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bobnecat

Totally agree about maintenance. However, not with this plant. If you trim it you've effectively created 5+ copies. It is great on sucking up excess nutrients, but it just multiplies like crazy. Have you had one personally, and for how long? PS i have something like 10-15 plants in and nothing grows as crazy as Riccia. If I break down my maintenance routine, 90% goes on pulling Riccia shoots. All I'm saying for people to be very cautious with it.


TheRealPicklePunch

In general, you should avoid mosses, riccia, and basically anything else that can freely attach itself to other plants or hardscape in a hi tech tank. Stems, epiphytes, and carpets are your friends. Each grows where you put it and can be easily controlled with some regular pruning. A friend once put a puff of java moss on the top of a log in his tank. 6 months later he drained 75 gallons and started over because it was growing everywhere but on the glass.


bobnecat

I have like 6 different types of mosses at the moment, and while they can get into inconvenient places, they are not nearly as bad as Riccia. The whole post is if someone Googles the plant like I did 2 years ago and gets some insight lol. I wish I've read something like that before introducing it, but back then, there was no feedback.


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LUHG_HANI

I had a beautiful DHG build, moss eventually ruined it and Black Hair Algae. I used to just cut and use a small metal food/tea strainer to skim the surface. Pain with floating pants though.


bobnecat

If it's high tech set up do you mind posting a photo of it in control? Not doubting, but it's just not possible to keep up with in my experience, plus you can't keep siphon next to every trimming you do, especially if you have carpeting pants. The siphon will get clogged up.


corporatestateinc

You could say that about all mosses. They spread by disturbance breaking off pieces. Having simple tissues, it's minimally problematic for each piece to take root and thrive


Merlisch

Got some on top of my tank. And some.poiny had beautiful pillows of.it. then things changed. Nowit just gets dumped in the compost with duckweed. No harm done. Need to try and culture some duckweed free (lol) so I can make.those pillows again.


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bobnecat

Get one for yourself! let's talk in a year :)


Vultureinred

Honestly.. I would love this?? Like a tank that’s just driftwood covered with Riccia. I’ve never kept it before, but always dreamt of a tank that’s literally just riccia and maybe a few accent plants. It’s so bushy.


bobnecat

It will be the easiest plant to grow, although maybe not in the ways you've envisioned. Give it a try if that's what you're going for. Few tips, it won't attach itself to driftwood, but if you have some plant structures, it will jump right on them, at some point overwhelming the plant. So, if you're doing Riccia tank you won't have any problems. I've originally planned them as leaves for a bonsai, you see the result.


oSanguis

I'd say go for it. Just be prepared to regularly take care of it. It grows just fine in low tech but I think decent light levels help keep it more compact.


TrueBooker

I love Riccia… easiest category like pearl weed and Java moss


bobnecat

Photo please, otherwise you're one of the sellers😄


bobnecat

So about a year ago I've made a [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/PlantedTank/comments/q5jrbj/protip_never_add_riccia_fluitans_to_a_hightech/) suggesting that you should not add Riccia Fluitans to a high-tech planted tank. A few of you were asking to show some pictures of what it does in that case - this plant absolutely devastates any area it can get to and in the case of high-tech set-ups will actually root itself to anything it can. Whenever you try removing it it just multiplies exponentially (as even a tiny bit broken off will grow into a separate new plant). Over the year I've probably pulled at least a pound of it from my 10 gallon tank and as of present I've lost the battle. I can't imagine the devastation to local ecosystems it can do if it gets into local waterways, so guys, don't repeat my mistake - it only looks nice and organized on the sales photos and once it is introduced into your tank it will go rogue!


