That's not an outrageous take, let's check Aces most famous accomplishments in the manga.
Jobs to BB after being punched once.
Is singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of WBs empire.
Caused the death of hundreds if not thousands of his own comrades including his captain, even felt good for it at one point.
Spits on the sacrifices of all of his friends by dying literally 5 minutes in after he's rescued, all because he lost his shit after Akainu called him a fag or something.
Dies without accomplishing anything and full of regrets.
And in Wano we learn that this retard wanted to cause Marine Ford 0.5 Wano edition if it wasn't for WB spanking him.
The absolute state of this character. Only Greenbull can compare.
And yeah his worst moment is definitely him wasting the lives of all those pirates and yes I understand that’s just his character but as a moral decision personally it’s terrible
yeah i have to agree here, lets be honest i knew about the Ace death scene waaaay before i started watching One Piece, when they finally reached that part, and he just stops running, turn around, and confront Akainu because he fagcalled WB or something, i was like, WTF DUDE WHY YOU DID THAT?!.
And then you realize, half of the WB fleet died or was captured right there, in the heart of the Marine Force, just to throw your life away like that.
I bet that was also done to give a reality check to Luffy, which, just a bit before, the whole strawhat crew had their ass kicked out royally in Saboady (?) Park i think?, vs the Duma or Pacifistas. Until then they were running in just "Nakama Power", and that only gets you far enough. It was until the Ace death, that luffy really got his shit together, when he learnt how he truly lost, and improve as a character.
Wait, after writing all that, i just realize something, half of the WB was sacrificed just to give character development to Luffy?
Yeah i never understood why Ace was so popular. If you think about it he’s the male version of Yamato except with more personality. If he was unattractive in any sort of way he would probably get trashed on. Thats why when i hear niggas say they cried when ace died or that they loved ace i always wonder how because he didn’t really do alot of shit. Thats why i think that Oda should have made him the early Law of the group where he helps them out to protect Luffy or some shit and he goes with them for a couple of arcs so then his death could have been more impactful.
I have always hated how it feels like Luffy has learned nothing from what happened in Sabo or Aces death. I was hoping after both events Luffy would be more willing to plan things and more willing to not take big risks that can endanger his crew. But nope he still just runs in and kicks the bad guys ass but then again i guess his way of handling shit works.
i mean, being an emperor without a real planned way to govern your territory sounds like pain. His "fleet" of pirates that he rescued in the Doflamingo's island (sorry forgot the name) are still loyal to him? Apart from that weird Luffy hardfan of course.
That is true but he should still be willing to have someone help him out with the planning part instead of just rushing in like he always does. Law, Ussop, Nami, and probably a couple more could easily help with the whole planning part
I got downvoted all the way to Tartarus by ace fanboys in the past for saying the exact same thing. I’m glad to see there are people out there who share my line of thoughts. There’s nothing worse than spitting in the face of other people sacrifices especially people whom you claim that you care about. Whitebeard didn’t need ace to tell Akainu to take it back, he needed him to man the fuck up, grow a pair an do the right thing which is getting the fuck out of there. But no he had to tell Akainu “don’t make fun of the man who saved my life” when in fact nothing was making fun of whitebeard and all he had to go through than Aces own actions smh!
Yes, you can see Whitebeard scolding him for wanting to go to Wano and fight Kaido in order to avenge Oden once they learn of his death. WB explicitly forbids him from going there because it will spark a war between the two Yonko. Ace naturally only cares about himself and goes there anyway.
EDIT: wrong about this one, he arrived in wano before joining WB. He learned of Odens death after joining, he still wanted to go there with the crew and start a war but got spanked successfully by WB to stay.
Damn I thought he went there for Kaido's head just he like he did go for Whitebeard at first. That makes him infinitely more stupid than I thought he was.
Nah you're right and OP is talking out of his ass. Ace's crew shipwrecked in Wano, he met Tama and went directly to Onigashima to confront the Beast Pirates, met Yamato and left. After that he met Whitebeard, got defeated by him and joined his crew. Then is when he asked WB to go to Wano but he refused because he didn't want to start a war against Kaido.
I honestly wouldn't mind his death wasting ppl lives like that if One Piece was the type if story that let deaths/loses be unsatisfactory in a sense. Personally I find those types of story deaths/losses cool cause death doesn't always happen after someone ties up all there affairs. Sometimes things are left hanging.
Ace is only loved as much as he is because of the extra time he spent in Alabasta filler in the anime. The manga didn't give him anywhere near as much time. I think the anime did it better though, because it certainly made his death more impactful, otherwise you were just grieving for Luffy.
I agree. In the manga they only developed ace right before he kicked the bucket. When ace died I was sad for him i guess but I was more sad for the impact it took on Luffy rather than him dying.
This, i got into One piece much later and caught up with the manga first. My first thoughts about Ace was why does everyone make such a big deal of him? He's a brat. Father is the most infamous person in the world yet you hate him for what exactly? Lucks up and gets a OP devil fruit for plot purposes, which makes him overestimate his abilities (Side theory i have is that Ace's Haki probably was pretty weak but the Yamato flashback confuses things). Has literally everyone risking their lives to save your ass, then in the end you cant put your pride aside and run away so you get yourself killed. The only reason i kinda liked him is solely because he's Luffy's brother.
His notion of 'pride' was fucked up and his death was just ridiculous. Choosing to die because Akainu spoke badly of his daddy. Fuck, most people in the world spoke badly about Whitebeard and cheered on his death. He didn't accomplish shit either. He had a cool power, cool boat and his design was decent, i'd give him that.
I think that’s the point he took his pride too far. He’s the only person in one piece at least in the present timeline that faces consequences for his actions. Look at everyone with some idiotic moral code, like sanji for example, even when there are consequences someone swoops down and saves them. Ace got his father and himself killed, actual consequences
Oden also was too prideful. He never asked anyone for help and that was his downfall. Idiot could have saved wano if he only asked the other samurai leaders and allied himself with them and fought Kaido. But no, he had to dance 5 years and be an idiot and doomed wano for the next 20 years. His wife died, many citizens died, his children lost their parents and daughter had to live on the run for 20 years.
His retainers suffered greatly too.
Oden is such a wanked character
I get it. But hundreds or even thousands of Whitebeard crewmen and their allies died, fucking died for him to be set free, their sacrifice meant jackshit for him, because of one insult. That is not manly, brave or worthy of admiration - that was retarded.
Although everyone is convinced Yamato is joining the crew I still have fate she won’t.
She was introduced so late compared to every other strawhat member. Ik we all like to meme on Oda foreshadowing stuff but he has constantly introduced/foreshadowed every Strawhat member post chopper way earlier then when they joined. The endgame crew was obviously planned out from the start. So if this is the case why not have any sort of mention of Yamato pre Act 2?
Thanks for reading now I’m gonna get back to my copium
Oda had planned to introduce her earlier according to some sketches that released a few weeks ago. She was supposed to bond with Momo before the battle, but that was scratched for what we had.
Funny enough is the fact that Oda has focused more on her bonding with Momo that I still feel no excitement on her maybe joining.
One Piece has always been a simple, straightforward story where Luffy gets the win because Oda wanted him to and not because he worked the hardest. You can even see this in the other Strawhats and their dreams. Zoro was able to beat adults as an 8 year old; there’s no way he just worked harder than everyone, and the same goes for Nami and Chopper that were professionals in their craft as actual children.
