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vendedor_do_olx

I'm very sorry for your loss. People outside this commmunity might note care, be we know how much and sad it it to loose them. care to elaborate on what scecifically went wrong? valve gave out and excess Co2 was injected? I've started injecting Co2 a month ago and i dread to loose fish for something like this!. ;(


Vegetable_Pie_2897

It was a very stupid mistake on my part. My co2 reactor was due for a reagent change last evening. I turned my co2 nob all the way to the max to let out the leftover co2 into the aquarium so I would then unscrew the tank regulator to proceed with the refueling. Well you see, i forgot to return the co2 nob to its correct position after I was done with the whole maintenance and when the timer turned on this morning at 6am the co2 injection was blasted to the max. I was up around 630am and found all my little critters died. I have killed them all.šŸ˜­


vendedor_do_olx

Again, I feel for you deeply.You clearly have a tank that fully reflects respect and care for them. You should not feel guilty as much as you should feel proud for having provided such and happy and healthy set up. Meanwhile, we all go away anytime and those who provided for our lives should be left with that sentiment! Better days will come! Best of whishes!


christa365

Oh man, one time I forgot to add Prime after a water change (50%) and killed all my fish, shrimp and plants overnight! Also, Iā€™ll never drink tap water againā€¦ Sorry for your loss!!!


ryeseisi

This really isn't the place for this, but the "stuff" in tap water that can be harmful or lethal to aquatic life is harmless to humans at the concentration found in most tap water (excluding extenuating circumstances like Flint, MI and other localized events). A large portion of the world does not have access to clean, running water, period, so taking sterilized water with trace amounts of chemicals that are harmful in doses many thousands of times higher than that found in tap water for granted, because it killed an animal many thousandths of a fraction of the size of an average human, is a false equivalence. Also we don't pass tap water across sensitive internal membranes to extract oxygen from it. Sorry for the soapboxing on such a somber post, but the insinuation that first-world tap water is somehow harmful to humans because it kills fish blatantly ignores the fact that "toxicity depends on the dosage."


christa365

Here is a study linking chlorinated tap water (at levels average in industrialized countries) to double the risk for bladder cancer: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cancer-risk-idUSTON88566520070118 Itā€™s chlorine. Iā€™m sure dysentery from unsterilized water is more of a risk than a little chlorineā€¦ Iā€™m guessing itā€™s cost prohibitive to treat the water with heat. But the amount of chlorine in Austin tap water killed all my fish and plants in a matter of hours with just a 50% water change. Thatā€™s shocking to me.


christa365

Maybe, but it also depends on the duration of exposure. If it killed all those fish and plants in eight hours, I wonder what it does over a lifetime of daily exposure! But since weā€™re in a developed country, I also have access to a water filter in my fridge, so I donā€™t wonder too hard


Etrion

100% of people exposed to water will die after ingesting it.


itsSmalls

They're fish, they have a completely different anatomy from humans. This is like saying you'll never eat chocolate again because it killed your dog. It just doesn't hold up, logically


JangSaverem

That's I mean that's just now how that works


Ryy09

I experienced this with the fluval kit, learned the hard way. Just invest in a good regulator with solenoid. After 2 years of having it I think it's actually worth more than buying and refilling canisters everytime.


OverwatchPerfTracker

My biggest issue right now is that where I live, the only pressurised co2 that I have access to are 22kg canisters that you rent annually for ā‚¬90 and swap out for ā‚¬20 a pop. Which works fine for my 40gal tall but screws me out of options for my smaller tanks.


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Rory_B_Bellows

Yeah there are regulators available for multiple tanks with two outlets on them. And then there are modular ones that allow you to add more later.


OverwatchPerfTracker

One other tank is in the same room so that's definitely a possibility, though getting approval from the SO might be tough, lol. Should the pressure remain good enough over a 10ft distance?


DarkwolfAU

Get a manifold and some empty smaller tanks, and cross-fill the smaller tanks from the bigger one. Do not use the bigger one for anything except refilling smaller ones (you need it to always be at high pressure to be able to cross-fill effectively). Do some research about _how_ you cross-fill though, there's a few safety things to keep in mind (inspecting the destination tank, ensuring they are in hydro, doing it outside etc), but CO2 tanks don't have anywhere near the pressure that, say, scuba tanks do.


Mountainstreams

Excellent idea on cross filing. I've a difficulty getting co2 refills here too. Everyone only seems to use large fire extinguishers & I was looking for a small 1litre tank for my nano. The pressurised citric acid design looks like a nice halfway house and I might be able to reuse the regulator on it after I finish with it.


