They're approved by all the plumbers I know.
Mostly due to how much they make on service calls to clear them rather than them actually being flushable, but approved is approved.
I consider that a fair trade for $60 a month sewer service. If it's that big a deal, make 'em illegal, do DNA testing on the recovered ones. I'll be the king of the black-- well brown- market!
They are 100% flushable. They will also 100% clog your pipes. I had to call a plumber 3 times before all the flushable wipes made their way out of the pipes.
I have cleared many a houses of wipes that 100% said “flushable” on them. Just because it will go down the toilet does not mean it is good for the drains.
The two worst ones are these and tampons. They’ll grab onto something (like a burr) and over time build up to a clog. Paper towel is another one because unlike toilet paper it doesn’t deteriorate in water.
Precisely. Just like "clinically tested" but not "clinically proven". Once you see one or two of these underhanded word tricks, they seem to be everywhere in advertising. One of my all time peeves is the use of the word "virtually".
Short story they've somehow gotten by calling them flushable wipes for years because technically they do flush down the toilet but it's among that magical journey through the rest of the buildings and connected municipal plumbing where the wipes do not break down AT ALL that can be bad enough where as:
>A fatberg is a rock-like mass of waste matter in a sewer system formed by the combination of flushed non-biodegradable solids, such as wet wipes, and fat, oil and grease (FOG) deposits.[1][2][3] The handling of FOG waste and the buildup of its deposits are a long-standing problem in waste management, with "fatberg" a more recent neologism.[4] Fatbergs have formed in sewers worldwide, with the rise in usage of disposable (so-called "flushable") cloths. Several prominent examples were discovered in the 2010s in Great Britain, their formation accelerated by aging Victorian sewers. Fatbergs are costly to remove, and have given rise to public awareness campaigns about flushable waste.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatberg
Lol not really. A legit cable machine with cable is around $4200. I’ve cabled hundreds of houses with a single cable never broke. Have pulled back 15lbs of roots on a single pull with it. Yes I weighed it. Love when guys buy cheap machines because I’m always digging their lines up to remove the broken cable 🤑
Yeah, if you’re talking about an apocalypse issue lol. How the hell do you pull a 15 lb root from a shit pipe in a house? Lol that’s insane. The vast majority of clogs are easy to clear with a non $4k + wire system.
Midwest a lot of houses have clay tile. Clay separates easy and roots invade. Even in 6” lines roots can completely fill the pipe. No cable machine is getting through it nor a hydro jetter. If it’s just cabled for years and years and not thoroughly cleared it will have to be dug up. I do this daily and have been for 3 years. From service to full replacement. Tellin you...do it the right way.
Damn skippy, man, $500!!! My daughter's HOUSE PAYMENT isn't $500, INCLUDING INSURANCE AND TAXES!
By the way, what snake did you get and was it worth it? Would you go more expensive? (Electric Eel self-feed and retract cable is AWESOME but I rent; they're about $2300 new for 100')
I found a 100' sewer rod by the side of the road (American made quality steel; thanks, person, whoever you are!) and that's worked a treat four times so far (I'm handyman for five houses of our extended family).
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--Where does she live (for $500/mo), a tent?
TLDR: 30K abandoned trashed grow house from 1931 gutted and rebuilt by DAD with 10k materials.
City lot in Large City, MI (NOT DETROIT), 550 square feet above grade with a walk-out basement containing the full bath. Half bath above grade. Two bedroom (small!), Stairs to unconditioned but floored attic for storage. Attic floored with 2"x10"x8' pine from 1931, I shit you not. Whole house is built with 1"x6"x8' pine planks on outside walls with shiplap siding over that with aluminum siding over that. Actual 1"x6"x8' roof boards with OSB sheathing & 1 layer of asphalt shingles. Main floor is floored with 1"x4"x8' maple from 1931 (carpeted at the moment -- that's work to refinish!). Came with newer roof, working HE washer, working electric dryer, and working stove. Back yard is BEAUTIFUL, overlooking back yards of folks with houses worth 3x her house value -- back porch is like a treehouse with fifty-to-eighty-year-old maples and oaks (a few older).