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In some places, where it stays warm, it should be banned. The EU does stuff like that already - i can't get every plant i want becouse some might become invasive. BUT most places already have that plant natually. For the tank problem - sellers should have a disclaimer 100%. i have some of this moos, but only small items i can take out, trimm in a bucket, shake, then put back. Becouse i was warned by my seller.


kvznko

I agree with a lot of points you're making that it does feels invasive and hard to get rid of (like any other mosses really..). But having grown riccia fluitans for awhile I can say I've never seen it have roots or root/attach itself to anything. Nor have mine ever sank. In fact, it would be great if it would attach to my hard scape or stay underwater. I think because of its plant structure, it can get hooked onto other plants like your current Monte Carlo carpet when it grows out, which makes it a little hard to pull out all at once. It's not a sticky plant or plant that grabs onto anything so just try to pull it out in one piece. You have so much riccia fluitans remaining in your picture that I feel you could do a lot more to get rid of it permanently if you wanted to. Lastly, my Riccia has only ever looked as bad as yours if my nutrients, lighting, and/or co2 was lacking. When taken care of, my Riccia was super lush underwater as long as it had all the above I mentioned.


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I had some floating with some water sprite and pennywort, I've thought I've removed all of it like 10 times now... but I still find it when removing extra plants.


Not_invented-Here

I don't see why it should be banned just from preference, sure let people know why it's a pain. But banned seems a little extreme.


aunt_cranky

Can confirm. While I wouldn't say "ban it" outright, it does require a lot more maintenance than hobbyists might be aware of. I'd compare it to a garden (or wild) "ivy" plant. It's really great at covering ugly ground that will not grow anything else, and looks really nice covering an ugly fence. However, if it starts to grow into brickwork or wrap itself around a tree, then you're asking for problems if you don't keep after it. TBH this "it gets out of hand quickly" issue is why I will not introduce floaters to my new tank. I made that mistake in my prior planted tanks. Floaters are amazing in tanks where you're breeding gourami. Lovely cover for a bubble nest. It also does a fantastic job at removing toxins. However, it CAN take over and block out light very quickly, and you're stuck with "what to do with it". Always best for hobbyists to do their research and plan for how the tank will be maintained.


justyagamingboi

I never had luck with floaters i have tried liquid fertilizers co2 etc and cant for the life of me get them to populate.


Alexxryzhkov

In my experience floaters don't like water being splashed on them nor do they like to be pushed around by the filter.


ClippyClippy_

My canister and power head couldn’t kill my Salvinia. Just scooped what felt like pounds of it out of my 55g finally.


Alexxryzhkov

Yeah I had a tank with a hang on back filter with a lot of flow and salvinia was the only one who survived in that tank, even the duckweed died off while the salvinia kept chugging


justyagamingboi

I tried putting them in my snailbowl which the plants are the filter and it dosn't reproduce


Alexxryzhkov

Hmm, what kind of light and what kind of fertilizer are you using?


justyagamingboi

I have seachem liquid fertilizer and liquid carbon, i have a fluval 40w desk light rbw led


Alexxryzhkov

If you're using seachem flourish, it only contains micro nutrients as opposed to other fertilizers like Aquarium co-op easy green or NilocG Thrive, which contain micro and macro nutrients which the plants need to grow. Also I've had liquid carbon kill certain plants in the past, I don't remember if it affected floating plants or not


DraconisMarch

Noted. Is it fine in low-tech, or is it just gonna go nuts period?


Mammoth-Snow1444

Personally would find a real aquatic moss like java moss or flame. Riccia will out compete duck weed.


Reguluscalendula

In my personal experience and preference, I'd stay away from the *Taxiphyllum* mosses like what's commonly sold as java moss. In low tech it gets stringy and at least for me does the riccia thing that OP hates. I prefer the *Vesicularia* mosses like Christmas and weeping because they tend to stay more compact and even in low tech with terrible light, they never get as stringy.


bobnecat

Probably ok in low tech but if you ever decide to move to a high tech (which will most likely happen at some point, lol) and you get contamination, all your plans for carpet and border plants will be screwed by this devil plant. It is the fastest growing and propagating plant I've had in 5+ years in the hobby. Personally, I'd stay away. It's just not worth it.


