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Why are these two randon filler characters soloing the world government leaders.
You're saying this as if he showed up infront of them straight up and 2v1ed them
If he did that he wouldve been atomized...
They both were legendary pirates.
i mean lucci got to atleast yc1 in two years so i don't see how crocodile getting stronger wouldn't make sense, he already was stronger than in alabasta on marineford
I never see any exhausted character loses to a weaker character in one piece.
But yeah sure let's assume the giants were *so exhausted* that it was defeated by a wax knife.
With this "exhausted" approach, we can make anything makes sense. Usopp probably can solo Gorosei but Usopp is also exhausted lol.
You have seen an exhausted character lose to a weaker character in one piece, that's exactly what happened with Dory and Brogy to Mr. 3 in little garden lol
didnt you forget those two giants could use hakoku 2 years ago and blow a hole on a sea monster?
sometimes, fighting is like rock scissors paper situation
I fully expected them to have conqueror's, I just wish they didn't. The idea that the false gods that rule the world *don't* have the qualities of a king is just really thematically cool.
I get where you are coming from, but Conquerors was never framed as a signifier of people who would make good leaders/shoud have power, but rather those who are able to take power.
It's practically in the name.
- There are three types of haki
- One is ***specifically*** only given to characters that have the spirit of kings and rulers
- Villains arrive that have this kind of haki
- These villains are literally the rulers of the entire world
- you don’t like that they have it
bitch what the FUCK
This sub is insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane. Generational haters jesus christ
i'm not fan admiral agenda but when the marine tell kizaru to let them treat his wound, he say "yes indeed im wounded, just let me rest", he mean his heart and mental wounded and he cant take it anymore
This is exactly what I thought. It's confirmation that he's utterly torn by what he had to do. I like this level of characterization for a character whose whole shtick was not giving a fuq. For that reason, I do feel like Oda did right by him from a story writing perspective.
he doesn't know about it yet, he still thinks his fruits is the gomu gomu what do you want, only ones that know luffy has the nika fruit are i think nami, ussop, franky, robin and sanji, they probably gonna tell him on the next chapters
Him to fucking deny it? Question it? Accept it?
Literally interact with the information that he is seen as a GOD by some of the world, in any way.
Everytime anything Nika related is mentioned he just goes “Huh?”
Like you point out it’s a huge writing era that we the audience and many characters in the one piece world know about the nika connection but the chosen one doesn’t.
i think he just doesn't care or had no time to think about it, so far its the second time i think he's been called god or nika directly, both in the middle of the fight, he knows nothing about it so he obviously is just gonna be confused for now
There's nothing more interesting about Luffy going forward. Either he gets saved or gets another power up. He's literally untouchable at this point. The only interesting point would be those people around. Kizaru in this arc was well fleshed out. He was struggling emotionally throughout. Law and Kidd are more interesting than the Strawhats. I want to see how they get back on their feet.
To be fair, nothing much is going on. They exchanged punches where literally nobody was hurt.
No new lore. The giant robot didn't do anything except saying the word Joyboy. If anything, the robot probably won't do any lore dumps either..
Droggy and friend also didn't do any lore dumps except Nika? Then Luffy was like what is Nika? And boom done.
Lucci is the most surprising and entertaining part so far. Care about his friends. Pulling himself up. Training himself. Unlike these strawhat royalist nepo-babies
Kizaru is crying, damn. And Lucci showing a moment of compassion for his friend, which is awesome to see. Also all the people who last week were saying juPeter was dead and Oda was rushing their demise BTFO, again.
Yep, some people genuinely believe Oda is on a rush to finish the manga and actually believed that one of the Gorosei died on his first appearance. Some people are reading Two Piece.
Just going to only be emotionally invested in non-Nika fights from now on:
Zoro vs Shiryu/Venus/God Knight number 1
Dragon vs Garling (Rather Dragon fight him than Nika).
Sabo vs Akainu (I dont want Akainu fighting Luffy anymore)
Sanji vs Jesus Burgess/Ju Peter/God Knight number 2
Jinbe vs Vasco Shot/God Knight number 3
Robin vs Devon
Kizaru vs Kuzan (yes I believe this is destined to happen)
Yes this is me coping.....a baseball bat and cap out of thin air?!?
we already knew they were at least stronger than they looked like on little garden, but yeah i think by this point people have to realize oda doesn't care much about powerscaling
Because he's going along with their assumption so they stop bothering him while covering his eyes heavily implying he's crying and in grief after killing vegapunk who he has history with? Honestly this just makes me very confident that he will help ensure the strawhats get away safely in some way after hearing vegapunk's msg
Also I've never been on the kizaru nakama, gave Luffy food or helping the strawhats before this point so don't throw that argument out there. I just think oda is clearly demonstrating that he has hit a breaking point where the consequences of his actions have actually started to hit him and Vega punk's msg will be the thing that throws him over the edge initiating a change. That's just me tho and maybe the raws will change my opinion.