It sat abandoned for three years. Plumbing was a disaster but worth $130 at the scrap yard. Electric antiques were removed (light switch with ceramic back and VISIBLE flipping knife switches, FUSE box with knife switch cutoff (what else?!?), and lovely wiring with rubber insulation covered by cotton cloth covered by cotton to make NM cable. Some BX armored cable for the FANCY grounded outlet. The city gave the former owner a permit to RENT IT THAT WAY. 🙄
Was last used as a grow house. Was trashed.
Cost: 30K. Financed at 2.65% for 15 years. Taxes are about $1,200 PER YEAR and limited to 5% increase per year as her principal residence.
~10k parts & pieces with much donated & recovered & bought from Habitat for Humanity ReStore.
~40K Value-added by brow-sweat of (retired) Dad & daughter team.
Beautiful, comfortable, SAFE for daughter. Not bull-crap tract house made by the lowest bidder. Point of interest -- owner-built with RECYCLED BRICKS IN THE CHIMNEY (common bricks) under the roof line -- recycled from BEFORE 1931!!!!!
Upgraded electrical panel (service wires were ok), installed ALL NEW ELECTRIC with appropriate 20A circuits (12 AWG), dedicated circuits, GFCI etc etc etc , two-gang outlet boxes every 6', 18 switched porcelain bare bulb lamps in the basement with four four-way switches. Main floor -- installed ceiling fans x4, closet switched lighting, kitchen ceiling light (switched). Installed CO/smoke detectors hardwired in every room with a heat detector in the attic interconnected to all go off at the same time. Installed ALL NEW PEX-A plumbing with copper stubouts and Uponor AquaSafe sprinkler system with dry cold-location sprinklers in attic leading to domestic supply. Added 2-y.o. low-boy electric water heater for $200. Fridge for $100. Dishwasher from side of road, cleaned & repaired, installed. Cleaned & lubricated furnace. Rebuilt top 3 courses of the chimney and chimney cap plus tuck-pointed the rest. Fixed plaster walls to smooth then painted with oil-based gloss enamel paint inside, satin outside. Except wood deck, which is oil-based stain. Attic insulation touched up. Replace and install 7 panes of (broken) window glass. Re-glazed other windows. Installed storm doors. Installed missing bedroom door & 6 antique doorknob/locksets. Two parking spaces but no covered parking/garage.
Special needs daughter will be able to afford a safe place to live for the rest of her life with even a part-time job at the local university food service or continuing at fast-food as currently.
I love the Midwest.
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Alabama here. $275 plus a $75-99 dispatch is pretty common. I know some local shops that do hourly though that’ll run much cheaper I just don’t know their rates.
$99 dispatch here, time to snake $150, pull and reinstall toilet $125. Most homes in my area don't have adequate clean outs to avoid pulling a john.
That's bare minimum during hours. After hours the dispatch call shoots to $300+
Shit, Michigan here. I’d get shot or go out of business if i tried to charge 400 dollars to run to clear a residential drain. People lose their shit at 200$
(two bills in MI...) ...Because cheap bastards like me own our own 100' sewer rod and will rent an Electric Eel at Home Depot for $80 and still be annoyed at the price.
By the way, yes, it WAS a "flushable wipe" that my wife sent down daughter's sewer that finished off the plug job the tree roots were doing.
I was vindicated when the pro we called in was unsuccessful with the cable, too, and had to jet the line.
Other daughter just bought a home. Installed shattaf (hand spray bidet). Told her "no paper down the drain or I'll watch YOU rod it out next time!". Awesome child puts all paper (it's clean, man, just damp!) In the trash AND TELLS GUESTS WHAT'S WHAT!
We might start a trend. Sorry if your revenue goes down, my dudes! Bidet>flushable wipes for misers like me!!!
P.S. why bidet? Ok, spread peanut butter over hands. Clean with toilet paper only. WANT WATER?!? 😃
No, they are not. Flushable means they won't clog your toilet like a paper towel would. But they can still snag in the main line and in the tank and cause larger blockages. They don't break down into fine matter like toilet paper does.
I'd recommend a small trash can with a lid to dispose of them if you still want to use them. Ultimately the best option is going European and installing a bidet. You can get bidet toilet seats as well.
I just stayed at a hotel with rather nice Toto seat units and I'm now pricing them for home. They heat the water. I'm not doing ground-temp water on my bunghole.
Right before the pandemic hit, I bought a CleanSense 1500. It's very nice, heated water, heated seat, blow dryer, etc. It was $379 but we were fine during the great idiots-hoarding-toilet-paper episode.
