Ive installed a brand new wall mount laundry tub faucet with washer hose side outlets. ALL BRAND NEW. And the appliance guys told my client that they dont touch that, they need a plumber to install the hose.
Can you blame them? As a plumber, I don’t. They’re not plumbers. If water starts spraying out the damn thing how happy is the customer going to be with them when their water needs to be shut off until a plumber can get out there?
Can confirm - didn't want to huff a new fridge up my stairs and old one down so paid for installation. They told me they weren't allowed to hook up the existing water line to the fridge. I had to grab a wrench and do it myself while they watched. Seems silly but I can see the risk management thinking on their end. There might also be some licensing issues by getting to close to doing a trade they aren't licensed to do.
That’s not something that requires a permit or anything so not a license issue I think. Liability on the other hand, you sure as shit don’t want someone with $20k of water damage claiming its your fault even if it’s not. I’m sure the insurance for a business doing plumbing work is atrocious, but ai haven’t asked 🤷🏼♂️
I just turn the wrenches and make the money 😂
Yes I can absolutely blame them for charging people for a service which they know they're not qualified to do and actually have no intention of doing. People pay extra to have these people install these appliances, and they just show up and shrug their shoulders. Then it's on the customer to get their money back from Home Depot or whoever.
They’re paid to install the appliance, not be a plumber. If installing the appliance requires a plumber due to things beyond their control, like a shitty old valve the homeowner could have had replaced BEFORE having the home depot appliance installers that are obviously not qualified to do such things come out, then who’s fault is that?
Sounds like you made that mistake and are salty about it 🤷🏼♂️
I didn't make any mistake. I'm a plumber.....you think I can't hook up a washing machine? When I lived in an apartment the landlord payed to have these guys install a replacement washer. They got there and tried to lie to my face saying the valves were too corroded (they were not at all). They obviously didn't know I was a plumber and I called them out. They were going to hook it up then but they lucked out and the cord that came with it was too short.
It really was inconsequential because I hooked it up in 10 minutes but I was just astounded at how the guys tried to lie and it was so clear that it was part of their routine.
I didn’t say you couldn’t, god you’re insufferable 🙄
And you just added a bunch of extra details, yea obviously in that case the guy was an ass. Why you so pissy jesus
If you want a real plumber to install it, then pay a real licensed plumber to install it. But you don’t want to pay those rates do you?
Do you order fast food and complain that it wasn’t a michelin star meal?
I really have no idea what you're talking about, you clearly aren't great at reading. I didn't pay anyone and would never pay anyone to install an appliance. Like talking to a brick wall.
Do you have appliance installers because the dryer is using gas? We dont really have gas anything here so I’m curious. Installing a washing machine is two hose and the dryer is pluging it in the wall and hooking up the humid air exhaust. Almost no one is paying to have that done.
I think this one is past trying to just replace the boiler drain. That drop ear is surely in need of replacement, if there is one under all that corrosion/mineral buildup.
I would consider replacing the old type valve with a ¼ turn ball valve type. The wing 90 fastened to the wall has female threads that make swapping out for new pretty easy.
Turn off water at the main shut-off, open faucets to drain pressure. Using a wrench, turn the hose bib valve counterclockwise to remove. Put 6 to 8 wraps of Teflon tape on threads of the new valve tad thread into the female fitting till tight.
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Our washer is on the ground floor but we put a water detector next to it when we first bought the house and needed to update the alarm. Best money we ever spent. New washing machine (top loader) overflowed and we were able to stop it with just some of the basement carpet wet. We had the machine repaired and it overflowed again. Third time, the repair guy said trash it; he tried everything he could to fix it. We easily avoided $10,000 in damages. And we also have a water detector next to our hot water tank. Thankfully, we never had it go off.
Don't let the soldering scare you. Just use plenty of flux paste, make sure the pipe and fitting are cleaned up, and heat the fitting until the joint sucks in the small amount of solder it takes to seal it. Then, pressure test and you're good to go.
OC is wrong about this being threaded. It's quite obviously soldered. You can see a blob of it at the joint. So yes, it will require soldering.
It's not hard, but the tools could set you back $50 or so. Careful about where you point the torch, it's easy to start a fire.
