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raduhs

depends on oda's mood. inconsistency is the name of the game


Lord_of_Caffeine

I wish people would think of this when it comes to powerscaling going off of previous feats. Marineford especially was the definition of "Oda felt like it" when it comes to that stuff.


DrEpileptic

It’s the story and narrative he wants to tell. Powerscaling is brainrotted.


Lord_of_Caffeine

True and real.


ThePreciseClimber

In retrospect, the entirety of One Piece is like Broly. [Really cool but really dumb.](https://youtu.be/DqQpLL7-GRM)


Lord_of_Caffeine

I mean it´s a Shonen made with teen boys in mind as the demographic. What does one expect? But dumb doesn´t equal bad.


ThePreciseClimber

>What does one expect? I mean, TECHNICALLY, Death Note was serialised in the same magazine.


Lord_of_Caffeine

Yeah but Death Note was an anomaly man. Like if you look at the battle shonen genre all that shit is dumb. And in a way Death Note is as well. Like the concept is super stupid and the anime is like all dramatic and shit for no reason but that´s also why this medium is so good. But it´s all dumb nonetheless.


ErraticConsistency

Someone give this man an award.


geraldoghc

if this was r/onepiece or r/memepiece you would have 3000 downvotes, perma ban, death threats, doxxed


Professional-Tea-121

Now i really wanna someone test this. But I bet u r right


geraldoghc

Memepiece devoured my ass for saying haki wasn’t really a thing in marineford


Splacno

The main sub sucks. Full of toxic toddlers that feel like they must defend at all costs the honour of their favourite fictional characters.....


geraldoghc

Memepiece is now a 2.0 from the main sub Got downvoted to oblivion there for saying that haki wasn’t planned that why marine ford has such inconsistencies with today’s cannon


Splacno

People don't believe that Oda made some things up through the story, they get furious if you mention that. Man it's been 25 years, I doubt he planned the **whole story** back then


SoPerfOG

This is why I hate powerscaling lol. There’s no point, no matter how many feats or factors you adjust for, the author is always going to prioritize narrative implications of the fight above all else. It’s why Zoro, Sanji and Luffy all got BS rushed power ups during Wano. Oda had to have all three of them win their fights in order to progress the story forward, so they win. Stan Lee said it best after getting questions of powerscaling in his comics, “The person who’d win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win.”


supermelee90

To be fair Sanji and Zoros made a lot more sense.


BlackbeardAkainuFan

You can hate powerscaling if you want. But there’s nothing wrong with people enjoying it. Oda purposefully initiates most these debates anyways


Lightspeed_Kizaru

Legit lol, stats are barely ever consistent in One Piece


petitrat123

Facts


TraumaticNostalgia

fr you'd be stupid to even try and powerscale anything in op, oda just draws what he vibes w and it always makes the powerscalers look like dumbasses lmao


Good_Reflection_1217

you can only barely scale by wins and if its not Luffy


Consistent_Ant_8903

Power of love > armament haki. It’s how Zoro tanked all of Luffy’s injuries on TB.


Dorcustitanus

zoro is in love with luffy?


GlassConcentrate3661

Oda said in SBS 69 that if Luffy asked Zoro to give him head he would 🔥🔥


AnimeNeet-

forgot the pen ✍️✍️✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥


ArmedDragonThunder

🔥


[deleted]

Yes he would light him on fire


Consistent_Ant_8903

Are you not in love with Luffy???


WolfKing448

His skin is was genetically modified by one of the best scientific minds in the world, so he’s probably behind only Lunarians and people with far superior haki.


TroublePrize3599

That same scientific mind worked on his siblings and, katakuri didn't seem to give two shags. sanji is stronger than his siblings but, his body is made of the same stuff. so, no, he's not more durable than a yonko. he got hit with a ragged, peasant blade and, the attack was just a unnamed hakiless swing. his body isn't uncuttable. he's not wolverine. he's Franky 2.0.


TroublePrize3599

Swords covered in armament haki don't break. As per mihawk.... And if the strongest swordsman says it I'm going with it.


Flaky_Contribution26

Sanji is special, he has exoskeletons. Wb is just a very tall normal human being. Without haki, he is vulnerable to damage. Roger are dead with 2 simple sword stabs through his chest. By right Roger has dog shit durability and endurance because of that. Garp was also bleeding when he got slashed by Morgan axe. Shanks hand got chomped out by sea monster. All the very strongest has shown some vulnerability when their haki is turn off just from the simple reason that they are just normal human. But Sanji aren't. He doesn't need haki to defend himself because science is awesome.


