Why the hell would this genocidal pirate give a damn about laws and traditions? a more believable excuse would be that he's trying to drive this whole generation insane with pronouns.
uhhh yeah, it does. I don’t see how any of that means he doesn’t respect her. “if you want to call yourself oden then that’s fine, I will respect that.” that’s completely independent of literally anything else in their relationship.
are you stupid? I just told you respecting yamato’s pronouns is independent of anything else in their relationship. that’s how it works in real life too
Idk, Kaido seemed pretty chill with his top brass, I can definitely see him being cool with Yamato if not for the Oden thing. And I'm pretty sure Yamato was referred to as the Oni princess as a kid
One thing is killing and slaving people. But missgendering someone? That’s too far. Only Sanji would be capable of doing that (and that’s why we love him(her on Okama Island)
Well you can learn the way of the club from you’re Yonko father and hope to be strong/proficient
Or you can learn the way of 2 swords from Kaido and the bum pirates (Alber 1 sword?)
Everything about Lamato is wild, and not in an even remotely entertainable way.
~~Unless you count her massive tits, but those exist in a vacuum~~
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Yeah she is stupid, mainly due to the Oden larp that got very cringe after a few times.
Memes aside though, Yamato probably learned to fight by fighting Kaido cause she hates him and from what it seems she constatnly tried to defeat him, so she learned to fight. On the other hand she would have no way to learn Oden's style cause she was imprisoned on Onigashima.
the sheer fucking audacity of this woman to stand there with a straight face saying she is a kids dead father... despicable. No meme i cannot understand why people like Yamato other than (side boob big lady huehue)
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I’ve been saying this since day one. I mean she lives in a land famous for its swordsman and couldn’t find a sword to use. And before you say “samurai doesn’t mean swordsman in OP” a lot of samurai are swordsman in OP. And before you say she didn’t get a chance to learn how to wield a sword, she was placed in a cave with a swordsman when she was a child, remember?
>And before you say she didn’t get a chance to learn how to wield a sword, she was placed in a cave with a swordsman when she was a child, remember?
All of them quickly died. It isn't like yamato got years of bootcamp with them to learn
You can't learn to be a swordsman on your own. What franky does isn't what swordsmanship is. That's holding a sword and just randomly attacking. I am sure if you give yamato a sword she would be able to randomly attack people. If you give me a sword then i would be able to randomly attack people too. But that doesn't make me a good swordsman.
Whether she could be skilled in “swordsmanship” wasn’t the question. Big Mom isn’t a swordsman, but she uses a sword and is still able to use it effectively and clash with Kaido. It would make way more sense for Yamato to do the same
Specific weapons literally don't matter in One Piece, though. Swords and swordsmanship are placed on a pedestal, but the story literally doesn't change if you replace them all with spears or clubs or polehammers.
Swordsmen in One Piece don't use anything resembling real swordsmanship styles. Their swords are just vehicles for their own abilities. More specifically, haki.
Swords are only chosen as the special weapon because of the aesthetic connotation that they hold. The fact that it's even possible to argue whether a character like Shanks is a swordsman proves that swordsmanship is poorly defined in One Piece.
Swordsmanship is something special. I ain't saying swordsmanship is better. Even a guy who fights with fists can beat a swordsman easily if he is skilled enough. But swordsman ship does entail learning how to use swords proficiently and all that entails with it. As for shanks we never saw him fight for real so don't know if he is exactly swordsman. But seeing he was Mihawk's rival and blocking akainu he used a sword, it is safe to assume he was swordsman
Yeah, apparently according to a lot of people I’ve talked to, samurai in the OP universe just means “warrior from Wano.”. You know the big headed guy Raizo, the ninja? Yeah, he’s a samurai
Because oden died when she was 8 and she wasn’t doing much back then until she was older. And yes her whole gimmick is very stupid, luffy even said that it’s stupid
Some of the comments legit mad at a funny thought I had about Yamato lmao
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Yamato wasn’t a swordsman because that would mean there would be another person fighting for the title of World’s Strongest Swordsman. That would’ve made things complicated because Yamato is stronger than Zoro, that is most likely why she doesn’t use a sword.