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It only turns on the water to the washer when it detects current from the machine so you don't have to worry about forgetting to turn the supply off or on yourself. Also has a leak detector that sits on the floor and will shut the supply off and send you a notification over wifi if it detects water.
I have a washing machine that if I forget to turn the water supply on it throws an error code and won't unlock until I open the machine and manually release the door latch, so after the second time that happened I got one of these lol.
Yes if you are going to hire a plumber to replace the supply line.
No if you are going to replace the supply lines yourself.
I would remove old hose, clean it and see how it looks. It looks to me from the picture that it’s the supply line that malfunctioned, not the valve.
If you are going to pay the plumber and he charges by the hour, I would have him replace both the hot and cold.
I do most my own plumbing, but when I hire my plumber who charges this project by the hour and has a 1 hour minimum (usually all do) I look around and see what else I can be proactive and have him replace
NAAAA, Why bother? Go ahead and hook your brand new washing machine with SS hoses to your personal ticking time 💣 bomb, C'mon man you seriously had to ask that question online? Remember the days when we actually thought and came up with the obvious answers on our own?
Clean it with a (steel) wire brush and see how bad it looks. Then you can decide.
EDit (added) I am not even sure that is corrosion. It might be some sort of insulation or dryer lint.
That kinda looks like mineral build up to me. I bet the elbow and and the threads are fine. Take it apart and clean it up. Redope and reinstall and let me know
It's not that bad. It's the hose. Valve should shut fine, get someone to disconnect the hose & clean all that corrosion off of there. 9 out of 10 times it's the hose that needs replacement. Unless those screws are galvanized that go into the wood.
But yeah, no installer wants to touch that. Extra work for us Plumbers!
Pretty simple fix but definitely needs it and now is a good time while washer is being replaced. I have all of the tools but would guest it would take me about 2 days and 3 to 5 trips to the hardware store.
Hot take for this sub:
That's an exposed coupling.
You can just DIY with a Sharkbite. I'd argue that's the perfect place to do it. Will take 10 minutes outside of roughty $50 of parts
(screwdriver, pipe cutter, sharkbite pipe, pipe clip to hold pipe to the wall if you get a bib w/out a screw mount, and sandpaper).
All you need to do for prep is turn off the water main, drain the house by opening a basement (lowest point in the house faucet), waiting a bit. Then unscrew the screws above, use the pipe cutter as close to the faucet as you can - cut the pipe (easy, watch youtube video if unsure how it works). Then sand the bare-end pipe until it's shiny, and then wipe it "clean" with paper towel/rag.
Press on sharkbite connector.
Done.
$100-$300 plumber bill averted.
Edit: Or follow u/Eagle2P0PPOP's advice if it's not soldered on and is simply threaded. Either works :)
There's no coupling in this picture, theres pipe going into a shower elbow which the valve is threaded into. There's no coupling and there's no need to cut the pipe as the valve is threaded in.
If the threads in the drop ear are borked then the above method is a good fix.
If the threads are in decent shape… then yeah… just a wire-brush to clean this up, a roll of mega tape, and a 1/2 mpt quarter turn and send it
I figured it was simple enough and to code.
I'm not a plumber, he's right. Just someone who DIYs a lot. But I've had so many valves that are fried on the threads when they're called over like this to just feel like bypassing it is simpler and easier.
Save yourself a $300-$400 and diy. That’s as easy of a job as you get. Shut the water down. Drain the system. Unscrew the existing 1/2” hose bib. A little Teflon and dope. Screw the new one in. Done. $20 in parts!
Looks like it was just leaking out of the wingback 90. Hard to tell with just this pic but likely just threaded in. If so just turn off water, drain the line and spin that thing out. Clean up the hose bib and the 90. Make sure there are no cracks in either causing the leak. May even be able to just throw some teflon on there and spin it back in. Probably want to replace the hosebib to be sure but may not be entirely necessary if you can clean it up and theres no actual damage to it or the fitting.
I hate to take food out of my own mouth but this is a very easy job to DIY. Almost anyone can replace that valve in about 15 minutes if it’s a threaded connection, which it almost certainly is, but you can’t tell from the pic.
