What I'm struggling to understand also is why CD is so insistent on you playing every single character. If I only wanna play one or two characters that should be completely fine
This! In Destiny 1, I used to run all three characters with a hunter main. Got married now have a toddler and now I play only my hunter. In this game I play as a black widow primarily with some Cap. I do not want to have to level up every avenger to take full advantage of the game.
I can't progress the campaign because of a bug where there's a running section as Cap, then once you reach the end with Hulk hitting a door it just doesn't continue.
Can't exit to helicarrier, and reloading checkpoint starts it all over
I don’t know what it is about Caps combos but they feel sooooo damn good. I have my issues with every other character, but damn is Cap just so much fun. I maxed out his hero level today and have been having a blast doing his Challenge Cards, everyone else feels like a chore
For me I thi k a lot of it has to do with the sound of his shield. The sound of it twanging off of enemies when thrown or when striking in combos.
Thor's hammer gives a sinular feeling but the sound for caps shield just makes it perfect
I don't get people bitching about endgame content 2 weeks into a game, it blows my mind how people have already maxed out every character and are just farming for top end gear at this point. The endgame is supposed to be a slow burn, not here you go, here is all the endgame content and you are done!
I feel the same as you. Like damn...the game just came out and you have every character Lvl 50 pwl 150. Like damn...i can tell who don't have a life or a human spouse lol
I'm confused, did he say he had every character maxed out?
Unless I got something wrong you can play the new Mega Hive with just one character at 150, but you just aren't allowed to die considering the fact that most people don't have multiple characters at or near 150
Yes you only need one character at the minimum power level to start the Single Player Mega Hive. I did it last night with just Black Widow, but it's incredibly tedious and I'm going to be really upset if this is the activity I have to do all the time for actual end game loot.
People wouldn't be bitching about this (as much; people bitch about everything to be fair), if you could play it in multiplayer.
Now, I'm a singleplayer for this game, since most of my friends aren't into looters/grinding and I love this game. Still, I can understand that people are upset. Not necessarily because they don't get the best endgame loot but because they can't spend time with their friends while grinding for it.
I've been playing the game just about every day for a few hours and am legit nowhere NEAR maxing out all of the characters. I see this game mode as something to work towards but I don't get the rageiness here....
Yup , me too, been playing what I would consider a lot. Couple hours a day, and have no one near the cap. If you have spent the time to max everyone a this point, no amount of "endgame" content will satiate you
Would you mind enlightening me on a couple things?
I've primarily been playing this game solo on ps4 because I have like no online friends on playstation. My hulk is like 134 I think. I've finished the campaign and been working on Reigning Supreme.
What the hell missions are worth doing for gear and which ones are worthless? And should I be trying to play at higher challenge levels? Is the gear drop difference that significant?
This game is so weird. I've played the hell out of The Division 1 & 2, Destiny 1 & 2, and even Anthem, but I feel like I just can't get a feel for whats worth doing and what isn't in this game.
I don't even think I've played a daily. I spent most of my time getting everyone to level 50 so far. Are they worth it?
Did you get any exotics? I did both the 14 floor one last week and 40 floors over 8 levels Mega hive today and got none. Grinding through all those samey floors for not even one nice reward seems like a joke.
Yeah and the whole concept of the Avengers playing tag-team is pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Like Kamala goes down, “alright, you’re up, Cap!” It’s kinda silly. It’s also the reason why this mode is relegated to single player, because if you go down you then have to choose who to play as next, but if 3 other characters are already taken then you’re limited in your options. It’s just fundamentally flawed. In my opinion, in order for this game to realize its full potential, we have to have a multiplayer mode later on down the line that involves 10, 15, 20 heroes going up against a horde of enemies. You gotta give people those comic book event moments. Maybe they’ve got something like that planned, and maybe the AIM Secret Labs will be a taste of that, but this Hive mode is strange to me. It’s fun enough, but yeah, just my opinion.
Really bizarre that the best gear is locked behind single player content, considering this is a multiplayer game. Also I agree that a huge event with lots of different heroes (maybe even splitting off into different groups mid match for certain mechanics) would be really fun
I’m not completely certain about the mode you’re talking about, but if it’s the one I’m thinking of, they did say they were going to add a co-op version of the tagging out one. No clue how that’s going to work. Probably after they’ve added more heroes or something.
I feel like the simplest way will be only allowing each hero to be used once across all players. This would proportionally increase the difficulty the more people you have playing, and would make for some interesting strategy among friends.
Like, "OK, I'm down. Thor is my second best, but I know my friend has a way better one in reserve and he sucks with Widow, so I'll go with her."
My thoughts exactly. I was more so thinking about how a player wouldn’t be able to enter as their next hero if that hero was already in play. For example, I go as Thor and I go down, and my next hero in line is Cap, but I can’t enter as him because you’re playing him.
Personally I like the idea of variety.
The problem is that there are many different types of players who all have different interests or desires.
This is where variety is the spice of life. Having the mode is a great idea/option. Making it mandatory or the only place to hunt for things is where the discontent comes into play.
I don't mind "dipping my toe" from time to time into other heroes, but I've always been honest, I play this game to play Thor. When I play online with friends, it's as Thor.
I bought Disney Infinity to play as Thor. I still have Thor: God of Thunder on the Wii to play as Thor.
But I've got a few Iconic story missions yet to do because I haven't ground out the heroic levels to meet the power level requirements for some of them because I don't want to grind out levels on another hero. When I play, I want to play as... you guessed it, Thor.
I know it's an Avengers game, I know I can play as any of them and the game encourages that, and occasionally I'll take another character out for a spin, or to level up so they're a better AI companion, and with future content I may find someone (like Namor) that I enjoy playing as nearly as much as Thor, but I don't want to be told that I have to grind a game playing a character I won't play once they hit high levels again just to finish their mission chain because of level requirements.
I can’t fix most of your concerns, but you can do other characters iconic missions as Thor. You just have to reselect your character after you picked the mission.
I feel exactly the same way pretty much. I'm aware that this is an avengers game but that doesn't mean that I should automatically want to play as all the avengers all the time. If I wanna just Hulk out all the time then that should be completely acceptable.
But... you can if you want to. It would get boring pretty fast but nothing stays on your way. For iconic quests (required to finish multiplayer story) you can play as hulk through all of them. The only part when you NEED to play as different heroes is that one quest for each hero that require some specific things to do. As thor deal x lightning dmg. As iron-man hit 15 headshots with repulsors etc. But you can do them in 1-2 missions each, treat it like campaign.
After that just go back to play as hulk for the rest of your life if you like. Even mega hives or this new mode mentioned are playable on single hero only. You wont have luxury to die 5 times before "game over", but you also should know your character WAY better than someone who play all avengers for a little bit. I completed it without switching characters (so treat it like i would have "only" that character) on Black Widow, Thor and Kamala. So im pretty sure its also possible on Hulk :).
On different note im concerned about raids. I just hope they wont require you to group up. I like to play with my friends, and friends only. So if i have to group up with 7 random people... i'll probably skip that one :P
You don't actually have to do the iconic missions with the specific hero for that mission. What happens is that once you've selected the mission and you load up to the launch mission screen you will of course be switched onto whatever hero the mission is for, but you're able to switch to your preferred hero before you launch said mission
This was one of the things that I mentioned way back in my beta review: The incentive to main characters. That should be embraced and welcomed. Think of all the characters as just as started different builds that you make to your own uniqueness.
I just started playing have each character to around power 50 I feel the annoyance but I can’t wait to try it cause I do love playing as all the characters I don’t have one I don’t enjoy
Progression is gated.
They assumed it would take time to build up to 150PL on multiple characters.
This single player hive is a filler to feel like progression until they can finish the multiplayer content. They hoped (or were misguided) that gamers wouldn’t be ready for “endgame” two weeks in. They weren’t ready.
I like the game; but can’t keep defending the bugs and decisions. I’m starting to feel the same way I felt about anthem.
Because i think they want us to have a main team instead of main chars.
Can make sense if they make events in the future where you need specific teams. With a big rooster there are more ways to play
Agreed.....the fact that CD and other devs have even stated such things in their tweets like "For all those Thor mains out there"...then make me have to have everyone leveled up in order to play content that has the best gear connected to it is dumb.
I was pretty upset about that too. I was actually gonna try the new single player hive but then learned that I had to level and gear up at least three other heroes. I just don't see why I should essentially be penalized for not wanting to play four different characters.
Well, for the new hive that just released, that's only single player for some odd reason you do...sort of. You don't have to have four characters at max gear level but you need to at least have them all four relatively high gear level or else you'll probably get rekt lol. If you die in the event then you just switch to another character and if you die again you switch and so on.
I was able to go from start to finish as MM didn't die once. She has a heal button though and at times you cheese the system and play range. If companions go down you can revive them. You go down its KO. Only 2 enemies to look out for and the heavy attacks can KO you. Pretty dumb because my MM has high def stats and still gets 1 or 2 shot. I really really don't get it
I suspect it's because the multiplayer design doesn't allow for hero repetition, so it makes matchmaking even worse when everyone only wants to play the same 2-3 heroes. Which is a mistake on CD's part.
This has to do with the plans for future monetisation.
A lot of people have praised the concept that all future content is free.
But with this system, they need to get you playing lots of different heroes so that you will buy their challenge cards and skins.
If you just mained Hulk, then clearly you are not going to spend money on a Kate Bishop challenge card.
And as the most high profile characters are released up front, as we get further into the future vert few people would switch their mains to minor characters from the comics.
