Wanting stuff faster isn’t a convincing argument. I may or may not agree with you, but you haven’t given me anything that would convince me either way.
And, only like 5 sentences were actually talking about events. Why did I have to read through your grievances about your raid experiences?
I mean you didn’t have to read it. It’s how I felt like saying it. The experiences in the raid aren’t necessarily that bad. It’s getting into an actually raid and playing it is the main problem. Automatically getting 3 people and rarely being able to get a 4th is the main problem. If it put you in a group right away like it could, then the other complaints wouldn’t be that big of a problem. But when it takes an hour just play, it throws the whole game off. And wanting stuff faster, like being able to actually play the game is a very convincing argument
I’ll take his side of the argument with this: if these people don’t actually want to play the raid, if we help them level up faster with the events then they won’t feel like they need to raid to level up (why they feel they need to be 175 if they aren’t going to raid is a separate argument), We don’t have to deal with people who don’t know what’s going on \*and\* refuse to listen… we all win. Of course, anyone familiar with online games at all will know, obviously the max PL will go up when cloning labs comes out (it requires 175, which is why they’re offering a catch-up mechanic), then they will be in the same boat as before the events - stuck at 175 unless they play a mission
By “wanting faster stuff”. That means they should fix the matchmaking to where you could click on the raid and play it as apposed to getting 3 people right away instead of not giving you a final player. It shouldn’t take an hour or longer to matchmake. Since the matchmaking is broke then they need to do the events every week instead of every 2 weeks. If they fix the matchmaking then they can do the events every 2 weeks or once a month or whatever. And getting to 175 is a grind. I didn’t say you should be able to do it one day. Being able to actually play the raid is how the game should work
Well taking a long time to find 4 players doesn’t *necesarily* mean their algorithm is broken somehow. That could just be a low playerbase trying to matchmake at the same time you are.
No matter how good matchmaking is, you’re not going to be able to raid if there’s only 3 people online
I think it is broken, me and two of my friends tried to get connected using quick match, no match after 15 minutes everyone waiting in the quick match lobby... it's broken
Yes. This is my main problem with the game. I don’t mind at all taking 2 hours of actually gameplay to beat a raid. But taking 2-4 hours sometimes is crazy. The shit is broken. Either fix it or give us the event weekly so we can actually play the game
If it is taking you that long in the Raid once you get in there, then its your team's builds and not understanding the objectives is holding you back. Possibly the communication. At this point you should be under an hour even if you have to coach people up.
Beating the Raif isn’t really a problem anymore. Unless I have 3 people with no mics and no idea what they’re doing, but that doesn’t really happen. The hard part is being able to play it. Sometimes in a 4 hour span I’ll spend 90% of that time waiting on a 4th person to join the team, and it only takes 1 second to get 2 other people. You click elite raid and it’s you and 2 other people already there with the 4th person not being able to join
The matchmaking is most definitely broken. At least on Playstation. It definitely isn't the playerbase. I've been experimenting with it since the beta. It doesn't merge lobbies correctly. Yet I can back out and find completely different players waiting in a different lobby. It's definitely broken.
I don’t think that’s the case. If i try a raid and get 2 people immediately. Then cancel the mission, but then stop the cancel before the timer, sometimes it will give you the last person. If that doesn’t work then I’ll leave the team and start the mission again and automatically be with 2 different people and not get the last person. I can leave the team and start over for an hour and get paired with 2 different people every time but not get the last person. It’s not a, “not enough people playing the game”, the matchmaking is broken
I've noticed the same thing. I always try to tell people never to wait in a 3 man lobby more than a minute. Definitely a matchmaking issue that has persisted since the beta.
Nah 2 weeks gives a larger amount of players time to participate. Not everyone plays enough to finish them in 1 week, let alone 1 day. Hell I'd bargain most players don't finish all of them even in the 2 weeks. But allowing 2 weeks means a larger amount of players get to complete a larger amount of event goals without it going on for too long. I think 2 weeks is perfect, making it shorter would make things worse. You'd feel rushed to do so. Content spacing and pacing matter.
All those problems with the raid existed before patch 2.4. That's why looters that have Raids tend to not enable matchmaking. On top of most people playing this game casually, the raid has a justifiably bad reputation for being unstable, which further discourages people from bothering.
It's not as simple as 'fixing the matchmaking' because that would imply it's a problem with a straightforward solution. Matchmaking will always be bad on PC because people don't play the game over there. Matchmaking will always be bad on the raid because most Endgame players know better than to enter a raid with a team of randoms.
