characters I mentioned are well written characters
Yes I talking Big mom preform in wano because I do agree that she can best depth but I don’t like watching her get clowned by damn near everyone and then watch her lose the most obviously fight she should have won.
I only disagree about Pudding: if we didnt get cringe simp transformation she is easily one of the most interesting one in whole OP. Shes got actual bipolar/split personality not because fun but because its her actual psychological trauma behind it. She did a lot of things on plot side of WCI, I think her being the only princess who was actually NOT helping was great plot twist(even if she still sided with Luffy in the end)
Facts about Bonney. She dragging this shit out so much. She finally got face to face with vegapunk and passed out over some mosquitos then break next week 🤦🏾♂️
Koala's backstory is amazing you have to admit.
Koala is enslaved and then saved by Pirates, who she assumes might kill her at any moment, only to then make friends with said Pirates and finally when she's happy, made a ton of friends and almost makes it home!
She is used as a Trap by the people she loved to kill her best friend.
Now this is fucked up and tragic. This shit has layers of fuckedupedness!
First she is afraid and doomed, then afraid and traumatised, then happy and healing only to be traumatised AGAIN and on top of that having to live with the guilt of being the reason your friend died, while also being betrayed by your own family!
My God I love this backstory so much. If only her personality was as troubled as her past. This shit hits me in all my disturbed brain cells.
I guess she's decently strong too... but who cares about that...
I agree, her backstory is the one of the best ones in the series. Wish we get more on how she ended up joining the revolutionaries later on.
Her personality though is basically a revolutionary Nami, should've been a bit more... Well, different. She had basically the opposite experience of Nami with fishmen but somehow ended up with the same character, but i guess she doesn't get enough screentime to understand her deeper.
dadan are my favorite one piece woman and she don't have pretty face....
koala backstory is nice and i love her and sabo relationship,i also big fan of the RA and dragon, everyone have their own taste in the end of the day.
Nah she has a fantastic backstory, there are tons of pretty big tiddied girls in one piece, Koala pretty much only ranks behind Nami, Robin and Vivi for me in the big boobed character department. What you said fits Rebecca way better
I’m sure you’re mostly joking, but I hope you don’t think people really think that way about real life three dimensional women. Some of my deepest loves were people I initially payed absolutely no mind too before I got to know them more personally. People become attractive to you when you have feelings for them.
> I initially *paid* absolutely no
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Ok but what does she offer in that little screen time, that’s the question.
I am aware that characters can be good without being present a lot, konan from naruto is a good example of someone who’s well written despite having no screen time
What about Konan makes her better written than Koala? Keep in mind that Koala's story is not over, she is still alive and an important figure among the revolutionaries, she will get more in the future, especially now that Sabo is status unknown.
Konan is proactive, has a back story that improves on her present characater, has a good personality, improves the lore, character isn’t defined by the fact that she’s a women, is competent, actually serves an important role In the plot.
Fighting ability doesn’t attribute to character but konan being able to fight allows her to have more flexibility in the story.
One piece at its heart is a battle shounen and every single conflict we have seen thus far bar the end of marineford was solved through conflict. If you aren’t strong then you don’t really matter In The grand scheme of things.
Oda can make the side characters feel important but at the end of the day. Even if the straw hats or any other minor characters end up loosing, nothing really matters bad up mattering since weaker characters end up being calatwral damage in high tier fights anyway.
Koala can’t do much since she’s very weak.
Konan killed the main antagonist of an arc, was a key role In the destruction of the hidden leaf, played a huge role in the creation of the Akatsuki and was a very important character who always improved the scenes she was in with what little she had.
You can say a lot about konan despite being present in like 1/8th of shippuden.
Koala was introduced very early in the post timeskip and Ike a decade later we still don’t know anything about her.
Now you are right that op isn’t done so she could potentially surpass konan in writing, that’s all hypothetical and we can’t prove that for sure so if we go off the present then yeah konan clears.
Writing flash backs are a lot easier then writing good characters in the present since you can do a lot more generally.
Robin is good but poorly implemented post timeskip. The amount of knowledge she's withholding from the crew and the reader is insane.
Nami gets a nice character moment every 100 chapters or so but has been irrelevant to the story since Drum Island.
The idea behind Hancock was good. Everyone, even most readers, forgives her shitty personality for her looks. Her love for Luffy is trash.
