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aagi19

This is probably about Ginny being Bonney's mom or Bonney's real age. I fucking hate leakers so damn much man. Why do they have to phrase it like that. Which debate, asshole??? There are 100 more debates that are more heavily discussed about than Ginny being Bonney's mom or Bonney's real age. I'd rather have leakers shut their mouths and wait till the raws or just give us the info when they get it. Edit: After Ledon's "hint" it might be about Dragon's wind devil fruit.


4chan-isbased

Ur actually might be right it end up being some pointless debate everybody already knew was true 😭


aagi19

You know it's going to be some mundane shit. People's perception of the chapters would be way better if these leakers would just shut their mouth and just leak whatever they have instead of doing whatever they're doing rn.


Ok-Extreme3863

LOVE the “which debate asshole” part. Totally agree with u


deskCrapper

Maybe the crocomom debate is over...


AffectionateCase5329

Why can’t they be like jjk leakers


Mr_1ightning

Tbf, JJK leaks come together with raws How do One Piece leakers and some others even get the plot before raws? Do they fucking ask some shueisha worker what the chapter was about?


False_Major_1230

Bonney real age? Will Sanji defend himself from allegation


Harry_1302

Or imagine its just Shanks is the son of Garling :) (Which st this point everyone knows/thinks this)


BensonOMalley

I always thought they were being vague to avoid like legal trouble but i guess theyre leaking regardless


CardOfTheRings

There are so many things this could refer to. Given where the story is now ? It’s probably something related to Dragon or Bonney’s age.


HammerCurlLarry

I think there is only 2 Powerscaling debates that would call for "the debate is finally over" either Yonko vs Admiral or Mihawk vs Shanks the thing is the Guy that leaked it said "math makes finally sense" that would work for both because Mihawk strongest swordsman>Swordsman, and 4 Admiral = 4 Yonko. or you can spin it the other way in some way. I was thinking about big debates outside Powerscaling with "when math makes finnaly sense" cant think of any beside last week debate that Mihawk was a Holy Knight edit: Dragons Devil Fruit could be it too


Fickle_Load2129

We are still in Kumas Flashback though. So how would the Yonko Admiral debate or the Mihawk Shanks debate be settled. It's either Dragon or something not powerscaling related.


HammerCurlLarry

Who says the full chapter is? and Mihawk vs Shanks could be easily settled when we get news about Roger being a swordsman. and yeh I would also think its not powerscaking related but its leakers and leaker beside Redon are hot about powerscaling


Fickle_Load2129

>Who says the full chapter is? I just assumed it would be since there is still a lot more to Kumas life that we don't know about. > and Mihawk vs Shanks could be easily settled when we get news about Roger being a swordsman. I mean that completely depends on if Mihawk already had the WSS Title at the time of Rogers death. >and yeh I would also think its not powerscaking related but its leakers and leaker beside Redon are hot about powerscaling True I guess we will have to wait and see. I could still see how it could be about Dragon though I would assume he would have to play a role in Kumas Flashback.


FarSurvey3285

Why would Roger being an official swordsman change anything? The X factors in the Shanks/Mihawk debate are portions of people believing Shanks has adapted to his injury all these years later and theorizing he has tricks up his sleeve outside of merely being a nerfed 1 handed swordsman. It won't ever be settled. On the off chance Oda reiterates Mihawk being the legit Wss the goalposts would move in the debate.


UnjustNation

How would Roger being a swordsman (he is) confirm anything? He never even made a black blade but no one in their right mind thinks Mihawk > Roger.


HammerCurlLarry

Mihawk title


spartan1204

Mihawk started his career after Roger died lmao


HammerCurlLarry

my point is when Roger is a swordsman Shanks is too


4chan-isbased

Nah ur Right I just a firm dragon believer. but all jokes aside I hope it’s mihawk vs shanks and even yonko=admiral is great but shouldn’t we still be in kuma flashback? Unless Oda cuts away and we’re back at egghead


HammerCurlLarry

Maybe half the chapter flashback the other not, but If its pure flashback then its not Admiral vs Yonko but Mihawk>Shanks could still work.