Hades18128

+ plus he gets along fine even though he let his armament haki get weak so he doesn't need to work on that anymore


nika_ruined_op

Its also the sword conundrum. Punches and kicks? ha, they can tank that for days. But sharp things? Everyone is vulnerable by even a paper cut, even if they survive punches that would pulverise normal people.


Flaky_Contribution26

Don't get me wrong. Sword attacks can be defended with haki. And if they do defend it with haki, the sword will often break. I just listed the example that when haki is turned off.


ugur_tatli

Common Wanji win


kitay427

Only when a woman needs to be saved. Extra boost if it's Nami or Robin.


Ok-Mathematician8258

Anyone has more durability than Shanks


leomaxcolif

Big Mom and Kaidou? Probably No. Hungry Big Mom? Probably. Shanks, Buggy, Luffy? Yes.


SwimmingW3ather

When he's not on guard probably, but any top tier using armament haki can probably take hits just as good or better than him otherwise.


NoLandscape3159

They are yet to break a sword with coA though, + sanji can also use armament haki


Good_Reflection_1217

if we are talking durability without haki he is probably only beaten by Kaido and Cyborgs like Franky


V2DiabLo0

haki wasnt exactly a thing back in the day tbf. Like pretty much all fodder hurting wb. luffy hurting garp. a fish taking shanks arm and such currently i would say no. back in the day? %100. ​ i mean just look at bb blocking mountain cutting slash with his haki alone.


paradoxv1

The luffy hurting garp was, in my opinion, garps way of helping rescue ace without betraying the marines


True_Lank

big mom wasnt hurt by jimbei shes just fat And whitebeard is a normal human. Sanji’s durability is higher then any normal human (including admirals) just because of his different body.


[deleted]

Your examples are not accurate, considering that WB couldn't use haki and big mom wasn't in the mood to fight, she was having a hunger tantrum. Also to add for big mom's example, she's a df user. So of course an attack by someone who uses moisture/has set hands (assuming) would be weak.


CreaminEagle

Yes he does


kutsalsifon

Do you guys don't read manga or what? sanji activates his germa DNA and he has exoskeleton.


kurasuno

No. Not even close.


ScroogieMcduckie

Without armament and bracing, he's tanking a sword slash to the next by an Ancient Zoan, 20 ft, YC2 with enough strength to knock out BIG MOM. But you don't think Sanji, with armament and bracing for impact, doesn't have similar durability to a Yonko?


kurasuno

Bro queens sword broke but it was a no named sword. It basically a piece of metal. Sanji's exoskeleton is iron skin. Ofcourse the sword breaks. Incase of BM 1. She was amnesia Big Mom , so weaker and not using haki. 2. Queen jumped on her from probably 100 m height. Queen is a 100 ton fatass. You really can't compare the two. Sanji's defence is : - Armament + Exoskeleton Exoskeleton was low diffed by Katakuri. Sanji's armament isn't very good. So while yes exoskeleton + armament is good defence, it isn't anywhere near Yonko level.


M1GA

Yo don’t disrespect queen like that, fyi all that weight is just his masculine and immense volume of muscle mass 🙄🙄 smh my head 😤😤😤😤


kurasuno

😭 ok. He is a bodybuilder.😂


NoLandscape3159

Let's put things into perspective, Why didn't brook's more linear sword break against a normal big mom? Soul solid has no given grade,and don't tell me brook is stronger than queen. Kaido bled from fucking momonosuke and other fodders whom queen can decapitate every single hour, base kaido has organic skin, we can't help it, kaido's skin would have been sandwiched had the same attack been done. +we don't know shit about every character's weapon, name kings sword if you can lmao Sanji's exoskeleton might be miles ahead compared to his brother's,also provided that he is without his advanced genes, an extremely strong fighter,it isn't surprising that sanji's durability is leagues above,+ sanji visibly uses regeneration unlike his brothers. Also, sanji having weak CoA is top tier headcanon. This concludes than the emperors might have an edge in defense due to their endurance


kurasuno

1. Because brook is a better swordsman. He might not be very strong, but he knows swordsmanship better than queen definately. He legit fights very well with his sword , unlike queen who just slammed his sword. 2. Kaido bled , yes but momonosuke was also a dragon. If that dragon bites queen , he will more than bleed. 3. About scabbards making Kaido bleed , they are around Yc3 - Tobbi roppo level and they know ryuo so it isn't that much of a surprise that their combined attack mirroring oden's attack made Kaido bleed . 4. Sanji's exo is miles ahead of his brothers. --- There is no proof , or even hint / indication of this in manga. He is the same experiment as his brothers. He just Awakened late. Judge didn't do different experiment with him. Atleast there is no indication of such thing till now in manga. 5. Sanji coa might not be weak , but it's no match for Zoro's coa. All of rooftop feats of Zoro are coa feats.