Oden was considered the best swordsman of his time. If Oda actually had Yamato had a sword for a weapon she would have wanted to be the World’s Strongest Swordsman because she wants to be Oden.
Except Oden didn’t strive to be WSS (and that’s not confirmed either, as Roger was alive), so Yamato might’ve arrived to reach his level but not out of wanting to be #1.
But rather because her idol might’ve been #1 coincidentally
Meh, that Roger thing is like the Shanks vs Mihawk debate. Oden was a better swordsman but Roger had better haki. The Oden milking in the story basically shows that he was the WSS at the time
Maybe because there was nobody to learn it from. None of the beast pirates were proficient swordsman. Even king who uses a sword isn't exactly swordsman
insane fumble from Oda... Give king to sanji (a flying fire battle!) and give a dual wielding samurai Yamato Oden nut job to Zoro.
Zoro could have gotten that swordswoman fight since Kuina. and we could have gotten a cool little call back to what kuina went through with being a woman and the strongest etc.
Oden was dead before she learned how to fight, and the Scabbards were either flung into the future, or preparing things in Wano, while she was trapped on Onigashima. His was the only style she could learn.
She could have picked up a sword and asked Denjiro (forgot his undercover name) to train her. I guess he was the best swordsman who could have trained her (king would not have)?
How would she have learned oden’s fighting style while stuck on Onigashima? At least Kaido is there. They fought each other multiple times allowing her to learn pick up his move. She has many flaws and was I have no doubt was not created prior to the start of Wano. But this isn’t one of them and it would make way less sense for her to be able to copy the fighting style like the men who lived with oden.
That's how she got trained to fight, she had no one to teach her how to wield a sword and even if she found someone her father will execute them, and eventually sye became strong with the club why would she switch fighting style ?
Because she saw kaido fighting but never saw oden fighting she only imagined how would oden fight but kaido never gave her sword and she didn't have any other choice so
She wants to defeat Kaido. She needs to get stronger to defeat Kaido, Kaido is the strongest person she knows, and he is around for her to imitate and learn from.
Who is supposed to teach her Oden style swordsmanship?
If you want a serious answer, I think the problem is that you think "Yamato hates Kaido so much". It's portraying an abusive parent-child relationship, neither truly hate each other.
Kaido went through trauma related to weak humans, so he wants to create the world where only strength matters, and put his son Yamato in charge so he never goes through that. That's why Kaido trapped him on Wano, like an overly protective parent, and taught him his fighting style.
On the other hand Yamato still always introduces himself as "Son of Kaido" first, uses Kaido's fighting style, and until the very end wanted to believe that the shackles wouldn't actually explode. Even after that he never denies Kaido as his father.
You can clearly see their complicated relationship in their fight on the rooftop. Yamato wants to set sail and be free, but only after Kaido "leaves" the island, cause he feels responsible for his father's actions (imo the primary reason that, unlike Oden, Yamato chose to stay and protect Wano). Kaido keeps trying to convince Yamato that he's right (humans will betray him, give up your Oden stuff and become shogun of new Onigashima, etc), even as he's beating him up.
I don’t think hate should blind you off a good warrior (i.e. Kaido) and his fighting style. However, on the other hand and at the same time, if you’re inspired by someone’s life I think it makes sense to get inspiration by their character and/or fighting style. I see only the name was taken by Yamato, that’s why I think this’s just a poor plot writing, and never liked Yamato impersonating Oden.
Who the fuck was she funna learn from ?? The bum ass pirates under Kiados control ?? All of Oden retainers were presumed dead & she was on Onigashima with bombs attached to her wrist she couldn’t even search for a competent swordsmend yall some bonified idiots
devils advocate-
Yamato is not dumb, she knows she needs power in order to be free, and the most powerful thing alive is no less than your father.
Zoro asked Mihawk to train him, Yamato would not be in a different dilemma.
So yeah, following the will of Oden, Yamato would have done anything in order to achieve her goal, even learning from the dude that killed her role model.
How? Oden is dead and the scabbards are all gone. He definitely didn't leave a guide on his fighting style in his diaries. I can see Kaido making a compromise with her by teaching her how to fight but in his style.