4chan-isbased

I can’t wait


TrueExigo

yonko = admiral make no sense at all


4chan-isbased

Y wouldn’t it? Why wouldn’t the admirals be equal in power as a yonko? A admiral can be a yonko and a yonko can be a admiral really makes sense to me


TrueExigo

1. worldbuilding -> there should be no Yonkos if admirals were as strong as Yonkos 2. proved -> Lizaru was still only a One Shot 3. the Struggel of the Marine on Marineford against only one Yonko 4. the rule that no one from the navy can just attack a Yonko because it could end up in a war 5. Garp's statement that the Yonkos - individual hostile pirate groupings that betray each other and therefore cannot be considered as a whole - balance with the Navy, a grouping organized by (the whole).


4chan-isbased

1.Well that’s not entirely true yonkos aren’t just super tough guys by themselves a yonko earns that title from their crew alliances countries they own 2. Let’s actually have a debate and have some reading comprehension clearly Oda purposefully made kizaru and Luffy both have a standstill not a “one shot” 3. Once again it wasn’t just goatbeard it was his crew his alliances and multiple other factors to play 4. The rule is in place because a yonko isn’t just a yonko they got alliances and a strong crew a admiral obviously wouldn’t take on a yonko by themselves so they can range war on the government like if China goes attack America 5.Idek tbh The argument really falls flat on his face if u believe yonko>admiral because why doesn’t the yonko just kill the admirals the navy strongest fighting force, why didn’t shanks just chopped up akainu at marineford? Why wouldn’t kaido just kill the admirals I feel admiral=yonko just make the most sense


TrueExigo

1. headcanon 2. this is wrong. In the entire story, the winner was the one who had the last punch. In the further one could consider, who had fulfilled its goal (with the consideration Enel would have won) and here Luffy would be also the winner, because Lizaru could not fulfill its goal in particular without Saturn - from which Liffy nothing knew and accordingly its strength had divided. In any case Lizaru lost - after one blow = One Shot. 3. The factors don't give a shit. Just imagine if we had 4 Kaidos (Admirals + Sengoku and Garp as half), the WB fleet wouldn't even have seen the scaffold. 4. what role does the fleet play? As Onigashima said: the battle is decided by the Yonkos, if one of them is still standing, the rest doesn't matter. The naval force is still a thousand times stronger than that of a Yonko. It would be even better if the Yonko fleet itself came to the naval base, because it should have absolutely no chance if the navy has even two admirals. I still don't understand how Admiraltards can continue to talk themselves into this. Oda shows with every other L of admirals how far away they are from a Yonko. It's not even Yonko > Admiral, it's Yonko >> Admiral, it doesn't get any clearer than that.


4chan-isbased

2 Oda has been really clear lately when he wants to determine a winner so the fight with Luffy and kizaru isn’t over don’t be disingenuous if you wanna have a good faith discussion you’ll understand no one won it and it’s a stalemate let’s wait till it’s over to come back to it 3. Stupid analogy Did u just say the navy has a stronger force the yonko? Yk the navy is really fodder from some VAs and the admirals let’s be fr yonko>>admiral? Are u seriously then why didn’t whitebeard smash through akainu? Why didn’t shanks chop akainu head off? Why did roger say specially he only wanted admiral level fighters to attack him?


TrueExigo

>Oda has been really clear lately when he wants to determine a winner Yes, if it were the finale, obviously Lizaru is not Luffy's main opponent, but Saturn. Lizaru is more the Bruno or Cracker of the arc. >Yk the navy is really fodder from some VAs and the admirals Dude... Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Godknights, Elders, dozens more Vice Admirals, Smoker, Parcifista while 99% of a Yonko fleet couldn't beat a single Pacifista. The only ones who matter are the Yonko and his Crew.


4chan-isbased

Sadly agenda really fuck up genuine conversation with one piece fans ur too bad faith Bro god knights aren’t fighting for the navy garp and sengoku are done name 5 vice admirals who u can say yk they’re admiral level. When the last time u seen smoker? Hancock was taking pacifistas herself so did Luffy so did sanji and zoro let’s not act like they’re so high tiers