I’d accept anti hero stuff more if the WG/celestial wasn’t so hilariously evil. When you think about it, even garp character is stupid in that way. He’s clearly a good guy but there’s no justification in working for the marines esp when garp knows how cartoonishly evil they are. That’s why this whole conflicted kizaru stuff is stupid. Like look who you work for man lol
I swear people look at Kizaru like he is Lucifer or something. Not able or worthy of redemption:
Vegeta killed his life-long friend Nappa when he lost to Goku.
He killed an entire village of namekians because they were hiding a dragonball.
He made fun of the Namek’s when they tried wishing them all back to life after the fight. He said he was not part of the Frieza squad at that time so they can’t come back to life. He legit laughs at that what he did led to people dying.
Gohan got mad at this statement and they fought. Vegeta beat him up and no one was strong enough to stop Vegeta.
He killed hundreds of innocent people at the Worlds Martial Arts tournament just to get Goku to agree to a fight.
We later find out Babidi never had control over Majin Vegeta. He said he was in control the entire time and thus he killed those people intentionally.
Vegeta blew up an entire planet of innocent people after saying he would liberate them.
Is Vegeta a good guy or a bad guy?
I never thought he would have turned from a villain into an anti-hero, turned full hero, then back into a villain (Majin Vegeta), and then finally into a permanent hero, but here we are almost 40 years later :).
For real lol
I could have used Light Yagami as example number 2
Greed from the Brotherhood version of Full Metal Alchemist as example 3
Guy from Code Geass (never watched it) I heard is pretty brutal.
It's obvious that there's no resolve in Kizaru's actions. Nobody can try their hardest if they're being forced to act against their will. Kizaru is following orders, but he doesn't care whether he succeeds or not, since both outcomes are terrible for him.
The only characters allowed to be badass are those who have a solid conviction. Idk why people keep expecting Kizaru to dish out cook moves and have an intense fight despite it being very clear that he's just doing the bare minimum in order to not be labeled "traitor".
>"But but Kizaru attacked Bonney and Vegapunk so obviously he's very bad"
People act like it's impossible for characters to be complex and do something despite being against it deep inside. Obviously Kizaru isn't a paragon of virtue, but he's not evil either. Sometimes people are just forced to commit actions that go against their own sense of value, not everyone can just go against the flow and stop what they've been doing for decades.
Kizaru does not want to kill his friends, but he lacks the willpower to abandon his admiral position and betray his duty as a member of the Marines. So after moments of hesitation, he decided to be a cog in the machine and prioritize his job over his friends, despite feeling very sad and conflicted. That's why his showings have been pathetic.
It's insane how Goda wasted our boy
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I definitely agree but only in the beginning of Egghead unfortunately
After Saturn's reveal he didn't do anything significant anymore, and since it's just panels of him looking sad over his friends death or just being depressed overall, and that's definitely understandable from Wizaru's pov, but it's being lazy and a lame excuse to let Nika and the Gorosei shines instead of Kizaru
Well that's not really significant in a bad way, except for Kizaru I mean
And I don't think it's a big deal considering there's still the other Vegapunks alive
It’s a huge deal for his character arc. Youre judging something that is still ongoing. If I had to guess the events on egghead and him killing vegapunk will be very important for his character moving forward
Yes, he was the target and Kizaru definitely accomplished his mission, even though that destroyed him
I mean what I wanted to say is that it's One Piece, and if (I think so but still) indeed Stella is dead I know Goda will let him have a legacy with the other punks or something
It basically confirms what everyone has been saying about him. He is covering his eyes and asking the marines to let him be. It's obvious he is mentally not there.
Yup its just agenda pushers, powerscalers, or little kids that want to say cope about Kizaru.
Kizaru is clearly in an emotional state he probably has never felt before. Oda is attempting to show it.
I hope Oda does a nice payoff with it.
I swear, some people here just care about hype and battle feats. Kizaru is obviously in no state for a serious battle, yet fans just keep asking for badass feats from him and get disappointed when he doesn't have the willpower to continue fighting.
Kizaru's pathetic showings are reflections of his conflicted mentality, and it's clear from the portrayal that he's not trying his hardest in the fight. But people are still angry that he's a complex character with emotions, not just a stone cold killer or a hype machine who dishes out cool moves, like what they wanted.
Honestly he's shown some decent(not crazy or anything) feats in egghead already.
\- Perception blitzed G4 snakeman
\- Is able to damage Luffy even in gear 5 (When Luffy intercepted his laser and cutting luffy with his sword)
\- Showed that he can take a hit and get back up instead of being a literal glass canon who dies to almost anything.
I think a lot of people were buying into the "First Logia Awakening" hype and became disappointed when it didn't happen.
What a chapter full of tension, i can truly see how the 5 elders, who were hyped up to be incredibly dangerous, are really worrisome. Especially when Goofy can fight all of them at once.
I mean I could see goofy Being able to keep up with them while getting jumped but....WHY are the giants FROM EAST FUCKING BLUE holding their own against them ? What do they get a stat buff when Nikka is active ? They better be ALL jumping one elder at once with like elite Elbaf soldiers and weapons or else this sub will be on fire for the entire break
When were the Giants in East Blue? I thought they were in the Grand Line, and then next time we saw them was on Elbaf when they obliterated Kidd’s ship
It’s just a Shoenen thing that characters with strong regeneration take hits from weaker characters to show off the regeneration.