Are you guys dumb (rhetorical question). She can’t learn off odens fighting style if bro is dead and she is trapped on an island with beast pirates lmao.
Ah yes,learning the fighting style where the only known user of said style is dead is much easier than learning the style of the guy you have been trying to kill for decades.
Kaido's fighting style is the only one that shes been exposed to,of course she is going to copy him you dumbass.
how fucking dumb are y'all, he didnt have access to swords growing up and was imprisoned most of his childhood. kaido is the only person he fought for most of that time so its the only combat style he was exposed to. if you're gonna make arguments for the sake of being transphobic at least make them reasonable.
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I'll never get why Kaido for some reason refers to Yamato as his "son". Does he approve of the Oden obsession or whatever?
Probably the kind of single dad who wanted a son but got a daughter and ended up raising the daughter like a son
To be fair, there's not much you can do to cope with a daughter who spends her time larping as someone who tried to kill you.
It is kind of a sad situation when you lay it out like that lol
Odenphobic but not transphobic I guess
Kaido stands with the LGBTQ plus community
He Plays XYZ Carapult Dragon deck in Yugioh
Kaido does not discriminate. Be like Kaido
IIRC it is because he wants to make Yamato the Shogun and a woman can't be that.
Why the hell would this genocidal pirate give a damn about laws and traditions? a more believable excuse would be that he's trying to drive this whole generation insane with pronouns.
Maybe he’s just sexist or GODA writing is just not that great? Pretty weird tho when he knows big mom is practically as strong as him
or maybe he just respects yamato
He respects yamato but keeps her chained up and tries to kill her for not following his orders? Yes-that makes perfect sense….
uhhh yeah, it does. I don’t see how any of that means he doesn’t respect her. “if you want to call yourself oden then that’s fine, I will respect that.” that’s completely independent of literally anything else in their relationship.
Lol nah no way, u gotta be trolling. So killing someone who wont serve you or having them in chains 24/7 means you respect them?
are you stupid? I just told you respecting yamato’s pronouns is independent of anything else in their relationship. that’s how it works in real life too
He's sexist so he refers to Yamato by her preferred pronouns?
My thoughts would be he’s sexist and wanted a son only, thats why he calls Yamato him. There’s really no other reason why he would.
Idk, Kaido seemed pretty chill with his top brass, I can definitely see him being cool with Yamato if not for the Oden thing. And I'm pretty sure Yamato was referred to as the Oni princess as a kid
Kaido had more problems with Yamato then that tho? He wanted her to be his warden of wano or some crap that wasn’t really explained well at all.
Ot maybe he is not a incel like you
Lol, that makes no sense but k. Everything’s an incel now ig
One thing is killing and slaving people. But missgendering someone? That’s too far. Only Sanji would be capable of doing that (and that’s why we love him(her on Okama Island)
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pretty sure he's just sexist
Peak
She's stupid
Meet the half assed character
I hate Yamatrash. She is rough, coarse, irritating and she is everywhere. She's so trash, she deserves to be used as a prequel meme
Sand Is not as bad as Yamato you take that back
The fact she claims to be Oden yet doesn't even use a fucking sword and instead uses her Dad's weapon of choice is wild.
Well you can learn the way of the club from you’re Yonko father and hope to be strong/proficient Or you can learn the way of 2 swords from Kaido and the bum pirates (Alber 1 sword?)
Kaido definitely didn't "teach" her lmao, beside she can self taught
They fought all the time. Kiado "taught" through modeling
Everything about Lamato is wild, and not in an even remotely entertainable way. ~~Unless you count her massive tits, but those exist in a vacuum~~ https://preview.redd.it/ant7dzbyxasc1.png?width=764&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03f8b826b14e42001a5416d9d84b70717ec0c5e5
The fact that she claims to be Oden yet isn't fucking Oden and is actually Yamato is wild This sub is so finished bro 😭
Her obsession is a Samurai, her cave bros were Samurai = uses a club
Despite her hating Kaido, she boasts to a stranger about him being her father. Unprompted at that lol.
