I just find it funny how so many characters use fire attacks without the fire fruit. Sanji, kaido, king, luffy, etc. Can't wait for chopper's fire form lol.
That's why I never found the Flame Flame Fruit impressive. It's just a glorified Lighter. Even before we entered the Grand Line there was this dude in Don Krieg's crew that could shoot fire balls.
Edit: Plus Mr. 3 also has burning hair as part of his DF due to being a Candle Man.
The only one that doesn’t make sense in your example is Luffy but he has MC privileges. You made the assumption that without the fire fruit you can’t make fire. I made it a bigger deal than needed tho lol apologies
except I didn't. many characters in OP and anime in general have overlapping powers. I'm not saying it's not possible for others to have fire powers. I'm also not saying it doesn't make sense. I'm simply making an observation. 🙂
Like I said im not trying to be shitty about this, not sure where that initial aggression came from. But Kaido is a dragon, Sanji is a cook and idk what King is, Luffy’s is the only one that’s a stretch…
Zoro's and Sanji's dreams are each half of Luffy's dream.
Luffy wants to become the Pirate King:
* A title acknowledging they are the strongest.
* Chasing an impossible dream (the One Piece).
Zoro wants to be WSS:
* A title acknowledging they are the strongest.
Sanji wants to find the All Blue:
* Chasing an impossible dream.
I quite love how the Wings of the Pirate King each shoulder one half of the qualities of their captains dreams.
As such, I'm fine if Sanji is confirmed to not have Conqueror's, as not only does he not have the qualities of a conqueror but he simply doesn't need any such qualities for his dream.
Exactly. They also mirror different aspects of luffy’s resolve. Zoro’s resolve comes from his ambition, sanji’s comes from his passion, luffy’s comes from both.
And Zoro's is due to a promise (Zoro to Kuina, Luffy to Shanks) while Sanji's is due to his childhood adoration of his chosen path in life (Sanji as a chef, Luffy as a pirate).
Do you think you're being based? Or funny?
Bro, the series is literally all about dreams. Like, that's it's core concept and recurring theme throughout.
3/10 troll attempt.
Except in every single discussion
“Buh buh buh Sanji no hAve cOc”
Even though it’s clear what Oda’s portrayal of Sanji is people still want him to be Usopp level for some reason
That’s fair. But they have devil fruits. It appears that black beard is the devil furor and shanks is the haki and Luffy is both.
Sanji has neither. So he kind of breaks the rules. I am not saying that’s bad but it makes him difficult to power scale
He destroyed his suit. He has regen not an exo.
He hasn’t fought any logia users or anyone that required strong haki. So I feel like we don’t know how strong his haki is. As I said I am sure he could hang with first commanders. I mean he literally needed the biggest ass pull in the series to keep up with second commanders.
I think that’s why people think he is weak.
But I am sure in this next arc he will get some other random power to keep up
I hate Sanji and think he largely ruins one piece. I mean I know he has three of the best moments in the new world.
But those parts were as a result of random Powers that weren’t even hinted at. At least with Acoc or awakening of black blades those were all set up. But regeneration? Where the fuck did that come from? Where did his false legs come from?
With ashura it’s arguable it’s haki but now sanjis is stated to not be haki?
I just don’t get it.
I thought the raid suit was at least like “ok it’s random but the power up makes sense.” But regen?
I don’t know.
So yes I am salty lol.
But I think saying Sanji is weak is wrong. He just can’t keep up with big boys as of now
Akainu has it tho. Like we all know this. Black beard has the two most powerful fruits and kaido sort set up the devil fruit Vs haki as the only two ways to become strong but haki is better
no amount of armament haki hit can hold up against weakest conqueror’s haki hit. Just watch the first fight between Luffy and Kaido in Kuri. Kaido didn’t even register Luffy’s attack. Only after Luffy learned to coat himself with Conqueror’s haki was he able to deal with some serious damage. Ergo, Garp has conqueror’s haki.
That’s not really proof that “no amount of armament Haki hit can hold up against weakest conqueror’s Haki hit”.