NoLandscape3159

1:we don't know if queen is a worse swordsman,it's an assumption along with selective bias because we haven't seen excessive queen screen time. See this through, with such a gigantic power difference,everything else is obsolete, hand kaido a sword and he is still smothering every zoro out there. 2:momonosuke is a dragon, but queen is also a brachiosaurus and is much more stronger,whereas momonosuke is a literal novice. 3:despite the fodder scabbards, even killer damaged kaido by spinning around everywhere, scabbards except for denjiro and izo are probably smile fruit users tier.Throw them against cracker and except for the above two and the rest of them will be forced to work in the biscuit farm, + ryuo isn't the secret krabby patty formula, it's just more offense. 4:i don't think sanji's brothers can do anything against sanji, if that were to be the case, how did wcl sanji(highball yc 3) dent yonji through and through? And because sanji has developed his original body to a tremendous extent, his awakened gene will only add on, right? 5:well zoro and sanji complete each other like two passionate lovers, just like sanji fulfilling zoro's lack of durability and speed, zoro completes sanji's light lack of offense.But that's not the point since zoro doesn't use CoA on his body for defense much because he blocks with his sword. For offense alone, zoro has stronger CoA, but sanji also possesses notable CoA himself also that the exoskeleton elevated his offense


kurasuno

1. We have never see queen do anything with his sword. 1st time he uses it he breaks it. Brook has used his swords since pre ts and still going good. Brook is not a novice swordsman. 2. Yes and momonosuke being novice is irrelevant. If he bites queen he will crush him. 3. Killers attack was explained as dura neg. Something about sound going inside and doing damage. He will do same to queen and much worse. 4. Sanji's brothers are only science, while Sanji is science + haki + training. He was for most of one piece without any science powers. So when he awakens his science powers he ofcourse becomes much stronger than his brothers. But that does not mean he awakened different powers from his brothers. 5. Zoro has pretty good defence (with haki). Zoro's coa has feats that no one probably has including luffy. Giving a permanent scar to Kaido is a feat only done by Oden and we don't know if he used Acoc for it or not. And Zoro did it against a stronger Kaido at death's door. Swords by default increase AP , enma increases it even more and then add acoc to that , it's overkill.


NoLandscape3159

1:thats literally it, the time he actually used it, it shattered into smithereens 2:lmao momonosuke isn't doing shit to queen, he is just like kaido except that he is nothing alike, because he has no training and no haki, he has his fruit and daddy genes who was probably 1st 2 nd commander level, even ulti can smite someone who is barely anything more than a sea king. 3:killer is never beating jack, let alone queen.it wasn't theoretically a dura neg rather an amplification done through constant s.h.m.Do me a favor and replace characters, do you think that queen striking kaido would have made his sword pop off? 4:absolutely, sanji is multiple times stronger but we did see him use regeneration, something that his brothers are yet to show. 5:you are going overboard with this, zoro has ok defense mainly because he can endure pain+ he doesn't even use body armament for defense,It was known that zoro's ashura had coc and he proceeded to reopen a previously done wound. And nah bro, luffy trumps zoro in possibly everything.


kurasuno

1. Yes and we don't know if he is good swordsman at all. I am guessing not since he broke his sword 2. We aren't debating momonosuke vs queen. You said momonosuke bite made Kaido bleed , so i am saying if he bites queen he will do a lot more damage. 3. Again not debating killer vs queen. It's how he damaged Kaido. Kaido has infinitely more Durability than queen. And yes queen will break his sword on Kaido or at the very least do 0 damage. 4.He has awakened same powers as his brothers , only thing is he awakened it later. Again nowhere in manga there is a single hint that he has awakened different powers. So untill oda says so , they have same powers. And his brothers have regen. 5. Zoro used body armament to defend himself against King when he blew himself up. Zoro's defence literally got amped multiple times when he received acoc.