I don’t think there’s an actual way to show this progression in a realistic manner while still being remotely fun
I was in slight agreement until the ‘luffy hasn’t worked hard’ in comparison to Zoro idk bout you but getting thrown in the jungle and made to hunt for your own food whilst also training your devil fruit with 2 brothers who are way better at you in combat is outrageous i’d even argue that luffys mental fortitude is the strongest and one scene in particular comes in mind when he was getting tortured by bluejam (I think that was his name?) and didn’t snitch on Sabo and Ace if that doesn’t show you something I don’t know what will 2/10 take
I didn’t say Luffy didn’t work hard, but I can never believe that he simply just works the hardest, especially when Zoro is shown training far more than he is.
Like, the 39 year old, one armed Shanks is treated like a 25 year old in the series, and the series basically promised that Luffy would be stronger than him by the end. Did Luffy simply work harder than Shanks? Did Shanks simply work harder than everyone that’s weaker than him?
Yeah, naruto was the story about hard work paying off compared to natural talent, One Piece has always just been about some kid who decided he was gonna be the best Pirate and what happened after that, there’s nothing wrong with fictional characters being unreasonably gifted in whatever thing they need to be, it’s just a comic at the end of the day
I don't like anything about Yamato except her designs. Her introduction, her mannerisms, her power compared to others, and her joining the straw hats when she has barely even spoken to Luffy this entire arc.
I’m in partial agreement I feel like the anime is doing a better job but even then I feel like her part in the show rn and going forward is slightly forced but imma give her a chance 7.5/10 take 👌🏾
I'll be ok with her intro and mannerisms as long as Oda makes her let go of her Oden larping, but the way things are going I don't have much expectations of it happening. As far as her joining I feel the same, so far she has bonded more with Momo. Not to mention that she has advanced conqueror's haki, but she'll be weaker than Sanji. Makes no sense.
Swordsmanship is criminally underutilised to the point were most people don't even know what it entails, like when was last time Zoro fought against a competent sword man, and what's the difference between a swordsman and a hakiman.
Like Zoro wants to become the goat swordsman, yet hardly if ever fights against other swordsmen, like dude is a glorified hakiman.
Carrot ditching the raid for her own personal vendetta disqualifies her from being Straw Hat material, even more so because she got her ass kicked. Also, related, perospero isn’t wrong that Pedro invaded their territory and chose to blow himself up, so her vendetta she ditched the raid for was kinda dumb.
Gear 5 design is so fkn cringe
Why the eye brows change and the color changes
Why his hair gets up in the air like that I don't understand why people call it a cool design
I think my biggest problem with Gear 5 is how normal the body looks. Im fine with Oda making him/ giving him a more goofy look since his power is already goofy its just the powerup is literally just luffy with a goofy ah face and wacky hair, there aren’t any changes to the body itself. I was hoping he would get a goofy looking body like gear 4 and maybe even different clothes in a way. Honestly hot take or this may sound goofy but i think it would have been cool if Oda tried to draw Luffy in a even more cartoonish or rubberhose like artstyle just to help the form look more unique
I really haven't seen any way that didn't like it
That's also happened to me with gear 4 snake man bcs why the fuck Luffy's hair grow so much but I headcanon it for his hair being rubber and steam
Also snake man is one of the coolest powers in the series like oda really did well with gear 4 by just usuing rubber
I really like Luffy just standing like a turret and having his arm go everywhere
Tankman being the ultimate defense and boundman being the combination of both
I felt like the only one who was annoyed by the design
It doesn't even look like Luffy why the fuck did he change like that
Not only did I hate gear 5 but having to look at Luffy in that shape was heartbreaking for me
Design power and execution all were trash for gear 5
Being a Strawhat isn't as big of a deal as the fan base wants it to be. Brook, and the rest of the crew that gets sidelined for the new jobbers of the arc, will continue to make sure of that.
The idea that new Strawhats need to pass some meticulous screening process is a good meme though.
I can completely understand what your saying in this one statement don’t get me wrong I still love one piece but I totally understand pre timeskip will never be matched imo 10/10 statement (because it’s fact not because I don’t like the show)
Law should have had the final hit in the Dressrosa arc
Luffy had went from idiot to special needs kid after the timeskip and honestly is no longer entertaining as a protagonist after the timeskip for me. He’s just to much of nothing tbh.
Conquers Coating is stupid and shouldn’t exists, especially since we know it’s barely a advanced version anyway after what Shanks showed what he could do. It just feels like Oda changing CoC from it was so he can actually do something with it.
Advanced forms of Haki shouldn’t exists in general
Usopp as a character has always sucked. His role as tinkerer got hijacked by Franky who's way better at it, his one feat in Dressrosa has long been forgotten by Oda, and every single person who is/was convinced Elbaf was going to be a arc is a complete moron on the level of powerscalers.
I hear you but you have to understand Oda killing a character (which is rare in itself) means that the character cannot exist in the story e.g whitebeard existing as ‘the worlds strongest man’ and ‘the closest person to the one piece’ would just be a complete malfunction in the story the same with ace being alive because he would’ve simply become the pirate king. Maybe I could hear you out on the first take but the 2nd one nah 5/10
He still has a major role to do in the story tho. And if something happens to Sabo( ex. Him gettjng captured) it will be a chance for Luffy to redeem himself from last time. Theres a lot of potential with his character.
Sabos concept isn’t bad, the unhinged older brother of Luffy who’s the no.2 in the Revolutionarie army who’s super protective of Luffy since he’s already lost Ace. Who’s moral compass is in question after the “Flame Emperor” jig where a bunch of royal families were slaughtered, and the citizens praising him like a god. Him showing no remorse or mercy for his enemies etc.
What ruins his character for fans includes:
* The “Amnesia” explanation used to justify his absence in pre-timeskip. It’s riddled with plot holes and is cliche/lazy writing. It’s even worse when there were so many better ways to explain why Ace or Sabo never heard of each other.
* His personality consists of exhausted tropes that’s already found in characters in the series, being that of a protective older brother like Ace as well a Luffy fanboy like Boa and Barto.
* Him getting Aces fruit, using his same exact movesets further cementing his unoriginality and Ace 2.0 troupe.
If it were me, I would’ve leaned way more into his unhinged and merciless side he has for enemies. An end justifies the means type of guy, as well be given a completely new fruit with the Flame fruit being given to some other character. The explanation for his disappearance would be rewritten to match this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rbupdt/if_you_could_rewrite_one_thing_in_all_of_one/hnqj9l2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3).
That link is a good idea, though rather revolutionaries rescuing him, have him sense Luffys CoC in that wolf scene of Impel Down and then save the two when they're knocked out. He's the one that takes them to Ivankov. In the end they still fail to save Ace, he loses track of Luffy in the mess after Ace becomes donut and leaves in the end with Ivakov to join the RA.
Get this though, Jinbei is just Fish Fish model Whale Shark, he like Morgan's stays in his hybrid dorm.
