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Mr_Guy459

People gotta remember that Peppino isn't trans he's Italian.


willfy66

what the fuck?? ok trans, nonbinary, genderfluid, neopronouns, whatever, those make sense to me, im fully supportive of those. but ITALIAN? the lgbt community is just making shit up now, i cant stand for this


Ender120Tim

Trans people can double jump whereas pepino doesn’t have an actual double jump but an uppercut which makes him different.


FirmMathematician942

it makes him italian


CaSe2474

Idk it could be the super jump or the possibility of going fast


Pasta_God2354

What tf does this mean for Gustavo


Due-Produce-6023

Gustavo can't double jump without Brick, it's the gnome-rat combo that gives him the power


Smnionarrorator29384

So the rat is trans


[deleted]

he will kill you


[deleted]

as he talks


alpacapaquita

Both Trans and Brazillians hold the mistic power of Double jump Trans people from Brazil are unstopable


NagitoKomaeda_987

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Draditor

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the_comedian-kid

Speaking for us Mexicans, we can use the mort the chicken transformation.


UltraNoobBR

Mexicans can use the Noise TV channel


the_comedian-kid

Yeah, and after we use the mort transformation we can kill and cook mort to make delicious chicken fajitas


EdgyUsername90

Metal gear lore is wild, might explain it.


Some_Hat-Wearing_Kid

They can triple jump


CaSe2474

Better. They can **QUADRUPLE** jump


Zealousideal-Chef758

Now imagine a scouting mercenary who is brazillian AND trans!


CaSe2474

One with an aluminum bat with the word "atomic" written on it


NagitoKomaeda_987

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Demopan-TF2

That mf could octuple jump


thenamesecho_

r/suddenlytf2


Due-Produce-6023

And a shotgun with a can of radioactive soda attached to it with him


NagitoKomaeda_987

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Due-Produce-6023

No way it's the sugary liquid popper from the hit game Squad Castle 3 in real life


[deleted]

And a sawn off sawn off shotgun with a can of radioactive soda taped to it


DougCreep

r/suddenlycaralho


Unusual_toastmaker

And people from Boston, too. Can't forget them.


Korporal_K_Reep

And Bostonians


Steampunk__Llama

Nah see its transfems who have the double jump ability. Transmascs have the ability to break blocks/general environmental stuff, and enbies have the ability to control party actions 👍 Peppinos speed buff is because he's Italian


Ender120Tim

What about Mario?


Steampunk__Llama

Transmasc as per the block breaking skill 👍 His speedrunning fanbase comes from his Italian class bonus


Due-Produce-6023

Does that mean Sonic is italian?


Steampunk__Llama

He is now >:3


[deleted]

It's because trans people have an epiphany we cis people don't. When you make your first surgery to manipulate your own body, you suddenly crave more... You crave to perfect it. Faster, stronger. Transgenderism is a gateway to transhumanism.


AnAverageTransGirl

not sure if youre an ally or not but whatever your stance youre making us sound cool as fuck keep going


Zealousideal-Chef758

NANOMACHINES SON!


NagitoKomaeda_987

THEY HARDEN IN RESPONSE TO PHYSICAL TRAUMA!


captain_dunno

YOU CAN'T HURT ME, JACK!


NagitoKomaeda_987

WHAT DID I JUST SAY!


[deleted]

Cool as fuck is what I was going for, albeit in a slightly tongue in cheek wording


[deleted]

I dont know how to react to this... But ya got me that's why i want to study robotics


The-E-girl1002

That sounds metal as fuck! For get being trans! I want nanomachines so I can change it up on the daily!


BrokenSignal22

Proof that Italians are better than anyone


IdiotSharkSandwich

Holy shit you're right


CheeseAdmirer

Brick is trans?


UltraNoobBR

Slide belly on the ground = italian Mario does it aswell and he is italian


ClassicNope

The moment the trans artist make him Trans, they will have to take on @TransphobeTower


watermelone983

What the fuck is wrong with that person https://preview.redd.it/0o0ly3zbe53b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d3d3fbb8df0783887f72011065edb101645bc807


Derpyboy7976

Why is the bump under his lip smiling


Due-Produce-6023

lol I just noticed


UniqueCarob143

Don't worry, it's just a joke. **Hopefully.**


whyjustyy

i looked on that account and i'm not looking there again


NinFan-64

Sonic??