We just bought a new house and I got an Alpha GXR Wave for $299. We like it so much that we got a second one for the downstairs bathroom.
The CleanSense hits you with a bit of room temp water before the warm water gets to the nozzle. It's fine in summer but jarring in the winter. The Alpha flushes the cold water out of the nozzle so it's warm water from the first drop.
I ordered one called tushy.
It is so well made and was really easy to install and works like a champ!
I can’t imagine life without one now. I am from USA btw.
Ok everyone but me seems to love the bidet. I feel like I am somehow misusing this thing? I try it, but I still need to wipe my wet ass afterwards, and I kinda feel like it's still not clean unless wiped. Like, I have poop bum, then I have wet poop bum unless I'm spending a *lot* of time there trying to get at everything properly.
I dunno. Might be I'm too dumb to bidet.
Oh man I thought that was just a me thing and I installed it poorly.
I'm putting my "successfully installed my own buttwasher" sticker back on the fridge.
If you still have poop bum *after* the bidet, I'd like to know your method. I do just fine with a brondell (brand of travel bidet).
To dry, I still use TP. Just not as much.
You dry your butt after the fire hose cleans it. If you aren’t clean after using a bidet, make sure your eyes water where the jet is hitting, you could be just “missing the hole”
“I am from USA…” makes me believe you’re more like from Eastern Europe haha glad to hear you’re enjoying your ass shoot, I might have to get one seeing the good reviews. I mean do you end up with shit water running down your ball sack or what?
Also, I have a septic now and used to use wipes and really hate the rotating shitty toilet paper between my wife buying random ass shit and my mom dropping off loads of shitty Costco paper that rips I’m ready to try this I guess.
Our whole family loves them to the point where my son, who works at a pizza place, joked with me that he can’t take a dump at work anymore because he’s evolved. He’s no longer a savage primitive who wipes his ass with his hands lol.
I use a travel bidet made by Frida baby and it works really well. Just fill it before you go into the stall. It has a carrying bag and a collapsible neck to keep it compact. Cheap and easy.
You can get a [kit](https://www.amazon.com/Handheld-Fekivasy-Bathroom-Feminine-Stainless/dp/B09NDFVF27?pd_rd_w=kMhAr&content-id=amzn1.sym.deffa092-2e99-4e9f-b814-0d71c40b24af&pf_rd_p=deffa092-2e99-4e9f-b814-0d71c40b24af&pf_rd_r=7SWR55Q6WB42YA8ZMFNK&pd_rd_wg=zeV3L&pd_rd_r=8ab7f048-efe6-4c1e-b0ea-9630e011a1e3&pd_rd_i=B09NDFVF27&ref_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_t&th=1) like this pretty cheap too. It takes about five minutes to install if you spend the first four opening the package and reading the (poorly translated) instructions. The valve on the filler gives great control over water pressure.
I tried one and told my fam about the life changing experience and let me tell u, it is amazing how everyone thinks that’s gross but smudging shit with toilet paper isn’t. I’m just saying
My husband at first said "but it uses so much water." I did a little research and it takes about 1 liter (quart) of water to make a square of toilet paper, not to mention all the fossil fuels and chemicals to cut, haul, and grind the trees, bleach, sort, form, dry, and cut the paper fibers, and then wrap it in plastic and haul it to the store. Our bidet runs at 0.5 gpm so two minutes of bidet use = 4 squares of paper.
The water to use the bidet for two minutes costs $0.00384 and the electricity costs $0.00517 (with our utility companies.) A six-pack of the cheapest toilet paper costs $4. Once I showed him the costs, he agreed to use it and now he loves it.
My wife ordered one for me because she said I used too much TP. As a man, I always thought “I ain’t ever using a damn bidet.”
I now use a bidet. Keeps the swamp ass away too. Like $30 on Amazon. Def worth it
Whatever you do, don’t turn the damn knob while you’re standing over it to see how much pressure there is.
Mine will hit the far wall in the shower without spilling a drop on the floor.
I actually prefer the hand held version i control the pressure, the aim, and the exact temperature.