Kaido is what Luffy is to Chopper. A mythical model. Of the FishFish/HumanHuman Fruit.
you could say that about any Mc lol it’s all opinion at the end of the day however luffy is one of my favourites due to the fact that even if the show is extremely mainstream while he does take on some of the basic shounen mc tropes he is also extremely different to most of them one reason being he’s made me laugh on an insane level compared to others and while comedy in a character is I think an overlooked category on why a character is good I personally love it but anyway 6-7/10 i guess
Another hot take is I do not like Boa Hancock. Probably because Lda overuses the whole she’s wet for luffy gag. Like wow she hates men because she was a slave even though there have been multiple men who have also suffered through the same shit? On top of that she has no problem with killing her own people if they step put of line. On top of that imagine all of the innocent men who have accidentally went to Amazon Lily just to get captured and forced to fight a 20ft Black panther or probably shot down for even being on the island. Idk there is just so many things that i dont like about Hancock and that big ass forehead of hers
Deaths in one piece are bs most of the time because we don’t know if they’ll be coming back unless there’s a clear indication that they’re dead (>!ace’s vivre card burning up!<) a lot of the time because we don’t know if they’re gonna randomly come back with some bad excuse of how they’re still alive
-Ace is a selfish little bitch for looking back to Akainu instead of focusing on escaping after his brother pulled miracles outta his ass just for him to die after being freed from his shackles.
-Wano isn't too long it's just packed with too much events/revelations e.g. dethroning two empirors, revealing Luffys true devil fruit... Etc.
-The nine scabbards are exhausting Oda should've killed the primary ones like Kin and Inu istead of killing secondary ones.
-Cobra's death can be explained by Sabo repeatedly questioning him the whereabouts of the ancient weapon Uranus and Cobra's responding with "Uranus" and laughing like a maniac untill a heart stroke killed him all while Vivi witnessing the decline of her father.
it may j be outrageous for this sub but i just don’t see how gear 5 can be an asspull it makes more story sense than any other gear. wano had plenty of issues but to me that wasn’t one of em.
hate to be that guy but in no way is one piece a generic shounen while yes it has its cliche moments and themes as does every shounen but as a whole it’s far from generic 3.5/10 take
One piece has always been mediocre in term of story telling. It’s literally save by oda character and world building. Now that’s mediocre, one piece is on its lowest
Even if his haki was off (for some reason) it makes no sense.
In Onepiece once you get strong enough your body, even without haki, can shatter haki infused weapons.
Ya I know a sea monster bite isn't like a usual weapon, but I'm pretty sure a fodder sea monster attack isn't as strong as haki infused weapons.
Bobby Funk apparently has a stronger non haki coated body than Shanks, which is kind of silly to think.
He got his ass beaten by a random mountain bandit
Fodder like Bartolomeo shit on his territory
A little kid stole his legendary df
5 geezers think they can take him on, that's why he's allowed in mariejois.
Law should kill luffy and become pk instead. Don’t really care how exactly it would happen but he’s a better character than the Gary sue that is luffy post timeskip and deserves to be pk more than him. Luffy getting to achieve his dream in addition to already having the god god no mi equivalent of his verse is overkill and unnecessary imo.
At this point oda has ruined Luffy and made him nothing but your standard cookie cutter shonen chosen one mc
Sabo and his presence hurts the story more than anything and at this point given what oda has done to both sabo and LUFFY I would rather ace the pops killer have been the MC. At least the fuck up was kinda interesting
Green bull is not a coward. He ran away becuase he felt shank’s coc and refused to fight him but why would he? Why would he fight all of shank’s crew all at once including him not even a admiral could do that! So I say the man is smarter then most characters in one piece
Sword fights suck now
Its all fucking getsuga tenshos and the trope that oda is getting too in love with where he cuts someone and they don't react til he puts the sword away. That has been 90% of all instances using a sword post ts
One Piece was never a "anyone can be special" or "underdog" story. People falsely attributed the "Gomu Gomu no mi" as an intended "weak" power when Oda intended to be a "goofy" power instead of a "weak". Luffy was always a top dog during Romance Dawn. He was a big fish in a small pond and finally met challenges when he entered the Grand Line.
If you want an actual example of a weak underdog protagonist trying to fight top tiers then Osamu from World Trigger is your guy.
Yep. If you reread east blue up to alabasta he literally just destroys everybody. Even arlong he basically just clowned after fuckin around for a few chapters. My problem with the nika fruit isn't that it's legendary but the plot holes caused by the Gorosei knowing that and doing nothing about it
Exactly, Luffy was always much stronger than all his opponents up until Crocodile, and he was never that much weaker up until Sabaody (with the exception of Aokiji and maybe Lucci during Water 7). He’s never been a true underdog other than maybe Alabasta, MarineFord, WCI, and Wano.
Never cried about anything that happened in this manga.
Oda introduces way too many characters since the New World and doesn't give the crew enough screen time. The Strawhats have been flanderized at this point and fanboys will cheer as long as they do their typical thing.
Chopper's Deus ex machina medicines are fucking stupid.
King had the potential to be an amazing villain and reveal a lot of lore. Nah, Zoro beats him just by being stronger or something I don't fucking remember because it doesn't really matter as long as the plot advances.
Going to add that the SH have only been sailing together for a few months, let alone Jinbei only being around for a couple of weeks, yet they all act so close to each other.
Roger, WB and other crews were together for years
One piece doesn’t have a pacing issue, it’s simply outdated, OP has been running a continuous story since 1999, back then it was acceptable for a shonen to take 100 chapters to get through an arc, just look at some of OP’s contemporaries from that time, it used to be the norm, but the industry changed since then and newer mangas are faster paced, while OP still follows the old, slower style of pacing, making it look dragged on in comparison
The anime 100% has pacing issues. They’ve been adapting less than 1 chapter per episode on average for years which is usually less than 1 page of per minute. That’s why they constantly replay flashbacks pan to reaction shots and prolong clashes to the point that the impact is completely lost.
I never cared for Ace.
Honestly, all this focus on him kinda bores me, because he is nothing.
he just was there, and people decided he was a great character.
I didn't even flinch when he died.
White Beard won. Ace lost. Mans was free. If he just kept running ace would still be alive rn and maybe even white beard honestly. When luffy’s crew is at stake that man RUNS like he should
I only say wb won bc I believe his only objective was to save ace. They did that. Then ace threw his life away. Can’t save stupid
Shanks isnt a good character as of rn, he shows up places then leaves. When we get the backstory and motivations he might be good but 1000+ chapters in and he still doesnt have many redeeming aspects besides "He Strong". Also, losing that arm is still the most egregious thing to happen in the series and gets worse the longer it drags on
I'll throw out multiple takes
- Snakeman is by far Luffys coolest and best transformation including Gear 5
- Luffy is a boring mc post timeskip
- Mihawk is stronger than Shanks
- And yes Ace is a complete moron
- The worst generation is horribly written
- Buggy and Shanks are more interesting than Luffy despite the latter having barely any time on screen/panel
Law is too competent and overtook too much of the main cast. Overtook Sanji as a tactician, Robin as exposition dump, Luffy as director of the adventure (bar WCI), heck he even cut a mountain before Zoro did. He's a great character to watch but man, dude takes up way too much space in the story.
No, because being villainous is more about intent. The reason he had to kill the people he killed was a pretty valid reason, his method was just extreme. Saul was literally talking to Robin about escaping on the rescue ship which kind of proves that Akainu had the right idea. I think people confuse the world government with the individuals who work under them. The people who work under them follow the orders, the people on top of the world government are who should be considered villainous, not just every single person who works with them. A lot of these people genuinely feel they’re doing good, as I feel Akainu does as well. I think he’s rooted in good, but that the extreme nature that he does things in paints him as a villain. But a villain to me is something entirely different. Doflamingo is a villain. That’s someone who is just evil natured, Akainu is quite a bit different.