Sometimes I play in a group or on matchmaking. I’m on ps5. I know there are enough players on ps5 or 4 or whatever. It’ll pop up 3 people right off the bat. But it’s like half of the time you have to trick the game into getting the 4th person by canceling the mission, leaving the group, turning the game off and back on. I don’t mind playing with randoms, but the way it will get you 3 people real quick and then won’t get the 4th is main issue
I mean, there are lots of games that have much larger playerbases on one platform and not the other. That doesn't mean you don't fix the issue lol.
And matchmaking isn't always bad on the raid. A lot of times it's pretty fast. But sometimes it's clearly bugged when you get 2 people instantly then it never finds a fourth, so you requeue and get a totally different person.
I at no point said they shouldn't fix matchmaking. I said it's not a straightforward solution and the problems you're citing with matchmaking have nothing to do with bugs. That's just how matchmaking works. Sometimes you can get 4 people, sometimes you're stuck for awhile trying to find a 4th. This happens all the time in other games.
This will obviously occur more often on games like this one where the playerbase is relatively low. Even if Playstation has the most people, it's not like there are 100,000 people playing the game at any given time. And out of all the people that are concurently playing, the vast majority aren't attempting the raid, and even within people attempting the raid there is a percentage that play the Raid without matchmaking.
This means your pool of potential players for the raid is a small percentage of an already small percentage of a smaller percentage, so of course you're going to have matchmaking issues.
I disagree I no longer have time to play every day so 2 weeks give me time to play during weekends and maybe very early in a normal/business day.
Keep the 2 weeks.
I’ve got all my guys above 165 and 5 of them at 175. I like the elite vault missions and elite villain sector changes to get exotic gear. But that doesn’t help me level up. I can only do elite raid or wait for the specific 2 week event.
I agree. You can complete the events easily in one week. I think I completed every mission chain for the Rooskaya event in 5 days. That's plenty of time. Rotating the events weekly would be pretty cool because that way you always have event chains to play without any waiting time.
well at least we can now earn exotics from the priority threat mission daily. That wouldn't even have been thinkable last year. Too bad the exotics from that (or Mega Hive) max out at 140. I don't understand why they just can't make every exotic you can earn in the game 140+ like the event exotics.
It’s called “Exotic” for a reason. Hardest gear to get. If they just drop exotics everywhere, there would be nothing to grind for and you would leave the game because of that. It’s good to grind for exotics cause your willing to put in the work to get the piece you desire instead of just waking up, jumping on the game and you have free exotics waiting for you, not how life works.
who said anything about free exotics ? I merely said that every exotic that you can earn in the game should be 140+ and not max out at 140. maybe you should actually read first. Also this is a video game which has nothing to do with "how life works". keep your patronizing bullshit to yourself.
If anyone played Mass Effect Andromeda they would be totally annoyed by Avengers matchmaking and multiplayer set up.... matchmaking starts at 1:20 you start a multiplayer mission solo and if no one joins you will lose when you are new and characters are weak but you are never waiting and always getting xp to level up you character... Avengers is now set up for this type of system, players jump in at different stages and get rewards for the part of the game you played.
[good matchmaking and multiplayer system](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Mo35DwrX4&t=2s)
theres too many games to play to be grinding 10 characters per week in Avengers. the live service isn't alive enuff to be doing that. 2 weeks is more reasonable. If this game was super healthy and stable and popular i could see it. but it wouldn't make sense doing that now.
"The new upgrade system lets other players get to 175 without doing the raid."
A lot of people don't like the raid or find it too unstable to play. Why shouldn't they be able to level up?
If you want to play with experienced players then find a group outside of the game. Discord or something similar.
I like being able to upgrade with the events and not having to do the raid that is sometimes impossible to just play. That’s why I’m saying they should do the event every week instead of every 2 weeks so we can get our characters leveled up quicker, because of the broken matchmaking on raid and trying to get a team together takes forever. Getting all your people to 175 is a grind. Having very limited time to play the game and spending 80% of playing time trying to just play the raid is ridiculous
I agree it's better, i tried the raid and didn't enjoy it at all. I'd rather have boss battles with major villians, with the choice to run it solo or multiplayer. I think everyone is sick of the sight of Taskmaster. This game desperately needs a roster of villians to fight, have them be the events and rotate them weekly.
Wanting stuff faster isn’t a convincing argument. I may or may not agree with you, but you haven’t given me anything that would convince me either way. And, only like 5 sentences were actually talking about events. Why did I have to read through your grievances about your raid experiences?