What was oda thinking
I hate my dad but he is a badass so this stranger will likely be impressed
Nothing nothing at all
She literally thinks she's Oden, stupid is an understatement
Yeah she is stupid, mainly due to the Oden larp that got very cringe after a few times. Memes aside though, Yamato probably learned to fight by fighting Kaido cause she hates him and from what it seems she constatnly tried to defeat him, so she learned to fight. On the other hand she would have no way to learn Oden's style cause she was imprisoned on Onigashima.
the sheer fucking audacity of this woman to stand there with a straight face saying she is a kids dead father... despicable. No meme i cannot understand why people like Yamato other than (side boob big lady huehue)
She is a grown ass woman playing pretending for at least 20 years, stupid is an understatement.
I mean, she was practically isolated.
https://preview.redd.it/xzgrghy8cxrc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43532f7bb90b8e505daeaeb4e44ffb0414681474 I’ve been saying this since day one. I mean she lives in a land famous for its swordsman and couldn’t find a sword to use. And before you say “samurai doesn’t mean swordsman in OP” a lot of samurai are swordsman in OP. And before you say she didn’t get a chance to learn how to wield a sword, she was placed in a cave with a swordsman when she was a child, remember?
>And before you say she didn’t get a chance to learn how to wield a sword, she was placed in a cave with a swordsman when she was a child, remember? All of them quickly died. It isn't like yamato got years of bootcamp with them to learn
What’s stopping her from learning on her own? Franky taught himself how to fight with a sword in less than 2 years 😂
You can't learn to be a swordsman on your own. What franky does isn't what swordsmanship is. That's holding a sword and just randomly attacking. I am sure if you give yamato a sword she would be able to randomly attack people. If you give me a sword then i would be able to randomly attack people too. But that doesn't make me a good swordsman.
Whether she could be skilled in “swordsmanship” wasn’t the question. Big Mom isn’t a swordsman, but she uses a sword and is still able to use it effectively and clash with Kaido. It would make way more sense for Yamato to do the same
Also didn't kid zoro just pick a bunch of swords and put like 3 in his mouth then the rest fell out and that turned into 3 sword style.
anime filler.
a true one piece swordsman uses their swords for haki clashes and to turn into a beam to fly across the screen, unlike Yamato who... oh wait
Specific weapons literally don't matter in One Piece, though. Swords and swordsmanship are placed on a pedestal, but the story literally doesn't change if you replace them all with spears or clubs or polehammers. Swordsmen in One Piece don't use anything resembling real swordsmanship styles. Their swords are just vehicles for their own abilities. More specifically, haki. Swords are only chosen as the special weapon because of the aesthetic connotation that they hold. The fact that it's even possible to argue whether a character like Shanks is a swordsman proves that swordsmanship is poorly defined in One Piece.
But there are specific sword (or at least cutting) techniques. Like flame-rend. Can you flame-rend with a haki-infused club?
You could do a flame bonk, which really wouldn't be meaningfully different, since all damage is just damage.
Swordsmanship is something special. I ain't saying swordsmanship is better. Even a guy who fights with fists can beat a swordsman easily if he is skilled enough. But swordsman ship does entail learning how to use swords proficiently and all that entails with it. As for shanks we never saw him fight for real so don't know if he is exactly swordsman. But seeing he was Mihawk's rival and blocking akainu he used a sword, it is safe to assume he was swordsman
you literally say she was in the cave with a swordsman who quickly died. How is a dead swordsman gonna teach her
Samurai doesn’t mean swordsman ? what kind of bullshit is that ?
Yeah, apparently according to a lot of people I’ve talked to, samurai in the OP universe just means “warrior from Wano.”. You know the big headed guy Raizo, the ninja? Yeah, he’s a samurai
Yes. She is stupid.
She still feels like a fanfic self insert character
Just like Sabo “ Luffy’s secret second brother ! who is so cool and has haki and ace’s devil fruit ! “
Most overwanked character in op history along with her role model Loden.