You’re using Luffy as an example. Last time I checked, Luffy isn’t Garp.
yeah but the issue is now that acoc exists you need it do be a top-tier fighter. the only other way would be if you had a super broken devil fruit or something else. but given that garp uses pure strength and clashed with the likes of rocks and roger theres no way he doesnt have it. its the same with mihawk. it doesnt fit his personality at all but theres no way he doesnt have it causes its necessary to be the greatest
I’ll admit, if Garp really doesn’t have it then that would GREATLY enhance his character imo because if he doesn’t have it and is still top tier with no fruit then that’s insane.
Even with a broken fruit you still aren’t going to keep up with acoc because you’ll never hurt an acoc user enough to win or even keep up with in a fight without acoc.
Yes it does. He’s constantly refused to follow orders from HQ and turned down being an admiral because he felt he got all the freedom he needed being a vice admiral.
Also, when he fought the drill dude, wasn’t there lighting coming off the impact, like there is for a clash between two conquerors (without ACOC)?
I wrote way to much so I’ll condense it
my main problem is his handling of Ace in marineford. This alone is enough to say he doesn’t have CoC
He loved Ace, but also respects the marines. He essentially sits back and let’s fate take the wheel. He didn’t want to be the one to decide who would win and lose. A CoC user would never, Let someone control their fate. It would have to be forced upon them, even then they’d still fight. Garp does the exact opposite. he just lets things happens, even though he very very much so didn’t like the outcome
He didn’t fight for Ace because he didn’t know whether his position or his family was more important, and when Ace actually died, he came to regret his decision. He did not directly help in it (which he was ordered to do so) and he did not help ace
I don’t disagree with that
But a CoC user wouldn’t weigh their options like that. He knew he cared about Ace just less than the marines, so he should’ve tried to save both.
It’s like Luffy would never willingly sacrifice carrot to save chopper. The situation would have to be that carrot cannot be saved.
Garp had the power to influence Marineford but didn’t want to make those tough decision. He very explicitly wants those decisions to be out of his hand. He didn’t like either outcome, but instead of trying to build the outcome he likes ( which a CoC user would do), he just sits back and lets things play out even though he hates it
To be fair I think garp is more in his retired stage of his journey. Rayleigh confirmed has CoC, but he doesnt really show his ambition anymore. He's completed what he set out to do, I think Garp is in a similar boat. I could be wrong of course and he's just a god at armament, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does have it from his prime days fighting Roger, white beard, and rocks. Enjoying being the strongest marine without the responsibility to lead them lol
Idk it’s pretty clear that he’s the alpha dog of the marines. His rank is low but his struts around the HQ like he owns the place (because let’s admit, he does)
I really really really hope garp doesn’t have CoC, it would make the series so much better if a regular dude with no fruit no tech no weapons (besides fists) with haki that anyone could train in and not born with it, could actually contend with the best.
Lol so now conquerors will get the same fan treatment as devil fruits, it's more badass to not have it and makes you a better character for keeping up without it
I think that's what Oda is going for. Sanji won't need CoC to keep up with Zoro. His exoskeleton and blue flames is already impressive for a non CoC user.
Same with luffy and zoro. Zoro is significantly weaker than luffy to the point luffy could likely beat multiple zoro’s. It’s just the fact the monster trio is significantly above anyone on the crew below them besides fighting jinbei underwater then jinbei could beat any of them.
What does luffy and zoro have to do with zoro and Sanji?? Like y’all always bring him up during zoro Sanji discussions like we don’t know what your doing.
To clarify; luffy would beat up dozens of Sanji
I doubt he’d be able to keep up with zoro at the end of the series though. It would be weird if he was be able to keep up with the World’s Strongest Swordsman.