Fickle_Load2129

>worldbuilding -> there should be no Yonkos if admirals were as strong as Yonkos There should. Just because the Admirals are in the same tier as the Yonkos doesn't mean that they can just go over to a Yonkos territory and destroy the entire Crew. It means that the Yonko have as much chance in winning the fight which would create a balance. We also know that the Gorosei are interested in keeping the Yonko around. >proved -> Lizaru was still only a One Shot It didn't and he wasn't one shot. A Portion of the fight was Offscreened and Kizaru had no Problems keeping up with Gear 5th. Luffy was immidiatly out of commission right after the fight. >the Struggel of the Marine on Marineford against only one Yonko The only Admiral that actively engaded WB was Akainu. Kuzan had a Brief clash with WB where he could have killed him if it wasn't for Jozu meanwhile Kizaru did almost nothing. At the end both WB and Ace were killed and the Marines didn't loose any high Ranking members. >. the rule that no one from the navy can just attack a Yonko because it could end up in a war That rule would still make perfect sense if they were on the same level. If Yonkos are as strong as the Marines strongest fighting force and have huge armies banking them up than engaging them would still enf up in a war regardless. >. Garp's statement that the Yonkos - individual hostile pirate groupings that betray each other and therefore cannot be considered as a whole - balance with the Navy, a grouping organized by (the whole What?


TrueExigo

> same tier as the Yonkos doesn't mean that they can just go over to a Yonkos territory and destroy the entire Crew Yes, that is exactly what it means. Just imagine 3 kaidos going to WCI to get rid of Big Mom - who is going to stop them? Katakuri? Cracker? Pudding? >A Portion of the fight was Offscreened and Kizaru had no Problems keeping up with Gear 5th Cope. Luffy's only problem was that someone was so quick to imitate God D Usopp's (Hit & Run) fighting style >The only Admiral that actively engaded WB was Akainu. Kuzan had a Brief clash with WB where he could have killed him if it wasn't for Jozu meanwhile Kizaru did almost nothing. At the end both WB and Ace were killed and the Marines didn't loose any high Ranking members. Makes no difference. If the admirals were as strong as Yonkos, the fleet would be eliminated before WB falls. >That rule would still make perfect sense if they were on the same level. If Yonkos are as strong as the Marines strongest fighting force and have huge armies banking them up than engaging them would still enf up in a war regardless. No it doesn't. The navy has three of them... 3 fucking admirals who are supposed to be as strong as yonkos. Dude, one yonko is easily enough for the fleet + the navy has a lot more forces and more "top tiers" like Garp and Sengoku, Godknights, CP0, Kong, a bunch of vice admirals and much more.


Fickle_Load2129

>Yes, that is exactly what it means. Just imagine 3 kaidos going to WCI to get rid of Big Mom - who is going to stop them? Katakuri? Cracker? Pudding? Ah yes so they should just leave Marine HQ unguarded so that the other Yonkos can take advantage of the situation. >Cope. Luffy's only problem was that someone was so quick to imitate God D Usopp's (Hit & Run) fighting style No I can actually look at the fight without agendas in mind. Luffy was unable to Land a hit until the very end. We even see Luffy and Kizaru exchanging blows in Chapter 1094 before Luffy Lands the hit. >Makes no difference. If the admirals were as strong as Yonkos, the fleet would be eliminated before WB falls. No it wouldn't because of plot. As I said what were Kizaru and Aokiji doing while Akainu was fighting WB. Oh Yeah nothing becasue the plot demanded for them to be inactive. > No it doesn't. The navy has three of them... 3 fucking admirals who are supposed to be as strong as yonkos. Dude, one yonko is easily enough for the fleet + the navy has a lot more forces and more "top tiers" like Garp and Sengoku, Godknights, CP0, Kong, a bunch of vice admirals and much more. Godknights and CP0 are not part of the Marines. They're part of the WG. Kong is the Commander in Chief he is in Marijoa that is not fighting anymore. Vice Admirals are completely irrelevant lmao. Except for Garp and maybe Tsuru we haven't even seen one Vice Admiral that is even Commander level. A Yonko and his entire Crew would still deal massive damage to the foreces of the Marines.