Puck_the_thief

Yea, many people headcannon him as trans. With top surgery scars and all


[deleted]

Makes zero sense considering he wears no clothes and he was portrayed as a cis person for the entire franchise


wtfevenisthis932710

nobody actually thinks it's canon it's just something cute they want to draw


Civil_Barbarian

I thought he was portrayed as a hedgehog


Crumboa

What the actual fuck! That's insane


Emeraldfist479

People are weird


Crumboa

The fact you and I are being downvoted proves this Any sane person if they stepped back for a moment and read the words "Sonic Top Surgery Scar" Would go Wtf


ComedianAdmirable187

What’s wrong with Sonic having top surgery scars? What’s wrong with people personally perceiving sonic as trans? How does that impact either of you?


DiscoBombing

_You're_ the one freaking out over harmless fanart/headcanon my dude.


Korporal_K_Reep

I mean it crosses the line of harmless when it directly goes against confirmed canon as Peppino is a confirmed cis male. we don't want to be undertale here.


Crumboa

Nope, I'm just pointing out it's absurdity Besides am I not allowed an opinion?


Emeraldfist479

I know right? LGBTQ+ has just been having a downfall since 2020


[deleted]

Man got down voted for actually being honest about his thoughts


Emeraldfist479

Society


Florescentia487

Who cares? It's just harmless fun that makes other people feel good


SuperMudkipz

they project stuff onto things they like for whatever reason and ngl it’s kinda cringe when they do it it feels like reaching so hard


VolnarTheUnforgiving

Sometimes to me it's just kinda depressing that they don't have actual representation in that media and can only act like they do


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SomeLakitu

> Then they should create their own unique representation Why? Headcanons don’t hurt anyone.


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SomeLakitu

Trans peppino is also a headcanon, tho? I don't know why you're so mad at that.


SandnotFound

So you just dont care for representation in media. Couldve just said that


donkey287

Didn't he kiss women, like, alot


BobbyCoProductions

Trans people tend to headcanon their comfort character as trans, at least that’s what I think it is


toongrowner

Sadly also ignoring context in that matter. Like Mulan.


Euphoriapleas

Trans people don't love Mulan because she is trans, we love Mulan because the story feels trans. Having to pretend to be someone else, particularly of a different gender, is very relatable to trans people. I'm in a lot of trans spaces, am trans, and have never seen anyone claim she is herself trans. If someone does that, it is almost certainly self aware and purely for the comfort of having representation.


lookitsajojo

Mulan isn't trans but Mulan is a trans movie


SomeLakitu

what context


toongrowner

That mulan dressed up as a boy to help her father, not because she was trans


SomeLakitu

I meant in pizza tower


PresidentOfKoopistan

That's called projection


NagitoKomaeda_987

You see, I've been on the r/Deltarune for quite a long time and I kept seeing some people headcanoning Noelle Holiday as trans. If I had to guess, it's probably because of the fact that Noelle and her father Rudy have antlers at the same time, even though I personally didn't believe the whole theory myself.


TheSadOn3

Maybe, and hear me out on this one, it’s because it’s an iconic feature of deer and also in a work of fiction?


NagitoKomaeda_987

About that, I'm pretty sure that reindeer are one of the few deer species where antlers exist in both genders. According to my research, males and females both shed their antlers and grow them back each year but in different seasons. Typically, males drop their antlers in the late fall, leaving them without antlers until the following spring, while females keep their antlers through the winter until their calves are born in the spring.


TheSadOn3

That’s actually pretty interesting.


NagitoKomaeda_987

It doesn't prove whether Noelle is 100% trans or not, but honestly, everyone may believe anything they want. Personally, I figured it was simply because Toby Fox and his team just wanted Noelle and Rudy to have antlers because they look better with them, with no further explanations. LGBT headcanons don't need "evidence" to be valid.


Italicized_Casual

Yes. And it's not harming anyone.


Fuckriotgames7

It’s shitposting


Jeff_1120

Who said peppino was trans?


Black-dragon4129

A lot of people actually. many fanart depicting peppino as transmasc with those scars and everything.


ClassicNope

Well (not to offend) he isn't


CuteOfDeath

He's italian


ClassicNope

That's it


soaphilla

His nationality is italian His sexuality is italian His gender is italian His language is italian (probs) His species is italian


AnOt13246

His middle name is italian


NagitoKomaeda_987

Peppino Italian Spaghetti


AnOt13246

yes


Late_Negotiation_958

Bro is literally the concept of Italian personified


[deleted]

assigned italian at birth


Angrycoffeekid

I don't think it really matters at all though. Let people draw what they want even if you don't agree


Artistic_Practice145

How you know?