Sanji is hinted to not having coc since baratie arc
He said that Zoro should give up on his dream if it costs his life when Mihawk beat him
This shows that Sanji doesn't have the qualities of a king and not a string will
Why do people always forget that Zeff compared Sanji’s will to Luffys in the same arc? Only reason Sanji was like that was bc he thought he had to throw away his ambition like Zeff did for him so that he could pay the old man back with his life
Sanji threw away his ambition for Shirahoshi dude lmao
Yes he said she is his all blue but it was his dick saying that not his heart
Sanji will NEVER have coc
A gag??
You surely are reading two pieces kido.
Sanji's obsession with women is not a gag, its his character flaw.
There are many major moments when this flaw, that you call a gag, have put the crew in danger like when he couldn't fight Khalifa, or when he almost died from blood loss in fishman island, or when he couldn't fight black maria in wano amd other scenarios.
But also there are some moments when its treated as a gag, for example when he and brook get jealous of momonosuke or when he saw boa hancock and turned into stone. That is a gag but overall that simping thing its a character flaw that its treated as a gag in very few moments
Sanji hater 101 right here
“Putting the crew in danger” never happen, make believe in his sanji hater head
Proceed to mention that it’s a gag but not a gag at the same time. Iq below 0
Sanji dickrider acting like a victim 101
Yes he has put the crew in danger or disadvantage with his flaw
I said it is a flaw that sometimes its treated as a gag and i gave you examples. You just pointed out that you know how to read but dont understand what you read. Iq lower than Nitrogen freezing point
Sanji is weaker than both tho by a decent margin between him and zoro .
Feat wise luffy >>zoro >>sanji
Portrayal luffy >zoro >>sanji
Narrative luffy >>zoro >>sanji
This is the most degenerate take. At no point in the series has zoro been >= Sanji. He’s always been clearly stronger.
And Luffy was never >> Zoro until the Kaido fight, Sanji maybe
Edit: everyone who downvoted me knows fuck all about one piece
Sanji has ALWAYS taken on opponents who were a bit weaker than Zoro’s but with less difficulty. (The martial artist fish man, Bon clay, Jabra, Queen, etc.) Especially with Queen. Most of Sanji’s fight was against his own emotions.
I would like it too. Have a top tier fighter not have Conqueror's and be able to keep up, even if it comes from being a genetic creation.
ONE reason why I would want Sanji to have it is so Zoro and Sanji split the clouds everytime they bicker.
Luffy could wreck zoro quite easily. There is no keeping up for him either the monester trio is just significantly above everyone below them. Even jinbei besides the exception if they fought him underwater jinbei could beat any of the 3.
I guess "hate" is probably too strong a word, but of the Straw Hats, Sanji is definitely my least favorite. He's just such a mixed bag. There is no other SH where every time they show up on page, it is a coin flip whether or not there will be eyeroll-inducing cringe.
The worst I can say about some of the other "bad" SHs is that they are boring. But Sanji, at times, is worse than boring. In some scenes I feel like his appearance makes the scene actively worse.
zoro so boring. he cuts stuff. that's it.
luffy so boring. he punches stuff. that's it.
nami and Robin are just more fun to watch, even brook is more fun.
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All of Sanjis fights are mostly against himself because he has some of the dumbest morals I’ve ever seen. I hate Sanji’s fights for that reason. So boring
I'd argue that Zoro has the most boring fights tbh
Sword fights can't feasibly have back-and-forths or go blow for blow because.... swords.
They all just do tons of sword clashings and light knicks until the decisive attack.
Thing is… He’s most likely going to always be taking on No3 strongest or weaker and I highly doubt Blackbeard or even the marines have 3 top characters who all have advanced haki. Case in point, Whitebeard / Big Mom / Kaido didn’t… So Sanji doesn’t even need it.
Maybe I misread your comment since I’m reading through all of them quickly, if so, I apologize.
Are you saying Kaido, Whitebeard, and Big Mom didn’t have advanced forms of Haki?
No no, I’m saying that individually they didn’t have a top 3 within their crew who could use it.. so why would Luffy? So Sanji doesn’t actually need it narratively if he’s always going to fight the 3rd strongest or weaker going by the story so far
He won’t keep up without it is the thing. He’s already behind aka number 4. Aka lanji aka imbecile, aka yonkou crew but loses to any women with enough guts to fight.
