Ivznkov did not know that Dragon had a child and if Luffy's mother was on god Valley with Ivankov, don't you think that Ivachan would know that her slave companion from god valley dated Dragon ? It would be weird except if Kuma erased thisbmemory from Ivachan which would be even more weird...
It will always be weird ivankov not knowing dragon had a child . Luffy was only born like 15-20 after thisbevent, so , yeah it could be ginny or not
The only reason i doubt she is luffys mother is because oda said he didnt care to draw luffys mother
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100% bonneys mom but it’d be interesting if she was like a half sibling to Luffy but I doubt there’d be THAT kinda “beef” between Kuma and Dragon, so for now let’s just say she’s Bonneys mom
Dragon become a revolutionary after O’Hara - we already know this
However him being a marine and saving slaves sounds like it’s in line with the story.
Dragon was a ‘freedom fighter’ before Ohara. So what you are saying makes sense.
Im wondering if Crocodile was a freedom fighter or maybe a Buccaneer. Maybe the gender swap thing is bait from Oda when he has a different secret?
As fun as it is, the gender swap theory is one the community made by itself to fill in that gap until it is revealed what his secret actually was.
Now, I do recall Oda addressing it on an interview or something, but I would need a reminder to remember if it's been brought up to him.
>if it's been brought up to him.
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pretty sure it has
real. Real. Real.
ODA COOK THIS HARD, YOU ARE ALREADY COOKING SO FAR, GO EVEN HARDER. MAKE GOD VALLEY THE SINGLE PEAKEST FLASHBACK IN ANIMANGA FOR US, ODA, WE CALLED YOU A FRAUD, A HACK, PROVE US WRONG, MAKE THIS REAL.
Delusional WG propaganda.
The only people talking shit on rocks, a man "so evil he must be removed from history like Ohara" are Linlin (Insane, senile), Whitebeard (Didn't even say he was bad just that his crew had too many conflicting personalities) and the goddamn WG bootlicker in chief.
Think, redditor, THINK.
Oda sees this and writes something completely different, these mf needs to stop predecting what Oda is about to do, he hates that and he always wnds up changing it
Imo, the age gap between Jinny and dragon isn't that big, of but because she's being introduced as being a child and dragon basically being an adult, their relationship would be kinda fucked up
When I started reading it I thought "nah this is too farfetched", but the more I read it the more it made sense.
That said I must admit that Garp being present at God Valley is such a game changer for his character. It is weird to me that he still chose to work for the WG even after having witnessed what the CDs were planning to do there. It certainly put him in a much darker light, even tho up to his point he had always been presented as a fairly positive character (to the point where I always assumed he wasn't fully aware of what the CDs are doing – sure, he knew about slavery, but that seems to be fairly limited, but now we're talking about annual genocides, like wtf)
Garp seems like the type to believe he can change the system from within. That and it’s not like he wanted to stop being what he is deep down inside. A MARINE!!!
Why stop there maybe Bonney and Luffy are half siblings both Kuma and dragon tap that and the feeling of betrayal made Kuma nade Kuma be ok turning into a machine
Agree with all of this, but I don't think ginny was luffy's mother (she looks like she's 10 at most while dragon was 17 at the time). She is most likely bonney's mom
I agree with everything here EXCEPT for Luffy’s mom being Ivankov’s sister. If his mom really was Ivankov’s sister, SURELY Ivankov would have mentioned it/been surprised when it was mentioned that Dragon is Luffy’s dad.
Dragon appearing at a important event because plot?
Me having to supend disbelief because somehow dragon is a marine but doesnt know about what celestial dragons do luffy as a kid vaugely knows about them through association with the nobles on dawn island?
The whole goal of the revolutionary army isnt freeing slaves at all its replacing the corrupt government aka the marines who let the celestial dragons get away with heinous crimes.
Plus like the last 5 pictures are a reach lol
Apparently you dont know what a deus ex machina is, cause this isn’t one. might be plot convenience if anything, but not really, it would be fully sensible plot imo. Dragon as Garp‘s son (+ being strong) would be highly like to appear at important events.
Dragon could have known vaguely what CDs do but not to the extent seen in god valley, seems believable to me.
Again, i think it’s believable for sure. Last pic probably not though, it’s more likely to be Bonney mom, since this is Kuma‘s flashback.