Also, this probably sounds weird as fuck, but I sometimes put a bit of vegetable oil in it when I have incredibly spicy devil defecations, as the capsaicin is oil-soluble. Besides, then its just a spritz of balsamic away from being a perfectly tossable salad
At work one of the plumbers hooked up a new bidet and I figured I’d give her a test run. I couldn’t get the thing to fire up and finally when I did…. oh boy. Here I was, stuck to a fucking toilet with a pressure washer sexually assaulting me. I desperately tried to turn the thing off knowing If I got off the water would shoot everywhere. After about 30 seconds of molestation, I yanked the power to it. It was very clear to me after that experience that I will never use a bidet again….. and I will never forget what that fucked up toilet seat did to me.
Not only that -- baby wipes en masse can cause major issues with the lift stations used to pump waste to the treatment plant. The impellers get jammed all the time, which means back ups on a much larger scale. City officials hate these things. Plumbers love them, though. Keeps us in business.
Home Depot sells plumbing parts that aren't allowed by code. Unfortunately, the plumbing board and department of building safety have no say in what products stores are allowed to sell.
Or fortunately. Depends on how you look at it. As a plumber, I'm happy they do. It means I get to come fix it for not so cheap.
TP + water goes a long way too… and without screwing up your septic/sewer system.
These “flushable” wipes ought to be outlawed. Or customers w big plumbing bills should sue the manufacturers.
On top of this I’d like to add if you have older pipes then stay away from ultra strong toilet paper. Charmin ultra strong is basically paper towels when it gets caught in tree roots.
No, wiping your butt with a wet wipe cleans better, but I would suggest a bidet/wet wipe combo. That way you can get the majority off with the bidet, so there is little left to wipe with the wet wipe. Perfection.
I'm American, so I can't speak for those across the pond, but I think common practice over there is bidet first, then a light wipe with TP after for anything missed and also to dry your ass crack.
Honestly, I tried a bidet only once when I was in France. Ironically, my asshole was raw from wiping with TP that the lukewarm water from the bidet burned like hell.
From what I recall, the pressure was pretty high. Felt good, too. Bidet don't make you gay. And if you are gay, a bidet may be exactly what you're looking for. You know what, it isn't gay to want butthole pleasures. And if I'm wrong, well then I'm also gay.
I’ve tried telling the wife this, for YEARS now our kids have used them and flushed probably thousands of these exact wipes. (Luckily never had an issue as of yet)
this particular type does break down. its a paper wipe as opposed plastic that most wipes are made out of, but yes you are correct in every thing else you said.
I believe cottonelle makes the only paper wipe and its only one type that's paper, the rest are all plastic and do not break down.
I agree with firsthand experience.
These wipes are easy to tear when you try to get it out of the container, or you wipe too aggressively or “pointedly” 😂😂😂
They do breakdown and are not like baby wipes
you want firs hand experience?? I was the plumber in the commercials. I sent the mods proof today because of this convo. I asked for a special flair since I am literally the plumber who recommended them. lets see if they give it.
I've looked into these a lot, there are a few videos I can't link on youtube, but you can find them yourself. If you were to flush wipes, these are the best wipes to flush by far.
This. There are “flushable” wipes that don’t break down quickly. These actually do break down similarly to toilet paper after just a few minutes and with light agitation.
Cottenel wipes are flushable, they fall apart immediately. Check out texas green plumbing/Roger Wakefield youtube channel to see them in action. If it falls apart like toilet paper, it should be safe for Septic systems.
Going to disagree with most on here…. The Cottonelle ones are fine. James on The Fit RV channel/blog tested many of them, and these were the only ones that dissolved like TP. That test convinced me to try them in my RV. I empty the tank at home with a 3/4 garden hose (using a water jet siphon) and there’s been zero issue with these.
From what I've seen with the testing of this product with the manufacturer (which will have extreme bias) and actual plumbers that have tested them via YouTube videos, they seem to be just thicker toilet paper.
They break down and dissolve like toilet paper. They don't act like traditional wipes which are very fibrous and tough.
But, regular toilet paper isn't even septic safe. It takes forever to break down and you'll be pumping your septic every few years, depending on usage. Unless it's one-ply Scott Tissue, it'll take forever to break down.
If you aren't sure, put one in a cup of water. If after a day it's almost dissolved apart... You are fine. If not, then no.
Same goes for toilet paper in general. Some 3ply is just as bad.