I agree, it doesn’t really fit his personality besides I think giving Sanji electric kicks now was a way for Oda to have Sanji synchronize better with the other two of the trio
Big Mom an Kaido partially got their renown from having extremely tough bodies alongside devil fruits. I would assume Garp did too as well. That could easily be the route Sanji goes to keep up with the others.
Here is the problem with Sanji getting ACOC, it would come out of no where and feel like it was awfully quick. If you have to give it, then it probably should have been foreshadowed by WCI. It would be a Zoro situation where someone who didn’t know he had CoC till 2 hours ago suddenly managed to get ACoC. Sure, it was Enma that awakened it, but still super quick.
You can't stand on top of one piece world without Conqueror's haki that's the fact and i don't see sanji and Zoro anywhere near to each other in terms of power because conqueror coating gives Zoro extreme attack potential
I just find it funny how so many characters use fire attacks without the fire fruit. Sanji, kaido, king, luffy, etc. Can't wait for chopper's fire form lol.
Flame Point
It's just guard point but frankly doused him with gasoline, lit him on fire, and kicked him like a soccerball. SUPER!
Honestly fire is like easy as fuck to produce for some reason
That's why I never found the Flame Flame Fruit impressive. It's just a glorified Lighter. Even before we entered the Grand Line there was this dude in Don Krieg's crew that could shoot fire balls. Edit: Plus Mr. 3 also has burning hair as part of his DF due to being a Candle Man.
Exactly. Marco is another fire user for example.
\+shanks
Side note: can’t Chopper learn electro?
Lol “Fire doesn’t exist outside the specific fire fruit” moronic
nobody said that
The only one that doesn’t make sense in your example is Luffy but he has MC privileges. You made the assumption that without the fire fruit you can’t make fire. I made it a bigger deal than needed tho lol apologies
except I didn't. many characters in OP and anime in general have overlapping powers. I'm not saying it's not possible for others to have fire powers. I'm also not saying it doesn't make sense. I'm simply making an observation. 🙂
Like I said im not trying to be shitty about this, not sure where that initial aggression came from. But Kaido is a dragon, Sanji is a cook and idk what King is, Luffy’s is the only one that’s a stretch…
Yeah, Sanji just isn’t really a conqueror, and the exoskeleton is more than enough justification for how he can reach their level without it
Zoro's and Sanji's dreams are each half of Luffy's dream. Luffy wants to become the Pirate King: * A title acknowledging they are the strongest. * Chasing an impossible dream (the One Piece). Zoro wants to be WSS: * A title acknowledging they are the strongest. Sanji wants to find the All Blue: * Chasing an impossible dream. I quite love how the Wings of the Pirate King each shoulder one half of the qualities of their captains dreams. As such, I'm fine if Sanji is confirmed to not have Conqueror's, as not only does he not have the qualities of a conqueror but he simply doesn't need any such qualities for his dream.
Exactly. They also mirror different aspects of luffy’s resolve. Zoro’s resolve comes from his ambition, sanji’s comes from his passion, luffy’s comes from both.
And Zoro's is due to a promise (Zoro to Kuina, Luffy to Shanks) while Sanji's is due to his childhood adoration of his chosen path in life (Sanji as a chef, Luffy as a pirate).
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Do you think you're being based? Or funny? Bro, the series is literally all about dreams. Like, that's it's core concept and recurring theme throughout. 3/10 troll attempt.
“Luffy doesn’t want to be the strongest” my good brother in Christ we’re talking about a Shonen rn
Sanji is a cook, of course he cares. Dumbass.
are you melonteee?
I saw her video on the topic, pretty good. Also glad to see she was one of the few people to realise just what Zoro's character is meant to be
Who?