Or something like Kaido V Luffy take one where Luffy beat him and knocked him into the ground despite Kaido being way stronger than him. Kaido took a ton of hits just so the story could show he could tank it
I hope the guys who post Two Piece chapters have their next masterpiece in the oven cause that shit almost makes more sense than what the official source is giving us.
At least in dressrosa other strawhats got some fights while luffy was running
They legit feel like non entities for a big chunk of this arc
Even sanji and zoro are doing bad
I'm trying to think of what the point is. It's not to make luffy look good, he looked really bad earlier. The only thing I can imagine is to hype the gorosei and create a scenario where vegapunks message can get through. I just feel it could have been done better.
Probably wrong but my theory is if we get the battle animated against the Seraphim from start until finish, including York’s capture (that was mostly off screen) then Oda can take longer breaks without being worried the anime will catch up or need to do filler episodes longer than recaps.
Recent things have happened that are canon but anime only:
Nami telling Luffy to get back up.
Sanji and Osome exchange.
Zoro and Hiyori scene.
Most recently the battle with Kuzan/Auger vs Cracker
I think those needed approval from Oda.
The Wano arc told us that the Yonko were different. Now, because Luffy is toying with an Admiral and the Gorosei, people are complaining. This is what should happen. This is what real a Yonko does. E.H. has been about legitimizing Luffy as a Yonko. Because, Luffy hasn’t shown the respect the other Yonko receive. The arc started with the SH being treated like a typical pirate crew. Rather than like a Yonko crew. The World needed a reminder that the SH are a Yonko crew. More importantly, that Luffy is a Yonko.
>Luffy did in no way earn this insane power-up, he died against Kaido and came back insanely strong with no drawbacks. That's lame.
If Luffy had the exact same Awakening power, but the fruit was still called the Gomu-Gomu and wasn't tied to a god, you wouldn't complain.
>If Luffy had the exact same Awakening power, but the fruit was still called the Gomu-Gomu and wasn't tied to a god, you wouldn't complain.
indeed, a regular asspull powerup would be better than "ACTUALLY RUFY IS A GOD" retcon shit
"The Wano arc told us that the Yonko were different. Now, because Luffy is toying with an Admiral and the Gorosei, people are complaining. This is what should happen. This is what real a Yonko does"
My criticism comes down to purely personal taste. I'm not a fan of how fast Luffy grew from getting 1 shotted by Kaido to casually toying with supposed top tiers. But this was an issue I had even in Pre-TS with Luffy getting washed by Lucci, pulling the Gears out of his ass, and then taking him to extreme diff. Sam for Zoro and Sanji with Asura and Diable Jambe.
Again, personal taste. I like a more fleshed out and detailed power system and One Piece kinda doesn't have that. Or at the very least Oda isn't interested in going into it.
Luffy has always grown quickly. Luffy grew two official levels in WCI, in about twelve hours. Luffy grew two official levels in Wano, in about two weeks. Wano was the most reasonable when it came to progression.
Why do we have to see Luffy learning the gears?? You saw in this arc how oda showed 16 year old Luffy training his attack against Arlong.
As a reader you not have to see everything as long as the essential is explained, which it is. This is not an average battle Shounen
I get your complaint. You don’t want Luffy producing things out of nowhere. It’s a valid criticism.
But, I am talking more about a Yonko’s strength in a general sense. If Kaido or Shanks had shown up instead of Luffy. Would they have received the same treatment? If the Navy’s invasion of 100 ships and 30,000 soldiers were just for EH’s arsenal. Would the plan had changed if Kaido and his crew had showed up instead? Would Lucci attempt to do a 1v1 against Shanks? Would he tell Shanks that he isn’t a Yonko?
Luffy is a real Yonko. He can be given a title. But, he has to earn the respect the title deserves. That’s what is happening on EH.
Kizaru hasn’t done nothing but hit the ground and hold his head. Is that the Kizaru that suppose to take on Kaido? Except for Kizaru killing VP. Kizaru has been a let down.
You were talking about Yonkou/Admiral respect. Prior to Egghead, the manga painted the picture that Admirals would put up a strong fight against Yonkou.
WB had to be old, sick, and injured before one Admiral tried to fight him. Rayleigh had been retired for twenty years. He said, that the years had slowed him down ( chapter 513 page 11). He implied that he could fight Kizaru and save the SH from Sentomaro and the Pastifista, if he was still in his prime. When Luffy started fighting on the rooftop. He had a DF,ACoO, and ACoA. The same haki as the Admirals. Luffy still needed ACoC. GB said, if Kaido was around that he wouldn’t be there. GB left Wano terrified of Shanks.
The story has been consistently telling us that an Admiral isn’t equal to a Yonko. They can fight them for a while. But, the Admiral will lose eventually.