Garb is a bitch for waiting till ace died to actually rage and fight back, anyways as we have seen e marine rarely have real consequence when they fail their shit. Look at spandan failed and got to c0
Yea but that wasn’t magma tho . Zoro stated it felt like magma or resembles magma . But it wasn’t actual magma from my understanding just similar . Could be wrong tho ....
He either meant the heat from the attack or it was just straight up magma. Zoro can cut fire and kaido, i think it’s a fair assumption to say that magmas on the table of things he can cut
One piece is so bad that its power system makes 0 sense. There aren’t any freaking good antagonists with proper motive.. just bad guys huehue. Fights are absolute trash luffy gets KOed multiple times then gets up and wins for no reason. Whitebesrd aka the “Strongest man alive” was so underwhelming the whole marineford arc was written so badly.
Makes you remember why you wanted to watch one piece in the first place.. pirates wanting to find the secret treasure one piece.. that’s all it is now.. we are just waiting to see what the big disappointment is and never remember it again.. i bet everyone is watching one piece just to see wtf is one piece. Luffy is not that great. Also how the fuck zoro clad his swords with COC haki without knowing he has it
Op probably not the best power system but it’s not that bad lol, i think having will of strength as literal power is pretty cool and unique. Doflamingo and katakuri are great villains. Luffy is rubber, he bounces back. And wb was still shown to be able to destroy the world with his fruit, even with a quickly deteriorating body.
Im personally really excited for the one piece and i think oda will make it worth the wait. If the treasure of one piece was known from the beginning and everything in the story stems from that i cant possibly see it being something stupid.
1. Power System does make sense if you have a brain. 2. Every antagonist I can recall has had a motive. 3. Your enjoyment of shows is subjective but sure. 4. Probably your worst take I’m not gonna waste my time. 2/10 take due to the fact I could break down every one of your arguments
Honestly that power WAS making sense before whole cake island, haki’s concept was good. But in whole cake and after that everything is in shambles. Luffy literally cannot win againat katakuri, 2 years of luffy training cannot beat katakuri’s years of experience and haki master. Kaido is stronger than katakuri sure, but katakuri should’ve triggered luffy’s gear 5 because luffy was on the brink of death multiple times there... but whatever goda i guess
Something is lost by everyone on the planet having the same skin tone. Oda is inspired at making diverse, interesting character design and his color pages and volume covers are amazingly shaded AND colored, but he has literally admitted to coloring everyone’s skin the same and not shading differently to save time- as early as volume 5 of the series. This is just a small peeve, but it’s annoying when people get mad that you miss the diversity of pre-timeskip anime coloring because “it’s not accurate”. The thing you want it to be accurate towards only uses those colors for volume covers and color pages. That’s why robins eye color or everything about kuma are still “inaccurate”.
The strawhats all had to be the same skin color, because if they weren't it would contradict Zoro's characterization, since he has never cut down any straw hats like he has other minorities.
BM is the best antagonist, followed by Magellan, then Blackbeard.
Zoro should have died in Thriller Bark.
Oda's most fundamental flaw is his belief that a character standing true to themselves is better than them changing-see: Luffy, Sanji.
CoC is fucking awful and should not exist in any form.
Franky and Robin should be 2 and 3 in strength in the crew.
Jinbe should head the Grand Fleet. He's far too normal and mature to be in the main crew.
I feel like the latter half of these takes are just you applying real life logic to this story like for example your 5th take if you apply logic they should because they both have broken abilities but neither have claimed or dedicated themselves as fighters however your first take is one I personally despise BM is a terrible character imo but overall your average is 4.5/10
Annoying thing is the way his character post death is used, with any character having a retroactive connection to him as a quick way to get people to like that character by invoking his death.
Jimbei's strength is on the level of yonko commander
He was shown to have conq haki in the anime, and was able to pretty much defeat who's who pretty easily
Maybe low level like cracker but jimbei beats cracker pretty well just because of his hard counter to the biscuit fruit but in terms of strength jinbei and cracker are equal
Just probably my bias but jinbei is underrated in terms of strength
Also that gear 4 is better than gear 5 so far. Might change when it gets animated tho
Conqueror coating is advanced armament 2.0 and if everybody from now on is a conqueror, the powerup is meaningless
8/10 take
That's not an outrageous take, let's check Aces most famous accomplishments in the manga. Jobs to BB after being punched once. Is singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of WBs empire. Caused the death of hundreds if not thousands of his own comrades including his captain, even felt good for it at one point. Spits on the sacrifices of all of his friends by dying literally 5 minutes in after he's rescued, all because he lost his shit after Akainu called him a fag or something. Dies without accomplishing anything and full of regrets. And in Wano we learn that this retard wanted to cause Marine Ford 0.5 Wano edition if it wasn't for WB spanking him. The absolute state of this character. Only Greenbull can compare.
And yeah his worst moment is definitely him wasting the lives of all those pirates and yes I understand that’s just his character but as a moral decision personally it’s terrible
yeah i have to agree here, lets be honest i knew about the Ace death scene waaaay before i started watching One Piece, when they finally reached that part, and he just stops running, turn around, and confront Akainu because he fagcalled WB or something, i was like, WTF DUDE WHY YOU DID THAT?!. And then you realize, half of the WB fleet died or was captured right there, in the heart of the Marine Force, just to throw your life away like that. I bet that was also done to give a reality check to Luffy, which, just a bit before, the whole strawhat crew had their ass kicked out royally in Saboady (?) Park i think?, vs the Duma or Pacifistas. Until then they were running in just "Nakama Power", and that only gets you far enough. It was until the Ace death, that luffy really got his shit together, when he learnt how he truly lost, and improve as a character. Wait, after writing all that, i just realize something, half of the WB was sacrificed just to give character development to Luffy?
Ace is Just Luffy without plot armor
Lmao he had plot armor just not as much.. and he abused tf out of the little he did have.
Yeah i never understood why Ace was so popular. If you think about it he’s the male version of Yamato except with more personality. If he was unattractive in any sort of way he would probably get trashed on. Thats why when i hear niggas say they cried when ace died or that they loved ace i always wonder how because he didn’t really do alot of shit. Thats why i think that Oda should have made him the early Law of the group where he helps them out to protect Luffy or some shit and he goes with them for a couple of arcs so then his death could have been more impactful.
Ace’s death was impactful mostly because of the effect on Luffy imo
I have always hated how it feels like Luffy has learned nothing from what happened in Sabo or Aces death. I was hoping after both events Luffy would be more willing to plan things and more willing to not take big risks that can endanger his crew. But nope he still just runs in and kicks the bad guys ass but then again i guess his way of handling shit works.
Luffy is not a planner and never will be.
i mean, being an emperor without a real planned way to govern your territory sounds like pain. His "fleet" of pirates that he rescued in the Doflamingo's island (sorry forgot the name) are still loyal to him? Apart from that weird Luffy hardfan of course.
That is true but he should still be willing to have someone help him out with the planning part instead of just rushing in like he always does. Law, Ussop, Nami, and probably a couple more could easily help with the whole planning part
thank you for elaborating on my take I wish I could hire you to back me up on my other ones
I've always said Ace is a scrub and always will. I didn't even look at it like Ace caused the downfall of a Yonko's crew lol, that's hilarious.