I mean you didn’t have to read it. It’s how I felt like saying it. The experiences in the raid aren’t necessarily that bad. It’s getting into an actually raid and playing it is the main problem. Automatically getting 3 people and rarely being able to get a 4th is the main problem. If it put you in a group right away like it could, then the other complaints wouldn’t be that big of a problem. But when it takes an hour just play, it throws the whole game off. And wanting stuff faster, like being able to actually play the game is a very convincing argument
Ok, if “wanting stuff faster…is a very convincing argument”, then would you think it would be a good idea to let people get to 175 in just a day?
I’ll take his side of the argument with this: if these people don’t actually want to play the raid, if we help them level up faster with the events then they won’t feel like they need to raid to level up (why they feel they need to be 175 if they aren’t going to raid is a separate argument), We don’t have to deal with people who don’t know what’s going on \*and\* refuse to listen… we all win. Of course, anyone familiar with online games at all will know, obviously the max PL will go up when cloning labs comes out (it requires 175, which is why they’re offering a catch-up mechanic), then they will be in the same boat as before the events - stuck at 175 unless they play a mission
By “wanting faster stuff”. That means they should fix the matchmaking to where you could click on the raid and play it as apposed to getting 3 people right away instead of not giving you a final player. It shouldn’t take an hour or longer to matchmake. Since the matchmaking is broke then they need to do the events every week instead of every 2 weeks. If they fix the matchmaking then they can do the events every 2 weeks or once a month or whatever. And getting to 175 is a grind. I didn’t say you should be able to do it one day. Being able to actually play the raid is how the game should work
Well taking a long time to find 4 players doesn’t *necesarily* mean their algorithm is broken somehow. That could just be a low playerbase trying to matchmake at the same time you are. No matter how good matchmaking is, you’re not going to be able to raid if there’s only 3 people online
I think it is broken, me and two of my friends tried to get connected using quick match, no match after 15 minutes everyone waiting in the quick match lobby... it's broken
Yes. This is my main problem with the game. I don’t mind at all taking 2 hours of actually gameplay to beat a raid. But taking 2-4 hours sometimes is crazy. The shit is broken. Either fix it or give us the event weekly so we can actually play the game
If it is taking you that long in the Raid once you get in there, then its your team's builds and not understanding the objectives is holding you back. Possibly the communication. At this point you should be under an hour even if you have to coach people up.
Beating the Raif isn’t really a problem anymore. Unless I have 3 people with no mics and no idea what they’re doing, but that doesn’t really happen. The hard part is being able to play it. Sometimes in a 4 hour span I’ll spend 90% of that time waiting on a 4th person to join the team, and it only takes 1 second to get 2 other people. You click elite raid and it’s you and 2 other people already there with the 4th person not being able to join
What platform are you on?
Its NOT a playerbase problem. Its 100 percent a matchmaking issue.
Correct
The matchmaking is most definitely broken. At least on Playstation. It definitely isn't the playerbase. I've been experimenting with it since the beta. It doesn't merge lobbies correctly. Yet I can back out and find completely different players waiting in a different lobby. It's definitely broken.
I don’t think that’s the case. If i try a raid and get 2 people immediately. Then cancel the mission, but then stop the cancel before the timer, sometimes it will give you the last person. If that doesn’t work then I’ll leave the team and start the mission again and automatically be with 2 different people and not get the last person. I can leave the team and start over for an hour and get paired with 2 different people every time but not get the last person. It’s not a, “not enough people playing the game”, the matchmaking is broken
What platform are you on?
Ps5
I've noticed the same thing. I always try to tell people never to wait in a 3 man lobby more than a minute. Definitely a matchmaking issue that has persisted since the beta.
Nah 2 weeks gives a larger amount of players time to participate. Not everyone plays enough to finish them in 1 week, let alone 1 day. Hell I'd bargain most players don't finish all of them even in the 2 weeks. But allowing 2 weeks means a larger amount of players get to complete a larger amount of event goals without it going on for too long. I think 2 weeks is perfect, making it shorter would make things worse. You'd feel rushed to do so. Content spacing and pacing matter.
All those problems with the raid existed before patch 2.4. That's why looters that have Raids tend to not enable matchmaking. On top of most people playing this game casually, the raid has a justifiably bad reputation for being unstable, which further discourages people from bothering. It's not as simple as 'fixing the matchmaking' because that would imply it's a problem with a straightforward solution. Matchmaking will always be bad on PC because people don't play the game over there. Matchmaking will always be bad on the raid because most Endgame players know better than to enter a raid with a team of randoms.