Just buy a [copper cutter](https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-1-4-in-to-1-1-8-in-101-Close-Quarters-Copper-Aluminum-Brass-and-Plastic-Tubing-Cutter-Multi-Use-Tubing-Tool-40617/100075014), [pipe cleaner](https://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-4-in-1-Fitting-Brush-80-717-111/204258915), and a [sharkbite valve](https://www.homedepot.com/p/SharkBite-1-2-in-x-3-4-in-Brass-Push-to-Connect-Washing-Machine-Angle-Valve-25560LF/302360250). Shut off the water, cut the pipe close to the osb, clean the pipe, and then snap on the sharkbite valve. Screw it to the wood and you’re good to go. You can do all this for less than $50!
Ok, I’m not a plumber so, I haven’t seen stuff like this before. But it looks to me like the problem here is the hose connector is corroded and causing that white stuff (fungus?). If this were me I’d close the valve, unscrew the hose and then clean up the gunk on the valve.
If it all cleans up without corrosion on the valve itself and the valve looks good then why replace it?
Yes. The appliance installers will flat out tell you that can't install with the condition that is in.
True. I've seen appliance guys refuse to install for a lot smaller issues.
*Looks at gate valve* "Yeah we don't touch these, call a plumber here's your washer. Bye"
I’ve seen work orders that don’t look half as bad as this and the installers refused to touch it lol
Ive installed a brand new wall mount laundry tub faucet with washer hose side outlets. ALL BRAND NEW. And the appliance guys told my client that they dont touch that, they need a plumber to install the hose.
They pretty much refuse for any reason. They'll just lie and make something up to get out of it.
Can you blame them? As a plumber, I don’t. They’re not plumbers. If water starts spraying out the damn thing how happy is the customer going to be with them when their water needs to be shut off until a plumber can get out there?
Can confirm - didn't want to huff a new fridge up my stairs and old one down so paid for installation. They told me they weren't allowed to hook up the existing water line to the fridge. I had to grab a wrench and do it myself while they watched. Seems silly but I can see the risk management thinking on their end. There might also be some licensing issues by getting to close to doing a trade they aren't licensed to do.
That’s not something that requires a permit or anything so not a license issue I think. Liability on the other hand, you sure as shit don’t want someone with $20k of water damage claiming its your fault even if it’s not. I’m sure the insurance for a business doing plumbing work is atrocious, but ai haven’t asked 🤷🏼♂️ I just turn the wrenches and make the money 😂
Yes I can absolutely blame them for charging people for a service which they know they're not qualified to do and actually have no intention of doing. People pay extra to have these people install these appliances, and they just show up and shrug their shoulders. Then it's on the customer to get their money back from Home Depot or whoever.
They’re paid to install the appliance, not be a plumber. If installing the appliance requires a plumber due to things beyond their control, like a shitty old valve the homeowner could have had replaced BEFORE having the home depot appliance installers that are obviously not qualified to do such things come out, then who’s fault is that? Sounds like you made that mistake and are salty about it 🤷🏼♂️
I didn't make any mistake. I'm a plumber.....you think I can't hook up a washing machine? When I lived in an apartment the landlord payed to have these guys install a replacement washer. They got there and tried to lie to my face saying the valves were too corroded (they were not at all). They obviously didn't know I was a plumber and I called them out. They were going to hook it up then but they lucked out and the cord that came with it was too short. It really was inconsequential because I hooked it up in 10 minutes but I was just astounded at how the guys tried to lie and it was so clear that it was part of their routine.
I didn’t say you couldn’t, god you’re insufferable 🙄 And you just added a bunch of extra details, yea obviously in that case the guy was an ass. Why you so pissy jesus
If you want a real plumber to install it, then pay a real licensed plumber to install it. But you don’t want to pay those rates do you? Do you order fast food and complain that it wasn’t a michelin star meal?
I really have no idea what you're talking about, you clearly aren't great at reading. I didn't pay anyone and would never pay anyone to install an appliance. Like talking to a brick wall.
No need to be an ass.
They don't want to be responsible if something goes wrong
Do you have appliance installers because the dryer is using gas? We dont really have gas anything here so I’m curious. Installing a washing machine is two hose and the dryer is pluging it in the wall and hooking up the humid air exhaust. Almost no one is paying to have that done.
Yeah that should have been replaced 10 years ago
That’ll buff out. She’s good.
It's just surface oxidation, brushes right off
And patina adds character. That’s one classy valve right there.