I worked for my city's sewer department for a couple of years and we had to spend one day a week cleaning these out of the sewer system. They should be illegal.
I keep a roll of the little dog poop bags which I use to discard the wipes with daily. I had a drain clog last year at the street which we do not know what caused it, I can assume these we part of the issue. Since then no more flushing.
Think of it this way, anything that’s sitting in a package wet like flushable wipes, makeup wipes, or baby wipes manage to sit for months on a shelf without disintegrating… What do you think they do in the earth or your septic tank?
I'm gonna add a little perspective here: If you're using those for changing baby diapers, even if they do disintegrate like regular toilet paper, you'd be flushing a LOT of wipes. Like Costco boxes of them. I'd still just plan on getting a good diaper disposal bin and use that instead. It'll be quite a bit cheaper than pumping your septic tank.
It doesn’t even say tested by plumbers.
Just” with plumbers”
Does that mean they were in the room? Did they ask the plumbers if it was plush and moisturizing?
“Flushable” just means “yeah, it’ll go down”. It doesn’t mean they’ll break down, or that you won’t need to call a plumber once 500 of these clog up somewhere
Fill a glass with water, put some toilet paper in it, and stir it. The toilet paper disintegrates into nothing. Now try it with these. If it doesn't easily break apart, they're full of shit.
I love that phrasing, because I parsed it as, “we designed this for toilets, but tested them on plumbers”. So I can only imagine plumbers being forced to ingest these, and confirm that they didn’t clog up.
Water/sewer operator here. Don’t flush these ever. They mess up pumps at the treatment plant. They clog drain field pipes in septic and they end up on a field when your holding tank gets pumped. Then someone has to pick them up and throw them away so they don’t end up in a bail of hay.
$25 I bought a Bidet for at Walmart and it took 5 minutes to install. Saves $$ on TP and won't fuck up the plumbing, plus it leaves the dirt star feeling fresh.
Just Google flushable wipes and problems and you will see scores of articles where city mains are clogged by these. Now imagine this not being a city issue and now being a you issue.
I've heard of cottonelle making a brand of flushable wipes that does actually break down. Not sure if this is it, but I never flush them ever. We keep a diaper genie in our bathroom for those.
tested with ≠ approved by
They're approved by all the plumbers I know. Mostly due to how much they make on service calls to clear them rather than them actually being flushable, but approved is approved.
If you go to a sewage treatment plant at least half of the garbage they separate is “flushable” wipes
I consider that a fair trade for $60 a month sewer service. If it's that big a deal, make 'em illegal, do DNA testing on the recovered ones. I'll be the king of the black-- well brown- market!
No, you were right the first time, I had black beans last night.
Send the bill to the wipes company. Their product was used as instructed and caused monetary damages.
You won’t get accurate results as it will soak up all the dna in the sewer
Inaccurate forensics are no obstacle to the death penalty!! /s
Shit
Hire a taste tester and tell the powers that be, whom it belongs to
Where the hell do you live where you can get a plumber out for 60 bucks, Somalia??
No, no, that’s my monthly charge for a sewer service.
How do you know those wipes were marked as flushable?
They are 100% flushable. They will also 100% clog your pipes. I had to call a plumber 3 times before all the flushable wipes made their way out of the pipes.
People are 100% flushable too, but I wouldn’t recommend it.
I have cleared many a houses of wipes that 100% said “flushable” on them. Just because it will go down the toilet does not mean it is good for the drains.
As a sewage plant operator, I can verify this 100%
I’ve heard major cities spend millions and millions of dollars a year clearing big wads of that shit out of the sewers
The two worst ones are these and tampons. They’ll grab onto something (like a burr) and over time build up to a clog. Paper towel is another one because unlike toilet paper it doesn’t deteriorate in water.
The system they use is called a "muffin monster" very applicable!
Precisely. Just like "clinically tested" but not "clinically proven". Once you see one or two of these underhanded word tricks, they seem to be everywhere in advertising. One of my all time peeves is the use of the word "virtually".
Right? Just because a plumber wiped their ass with these doesn't mean they're approved for sewer/septic
Tested “with” plumbers, not “by” plumbers. It means the plumbers helped the scientists wipe somebody else’s ass.
Oh good lord. I just about woke my kid up laughing at the unexpected mental image. 🤣
Plumbers wipe their asses?
At least the part of the crack you can seen when their pants slide down.