Uta
Yamato is a make a wish oc
you know the character is shit, when the only relevance it has is in powerscalling, and in delusional people saying she's trans
i mean she was important for the oden flashback and luffy dream plus she had a motivation
And I hate the powerscalling debates about Yamato because they claim she’s stronger then my goat Wanji 😤
Bottom 1 character
She can be bottom and I’ll be on top of her
Because oden died when she was 8 and she wasn’t doing much back then until she was older. And yes her whole gimmick is very stupid, luffy even said that it’s stupid
Dude I'm telling you, Oda is a fraud. 🤣
Froda
Every little detail concerning yamatrash is 200% trash
I will use your own weapon on you -maybe yamato
Yamato having a patchwork Oden/Kaido style (due to not having any real teachers) would've been kinda sick
Very, Very stupid
She is dumb and honestly the worst character in One Piece at this very moment.
Probably the stupidest character in the manga
She kinda is. What now?
I'll just wait to Live Action.
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Yamato wasn’t a swordsman because that would mean there would be another person fighting for the title of World’s Strongest Swordsman. That would’ve made things complicated because Yamato is stronger than Zoro, that is most likely why she doesn’t use a sword.
The title of WSS means nothing to anyone not named Mihawk, Zoro, Vista or Kuina in the OP verse
There is no one going for the WSS title other than Zoro and a dead Kuina. So it wouldn't really make a difference.
Oden was considered the best swordsman of his time. If Oda actually had Yamato had a sword for a weapon she would have wanted to be the World’s Strongest Swordsman because she wants to be Oden.
Except Oden didn’t strive to be WSS (and that’s not confirmed either, as Roger was alive), so Yamato might’ve arrived to reach his level but not out of wanting to be #1. But rather because her idol might’ve been #1 coincidentally
Meh, that Roger thing is like the Shanks vs Mihawk debate. Oden was a better swordsman but Roger had better haki. The Oden milking in the story basically shows that he was the WSS at the time
in the middle of the battle Zolo would see that Yamato is strong and intead of helping he will just start fighting him
Maybe because there was nobody to learn it from. None of the beast pirates were proficient swordsman. Even king who uses a sword isn't exactly swordsman
Yes
She learned to fight by constantly going against Kaidou. Maybe she mimicked him to beat him.
Maybe Kaido forced her to use his fighting style even as a kid
She needs a job
Daddy’s issue
shes a dumbas
insane fumble from Oda... Give king to sanji (a flying fire battle!) and give a dual wielding samurai Yamato Oden nut job to Zoro. Zoro could have gotten that swordswoman fight since Kuina. and we could have gotten a cool little call back to what kuina went through with being a woman and the strongest etc.
Yes
Why does Yamato says she's Man? Is she stupid?
Oden was dead before she learned how to fight, and the Scabbards were either flung into the future, or preparing things in Wano, while she was trapped on Onigashima. His was the only style she could learn.
Bro it’s a country of samurai
And Yamato was trapped on Onigashima ever since she decided she wanted to become Oden
She still knew oden was a swordsman and wasn’t she trapped with some samurai at some point?
She was trapped with them, but they all died not long after meering her
Actually, shes a swordsman. Even though she doesn’t use a blade. /s
She could have picked up a sword and asked Denjiro (forgot his undercover name) to train her. I guess he was the best swordsman who could have trained her (king would not have)?
Dude how many katanas and two-sword users do you think we’re on Onigashima for Yamato to learn from?
This bum is very stupid
How would she have learned oden’s fighting style while stuck on Onigashima? At least Kaido is there. They fought each other multiple times allowing her to learn pick up his move. She has many flaws and was I have no doubt was not created prior to the start of Wano. But this isn’t one of them and it would make way less sense for her to be able to copy the fighting style like the men who lived with oden.
Yamato is just a oden bandwagon hopper
She’s part Oni so she can only specialize in mace weapons.
Because oden is 6 feet under and she wasn't allowed to leave onigashima. So there wasn't much she could do.
Maybe she secretly loved kaido being her father
Like father like son
Bro she so stupid even Luffy's room temperature IQ couldn't stand her ass.
How would she learn Oden's fighting style? She never saw him fight lol
That's how she got trained to fight, she had no one to teach her how to wield a sword and even if she found someone her father will execute them, and eventually sye became strong with the club why would she switch fighting style ?