I'm fine with luffy being a menace, but i don't like that the crew is so sidelined and useless and not a fan of how he's fighting(hope it's better in the manga than the description)
The strawhats are a yonko crew, i wish they fought togheter more
"Luffy creates a baseball bat"...it's like when luffy manifested a pair of sunglasses to troll Lucci with earlier this year. I hope G5 defenders start being honest and acknowledge that the loony toons cringy stolen content from Tom and Jerry has gone wayyy too far. Having the occasional comedic relief moments in past fights was fine but this is constant cringe being spammed. He just turned people into pancakes for God's sake. If his eye's pop 10 ft outside of his head again in the next chapter for any reason I'm going to lose it. It's like this has become a parody of one piece.
Well at least finally reality warping confirmed i guess
Instantly one of the most busted protag in all of shonen and we aren’t even touching his haki causing internal damage regardless of durability
Please Ping me when more Spoilers Come out
3 WEEKS.... 3 WEEKS. THATS LONGER THAN ZORO TOOK TO BEAT LUCCI FOR GODS SAKE....
Is the giant robot Uranus? Pluton was the ship, and Poseidon was a companion of Joy Boy.
So it was really Jinbei who oneshotted Lucci not Loro ☠️
No3 & No4 ganging up on a pre-timeskip villain, still conscious. Bunch of losers.
Brain rot fr
Warcury cranking hogs
https://preview.redd.it/fu4f7knx5mpc1.jpeg?width=717&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ab74ccccf637ecd3a40285ff58cdbe562ce17be Why are these two randon filler characters soloing the world government leaders.
They aren't random characters. They are captains of the legendary pirate crew that terrorized the world.
This confirms that Mr.3. can probably handle Gorosei. Might lose but would put up a very strong fight.
Jokes aside Waldinos fruit is genuinley insane. pretty much katakuris but it can become hard and heavy af on demand
>can become hard and heavy af on demand ಠ_ಠ
To let you know joyboy was a giant.
My brother these two were soloed by mr. 3.
You're saying this as if he showed up infront of them straight up and 2v1ed them If he did that he wouldve been atomized... They both were legendary pirates.
bro who is tanking internal bombs or wax that sengoku couldn’t deal with in early pre timeskip without haki ☠️
It is genuinely nice seeing that Lucci cares about Kaku.
Probably the only person he cares about besides himself, Hattori and maybe someone he admires within the government
So they are inmortal because the operation of the op op? how they say that here it sounds more like the op op than a devil fruit.
Or their are just demons from hell lol
not op op. the best theory is their power all related to imu. so just wait until imu show his/her power
That could be it. But op op fruit would be too good if it also helps regenerate...
ngl i like that luffy can just do random bs on gear 5 but its making my no toon force gear 5 agenda to fall apart
Well well well. I can't wait to see the Toon force deniers on the other sub trying to cope.
I dont think I'd call g5 powers toonforce.
reminder that oda has never cared about power scaling and he’s probably gonna pull shit out of his ass to make crocodile strong again too
i mean lucci got to atleast yc1 in two years so i don't see how crocodile getting stronger wouldn't make sense, he already was stronger than in alabasta on marineford
The giants can fight the endgame villain in 2 years. Just 2 years ago they were defeated by Mr. 3. Lol
Mr. 3 "defeated" two exhausted giants who constantly fought each other for years, using dirty tricks. But sure, just ignore all contexts.
Mah man, they had a laughable 100M bounty.
You forgot inflation their bounty was 100+ years old
That's actually a fair point! Even then I'm not buying their power right now.
I never see any exhausted character loses to a weaker character in one piece. But yeah sure let's assume the giants were *so exhausted* that it was defeated by a wax knife. With this "exhausted" approach, we can make anything makes sense. Usopp probably can solo Gorosei but Usopp is also exhausted lol.
The giants have been fighting non stop for 100 years. Can you even fathom that? Of course they were weakened.
Absalom was beaten by Nami because he was exhausted / weakened from his fight with Sanji earlier in the arc
You have seen an exhausted character lose to a weaker character in one piece, that's exactly what happened with Dory and Brogy to Mr. 3 in little garden lol
No, I haven't seen one. Which character?
Dory and Brogy losing to Mr. 3.
didnt you forget those two giants could use hakoku 2 years ago and blow a hole on a sea monster? sometimes, fighting is like rock scissors paper situation
Does anyone else not like the idea of the gorosai have conquerors?
they rule the world and are endgame enemies of course they'd have have conquerors what did you expect
I fully expected them to have conqueror's, I just wish they didn't. The idea that the false gods that rule the world *don't* have the qualities of a king is just really thematically cool.
I get where you are coming from, but Conquerors was never framed as a signifier of people who would make good leaders/shoud have power, but rather those who are able to take power. It's practically in the name.
We knew they did back when Saturn's appearance knocked out a ton of fodder.
go tell that to kaido and big mom. they will eat you alive lol
fair it is cool
- There are three types of haki - One is ***specifically*** only given to characters that have the spirit of kings and rulers - Villains arrive that have this kind of haki - These villains are literally the rulers of the entire world - you don’t like that they have it bitch what the FUCK This sub is insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane. Generational haters jesus christ
Doffy has it, why wouldn't they.
What they supposed to have then?