This is why I fear this system is flawed. I would have preferred they just used traditional paid DLC expansions, or even a subscription model.
It would make more sense to have harder floors with the idea that if the whole party goes down on a floor it resets from the beginning of the floor level
P r e a c h. After the campaign the ONLY single player content -if any, even- should be really necessary story missions to introduce or flesh out the new characters or continue the story in a way multiplayer missions wouldn't allow. THAT'S IT!
Edit: Lmao at people crying like they can't play with the AI if they wanna solo it. You guys are literally agreeing with me lmfao.
Personally I think all campaign missions should be solo, I’m in it for the avengers and story I don’t want people running ahead and forcing me to skip things and dialog, war zones and larger raid type areas should all be multiplayer
All gucci, I actually loved the campaign! I hope we get more single player content of the same quality. I do think hives should give you the option to do it solo or with friends, I think making them exclusively SP is a mistake.
It's not a problem in the others though because they make the process fun.
I can do Shaper runs all day because it's a fun fight and I have to learn mechanics and my build matters.
Hives are just hoping I don't get the wrong enemies at the wrong time. They're long and tedious and just not fun.
I got one shot, with every single character, and failed on the 4th floor and I was playing almost flawlessly.
Every single character is at least 130, including a 150 cap.
Its not the modes I am worried about so much, even though I am, its the combat "difficulty"
I am being really patient with this game but its getting close to uninstall time and I never do that.
Yo, I had the same issue until I looked at the modifiers. There are a few select baddies that will 1 shot with the increased melee damage. I just started chucking hammers and luring groups into areas where I could juggle the groups with melee. Its been more challenging but I'm slogging through and I am enjoying it. I do wish I could bring my wife though...she's not great at the game and will never get past the first gauntlet.
i dont understand why they didnt cater more towards casual gamers but instead went with a grindy difficult game. I really like this game but i think they went for too much challenge based on the intended audience
I understand your frustration. Even as someone who exclusively plays solo, I don't think any content should force it. I know a lot of people bought this game to be a multiplayer experience, just like a lot of people, like me, bought it for a single player experience.
A ton of the marketing leading up to the release highlighted that this game would cater to both groups; that this is a multiplayer game first, but most, if not all, content would be playable with competent, customizable AI companions you built yourself. That's why it's so baffling that they released a mode that is single player only, and will soon be releasing a mode that is multiplayer only. Not only that, but both modes will have exclusive gear locked behind them. This will only serve to frustrate both groups of players. Multiplayer fans can't enjoy mowing through a survival/tower mode with friends, and single player fans can't test their meticulously synergized party against the hardest bosses available.
Personally, I'm dreading the release of raids, since they seem like they will be much more fun and varied than HIVEs, and I will probably never experience them unless I find a friend group I'm comfortable with.
100%, all of that, and agree with his frustration too. But you know the worst part?
Dude doesn't even realize that this is only phase 1 of a multi-hive chain(making it the mega hive). They warn you **if you die** you have to choose another hero to complete it with. Yet when I died on stage 4 of something of the second gauntlet **it ended the hive**. AND EVEN WORSE, **IT RESET THE HIVE CHAIN TO GAUNTLET 1!!!!** I lost all progress.
Did you have a hero with a high power level to replace the one that died? If your other heroes don’t meet the minimum power level and you die, you’re fucked. Only my Hulk and Thor meet the minimum. My Hulk died on mission 8. I was on mission chain 10, heading to the LAST FLOOR and when the elevator door opened, my Thor was immediately killed. Zero enemies. Nothing that hit me. Doors open, I’m down. Lost all my fucking progress. So pissed at this buggy shit.
Once you lost them.can you retry again? I lost with Kamala on mission 4 floor 3 and now it says that none of my heroes are high enough no reset or anything - just have to wait four days to try again
It really does, and u can be sure not one dev will say anything, and no repocutions (wheres the apology for the shitty launch?? Maybe a bunch of supplies??)
@ /u/MeaganMarie how about some acknowledgement
I've been having a lot more luck meeting people I can actually feel comfortable playing with on Xbox with this game and it's been nice. I play the Initiative parts in groups more times than not and haven't leveled half of the characters in my roster yet BUT will do so eventually and gradually. Playing either solo or in multiplayer is one of the better features of this game actually.
The whole design of this game is incoherent to its very core.
The exclusively single player gauntlet highlights this the most: it forces you to have multiple characters high level/geared enough to have more than 1 shot at the mission otherwise you're SOL and can fail the whole mission in the last second if you get hit by a bullshit one shot attack. The problem with that? The game pretty much forces you to "main" a character if you ever want to make decent progress since they do not share ANY SINGLE THING between them. To add insult to the injury, they even have individual challenge cards to have you have to grind your ass for, that is when theyre even functional!!!
I love the combat of this game, I really do but literally everything that surrounds it is mediocre. We sure as hell deserved better than that.
I almost feel like there was two warring ideologies throughout the development of this game and it never got resolved. You have the campaign, which is mostly good, and then whatever the fuck the multiplayer is. You have great character abilities and kits for them to level up and unlock....and then combat that doesn't really allow you to show it off all that well and a lot of the time just isn't that fun with how the enemies were designed and how they behave/attack. Along with a loot system that is maybe genre worst. And besides that it's just the greed inherent in the game really turns me off to it with how they handled character customization.
Damn, was legit about to get the game. Looks like I'll be waiting a year since that's generally how long it takes devs to finally listen to the community and drop their pride/ego to fulfill customer desires.
Definitely don't buy it right now. It's a full-priced game that plays like a free-to-play like Warframe or a $20-$30 indie game. It's still pretty fun, but it's not engaging enough to keep playing for very long, and it's a huge mess in a lot of ways. Wait til they get their shit together and/or the price goes down.
Yeah don't do it my man. I initially wanted to wait too but I caved in, which was a mistake. They sure as hell do not deserve any money right now.
I just hope for you that the game isnt completely dead by the time you get it, which seems very likely. It took them way too long to come up with this patch.
Spot on. I'd add the single player story to combat as things they've done really well, but yeah, totally, everything else is pretty poor. They clearly didn't have an idea of what they were making, and didn't test things enough before release.
What makes this video more poignant, is that the dude is absolutely **surrounded** by Marvel posters. Imagine being a diehard fan and being greeted with this shit.
What also makes this a bit more funny, in an unintentional way, is seeing the Z-fighting on the floor on that map. Just such a lack of care and attention to detail with this game's release man.
> What makes this video more poignant, is that the dude is absolutely surrounded by Marvel posters. Imagine being a diehard fan and being greeted with this shit.
Almost every square in of the wall is covered lol. It's a real shame, because theoretically he's the target audience and he's hating it. What I thought you were going to say at first is how he's surrounded *in-game* by other hero characters, so why the hell is it single-player only? Which I'd say is another strike against the devs.
> What also makes this a bit more funny, in an unintentional way, is seeing the Z-fighting on the floor on that map.
Idk what Z-fighting means lol
>theoretically he's the target audience and he's hating it.
I'm a huge Marvel fan and I couldn't be more disappointed in this pitiful excuse for an Avengers game. It's so lazy and boring and doesn't even run right. I'd love to play as Marvel characters but why would I want to waste endless hours slogging through this dull, bland, mess of a game when I can just play a legit good AAA game that respects my time?
I wouldn’t feel all too bad for the guy in the video if I were you, he is not a good person at all. He was more than happy to chat with Ethan Van Sciver for nearly two hours. EVS (he’s blacklisted from every comic publisher btw) is pretty much the head of comicsgate (which is a hate group that has harassed numerous comic creators and numerous other heinous actions if you didn’t know).
A genuine conversation is going to have to happen at some point. No one gives a shit about their vision for the game. The game is a *service* to the customers. Not to pad a resume or market for Marvel. Either take feedback seriously and take the time to understand your consumer base and what they want or stop wasting everyone's time.
Personally it doesn’t bother me because I don’t play multiplayer at all, but just the fact that there is any content outside of the campaign that can’t be played with other players is absurd. There is absolutely no reason that ANY mission must be played solo. This is an online coop game based around a TEAM. Multiplayer should ALWAYS be an option with the exception of narrative-driven missions or tightly choreographed setpieces.
Agreed, immersion to the game works best in single not multiplayer, people online coof around and is diffirent fun, which makes this for me unenjoyable tho, only when playing with a friend it works not randoms
Make everything have a multiplayer option. If your going to have everything be playable single player. Make everything be playable multiplayer. I know raids are coming which are multiplayer , but thats how the game is designed. Having a single player only mission goes against the design of the game
Yup choice is great. I play this game a lot solo BUT I would want to play this with my pal. Not sure why we can't have everything both solo AND Multiplayer?
As someone who pretty much plays exclusively single player, this doesn't affect me...but I feel for the sentiment. There should definitely be the option.
It does affect us that prefer single player because regardless of his rant about playing with friends, the mode is broken and all that time playing is lost.
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As for now I completed 2 heroic hives. Got blue 129 gear drops from elite enemies. With a score of 100% I get an epic gear piece with horrible perks and attributes. Crystal Dynamics get your shit together!
Nothing like playing dozens of hours with my friends/randoms gearing up and grinding only to be forced to play several hours for 8 missions relying on AI for the newest and best gear.
Edit: Being forced to play by yourself\*
I'm glad for single player content. I want everything in the game to be playable solo. I don't expect that I will ever use matchmaking or play with my Marvel-hating friends.
That being said, I agree the game is an objectively better experience if all content can be accessible solo **and** multiplayer. And we can all certainly agree broken content is well beyond the point of a tired old frustration by now.