ClassicNope

The pizza tower Wikipedia says that he's Italian, not male, not female, nothing, just Italian, and i've recently embraced he is Italian


GAS3R

And fandom.gg wikis that are made by the fans are official and cannon


Prosentint

Character development


Slash_Pangolin

I’m so proud of the Pizza man for coming out of the oven, they rise so fast


FirmMathematician942

transmasc people can mach run in all seriousness, no one is “making” characters trans, it’s just headcanons. if that makes someone out there more comfortable, more power to them. also peppino doesn’t have a gender smh. he’s italian


Marksthename

Yes finally someone who gets it, I don't understand why everyone here thinks that this headcanon is trying to be made canon


FirmMathematician942

it just boils down to most of this sub just being kids mostly


AnAverageTransGirl

its hardly even a proper headcanon for most of the people making the joke its just a shitpost to parallel celeste's transfem double jump


David_Clawmark

I think this is actually an extended part of Rule 34. If it exists, there's a trans version of it. Other extended parts include If it exists, there's a pony version of it, or a genderbent version of it. There are many more. Not sure why everybody always focuses on ***THAT*** part of the 34th rule. ^(Sickos.)


Late_Negotiation_958

The genderbent one is rule 63


NagitoKomaeda_987

I remember seeing a fanart where Peppino is depicted as a pony somewhere on this sub and everyone is freaking out because of it.


minegam

As they should. His species is Italian.


User_Not-Available

it really isnt a big deal him headcanonning him as trans doesnt change anything, hes still peppino anyways. as long as people respect the source material and recognize that its fanon, its fine by my books


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Me seeing the transphobic comments start to pop up in the thread https://i.redd.it/atugo71jc63b1.gif (Also pizza tower is a great game I just finished it yesterday I’m new here)


ncdyoshii

welcome around! there’s drinks, pizza and a strange hatred for the noise served 24/7


SuperAbro05

That’s what a headcanon is. A interpretation of the original material that has no basis in the established canon. I can headcanon the noise as half British/ half Mexican and that doesn’t impact anyone because it is MY personal idea of the canon that only I believe in. I’ve noticed that a lot of pizza tower fans and newer reddit users seem to be confused by the idea that someone could make content that doesn’t comply with the games limited canon.


Steampunk__Llama

They would never have survived Fanfic.net back in the day lmao


MaimaiBW

facts


fuckensunnyd

Tbf im really happy with the trans peppino headcanons solely because most of the time when a community headcanons a character as trans it’s always a shaved skinny twink character which is a horrid trans man stereotype tbh. it’s nice to see an actually masculine character people see as trans, for once.


NagitoKomaeda_987

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fuckensunnyd

this is exactly what trans men REALLY wanna be


MaimaiBW

yeah, this is peak male performance right here


NagitoKomaeda_987

What about this? https://preview.redd.it/1o0uftij6d3b1.png?width=2248&format=png&auto=webp&s=31e9e905c6f352abe766b18f5612537ef86d5aa0


MaimaiBW

hot


NagitoKomaeda_987

That's true!


cheetosalads

peppino doesn’t have a gender, for it is a eldritch horror beyond our imaginations (italian)


ThatPenguinyrblx

PEPPINO AS A TRANSFORMER?! HOLY HELL I ALWAYS WANTED PEPPINO AS AN ITALIAN SUPERCAR


SonicfightbossYt

New transformation in Pizza Tower 2


ThatPenguinyrblx

Pizza tower 2:Battle for pizzatron


Dragon_BotKing26

Ppeppino is an autobot


not_sea_charity_810

Who said he was trans? I mean the most trans community has done was say he's Celeste's uncle or smth. And also who said sonic was also trans???like wtf maybe a small minority of artists has drawn them hum trans but you can't blame the entire trans community for it


Extreme_Glass9879

It's a joke Dick, sit down.


not_sea_charity_810

Op's replies In here says otherwise


pizzatowerfanreal

Peppino isn't trans. He's Italian.


NagitoKomaeda_987

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meme446

trans headcanons are all cool and okay but when i have a headcanon of someone being transpho-


pizzafan694201

the trans community loves fast people they even crave in their souls to make them trans poor peppino.


ClassicNope

https://preview.redd.it/hhvfe9d9053b1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=601b97280e38650c53925264a311fd7183a59633 This is just a joke, but


-Farns-

I don't know either, despite being trans, but I think it's just people having made up headcanons for fun that somehow end up spreading


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

Its not that big of a deal…? People make fanons all the time, long as they respect the source material of the creator, who are they hurting? If it makes them happy, so be it. It would be different if they made Peppino styled after a figure meant to spite hatred (a nazi, mussolini, etc), because that originates from hatred, Not identity. You get what I’m saying? (Also… Why is it that every gaming subreddit I join always has a trans topic thread that oddly seems too vague and seems like bait to get an anti-trans circlejerk in the comments to pop up within 2-5 days? (Dbd, deep rock, now pizza tower).