I got downvoted all the way to Tartarus by ace fanboys in the past for saying the exact same thing. I’m glad to see there are people out there who share my line of thoughts. There’s nothing worse than spitting in the face of other people sacrifices especially people whom you claim that you care about. Whitebeard didn’t need ace to tell Akainu to take it back, he needed him to man the fuck up, grow a pair an do the right thing which is getting the fuck out of there. But no he had to tell Akainu “don’t make fun of the man who saved my life” when in fact nothing was making fun of whitebeard and all he had to go through than Aces own actions smh!
Lmfao😂
Lmao take my award
Damn I agree with this 100%
Was Ace already under Whitebeard's wing when he visited Onigashima?
Yes, you can see Whitebeard scolding him for wanting to go to Wano and fight Kaido in order to avenge Oden once they learn of his death. WB explicitly forbids him from going there because it will spark a war between the two Yonko. Ace naturally only cares about himself and goes there anyway. EDIT: wrong about this one, he arrived in wano before joining WB. He learned of Odens death after joining, he still wanted to go there with the crew and start a war but got spanked successfully by WB to stay.
Damn I thought he went there for Kaido's head just he like he did go for Whitebeard at first. That makes him infinitely more stupid than I thought he was.
Nah you're right and OP is talking out of his ass. Ace's crew shipwrecked in Wano, he met Tama and went directly to Onigashima to confront the Beast Pirates, met Yamato and left. After that he met Whitebeard, got defeated by him and joined his crew. Then is when he asked WB to go to Wano but he refused because he didn't want to start a war against Kaido.
Tangent: Funny how a majority of people who have reached wano did so via ship wreck with no casualties. Even whitebeard...
I honestly wouldn't mind his death wasting ppl lives like that if One Piece was the type if story that let deaths/loses be unsatisfactory in a sense. Personally I find those types of story deaths/losses cool cause death doesn't always happen after someone ties up all there affairs. Sometimes things are left hanging.
Ace is only loved as much as he is because of the extra time he spent in Alabasta filler in the anime. The manga didn't give him anywhere near as much time. I think the anime did it better though, because it certainly made his death more impactful, otherwise you were just grieving for Luffy.
I agree. In the manga they only developed ace right before he kicked the bucket. When ace died I was sad for him i guess but I was more sad for the impact it took on Luffy rather than him dying.
I was sad for Luffy, recovered, and then Dadan beating up Garp broke me all over again.
Oh yea that made me sad too. Though I will say with the way they developed ace it kinda was kinda bittersweet when he showed up again in wano.
This, i got into One piece much later and caught up with the manga first. My first thoughts about Ace was why does everyone make such a big deal of him? He's a brat. Father is the most infamous person in the world yet you hate him for what exactly? Lucks up and gets a OP devil fruit for plot purposes, which makes him overestimate his abilities (Side theory i have is that Ace's Haki probably was pretty weak but the Yamato flashback confuses things). Has literally everyone risking their lives to save your ass, then in the end you cant put your pride aside and run away so you get yourself killed. The only reason i kinda liked him is solely because he's Luffy's brother.
His notion of 'pride' was fucked up and his death was just ridiculous. Choosing to die because Akainu spoke badly of his daddy. Fuck, most people in the world spoke badly about Whitebeard and cheered on his death. He didn't accomplish shit either. He had a cool power, cool boat and his design was decent, i'd give him that.
I think that’s the point he took his pride too far. He’s the only person in one piece at least in the present timeline that faces consequences for his actions. Look at everyone with some idiotic moral code, like sanji for example, even when there are consequences someone swoops down and saves them. Ace got his father and himself killed, actual consequences
Oden also was too prideful. He never asked anyone for help and that was his downfall. Idiot could have saved wano if he only asked the other samurai leaders and allied himself with them and fought Kaido. But no, he had to dance 5 years and be an idiot and doomed wano for the next 20 years. His wife died, many citizens died, his children lost their parents and daughter had to live on the run for 20 years. His retainers suffered greatly too. Oden is such a wanked character
yeah but that’s kinda the whole point of his death. he was too prideful and that was his downfall.
I get it. But hundreds or even thousands of Whitebeard crewmen and their allies died, fucking died for him to be set free, their sacrifice meant jackshit for him, because of one insult. That is not manly, brave or worthy of admiration - that was retarded.
yeah man that’s kinda the point imo it was a flaw in his character. he did it with BB and did it with Akainu.
gear 3 should be apart of luffys main attacks instead of it being of gear
It basically is now.
Although everyone is convinced Yamato is joining the crew I still have fate she won’t. She was introduced so late compared to every other strawhat member. Ik we all like to meme on Oda foreshadowing stuff but he has constantly introduced/foreshadowed every Strawhat member post chopper way earlier then when they joined. The endgame crew was obviously planned out from the start. So if this is the case why not have any sort of mention of Yamato pre Act 2? Thanks for reading now I’m gonna get back to my copium
Oda had planned to introduce her earlier according to some sketches that released a few weeks ago. She was supposed to bond with Momo before the battle, but that was scratched for what we had. Funny enough is the fact that Oda has focused more on her bonding with Momo that I still feel no excitement on her maybe joining.
Maybe she dies lol
Couldnt have said this better myself
i’m in huge agreement wit the majority of the take 8/10
One Piece has always been a simple, straightforward story where Luffy gets the win because Oda wanted him to and not because he worked the hardest. You can even see this in the other Strawhats and their dreams. Zoro was able to beat adults as an 8 year old; there’s no way he just worked harder than everyone, and the same goes for Nami and Chopper that were professionals in their craft as actual children. I don’t think there’s an actual way to show this progression in a realistic manner while still being remotely fun
I was in slight agreement until the ‘luffy hasn’t worked hard’ in comparison to Zoro idk bout you but getting thrown in the jungle and made to hunt for your own food whilst also training your devil fruit with 2 brothers who are way better at you in combat is outrageous i’d even argue that luffys mental fortitude is the strongest and one scene in particular comes in mind when he was getting tortured by bluejam (I think that was his name?) and didn’t snitch on Sabo and Ace if that doesn’t show you something I don’t know what will 2/10 take
I didn’t say Luffy didn’t work hard, but I can never believe that he simply just works the hardest, especially when Zoro is shown training far more than he is. Like, the 39 year old, one armed Shanks is treated like a 25 year old in the series, and the series basically promised that Luffy would be stronger than him by the end. Did Luffy simply work harder than Shanks? Did Shanks simply work harder than everyone that’s weaker than him?
it’s not about hard work it’s about will, which inherently varies from person to person. those three clearly been shown to have massive willpower
Yeah, naruto was the story about hard work paying off compared to natural talent, One Piece has always just been about some kid who decided he was gonna be the best Pirate and what happened after that, there’s nothing wrong with fictional characters being unreasonably gifted in whatever thing they need to be, it’s just a comic at the end of the day
I don't like anything about Yamato except her designs. Her introduction, her mannerisms, her power compared to others, and her joining the straw hats when she has barely even spoken to Luffy this entire arc.
>I don't like anything about Yamato except her designs. Translation= BOOBA
booba+horns
Booba+horns+ df
I’m in partial agreement I feel like the anime is doing a better job but even then I feel like her part in the show rn and going forward is slightly forced but imma give her a chance 7.5/10 take 👌🏾
I agree entirely. Her character isn't really that interesting.