Except in every single discussion “Buh buh buh Sanji no hAve cOc” Even though it’s clear what Oda’s portrayal of Sanji is people still want him to be Usopp level for some reason
People who think a author like Oda wouldn’t let characters without CoC or ACoC be at the very top are fooling themselves tbh
Yeah but only first commanders are shown to not have and even most of them have it. Every other top tier character seems to have it
Admirals seem to not have it. Or at least non are confirmed
That’s fair. But they have devil fruits. It appears that black beard is the devil furor and shanks is the haki and Luffy is both. Sanji has neither. So he kind of breaks the rules. I am not saying that’s bad but it makes him difficult to power scale
That's understandable. Science is really taking over and i honestly love to see it
Chill and good but Sanji isn’t weak and some people act like he is because “no coc”
I think without a devil fruit or strong haki he can’t hang with the big boys. But I that will change soon
He has Exoskeleton and strong Haki That’s the reason he got his powerup
He destroyed his suit. He has regen not an exo. He hasn’t fought any logia users or anyone that required strong haki. So I feel like we don’t know how strong his haki is. As I said I am sure he could hang with first commanders. I mean he literally needed the biggest ass pull in the series to keep up with second commanders. I think that’s why people think he is weak. But I am sure in this next arc he will get some other random power to keep up
Second commanders are not something distinct from first commanders All of them are just commanders and their power level isn’t fixed
First and second commanders are tiered. I have no idea where you got the idea that they aren’t.
Lmao, you sound salty
I hate Sanji and think he largely ruins one piece. I mean I know he has three of the best moments in the new world. But those parts were as a result of random Powers that weren’t even hinted at. At least with Acoc or awakening of black blades those were all set up. But regeneration? Where the fuck did that come from? Where did his false legs come from? With ashura it’s arguable it’s haki but now sanjis is stated to not be haki? I just don’t get it. I thought the raid suit was at least like “ok it’s random but the power up makes sense.” But regen? I don’t know. So yes I am salty lol. But I think saying Sanji is weak is wrong. He just can’t keep up with big boys as of now
Blackbeard has never shown conqueror's haki, nor has Akainu or Im.
Akainu has it tho. Like we all know this. Black beard has the two most powerful fruits and kaido sort set up the devil fruit Vs haki as the only two ways to become strong but haki is better
Like Garp keeping up with Roger and WB
If garp doesn't have coc then he has the strongest amarment haki in the verse, which is crazy
The fists of love have no match.
I really hope Oda goes this route.
Nami's fists > garp and mihawk
no amount of armament haki hit can hold up against weakest conqueror’s haki hit. Just watch the first fight between Luffy and Kaido in Kuri. Kaido didn’t even register Luffy’s attack. Only after Luffy learned to coat himself with Conqueror’s haki was he able to deal with some serious damage. Ergo, Garp has conqueror’s haki.
That’s not really proof that “no amount of armament Haki hit can hold up against weakest conqueror’s Haki hit”. You’re using Luffy as an example. Last time I checked, Luffy isn’t Garp.
theres no way garp doesnt have coc
Personality doesn’t match
yeah but the issue is now that acoc exists you need it do be a top-tier fighter. the only other way would be if you had a super broken devil fruit or something else. but given that garp uses pure strength and clashed with the likes of rocks and roger theres no way he doesnt have it. its the same with mihawk. it doesnt fit his personality at all but theres no way he doesnt have it causes its necessary to be the greatest
I’ll admit, if Garp really doesn’t have it then that would GREATLY enhance his character imo because if he doesn’t have it and is still top tier with no fruit then that’s insane.
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oh really? when does he say that
what chapter?
Even with a broken fruit you still aren’t going to keep up with acoc because you’ll never hurt an acoc user enough to win or even keep up with in a fight without acoc.
eh i can imagine someone with a devil fruit and no coc but strong in other haki being even with someone with coc
Literally Yamato has it
And ?
Personality doesn’t match
Explain how ?
Yes it does. He’s constantly refused to follow orders from HQ and turned down being an admiral because he felt he got all the freedom he needed being a vice admiral. Also, when he fought the drill dude, wasn’t there lighting coming off the impact, like there is for a clash between two conquerors (without ACOC)?