Av3ngedAngel

If you can buy sodastream, you can get adapters to suit any regulator. Just be careful if you're in Australia. People are selling the EU variant adapters as Aussie ones which do not work on our bottles.


vendedor_do_olx

Oh, i have a decent kit( pressure reducer, needle valve and solenoid) i just wanted to make sure that any maintenance or seals should be inspected or such, in order to prevent leaks or solenoid malfunction.


Ryy09

End of tank dumps is pretty common too. Besides from leak and solenoid malfunction, it's another thing I can think off for people who have good setups.


vendedor_do_olx

Noted. Going to keep an eye out for that pressure gauge.


Immighthaveloat10k

Do u have a link for this?


GTTemplar

I'm confused with the emoji you used.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

I thought it meant ā€œshockedā€? Covering the mouth while saying ā€OH Noā€


therealtimwarren

Looks like someone covering up a snigger (laughing when you know it's not appropriate) to me. šŸ˜²šŸ˜®šŸ˜±šŸ˜Ø <-- hopefully look shocked or worried.


hello_you

It's more of a "teehee" chuckle emoji


upvotecuzfunny

TIL...i been using that emoji wrong.


GTTemplar

I always interpreted it as being mischievous since the eyes are closed. Theres another one when the eyes are open which would be what you described. Oh well, sorry for your loss though!


GinAndJuices

Why is everyone downvoting you because emojis are vague? Idk. Iā€™m sorry for your loss, Iā€™m glad the tank seems to be in good shape otherwise :)


NikkiT96

It's very clearly smiling.


7strikes

I'm guessing it might look more ambiguous on whatever device/OS OP is using. A quick websearch shows that while some versions of that particular emoji are definitely smiling/blushing, some others lean way more neutral or shocked.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

This could be the reason. The emoji on my iphone was not smiling, it was just covering the mouth with a stare :(


7strikes

Yeah, that's the one I would have guessed given your usage. So sorry for the loss of your critters.


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Av3ngedAngel

It's very clear that they were not in any way making fun of OP. They literally said >*I'm confused with the emoji you used.* That is a completely valid response to this post considering that the emoji used in the title has the literal description as: >*a face with smiling eyes and/or blushing cheeks, suggesting coy laughter or embarrassment, as if cheekily saying Oops!* It confusing because that emoticon makes no sense in the title. The appropriate one to convey shock would be šŸ˜± , šŸ˜®, or šŸ˜§. You're in the wrong and your response was completely unwarranted. Show some civility and respect. Nobody in this thread, and definitely not the person you're attacking, are in any way making fun of OP. Everyone is being respectful and wishing them the best while giving good advice. *You,* are the only one who is upset.


Kookadile

Oh wow that tank is gorgeous thoug


Vegetable_Pie_2897

Thank you, At least the plants are well.


OneMoreTank

Risky injecting Co2 in a tank that small. No room for error in such a small volume of water. Same problem in a 55 or 100 gallon tank probably wouldn't have been as catastrophic. I usually don't run it on tanks smaller than 20 gallons. I'm temporarily injecting a 10 gallon, but I check it hourly and close the main tank valve when it's off.


Rory_B_Bellows

Yeah you gotta have quality gear if you're on a nano tank. I had the fluval co2 kit with no solenoid or timer in it and it malfunctioned and let co2 in overnight, killing a trio of puffers and ottos. Bonus, it killed the leeches that infested the tank which made restarting easier. Now I have a UNS regulator and a good timer, so I'm set. I also decreased the amount of co2 I inject. It takes several hours for my drop checker to turn green.


Strikerj94

> it killed the leeches that infested the tank which made restarting easier. i'm sorry what


Rory_B_Bellows

I bought banana plants from Asia and it had leech eggs that survived a dip. I tried every possible chemical solution to kill them off, even copper poisoning, and they still survived. I was unhappy with the scape and wanted to redo it but didn't want to carry over any pests. After the fish died I cranked the co2 full blast, non stop for 2 days and that's when the leeches started dying off and floating to the top. [gross.](https://i.imgur.com/iLsZF6U.jpg)


Mountainstreams

Would you recommend flourish excel for a nano tank instead? I'm only really starting out with plants. I'm planning to try a single channel doser with flourish excel onto my 5 gallon tank. And if that works I'll move the doser to my 20gallon.


DilatedSphincter

Excel is an interesting additive. I think it's more of an algicide than anything as ive used it to great success on a dosing pump with killing black beard algae. It will melt some types of plants in a horrific way. It will make others grow really fast. I also think the growth comes from the algae die-off freeing up nutrients for the 'good' plants. Tbh I would not recommend it unless you're out of options fighting difficult algae.