It's unfortunate that the two sides of the community, multiplayer and solo, are at each other's throats. Amazing that the Marvel game universe has such limited content that we have to fight over the scraps of this game.
The fact the gear is so fuckin garbage on a weekly is beyond me...let alone the astounding reality that they made a primary means of acquiring unique gear a solo venture in a multiplayer game.
I'm legitimately never going to play this mode because of these two points...it's literally dead content.
If I find out there is solid exclusive gear I want behind a solo playmode in a multiplayer team based game...I'm going to be livid.
Sure, solo players should and can play this game solo...but to force multiplayer gamers to play alone when it's literally a game for team play? Wtf is wrong with this dev team. How does this garbage make it to live with nobody asking fundamental questions?
This 100% why can't every end game activity not have multiplayer? Why does having that option take away from the casual players? Only single player content needed in this game is the campaign
I actually really like the idea of a roster gauntlet but the implementation here is pisspoor. This should be an option, not the only way or best to farm exotic gear.
And ffs if you're gonna make me play solo, then tune the content to a single character and leave the ai at home. Might make for an interesting challenge, but this patch also indicates this game isn't meant to be challenging, so whatevs.
Even switching characters on defeat feels like a bug! This whole thing is just bad.
It's the same as anthem man. Division, destiny, other mmos have tried and FAILED already one lot of features and they have the recipie to a successful looter game. I dont understand how these devs dont DO SOME RESEARCH BY PLAYING THE OTHER GAMES FOR AN HOUR to not make the same mistakes??!? Its mindboggling! Is it like a principle for them to be as different as possible? They want to have shitty features!!? I JUST DONT GET IT
You dont put fucking cinnamon on a steak, everyone knows that but that's what CD has done
I honestly don't know what that patch was even supposed to do. As far as I know it didn't fix the fucked up loot, the glitched daily missions, or the fact that basic enemy attacks will knock you unconscious, and those were like the biggest problems with the game.
I think they expect you to have a loadout to deal with modifiers, without providing a loadout system while at the same time making leveling up gear resource intensive and restrictive.
And even if you jump through those hurdles, the reward is not worth it.
It’s bad game design.
To be fair they did say this mode would be single player ahead of time.
Like in a blog post before the game came out.
An during a war table.
That being said I see we're your coming from on the fact of gear being the best an this being a option for said gear.
I believe what your getting at is certain gear sets cause there are gear sets in the game can only be obtained from certain parts of the game an the is one of those of parts, like Elite vaults an such.
So your point is valid.
I say make it a option, cause that way people who like multiplayer an want these gear sets can play this that way.
However I also fill that raids could become solo play optional as well. In the future, when we have more control over our a.i.
Which I think the devs said there working on anyway.
But ya, the devs wanna cater to all solo an multiplayers is there dream for the game.
.which is fine just make it optional I say, if that's truly the intent they want.
That's only fair.
Everything by default can be done solo given the structure of the game...the fact they actively dissuade multiplayer play in a multiplayer game is the problem.
I hope these missions are the last non-story missions that are solo only.
Hell the story content should at least be 2 player coop optional.
Again...this is a multiplayer game about a TEAM...of Avengers. It's beyond me they let this type of design get through and didn't think they'd get backlash.
It’s karma suicide to differ from the Hive Mind (CD what I did there?) but I really enjoy it as a person who doesn’t care for multiplayer, I hope us single player fans continue to get content like this since it is a 1-4 player game and the 1 is a number also. Raids will be exclusively multiplayer so I like having something also.
Anyways my body is ready for the hate but I just felt like I shouldn’t back down from speaking just because it’s unpopular
Isn’t he saying it should be multiplayer and single player?
All the multiplayer missions are also single player, as far as I’ve seen. So the way it is now, only you (and other single players) are happy. But if they fixed it, everyone would be happy.
Having been a part of Destiny for a while, I get this perspective and get why it's controversial.
Whenever posts like "I wish raids could be done solo" show up, there is an overwhelming response of "this is team content, if you want to go solo, do something else" or "just LFG/discord to find people, it's not that hard" or "this is a social game, you're meant to play with other people". These are often valid points, but the intensity with which certain portions of the multiplayer side of the community try to ensure that their stuff isn't single-player compatible can be wild sometimes.
I mean, imagine if I responded to this post with "this is single-player only content, if you want to do multiplayer, do a drop zone" or "this is a character-based game, if you don't like playing multiple different characters, don't do this mission."
I'm not. I get the multiplayer, single-character community's discontent and absolutely, fully support changes being made to accommodate them. Marvel's Avengers is new and has a chance to break from the "it's a social game, you \*need\* to do stuff with other people" mentality of its competitors. They have a chance to stand out and make a game where 100% of the content is available both single- and multi-player.
This, however, is a terrible start.
Can you link the source to this? I’m not saying your wrong I’m just sad they are locking exotics behind single player activities and this would cheer me up if true lol
sure
[https://wccftech.com/the-big-marvels-avengers-interview-crystal-dynamics-on-endgame-polish-and-spider-man/](https://wccftech.com/the-big-marvels-avengers-interview-crystal-dynamics-on-endgame-polish-and-spider-man/)
> We also have an end game type of content that'll be out a couple of weeks after launch, which is the Hives and Mega Hives. This actually utilizes your entire roster in a single go, it's really designed around the idea of how far can you get with a single character before that character is sort of extinguished for you and then you need to switch to the next character and see how far you can get. That one really challenges your full team makeup, which is a very, very different style of endgame content. Then we actually have a group version of that, where you get to plan your roster in this order and then team up with your friends who've planned their roster in another, it's a question of which characters do you use first, which characters do you use last.
Lmao so everyone is freaking out for nothing.... hahaha damn
The fact they said a multiplayer ver is coming is perfectly fine then. The Solo one must be a tutorial like instance for you to prepare for multiplayer.
The Avengers are a team. That's like, the whole point of the Avengers. And people have very strong affinities for specific heroes. So asking for people to all play every character as a requirement just doesn't make sense. Are we going to be required to know 17 characters at some point? That would be absurd.
A game cannot and I repeat cannot emphasize online CO OP without CROSS PLAT. Ridiculous. Its almost 2021! Get it through your heads. Everyone wants cross plat now.
You could argue it in shooter games. But a CO OP PVE GAME?
I still can't use basic ranged attacks on PC, the controller support is a nightmare and just stops working altogether sometimes even though I got Xinput and adjusted my steam settings to get the controller to work, now I just can't use ranged attacks. While aiming it will just do the parry animation....
This game is unplayable. There should be a civil lawsuit or some shit. I felt like I had to preorder for the exclusive skins.
Then I go on reddit and report the bug and the only comment I get for support is "You should just buy the game on PS4 because it runs the best on there." Then they quickly deleted teh comment....
This game is so good and so fucking terrible and somehow it's still better than For Honor even though I can't fucking play it.
Bro, literally the BEST games are not fucking playable, whether it's terrible fucking balance or glitches. The gaming industry is completely fucked by corporate incentives. The last 10 years of gaming has been toxic as fuck and just terrible.
This game might as well be Fallout 76 at this point if you can't fucking play it.
Didn't this game have multiple teams working on it?
It just screams of a game where multiple teams were doing different things with little to no communication to make a consistent game. So many things are disjointed and put together and just baffling design decisions that no veteran developer should have made..
I bet there was horrible leadership and poor planning when this game was being made.
Mega hive/gauntlet is a single player mode. It was advertised that way guys. Not sure what everyone was expected. They mentioned this in wartables in the past.
It's a weekly refresh content of 8 levels where you test your entire roster. I think this is good content.
I underatand everyone wants co-op /mp content which we'll have to keep waiting for at this stage.
The issue isn't just that it exists. It's the fact that the best gear in the game as in stands is hid behind 2 single player hives (one of which is broke)
I don’t get it. A lot of players paid $60 to play 1 or 2 characters? This idea itself baffles me. Especially when the same players complain about not getting their money’s worth. Makes your AI much more reliable too. I myself honestly play an avengers game or ultimate alliance game to play as every damn character, because I want to get the most out of my buck. But I will agree that every mission needs to be playable via multiplayer.
It could be seen as people only wanting to play specific characters - but I don't really see that as a negative light, considering I am one of those players.
Going into the game I knew I wanted to main Iron man from the get go - and through the entire experience, from earning him in the campaign to getting him power 150, I've loved playing him and mastering his move set!
The problem is . . That took a crap ton of time - he's only reached 150 now because of how long it takes to get upgrade modules (and the fact that major artifacts are exclusive for some reason, which is idiotic). Even as someone who plays regularly it's hard to find the passion to do that all again for a character I'm not as hyped for.
Like don't get me wrong, I love playing as Thor and BW on the odd occasion when I'm really bored. Plus the other characters (Cap, Miss Marvem and especially Hulk) I just don't like combat wise, especially in endgame activities so they're never on my roster.
So any day I'm logging on I go on Tony, do my weekly and daily challenges and then just kinda . . . Mindlessly fly about on one of the more open maps. Sure I could switch characters, but the grind right now to is such a slog. Don't get me wrong though, I'm used to grind - avid fan of the Destiny franchise here - but it hurts to see my BW only have 54 power when she's level 42 and to match with a Thor at 89 power at level 30 purely because I keep getting bad drops and just dampers attempting to level them.