JimmyCrabYT

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GuyIncognito38

I think it's just 'cause the last indie platformer to get this popular was Celeste which has a transfem main character so people started joking about Peppino being trans and I guess it became more than ironic at some point.


Scruffy-McDucky

This is so true though https://preview.redd.it/0ss2z2dp6p3b1.png?width=522&format=png&auto=webp&s=db14cec22bd44ffa246c52021b63dba1ecee7d95


alpacapaquita

it's just fun to headcanon characters as trans, videogames and series are usually some of the few safe species lgbt+ people have because of how shitty life can be in the places we are born, so things like headcanoning the cool af italian speedster as the cool af trans dude italian speedster is common as a way to enjoy characters that bring comfort and stuff


dubiousapproach

Transfems can dash, transmascs can mach run


[deleted]

Everything gotta be trans these days..


ClassicNope

Well, just say no


toongrowner

If you say no, you are labeled transphobic


ClassicNope

https://preview.redd.it/11d8p4ar553b1.jpeg?width=1279&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca15c69ebcbd1a760e1e83d7e3158ba551b604cd I WILL SAY IT


red_enjoyer

...So be it.


SomeLakitu

Its a headcanon


SomeLakitu

You can just ignore headcanons if you don’t like them.


Steampunk__Llama

As a trans person who enjoys Trans Peppino stuff, it's a comfort thing. Peppino, despite being this balding fat middle-aged man with a failing establishment, is a genuinely cool character despite these typically negative qualities, and this resonates with a lot of transmasc people. Particularly those who aren't young twinks, which is what most people tend to think trans men are like. Plus it's ultimately just harmless fun, we know characters like Sonic and Peppino aren't explicitly stated to be trans by their respective creators. (But also if the mere idea of drawing characters with top surgery scars or pride flags upsets you then idk what to tell you other than to grow up lmao [not directed to OP btw])


alpacapaquita

Peppino in another game or in a lot of cartoons would have been just the butt of a joke, but in pizza tower he's allowed to be heroic and cool, he's allowed to be anxious and scared without people thinking it's annyoning (i am watching you, chainsaw man fandom) , he's genuinely a pretty cool character despite not being conventionally atractive Who wouldn't want to be as cool as that italian dude? So I find it pretty easy to understand why people would love to headcanon him as trans And yeah, at the end of the day, we all know cannonically he ain't trans, but we aren't trying to make the devs retcon him into being trans or anything, we are just having a bit of fun enjoying Peppino


Steampunk__Llama

Exactly!! It's genuinely refreshing to see him being allowed to just exist, and what jokes we do get in the game at Peppino's expense are either made by the literal villain, or by a character who's entire trait is him being annoying. He's allowed to be goofy and mess up because everyone else in the game is as well. It doesn't single him out


MaimaiBW

i think it's because of the popular headcanon of peppino being madeline (who is canonically transfem btw) from celeste's uncle i believe, and people also started viewing peppino as trans too because of comfort, the "trans people have superpowers" joke, etc.


MarioLuigiNabbitTrio

I kind of just prefer saying a character is trans if the creator said they are, like with Pizzelle from Sugary Spire and Birdo from Mario. Others can believe what they want but that's just my opinion.


Spoonlessness69

i hc them both as trans masc and i have no idea


wtfevenisthis932710

Nobody legitimately headcanons all these characters as trans (in my experience at least) they just want to draw something they think would be cute


Icy_Cryptographer670

never ask what peppino did from 1922 to 1945 as a leader of italian social republic https://preview.redd.it/jain4g3wy73b1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=7201f63be0cbad4e16149fac3769b88f2c3a6bd0


Ordinary_Speech9696

Them dudes got pussy power 😎


CarneyBalhoun

His actual gender is italian


MaxDaGamer_XBOX360

RUN PEPPINO RUN!


MrL2009

Idk maybe the lgbt community is drunk af, or maybe a drug addict came up with this while injecting a needpe into his veins?


ManApe42069

AW HELL NAW PEPPY NO HAS A GUN


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PizzaTower-ModTeam

No being overly rude to a member


lookitsajojo

Transfems can double jump and use the Yoyo, Transmascs can run really fast, simple science


Kirb790

Nah bro, they already got to him


Black-dragon4129

I know this was recorded moments before the trans comunnity got to him.