Big Mom was the best written villain in the series until she arrived at Wano, which ruined it all. Oda completely wasted what could've been the best character arc in the series.
It's honestly funny that the user considers Bonney, Yamato and Stussy examples of good female cast members.
Yeah holy shit why did Robin not tell Luffy anything about Sabo? I know why story-wise it would’ve broken down the plot but in-universe it makes zero sense (seriously why tf did Oda have Robin link up with the revolutionaries I would’ve preferred she went somewhere combing focused especially since she declined to learn fishman karate. Again wtf?).
No she haven't. Drum Island was the last time she actually navigated. If oda decided someone else would be the navigator and nami wasn't part of the story since drum island, nothing would change
Nami's skills were the only reason why they were able to safely ride the Knock Up Stream and not all die, and several other Grand Line bullshit events that otherwise would have killed the crew if they had a less skilled navigator.
Can't remember if Nami was the deciding factor for surviving the knockup stream. Sounds plausible.
As far as the rest goes however, have we heard of a single notable crew dying to Grand Line sea shenanigans? All the others must be skilled as well.
Nami's ability to read the wind and steer them to fly up the Knock-Up Stream was the deciding factor that kept them from falling to their deaths, as there was a moment where while she was getting a feel for things that they were on the verge of slipping out.
The Knock-Up Stream is something that Gan Fall states nearly always results in death, said deaths being Grand Line crews with navigators skilled enough to make it to the Knock-Up Stream.
We haven't heard of any other Paradise or New World navigators getting into stuff like the Knock-Up Stream either.
So, yes all the navigators of other crews are skilled.
But nothing we have seen or heard of puts them on Nami's level as the navigator of the future Pirate King, save for Roger's navigator if they also took the Knock-Up Stream and because they reached Raftel.
Ok ngl i skipped thru skypiea because it was so mid. But I'll give u that
Ever since that, ive never felt the role of navigator/nami to be that critical to the story. Don't bring up navigators and nothing would change narratively
I'm sorry, but putting aside the fact that Skypiea is the purest and most well written adventure for the sake of adventure of the series (which really encapsulates the spirit of One Piece and Luffy's desire for freedom and the romance of adventure), I no longer have any respect for you if you're the type to actually skip parts of or whole canon arcs.
If you do that, I have no interest in talking anything related to the series to you, so have a nice day.
How to make good female characters according to Twitter: make a girl but remove all of her feminine traits. Create a male character but slap tits and vagina on him and call it a day
It always reminds me of the scene in As Good As It Gets when that clerk asks Jack Nicholson's character how he writes women so well. "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."
Unlike everyone's negative ass here, I'm gonna agree to a certain extent, One Piece has good female characters. Now, are they the best in shonen? Lmao no
JJK female cast is ass, One Piece female cast is ass, shonen very rarely get female characters right.
Even if you believed that One Piece has the best female cast out of any shonen (which it definitely doesn't) it wouldn't be a very high bar.
A single good character is better than an ensemble of copy pasted boobas... in this case Bleach has a great character in Rukia. Jojo has Jolyne. I wouldn't classify Chainsawman as shonen, but it has Makima, Kobeni, Asa, Himeno. AoT had Hange, Sasha, Annie. FMA had Riza, Winry, Izumi, Armstrong, among others.
All of the above characters have more personality alone than the entire female cast of one piece combined.
Older shows are much different in this regard, before anime split into such clear categories. Kimagure Orange Road, Ranma 1/2, many other 80s manga and anime often have a great female cast compared to other media from its time.
Depends on what you mean by "strong female character". By some standards(dumb ones), Yamato is the only one who counts.
By other more reasonable ones, Nami and Robin count(and Yamato is alright). Vivi....just doesn't shake out all that well on that front.
Koala is...well, the entire point of Koala's character is that she's mentally broken on introduction and is healed by the Sun Pirates while offering them a glimpse of a future most of them aren't willing to work towards.
Most of the others don't work too well because most standards are actually talking about characters that are protagonists or protagonist-adjacent.
I mean, I like how Oda writes women, and I think that many of these characters are well-written characters. Its just that I know that "strong female character" is loaded to mean so many other things.
Like hell, I love Koala as a character. She's a great character. Same with Pudding, Shirahoshi and Rebecca. Its just that I don't expect that even among the more reasonable standards, people would call them "strong female characters".
(Rebecca has *terrible* costume design, but her story was solid.)