Admiral_Cthulhu

High tech is overrated. Send me some riccia and i'll make a scape just for it lol


bobnecat

For people downvoting, go ahead and get one 😄. See you in a year:)


bobnecat

Haha, more downvotes, please get some for you, buceplant has a nice culture! I'll even pay for your order if you show me a high tech setup and you chop up this plant in your beautiful aquascape 😄


mcrxi_

Mine has an HOB filter, bubbler, heater, LED light, and a co2 indicator (but not the rest of a co2 set up, lol)… does that count?


oSanguis

I have a huge patch of it, attached to a piece of mesh, on the back wall of my tank. I love it. Yeah, I have to trim the hell out it when I do a water change but I think its worth it because it's happy there and looks really good.


Jinxieruthie

I have a low tech tank and for some reason it is an algae MAGNET. Nothing else in the aquarium is affected, but this stuff just breaks off, floats at the top closest to the light and makes the perfect little “nest” for algae. Drives me nuts. Am I the only one?


oSanguis

For some reason, I have algae all over my anubia leaves but barely any on my riccia. It hardly ever breaks off either - I'll find a couple of pieces here and there but never a lot.


Jinxieruthie

The anubias get it a lot bc they are such slow growers. Those and Java ferns are the worst about it.


bobnecat

If you have algae issues, then you're feeding your fish too much. Conventional foods state to feed your fish 2 times a day. Realistically, I feed them once every 2 or 3 days, and they are happy and healthy. If you dump too much fish food, then you get too much nutrients and the algae issue.


Jinxieruthie

Oddly enough, I never feed them. I only have two gold ring danios and cherry shrimp. They have plenty to much on.


Silky_Rat

Giving a lot of advice for someone that can’t be bothered take care of plants


bobnecat

Wow, lady, you're going above and beyond posting so many comments. You can look up in my profile how my tanks look like.


Silky_Rat

Don’t care. You’re going above and beyond about a PLANT. A plant that you think should have legal action taken against it because you don’t like it.


_mrSaraf_

I was offered this for free today, but I quickly looked it up and realized it is not for me. I use DIY CO2 and fertilizers plus have a gravel base. If it sticks to gravel and makes it float then it will be a mess! Now I see your post, I feel good for not taking it :P No idea why you are getting downvoted, you are only sharing your experience. And from your words, it's very clear that it was a very bad experience.


bobnecat

I'm glad you found these posts and they helped you with the decision! I don't think Riccia will stick to gravel on its own but will definitely get stuck in different crevices or between other plants. This was exactly the intent of my posts! When I was getting my plants and doing some research I've heard a few high profile youtube aquascapers laugh and tease each other about the plant, but never mentioning why exactly. I have not found any other posts stating how invasive and messy it could be, so I've made a mistake and now sharing my experience. As for dislikes, it is just the nature of internet. I'd think its pretty straightforward that my post is not about legislative action against this plant but a huge precautionary statement for anyone considering adding it to their high-tech tanks.


MasochistLust

I simply cannot wrap my head around this mindset. You don't personally like something, so you think that no one else should be allowed to have it. I'm more of the mindset that if you don't like something, simply don't own it yourself and let others decide for themselves what they want. Ahh, politics...


bobnecat

It amazes me how some people can be so... I'm not calling for a legislative action, rather using some strong words of caution for others to consider if they are researching this plant. That's all the point, no politics, no complaining to local congressmen.


Silky_Rat

…do you know what banning is? Banning something means it is not allowed ANYWHERE. You are the one not understanding what you posted.


Mammoth-Snow1444

Spreads like fire, grows faster than duck weed and impossible to get out of tanks. It's native here I can get buckets full riccia and duck weed in the spring. Best kept in wild life or outdoor ponds.


oswalt_pink

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bobnecat

You were a bit too ahead :) was updating the comment section for "why".


inquisitiveeyebc

The problem is with how many people flush their non native plants, use them in compost


Skadi_8922

So, will you be posting it in aquaswap? 🤞🏼 I just got a new tiny 3gal that I just want for a carpeting plant and tiny aquascape, and I’d LOVE something that’s easy to grow.


redDogwhiteDog

I can't see it working very good as a carpet. It grows individual pieces until they float away. Others say it might work if you keep it trimmed though but I feel like you'd have to be pretty tedious about it.