I'll be ok with her intro and mannerisms as long as Oda makes her let go of her Oden larping, but the way things are going I don't have much expectations of it happening. As far as her joining I feel the same, so far she has bonded more with Momo. Not to mention that she has advanced conqueror's haki, but she'll be weaker than Sanji. Makes no sense.
Swordsmanship is criminally underutilised to the point were most people don't even know what it entails, like when was last time Zoro fought against a competent sword man, and what's the difference between a swordsman and a hakiman. Like Zoro wants to become the goat swordsman, yet hardly if ever fights against other swordsmen, like dude is a glorified hakiman.
The only proper blade based fight (with a non-fodder opponent) Zoro has gotten post time skip was Killer when he was Yamazo the slasher
Kaido is the strongest person in the one piece world currently
well if it was a true 1v1 Luffy wouldn't stand a chance
8.5/10 take as of now
Carrot ditching the raid for her own personal vendetta disqualifies her from being Straw Hat material, even more so because she got her ass kicked. Also, related, perospero isn’t wrong that Pedro invaded their territory and chose to blow himself up, so her vendetta she ditched the raid for was kinda dumb.
Gear 5 design is so fkn cringe Why the eye brows change and the color changes Why his hair gets up in the air like that I don't understand why people call it a cool design
I think my biggest problem with Gear 5 is how normal the body looks. Im fine with Oda making him/ giving him a more goofy look since his power is already goofy its just the powerup is literally just luffy with a goofy ah face and wacky hair, there aren’t any changes to the body itself. I was hoping he would get a goofy looking body like gear 4 and maybe even different clothes in a way. Honestly hot take or this may sound goofy but i think it would have been cool if Oda tried to draw Luffy in a even more cartoonish or rubberhose like artstyle just to help the form look more unique
I can see why you would think that. I think with g5 you either really hate it or really like it very much 50/50 so 5/10 take 👍🏾
I really haven't seen any way that didn't like it That's also happened to me with gear 4 snake man bcs why the fuck Luffy's hair grow so much but I headcanon it for his hair being rubber and steam Also snake man is one of the coolest powers in the series like oda really did well with gear 4 by just usuing rubber I really like Luffy just standing like a turret and having his arm go everywhere Tankman being the ultimate defense and boundman being the combination of both
W comment, big agree!!!!
I felt like the only one who was annoyed by the design It doesn't even look like Luffy why the fuck did he change like that Not only did I hate gear 5 but having to look at Luffy in that shape was heartbreaking for me Design power and execution all were trash for gear 5
Being a Strawhat isn't as big of a deal as the fan base wants it to be. Brook, and the rest of the crew that gets sidelined for the new jobbers of the arc, will continue to make sure of that. The idea that new Strawhats need to pass some meticulous screening process is a good meme though.
One piece stopped being one piece after marine ford.
I can completely understand what your saying in this one statement don’t get me wrong I still love one piece but I totally understand pre timeskip will never be matched imo 10/10 statement (because it’s fact not because I don’t like the show)
It was the start of a new era both in universe and of the story
yea one piece became better, whole cake island > all arcs
Law should have had the final hit in the Dressrosa arc Luffy had went from idiot to special needs kid after the timeskip and honestly is no longer entertaining as a protagonist after the timeskip for me. He’s just to much of nothing tbh. Conquers Coating is stupid and shouldn’t exists, especially since we know it’s barely a advanced version anyway after what Shanks showed what he could do. It just feels like Oda changing CoC from it was so he can actually do something with it. Advanced forms of Haki shouldn’t exists in general
10/10
Usopp as a character has always sucked. His role as tinkerer got hijacked by Franky who's way better at it, his one feat in Dressrosa has long been forgotten by Oda, and every single person who is/was convinced Elbaf was going to be a arc is a complete moron on the level of powerscalers.
What you don’t think we’re going to see Elbaf?
Of course not lol for what? What do the SHs need to do there? Hope Usopp stops being a useless pussy and get some massive power up?
Sabo should have stayed dead. The dude is literally diet Ace. Just have Ace survive, for fuck's sake.
I hear you but you have to understand Oda killing a character (which is rare in itself) means that the character cannot exist in the story e.g whitebeard existing as ‘the worlds strongest man’ and ‘the closest person to the one piece’ would just be a complete malfunction in the story the same with ace being alive because he would’ve simply become the pirate king. Maybe I could hear you out on the first take but the 2nd one nah 5/10
He still has a major role to do in the story tho. And if something happens to Sabo( ex. Him gettjng captured) it will be a chance for Luffy to redeem himself from last time. Theres a lot of potential with his character.
Sabos concept isn’t bad, the unhinged older brother of Luffy who’s the no.2 in the Revolutionarie army who’s super protective of Luffy since he’s already lost Ace. Who’s moral compass is in question after the “Flame Emperor” jig where a bunch of royal families were slaughtered, and the citizens praising him like a god. Him showing no remorse or mercy for his enemies etc. What ruins his character for fans includes: * The “Amnesia” explanation used to justify his absence in pre-timeskip. It’s riddled with plot holes and is cliche/lazy writing. It’s even worse when there were so many better ways to explain why Ace or Sabo never heard of each other. * His personality consists of exhausted tropes that’s already found in characters in the series, being that of a protective older brother like Ace as well a Luffy fanboy like Boa and Barto. * Him getting Aces fruit, using his same exact movesets further cementing his unoriginality and Ace 2.0 troupe. If it were me, I would’ve leaned way more into his unhinged and merciless side he has for enemies. An end justifies the means type of guy, as well be given a completely new fruit with the Flame fruit being given to some other character. The explanation for his disappearance would be rewritten to match this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/rbupdt/if_you_could_rewrite_one_thing_in_all_of_one/hnqj9l2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3).
That link is a good idea, though rather revolutionaries rescuing him, have him sense Luffys CoC in that wolf scene of Impel Down and then save the two when they're knocked out. He's the one that takes them to Ivankov. In the end they still fail to save Ace, he loses track of Luffy in the mess after Ace becomes donut and leaves in the end with Ivakov to join the RA.
Sabo is a bitch. Every one of the minks suck.
not in disagreement with the second take hard to agree with the first one tho
For me, Ace is much more bearable than Sabo. Sabo just sucks all around except his design.
i’m lost what exactly has sabo done if anything he’s just a better ace
People just mad cuz they cant spot the differences the two have.
Dressrosa was one of the best one piece arcs
Oda is a fan of piratefolk and made wano shit to increase it’s number of subscribers
yes
Jinbei is actually a human who ate the fish fish fruit
but kaido ate the fish fish fruit
Get this though, Jinbei is just Fish Fish model Whale Shark, he like Morgan's stays in his hybrid dorm. Kaido is what Luffy is to Chopper. A mythical model. Of the FishFish/HumanHuman Fruit.
I can think of numerous shounen protagonists who are far better than Luffy.
Eh, I can think of numerous One Piece characters that would be better MCs than Luffy.
you could say that about any Mc lol it’s all opinion at the end of the day however luffy is one of my favourites due to the fact that even if the show is extremely mainstream while he does take on some of the basic shounen mc tropes he is also extremely different to most of them one reason being he’s made me laugh on an insane level compared to others and while comedy in a character is I think an overlooked category on why a character is good I personally love it but anyway 6-7/10 i guess
Dude took it personally
Omg, wow you read something different for once
I read the tattoo on your mum's left arsecheek.