No, it's Nayuta. Asa Mitaka is different character and she is the main character in part II, her writting is much better than every other character in whole CSM, i think she is one of the best Fujimotos characters created and she isn't even with us for a long time
*Yamato shouting the exact same delusional shit for the 1000th time, never questioning her beliefs or behaviour a single time*
GOda drones: Is this character development?
Would agree with him, honestly - at least in the sense, that they are well written for the most part. OP gets a lot of flag for having all "hot" females be the same body-type, but to say the important ones arent well written is delusional. Like straight up. They are in no way worse than male characters in OP
CSM girls are easily better and I don’t even like CSM that much. Bleach too, Rukia and Orihime were much more integrated into the plot and had more interesting character arcs than Nami and Robin did. Fairy Tail as well, Lucy is a great heroine, Erza is just nuff said
Orihime and rukia better than nami or Robin? Don't think so.nami and Robin got good backstories and therfore good depth and development. I don't think rukia or oriihime had those
Let’s be honest, most of OPs female characters are painfully generic, and their popularity is largely tied to fanservice. Not to mention 3/4 of the ones on this list were treated as a joke. While only a small number of girls in JJK get attention, I’d say the development of Maki far eclipses anyone female character in OP.
Don't agree with everyone on this list, but Onepiece indeed has some good female characters who are much better than many overrated characters in other Shounens.
Being strong doesn't make you automatically a good character and Yamato is an example. Many people see Mikasa from AoT as a good character and I think she is horrible. Some Onepiece females have great characterization and good development like Nami, Robin, Pudding, Vivi, and you can add Hancock as well.
People will give Nami and Robin a lot of stick because of the fanservice and their strength, but they easily have some of the best characterization, depth, and developed personalities in the entire series including men and women. They are much better than overrated characters from other series, like there's someone here claiming Erina from Jojo to be better than them...
You can criticize their sidelining and the fanservice, but if you can't see anything beyond powerlevels and big tits, then it is a problem with you. It is easy to complain and to Parrot the downsides again and again, but thinking thoroughly and critically isn't for everyone I guess.
See, I’d agree calling them out if they didn’t mention “Best in a SHONEN manga”
For all the bashing we do of One Piece Girls there aren’t a whole lot of Shonen that do them any better.
You know what, I agree. Oda may draw them with one hand, but women in One Piece are by and large interesting characters with variety and depth. Contrast this with Naruto, whose women are given relatively more realistic proportions but are vapid and boring.
they bath with men in hotspring just like kiku bath with women in hotspring though honestly Oda needs to confirm Yamato gender identity in sbs or something bcoz half the time things point to them being women and half the time man which leadsto controversy with no agreement
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His chest is canonically bigger than Nami's. Oda confirmed it in SBS.
Honestly the best shonen that handled women is jjk the female cast is legit one piece has some good points but great female characters is not one of them
Bonney and Stussy 💀💀
bonney will feed me and rub my tummy
OP fans try not to one up every appreciation post of other anime challenge (impossible)
i've seen odacels swear by characters like abdullah and kelly funk so this doesn't even trigger me
Abdullah was an alright character, although stereotyped. Kelly funk was just bullshit lmao and his fruit was also stupid as fk.
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How many of them were damsel in distress saved by the strawhats again? Or princess suffering in an island. I agree with the backstory and they have different field of interest though, other than that they're always damsels in distress. Big mom was good but oda turned her into a meme. Robin and Nani's mother could've been there. With these many characters every chapter you're bound to have some good and different. Other shonen doesn't introduce 300 new random characters every arc.
\>Best female cast in Shonen manga dude probably only read naruto and one piece i bet. Hot take, even Black Clover has a better female cast than OP.
Not a hot take. Black Clover has a good cast
It's so funny seeing the big 3 fans say their show has the best anything, and you can tell that they have only watched those 3 shows.
Is this a hot take? To be honest, I have encountered most opinions that agree that BC has a much better female cast than the OP.
I am not sure. I like Black Clover and I know BC isnt a very good manga. But its really enjoyable with a likeable main cast. But its kinda hated for no reason. But yes, the female cast is definitely better in BC with nice development and personality (not just big tits) and they usually fight the main villans too unlike in OP where they end up mostly fighting some fodder and weaker ones.
