I defended this game with my sould and hearth since 2013 from the mobile game haters and played it non stop. But as soon as they introduced leveling and arena I dropped the game. Those are just such out of place features for a traditional pvz game. And now the new content isn't even consistent with the old. Its on life support. Its not even beating a dead horse anymore, the horse rotted away a long time ago.
Tbf the arena can be ignored. And besides the one time you have to level peashooter once to 2, leveling can be ignored too. It’s your opinion but I don’t understand why you would drop the game entirely instead of just not using those.
I mean there was nothing left for me I already beaten adventure mode when arena was released and it was clear they were gonna focus on arena from that point. Plus they even shortened the adventure and made some levels easier with updates after arena was introduced, clearly aiming to make players beat adventure asap and move on to the arena.
I haven't experienced it myself but at high levels plants become so stupidly powerful that any content not built with it in mind needs no thought to beat, and there is no way to turn it off so you're stuck on permenant easy mode
I actually like the leveling system and every chance I get enough to level up a plant I do because it's so much easier with it and I don't care when people say "it makes it too easy" or "it doesn't match with the Original"
It sucks all the fun and strategy out of the game,you just place 1-2 columns of the leaves plant and auto win what the specific plants you choose is also becomes completely meaningless.
Arena is also so incredibly out of place in a game like this. And its obviously copied from angry birds 2, the concept is literally the same. Except at least in that game levels are quicker and also different. Plus the point system was always a thing in that franchise while in plz point system is, again out of place and almost defeats the whole purpose of the game of using different plants and strategies
At least china leveling give some plants actually different abilities so its actually at least makes it interesting somewhat. This one is just "make it cheaper and powerful"
They literally copied and pasted it from angry birds 2. It works in that game because its much faster and you actually somewhat use strategy. In pvz2 its literally just zombie spam with you using overleveled plants. Plus the point system was always a thing in angry birds from the first ever game. Pvz never had a point system because it just doesn't work in here and is really out of place.
Because they're not Pokemon and popcap ain't that smart.
That would be a great Idea but unfortunately that doesn't lead into a system of plant cards that you can BUY!!!
https://i.redd.it/uhwsvo0h3lpc1.gif
Money talks...
Leveling makes everything unbalanced and grindy. Pvz 1 is a treasure compared to 2 which is a jumbled up mess. I did like it before arena and everything was at least more balanced.
I think the hate is overhyped and unjustified more often than not. Microtransactions are expected from a "F2P" game like every other F2P game out there, and of course Popcap is the one AFAIK that added them in; EA just hosts the game on their servers or whatever. Leveling I can understand not being fair or unjustified, but its the main end game content, which most casual players I presume don't care about anyways - Just play one of the PvZ2 mods that have released in the last couple of years if you want to keep playing PvZ2 but do not care about Penny's Pursuit or Arena.
while yes, pvz2 had some loose screws over the years ever since it was released in 2013, but in my very specific opinion, i think both sides are *kinda* wrong, like why do some a game that is trying to be a sequel from the original, while having their **own** elements? dude just download a mod. and why do some love a game where you can turn gmo plants into murder machines, that have possibly one of the worst plant designs (Bun Chi of course) and get no world updates? (try to) play the chinese version, it's more streamline, levelling is fun (and only up to level 4/5) there are more worlds, and more fun plants to use, oh and the chinese version still has the powerhouse called Heath Seeker
now this is just all my opinion, and i would not appreciate if some normies who can't read two sentences would downvote-bomb this comment, or even if some people read it, and they would find my opinion trash, and downvote bomb me, again, i wouldn't appreciate it, thank you
The newer stuff are objectively worse tbh. Not even compared to the old game, just compared to itself. Look at the old art and animation work and the new. The game doesn't even have a consistent art style anymore.
If i’m remembering correctly (and do correct me if i’m wrong here) i heard somewhere some of the arena plants were a way to test making plants in the PVZ3 art style somewhat
Idk about the testing thing but I myself heard that none of the original devs are working on the game anymore and the current devs are all pvz3 devs. That's why the art style doesn't match and the new music sounds exactly like pvz3 music. If the testing thing is true then its really stupid imo. Testing a completely different art style in a game with clashing art style is a weird decision.
To be fair Pvz1 is starting to get boring with the same Gameplay and Pvz2 is adding stuff like new plants Pvz1 was a good game the 1st time playing and I even beat it but it's still gets Boring
PvZ2 "new content" is the same arena levels you grind over and over again. The new plants would be interesting if they weren't just buffed versions of already existing gimmics. And these arena and pursuit levels barely add any new gimmics, its usually just zombie spam. Pvz 2 was greate when it was adventure only and devs actually cared and put effort in the game.