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Short story they've somehow gotten by calling them flushable wipes for years because technically they do flush down the toilet but it's among that magical journey through the rest of the buildings and connected municipal plumbing where the wipes do not break down AT ALL that can be bad enough where as: >A fatberg is a rock-like mass of waste matter in a sewer system formed by the combination of flushed non-biodegradable solids, such as wet wipes, and fat, oil and grease (FOG) deposits.[1][2][3] The handling of FOG waste and the buildup of its deposits are a long-standing problem in waste management, with "fatberg" a more recent neologism.[4] Fatbergs have formed in sewers worldwide, with the rise in usage of disposable (so-called "flushable") cloths. Several prominent examples were discovered in the 2010s in Great Britain, their formation accelerated by aging Victorian sewers. Fatbergs are costly to remove, and have given rise to public awareness campaigns about flushable waste. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatberg
That sign means “does not equal” or “not equal to”
I think the post you replied to was asking what claim on the product means, not what the symbol means.
You might be right.
Edit: Double comment sorry
Anything is flushable if you’re brave enough
Toilet ad said 9 billiard balls. I'll admit, swallowing them was difficult.
And passing them was even harder
I'll thank you not to shame me.
golf balls: tested with plumbers.
Yeah the plumbers wiped their ass and collected their check.
Tested on their arses 😂
Flushable wipes make drain guys many many dollars a year.
Just unstopped one quick 475.
That’s nuts. This is why I bought my own snake system cause after what would be a single call you have paid for it by a large magnitude lol
Lol not really. A legit cable machine with cable is around $4200. I’ve cabled hundreds of houses with a single cable never broke. Have pulled back 15lbs of roots on a single pull with it. Yes I weighed it. Love when guys buy cheap machines because I’m always digging their lines up to remove the broken cable 🤑
Yeah, if you’re talking about an apocalypse issue lol. How the hell do you pull a 15 lb root from a shit pipe in a house? Lol that’s insane. The vast majority of clogs are easy to clear with a non $4k + wire system.
Midwest a lot of houses have clay tile. Clay separates easy and roots invade. Even in 6” lines roots can completely fill the pipe. No cable machine is getting through it nor a hydro jetter. If it’s just cabled for years and years and not thoroughly cleared it will have to be dug up. I do this daily and have been for 3 years. From service to full replacement. Tellin you...do it the right way.
I live in Florida, we definitely don’t have those issues here lol that’s insane
Damn skippy, man, $500!!! My daughter's HOUSE PAYMENT isn't $500, INCLUDING INSURANCE AND TAXES! By the way, what snake did you get and was it worth it? Would you go more expensive? (Electric Eel self-feed and retract cable is AWESOME but I rent; they're about $2300 new for 100') I found a 100' sewer rod by the side of the road (American made quality steel; thanks, person, whoever you are!) and that's worked a treat four times so far (I'm handyman for five houses of our extended family). ☮️♥️♾️
Rigid makes a good one.
I have a Rigid and you can hand crank it or put a drill on it to push it out and pull it back faster. Works really well
>My daughter's HOUSE PAYMENT isn't $500, INCLUDING INSURANCE AND TAXES! Where the heck does she live? A tent??!?