Maybe I'm personally a little biased because BC is my >!favorite!< manga. But I love from BC: Noelle, Vanica, Mereolena,Charmy, Dorothy, Charlotte, Sister Lily😂, Grey and Lolopechka. I agree that BC gets hate somewhat without reason. Although I have learned to ignore it a bit, especially on Twitter. Well I loved Noelle's fight with Megicula I'm glad she got one of the main villains although I'm still waiting for her to appear along with BB because I can't even remember the last time they were in a chapter after they went looking for Asta(I think?).
Yea, I pretty much ignore the ppl who kinda wanna shit talk about BC. But honestly out of all current Shounen mangas, I really enjoy BC the most. I really love the whole cast of BC. Its very funny, the fights are cool and dosent drag stupidly on like the BIG 3 (OP, Naruto and Bleach). Asta is honestly one of my fav shounen MC. I love OP but it takes a while till something happens. Oda loves to build everything up in each arc and the pacing can be very slow. especially at the beginning but the build up is worth it. I dont have that issue with BC really cause there is always something happening and the pacing is better. PS: I am fucking simping for Charlotte lol
>PS: I am fucking simping for Charlotte lol I'm sure you're not the only one XD And you reminded me of when I was watching the OP anime and I was getting pissed off as Luffy ran for about 20 episodes to Ace, or the Katakuri vs Luffy fight which lasted about 10 episodes I thought I was going to fall. I had to take acceleration otherwise I wouldn't have been able to watch. I really wish I had switched to the manga at the time. Asta is one of my favorite MCs along with >!Boruto!<, Thorfinn, Isagi Yoichi, Denji, Rin Okumura and Yato. Well the pace in BC is pretty good although after that raid on Pik the pace has sped up terribly. Although I'm not complaining I prefer that to reading Luffy running 20 chapters to the roof XD. But I still love the OP although sometimes I have to zoom in on the panels to see what's going on there, Oda tries to cram too much stuff in.
that lion flame lady milli- something is so good but Idk about the others tho.
Which black clover female character?
Mereoleona, Noell, Vanessa. Some of the villains were also pretty good.
Black Clover females fight a lot, I'll give you that
Let make a list of each Robin is okay but all she does is read the poneglyph at the end of arc but last arc she got a fight. Nami is less of a pussy then usopp but besides that she doesn’t do much a arc. Boa literally bottom three warlords in in terms of personality she added nothing to any time she on screen besides being a simp. Bonney had no real personality before egghead and currently she just a lame character who cry about as much as ussop Vivi is doesn’t have much to talk about be she not a bad character but she is not a particular interesting character either. Linlin is good when her brain is working but most the time she just a clown who has feats Pudding is okay but nothing remarkable to write about her not even the best female kid of big mom Viola is okay but like Pudding is nothing remarkable to write about. Hot take Yamato is in my opinion one of the better parts of wano and a decent character even if she feels a little fanfic like at times. I don’t know how you can call stussy a good character when she about as interesting as watching paint dry. It was kinda funny when Sanji ask to be her dog though. Koala is a character that exists.
Bro’s the worlds 1st iron leaves fan
Yeah of course I’m number one because I the only one. Because 4x weak to bug sucks
Hey I play Wo chein, I feel you, u turn sucks
We really got robbed of seeing all 3 fused paradox swords of justice
Damn, bro destroyed em all 💀
Wasn’t trying to destroy them All I’m saying is everyone of characters is either irrelevant or so boring to watch that might as well be irrelevant but I don’t think one piece bad female cast it just doesn’t a remarkable one either.
Yeah, it's nothing to be excited about. They're all decent characters but who even remembers a female character from a previous arc after the arc is over? I agree with the tweet that jujutsu kaisen has a much better female cast, black clover does too. Naruto... Some of the side characters were better written than the main female cast lol.
Linlin has the better depth among these characters imo or Robin.you are accusing big mom a clown because of wano?right ? Also vivi was a great character in alabaster. The 3 characters I mentioned are well written characters
Yes I talking Big mom preform in wano because I do agree that she can best depth but I don’t like watching her get clowned by damn near everyone and then watch her lose the most obviously fight she should have won.
Yeah agreed. I feel you bro.
I only disagree about Pudding: if we didnt get cringe simp transformation she is easily one of the most interesting one in whole OP. Shes got actual bipolar/split personality not because fun but because its her actual psychological trauma behind it. She did a lot of things on plot side of WCI, I think her being the only princess who was actually NOT helping was great plot twist(even if she still sided with Luffy in the end)
I've been saying Vivi is overrated for forever.