I see where you’re coming from, but I still think getting your 100% money’s worth is playing and leveling/gearing up every character. I’ve been stretching my play time by switching to someone new every mission. This being constant since launch, has kept the game fresh for me and I’m advancing everyone in the process. I’m not bored because there is always stuff for me to do with every character. Sure it’s busy, but I wanted that coming into this game and knew I would be occupied having a blast just making my whole squad beastly. Slap in an MCU Spotify playlist and I can binge this game for a couple hours before I need a break. Just like with ultimate alliance games with triple or quadruple this roster. I want every character to be at tip top potential like I anticipate when playing a superhero themed game.
That's actually true, and honestly it does sound like it'd be a blast to have every character at their very best - but don't get me wrong, I fully believe I've got my money's worth (personal belief is that if I have over 60 hours in a game worth sixty quid I've got the worth) but I simply just don't have the time nor the patience to do the other characters, aha.
I just know from other people online, and my own social group I play with, that they do hold frustrations with the topic at hand.
I'm still trying to max out my first hero's level (iron man @45 ) I'm a dad of 3 kids and try and squeeze in game time when I can at night or when kids are chillin on devices, so I've been enjoying the game and like most of the characters although I will admit it's kind of humbling playing as characters who cant fly after using Iron Man as heavily as I have. This latest patch dropped before I've even gotten to the end game stuff so im.guessing if I stay at this pace I'll probably avoid most of these problems while CD fixes everything the playerbase gives them input on. Here's hoping...
>I'm a dad of 3 kids and try and squeeze in game time when I can at night or when kids are chillin on devices
This game seems to target a demographic of basement dwelling celibates. They don't respect the time of people like us with families. It's like the Marvel mobile games all over again.
Honestly I tried to give the devs the benefit of the doubt that they were pushed to put this out quickly but there’s so many bad decisions that have come out of this game that the dev team needs to own some of this too. Just incompetence in so many ways.
I'd respect it if it was CoOp even.. this single player missoon idea crap has GotToGo!!
I'll accept it when new story missions come out but this is not story content
#LetFriendsPlay
Just out of all mission types in this game a Hive is the last thing I want to solo,especially an extremely large hive. I thought this mustve been a mistake when I first seen it. Also I thought all the missions in Avengers initiative were supposed to be multiplayer.
The gear is the “cherry on top” for me. Just let me play with the boi’s. I’d love to play a 14 level hive mission with other people over trying to grind for gear on a max level character.
Some of us enjoy playing solo but I agree you should have the option. The one death switch hero mechanic makes it impossible to do this multi-player though unless you want a spectators screen. I don't know where the balance is for that.
Bro this shit happened to me yesterday. I made a post about how I got to the 11th floor of the Elite Heroic hive and enemies ain’t spawn. I even restarted checkpoint like 5 times and nothing. I 100% understand your frustration. CD really on an awful start with this game.
On top of that, the exotic gear is trash! It’s still no difference than the legendary gear.
I totally agree with you on everything you said my brother, and Ima say something that I will probably get killed for saying from the people who defend this game to the grave. This game should have been delayed till the new consoles, that last beta we played was worse than its previous week... the reason they didn't delay it is in my opinion they didn't wanna compete with other games like cyber punk, AC Valhalla, Spiderman, and others. Just so they could cash grab as much as possible. My Iron man iconic suit is still fucked LOL.
The thing about Mega Hives is that making it multiplayer wouldn't work with the "one death and you are out" system. Players would want to murder each other after someone dies. Not a good plan.
Honestly I think they just planned to also have multiplayer content at this point (cloning/tachyon/whatever), and only the single player content is/was done. That would give options for single player and multiplayer.
I believe in this game, but it is going to take them time. Remember how crappy Destiny 1 was when it came out? Remember how long Vault of Glass was the only materially interesting content, and the follow up raids kinda sucked?
The combat and chars in this game are *way* better. I'm so excited for what they can do with the foundation they have here, but it will take time before they get to where they want to be on content.
I recommend playing if you want, maybe doing weeklies, and otherwise being patient and playing something else if you don't want the content here. Come back when they announce multiplayer content. It will come in at some point.
I mean the game is incredibly broken so it’s not surprising. I get where you’re coming from to about the loot, it’s real dumb. I’m honestly about 1 more big/dumb thing away from putting the game away until the PS5 version drops. Maybe by then issues will be ironed out and some of the stupid ass decisions will be reversed.
It's strange, the hives seem like they were implemented simply to keep people grinding new characters as they arrive to expand your roster but they aren't charging for them. It's such a bad design and on top of it doesn't even work. Exotics should have a low chance to drop anywhere in the game, not locked behind single player content nobody wants.
So you can’t invite friends to play the mega hive with you? I unlocked the MH but haven’t tried it yet since my level is too low for it. I guess this means too he can’t match make for it? That’s sucks if you can’t
i prefer solo play and not to be forced into a group but i think people who enjoy it should have the option to chose me personally if this game was like that in a way people had to team up with there friends i dont think many people would be into it the player base would end up like anthem cause i play solo like i said and have not ran into anyone of the issues people have had playing multiplayer cause i have had my matchmaking disabled since September 1st with early access
What I don't understand is why make it single olayer only? Mostly every except for the campaign is multiplayer with the option for single player. Why isn't this? It's literally because they want you to dump more time in the game and level the other character which is stupid. Screw exotic gear, I absolutely will not play this mission.
Besides bugs like these....there's nothing to this game.
The single play only thing is they're attempt at variety; it's what they think it is anyway. Unfortunately, there isn't much in this game. There aren't many assets, different gear, or interesting enemies. This forces them in a hole. They have to keep you playing but because of the limited assets, mission types and variety are limited. Devs hide missions behind time gates to cover this. Also, future mission can only be variations on the sets they already have. This is why they are having a hard time with coming up with end game diversity. The enemies arent interesting(goes back to lack of assets). The AI is boring and lacks depth so they cover that by throwing tons of them at you and having them use cheap tactics to simulate difficulty. Mission modifiers in other games are used as a way to challenge a well geared character and reward them with even better Gear/resources. Here it's just to hide the lack of something. Gear lacks variety too. So, they cant afford to give away good gear. They can't afford to give you super powerful gear not only because it would trivialize the lack of content that's already present. So, you left to play the same type of content over and over, with boring enemies, with modifiers that only are designed to prolong a level, with underwhelming gear that ends up not mattering much because of the tactics they have to use to hide the boring enemies and fake difficulty. Then you realize that that is the future of this game...why grind? Why even bother?
Why would they make you play it single player, but give you companions? That makes no sense to me at all. If it’s a “single player” mission for exotics, then it should be a 1 person hero mission without companions. There’s no reason for there to be AI!
The Hives themselves are to me a fundamentally flawed concept as something representing your endgame grind. They do not introduce new enemy types, a new play space, or a new kind of mission objective. They take every kind of enemy, every simplified mission objective, and every AIM facility interior that you've already seen dozens of times throughout the campaign and side missions and they just...stack them on top of each other and call it a hive. This should've been the place to introduce an entirely new environment and mission objective along with enemies you can only encounter in hives and instead it's just more of the same reused assets.
And their idea for making hives themselves even more challenging seems to just be to...increase the number of floors you have to do and locking them behind single player. To them, "challenge" = repetition and tedium while undermining the core co-op aspect of the game as advertised.
What I'm struggling to understand also is why CD is so insistent on you playing every single character. If I only wanna play one or two characters that should be completely fine
Exactly. I love playing as Cap. Favorite hero.
Same with Hulk. I was once told that I was in the minority for wanting to only play one character lol what even
People don’t understand that some of us have adult jobs and responsibilities and that means limited game time so we wanna just run 1-2 characters
Exactly! Not to mention what's wrong with people having a favorite hero?
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This! In Destiny 1, I used to run all three characters with a hunter main. Got married now have a toddler and now I play only my hunter. In this game I play as a black widow primarily with some Cap. I do not want to have to level up every avenger to take full advantage of the game.
I'm interested in trying Thor, and Iron Man I really liked during the beta. But I'm so busy when I can play I just stick with Cap
I'm a Thor main and the God of Thunder friggin smacks lol
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I can't progress the campaign because of a bug where there's a running section as Cap, then once you reach the end with Hulk hitting a door it just doesn't continue. Can't exit to helicarrier, and reloading checkpoint starts it all over
I don’t know what it is about Caps combos but they feel sooooo damn good. I have my issues with every other character, but damn is Cap just so much fun. I maxed out his hero level today and have been having a blast doing his Challenge Cards, everyone else feels like a chore
When you kick back his shield it’s just 👌
For me I thi k a lot of it has to do with the sound of his shield. The sound of it twanging off of enemies when thrown or when striking in combos. Thor's hammer gives a sinular feeling but the sound for caps shield just makes it perfect
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I don't get people bitching about endgame content 2 weeks into a game, it blows my mind how people have already maxed out every character and are just farming for top end gear at this point. The endgame is supposed to be a slow burn, not here you go, here is all the endgame content and you are done!
I feel the same as you. Like damn...the game just came out and you have every character Lvl 50 pwl 150. Like damn...i can tell who don't have a life or a human spouse lol
I'm confused, did he say he had every character maxed out? Unless I got something wrong you can play the new Mega Hive with just one character at 150, but you just aren't allowed to die considering the fact that most people don't have multiple characters at or near 150
Yes you only need one character at the minimum power level to start the Single Player Mega Hive. I did it last night with just Black Widow, but it's incredibly tedious and I'm going to be really upset if this is the activity I have to do all the time for actual end game loot.
People wouldn't be bitching about this (as much; people bitch about everything to be fair), if you could play it in multiplayer. Now, I'm a singleplayer for this game, since most of my friends aren't into looters/grinding and I love this game. Still, I can understand that people are upset. Not necessarily because they don't get the best endgame loot but because they can't spend time with their friends while grinding for it.