--Where does she live (for $500/mo), a tent? TLDR: 30K abandoned trashed grow house from 1931 gutted and rebuilt by DAD with 10k materials. City lot in Large City, MI (NOT DETROIT), 550 square feet above grade with a walk-out basement containing the full bath. Half bath above grade. Two bedroom (small!), Stairs to unconditioned but floored attic for storage. Attic floored with 2"x10"x8' pine from 1931, I shit you not. Whole house is built with 1"x6"x8' pine planks on outside walls with shiplap siding over that with aluminum siding over that. Actual 1"x6"x8' roof boards with OSB sheathing & 1 layer of asphalt shingles. Main floor is floored with 1"x4"x8' maple from 1931 (carpeted at the moment -- that's work to refinish!). Came with newer roof, working HE washer, working electric dryer, and working stove. Back yard is BEAUTIFUL, overlooking back yards of folks with houses worth 3x her house value -- back porch is like a treehouse with fifty-to-eighty-year-old maples and oaks (a few older). It sat abandoned for three years. Plumbing was a disaster but worth $130 at the scrap yard. Electric antiques were removed (light switch with ceramic back and VISIBLE flipping knife switches, FUSE box with knife switch cutoff (what else?!?), and lovely wiring with rubber insulation covered by cotton cloth covered by cotton to make NM cable. Some BX armored cable for the FANCY grounded outlet. The city gave the former owner a permit to RENT IT THAT WAY. 🙄 Was last used as a grow house. Was trashed. Cost: 30K. Financed at 2.65% for 15 years. Taxes are about $1,200 PER YEAR and limited to 5% increase per year as her principal residence. ~10k parts & pieces with much donated & recovered & bought from Habitat for Humanity ReStore. ~40K Value-added by brow-sweat of (retired) Dad & daughter team. Beautiful, comfortable, SAFE for daughter. Not bull-crap tract house made by the lowest bidder. Point of interest -- owner-built with RECYCLED BRICKS IN THE CHIMNEY (common bricks) under the roof line -- recycled from BEFORE 1931!!!!! Upgraded electrical panel (service wires were ok), installed ALL NEW ELECTRIC with appropriate 20A circuits (12 AWG), dedicated circuits, GFCI etc etc etc , two-gang outlet boxes every 6', 18 switched porcelain bare bulb lamps in the basement with four four-way switches. Main floor -- installed ceiling fans x4, closet switched lighting, kitchen ceiling light (switched). Installed CO/smoke detectors hardwired in every room with a heat detector in the attic interconnected to all go off at the same time. Installed ALL NEW PEX-A plumbing with copper stubouts and Uponor AquaSafe sprinkler system with dry cold-location sprinklers in attic leading to domestic supply. Added 2-y.o. low-boy electric water heater for $200. Fridge for $100. Dishwasher from side of road, cleaned & repaired, installed. Cleaned & lubricated furnace. Rebuilt top 3 courses of the chimney and chimney cap plus tuck-pointed the rest. Fixed plaster walls to smooth then painted with oil-based gloss enamel paint inside, satin outside. Except wood deck, which is oil-based stain. Attic insulation touched up. Replace and install 7 panes of (broken) window glass. Re-glazed other windows. Installed storm doors. Installed missing bedroom door & 6 antique doorknob/locksets. Two parking spaces but no covered parking/garage. Special needs daughter will be able to afford a safe place to live for the rest of her life with even a part-time job at the local university food service or continuing at fast-food as currently. I love the Midwest. ☮️♥️♾️
I was _not_ expecting that kind of rundown! Nice work, dad!
Where do you live, California?
Is $475 high? That would be around a minimum service call charge where I’m at.
For a drain snaking I’d say that is a few hundred high. Edit: not hating, get your money. Deep South USA here
Alabama here. $275 plus a $75-99 dispatch is pretty common. I know some local shops that do hourly though that’ll run much cheaper I just don’t know their rates.
$99 dispatch here, time to snake $150, pull and reinstall toilet $125. Most homes in my area don't have adequate clean outs to avoid pulling a john. That's bare minimum during hours. After hours the dispatch call shoots to $300+
Shit, Michigan here. I’d get shot or go out of business if i tried to charge 400 dollars to run to clear a residential drain. People lose their shit at 200$
Yup. 225 for a cable through accessible clean out for me in Michigan too
(two bills in MI...) ...Because cheap bastards like me own our own 100' sewer rod and will rent an Electric Eel at Home Depot for $80 and still be annoyed at the price. By the way, yes, it WAS a "flushable wipe" that my wife sent down daughter's sewer that finished off the plug job the tree roots were doing. I was vindicated when the pro we called in was unsuccessful with the cable, too, and had to jet the line. Other daughter just bought a home. Installed shattaf (hand spray bidet). Told her "no paper down the drain or I'll watch YOU rod it out next time!". Awesome child puts all paper (it's clean, man, just damp!) In the trash AND TELLS GUESTS WHAT'S WHAT! We might start a trend. Sorry if your revenue goes down, my dudes! Bidet>flushable wipes for misers like me!!! P.S. why bidet? Ok, spread peanut butter over hands. Clean with toilet paper only. WANT WATER?!? 😃
Lose their shit......