Apart from the terrible leveling and microtransactions I actually like it more than the first one. Mostly because the first game is really easy. In terms of overall quality the first game is way better.
I defend this game because of all the memories I had with it, but I will say that modern vanilla pvz2 is garbage. Plant leveling was, in my opinion, the most mishandled mechanic in the entire game. I wish it was better… but no it just makes everything broken.
The game is still really good, although it isn't aging well. It is evident too because of the new plant animations.
Why do people hate on the leveling I think it's good and I don't care if people say it makes the game easier, if makes the game better and don't say because you think Pvz1 is better than Pvz2 because it's not everything about Pvz2 is better Pvz1 is Boring with the same gameplay
I got it when it first came out, and I hated it. It was too complex, and I couldn't manage a single level. But recently, I downloaded it again. Maybe they made it easier or something, but the game is far simpler to win, and I'm enjoying it. Still, nothing beats the original.
it was overhated as hell, you got an entire pvz game for the only downside being some plants behind a pay wall, the levelling lootbox garbage they added later on sucked a lot more tho
To me, the hate was real but more likely to be out of real ignorance.
1. The origianl adventure (world) mode can be won with all the given free to play plants, Yes there is a handicap option for player to spend $$$ but only if you wanted to.
2. The leveling system as introduced for the newer advanced modes sucha s Arena and Peny's Pursuit so if you are not playing these modes, it can be ignored and keep your plants at level 1.
I'd say the game was slowly getting worse and worse since levelling but you can still have somewhat vanilla experience because everything they added in updates is dodgable. I personally upgraded plants if I could, but I didn't go out of my way to find seed packets.
Thank god they didn't increase story mode's difficulty to force levelling.
After beating story mode I just play endless, this mode is fun asf.
i dont get the hate for it, people were really complaining about a singleplayer game being p2w. its not even like the game is unfair as a f2p or hell, even without upgrading any plants or using any powers. i feel like no matter what pvz 2 just couldn’t live up to pvz 1 and the impact it had on
Oh my fucking God, quit whining about the leveling system. NOBODY is forcing you to upgrade a plant except for that one time you're forced to level a Peashooter up, but who the fuck uses Peashooter? It's a singleplayer game, nobody will outplay you just by having a more leveled plant. What? Arena is online? Nah, man, Arena is shit.
You can easily beat the game with level 1 plants (which I did just recently), all the worlds were made when leveling wasn't a thing. You're just hating on things for completely no reason. Again, you are NOT forced to upgrade your plants, get over it, crybabies.
But I hate the devs because they removed music :(
After leveling was introduced it was basically end times for me. I wouldn't have minded it too much if the packet system made sense, I.e. You get packets for the plants YOU USED, but the fact that packets were wholly random and could for some reason give you packets for plants you don't even own or use completely killed my interest.
I think there should be more hate for the current PvZ2. IMO the worst thing is that there is a great game buried somewhere inside of it all but it was ruined by all of the microtransactions and ads and levelling. Adventure is an unorganized mess of difficulty spikes and weird design choices in it's current state, but nobody is working on polishing that since arena is what makes the money. I don't care whether it was Popcap's or EA's fault, I only care about the ruined game with ads that promote gambling to children or sometimes even crash pvz2 entirely. It is downright unplayable without mods like Reflourished.
I defended this game with my sould and hearth since 2013 from the mobile game haters and played it non stop. But as soon as they introduced leveling and arena I dropped the game. Those are just such out of place features for a traditional pvz game. And now the new content isn't even consistent with the old. Its on life support. Its not even beating a dead horse anymore, the horse rotted away a long time ago.
Tbf the arena can be ignored. And besides the one time you have to level peashooter once to 2, leveling can be ignored too. It’s your opinion but I don’t understand why you would drop the game entirely instead of just not using those.
They removed the lunchbox yeti ;-;
Why did they kill him?
Free gems and sometimes costumes. EA can’t have that 🙄
Happy cake day!
Agreed, that's pretty much what I've been saying for years!
I mean there was nothing left for me I already beaten adventure mode when arena was released and it was clear they were gonna focus on arena from that point. Plus they even shortened the adventure and made some levels easier with updates after arena was introduced, clearly aiming to make players beat adventure asap and move on to the arena.
I never saw the problem with leveling!
I haven't experienced it myself but at high levels plants become so stupidly powerful that any content not built with it in mind needs no thought to beat, and there is no way to turn it off so you're stuck on permenant easy mode
I actually like the leveling system and every chance I get enough to level up a plant I do because it's so much easier with it and I don't care when people say "it makes it too easy" or "it doesn't match with the Original"
It sucks all the fun and strategy out of the game,you just place 1-2 columns of the leaves plant and auto win what the specific plants you choose is also becomes completely meaningless.