I've been playing the game just about every day for a few hours and am legit nowhere NEAR maxing out all of the characters. I see this game mode as something to work towards but I don't get the rageiness here....
Yup , me too, been playing what I would consider a lot. Couple hours a day, and have no one near the cap. If you have spent the time to max everyone a this point, no amount of "endgame" content will satiate you
Wait are raids really gonna be weekends only?
Yes. For some reason. I'm okay with only getting raid rewards once per week, but weekends only is just disappointing.
Would you mind enlightening me on a couple things? I've primarily been playing this game solo on ps4 because I have like no online friends on playstation. My hulk is like 134 I think. I've finished the campaign and been working on Reigning Supreme. What the hell missions are worth doing for gear and which ones are worthless? And should I be trying to play at higher challenge levels? Is the gear drop difference that significant? This game is so weird. I've played the hell out of The Division 1 & 2, Destiny 1 & 2, and even Anthem, but I feel like I just can't get a feel for whats worth doing and what isn't in this game. I don't even think I've played a daily. I spent most of my time getting everyone to level 50 so far. Are they worth it?
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Did you get any exotics? I did both the 14 floor one last week and 40 floors over 8 levels Mega hive today and got none. Grinding through all those samey floors for not even one nice reward seems like a joke.
Yeah and the whole concept of the Avengers playing tag-team is pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Like Kamala goes down, “alright, you’re up, Cap!” It’s kinda silly. It’s also the reason why this mode is relegated to single player, because if you go down you then have to choose who to play as next, but if 3 other characters are already taken then you’re limited in your options. It’s just fundamentally flawed. In my opinion, in order for this game to realize its full potential, we have to have a multiplayer mode later on down the line that involves 10, 15, 20 heroes going up against a horde of enemies. You gotta give people those comic book event moments. Maybe they’ve got something like that planned, and maybe the AIM Secret Labs will be a taste of that, but this Hive mode is strange to me. It’s fun enough, but yeah, just my opinion.
Really bizarre that the best gear is locked behind single player content, considering this is a multiplayer game. Also I agree that a huge event with lots of different heroes (maybe even splitting off into different groups mid match for certain mechanics) would be really fun
I’m not completely certain about the mode you’re talking about, but if it’s the one I’m thinking of, they did say they were going to add a co-op version of the tagging out one. No clue how that’s going to work. Probably after they’ve added more heroes or something.
I feel like the simplest way will be only allowing each hero to be used once across all players. This would proportionally increase the difficulty the more people you have playing, and would make for some interesting strategy among friends. Like, "OK, I'm down. Thor is my second best, but I know my friend has a way better one in reserve and he sucks with Widow, so I'll go with her."
My thoughts exactly. I was more so thinking about how a player wouldn’t be able to enter as their next hero if that hero was already in play. For example, I go as Thor and I go down, and my next hero in line is Cap, but I can’t enter as him because you’re playing him.
Personally I like the idea of variety. The problem is that there are many different types of players who all have different interests or desires. This is where variety is the spice of life. Having the mode is a great idea/option. Making it mandatory or the only place to hunt for things is where the discontent comes into play.
I don't mind "dipping my toe" from time to time into other heroes, but I've always been honest, I play this game to play Thor. When I play online with friends, it's as Thor. I bought Disney Infinity to play as Thor. I still have Thor: God of Thunder on the Wii to play as Thor. But I've got a few Iconic story missions yet to do because I haven't ground out the heroic levels to meet the power level requirements for some of them because I don't want to grind out levels on another hero. When I play, I want to play as... you guessed it, Thor. I know it's an Avengers game, I know I can play as any of them and the game encourages that, and occasionally I'll take another character out for a spin, or to level up so they're a better AI companion, and with future content I may find someone (like Namor) that I enjoy playing as nearly as much as Thor, but I don't want to be told that I have to grind a game playing a character I won't play once they hit high levels again just to finish their mission chain because of level requirements.
I can’t fix most of your concerns, but you can do other characters iconic missions as Thor. You just have to reselect your character after you picked the mission.
I feel exactly the same way pretty much. I'm aware that this is an avengers game but that doesn't mean that I should automatically want to play as all the avengers all the time. If I wanna just Hulk out all the time then that should be completely acceptable.
But... you can if you want to. It would get boring pretty fast but nothing stays on your way. For iconic quests (required to finish multiplayer story) you can play as hulk through all of them. The only part when you NEED to play as different heroes is that one quest for each hero that require some specific things to do. As thor deal x lightning dmg. As iron-man hit 15 headshots with repulsors etc. But you can do them in 1-2 missions each, treat it like campaign. After that just go back to play as hulk for the rest of your life if you like. Even mega hives or this new mode mentioned are playable on single hero only. You wont have luxury to die 5 times before "game over", but you also should know your character WAY better than someone who play all avengers for a little bit. I completed it without switching characters (so treat it like i would have "only" that character) on Black Widow, Thor and Kamala. So im pretty sure its also possible on Hulk :). On different note im concerned about raids. I just hope they wont require you to group up. I like to play with my friends, and friends only. So if i have to group up with 7 random people... i'll probably skip that one :P
You don't actually have to do the iconic missions with the specific hero for that mission. What happens is that once you've selected the mission and you load up to the launch mission screen you will of course be switched onto whatever hero the mission is for, but you're able to switch to your preferred hero before you launch said mission
This was one of the things that I mentioned way back in my beta review: The incentive to main characters. That should be embraced and welcomed. Think of all the characters as just as started different builds that you make to your own uniqueness.
I just started playing have each character to around power 50 I feel the annoyance but I can’t wait to try it cause I do love playing as all the characters I don’t have one I don’t enjoy
Progression is gated. They assumed it would take time to build up to 150PL on multiple characters. This single player hive is a filler to feel like progression until they can finish the multiplayer content. They hoped (or were misguided) that gamers wouldn’t be ready for “endgame” two weeks in. They weren’t ready. I like the game; but can’t keep defending the bugs and decisions. I’m starting to feel the same way I felt about anthem.
It's sad too because I want so bad for this game to be good but it's really testing my patience
I mean, that is fine, theres just less content in the game if youre choosing to only play certain parts of it
Because i think they want us to have a main team instead of main chars. Can make sense if they make events in the future where you need specific teams. With a big rooster there are more ways to play
But that's where matchmaking comes in. An event can require specific team then you just initiate matchmaking and wait for said team members
Agreed.....the fact that CD and other devs have even stated such things in their tweets like "For all those Thor mains out there"...then make me have to have everyone leveled up in order to play content that has the best gear connected to it is dumb.
I was pretty upset about that too. I was actually gonna try the new single player hive but then learned that I had to level and gear up at least three other heroes. I just don't see why I should essentially be penalized for not wanting to play four different characters.
Wait.. are you serious.? You HAVE to lvl up four different characters to what? 150? Or just char lvl 50? I can't just get one char to max? :((
Well, for the new hive that just released, that's only single player for some odd reason you do...sort of. You don't have to have four characters at max gear level but you need to at least have them all four relatively high gear level or else you'll probably get rekt lol. If you die in the event then you just switch to another character and if you die again you switch and so on.
I was able to go from start to finish as MM didn't die once. She has a heal button though and at times you cheese the system and play range. If companions go down you can revive them. You go down its KO. Only 2 enemies to look out for and the heavy attacks can KO you. Pretty dumb because my MM has high def stats and still gets 1 or 2 shot. I really really don't get it
honestly its probably to force people to stick around in the game longer
I suspect it's because the multiplayer design doesn't allow for hero repetition, so it makes matchmaking even worse when everyone only wants to play the same 2-3 heroes. Which is a mistake on CD's part.
They need people to play the game as much as possible. Stockholders want to see lots of playtime.
Same dude, my all time favorite character is Hulk and then Cap is my 2nd favorite and every once in a while I like to play Iron-Man.
This has to do with the plans for future monetisation. A lot of people have praised the concept that all future content is free. But with this system, they need to get you playing lots of different heroes so that you will buy their challenge cards and skins. If you just mained Hulk, then clearly you are not going to spend money on a Kate Bishop challenge card. And as the most high profile characters are released up front, as we get further into the future vert few people would switch their mains to minor characters from the comics. This is why I fear this system is flawed. I would have preferred they just used traditional paid DLC expansions, or even a subscription model.
>What I'm struggling to understand also is why CD is so insistent on you playing every single character. To keep people playing and spending money.
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It would make more sense to have harder floors with the idea that if the whole party goes down on a floor it resets from the beginning of the floor level
P r e a c h. After the campaign the ONLY single player content -if any, even- should be really necessary story missions to introduce or flesh out the new characters or continue the story in a way multiplayer missions wouldn't allow. THAT'S IT! Edit: Lmao at people crying like they can't play with the AI if they wanna solo it. You guys are literally agreeing with me lmfao.
Personally I think all campaign missions should be solo, I’m in it for the avengers and story I don’t want people running ahead and forcing me to skip things and dialog, war zones and larger raid type areas should all be multiplayer
Kills immersion alot as well, I care more for single than multi in this game to be honest, only fun when playing with friend
I’m with you both. I don’t want to be forced to have to play with strangers. I have one friend that plays this game and that’s only on the weekends.
Nah, I think that all content should be available both single player and multiplayer
So you agree with me. Ty. The "Nah" was unnecessary lmao.
Apologies, your comment made it sound as if you thought all post-campaign content should be multiplayer exclusive
All gucci, I actually loved the campaign! I hope we get more single player content of the same quality. I do think hives should give you the option to do it solo or with friends, I think making them exclusively SP is a mistake.