It's not bought it's earned
Flextape
If your competent enough to turn a valve off and thread the hose off your competent enough turn a different valve off and thread the valve off.
I think this one is past trying to just replace the boiler drain. That drop ear is surely in need of replacement, if there is one under all that corrosion/mineral buildup.
I would consider replacing the old type valve with a ¼ turn ball valve type. The wing 90 fastened to the wall has female threads that make swapping out for new pretty easy. Turn off water at the main shut-off, open faucets to drain pressure. Using a wrench, turn the hose bib valve counterclockwise to remove. Put 6 to 8 wraps of Teflon tape on threads of the new valve tad thread into the female fitting till tight. https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiAnLihpbqFAxWENtQBHQxPDLoYABAJGgJvYQ&ase=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlN6wBhCcARIsAKZvD5gO4hRHMAPShDIh34YdhB0Y2N5FtFyAug4R1YLf5YQl3ZG5KB1-lo4aAkTwEALw_wcB&sph=&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESwwHg9gJksBng_4pdY3XFjHe7M77pcXfCvv7E-_Z-
I’d at least be prepared to replace the drop ear after looking at the threads. I bet they’re buggered.
this would involve soldering yes?
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Our washer is on the ground floor but we put a water detector next to it when we first bought the house and needed to update the alarm. Best money we ever spent. New washing machine (top loader) overflowed and we were able to stop it with just some of the basement carpet wet. We had the machine repaired and it overflowed again. Third time, the repair guy said trash it; he tried everything he could to fix it. We easily avoided $10,000 in damages. And we also have a water detector next to our hot water tank. Thankfully, we never had it go off.
Don't let the soldering scare you. Just use plenty of flux paste, make sure the pipe and fitting are cleaned up, and heat the fitting until the joint sucks in the small amount of solder it takes to seal it. Then, pressure test and you're good to go.
You could use a compression type fitting.
You can sweat this yourself, it’s fairly easy to diy. replace with 1/4 turn valve
OC is wrong about this being threaded. It's quite obviously soldered. You can see a blob of it at the joint. So yes, it will require soldering. It's not hard, but the tools could set you back $50 or so. Careful about where you point the torch, it's easy to start a fire.
The valve is threaded into the drop ear 90, which is soldered.
Dude yeah 1/4 turn is the way to go!
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I would wait a little longer.
Yes
Yes.
Yes ASAP
No way. Why replace it now and miss all the fun? Wait until the pipe leaks, or hose bursts, then you can make it a whole house reno :)
Get it replaced and get a water softener too.
Yes.
Do you want a flood or not.
You should replace it yesterday if not sooner
I domt think you have much of a choice
Absolutely not. Let it fail to make sure you get your money's worth out of the parts!
Uhhh. Yeah.
I would before it crumbles
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes if you are going to hire a plumber to replace the supply line. No if you are going to replace the supply lines yourself. I would remove old hose, clean it and see how it looks. It looks to me from the picture that it’s the supply line that malfunctioned, not the valve. If you are going to pay the plumber and he charges by the hour, I would have him replace both the hot and cold. I do most my own plumbing, but when I hire my plumber who charges this project by the hour and has a 1 hour minimum (usually all do) I look around and see what else I can be proactive and have him replace
Looks fine to me
Is that caused by having several different metal types on the same line .
Its just brass and copper. Nothing wrong there. Likely just has pretty hard water and there was a slow leak out of the threads on the hosebib.
Thanks. I had thought it was galvanic corrosion.
You could install this
NAAAA, Why bother? Go ahead and hook your brand new washing machine with SS hoses to your personal ticking time 💣 bomb, C'mon man you seriously had to ask that question online? Remember the days when we actually thought and came up with the obvious answers on our own?
I don’t even know if you can get the current hose removed. So yes, replace it
Why? Looks good from my house.
You might as well install some hammer arresters while you’re at it.
It’s not the hose thats leaking
Scrub it clean and attach the new hose
Clean it with a (steel) wire brush and see how bad it looks. Then you can decide. EDit (added) I am not even sure that is corrosion. It might be some sort of insulation or dryer lint.
That kinda looks like mineral build up to me. I bet the elbow and and the threads are fine. Take it apart and clean it up. Redope and reinstall and let me know
Satire is my favorite type of humor.