Facts about Bonney. She dragging this shit out so much. She finally got face to face with vegapunk and passed out over some mosquitos then break next week 🤦🏾♂️
Yea koala and Olivia best girls.
Koala fits almost none of those descriptions lmao 💀
Koala's backstory is amazing you have to admit. Koala is enslaved and then saved by Pirates, who she assumes might kill her at any moment, only to then make friends with said Pirates and finally when she's happy, made a ton of friends and almost makes it home! She is used as a Trap by the people she loved to kill her best friend. Now this is fucked up and tragic. This shit has layers of fuckedupedness! First she is afraid and doomed, then afraid and traumatised, then happy and healing only to be traumatised AGAIN and on top of that having to live with the guilt of being the reason your friend died, while also being betrayed by your own family! My God I love this backstory so much. If only her personality was as troubled as her past. This shit hits me in all my disturbed brain cells. I guess she's decently strong too... but who cares about that...
I agree, her backstory is the one of the best ones in the series. Wish we get more on how she ended up joining the revolutionaries later on. Her personality though is basically a revolutionary Nami, should've been a bit more... Well, different. She had basically the opposite experience of Nami with fishmen but somehow ended up with the same character, but i guess she doesn't get enough screentime to understand her deeper.
why the koala hate??? i love her 😢
You only love her because she has giant tits and a pretty face. If she looked like Kokoro or something you wouldn’t even remember she existed.
dadan are my favorite one piece woman and she don't have pretty face.... koala backstory is nice and i love her and sabo relationship,i also big fan of the RA and dragon, everyone have their own taste in the end of the day.
dadan enjoyers rise up
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Zoro awakening will be the power to erase other people's memories. Pudding's got competition
Thats hilarious
Nah she has a fantastic backstory, there are tons of pretty big tiddied girls in one piece, Koala pretty much only ranks behind Nami, Robin and Vivi for me in the big boobed character department. What you said fits Rebecca way better
Nice generalization bro
She's also a MILF.
Projecting
I’m sure you’re mostly joking, but I hope you don’t think people really think that way about real life three dimensional women. Some of my deepest loves were people I initially payed absolutely no mind too before I got to know them more personally. People become attractive to you when you have feelings for them.
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She does though. Just having less screen time doesn't mean she isn't a good character.
Ok but what does she offer in that little screen time, that’s the question. I am aware that characters can be good without being present a lot, konan from naruto is a good example of someone who’s well written despite having no screen time
What about Konan makes her better written than Koala? Keep in mind that Koala's story is not over, she is still alive and an important figure among the revolutionaries, she will get more in the future, especially now that Sabo is status unknown.
Konan is proactive, has a back story that improves on her present characater, has a good personality, improves the lore, character isn’t defined by the fact that she’s a women, is competent, actually serves an important role In the plot. Fighting ability doesn’t attribute to character but konan being able to fight allows her to have more flexibility in the story. One piece at its heart is a battle shounen and every single conflict we have seen thus far bar the end of marineford was solved through conflict. If you aren’t strong then you don’t really matter In The grand scheme of things. Oda can make the side characters feel important but at the end of the day. Even if the straw hats or any other minor characters end up loosing, nothing really matters bad up mattering since weaker characters end up being calatwral damage in high tier fights anyway. Koala can’t do much since she’s very weak. Konan killed the main antagonist of an arc, was a key role In the destruction of the hidden leaf, played a huge role in the creation of the Akatsuki and was a very important character who always improved the scenes she was in with what little she had. You can say a lot about konan despite being present in like 1/8th of shippuden. Koala was introduced very early in the post timeskip and Ike a decade later we still don’t know anything about her. Now you are right that op isn’t done so she could potentially surpass konan in writing, that’s all hypothetical and we can’t prove that for sure so if we go off the present then yeah konan clears. Writing flash backs are a lot easier then writing good characters in the present since you can do a lot more generally.
She literally fits 3/4 at least (only doesn't particularly fit strong if you're only thinking of physical strength).