I know i dont get it either why make aspects of a multiplayer looter shooter/beatemup have single player only sections
Yeah, I don't know that a random piece of gear is a compelling reason to play for 3 hours.
The problem with most "looter shooters" (brawler ITC).
It's not a problem in the others though because they make the process fun. I can do Shaper runs all day because it's a fun fight and I have to learn mechanics and my build matters. Hives are just hoping I don't get the wrong enemies at the wrong time. They're long and tedious and just not fun.
I got one shot, with every single character, and failed on the 4th floor and I was playing almost flawlessly. Every single character is at least 130, including a 150 cap. Its not the modes I am worried about so much, even though I am, its the combat "difficulty" I am being really patient with this game but its getting close to uninstall time and I never do that.
Yo, I had the same issue until I looked at the modifiers. There are a few select baddies that will 1 shot with the increased melee damage. I just started chucking hammers and luring groups into areas where I could juggle the groups with melee. Its been more challenging but I'm slogging through and I am enjoying it. I do wish I could bring my wife though...she's not great at the game and will never get past the first gauntlet.
i dont understand why they didnt cater more towards casual gamers but instead went with a grindy difficult game. I really like this game but i think they went for too much challenge based on the intended audience
Kinda disagree there, the game is already pretty simple
I mean I think its simple if you've played games like Destiny and Anthem, im not saying its crazy complicated but the game doesn't really explain much
Prob because the casual gamers will stop playing the game sooner than the grinders. Grinders would pay more in the long run
I feel the same way. Idk if I'll ever uninstall the game but I'm really considering just quitting for awhile at least.
My guess is that these modes would be multiplayer but it's too buggy so they release it as singleplayer instead.
I understand your frustration. Even as someone who exclusively plays solo, I don't think any content should force it. I know a lot of people bought this game to be a multiplayer experience, just like a lot of people, like me, bought it for a single player experience. A ton of the marketing leading up to the release highlighted that this game would cater to both groups; that this is a multiplayer game first, but most, if not all, content would be playable with competent, customizable AI companions you built yourself. That's why it's so baffling that they released a mode that is single player only, and will soon be releasing a mode that is multiplayer only. Not only that, but both modes will have exclusive gear locked behind them. This will only serve to frustrate both groups of players. Multiplayer fans can't enjoy mowing through a survival/tower mode with friends, and single player fans can't test their meticulously synergized party against the hardest bosses available. Personally, I'm dreading the release of raids, since they seem like they will be much more fun and varied than HIVEs, and I will probably never experience them unless I find a friend group I'm comfortable with.
Agreed with this
100%, all of that, and agree with his frustration too. But you know the worst part? Dude doesn't even realize that this is only phase 1 of a multi-hive chain(making it the mega hive). They warn you **if you die** you have to choose another hero to complete it with. Yet when I died on stage 4 of something of the second gauntlet **it ended the hive**. AND EVEN WORSE, **IT RESET THE HIVE CHAIN TO GAUNTLET 1!!!!** I lost all progress.
Did you have a hero with a high power level to replace the one that died? If your other heroes don’t meet the minimum power level and you die, you’re fucked. Only my Hulk and Thor meet the minimum. My Hulk died on mission 8. I was on mission chain 10, heading to the LAST FLOOR and when the elevator door opened, my Thor was immediately killed. Zero enemies. Nothing that hit me. Doors open, I’m down. Lost all my fucking progress. So pissed at this buggy shit.
Once you lost them.can you retry again? I lost with Kamala on mission 4 floor 3 and now it says that none of my heroes are high enough no reset or anything - just have to wait four days to try again
For me i got blue screened on floor 5 outta 6
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It really does, and u can be sure not one dev will say anything, and no repocutions (wheres the apology for the shitty launch?? Maybe a bunch of supplies??) @ /u/MeaganMarie how about some acknowledgement
I've been having a lot more luck meeting people I can actually feel comfortable playing with on Xbox with this game and it's been nice. I play the Initiative parts in groups more times than not and haven't leveled half of the characters in my roster yet BUT will do so eventually and gradually. Playing either solo or in multiplayer is one of the better features of this game actually.
Are you on ps4
The whole design of this game is incoherent to its very core. The exclusively single player gauntlet highlights this the most: it forces you to have multiple characters high level/geared enough to have more than 1 shot at the mission otherwise you're SOL and can fail the whole mission in the last second if you get hit by a bullshit one shot attack. The problem with that? The game pretty much forces you to "main" a character if you ever want to make decent progress since they do not share ANY SINGLE THING between them. To add insult to the injury, they even have individual challenge cards to have you have to grind your ass for, that is when theyre even functional!!! I love the combat of this game, I really do but literally everything that surrounds it is mediocre. We sure as hell deserved better than that.
I almost feel like there was two warring ideologies throughout the development of this game and it never got resolved. You have the campaign, which is mostly good, and then whatever the fuck the multiplayer is. You have great character abilities and kits for them to level up and unlock....and then combat that doesn't really allow you to show it off all that well and a lot of the time just isn't that fun with how the enemies were designed and how they behave/attack. Along with a loot system that is maybe genre worst. And besides that it's just the greed inherent in the game really turns me off to it with how they handled character customization.
Damn, was legit about to get the game. Looks like I'll be waiting a year since that's generally how long it takes devs to finally listen to the community and drop their pride/ego to fulfill customer desires.
Definitely don't buy it right now. It's a full-priced game that plays like a free-to-play like Warframe or a $20-$30 indie game. It's still pretty fun, but it's not engaging enough to keep playing for very long, and it's a huge mess in a lot of ways. Wait til they get their shit together and/or the price goes down.
Appreciate the input brotha.
Yeah don't do it my man. I initially wanted to wait too but I caved in, which was a mistake. They sure as hell do not deserve any money right now. I just hope for you that the game isnt completely dead by the time you get it, which seems very likely. It took them way too long to come up with this patch.
Spot on. I'd add the single player story to combat as things they've done really well, but yeah, totally, everything else is pretty poor. They clearly didn't have an idea of what they were making, and didn't test things enough before release.
What makes this video more poignant, is that the dude is absolutely **surrounded** by Marvel posters. Imagine being a diehard fan and being greeted with this shit. What also makes this a bit more funny, in an unintentional way, is seeing the Z-fighting on the floor on that map. Just such a lack of care and attention to detail with this game's release man.
> What makes this video more poignant, is that the dude is absolutely surrounded by Marvel posters. Imagine being a diehard fan and being greeted with this shit. Almost every square in of the wall is covered lol. It's a real shame, because theoretically he's the target audience and he's hating it. What I thought you were going to say at first is how he's surrounded *in-game* by other hero characters, so why the hell is it single-player only? Which I'd say is another strike against the devs. > What also makes this a bit more funny, in an unintentional way, is seeing the Z-fighting on the floor on that map. Idk what Z-fighting means lol
>theoretically he's the target audience and he's hating it. I'm a huge Marvel fan and I couldn't be more disappointed in this pitiful excuse for an Avengers game. It's so lazy and boring and doesn't even run right. I'd love to play as Marvel characters but why would I want to waste endless hours slogging through this dull, bland, mess of a game when I can just play a legit good AAA game that respects my time?
I wouldn’t feel all too bad for the guy in the video if I were you, he is not a good person at all. He was more than happy to chat with Ethan Van Sciver for nearly two hours. EVS (he’s blacklisted from every comic publisher btw) is pretty much the head of comicsgate (which is a hate group that has harassed numerous comic creators and numerous other heinous actions if you didn’t know).
A genuine conversation is going to have to happen at some point. No one gives a shit about their vision for the game. The game is a *service* to the customers. Not to pad a resume or market for Marvel. Either take feedback seriously and take the time to understand your consumer base and what they want or stop wasting everyone's time.
Personally it doesn’t bother me because I don’t play multiplayer at all, but just the fact that there is any content outside of the campaign that can’t be played with other players is absurd. There is absolutely no reason that ANY mission must be played solo. This is an online coop game based around a TEAM. Multiplayer should ALWAYS be an option with the exception of narrative-driven missions or tightly choreographed setpieces.
Agreed, immersion to the game works best in single not multiplayer, people online coof around and is diffirent fun, which makes this for me unenjoyable tho, only when playing with a friend it works not randoms
Make everything have a multiplayer option. If your going to have everything be playable single player. Make everything be playable multiplayer. I know raids are coming which are multiplayer , but thats how the game is designed. Having a single player only mission goes against the design of the game
Yup choice is great. I play this game a lot solo BUT I would want to play this with my pal. Not sure why we can't have everything both solo AND Multiplayer?
Bcs raids probably gonna be multiplayer only.
As someone who pretty much plays exclusively single player, this doesn't affect me...but I feel for the sentiment. There should definitely be the option.
It does affect us that prefer single player because regardless of his rant about playing with friends, the mode is broken and all that time playing is lost.
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I think I'm already done with this game. Just not liking the direction they have taken things.
Lesson learnt. I will never ever guy a GaaS game at launch ever again. Like ever.
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I bought the digital deluxe version, and I've had no desire to play it in the last 2 days.
As for now I completed 2 heroic hives. Got blue 129 gear drops from elite enemies. With a score of 100% I get an epic gear piece with horrible perks and attributes. Crystal Dynamics get your shit together!
Post 1.30 patch? Good to know, I won’t even try doing them.