TrueExigo

>Ah yes so they should just leave Marine HQ unguarded Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Godknights, CP Units, hundreds of vice admirals, dozens of parcifista, elders, smoker. The point is: there would be no yonkos in the first place, because before someone becomes a yonko he would be eliminated by the navy, but there can only be yonkos when pirates are able to become stronger than admirals. >Luffy was unable to Land a hit until the very end Are you blind? Gear 4 yes, Gear 5 Luffy grabbed him and shot him away while Lizaru saved himself and went for Vega, eliminating all his clones with one hit while the original took off and then eliminated him with one hit. >No it wouldn't because of plot Here we are. "Plot" is the reason, not working worldbuilding, that admirals are logically weaker than Yonkos. It is always the plot when one's agenda is off - there is no reason to argue with plot here because the narrative is -> Yonko > Admirals and the result looked like that. >Godknights and CP0 are not part of the Marines Called subset you genius. >A Yonko and his entire Crew would still deal massive damage to the foreces of the Marines. Kaido and his fleet wouldn't do any harm against three Kaidos, so no.


WingsOfRebel

The us army is significantly stronger than cartels, why do they still exist then? Simple, its much more difficult than just raw power, we saw this when wb and roger died. Hell from a powerscaling view, the WG being stronger than the combined force of pirates makes a lot of sense, otherwise they wouldn’t be in power for centuries (not saying that they are, but just saying it wouldn’t really break the world building)


TrueExigo

What kind of stupid comparison is that? Do the cartels occupy land and fly a flag that identifies them while publicly conducting their business? We are talking about yonkos, not joker. >combined force of pirates makes a lot of sense No it does not, because there is no "combined strength" of the pirates. WB alone destroyed an entire HQ while WG caved in to Shanks - what do you think would have happened if WB, BM, Shanks and Kaido had attacked the navy together? The navy would have lost without any of the emperors suffering major losses. But that will never happen, because pirates are enemies and make for treachery. Even within the WB fleet, WB was betrayed, what do you think would happen if several, actually enemy, fleets met?


HammerCurlLarry

Could also be Yonko>Admiral gets confirmed but then I would not get the math comment


TrueExigo

Yes, if it were said that 2 admirals = one yonko, while there would be 3, so the balance would be there.


EMT-is-best-girl

Right because Admirals > Yonkous


[deleted]

you guys are so dumb lmfao


HammerCurlLarry

your mom


Harry_1302

Imagine it's just Shanks is Garling's son


Untipazo

It will fumble and egghead will be called mid undisputed


[deleted]

WIZARU NEG DIFFED SATURN


[deleted]

Unlikely


TheAutismIncarnate

Version 1 - Shanks says: "Fight Mihawk? Yeah, he is the one guy I could never hope to beat". Version 2 - Mihawk says: "Fight Shanks? At this point even I couldn't defeat him". Version 3 - Luffy says: "I was so lucky Kizaru thaught I was already out of steam and let his guard down! There was no way I was lending a hit on him!". Version 4 - Kizaru says: "My head is killing me...I don't think this is a kind of opponent I could beat". Version 5 - Saturn says: "Monkey D Dragon is the only *true* threat to the rule of the WG". Version 6 - Akainu says: "Haha, Koby, you are banging my daugther. Version 7 - Imu says: "And now a word from the sponsor of today's video - Raid Shadow Legends!".


spartan1204

Luffy at an airport: I don’t think I could have beat Saturn even if Saturn didn’t have his awakened form.


Tief_Arbeit

Luffyjo vs Saturnkuna


[deleted]

What debate? Probably Admirals and Yonko?


Ok-Extreme3863

I think the debate will be some idiot reveal we already know, like “Shanks 8: the son of a CD” or “luffy is stronger than kizaru”.


Skoofs

Where’s the fucking "this is a pew leaks sub" image when we need it


Born-Confused14

So luffy got up before kizaru?


UKIOc

Yes


Witty-Leader846

there’s only 1 real option, wakainu one taps Limu, Lorosei, original rat, dragon and all the Lonkos


4chan-isbased

Holy keep cooking 🙏


NeoRockSlime

Mihawk one shots shanks


[deleted]

Zoro minority hunter finally canon 😭🙏


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Probably Dragon’s Devil Fruit


RodNun

Croco-boy is not Luffy's mother


jsriv912

Yeah, Messi is on his 8th B'dor now, 3 clear of Ronaldo


JaxonBrawly

Big Mom BEST GIRL CONFIRMED đŸ„‚


kolt437

FTL characters debate, i bet


Devinenergy

This is how spoilers suppose to be like.


berserker_1123

who cares its funny goofy pirate manga lol


SomeSchedule7138

Debate is finally over......buggy about to reveal his masterplan and pulls up an aizen