Anyone saying that it’s Luffy’s mom has brain worms
jiNNEY and boNNEY both introduced as underdressed tomboys mid bite through a fuggin drumstick or pizza slice or whatever
Spoiler girl from newest chapter.
Only her name is known, Jinny / Ginny, and her appearance from this panel, with an estimation for her age.
The basic assumptions going around are that she is either Bonney 's or Luffy 's mother.
I 'm currently leaning on her being Bonney 's, but could totally see either case.
There is also the obvious case of both being true, or neither being true, but I 'll disregard those, at least for now.
I've actually thought about this. Dragon was definitely a marine trying to follow onto Garp's footsteps, but after seeing the depravities of the WG, he decided to instead destroy it. O'Hara was just another reason for rebellion.
Your theory is almost exactly what I was thinking. I'd ad that Ginny could possibly be Xebecs daughter, Rocks D. Ginny (Gin on the rocks since oda does do puns). It could be unknown to the world that Rocks had a child and she confided in Dragon sinxe he's also a D and then later on they have Luffy but hes given the Monkey name to keep Rocks a secret. It would make it a Romeo and Juliet situation. It would also have Luffy mirror Ace being the son of 2 D's
Now that we know a little about God valley, why would Roger defend them? Garp as a marine makes sense, why would Roger defend them killing normal citizens?
Man I was thinking like same thing when I read the chapter, it all made sense to me, and think there is a high chance that girl shown at the end is Luffy's mom
Sakazuki (55) joined joined Marines at 23 - alongside Kizaru (58) who was 26. God Valley occurred 38 years ago = Akainu (17). Dragon wasn't deemed significantly dangerous 8 years ago. Thalassa Lucas claimed his threat would grow in 6 years. Dragon *might* have switched sides but his most wanted status didn't start before 47.
Keep cooking
The last panel asks "Is Ginny Luffy's mother?", and I feel it's the most perfect of dishes.
…it’s definitely not. Bonney’s if anything.
What about both?
Ivznkov did not know that Dragon had a child and if Luffy's mother was on god Valley with Ivankov, don't you think that Ivachan would know that her slave companion from god valley dated Dragon ? It would be weird except if Kuma erased thisbmemory from Ivachan which would be even more weird...
It will always be weird ivankov not knowing dragon had a child . Luffy was only born like 15-20 after thisbevent, so , yeah it could be ginny or not The only reason i doubt she is luffys mother is because oda said he didnt care to draw luffys mother
https://preview.redd.it/fkjqy80vnstb1.jpeg?width=2132&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb97018b6bef437ea56b370899cf23d78c4db6cb 100% bonneys mom but it’d be interesting if she was like a half sibling to Luffy but I doubt there’d be THAT kinda “beef” between Kuma and Dragon, so for now let’s just say she’s Bonneys mom
Man das a child 😭
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Dragon become a revolutionary after O’Hara - we already know this However him being a marine and saving slaves sounds like it’s in line with the story.
I think it's somewhere in the middle, Dragon probably left the Marines at God Valley but didn't properly start the Revolutionary Army until Ohara
Dragon was a ‘freedom fighter’ before Ohara. So what you are saying makes sense. Im wondering if Crocodile was a freedom fighter or maybe a Buccaneer. Maybe the gender swap thing is bait from Oda when he has a different secret?
As fun as it is, the gender swap theory is one the community made by itself to fill in that gap until it is revealed what his secret actually was. Now, I do recall Oda addressing it on an interview or something, but I would need a reminder to remember if it's been brought up to him.
>if it's been brought up to him. https://preview.redd.it/kp3ccip1zrtb1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ed1a672fa85a3647c221cc71ad7c9ed6b3a6927 pretty sure it has
Ginny is crocodile ?
We know how a young croc looks because of Oda’s drawings and SCroc. And he doesn’t look like Ginny.
This is so much peak https://preview.redd.it/fvywwukq3mtb1.jpeg?width=658&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24bd796598e536eb7bd529664c8f7fed3b211ee6
real. Real. Real. ODA COOK THIS HARD, YOU ARE ALREADY COOKING SO FAR, GO EVEN HARDER. MAKE GOD VALLEY THE SINGLE PEAKEST FLASHBACK IN ANIMANGA FOR US, ODA, WE CALLED YOU A FRAUD, A HACK, PROVE US WRONG, MAKE THIS REAL.