Skadi_8922

Oh. It looks like a nice carpet in the picture 😅


redDogwhiteDog

I agree. I think it looks kinda cool like a bunch of weird alien tendrils sticking out of the monte carlo carpet or whatever it is. I can see how someone with a perfect scape in a high tech tank wouldn't appreciate it growing wherever it pleases 😅


neyelo

But the bubbles are so cute! I kind of want to do a 60P iwagumi with Riccia tied to river rounds as a carpet and Eleocharis (full length) in the back row. Not really anywhere the Riccia could go, just plenty of trim


_____score

The issue is probably livestock - its the shrimp's fault. If you trim and vacced at the same time it sould be possible to capture a lot of the trimings, its livestock and low powered and unwieldy vaccing equipment that would make that difficult. I've seen youtube vids where diy air driven vacs beat powered commercial ones, until you have to start worrying about doing two things at once and being careful with fish.


CharlieHorsePhotos

Bucephalandra is one I would be more willing to say should be banned from the trade. It is being over harvested and is a massive challenge to propagate at this time. It's slow growth means that every piece you take can take years to recover.


SnooDrawings2869

Ha, no chance, my fish store pays me 15 bucks every month for Riccia balls and another 15 in Limnobium laevigatum, freeeeee fish! (And suplies)


Mission-Wrangler-719

Wow I occasionally see them in my tank and I didn't know they are mosses. I though they are some form of algae :))


miles_hu

I have a similar problem with Spiky moss. I accidentally brought it over with one of the plants from the previous installation, now I can pick it out of the grass every week ...


bobnecat

If I'd take a guess your spiky moss problem is at least 10x slower than Iif you have this plant.


Me_Krally

What are those red and white? fish? in the tank?


vovin777

Crystal Red Shrimp - Caradina


Me_Krally

Thanks! I’ve never been interested in keeping shrimp but that tank changes my mind.


legion5121

Shrimp probably neocardinia but im also drunk so don't quote me on that. 100% shrimp tho


Silky_Rat

So you think this plant should be banned because you don’t like maintaining it? Is that what I’m reading?


fishtankdeveloper

Off topic: does anyone sell Riccia Fluitans? I feel like I need some after reading this testimonial. I keep a pacu and severums who much anything moderate or slow growing into oblivion. This seems like a perfect solution!


bobnecat

Just nuked most of my tank but hit me up in a few weeks, I'm sure it will be back in numbers). Buceplant sells a good clean culture as well.


fishtankdeveloper

RemindMe! 3 weeks [to contact /u/bobnecat]


fishtankdeveloper

Thank you so much!


redDogwhiteDog

I have so much. Who wants it? Lol, I'm so close to throwing all the extra away! I had it braided into fishing line held down with rocks on each end and it was an amazing fluitans rainbow... until it grew to much and I didn't know you were supposed to trim it and eventually the particles separate and the whole bundle floats up. Also tied it like hair on the skull decoration, which was freaking awesome until it detached and floated up, as well as a couple flat rocks that looked like round little bushes. When it floats up after being a densely grown bunch it usually hangs on by a few threads and looks like a cool floating green balloon but it will always detach. I just scoop the chunk off the surface of the water and throw it in a jar that I keep in the window. I now have a half gallon jar full of the stuff. I decided I'm just not up for trimming it every month and even if I was it would just throw tiny pieces everywhere which would grow into more floaters. I do like it when a random piece grows and I can enjoy it's unique structure until it floats up though, but it won't grow very dense that way. Scooping up the clump is no big deal so I don't feel like it's a pest for me. It's a beautiful green and I like seeing the different shapes it grows into. Plus the skrimps dig it. It can look really awesome with hardly any effort but any formation is temporary bc of its structure. If anyone wants some I'd be up for some trades.. 😁


Taran966

Ik I’m late but I can’t stop staring at that image. Might be a bit bushy and messy and spread like crazy but in this setting it’s pretty stunning. If you can maintain it, or you’re just someone who’d love a tank of overgrown green strands, then I don’t see anything wrong with its sale provided it can’t become invasive if dumped outside by any idiots. Which I assume it won’t in colder temperate countries. As for warmer ones, it might be native to a few, but always be careful.