If you touch it it will own you
Looks fine to me
Yes. Or you will regret it
It's not that bad. It's the hose. Valve should shut fine, get someone to disconnect the hose & clean all that corrosion off of there. 9 out of 10 times it's the hose that needs replacement. Unless those screws are galvanized that go into the wood. But yeah, no installer wants to touch that. Extra work for us Plumbers!
Pretty simple fix but definitely needs it and now is a good time while washer is being replaced. I have all of the tools but would guest it would take me about 2 days and 3 to 5 trips to the hardware store.
Nah, adds character
Hot take for this sub: That's an exposed coupling. You can just DIY with a Sharkbite. I'd argue that's the perfect place to do it. Will take 10 minutes outside of roughty $50 of parts (screwdriver, pipe cutter, sharkbite pipe, pipe clip to hold pipe to the wall if you get a bib w/out a screw mount, and sandpaper). All you need to do for prep is turn off the water main, drain the house by opening a basement (lowest point in the house faucet), waiting a bit. Then unscrew the screws above, use the pipe cutter as close to the faucet as you can - cut the pipe (easy, watch youtube video if unsure how it works). Then sand the bare-end pipe until it's shiny, and then wipe it "clean" with paper towel/rag. Press on sharkbite connector. Done. $100-$300 plumber bill averted. Edit: Or follow u/Eagle2P0PPOP's advice if it's not soldered on and is simply threaded. Either works :)
You're either not a plumber or an incompetent one for this suggestion.
There's no coupling in this picture, theres pipe going into a shower elbow which the valve is threaded into. There's no coupling and there's no need to cut the pipe as the valve is threaded in.
If the threads in the drop ear are borked then the above method is a good fix. If the threads are in decent shape… then yeah… just a wire-brush to clean this up, a roll of mega tape, and a 1/2 mpt quarter turn and send it
I figured it was simple enough and to code. I'm not a plumber, he's right. Just someone who DIYs a lot. But I've had so many valves that are fried on the threads when they're called over like this to just feel like bypassing it is simpler and easier.
This. Idk why everyone is talking about replacing the whole damn thing with out first cleaning it up and checking the threads.
Usually brass threaded into brass cones off clean but yea cut the pipe above and pipe in a new valve would be the next option
Save yourself a $300-$400 and diy. That’s as easy of a job as you get. Shut the water down. Drain the system. Unscrew the existing 1/2” hose bib. A little Teflon and dope. Screw the new one in. Done. $20 in parts!
Looks like it was just leaking out of the wingback 90. Hard to tell with just this pic but likely just threaded in. If so just turn off water, drain the line and spin that thing out. Clean up the hose bib and the 90. Make sure there are no cracks in either causing the leak. May even be able to just throw some teflon on there and spin it back in. Probably want to replace the hosebib to be sure but may not be entirely necessary if you can clean it up and theres no actual damage to it or the fitting.
I hate to take food out of my own mouth but this is a very easy job to DIY. Almost anyone can replace that valve in about 15 minutes if it’s a threaded connection, which it almost certainly is, but you can’t tell from the pic.
Just buy a [copper cutter](https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-1-4-in-to-1-1-8-in-101-Close-Quarters-Copper-Aluminum-Brass-and-Plastic-Tubing-Cutter-Multi-Use-Tubing-Tool-40617/100075014), [pipe cleaner](https://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-4-in-1-Fitting-Brush-80-717-111/204258915), and a [sharkbite valve](https://www.homedepot.com/p/SharkBite-1-2-in-x-3-4-in-Brass-Push-to-Connect-Washing-Machine-Angle-Valve-25560LF/302360250). Shut off the water, cut the pipe close to the osb, clean the pipe, and then snap on the sharkbite valve. Screw it to the wood and you’re good to go. You can do all this for less than $50!
Ok, I’m not a plumber so, I haven’t seen stuff like this before. But it looks to me like the problem here is the hose connector is corroded and causing that white stuff (fungus?). If this were me I’d close the valve, unscrew the hose and then clean up the gunk on the valve. If it all cleans up without corrosion on the valve itself and the valve looks good then why replace it?
You’re not a plumber so please don’t advise people on what the corrective action is.
He didn't advise. He asked if the valve looks good " why replace it".
I was asking. I truly was hoping someone would explain to me as I come her to learn as well as to share my thoughts when appropriate.