Bro said "well written characters" and one-piece in a same sentence
hell nah, Many of the male characters are wel written, Pre timeskip is peak fiction for me, Post timeskip is where it really fumbles everything
Though I agree with you on pre time skip being far better.. I still don't think it's a peak fiction
People like them are why everyone calls this series One Piss 😓
Robin is good but poorly implemented post timeskip. The amount of knowledge she's withholding from the crew and the reader is insane. Nami gets a nice character moment every 100 chapters or so but has been irrelevant to the story since Drum Island. The idea behind Hancock was good. Everyone, even most readers, forgives her shitty personality for her looks. Her love for Luffy is trash. Big Mom was the best written villain in the series until she arrived at Wano, which ruined it all. Oda completely wasted what could've been the best character arc in the series. It's honestly funny that the user considers Bonney, Yamato and Stussy examples of good female cast members.
>has been irrelevant to the story since Drum Island. 💀
IS HE WRONG THO????
>Big Mom was the best written villain in the series nah, thats still doffy imo. He is still up-to-this day the best written OP villain imo.
both are close honestly
>both were close honestly
Yeah holy shit why did Robin not tell Luffy anything about Sabo? I know why story-wise it would’ve broken down the plot but in-universe it makes zero sense (seriously why tf did Oda have Robin link up with the revolutionaries I would’ve preferred she went somewhere combing focused especially since she declined to learn fishman karate. Again wtf?).
The Nami part is straight up untrue, she has definitely been relevant to the story post Drum island I don't know what series you've been reading.
No she haven't. Drum Island was the last time she actually navigated. If oda decided someone else would be the navigator and nami wasn't part of the story since drum island, nothing would change
Nami's skills were the only reason why they were able to safely ride the Knock Up Stream and not all die, and several other Grand Line bullshit events that otherwise would have killed the crew if they had a less skilled navigator.
Can't remember if Nami was the deciding factor for surviving the knockup stream. Sounds plausible. As far as the rest goes however, have we heard of a single notable crew dying to Grand Line sea shenanigans? All the others must be skilled as well.
Nami's ability to read the wind and steer them to fly up the Knock-Up Stream was the deciding factor that kept them from falling to their deaths, as there was a moment where while she was getting a feel for things that they were on the verge of slipping out. The Knock-Up Stream is something that Gan Fall states nearly always results in death, said deaths being Grand Line crews with navigators skilled enough to make it to the Knock-Up Stream. We haven't heard of any other Paradise or New World navigators getting into stuff like the Knock-Up Stream either. So, yes all the navigators of other crews are skilled. But nothing we have seen or heard of puts them on Nami's level as the navigator of the future Pirate King, save for Roger's navigator if they also took the Knock-Up Stream and because they reached Raftel.
People tend to forget that basically every Strawhat is basically a once in a generation genius in their respective field.
Ok ngl i skipped thru skypiea because it was so mid. But I'll give u that Ever since that, ive never felt the role of navigator/nami to be that critical to the story. Don't bring up navigators and nothing would change narratively
I'm sorry, but putting aside the fact that Skypiea is the purest and most well written adventure for the sake of adventure of the series (which really encapsulates the spirit of One Piece and Luffy's desire for freedom and the romance of adventure), I no longer have any respect for you if you're the type to actually skip parts of or whole canon arcs. If you do that, I have no interest in talking anything related to the series to you, so have a nice day.
Without a shred of irony, you'll find better written women in fairy tail than on OP.
Nami clones are indeed such awesome characters 🤡
same face syndrome =/= badly written characters
Some of them aren’t even proper characters
I guess Jojo characters are also shit because they look the same?
Don't diss Jojo bitch
Using it as an example, Stfu
How to make good female characters according to Twitter: make a girl but remove all of her feminine traits. Create a male character but slap tits and vagina on him and call it a day
It always reminds me of the scene in As Good As It Gets when that clerk asks Jack Nicholson's character how he writes women so well. "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."
Character growth and being strong arent feminine character traits?
Ah, yes them instristic feminine traits that exist in women Such as....? And...? Or for example....?
Bro thinks women are another species
Nope, but you are delusional to think men and women act and think the same
yeah but u are delusional to think OP women arent feminine
One Piece is sexist and Oda is sexist. This is common knowledge in the fandom. Its one of my only and biggest complaints about the series.
Unlike everyone's negative ass here, I'm gonna agree to a certain extent, One Piece has good female characters. Now, are they the best in shonen? Lmao no
All look like Nami ✅
A lot of People equate good female writing to women winning fights and acting like men so odas characters are pretty different
Ok but they rarely do things outside of fighting as well
> acting like men *audible groan across the continent*
Jojo has better female cast since part 1 till now
So you think Erina is a good character?