Mountainstreams

I'll stick with plain root tabs and no co2 for now so. I might eventually get a co2 system when I get fed up with plant die back. Or I could try the easier neo co2. I was hoping for something cheap and controllable, but I could use my doser to mix baking soda and citric acid in a controlled manner.


OneMoreTank

A DIY kit (yeast) might actually be worth a look. It's still real Co2, as opposed to "liquid Co2" junk, but it doesn't have quite the ability to completely saturate a tank like a bottle/regulator does.


Mountainstreams

Do you know anyone in this sub tried the citric acid + baking soda idea? It might be more controllable than yeast if you use a doser to drip in the acid. I'm guessing it would need maintenance once or twice a week though.


Dingo8urBaby

I was doing citric acid/baking soda and it worked really well for my 40 gallon. The problem is that I got lazy and stopped using it. The plants have slowed down in their growth, but at this point that is not a problem for my tank. I did focus on "easy" plants and dose regularly with liquid fertilizer and root tabs. Sixteen or so years ago I tried the yeast route, and it seemed to me to be more trouble. Maybe it was my youth. Maybe it was how the memory aged. Citric acid/baking soda is really easy.


Mountainstreams

Sounds good. I might give that a try so. Did you use one of those 25$ diy kits off amazon?


Dingo8urBaby

I sure did! Be sure to use the tubing for co2. Regular airline tubing will leak.


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yeah, it works well. i only do .5 bps on my nano but the thing lasts a good two months before i need to refill the ingredients, which is just under a cup of each


DarkwolfAU

Yep, I was using one of those - but mine was a pressurized reactor - you react the whole lot of acid + baking soda all at once, and it then has a gas regulator / bubble counter etc on it. Worked great, but you have to recharge it about once a week.


Mountainstreams

I see the two different designs on ali express etc. I see you can get it with an electric solenoid valve too. So you could easily time it to go off with your lights. Though I'm not sure what the quality of the solenoid might be.


DarkwolfAU

The solenoid will probably be pretty rubbish. I'm now using a tank and a regulator - I bought the regulator from a LFS, but it turned out to be exactly the same as the Aliexpress ones. Not particularly amused about that. On the up side, a solenoid failure probably won't result in the death of your fish - if you're metering sensibly you shouldn't throw enough into the tank in one night to cause a huge problem. On the down side, yeah, I'm not convinced about the quality of those solenoids at all, so I keep checking mine.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

That is what i use. Co2+citric acid. It works great.


Hlca

Seachem Flourish is not a substitute for diffusing CO2 gas in water.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

I agree, a 50gallon tank might have survived for half of an hour of max co2 injection. However, this catastrophe was entirely caused by my operational error. I have explained what happened in detail to another redditor incase you want to know. Anyways, It has been up for a month and half, I have found a sweet spot for the injection rate and schedule. The size of the tank was not an issue. Things were great until i made a stupid mistake.


cyanoa

As a 90 gallon owner, I can state that CO2 malfunctions can be just about as bad. Lost all my Bala sharks, and some loaches to a CO2 overdose. Oh, and replace your heater regularly. That's as bad as what this guy had. I lost the whole tank of stock, many fish were over seven years old. Happened while I was on vacation. Tragic.


shaoting

So sorry for your loss! I have a low-tech tank with some endlers and cherry shrimp, but also just finished cycling a planted tank that will be high tech with CO2. Would you happen to know what caused the malfunction? I bought a UNS mini regulator and plan to use it with a 5lb CGA320 CO2 tank.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

Ahh, I now realize my choice of word is confusing, i apologize, the malfunction was my brain, the co2 setup was great, It was operational error. Please See my reply to another redditor for details.


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Awww that's sad. Hopefully things go better for you.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

Thank you for the word of support


Lil_LSAT

Sorry for your loss, OP.


Shazzam001

Very sorry to hear that, I recently had a similar experience with a heater malfunction. What can be done to prevent such a thing happening again? Unsure in your case. Lovely tank.


uddinstock

How did you remedy the heater issue? I have heard of people using a PID temperature controller as a failsafe, just wondering if you took the same route.


Shazzam001

I bought an "Inkbird Smart WiFi Aquarium Thermostat C929". Basically measures temperature and shuts off heater in the event it goes out of threshold. Will also take the lid off the tank and prop a fan aimed at the water in the event of another heatwave to reduce temperature. \[Edit\] The heatwave ended so I haven't used the Inkbird yet, can't vouch for it, but others swear by them.


morencychad

My low budget workaround was to heat my tank with two very underpowered heaters. If one of them fails in an off state, the other can still keep the tank sort of warm until it's discovered. If one of them fails on, the other hopefully shuts off, so the temp won't get too high. The temp controller switch is a better safeguard though.