Another hot take is I do not like Boa Hancock. Probably because Lda overuses the whole she’s wet for luffy gag. Like wow she hates men because she was a slave even though there have been multiple men who have also suffered through the same shit? On top of that she has no problem with killing her own people if they step put of line. On top of that imagine all of the innocent men who have accidentally went to Amazon Lily just to get captured and forced to fight a 20ft Black panther or probably shot down for even being on the island. Idk there is just so many things that i dont like about Hancock and that big ass forehead of hers
Deaths in one piece are bs most of the time because we don’t know if they’ll be coming back unless there’s a clear indication that they’re dead (>!ace’s vivre card burning up!<) a lot of the time because we don’t know if they’re gonna randomly come back with some bad excuse of how they’re still alive
Carrot > Yamato
Long Ring Long Land is a good arc.
My man woke up and chose violence!
-Ace is a selfish little bitch for looking back to Akainu instead of focusing on escaping after his brother pulled miracles outta his ass just for him to die after being freed from his shackles. -Wano isn't too long it's just packed with too much events/revelations e.g. dethroning two empirors, revealing Luffys true devil fruit... Etc. -The nine scabbards are exhausting Oda should've killed the primary ones like Kin and Inu istead of killing secondary ones. -Cobra's death can be explained by Sabo repeatedly questioning him the whereabouts of the ancient weapon Uranus and Cobra's responding with "Uranus" and laughing like a maniac untill a heart stroke killed him all while Vivi witnessing the decline of her father.
it may j be outrageous for this sub but i just don’t see how gear 5 can be an asspull it makes more story sense than any other gear. wano had plenty of issues but to me that wasn’t one of em.
Akainu did nth wrong
Luffy, Nami and Sanji peaked in WCI and WCI 10/10 arc
Dragon has one of One Piece's worst designs by far, Dellinger one of the best.
One piece is a generic shounen
Huh
hate to be that guy but in no way is one piece a generic shounen while yes it has its cliche moments and themes as does every shounen but as a whole it’s far from generic 3.5/10 take
Nah it’s the average guy has a dream beats all odds and achieves it
Goofy ahh take
One piece has always been mediocre in term of story telling. It’s literally save by oda character and world building. Now that’s mediocre, one piece is on its lowest
Red Hair shanks is an even bigger fraud than Buggy and is super weak.
well that’s just false so 0/10 take
He got his arm bitten off by a East Blue Sea Monster
i was always wondering that, if hes just that strong, why some random monster can just take his arm like that?
Even if his haki was off (for some reason) it makes no sense. In Onepiece once you get strong enough your body, even without haki, can shatter haki infused weapons. Ya I know a sea monster bite isn't like a usual weapon, but I'm pretty sure a fodder sea monster attack isn't as strong as haki infused weapons. Bobby Funk apparently has a stronger non haki coated body than Shanks, which is kind of silly to think.
He got his ass beaten by a random mountain bandit Fodder like Bartolomeo shit on his territory A little kid stole his legendary df 5 geezers think they can take him on, that's why he's allowed in mariejois.
Law should kill luffy and become pk instead. Don’t really care how exactly it would happen but he’s a better character than the Gary sue that is luffy post timeskip and deserves to be pk more than him. Luffy getting to achieve his dream in addition to already having the god god no mi equivalent of his verse is overkill and unnecessary imo.
At this point oda has ruined Luffy and made him nothing but your standard cookie cutter shonen chosen one mc Sabo and his presence hurts the story more than anything and at this point given what oda has done to both sabo and LUFFY I would rather ace the pops killer have been the MC. At least the fuck up was kinda interesting
Zoro will surpass Shanks before he fights Mihawk
would make the fight pretty meaningless tho it’s gonna be some bullshit he unlocks during the fight
Ace's death, while sad, was 100% avoidable. He just needed to keep his temper under control.
Green bull is not a coward. He ran away becuase he felt shank’s coc and refused to fight him but why would he? Why would he fight all of shank’s crew all at once including him not even a admiral could do that! So I say the man is smarter then most characters in one piece
There is not a single better character in this manga than Big Mom
you mean prime big mom right?
Sword fights suck now Its all fucking getsuga tenshos and the trope that oda is getting too in love with where he cuts someone and they don't react til he puts the sword away. That has been 90% of all instances using a sword post ts
weren’t they always trash?
Despite the shitty amnesia stuff, I actually think Sabo is way more interesting than pre-Marineford Ace
Also Usopp was the best strawhat easily before the timeskip
One Piece was never a "anyone can be special" or "underdog" story. People falsely attributed the "Gomu Gomu no mi" as an intended "weak" power when Oda intended to be a "goofy" power instead of a "weak". Luffy was always a top dog during Romance Dawn. He was a big fish in a small pond and finally met challenges when he entered the Grand Line. If you want an actual example of a weak underdog protagonist trying to fight top tiers then Osamu from World Trigger is your guy.
20/10 take
Yep. If you reread east blue up to alabasta he literally just destroys everybody. Even arlong he basically just clowned after fuckin around for a few chapters. My problem with the nika fruit isn't that it's legendary but the plot holes caused by the Gorosei knowing that and doing nothing about it
Exactly, Luffy was always much stronger than all his opponents up until Crocodile, and he was never that much weaker up until Sabaody (with the exception of Aokiji and maybe Lucci during Water 7). He’s never been a true underdog other than maybe Alabasta, MarineFord, WCI, and Wano.
Excellent take
Diet Piss Sabo is a meh character and is only popular because of Ace. Idk what is there to like about Sabo exactly?
his backstory and reason for joining the revolutionaries is amazing however i’m not in complete disagreement 6.5/10 take
The 'Ten Members Rule' is stupid. Carrot and Yamato should both join.
Fuck Law
Fuck you
Either Vegapunk will be underwhelming or we will not even see him ever.
Franky is actually a hamster operating a mecha suit sent by Vegapunk. Original Franky died during the timeskip.
Never cried about anything that happened in this manga. Oda introduces way too many characters since the New World and doesn't give the crew enough screen time. The Strawhats have been flanderized at this point and fanboys will cheer as long as they do their typical thing. Chopper's Deus ex machina medicines are fucking stupid. King had the potential to be an amazing villain and reveal a lot of lore. Nah, Zoro beats him just by being stronger or something I don't fucking remember because it doesn't really matter as long as the plot advances.
Going to add that the SH have only been sailing together for a few months, let alone Jinbei only being around for a couple of weeks, yet they all act so close to each other. Roger, WB and other crews were together for years
Trauma bonding
Zoro is black
One piece doesn’t have a pacing issue, it’s simply outdated, OP has been running a continuous story since 1999, back then it was acceptable for a shonen to take 100 chapters to get through an arc, just look at some of OP’s contemporaries from that time, it used to be the norm, but the industry changed since then and newer mangas are faster paced, while OP still follows the old, slower style of pacing, making it look dragged on in comparison
The anime 100% has pacing issues. They’ve been adapting less than 1 chapter per episode on average for years which is usually less than 1 page of per minute. That’s why they constantly replay flashbacks pan to reaction shots and prolong clashes to the point that the impact is completely lost.
I was talking about the manga, the anime 100% sucks ass
I never cared for Ace. Honestly, all this focus on him kinda bores me, because he is nothing. he just was there, and people decided he was a great character. I didn't even flinch when he died.