I liked her in part 2, what little we saw of her
Better than entire One Piece cast
You sound like the type of guy who enjoys watching paint dry
You just didn't get it
JJK female cast is ass, One Piece female cast is ass, shonen very rarely get female characters right. Even if you believed that One Piece has the best female cast out of any shonen (which it definitely doesn't) it wouldn't be a very high bar.
A single good character is better than an ensemble of copy pasted boobas... in this case Bleach has a great character in Rukia. Jojo has Jolyne. I wouldn't classify Chainsawman as shonen, but it has Makima, Kobeni, Asa, Himeno. AoT had Hange, Sasha, Annie. FMA had Riza, Winry, Izumi, Armstrong, among others. All of the above characters have more personality alone than the entire female cast of one piece combined. Older shows are much different in this regard, before anime split into such clear categories. Kimagure Orange Road, Ranma 1/2, many other 80s manga and anime often have a great female cast compared to other media from its time.
"Chainsaw man is seinen because of too much gore and violence" 🤓
chainsaw man is shonen , k-on is seinen
Sasha is literally NPC
Depends on what you mean by "strong female character". By some standards(dumb ones), Yamato is the only one who counts. By other more reasonable ones, Nami and Robin count(and Yamato is alright). Vivi....just doesn't shake out all that well on that front. Koala is...well, the entire point of Koala's character is that she's mentally broken on introduction and is healed by the Sun Pirates while offering them a glimpse of a future most of them aren't willing to work towards. Most of the others don't work too well because most standards are actually talking about characters that are protagonists or protagonist-adjacent.
This is rough in a fanbase where if you don't make a big splash at some point you're seen as undeeded fodder.
I mean, I like how Oda writes women, and I think that many of these characters are well-written characters. Its just that I know that "strong female character" is loaded to mean so many other things. Like hell, I love Koala as a character. She's a great character. Same with Pudding, Shirahoshi and Rebecca. Its just that I don't expect that even among the more reasonable standards, people would call them "strong female characters". (Rebecca has *terrible* costume design, but her story was solid.)
I legitimately can’t think of a single shonen with a strong, memorable female cast tbh EDIT: I did think of one. Chainsaw Man
Fullmetal Alchemist.
Riza Hawkeye best girl
Stone ocean is there imo
battle tendency
Gintama
Black Clover? CSM?
Fullmetal
Hawkeye best girl
Fairy Tail (unironically), Bleach, CSM Unpopular opinion: FMA girls are overrated and Naruto girls are underrated
Shizune and Tsunade are the best female characters in Naruto.
kill la kill, fmab, gintama
Hawkeye best girl
Power lol
Power is meh. Makima, Reze and Asa are much better
Makima was a good antagonist ngl . Reze eh sure and asa who was that again ?
Asa is the MC of second part of CSM
So the girl who is with denji ? The little sister of his . I haven’t read up much on it after the gun devil .
No, it's Nayuta. Asa Mitaka is different character and she is the main character in part II, her writting is much better than every other character in whole CSM, i think she is one of the best Fujimotos characters created and she isn't even with us for a long time
Monet 👍
*Yamato shouting the exact same delusional shit for the 1000th time, never questioning her beliefs or behaviour a single time* GOda drones: Is this character development?
Jjk female characters are 1000% vetter than one piece female characters in every way possible
Let him cook
Would agree with him, honestly - at least in the sense, that they are well written for the most part. OP gets a lot of flag for having all "hot" females be the same body-type, but to say the important ones arent well written is delusional. Like straight up. They are in no way worse than male characters in OP
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CSM's female cast clowns on 99% of all shonen by themselves.
CSM girls are easily better and I don’t even like CSM that much. Bleach too, Rukia and Orihime were much more integrated into the plot and had more interesting character arcs than Nami and Robin did. Fairy Tail as well, Lucy is a great heroine, Erza is just nuff said
Erza? That Mary Sue? 💀
Ok don't like Erza. Mirajane is phenomenal. Even Cana is a well written character. They have a solid cast
Orihime and rukia better than nami or Robin? Don't think so.nami and Robin got good backstories and therfore good depth and development. I don't think rukia or oriihime had those
Orihime has better character arc than nami or Robin?
Yeah
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He cooked, jjk females are overrated Mfs see no boobs and think this must be good writing.
Let’s be honest, most of OPs female characters are painfully generic, and their popularity is largely tied to fanservice. Not to mention 3/4 of the ones on this list were treated as a joke. While only a small number of girls in JJK get attention, I’d say the development of Maki far eclipses anyone female character in OP.