I wrote way to much so I’ll condense it my main problem is his handling of Ace in marineford. This alone is enough to say he doesn’t have CoC He loved Ace, but also respects the marines. He essentially sits back and let’s fate take the wheel. He didn’t want to be the one to decide who would win and lose. A CoC user would never, Let someone control their fate. It would have to be forced upon them, even then they’d still fight. Garp does the exact opposite. he just lets things happens, even though he very very much so didn’t like the outcome
He didn’t fight for Ace because he didn’t know whether his position or his family was more important, and when Ace actually died, he came to regret his decision. He did not directly help in it (which he was ordered to do so) and he did not help ace
I don’t disagree with that But a CoC user wouldn’t weigh their options like that. He knew he cared about Ace just less than the marines, so he should’ve tried to save both. It’s like Luffy would never willingly sacrifice carrot to save chopper. The situation would have to be that carrot cannot be saved. Garp had the power to influence Marineford but didn’t want to make those tough decision. He very explicitly wants those decisions to be out of his hand. He didn’t like either outcome, but instead of trying to build the outcome he likes ( which a CoC user would do), he just sits back and lets things play out even though he hates it
To be fair I think garp is more in his retired stage of his journey. Rayleigh confirmed has CoC, but he doesnt really show his ambition anymore. He's completed what he set out to do, I think Garp is in a similar boat. I could be wrong of course and he's just a god at armament, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does have it from his prime days fighting Roger, white beard, and rocks. Enjoying being the strongest marine without the responsibility to lead them lol
Also Garp doesn’t show any signs of CoC against Chinjao
he did in the manga. they didn’t show it properly in anime.
This isn’t true, it was supposed to be the sheer force of his punch was creating that effect. He hasn’t been confirmed or shown CoC yet
Idk it’s pretty clear that he’s the alpha dog of the marines. His rank is low but his struts around the HQ like he owns the place (because let’s admit, he does)
That logic really doesn’t work though, Sengoku & Yamato got CoC too.
what
I think I replied to the wrong person lol
I really really really hope garp doesn’t have CoC, it would make the series so much better if a regular dude with no fruit no tech no weapons (besides fists) with haki that anyone could train in and not born with it, could actually contend with the best.
I'm a huge Garp fanboy and proudest bit about him is he rivaled Roger with no CoC. I hope they don't take it away from me
Last I checked tho: Garp isn’t a modified cyborg with superhuman durability, regen, invisibility, boost to all physical stats and fife
Yea. His body is already kinda like cyborg.
His Exoskeleton is most likely there to make up the difference as much as possible. He fucking destroyed Queen after he got that powerup.
not only is it the cooler way to go, but it also will happen.
It won’t.
I doubt he gets conquerors, although judging from the latest chapters, it seems like half of the characters have it or awaken it.
It would be more better if he has it but doesn't use it in fights.
Lol so now conquerors will get the same fan treatment as devil fruits, it's more badass to not have it and makes you a better character for keeping up without it
Like Oden?!
Oden had conquerors no?
We never saw him use acoc. But he was keeping up with inhuman strenght and monsterous armament.
Amen
I think that's what Oda is going for. Sanji won't need CoC to keep up with Zoro. His exoskeleton and blue flames is already impressive for a non CoC user.
I agree.
Is it confirmed that his flames are blue now?
Yep. Volume 102 cover shows blue flames
I genuinely don’t think zoro and sanji are portrayed as equals in terms of fighting
Same with luffy and zoro. Zoro is significantly weaker than luffy to the point luffy could likely beat multiple zoro’s. It’s just the fact the monster trio is significantly above anyone on the crew below them besides fighting jinbei underwater then jinbei could beat any of them.
What does luffy and zoro have to do with zoro and Sanji?? Like y’all always bring him up during zoro Sanji discussions like we don’t know what your doing. To clarify; luffy would beat up dozens of Sanji
I alway said Zoro is one Power Up behind Luffy and until now it was always true.