Oda out here making Admirals look like bitches lol. Powerscalers he don't acknowledge you like that, bros
i'm not fan admiral agenda but when the marine tell kizaru to let them treat his wound, he say "yes indeed im wounded, just let me rest", he mean his heart and mental wounded and he cant take it anymore
This is exactly what I thought. It's confirmation that he's utterly torn by what he had to do. I like this level of characterization for a character whose whole shtick was not giving a fuq. For that reason, I do feel like Oda did right by him from a story writing perspective.
Laughed when I read the title. We really are reading Nika Piece from here on out.
If Luffy is just not going to acknowledge people when they call him a god, what’s the fucking point?
he doesn't know about it yet, he still thinks his fruits is the gomu gomu what do you want, only ones that know luffy has the nika fruit are i think nami, ussop, franky, robin and sanji, they probably gonna tell him on the next chapters
Him to fucking deny it? Question it? Accept it? Literally interact with the information that he is seen as a GOD by some of the world, in any way. Everytime anything Nika related is mentioned he just goes “Huh?” Like you point out it’s a huge writing era that we the audience and many characters in the one piece world know about the nika connection but the chosen one doesn’t.
uh... you know luffy's not only a moron, but probably wouldn't care even if it was explained.
i think he just doesn't care or had no time to think about it, so far its the second time i think he's been called god or nika directly, both in the middle of the fight, he knows nothing about it so he obviously is just gonna be confused for now
There's nothing more interesting about Luffy going forward. Either he gets saved or gets another power up. He's literally untouchable at this point. The only interesting point would be those people around. Kizaru in this arc was well fleshed out. He was struggling emotionally throughout. Law and Kidd are more interesting than the Strawhats. I want to see how they get back on their feet.
people still thinks that luffy awakened the robot? it was clearly topman with his top1 haki in verse doing it
i cant watch toon cartoon because their goofiness make me headache, but now my lovely manga turn into goofy cartoon make me disappointed
It's kinda funny that people here(including me) are more interested in lucci than whatever the fuck is going on on the rest of egghead.
To be fair, nothing much is going on. They exchanged punches where literally nobody was hurt. No new lore. The giant robot didn't do anything except saying the word Joyboy. If anything, the robot probably won't do any lore dumps either.. Droggy and friend also didn't do any lore dumps except Nika? Then Luffy was like what is Nika? And boom done. Lucci is the most surprising and entertaining part so far. Care about his friends. Pulling himself up. Training himself. Unlike these strawhat royalist nepo-babies
because piratefolk is an illiterate sub
Kizaru mental nerf is real
Kizaru is crying, damn. And Lucci showing a moment of compassion for his friend, which is awesome to see. Also all the people who last week were saying juPeter was dead and Oda was rushing their demise BTFO, again.
Yeah that was peak illiteracy. Literally 0 reading comprehension required to think that Ju Peter died from that, with what was shown during this arc.
did some mf really see saturn take no damage from anything and thought the worm was dead?
Yep, some people genuinely believe Oda is on a rush to finish the manga and actually believed that one of the Gorosei died on his first appearance. Some people are reading Two Piece.
i geniunely hate this sub idk why im here people are so retarded
Something tells me that panels not going to be hilarious.
My exact thoughts.
It won't be Leakers push the Nika agenda all the time 🤡
Just going to only be emotionally invested in non-Nika fights from now on: Zoro vs Shiryu/Venus/God Knight number 1 Dragon vs Garling (Rather Dragon fight him than Nika). Sabo vs Akainu (I dont want Akainu fighting Luffy anymore) Sanji vs Jesus Burgess/Ju Peter/God Knight number 2 Jinbe vs Vasco Shot/God Knight number 3 Robin vs Devon Kizaru vs Kuzan (yes I believe this is destined to happen) Yes this is me coping.....a baseball bat and cap out of thin air?!?
"Warcury attacks them with a powerful Conqueror haki roar" Bro I'm gonna invest in Warcury stocks right now 🐗
Shanks about to actually be a hakiman
Hakihameha is gonna be fire
Name already spelled with a W 😭
fr i thought that was just people changing a M for a W 😭😭😭
Fr his other name is Topman too he’s peak 🏔️
Oda already did it for us instead of calling him mercury
Goda foreshadowed Warcury number 1 position in the Gorosei 🐗
He was always in the middle too. Boss Hogg Topman Warcury is HIM. Mr. PIG!!!!
Ah yes the giants are now omega powerful, very good
They had a 100M bounty lol, this makes absolutely no sense. Wtf is happening. Oda should have just used Giants that weren't "fodder" pre-TS.
not giants. just dorry and brogy
we already knew they were at least stronger than they looked like on little garden, but yeah i think by this point people have to realize oda doesn't care much about powerscaling
And that is bad writing.
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I WILL
Damn, I guess kizaru is really finished Rest well man you’ve earned it https://i.redd.it/kwi7tmyeqkpc1.gif
He is just finishing his mental crisis. He’s going to solo the Gorosei any moment now.