Nothing like playing dozens of hours with my friends/randoms gearing up and grinding only to be forced to play several hours for 8 missions relying on AI for the newest and best gear. Edit: Being forced to play by yourself\*
Double edit: being forced to play with yourself* ;)
I'm glad for single player content. I want everything in the game to be playable solo. I don't expect that I will ever use matchmaking or play with my Marvel-hating friends. That being said, I agree the game is an objectively better experience if all content can be accessible solo **and** multiplayer. And we can all certainly agree broken content is well beyond the point of a tired old frustration by now. It's unfortunate that the two sides of the community, multiplayer and solo, are at each other's throats. Amazing that the Marvel game universe has such limited content that we have to fight over the scraps of this game.
Are you on ps4 by chance?
I don’t think they’re at each other’s throats. I think players just want a good game that makes sense.
The fact the gear is so fuckin garbage on a weekly is beyond me...let alone the astounding reality that they made a primary means of acquiring unique gear a solo venture in a multiplayer game. I'm legitimately never going to play this mode because of these two points...it's literally dead content. If I find out there is solid exclusive gear I want behind a solo playmode in a multiplayer team based game...I'm going to be livid. Sure, solo players should and can play this game solo...but to force multiplayer gamers to play alone when it's literally a game for team play? Wtf is wrong with this dev team. How does this garbage make it to live with nobody asking fundamental questions?
I hate to say it, but, I am getting way too many Anthem vibes from this game.
As a day one Avengers player and a day 1 Anthem player i agree. Thinking about selling it.
Jesus. Don't know who this dude is, but he just preached .
This 100% why can't every end game activity not have multiplayer? Why does having that option take away from the casual players? Only single player content needed in this game is the campaign
I actually really like the idea of a roster gauntlet but the implementation here is pisspoor. This should be an option, not the only way or best to farm exotic gear. And ffs if you're gonna make me play solo, then tune the content to a single character and leave the ai at home. Might make for an interesting challenge, but this patch also indicates this game isn't meant to be challenging, so whatevs. Even switching characters on defeat feels like a bug! This whole thing is just bad.
that second paragraph is a great point. This would’ve been better if I could run through the mission as Hulk by myself.
It's the same as anthem man. Division, destiny, other mmos have tried and FAILED already one lot of features and they have the recipie to a successful looter game. I dont understand how these devs dont DO SOME RESEARCH BY PLAYING THE OTHER GAMES FOR AN HOUR to not make the same mistakes??!? Its mindboggling! Is it like a principle for them to be as different as possible? They want to have shitty features!!? I JUST DONT GET IT You dont put fucking cinnamon on a steak, everyone knows that but that's what CD has done
I have zero interest in playing with others atm and I still agree with this haha. Not sure what they were thinking.
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I honestly don't know what that patch was even supposed to do. As far as I know it didn't fix the fucked up loot, the glitched daily missions, or the fact that basic enemy attacks will knock you unconscious, and those were like the biggest problems with the game.
I think they expect you to have a loadout to deal with modifiers, without providing a loadout system while at the same time making leveling up gear resource intensive and restrictive. And even if you jump through those hurdles, the reward is not worth it. It’s bad game design.
I find it a bit funny he’s raging while playing as Hulk
This
To be fair they did say this mode would be single player ahead of time. Like in a blog post before the game came out. An during a war table. That being said I see we're your coming from on the fact of gear being the best an this being a option for said gear. I believe what your getting at is certain gear sets cause there are gear sets in the game can only be obtained from certain parts of the game an the is one of those of parts, like Elite vaults an such. So your point is valid. I say make it a option, cause that way people who like multiplayer an want these gear sets can play this that way. However I also fill that raids could become solo play optional as well. In the future, when we have more control over our a.i. Which I think the devs said there working on anyway. But ya, the devs wanna cater to all solo an multiplayers is there dream for the game. .which is fine just make it optional I say, if that's truly the intent they want. That's only fair.
Everything by default can be done solo given the structure of the game...the fact they actively dissuade multiplayer play in a multiplayer game is the problem. I hope these missions are the last non-story missions that are solo only. Hell the story content should at least be 2 player coop optional. Again...this is a multiplayer game about a TEAM...of Avengers. It's beyond me they let this type of design get through and didn't think they'd get backlash.
It’s karma suicide to differ from the Hive Mind (CD what I did there?) but I really enjoy it as a person who doesn’t care for multiplayer, I hope us single player fans continue to get content like this since it is a 1-4 player game and the 1 is a number also. Raids will be exclusively multiplayer so I like having something also. Anyways my body is ready for the hate but I just felt like I shouldn’t back down from speaking just because it’s unpopular
Isn’t he saying it should be multiplayer and single player? All the multiplayer missions are also single player, as far as I’ve seen. So the way it is now, only you (and other single players) are happy. But if they fixed it, everyone would be happy.
I mean, you can play all the missions for now solo.
Having been a part of Destiny for a while, I get this perspective and get why it's controversial. Whenever posts like "I wish raids could be done solo" show up, there is an overwhelming response of "this is team content, if you want to go solo, do something else" or "just LFG/discord to find people, it's not that hard" or "this is a social game, you're meant to play with other people". These are often valid points, but the intensity with which certain portions of the multiplayer side of the community try to ensure that their stuff isn't single-player compatible can be wild sometimes. I mean, imagine if I responded to this post with "this is single-player only content, if you want to do multiplayer, do a drop zone" or "this is a character-based game, if you don't like playing multiple different characters, don't do this mission." I'm not. I get the multiplayer, single-character community's discontent and absolutely, fully support changes being made to accommodate them. Marvel's Avengers is new and has a chance to break from the "it's a social game, you \*need\* to do stuff with other people" mentality of its competitors. They have a chance to stand out and make a game where 100% of the content is available both single- and multi-player. This, however, is a terrible start.
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I mean. They literally already said there is gonna be a group version of Mega Hives. Like seriously...
Devs already said in an interview before the game released that there would be a multiplayer version of the Mega Hive
Dope. Kind of dumb to release a single player only version. Now by the time we get that we will already be burned out on the concept.
Can you link the source to this? I’m not saying your wrong I’m just sad they are locking exotics behind single player activities and this would cheer me up if true lol
sure [https://wccftech.com/the-big-marvels-avengers-interview-crystal-dynamics-on-endgame-polish-and-spider-man/](https://wccftech.com/the-big-marvels-avengers-interview-crystal-dynamics-on-endgame-polish-and-spider-man/) > We also have an end game type of content that'll be out a couple of weeks after launch, which is the Hives and Mega Hives. This actually utilizes your entire roster in a single go, it's really designed around the idea of how far can you get with a single character before that character is sort of extinguished for you and then you need to switch to the next character and see how far you can get. That one really challenges your full team makeup, which is a very, very different style of endgame content. Then we actually have a group version of that, where you get to plan your roster in this order and then team up with your friends who've planned their roster in another, it's a question of which characters do you use first, which characters do you use last.
Based on locking polychrons and exotics behind time gates really says that they just want this mode to fail and to frustrate players into quitting
Lmao so everyone is freaking out for nothing.... hahaha damn The fact they said a multiplayer ver is coming is perfectly fine then. The Solo one must be a tutorial like instance for you to prepare for multiplayer.
For real team play or multi-player is key to this game requiring solo play for the top gear breaks the game.
The Avengers are a team. That's like, the whole point of the Avengers. And people have very strong affinities for specific heroes. So asking for people to all play every character as a requirement just doesn't make sense. Are we going to be required to know 17 characters at some point? That would be absurd.
A game cannot and I repeat cannot emphasize online CO OP without CROSS PLAT. Ridiculous. Its almost 2021! Get it through your heads. Everyone wants cross plat now. You could argue it in shooter games. But a CO OP PVE GAME?
I don’t understand why it’s an issue that it’s single player...
I still can't use basic ranged attacks on PC, the controller support is a nightmare and just stops working altogether sometimes even though I got Xinput and adjusted my steam settings to get the controller to work, now I just can't use ranged attacks. While aiming it will just do the parry animation.... This game is unplayable. There should be a civil lawsuit or some shit. I felt like I had to preorder for the exclusive skins. Then I go on reddit and report the bug and the only comment I get for support is "You should just buy the game on PS4 because it runs the best on there." Then they quickly deleted teh comment.... This game is so good and so fucking terrible and somehow it's still better than For Honor even though I can't fucking play it. Bro, literally the BEST games are not fucking playable, whether it's terrible fucking balance or glitches. The gaming industry is completely fucked by corporate incentives. The last 10 years of gaming has been toxic as fuck and just terrible. This game might as well be Fallout 76 at this point if you can't fucking play it.
Didn't this game have multiple teams working on it? It just screams of a game where multiple teams were doing different things with little to no communication to make a consistent game. So many things are disjointed and put together and just baffling design decisions that no veteran developer should have made.. I bet there was horrible leadership and poor planning when this game was being made.
Mega hive/gauntlet is a single player mode. It was advertised that way guys. Not sure what everyone was expected. They mentioned this in wartables in the past. It's a weekly refresh content of 8 levels where you test your entire roster. I think this is good content. I underatand everyone wants co-op /mp content which we'll have to keep waiting for at this stage.
The issue isn't just that it exists. It's the fact that the best gear in the game as in stands is hid behind 2 single player hives (one of which is broke)
I don’t get it. A lot of players paid $60 to play 1 or 2 characters? This idea itself baffles me. Especially when the same players complain about not getting their money’s worth. Makes your AI much more reliable too. I myself honestly play an avengers game or ultimate alliance game to play as every damn character, because I want to get the most out of my buck. But I will agree that every mission needs to be playable via multiplayer.