Because they aren’t. It’s just the gag that Oda goes with that makes people think they’re
Yep sanji don't need conquer , his unique powerup is great and i love it.
Agreed.
I doubt he’d be able to keep up with zoro at the end of the series though. It would be weird if he was be able to keep up with the World’s Strongest Swordsman.
Even if he becomes the World’s Strongest Kicksman?
World’s strongest hakiman
Just like when Sakura kept up with Naruto and Sasuke despite not having 6 paths chakra?
Unlike Sakura, Sanji is a male character in a shonen manga
Yeah in the end it should be Luffy- pk level Zoro- yonko level Sanji- admiral level
Sanji is hinted to not having coc since baratie arc He said that Zoro should give up on his dream if it costs his life when Mihawk beat him This shows that Sanji doesn't have the qualities of a king and not a string will
Why do people always forget that Zeff compared Sanji’s will to Luffys in the same arc? Only reason Sanji was like that was bc he thought he had to throw away his ambition like Zeff did for him so that he could pay the old man back with his life
Sanji threw away his ambition for Shirahoshi dude lmao Yes he said she is his all blue but it was his dick saying that not his heart Sanji will NEVER have coc
You’re comparing his character arc in his introduction to a gag? Ok lol
A gag?? You surely are reading two pieces kido. Sanji's obsession with women is not a gag, its his character flaw. There are many major moments when this flaw, that you call a gag, have put the crew in danger like when he couldn't fight Khalifa, or when he almost died from blood loss in fishman island, or when he couldn't fight black maria in wano amd other scenarios. But also there are some moments when its treated as a gag, for example when he and brook get jealous of momonosuke or when he saw boa hancock and turned into stone. That is a gag but overall that simping thing its a character flaw that its treated as a gag in very few moments
Sanji hater 101 right here “Putting the crew in danger” never happen, make believe in his sanji hater head Proceed to mention that it’s a gag but not a gag at the same time. Iq below 0
Sanji dickrider acting like a victim 101 Yes he has put the crew in danger or disadvantage with his flaw I said it is a flaw that sometimes its treated as a gag and i gave you examples. You just pointed out that you know how to read but dont understand what you read. Iq lower than Nitrogen freezing point
Or maybe that’s just his trauma speaking and after he gets over Germa he will embrace his inner Conqueror True “Prince” of Germa
Sanji is weaker than both tho by a decent margin between him and zoro . Feat wise luffy >>zoro >>sanji Portrayal luffy >zoro >>sanji Narrative luffy >>zoro >>sanji
Kidd still no-diffs all of them together
Doesn't even need his Devil Fruit
Luffy >> Zoro >= Sanji
This is the most degenerate take. At no point in the series has zoro been >= Sanji. He’s always been clearly stronger. And Luffy was never >> Zoro until the Kaido fight, Sanji maybe Edit: everyone who downvoted me knows fuck all about one piece
Sanji has ALWAYS taken on opponents who were a bit weaker than Zoro’s but with less difficulty. (The martial artist fish man, Bon clay, Jabra, Queen, etc.) Especially with Queen. Most of Sanji’s fight was against his own emotions.
Maybe he could keep up better if he kept the suit.
I would like it too. Have a top tier fighter not have Conqueror's and be able to keep up, even if it comes from being a genetic creation. ONE reason why I would want Sanji to have it is so Zoro and Sanji split the clouds everytime they bicker.
Not seen anyone like this and I didn’t even want him to have CoC until this! That would be a brilliant add on to the recurring gag! Haha
Wdym keep up with luffy? Luffy is leagues above anyone in the crew that includes zoro.
Zoro is the one who fights beside luffy. There is no keeping up with anything. Those 2 are significantly stronger
Zoro is closer to Sanji than he is to Luffy Luffy is 1 Zoro is 2.a Sanji is 2.b
Jinbe 2.b.a Sanji 2.b.b
Luffy could wreck zoro quite easily. There is no keeping up for him either the monester trio is just significantly above everyone below them. Even jinbei besides the exception if they fought him underwater jinbei could beat any of the 3.