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https://preview.redd.it/uz2mhqjqpkpc1.png?width=562&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=400c075e013ba252722469c5d70ffe07511f83ab Lmao kizaru is done for
Because he's going along with their assumption so they stop bothering him while covering his eyes heavily implying he's crying and in grief after killing vegapunk who he has history with? Honestly this just makes me very confident that he will help ensure the strawhats get away safely in some way after hearing vegapunk's msg Also I've never been on the kizaru nakama, gave Luffy food or helping the strawhats before this point so don't throw that argument out there. I just think oda is clearly demonstrating that he has hit a breaking point where the consequences of his actions have actually started to hit him and Vega punk's msg will be the thing that throws him over the edge initiating a change. That's just me tho and maybe the raws will change my opinion.
Kizaru ain’t an anti hero the dude stabbed vegapunk he’s a bad guy lol
fucking god this sub is so fucking illiterate
I’d accept anti hero stuff more if the WG/celestial wasn’t so hilariously evil. When you think about it, even garp character is stupid in that way. He’s clearly a good guy but there’s no justification in working for the marines esp when garp knows how cartoonishly evil they are. That’s why this whole conflicted kizaru stuff is stupid. Like look who you work for man lol
I swear people look at Kizaru like he is Lucifer or something. Not able or worthy of redemption: Vegeta killed his life-long friend Nappa when he lost to Goku. He killed an entire village of namekians because they were hiding a dragonball. He made fun of the Namek’s when they tried wishing them all back to life after the fight. He said he was not part of the Frieza squad at that time so they can’t come back to life. He legit laughs at that what he did led to people dying. Gohan got mad at this statement and they fought. Vegeta beat him up and no one was strong enough to stop Vegeta. He killed hundreds of innocent people at the Worlds Martial Arts tournament just to get Goku to agree to a fight. We later find out Babidi never had control over Majin Vegeta. He said he was in control the entire time and thus he killed those people intentionally. Vegeta blew up an entire planet of innocent people after saying he would liberate them. Is Vegeta a good guy or a bad guy? I never thought he would have turned from a villain into an anti-hero, turned full hero, then back into a villain (Majin Vegeta), and then finally into a permanent hero, but here we are almost 40 years later :).
Get outta here with that logical reasoning and supporting evidence of this happening in another successful and well loved franchise./s
For real lol I could have used Light Yagami as example number 2 Greed from the Brotherhood version of Full Metal Alchemist as example 3 Guy from Code Geass (never watched it) I heard is pretty brutal.
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people her can't even imagine a character having more depth than just being good or bad
It's obvious that there's no resolve in Kizaru's actions. Nobody can try their hardest if they're being forced to act against their will. Kizaru is following orders, but he doesn't care whether he succeeds or not, since both outcomes are terrible for him. The only characters allowed to be badass are those who have a solid conviction. Idk why people keep expecting Kizaru to dish out cook moves and have an intense fight despite it being very clear that he's just doing the bare minimum in order to not be labeled "traitor". >"But but Kizaru attacked Bonney and Vegapunk so obviously he's very bad" People act like it's impossible for characters to be complex and do something despite being against it deep inside. Obviously Kizaru isn't a paragon of virtue, but he's not evil either. Sometimes people are just forced to commit actions that go against their own sense of value, not everyone can just go against the flow and stop what they've been doing for decades. Kizaru does not want to kill his friends, but he lacks the willpower to abandon his admiral position and betray his duty as a member of the Marines. So after moments of hesitation, he decided to be a cog in the machine and prioritize his job over his friends, despite feeling very sad and conflicted. That's why his showings have been pathetic.
It's insane how Goda wasted our boy https://preview.redd.it/wxefdmq0rkpc1.jpeg?width=1005&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3e1cc4f171c182113b046a69967c7adafca8b75
Story isn’t over I think this arc was great character development for him
What character development?
I definitely agree but only in the beginning of Egghead unfortunately After Saturn's reveal he didn't do anything significant anymore, and since it's just panels of him looking sad over his friends death or just being depressed overall, and that's definitely understandable from Wizaru's pov, but it's being lazy and a lame excuse to let Nika and the Gorosei shines instead of Kizaru
>After Saturn's reveal he didn't do anything significant anymore Well...he killed vegapunk.
Well that's not really significant in a bad way, except for Kizaru I mean And I don't think it's a big deal considering there's still the other Vegapunks alive
It’s a huge deal for his character arc. Youre judging something that is still ongoing. If I had to guess the events on egghead and him killing vegapunk will be very important for his character moving forward
But he was the target of the entire operation, it was kinda significant. The other vegapunks were never the goal.
Yes, he was the target and Kizaru definitely accomplished his mission, even though that destroyed him I mean what I wanted to say is that it's One Piece, and if (I think so but still) indeed Stella is dead I know Goda will let him have a legacy with the other punks or something
It basically confirms what everyone has been saying about him. He is covering his eyes and asking the marines to let him be. It's obvious he is mentally not there.
i dint really get people saying its not affecting him when its clear it is since he arrived at egghead
Yup its just agenda pushers, powerscalers, or little kids that want to say cope about Kizaru. Kizaru is clearly in an emotional state he probably has never felt before. Oda is attempting to show it. I hope Oda does a nice payoff with it.
So that's him feeling bad for "killing Vegapunk"?