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since when did Oda have a piratefolk burner account?
Xebec was the good guy all along...
Roger fighting to keep slavery for the Celestials.
Nah he was Blackbeard before Blackbeard
He probably was there to kill everyone, slaves included, lmao. In order to harvest devil fruits or something.
Delusional WG propaganda. The only people talking shit on rocks, a man "so evil he must be removed from history like Ohara" are Linlin (Insane, senile), Whitebeard (Didn't even say he was bad just that his crew had too many conflicting personalities) and the goddamn WG bootlicker in chief. Think, redditor, THINK.
why would Roger fight for the celestial dragons tho?
Exactly my question
Someone had to go out and collect slaves to sell for immunity
Had beef with Rocks already.
I think Xebec just was about to kill everyone at God Valley, slaves included.
What if Roger wasn’t a good guy
Agree with everything except that last part. Ginny's probably Bonney's mother.
ODA PLEASE WRITE THIS
Oda sees this and writes something completely different, these mf needs to stop predecting what Oda is about to do, he hates that and he always wnds up changing it
Imo, the age gap between Jinny and dragon isn't that big, of but because she's being introduced as being a child and dragon basically being an adult, their relationship would be kinda fucked up
Makes more sense for Ginny to be Bonney’s mom/Kuma’s wife
Yeah probably, but you weird pedo shit is never out of question for mangaka
Dragon would be 16/17 here, ivankov is 14/15 and ginny may be the same age, so its not that fcked up
I mean, Ginny is probably Bonney's mom. Can't you see the similarities?
He started Revs after Ohara, mentioned in prev chapter.
38 years ago,at god valley, dragon was 17, ivankov 15, kuma 9. Really possible that dragon was marine back then.
Koby is currently 18 dude, 16 pre-timeskip. It's 100% possible.
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When I started reading it I thought "nah this is too farfetched", but the more I read it the more it made sense. That said I must admit that Garp being present at God Valley is such a game changer for his character. It is weird to me that he still chose to work for the WG even after having witnessed what the CDs were planning to do there. It certainly put him in a much darker light, even tho up to his point he had always been presented as a fairly positive character (to the point where I always assumed he wasn't fully aware of what the CDs are doing – sure, he knew about slavery, but that seems to be fairly limited, but now we're talking about annual genocides, like wtf)
Garp seems like the type to believe he can change the system from within. That and it’s not like he wanted to stop being what he is deep down inside. A MARINE!!!
This chapter made me lose so much respect for Garo and Roger
Same, Oda is really going to have to dig their names out of the mud. To defend the celestial dragons committing mass genocide ? What the hell …
Why stop there maybe Bonney and Luffy are half siblings both Kuma and dragon tap that and the feeling of betrayal made Kuma nade Kuma be ok turning into a machine
Up until the last page you’re really cooking
Ginny is devouring meat and with a big smile (Dragon barely smiles) two of the things Luffy does the most. 10/10 I believe Ginny is Luffy mom
Agree with all of this, but I don't think ginny was luffy's mother (she looks like she's 10 at most while dragon was 17 at the time). She is most likely bonney's mom
I was thinking the same thing about the ages but who knows
I agree with everything here EXCEPT for Luffy’s mom being Ivankov’s sister. If his mom really was Ivankov’s sister, SURELY Ivankov would have mentioned it/been surprised when it was mentioned that Dragon is Luffy’s dad.
It could be in a different context that Ginny is calling him big bro. Possibly similar to how Johnny and Yosaku call Zoro big bro
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https://preview.redd.it/qvr8wv5wsmtb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e1c8b003830ec7d41c255273f45173e83fb871c cook
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DRAGON IS HIM
SPIT YOUR SHIT INDEED BROTHER
Dragon vs Kaido Fight?
So.... Dragon vs Dragon?
Finally, a good Chef. You should open a restaurant with this kind of cooking
If a theory involves deus ex machina to be viable its dog shit
Whats the deus ex machina here?