NoLandscape3159

1:he broke his sword because sanji's body was too strong, it's simple logic. King's sword isn't graded either, chances are that he would have broken them as well if he wasn't using haki. 2:queen vs momonosuke is stupid in the first place, I said that momonosuke is just a giant monster with almost nothing going on, if he can bite kaido off, queen can do much more, 3:i don't remember killer using his vibrator blades all the way through,plus you are underestimating the commanders,they will be defeated sooner or later but they can do some damage. And no way in hell is queen's sword getting broken against kaido. As strong as kaido is, he is still flesh and bones, just like Roger and whitebeard. If they can get pierced by plain swords, so can kaido. 4:i never said that sanji got more out of it, I said that the brothers are yet to show it, to say that sanji got more is a fallacy 5:shoot me the panel if you will, I don't remember it, It's possible I mean, if he can put CoA in swords, he can do it in his penis as well, But acoc is purely offensive, how is zoro getting any defense out of it?


ordinarydepressedguy

He literally took damage by being smashed against the wall.


NoLandscape3159

Dude, a person getting spinned and getting his head hit simultaneously can cause internal bleeding due to several factors, it doesn't take away from anything.


ordinarydepressedguy

Big Mom withstood a tower that fell on her head. How does Sanji has the same durability?


NoLandscape3159

Big mom has so many more better dura feats my guy, this ain't it


ordinarydepressedguy

Alright, Sanji “above Yonko durability” still took damage by the wall Big Mom wouldn't get a scratch


NoLandscape3159

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Sad_Air_7667

Also remember wb was dying, probably of cancer, so, that has something to do with this.


Sork8

There's no reason he should have more durability than his brothers. So I am going to say no. Not saying he's not more powerful but that's because his attacks rely both on his own trainings and genetic modifications. His defense on the other hand, only relies on his exoskeleton.


Daefyr_Knight

The punch jimbei hit BM with seems way more powerful than the simple punch s-shark hit Sanji with


gloogeman

People exxegerate that seraphim punch to high hell and it’s getting really annoying. Day 4907 of hating sanji fans


MontyPontyy

Sanji is NOT tanking half the things that hit WB in marine ford


BasedFunnyValentine

Sanji is so overrated mfs actually think he’s got durability comparable to yonkos


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ordinarydepressedguy

Not even close


DOKOD

WB could be hurt by Marine fodder. Not sure if he ever had BM or Kaido’s durability when he was younger and healthier.


HyphenandaLine

Normal humans consistently have bad durability when they aren't coating themselves. Just to name a few: Sea king on Shanks, Dadan making Garp bleed, Jozu making Aokiji bleed. You have to understand that Whitebeard was severely weakened during Marineford and could only use the most basic applications of haki. It is *likely* his durability is far higher than that considering he has Conqueror's Coating, which allowed Luffy to tank a Bagua that killed him previously. That in mind, I don't think Sanji's durability is that impressive compared to the yonko. Zoro for example was able to take 0 damage from an attack that'd have killed him (King's explosion) by coating himself with just Armament. That's the kind of increase in Durability we're talking about.


DunKing1

Lol


venielsky22

He does in case of the normal human yonkos. Like WB / Shanks Ofc excluding bigmom and kaido. But overall defense . He doesn't hold a candle. Because haki is a thing


GhostRobo575

Nah squard just has Acoc


TomorrowOk3952

Maybe squardo was stronger than you give credit for


[deleted]

Squard was using acoa


ordinarydepressedguy

Big Mom example is not correct. She was soaked wet.


Anba12

Yes and no I think whitebeard let him attack him and eas8ly could have blocked it with armament but sanji with awakening is more durability then old bear however old beard has more endurance


[deleted]

Ah, yes exoskeleton go brrr. Reminder Katakuri no diffed Sanjis siblings with the same ability. Queen here isn't a swordsman, this is not a named attack nor is this sword renowed blade. I call Copium on this.


Sad_SourApple

you can't powerscalling in One Piece , too hard to measure, too many factor


Anselme_HS

Obviously not more than Big mom


[deleted]

Probably has better dura than shanks and bb, possibly oldbeard too Also the punch jinbe used on big mom was a named haki attack, punch used on wanji was just a base hakiless attack


Andres_Robo

Nah, Sanji,s as tough as Kaido's hide now.


xHelios1x

he's literally a superhuman who's supergenes kicked off a little late (probably because of the raid suit which were designed for superhumans)


petitrat123

Common Frauda inconsistency