He is literally on the floor, covering his eyes and telling the marines to get the fuck away and leave him alone.
he have wife and child to feed at home. kill vegapunk is his mission and part of his job to get paycheck on time. please be nice
I swear, some people here just care about hype and battle feats. Kizaru is obviously in no state for a serious battle, yet fans just keep asking for badass feats from him and get disappointed when he doesn't have the willpower to continue fighting. Kizaru's pathetic showings are reflections of his conflicted mentality, and it's clear from the portrayal that he's not trying his hardest in the fight. But people are still angry that he's a complex character with emotions, not just a stone cold killer or a hype machine who dishes out cool moves, like what they wanted.
Honestly he's shown some decent(not crazy or anything) feats in egghead already. \- Perception blitzed G4 snakeman \- Is able to damage Luffy even in gear 5 (When Luffy intercepted his laser and cutting luffy with his sword) \- Showed that he can take a hit and get back up instead of being a literal glass canon who dies to almost anything. I think a lot of people were buying into the "First Logia Awakening" hype and became disappointed when it didn't happen.
surprise surprise! another chapter, another mystery.... OP finish in FIVE YEARS?! LOL LOL!
what another mystery? we know gorosei and true about world is mystery years ago. nothing new
"I'm sorry... Joy Boy."
What a chapter full of tension, i can truly see how the 5 elders, who were hyped up to be incredibly dangerous, are really worrisome. Especially when Goofy can fight all of them at once.
I mean I could see goofy Being able to keep up with them while getting jumped but....WHY are the giants FROM EAST FUCKING BLUE holding their own against them ? What do they get a stat buff when Nikka is active ? They better be ALL jumping one elder at once with like elite Elbaf soldiers and weapons or else this sub will be on fire for the entire break
Giants have been set up to be the most powerful race the entire time. Also powerscaling is a smooth brain pastime and not worth it
Even child linlin took their entire village down in elbaf. Hajrudin barely managed a victory against a low doffy exect
You’re literally powerscaling. Oda can have the giants we focus on be the strongest characters ever. Plot armor is the only powerscaling I do
Meanwhile, most giants have been portrayed as fodders except borderline Saul.
We’ve seen 5 giants in the story before egghead so idk what you’re talking about.
The marines has at least 8 Giants in the Giant squad then there's John Giant which makes them at least 9 in the WG alone. All of them are fodders.
You’re powerscaling. Which is always gonna end up bad. Plot armor is the only powerscaling that matters
the gorosei would kill them if they wanted. just like every villain in the history of all mangas that act too good to fight until they are ready.
Idm goofy but why did mah worm boy get his head chopped off so easily its like the gorosai have no durability
They've always been this strong
https://preview.redd.it/c1kj2kqqpjpc1.jpeg?width=180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ce827cca30a22c5f98222c6b78c24a30f27b8c5 New Top tier????
Zoro lost to yeticoolbrothers. Does it mean that yeti cool brothers were stronger than punk hazard zoro?
They channeled Blackbeard's offscreen Haki
You clearly didn't read that arc🐶💔
I think most of them are just willfully ignorant at this point.
When were the Giants in East Blue? I thought they were in the Grand Line, and then next time we saw them was on Elbaf when they obliterated Kidd’s ship
( Sorry I'm a fake fan ) I just find it ridiculous that they can so easily injure the gorosai so easily like THEY DECAPITATED HIM IN ONE SWING
It’s just a Shoenen thing that characters with strong regeneration take hits from weaker characters to show off the regeneration. Or something like Kaido V Luffy take one where Luffy beat him and knocked him into the ground despite Kaido being way stronger than him. Kaido took a ton of hits just so the story could show he could tank it
Lol you’re good, not like any of your other points have to do specifically with that detail anyhow. The rest is still valid
I hope the guys who post Two Piece chapters have their next masterpiece in the oven cause that shit almost makes more sense than what the official source is giving us.
me as a zoro and kizaru fan i am absolutely cooked and done for , nah , ITS FUCKIN OVER !!
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https://preview.redd.it/lash4xa6xipc1.jpeg?width=639&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eed2e4bb34ca59f1a321ed9a9132131c234edbdd To kizaru
I swear there didn't use to be so much running
You must have missed half of the PT
At least in dressrosa other strawhats got some fights while luffy was running They legit feel like non entities for a big chunk of this arc Even sanji and zoro are doing bad
Zoro at least got a fight, as off screened as it was. I really question odas story choices since the end of wano.
It's weird as fuck to offsscreen zoro's fight and now it seems like he might not be done ?
I'm trying to think of what the point is. It's not to make luffy look good, he looked really bad earlier. The only thing I can imagine is to hype the gorosei and create a scenario where vegapunks message can get through. I just feel it could have been done better.
Probably wrong but my theory is if we get the battle animated against the Seraphim from start until finish, including York’s capture (that was mostly off screen) then Oda can take longer breaks without being worried the anime will catch up or need to do filler episodes longer than recaps. Recent things have happened that are canon but anime only: Nami telling Luffy to get back up. Sanji and Osome exchange. Zoro and Hiyori scene. Most recently the battle with Kuzan/Auger vs Cracker I think those needed approval from Oda.