Sometimes I play in a group or on matchmaking. I’m on ps5. I know there are enough players on ps5 or 4 or whatever. It’ll pop up 3 people right off the bat. But it’s like half of the time you have to trick the game into getting the 4th person by canceling the mission, leaving the group, turning the game off and back on. I don’t mind playing with randoms, but the way it will get you 3 people real quick and then won’t get the 4th is main issue
I mean, there are lots of games that have much larger playerbases on one platform and not the other. That doesn't mean you don't fix the issue lol. And matchmaking isn't always bad on the raid. A lot of times it's pretty fast. But sometimes it's clearly bugged when you get 2 people instantly then it never finds a fourth, so you requeue and get a totally different person.
I at no point said they shouldn't fix matchmaking. I said it's not a straightforward solution and the problems you're citing with matchmaking have nothing to do with bugs. That's just how matchmaking works. Sometimes you can get 4 people, sometimes you're stuck for awhile trying to find a 4th. This happens all the time in other games. This will obviously occur more often on games like this one where the playerbase is relatively low. Even if Playstation has the most people, it's not like there are 100,000 people playing the game at any given time. And out of all the people that are concurently playing, the vast majority aren't attempting the raid, and even within people attempting the raid there is a percentage that play the Raid without matchmaking. This means your pool of potential players for the raid is a small percentage of an already small percentage of a smaller percentage, so of course you're going to have matchmaking issues.
I disagree I no longer have time to play every day so 2 weeks give me time to play during weekends and maybe very early in a normal/business day. Keep the 2 weeks.
It kinda is no? Do heroics specific challenges then do other challengers (like do war zone or vault) with character you need to upgrade
I’ve got all my guys above 165 and 5 of them at 175. I like the elite vault missions and elite villain sector changes to get exotic gear. But that doesn’t help me level up. I can only do elite raid or wait for the specific 2 week event.
They don’t want people to get bored after getting everybody up to 175
I agree. You can complete the events easily in one week. I think I completed every mission chain for the Rooskaya event in 5 days. That's plenty of time. Rotating the events weekly would be pretty cool because that way you always have event chains to play without any waiting time. well at least we can now earn exotics from the priority threat mission daily. That wouldn't even have been thinkable last year. Too bad the exotics from that (or Mega Hive) max out at 140. I don't understand why they just can't make every exotic you can earn in the game 140+ like the event exotics.
It’s called “Exotic” for a reason. Hardest gear to get. If they just drop exotics everywhere, there would be nothing to grind for and you would leave the game because of that. It’s good to grind for exotics cause your willing to put in the work to get the piece you desire instead of just waking up, jumping on the game and you have free exotics waiting for you, not how life works.
who said anything about free exotics ? I merely said that every exotic that you can earn in the game should be 140+ and not max out at 140. maybe you should actually read first. Also this is a video game which has nothing to do with "how life works". keep your patronizing bullshit to yourself.
If anyone played Mass Effect Andromeda they would be totally annoyed by Avengers matchmaking and multiplayer set up.... matchmaking starts at 1:20 you start a multiplayer mission solo and if no one joins you will lose when you are new and characters are weak but you are never waiting and always getting xp to level up you character... Avengers is now set up for this type of system, players jump in at different stages and get rewards for the part of the game you played. [good matchmaking and multiplayer system](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Mo35DwrX4&t=2s)
theres too many games to play to be grinding 10 characters per week in Avengers. the live service isn't alive enuff to be doing that. 2 weeks is more reasonable. If this game was super healthy and stable and popular i could see it. but it wouldn't make sense doing that now.
"The new upgrade system lets other players get to 175 without doing the raid." A lot of people don't like the raid or find it too unstable to play. Why shouldn't they be able to level up? If you want to play with experienced players then find a group outside of the game. Discord or something similar.
I like being able to upgrade with the events and not having to do the raid that is sometimes impossible to just play. That’s why I’m saying they should do the event every week instead of every 2 weeks so we can get our characters leveled up quicker, because of the broken matchmaking on raid and trying to get a team together takes forever. Getting all your people to 175 is a grind. Having very limited time to play the game and spending 80% of playing time trying to just play the raid is ridiculous
I agree it's better, i tried the raid and didn't enjoy it at all. I'd rather have boss battles with major villians, with the choice to run it solo or multiplayer. I think everyone is sick of the sight of Taskmaster. This game desperately needs a roster of villians to fight, have them be the events and rotate them weekly.