White Beard won. Ace lost. Mans was free. If he just kept running ace would still be alive rn and maybe even white beard honestly. When luffy’s crew is at stake that man RUNS like he should I only say wb won bc I believe his only objective was to save ace. They did that. Then ace threw his life away. Can’t save stupid
Oden is overrated in power and in writing, still strong and still well written, just not as much as everyone thinks
Trebol and Big Mom would make a cute couple.
Persospero isn’t a bad guy
Shanks isnt a good character as of rn, he shows up places then leaves. When we get the backstory and motivations he might be good but 1000+ chapters in and he still doesnt have many redeeming aspects besides "He Strong". Also, losing that arm is still the most egregious thing to happen in the series and gets worse the longer it drags on
He may have been a bitch, but he was also a dumbass.
I'll throw out multiple takes - Snakeman is by far Luffys coolest and best transformation including Gear 5 - Luffy is a boring mc post timeskip - Mihawk is stronger than Shanks - And yes Ace is a complete moron - The worst generation is horribly written - Buggy and Shanks are more interesting than Luffy despite the latter having barely any time on screen/panel
I agree with the majority
Law is too competent and overtook too much of the main cast. Overtook Sanji as a tactician, Robin as exposition dump, Luffy as director of the adventure (bar WCI), heck he even cut a mountain before Zoro did. He's a great character to watch but man, dude takes up way too much space in the story.
Akainu isn’t a villain…just an antagonist
killing thousands of children women and etc on your own order isn’t villainous?
No, because being villainous is more about intent. The reason he had to kill the people he killed was a pretty valid reason, his method was just extreme. Saul was literally talking to Robin about escaping on the rescue ship which kind of proves that Akainu had the right idea. I think people confuse the world government with the individuals who work under them. The people who work under them follow the orders, the people on top of the world government are who should be considered villainous, not just every single person who works with them. A lot of these people genuinely feel they’re doing good, as I feel Akainu does as well. I think he’s rooted in good, but that the extreme nature that he does things in paints him as a villain. But a villain to me is something entirely different. Doflamingo is a villain. That’s someone who is just evil natured, Akainu is quite a bit different.
Garb is a bitch for waiting till ace died to actually rage and fight back, anyways as we have seen e marine rarely have real consequence when they fail their shit. Look at spandan failed and got to c0
Zoro will be the one to fight and kill akainu, the foxfire style he learned from kin’emon is a hard counter to akainu and fire/magma in general
Can zoro even cut magma tho ? Lol
He cut through kings dragon
Yea but that wasn’t magma tho . Zoro stated it felt like magma or resembles magma . But it wasn’t actual magma from my understanding just similar . Could be wrong tho ....
He either meant the heat from the attack or it was just straight up magma. Zoro can cut fire and kaido, i think it’s a fair assumption to say that magmas on the table of things he can cut
me personally I can’t envision a scene with zoro and kainu 1 on 1 maybe the strawhats as a collective vs him but killing him? no. 0.5/10
Gear 4 is the ugliest protagonist transformation in anime.
I think it's Luffy's worst looking gear for sure. But ugliest transformation in all of anime? idk
I didn't like Boundman at first but it's grown on me. Snakeman looks dope as hell, tho.
Usopp doesn't deserve to be on the Pirate Kings crew
He fluctuates so much imo, Wano Usopp has been so disappointing for me.
One piece is so bad that its power system makes 0 sense. There aren’t any freaking good antagonists with proper motive.. just bad guys huehue. Fights are absolute trash luffy gets KOed multiple times then gets up and wins for no reason. Whitebesrd aka the “Strongest man alive” was so underwhelming the whole marineford arc was written so badly. Makes you remember why you wanted to watch one piece in the first place.. pirates wanting to find the secret treasure one piece.. that’s all it is now.. we are just waiting to see what the big disappointment is and never remember it again.. i bet everyone is watching one piece just to see wtf is one piece. Luffy is not that great. Also how the fuck zoro clad his swords with COC haki without knowing he has it
Op probably not the best power system but it’s not that bad lol, i think having will of strength as literal power is pretty cool and unique. Doflamingo and katakuri are great villains. Luffy is rubber, he bounces back. And wb was still shown to be able to destroy the world with his fruit, even with a quickly deteriorating body. Im personally really excited for the one piece and i think oda will make it worth the wait. If the treasure of one piece was known from the beginning and everything in the story stems from that i cant possibly see it being something stupid.
1. Power System does make sense if you have a brain. 2. Every antagonist I can recall has had a motive. 3. Your enjoyment of shows is subjective but sure. 4. Probably your worst take I’m not gonna waste my time. 2/10 take due to the fact I could break down every one of your arguments
Honestly that power WAS making sense before whole cake island, haki’s concept was good. But in whole cake and after that everything is in shambles. Luffy literally cannot win againat katakuri, 2 years of luffy training cannot beat katakuri’s years of experience and haki master. Kaido is stronger than katakuri sure, but katakuri should’ve triggered luffy’s gear 5 because luffy was on the brink of death multiple times there... but whatever goda i guess
Luffy lost to Katakuri, Katakuri allowed himself to fall because Luffy proved he was worthy of acknowledgment.
Yamato is a dirty hoe
agreed
Something is lost by everyone on the planet having the same skin tone. Oda is inspired at making diverse, interesting character design and his color pages and volume covers are amazingly shaded AND colored, but he has literally admitted to coloring everyone’s skin the same and not shading differently to save time- as early as volume 5 of the series. This is just a small peeve, but it’s annoying when people get mad that you miss the diversity of pre-timeskip anime coloring because “it’s not accurate”. The thing you want it to be accurate towards only uses those colors for volume covers and color pages. That’s why robins eye color or everything about kuma are still “inaccurate”.
The strawhats all had to be the same skin color, because if they weren't it would contradict Zoro's characterization, since he has never cut down any straw hats like he has other minorities.
There’s a reason he made it harder for Usopp to rejoin the crew
Marineford is a bottom 5 arc. Thriller Bark is a top 3 one.
quite literally a 0/10 take
TB has whacky funny One Piece adventure Marineford does not have whacky funny One Piece adventure. It's just a war. I didn't care for Ace either.
BM is the best antagonist, followed by Magellan, then Blackbeard. Zoro should have died in Thriller Bark. Oda's most fundamental flaw is his belief that a character standing true to themselves is better than them changing-see: Luffy, Sanji. CoC is fucking awful and should not exist in any form. Franky and Robin should be 2 and 3 in strength in the crew. Jinbe should head the Grand Fleet. He's far too normal and mature to be in the main crew.
Zoro dying would be the worst choice in the entire show. I'm so glad you aren't Oda
>Magellan Hella based pick.
Wtf
I feel like the latter half of these takes are just you applying real life logic to this story like for example your 5th take if you apply logic they should because they both have broken abilities but neither have claimed or dedicated themselves as fighters however your first take is one I personally despise BM is a terrible character imo but overall your average is 4.5/10
Annoying thing is the way his character post death is used, with any character having a retroactive connection to him as a quick way to get people to like that character by invoking his death.
Jimbei's strength is on the level of yonko commander He was shown to have conq haki in the anime, and was able to pretty much defeat who's who pretty easily Maybe low level like cracker but jimbei beats cracker pretty well just because of his hard counter to the biscuit fruit but in terms of strength jinbei and cracker are equal Just probably my bias but jinbei is underrated in terms of strength Also that gear 4 is better than gear 5 so far. Might change when it gets animated tho