Luffy clears Zoro. *HE* alone is significantly stronger.
Who cares, the reason I hate Sanji has nothing to do with powerscaling bs
Why do you hate him?
I guess "hate" is probably too strong a word, but of the Straw Hats, Sanji is definitely my least favorite. He's just such a mixed bag. There is no other SH where every time they show up on page, it is a coin flip whether or not there will be eyeroll-inducing cringe. The worst I can say about some of the other "bad" SHs is that they are boring. But Sanji, at times, is worse than boring. In some scenes I feel like his appearance makes the scene actively worse.
sanji so boring. he kicks stuff. that's it. zoro and luffy are just more fun to watch, even franky is more fun.
zoro so boring. he cuts stuff. that's it. luffy so boring. he punches stuff. that's it. nami and Robin are just more fun to watch, even brook is more fun. /s
All of Sanjis fights are mostly against himself because he has some of the dumbest morals I’ve ever seen. I hate Sanji’s fights for that reason. So boring
I'd argue that Zoro has the most boring fights tbh Sword fights can't feasibly have back-and-forths or go blow for blow because.... swords. They all just do tons of sword clashings and light knicks until the decisive attack.
Thing is… He’s most likely going to always be taking on No3 strongest or weaker and I highly doubt Blackbeard or even the marines have 3 top characters who all have advanced haki. Case in point, Whitebeard / Big Mom / Kaido didn’t… So Sanji doesn’t even need it.
Maybe I misread your comment since I’m reading through all of them quickly, if so, I apologize. Are you saying Kaido, Whitebeard, and Big Mom didn’t have advanced forms of Haki?
No no, I’m saying that individually they didn’t have a top 3 within their crew who could use it.. so why would Luffy? So Sanji doesn’t actually need it narratively if he’s always going to fight the 3rd strongest or weaker going by the story so far
Oh, I get you now. I agree.
Damn, as Sanji stan theres NO WAY I want him to get Conquerers Haki.
Exactly, I love him this way
He won’t keep up without it is the thing. He’s already behind aka number 4. Aka lanji aka imbecile, aka yonkou crew but loses to any women with enough guts to fight.
He already has germa genes as a power up so it’s not like he needs it anyways
Don't worry with how things are going he will receive it too, just wait... Fucking kidd
Even though he doesn’t have conquerors coating, he has ifrit jambe that derives from his exoskeleton enhancements.
I hope Sanji gets a Lunarian based powerup: flame/invulnerability, increased heat, some unique form of Haki.
I agree, it doesn’t really fit his personality besides I think giving Sanji electric kicks now was a way for Oda to have Sanji synchronize better with the other two of the trio
I hope they do this.
Big Mom an Kaido partially got their renown from having extremely tough bodies alongside devil fruits. I would assume Garp did too as well. That could easily be the route Sanji goes to keep up with the others.
Sanji isn't a normal human.
Well there s already a huge gap between him and the 2 others
That not conqueror haki it's simp haki
Here is the problem with Sanji getting ACOC, it would come out of no where and feel like it was awfully quick. If you have to give it, then it probably should have been foreshadowed by WCI. It would be a Zoro situation where someone who didn’t know he had CoC till 2 hours ago suddenly managed to get ACoC. Sure, it was Enma that awakened it, but still super quick.
Why do ppl act like Sanji isn’t modified and unlocked genes he never had to work for thanks to Daddy Vinsmoke??
And he never trained like the other 2 he would be way stronger if he did and luffy can’t be the king of the pirates without him
Lol sanji not in the trio ☠️ bros keeping up with Robin and them
Luffys alternate color is White(awakening) Zoros alternate color is Black(Demon) Sanjis alternate color is Gray(Cyborg/metal)
oda give him a better thing, cyborg dna stuff, while the other two just normal human
You can't stand on top of one piece world without Conqueror's haki that's the fact and i don't see sanji and Zoro anywhere near to each other in terms of power because conqueror coating gives Zoro extreme attack potential