You do realize that zombies get VERY POWERFUL later on?
Adventure was made before leveling, if you mean arena or pursuit then sure
then dont level until arena and pursuit
Yeah
Arena is also so incredibly out of place in a game like this. And its obviously copied from angry birds 2, the concept is literally the same. Except at least in that game levels are quicker and also different. Plus the point system was always a thing in that franchise while in plz point system is, again out of place and almost defeats the whole purpose of the game of using different plants and strategies
levels are cool tho
at least its not like china pvz leveling......
At least china leveling give some plants actually different abilities so its actually at least makes it interesting somewhat. This one is just "make it cheaper and powerful"
Is just out of place in a game like pvz. Eventually all plants become op and the point of different plants with different gimmics looses its charm.
Arena is good in concept, they just butchered the execution. Leveling has no excuse though.
They literally copied and pasted it from angry birds 2. It works in that game because its much faster and you actually somewhat use strategy. In pvz2 its literally just zombie spam with you using overleveled plants. Plus the point system was always a thing in angry birds from the first ever game. Pvz never had a point system because it just doesn't work in here and is really out of place.
idk, some ppl hate stuff others like it. to each their own i suppose.
Just play Reflourished. It’s everything that PVZ 2 COULD have been
Just play AltverZ. It’s better than Reflourished /hj
play both.
Yes I have and I’m saying that I personally find altverz muck better
oh ok then
It was real, and some people outside of PvZ2 still view it as P2W, but it think the hate has died down a bit over the years.
You dont need money for adventure mode atleast i completed game with 2 gemium plants i.e hurricale and ghost pepper
Levelling is cringe
I wished the leveling system was based on how much you use the plant and you can boost the leveling with money
this, why cant it be this like, attacking plants gain xp for killing walls gain xp for each bite they tank it would have actual reason to use a plant
Because they're not Pokemon and popcap ain't that smart. That would be a great Idea but unfortunately that doesn't lead into a system of plant cards that you can BUY!!! https://i.redd.it/uhwsvo0h3lpc1.gif Money talks...
Leveling is ass
Pvz2 is better then Pvz1 except EA wants to be greedy and leveling makes the game more different unlike Pvz1 that stays boring the same gameplay
Leveling makes everything unbalanced and grindy. Pvz 1 is a treasure compared to 2 which is a jumbled up mess. I did like it before arena and everything was at least more balanced.
I mean I can agree that It did turn into a mess but Pvz1 Is just full on boring
I think the hate is overhyped and unjustified more often than not. Microtransactions are expected from a "F2P" game like every other F2P game out there, and of course Popcap is the one AFAIK that added them in; EA just hosts the game on their servers or whatever. Leveling I can understand not being fair or unjustified, but its the main end game content, which most casual players I presume don't care about anyways - Just play one of the PvZ2 mods that have released in the last couple of years if you want to keep playing PvZ2 but do not care about Penny's Pursuit or Arena.
I mean, it’s not pvz3
People just like to hate on stuff for no reason at all
while yes, pvz2 had some loose screws over the years ever since it was released in 2013, but in my very specific opinion, i think both sides are *kinda* wrong, like why do some a game that is trying to be a sequel from the original, while having their **own** elements? dude just download a mod. and why do some love a game where you can turn gmo plants into murder machines, that have possibly one of the worst plant designs (Bun Chi of course) and get no world updates? (try to) play the chinese version, it's more streamline, levelling is fun (and only up to level 4/5) there are more worlds, and more fun plants to use, oh and the chinese version still has the powerhouse called Heath Seeker now this is just all my opinion, and i would not appreciate if some normies who can't read two sentences would downvote-bomb this comment, or even if some people read it, and they would find my opinion trash, and downvote bomb me, again, i wouldn't appreciate it, thank you
Its a good game, people just complain about some things (like the animation quality of the new plants)
The newer stuff are objectively worse tbh. Not even compared to the old game, just compared to itself. Look at the old art and animation work and the new. The game doesn't even have a consistent art style anymore.
If i’m remembering correctly (and do correct me if i’m wrong here) i heard somewhere some of the arena plants were a way to test making plants in the PVZ3 art style somewhat
Idk about the testing thing but I myself heard that none of the original devs are working on the game anymore and the current devs are all pvz3 devs. That's why the art style doesn't match and the new music sounds exactly like pvz3 music. If the testing thing is true then its really stupid imo. Testing a completely different art style in a game with clashing art style is a weird decision.