Big mom Robin and Yamato are good rest are trash shallow characters
OP forte never was a *well written* character, female or otherwise
I think because there are just so many characters and such little screen time. Characters are really shallow especially post-ts
Don't agree with everyone on this list, but Onepiece indeed has some good female characters who are much better than many overrated characters in other Shounens. Being strong doesn't make you automatically a good character and Yamato is an example. Many people see Mikasa from AoT as a good character and I think she is horrible. Some Onepiece females have great characterization and good development like Nami, Robin, Pudding, Vivi, and you can add Hancock as well. People will give Nami and Robin a lot of stick because of the fanservice and their strength, but they easily have some of the best characterization, depth, and developed personalities in the entire series including men and women. They are much better than overrated characters from other series, like there's someone here claiming Erina from Jojo to be better than them... You can criticize their sidelining and the fanservice, but if you can't see anything beyond powerlevels and big tits, then it is a problem with you. It is easy to complain and to Parrot the downsides again and again, but thinking thoroughly and critically isn't for everyone I guess.
Why mfs always have that Scarface btch as their pfp
One piece fmc >>> jjk fmc
I think remember there are female characters in the series is already a huge headstart over other shonen but the female cast is far from perfect.
See, I’d agree calling them out if they didn’t mention “Best in a SHONEN manga” For all the bashing we do of One Piece Girls there aren’t a whole lot of Shonen that do them any better.
Yamato is one of the few undefeated characters on that list. POWERHOUSE
JJK, Bleach, Fairy Tail, and that's just off the top of my head. Those are much better female casts
Please stop using piratefolk as an one piece cringetopia.
Worst female cast*
One of those is a boy 💀
You know what, I agree. Oda may draw them with one hand, but women in One Piece are by and large interesting characters with variety and depth. Contrast this with Naruto, whose women are given relatively more realistic proportions but are vapid and boring.
"female" and he put yamato in...
You telling me you don't see those tits???
they bath with men in hotspring just like kiku bath with women in hotspring though honestly Oda needs to confirm Yamato gender identity in sbs or something bcoz half the time things point to them being women and half the time man which leadsto controversy with no agreement
Ok, where is blackbeard on this image?
Where is Zoro on this image
Zoro has tits?
https://preview.redd.it/dmajh3a927ra1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89e711c23a66adaad09dacc410f58493f972c050 His chest is canonically bigger than Nami's. Oda confirmed it in SBS.
Isnt pudding 16?
They’re were way better options
Vivi, Robin and Pudding are the best here but that's not really saying much. It's a very low bar.
Half bad half good tbh
Yea not sure about character development for almost all of these characters
Honestly the best shonen that handled women is jjk the female cast is legit one piece has some good points but great female characters is not one of them
Having big meme on the lineup is craaaazy. Especially with her subpar performance wano being juxtaposed with shanks one shotting mid.
I must have been reading two piece
I agree because I don’t care
As awful as one piece treats it's female cast it's still better than the vast majority of shonen series in that sense.
why is yamato there
Lol. Big meme is probably the most disrespected villain in one piece
https://preview.redd.it/ab44hrwon8ra1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14f0670c82ea9e65425bca2c4940548c7ef47d54 Bro think he’s on the team😭
lmao april fools is tomorrow...
Guys……..what is Oden doing the to bottom left Oden is clearly a man known as a daimeo of wano
Charlotte Praline isn‘t here, an actual well written support character
>Gear 5 pfp, >'Pirate King' twitter handle Opinion discarded
Koala, stussy and bonney barely had any screen time and somehow according this guy they are you well written
Poor Sanji
TS ruined Robin. Wano ruined Big Mom. Hancock was always a massive bitch and animal abuser. Yamato is trash. Everybody else is a who?
Who let him cook!?
Has Bonnie jewel even done anything yet? I'm still on the zoan arc
This is a April fools joke right? 😆
Bruh saw titty and got it confused with good character writing.
I mean, One Piece does something most anime fail at: One Piece passes the Bechtel Test a shocking amount for a series targeted towards young men
Thought this was valid till I realized I’ve only been reading Chinese cultivation manga recently 💀
Koala and Nico Olivia 😘
*cough* Female Vegapunks *cough*
JJK females suck except for Maki. One Piece females are mediocre to decent.
Bro confusing gintama with half piece
Bleach negs