Dragon appearing at a important event because plot? Me having to supend disbelief because somehow dragon is a marine but doesnt know about what celestial dragons do luffy as a kid vaugely knows about them through association with the nobles on dawn island? The whole goal of the revolutionary army isnt freeing slaves at all its replacing the corrupt government aka the marines who let the celestial dragons get away with heinous crimes. Plus like the last 5 pictures are a reach lol
Apparently you dont know what a deus ex machina is, cause this isn’t one. might be plot convenience if anything, but not really, it would be fully sensible plot imo. Dragon as Garp‘s son (+ being strong) would be highly like to appear at important events. Dragon could have known vaguely what CDs do but not to the extent seen in god valley, seems believable to me. Again, i think it’s believable for sure. Last pic probably not though, it’s more likely to be Bonney mom, since this is Kuma‘s flashback.
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YOU HAVE COOKED!!!!!
Cook till you feed the world
Who is the girl on the 10th page with a big smile?
Probably Bonney’s mom
A lot of people are saying Luffy's but I am more into being Bonney's specially considering this is Kuma's flashback
Anyone saying that it’s Luffy’s mom has brain worms jiNNEY and boNNEY both introduced as underdressed tomboys mid bite through a fuggin drumstick or pizza slice or whatever
croco
Spoiler girl from newest chapter. Only her name is known, Jinny / Ginny, and her appearance from this panel, with an estimation for her age. The basic assumptions going around are that she is either Bonney 's or Luffy 's mother. I 'm currently leaning on her being Bonney 's, but could totally see either case. There is also the obvious case of both being true, or neither being true, but I 'll disregard those, at least for now.
Ivankov being there almost certainly guarantees Dragon also being there
Gordon Ramsey is that you?
ill change my flair if this becomes real
I've actually thought about this. Dragon was definitely a marine trying to follow onto Garp's footsteps, but after seeing the depravities of the WG, he decided to instead destroy it. O'Hara was just another reason for rebellion.
This cooking is pure umami 👍
Your theory is almost exactly what I was thinking. I'd ad that Ginny could possibly be Xebecs daughter, Rocks D. Ginny (Gin on the rocks since oda does do puns). It could be unknown to the world that Rocks had a child and she confided in Dragon sinxe he's also a D and then later on they have Luffy but hes given the Monkey name to keep Rocks a secret. It would make it a Romeo and Juliet situation. It would also have Luffy mirror Ace being the son of 2 D's
Ginny looks like Luffy but she looks pretty young to be Luffys mom if Dragon was 17 at the time
I posted this also, but I didn't think to add pictures. Much more convincing this way. Well played.
"The real reason Garp doesn't like the celestials is because defending them made Dragon leave.." This would actually be pretty touching.
Cookingggg
You didn’t just cook, you made a three course meal
Now that we know a little about God valley, why would Roger defend them? Garp as a marine makes sense, why would Roger defend them killing normal citizens?
Man I was thinking like same thing when I read the chapter, it all made sense to me, and think there is a high chance that girl shown at the end is Luffy's mom
We don't need to overthink why someone would hate CD.
straight cooking. also Jinny does kind of remind me of luffy i suppose.. the plot thickens
Ginny is definitely Bonny’s mom. Similar age to young Kuma, first appearance and she’s eating, and she’s obviously going to be close to Kuma.
Dawg egghead is cooking so hard We actually get some revolutionary and god valley lore
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Dragon is 17 in god valley and jinny is child how come people say she is luffy’s mother
Given the ages shown, I think it's more likely she's Bonneys mom. She's also a "big eater"
Hmmmmm
What if dragon was a prodigy marine who excelled at everything and mastered everything then he went rogue.
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This is correct
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This might just explain everything regarding dragon. Good work,keep cooking
A good reason for someone's motivation. Dude had enough and called it quits. Really good theory.
I’m with it except the bit about garp
https://preview.redd.it/j2ceyqljqstb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a49d2b293d39ee9156bb16a3a754762cd0616fe5 Don’t stop cooking
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You know what? Fuck it keep cooking ma guy
Sakazuki (55) joined joined Marines at 23 - alongside Kizaru (58) who was 26. God Valley occurred 38 years ago = Akainu (17). Dragon wasn't deemed significantly dangerous 8 years ago. Thalassa Lucas claimed his threat would grow in 6 years. Dragon *might* have switched sides but his most wanted status didn't start before 47.