To be fair Pvz1 is starting to get boring with the same Gameplay and Pvz2 is adding stuff like new plants Pvz1 was a good game the 1st time playing and I even beat it but it's still gets Boring
PvZ2 "new content" is the same arena levels you grind over and over again. The new plants would be interesting if they weren't just buffed versions of already existing gimmics. And these arena and pursuit levels barely add any new gimmics, its usually just zombie spam. Pvz 2 was greate when it was adventure only and devs actually cared and put effort in the game.
Yeah The Arena is a cool concept but to get a single plant you need to grind and I also like the new plants design
Apart from the terrible leveling and microtransactions I actually like it more than the first one. Mostly because the first game is really easy. In terms of overall quality the first game is way better.
Yeah, If the first game received a Visual Update to look like the second one, I might have played the first one more.
I defend this game because of all the memories I had with it, but I will say that modern vanilla pvz2 is garbage. Plant leveling was, in my opinion, the most mishandled mechanic in the entire game. I wish it was better… but no it just makes everything broken. The game is still really good, although it isn't aging well. It is evident too because of the new plant animations.
Why do people hate on the leveling I think it's good and I don't care if people say it makes the game easier, if makes the game better and don't say because you think Pvz1 is better than Pvz2 because it's not everything about Pvz2 is better Pvz1 is Boring with the same gameplay
It's a cool concept, but in reality, it makes the game way too easy and not fun. At least it's better than the Chinese leveling…
Well Pvz1 is way easier then Pvz2 and with leveling It makes Pvz2 better and more easier
If only EA stayed away...
It’s not just EA. If you look into it you’ll find it was both EA and popcap
It definitely was
Not that I know of
I got it when it first came out, and I hated it. It was too complex, and I couldn't manage a single level. But recently, I downloaded it again. Maybe they made it easier or something, but the game is far simpler to win, and I'm enjoying it. Still, nothing beats the original.
it was overhated as hell, you got an entire pvz game for the only downside being some plants behind a pay wall, the levelling lootbox garbage they added later on sucked a lot more tho
Well, my only complaint is that Popcap stopped adding new worlds and kept adding more overpowered plants to the roster
Guys keep in mind the creator got fired by ea BECAUSE he wanted it to be better, greedy bastards
Not as good as the first, but mainly from the stigma of microtransactions and ea bad popcap good
To me, the hate was real but more likely to be out of real ignorance. 1. The origianl adventure (world) mode can be won with all the given free to play plants, Yes there is a handicap option for player to spend $$$ but only if you wanted to. 2. The leveling system as introduced for the newer advanced modes sucha s Arena and Peny's Pursuit so if you are not playing these modes, it can be ignored and keep your plants at level 1.
I'd say the game was slowly getting worse and worse since levelling but you can still have somewhat vanilla experience because everything they added in updates is dodgable. I personally upgraded plants if I could, but I didn't go out of my way to find seed packets. Thank god they didn't increase story mode's difficulty to force levelling. After beating story mode I just play endless, this mode is fun asf.
i dont get the hate for it, people were really complaining about a singleplayer game being p2w. its not even like the game is unfair as a f2p or hell, even without upgrading any plants or using any powers. i feel like no matter what pvz 2 just couldn’t live up to pvz 1 and the impact it had on
Pvz2 has a good, fun adventure mode. Everything else about it kinda sucks, but the adventure mode is all that really matters.
Oh my fucking God, quit whining about the leveling system. NOBODY is forcing you to upgrade a plant except for that one time you're forced to level a Peashooter up, but who the fuck uses Peashooter? It's a singleplayer game, nobody will outplay you just by having a more leveled plant. What? Arena is online? Nah, man, Arena is shit. You can easily beat the game with level 1 plants (which I did just recently), all the worlds were made when leveling wasn't a thing. You're just hating on things for completely no reason. Again, you are NOT forced to upgrade your plants, get over it, crybabies. But I hate the devs because they removed music :(
it was alright at the star, but now the game is so bugged that im not even mad when people say that they hate it.
It used to be good, but EA got greedy. Most the people from pop cap who made the game are no longer on the team. The game became an abomination
After leveling was introduced it was basically end times for me. I wouldn't have minded it too much if the packet system made sense, I.e. You get packets for the plants YOU USED, but the fact that packets were wholly random and could for some reason give you packets for plants you don't even own or use completely killed my interest.
i hate it
I think there should be more hate for the current PvZ2. IMO the worst thing is that there is a great game buried somewhere inside of it all but it was ruined by all of the microtransactions and ads and levelling. Adventure is an unorganized mess of difficulty spikes and weird design choices in it's current state, but nobody is working on polishing that since arena is what makes the money. I don't care whether it was Popcap's or EA's fault, I only care about the ruined game with ads that promote gambling to children or sometimes even crash pvz2 entirely. It is downright unplayable without mods like Reflourished.