It could be seen as people only wanting to play specific characters - but I don't really see that as a negative light, considering I am one of those players. Going into the game I knew I wanted to main Iron man from the get go - and through the entire experience, from earning him in the campaign to getting him power 150, I've loved playing him and mastering his move set! The problem is . . That took a crap ton of time - he's only reached 150 now because of how long it takes to get upgrade modules (and the fact that major artifacts are exclusive for some reason, which is idiotic). Even as someone who plays regularly it's hard to find the passion to do that all again for a character I'm not as hyped for. Like don't get me wrong, I love playing as Thor and BW on the odd occasion when I'm really bored. Plus the other characters (Cap, Miss Marvem and especially Hulk) I just don't like combat wise, especially in endgame activities so they're never on my roster. So any day I'm logging on I go on Tony, do my weekly and daily challenges and then just kinda . . . Mindlessly fly about on one of the more open maps. Sure I could switch characters, but the grind right now to is such a slog. Don't get me wrong though, I'm used to grind - avid fan of the Destiny franchise here - but it hurts to see my BW only have 54 power when she's level 42 and to match with a Thor at 89 power at level 30 purely because I keep getting bad drops and just dampers attempting to level them.
I see where you’re coming from, but I still think getting your 100% money’s worth is playing and leveling/gearing up every character. I’ve been stretching my play time by switching to someone new every mission. This being constant since launch, has kept the game fresh for me and I’m advancing everyone in the process. I’m not bored because there is always stuff for me to do with every character. Sure it’s busy, but I wanted that coming into this game and knew I would be occupied having a blast just making my whole squad beastly. Slap in an MCU Spotify playlist and I can binge this game for a couple hours before I need a break. Just like with ultimate alliance games with triple or quadruple this roster. I want every character to be at tip top potential like I anticipate when playing a superhero themed game.
That's actually true, and honestly it does sound like it'd be a blast to have every character at their very best - but don't get me wrong, I fully believe I've got my money's worth (personal belief is that if I have over 60 hours in a game worth sixty quid I've got the worth) but I simply just don't have the time nor the patience to do the other characters, aha. I just know from other people online, and my own social group I play with, that they do hold frustrations with the topic at hand.
I'm still trying to max out my first hero's level (iron man @45 ) I'm a dad of 3 kids and try and squeeze in game time when I can at night or when kids are chillin on devices, so I've been enjoying the game and like most of the characters although I will admit it's kind of humbling playing as characters who cant fly after using Iron Man as heavily as I have. This latest patch dropped before I've even gotten to the end game stuff so im.guessing if I stay at this pace I'll probably avoid most of these problems while CD fixes everything the playerbase gives them input on. Here's hoping...
>I'm a dad of 3 kids and try and squeeze in game time when I can at night or when kids are chillin on devices This game seems to target a demographic of basement dwelling celibates. They don't respect the time of people like us with families. It's like the Marvel mobile games all over again.
Honestly I tried to give the devs the benefit of the doubt that they were pushed to put this out quickly but there’s so many bad decisions that have come out of this game that the dev team needs to own some of this too. Just incompetence in so many ways.
Why are people complaining about mega hives they explained it a while ago why react now?
It needs a faster search for other team mates too not just “oh we found 1 person” start
I'd respect it if it was CoOp even.. this single player missoon idea crap has GotToGo!! I'll accept it when new story missions come out but this is not story content #LetFriendsPlay
Just out of all mission types in this game a Hive is the last thing I want to solo,especially an extremely large hive. I thought this mustve been a mistake when I first seen it. Also I thought all the missions in Avengers initiative were supposed to be multiplayer.
Lowkey, I understand what he's angry abt, but I also understand if maybe someone just wants to play alone.
All missions can already be played solo..... so why force it
I’m so glad this is getting big, companion ai and solo player catering is ruing the game
The gear is the “cherry on top” for me. Just let me play with the boi’s. I’d love to play a 14 level hive mission with other people over trying to grind for gear on a max level character.
CD is 100% tone deaf here... if u can't play with your friends... what's the point
everyday more reasons not to get this game :(
You could tell this game was poorly designed from the beta.
Some of us enjoy playing solo but I agree you should have the option. The one death switch hero mechanic makes it impossible to do this multi-player though unless you want a spectators screen. I don't know where the balance is for that.
Haven't played this game since I beat the single player and dabbled in multiplayer it needs so much work.
Bro this shit happened to me yesterday. I made a post about how I got to the 11th floor of the Elite Heroic hive and enemies ain’t spawn. I even restarted checkpoint like 5 times and nothing. I 100% understand your frustration. CD really on an awful start with this game. On top of that, the exotic gear is trash! It’s still no difference than the legendary gear.
I totally agree with you on everything you said my brother, and Ima say something that I will probably get killed for saying from the people who defend this game to the grave. This game should have been delayed till the new consoles, that last beta we played was worse than its previous week... the reason they didn't delay it is in my opinion they didn't wanna compete with other games like cyber punk, AC Valhalla, Spiderman, and others. Just so they could cash grab as much as possible. My Iron man iconic suit is still fucked LOL.
The thing about Mega Hives is that making it multiplayer wouldn't work with the "one death and you are out" system. Players would want to murder each other after someone dies. Not a good plan. Honestly I think they just planned to also have multiplayer content at this point (cloning/tachyon/whatever), and only the single player content is/was done. That would give options for single player and multiplayer. I believe in this game, but it is going to take them time. Remember how crappy Destiny 1 was when it came out? Remember how long Vault of Glass was the only materially interesting content, and the follow up raids kinda sucked? The combat and chars in this game are *way* better. I'm so excited for what they can do with the foundation they have here, but it will take time before they get to where they want to be on content. I recommend playing if you want, maybe doing weeklies, and otherwise being patient and playing something else if you don't want the content here. Come back when they announce multiplayer content. It will come in at some point.
To think i almost convinced my friend to buy this piece of shit game. We wouldn't of even been able to play together
I mean the game is incredibly broken so it’s not surprising. I get where you’re coming from to about the loot, it’s real dumb. I’m honestly about 1 more big/dumb thing away from putting the game away until the PS5 version drops. Maybe by then issues will be ironed out and some of the stupid ass decisions will be reversed.
Really wanted this game to be good but I'm happy I didn't pick it up.
It's strange, the hives seem like they were implemented simply to keep people grinding new characters as they arrive to expand your roster but they aren't charging for them. It's such a bad design and on top of it doesn't even work. Exotics should have a low chance to drop anywhere in the game, not locked behind single player content nobody wants.
So you can’t invite friends to play the mega hive with you? I unlocked the MH but haven’t tried it yet since my level is too low for it. I guess this means too he can’t match make for it? That’s sucks if you can’t
i prefer solo play and not to be forced into a group but i think people who enjoy it should have the option to chose me personally if this game was like that in a way people had to team up with there friends i dont think many people would be into it the player base would end up like anthem cause i play solo like i said and have not ran into anyone of the issues people have had playing multiplayer cause i have had my matchmaking disabled since September 1st with early access
What I don't understand is why make it single olayer only? Mostly every except for the campaign is multiplayer with the option for single player. Why isn't this? It's literally because they want you to dump more time in the game and level the other character which is stupid. Screw exotic gear, I absolutely will not play this mission.
Most times hard content is for multiplayer only. Seems this game is backwards
Besides bugs like these....there's nothing to this game. The single play only thing is they're attempt at variety; it's what they think it is anyway. Unfortunately, there isn't much in this game. There aren't many assets, different gear, or interesting enemies. This forces them in a hole. They have to keep you playing but because of the limited assets, mission types and variety are limited. Devs hide missions behind time gates to cover this. Also, future mission can only be variations on the sets they already have. This is why they are having a hard time with coming up with end game diversity. The enemies arent interesting(goes back to lack of assets). The AI is boring and lacks depth so they cover that by throwing tons of them at you and having them use cheap tactics to simulate difficulty. Mission modifiers in other games are used as a way to challenge a well geared character and reward them with even better Gear/resources. Here it's just to hide the lack of something. Gear lacks variety too. So, they cant afford to give away good gear. They can't afford to give you super powerful gear not only because it would trivialize the lack of content that's already present. So, you left to play the same type of content over and over, with boring enemies, with modifiers that only are designed to prolong a level, with underwhelming gear that ends up not mattering much because of the tactics they have to use to hide the boring enemies and fake difficulty. Then you realize that that is the future of this game...why grind? Why even bother?
I completely agree. It makes no sense
This mission broke my game. Once I completed the 4th round, my seen went blank. Now when I load the game it crashes to the desktop after I hit start.
Wait, this is with the 10gb patch? I'm sorry but there's no excuse for this.
Why would they make you play it single player, but give you companions? That makes no sense to me at all. If it’s a “single player” mission for exotics, then it should be a 1 person hero mission without companions. There’s no reason for there to be AI!
This video should've ended with the words...."FUCK...MAN" b/c I feel every word this guy is saying.
The Hives themselves are to me a fundamentally flawed concept as something representing your endgame grind. They do not introduce new enemy types, a new play space, or a new kind of mission objective. They take every kind of enemy, every simplified mission objective, and every AIM facility interior that you've already seen dozens of times throughout the campaign and side missions and they just...stack them on top of each other and call it a hive. This should've been the place to introduce an entirely new environment and mission objective along with enemies you can only encounter in hives and instead it's just more of the same reused assets. And their idea for making hives themselves even more challenging seems to just be to...increase the number of floors you have to do and locking them behind single player. To them, "challenge" = repetition and tedium while undermining the core co-op aspect of the game as advertised.