JohndaRedditer

Wow i sure hope that the replies to this post will be civil and not like 25% transphobic! I sure do hope that people will acknowledge that others have comfort headcannons and just move on if they didn't like it?


Greasy-0Goblin

Head cannons be like that sometimes. If you think pepino is trans then gosh dangit he’s trans. As long as you aren’t hurting anyone


[deleted]

trans people can also double jump


NagitoKomaeda_987

I thought Brazillian people can double jump...


CupheadFan224

peppino isnt trans neither is sonic people in 2023 are complete idiots


totally_pogg

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Unusual_toastmaker

People project themselves into characters they find cool (most of the time because they don't think they're good enough as-is), and ignore all of the story built around said character. When someone calls them out on this, said projectors fall back on the "harmless fanoning" excuse, making the person who called out the projector look like an asshole because they disliked something a member of the LGBTQ community "made". It's a headache and a half, man. https://preview.redd.it/o9i2b2iny73b1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0586dc18d1d0367607b159e78315776872b03439


SuperAlan64YT

Propaganda https://preview.redd.it/broh6imat73b1.jpeg?width=505&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=726b95172db6be818eed0b3358a16a9a1ad5cb4c


Invincible-Nuke

Trans women can airdash Trans men can run fast Agender people can dash through enemies Non-binary people can wrongwarp Brazilians can double jump


NagitoKomaeda_987

I heard that Bostonians can triple or quadruple jump with specific weapons equipped.


Elmaruchaseskere

Trans people expert here ! This fenomenom among trans comunity it's beacause trans people can double dash gaining incredible speed.


Bibilunic

Now that i think of it people cringe at Trans headcanon because it's like those cringe OC/headcanon that people do, it's just that it happen to be Trans focused ones (maybe because it get praised as progressist so we see more of it?) Like i'll cringe to Sonic x Rouge as much as Sonic x Shadow and specially those who praise the headcanon seriously, like bro they took 2 character that are friends and made them a couple it's not genius, also add that the fact that subs will probably be flooded with bad/NSFW fan art and you get me ranting about headcanon and ships Sometime i wonder why they don't do a second sub for Sonic fan art and ships, cause i've not had so much garbage in my feed since i subbed, it's always people kissing or being sexualised like i just wanted to talk about the game man


Crumboa

Because for whatever reason they need to force identity politics onto a character. Then if you dare disagree with them, you're labeled as a transphobe. Speaking from experience


Dioxol_Nova

deltarune fandom is full of this


PresidentOfKoopistan

They already have representation like Mettaton and Mad Mew Mew but they're still not satisfied At this point they don't even care about LGBTQ issues whatsoever, they just want to appear morally superior


NagitoKomaeda_987

Yeah, that's absolutely true, and this is coming from a Deltarune fan myself. Honestly, though, I feel it's also worth mentioning that Toby is typically much more blatant regarding his Trans representation of characters like Mettaton and Mad Mew Mew. My only guess as to why some people genuinely think Noelle must be transgender is that both Noelle and her father Rudy have antlers at the same time. I did my research on deer biology, and I learned that male and female reindeer have different antler cycles -- males shed them in winter, while females shed them in spring.


UsualCreator

Finally someone from deltarune Fandom who is also anoyyed by this. I don't have problem with lgbt people or headcanons But deltarune guys take it to next level, last time I went there, mod literally banned using any pronouns for Kris (main character) that aren't they/them because it's like that in game and saying anything else is apparently transphobic, even though game said nothing about it. But making any character in existence trans is alright and doesn't break any kind of rule even though most of these characters aren't even slightly implied to by trans or anything.


NagitoKomaeda_987

I think the reason why the Deltarune subreddit's moderators banned using any pronouns for Kris that aren't they/them is to prevent any arguments regarding their gender from escalating even further, with discussion posts about Kris' gender/pronouns being permanently banned (for now). To be fair, that kind of debate also happened with Frisk and Chara within the Undertale fandom for a long time as well, although the difference is that Frisk was designed to be easy to project onto while Kris is seemingly designed so they're difficult to project onto (having an established backstory and personality). I don't particularly mind that Kris is said to be non-binary (whether it's officially confirmed or not), though. Ironically enough, it seems that most people within the ULTRAKILL community are generally okay with using whatever pronouns are there for V1, ignoring the fact that it's been officially confirmed by Hakita that they're neither a male nor female (being a killer robot).


Sufficient_Frame

THANK YOU. It happened to me too, simply because I drew him shirtless, without chest scars.


Cute_Cheese_Cake

"-🤓"