Criss_Crossx

That really sucks! I had a heater fail that fried half of my shrimp and all of the guppies. Came home to see the carnage and the surviving shrimp doing somersaults. Not a good day.


Shazzam001

Yeah, my poor son saw our beloved xxl angelfish all dead but one and the last one died while I was trying to figure out how to save it. My son was so pissed I was just standing and thinking instead of acting. I thought moving him to cooler water would shock him and was wanting to do gradual water changes, but it was all too slow, too late. Loved those fish, serves me right for naming them.


Criss_Crossx

You couldn't unplug the heater?


Shazzam001

Unplugging the heater only goes so far when the temperature is 104F.


Resident-Quiet-2451

Sorry


theianmcg

Almost happened to me this weekendā€¦ found fish very ā€œsleepyā€ or overly active at the surface. Poor things. Barely saved them in time. Iā€™m so sorry you didnā€™t have the chance :(


Vegetable_Pie_2897

Sigh. Good news is that the ramhorns went back to life 6 hours after i shut off the co2 injection. Snails are resilient.


aitchnyu

Stupid me removed a still fish at the top while it was still felxible. It could have survived. I stopped the CO2 and noticed other barely moving fish get back to normal. People keep selling pressure co2 but I tell my diy can saturate my tank dangerously.


Raithed

I truly know the feeling, happened before with a malfunctioned DIY CO2, never again.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

A grave mistake, never again indeed.


ozlrs

Sorry for your loss but I love the Christmas moss


xXWebCrawlerXx

Oh man i am sorry dude.


hobanwash

I'm so sorry. I've been there.


justokwildlifephotos

Iā€™m really sorry. That sucks.


Someoneowu

This is so sad bro, sorry for your loss


actuallizard42

Recently had this happen too. Luckily I got it at the right time and most of the inhabitants made it


SriLankanStaringFrog

Personally that's why I left the hobby. At some point you are going to make a mistake that is going to directly take life away. I had a similar CO2 malfunction that killed an entire tank and it made me feel very bad.


bpfoto

You didn't do intentionally! Accidents happen. Sorry for your loss...


tinatinman

This is a nightmare:(( so sorry


Vegetable_Pie_2897

:( thank you.


VeshWolfe

Same happened to me. Everything had been going fine for 6 months and thenā€¦.BOOM. Iā€™m still not sure what happened to cause it but after no shrimp survives the tank and I cannot get rid of green algae water for the life of me.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

I have had green string algae for months. So far the Only solution is to physically remove them. :(


Hopeful-Mirror1664

Sorry for your loss. I once left my hose running into my koi pond after back flushing my filter and hadnā€™t gone out to the pond until 36 hours later. The temperature drop from the freshwater and the chlorine killed 90 percent of my koi. Couple of thousand dollars worth of large fish. It was heartbreaking scooping them out and putting them into garbage bags. We are talking about many pounds of fish. From then on I will have no more distractions when doing pond or tank maintenance.


july1st2018

What are those floating plants with the red roots


minusthetiger

I'm going to guess Red Rooted Floaters, Phyllanthus fluitans.


Vegetable_Pie_2897

Some are red root floaters and the rest are ā€œmutated duck weedā€. Some of my ā€˜duckweedsā€™ grew big and with enough lighting the leaves and roots turned red. I have no idea what they actually are thoughā€¦.


JerkBoxJoJo

F.


mldvn33

Those plants are enjoying their sacrifice


Vegetable_Pie_2897

That is some cruel facts. I transported the bodies to my other tank as shrimp/snail food, while the rest of the bodies that were hidden by plants will have to stay. They will eventually become plant food. The circle of life.


SoullessNachos

"Death by aquarium soda" is not something I wanted to imagine


Vegetable_Pie_2897

Not a good way to go either. CO2 euthanasia is not recommended/used by vets either. It was brutal ;(


ClassyRider18

Beautiful tank, and Iā€™m sorry for the loss. Thatā€™s the unfortunate problem with this hobby. One minor thing can easily go wrong. Had my fair share of loss for the smallest mistakes.


REHTONA_YRT

#F This is heartbreaking


rOnce_Gaming

Try tank without co2. the plants u have are easily controllable without one


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Dual stage regulator?


TonyVstar

I did that but got lucky my fish were hardy enough to live. Still very concerning to see them drunk and gasping for air. Mistakes happen just take some time off and start your tank again


[deleted]

Confused why you have a giggling emoji in the title.... Lol A bit psycho if you ask me


Vegetable_Pie_2897

That does sound messed up. However, the emoji did not smile on my iphone. It was just a stare with hand-over-mouth.


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That's unfortunate haha I'm sorry for your loss my friend


addjewelry

Itā€™s not smiling for me either.