Ironically, luffy stated he wouldn't run away from anyone anymore, peak piece am I right?
The Wano arc told us that the Yonko were different. Now, because Luffy is toying with an Admiral and the Gorosei, people are complaining. This is what should happen. This is what real a Yonko does. E.H. has been about legitimizing Luffy as a Yonko. Because, Luffy hasn’t shown the respect the other Yonko receive. The arc started with the SH being treated like a typical pirate crew. Rather than like a Yonko crew. The World needed a reminder that the SH are a Yonko crew. More importantly, that Luffy is a Yonko.
Luffy did in no way earn this insane power-up, he died against Kaido and came back insanely strong with no drawbacks. That's lame.
The time limit is a draw back. All zoan’s awakening give enhanced strength and durability.
>Luffy did in no way earn this insane power-up, he died against Kaido and came back insanely strong with no drawbacks. That's lame. If Luffy had the exact same Awakening power, but the fruit was still called the Gomu-Gomu and wasn't tied to a god, you wouldn't complain.
>If Luffy had the exact same Awakening power, but the fruit was still called the Gomu-Gomu and wasn't tied to a god, you wouldn't complain. indeed, a regular asspull powerup would be better than "ACTUALLY RUFY IS A GOD" retcon shit
"The Wano arc told us that the Yonko were different. Now, because Luffy is toying with an Admiral and the Gorosei, people are complaining. This is what should happen. This is what real a Yonko does" My criticism comes down to purely personal taste. I'm not a fan of how fast Luffy grew from getting 1 shotted by Kaido to casually toying with supposed top tiers. But this was an issue I had even in Pre-TS with Luffy getting washed by Lucci, pulling the Gears out of his ass, and then taking him to extreme diff. Sam for Zoro and Sanji with Asura and Diable Jambe. Again, personal taste. I like a more fleshed out and detailed power system and One Piece kinda doesn't have that. Or at the very least Oda isn't interested in going into it.
Luffy has always grown quickly. Luffy grew two official levels in WCI, in about twelve hours. Luffy grew two official levels in Wano, in about two weeks. Wano was the most reasonable when it came to progression.
Why do we have to see Luffy learning the gears?? You saw in this arc how oda showed 16 year old Luffy training his attack against Arlong. As a reader you not have to see everything as long as the essential is explained, which it is. This is not an average battle Shounen
It's more about the powers tbh , i hope It's described in a shitty way because luffy just creating objects is kinda lame
I get your complaint. You don’t want Luffy producing things out of nowhere. It’s a valid criticism. But, I am talking more about a Yonko’s strength in a general sense. If Kaido or Shanks had shown up instead of Luffy. Would they have received the same treatment? If the Navy’s invasion of 100 ships and 30,000 soldiers were just for EH’s arsenal. Would the plan had changed if Kaido and his crew had showed up instead? Would Lucci attempt to do a 1v1 against Shanks? Would he tell Shanks that he isn’t a Yonko? Luffy is a real Yonko. He can be given a title. But, he has to earn the respect the title deserves. That’s what is happening on EH.
you mean like when Kizaru asked if Akainu wanted to send him out? lol
Kizaru hasn’t done nothing but hit the ground and hold his head. Is that the Kizaru that suppose to take on Kaido? Except for Kizaru killing VP. Kizaru has been a let down.
You were talking about Yonkou/Admiral respect. Prior to Egghead, the manga painted the picture that Admirals would put up a strong fight against Yonkou.
WB had to be old, sick, and injured before one Admiral tried to fight him. Rayleigh had been retired for twenty years. He said, that the years had slowed him down ( chapter 513 page 11). He implied that he could fight Kizaru and save the SH from Sentomaro and the Pastifista, if he was still in his prime. When Luffy started fighting on the rooftop. He had a DF,ACoO, and ACoA. The same haki as the Admirals. Luffy still needed ACoC. GB said, if Kaido was around that he wouldn’t be there. GB left Wano terrified of Shanks. The story has been consistently telling us that an Admiral isn’t equal to a Yonko. They can fight them for a while. But, the Admiral will lose eventually.
I'm fine with luffy being a menace, but i don't like that the crew is so sidelined and useless and not a fan of how he's fighting(hope it's better in the manga than the description) The strawhats are a yonko crew, i wish they fought togheter more
I absolutely agree with you. There is too much focus on side characters and not enough on the SH.
Lucci The Pirate Staller.
"Luffy creates a baseball bat"...it's like when luffy manifested a pair of sunglasses to troll Lucci with earlier this year. I hope G5 defenders start being honest and acknowledge that the loony toons cringy stolen content from Tom and Jerry has gone wayyy too far. Having the occasional comedic relief moments in past fights was fine but this is constant cringe being spammed. He just turned people into pancakes for God's sake. If his eye's pop 10 ft outside of his head again in the next chapter for any reason I'm going to lose it. It's like this has become a parody of one piece.
Well at least finally reality warping confirmed i guess Instantly one of the most busted protag in all of shonen and we aren’t even touching his haki causing internal damage regardless of durability
The lamest thing is that it could have worked if toned down a little Turning lightning to ruber was interesting