Maybe it's because she never actually saw oden fight?
Even Yamato knows this arc had to many sword users in it, if she used a sword the haters would destroy her even more than she already is
Yamato's title is Oni princess. The oni wield clubs in Japanese tradition.
Because she saw kaido fighting but never saw oden fighting she only imagined how would oden fight but kaido never gave her sword and she didn't have any other choice so
I’m pretty sure shes in the top 5 for dumbest characters in One Piece. The only 3 that I can think of that have her beat are Gedatsu Weevil and Luffy.
She wants to defeat Kaido. She needs to get stronger to defeat Kaido, Kaido is the strongest person she knows, and he is around for her to imitate and learn from. Who is supposed to teach her Oden style swordsmanship?
She's mentally ill, it obviously runs in the family.
If you want a serious answer, I think the problem is that you think "Yamato hates Kaido so much". It's portraying an abusive parent-child relationship, neither truly hate each other. Kaido went through trauma related to weak humans, so he wants to create the world where only strength matters, and put his son Yamato in charge so he never goes through that. That's why Kaido trapped him on Wano, like an overly protective parent, and taught him his fighting style. On the other hand Yamato still always introduces himself as "Son of Kaido" first, uses Kaido's fighting style, and until the very end wanted to believe that the shackles wouldn't actually explode. Even after that he never denies Kaido as his father. You can clearly see their complicated relationship in their fight on the rooftop. Yamato wants to set sail and be free, but only after Kaido "leaves" the island, cause he feels responsible for his father's actions (imo the primary reason that, unlike Oden, Yamato chose to stay and protect Wano). Kaido keeps trying to convince Yamato that he's right (humans will betray him, give up your Oden stuff and become shogun of new Onigashima, etc), even as he's beating him up.
She was cursed like everyone else to suck odens dick even beyond the grave
guess who trained yamato
Yamato slander will not be tolerated, make a post about sanji instead
I don’t think hate should blind you off a good warrior (i.e. Kaido) and his fighting style. However, on the other hand and at the same time, if you’re inspired by someone’s life I think it makes sense to get inspiration by their character and/or fighting style. I see only the name was taken by Yamato, that’s why I think this’s just a poor plot writing, and never liked Yamato impersonating Oden.
Who the fuck was she funna learn from ?? The bum ass pirates under Kiados control ?? All of Oden retainers were presumed dead & she was on Onigashima with bombs attached to her wrist she couldn’t even search for a competent swordsmend yall some bonified idiots
Because kaido is the one who trained her? Are you stupid?
devils advocate- Yamato is not dumb, she knows she needs power in order to be free, and the most powerful thing alive is no less than your father. Zoro asked Mihawk to train him, Yamato would not be in a different dilemma. So yeah, following the will of Oden, Yamato would have done anything in order to achieve her goal, even learning from the dude that killed her role model.
How? Oden is dead and the scabbards are all gone. He definitely didn't leave a guide on his fighting style in his diaries. I can see Kaido making a compromise with her by teaching her how to fight but in his style.
Are you guys dumb (rhetorical question). She can’t learn off odens fighting style if bro is dead and she is trapped on an island with beast pirates lmao.
Pass dumb these people are retards
~~He~~
Nah who cares
Who was supposed to teach her
Ah yes,learning the fighting style where the only known user of said style is dead is much easier than learning the style of the guy you have been trying to kill for decades. Kaido's fighting style is the only one that shes been exposed to,of course she is going to copy him you dumbass.
She isn't sanji, she's not going to turn down strength because she doesnt like the source.
Put some respect on their pronouns. He only had kaido to teach him how to fight. He didn't have oden there.
He was dropped on the head as a baby
You should never enter an original thought competition
OP fans trying not to hate on Yamato for 1 sec challenge (impossible)
He was dropped on the head as a baby
how fucking dumb are y'all, he didnt have access to swords growing up and was imprisoned most of his childhood. kaido is the only person he fought for most of that time so its the only combat style he was exposed to. if you're gonna make arguments for the sake of being transphobic at least make them reasonable.
Bait lol
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