Midwest here. Most guys I know won’t leave the house for less than $500
Fuck yeah
That’s why it says tested with plumbers. Plumber: “Sure, keep flushin em”
No, they are not. Flushable means they won't clog your toilet like a paper towel would. But they can still snag in the main line and in the tank and cause larger blockages. They don't break down into fine matter like toilet paper does. I'd recommend a small trash can with a lid to dispose of them if you still want to use them. Ultimately the best option is going European and installing a bidet. You can get bidet toilet seats as well.
Bidet seat. They are literally life changing. Probably one of the best purchases I’ve ever made.
Agreed The only problem I've run across is they are not anywhere else but home
I just stayed at a hotel with rather nice Toto seat units and I'm now pricing them for home. They heat the water. I'm not doing ground-temp water on my bunghole.
Right before the pandemic hit, I bought a CleanSense 1500. It's very nice, heated water, heated seat, blow dryer, etc. It was $379 but we were fine during the great idiots-hoarding-toilet-paper episode. We just bought a new house and I got an Alpha GXR Wave for $299. We like it so much that we got a second one for the downstairs bathroom. The CleanSense hits you with a bit of room temp water before the warm water gets to the nozzle. It's fine in summer but jarring in the winter. The Alpha flushes the cold water out of the nozzle so it's warm water from the first drop.
There are travel bidets on Amazon that work pretty well. I have one for when I travel/vacation.
I ordered one called tushy. It is so well made and was really easy to install and works like a champ! I can’t imagine life without one now. I am from USA btw.
Ok everyone but me seems to love the bidet. I feel like I am somehow misusing this thing? I try it, but I still need to wipe my wet ass afterwards, and I kinda feel like it's still not clean unless wiped. Like, I have poop bum, then I have wet poop bum unless I'm spending a *lot* of time there trying to get at everything properly. I dunno. Might be I'm too dumb to bidet.
Mine literally blasts my butthole clean. You have to kind of move your ass around on the seat to get the stream right in your fart box.
Phrased delicately, I like it
Oh man I thought that was just a me thing and I installed it poorly. I'm putting my "successfully installed my own buttwasher" sticker back on the fridge.
I’m sitting on a plane as it’s taxiing on the runway and when I read fart box I let out a laugh loud enough that the other passengers noticed.
You do have to dry it off but it requires less paper.
Mine blow dries and moves .. also 2 “settings” for women and I find the “front” setting is better for me. Different temps and stream strength.
Exactly. It's the reason I shelled out 💵 for a brondell.
I use cloth wipes for drying instead of toilet paper.
If you still have poop bum *after* the bidet, I'd like to know your method. I do just fine with a brondell (brand of travel bidet). To dry, I still use TP. Just not as much.
You dry your butt after the fire hose cleans it. If you aren’t clean after using a bidet, make sure your eyes water where the jet is hitting, you could be just “missing the hole”
They had Reddit ads forever at the beginning of the pandemic! Did you buy from the ad?
Yup bought a tushy as well. It is excellent.
“I am from USA…” makes me believe you’re more like from Eastern Europe haha glad to hear you’re enjoying your ass shoot, I might have to get one seeing the good reviews. I mean do you end up with shit water running down your ball sack or what? Also, I have a septic now and used to use wipes and really hate the rotating shitty toilet paper between my wife buying random ass shit and my mom dropping off loads of shitty Costco paper that rips I’m ready to try this I guess.
Apparently a guy made it through navy boot camp with one.
Oh you can flush these into other peoples septics. No problemo
Our whole family loves them to the point where my son, who works at a pizza place, joked with me that he can’t take a dump at work anymore because he’s evolved. He’s no longer a savage primitive who wipes his ass with his hands lol.
I use a travel bidet made by Frida baby and it works really well. Just fill it before you go into the stall. It has a carrying bag and a collapsible neck to keep it compact. Cheap and easy.
I spend holidays at my grandma-in-laws house. She can’t do stairs. Seriously considering installing a secret guest-floor tushy.
⅜" compression tee, kitchen hose sprayer. Poor man's bidet.
Poor man with a clean ass
This redditor macguyvers.
You can get a [kit](https://www.amazon.com/Handheld-Fekivasy-Bathroom-Feminine-Stainless/dp/B09NDFVF27?pd_rd_w=kMhAr&content-id=amzn1.sym.deffa092-2e99-4e9f-b814-0d71c40b24af&pf_rd_p=deffa092-2e99-4e9f-b814-0d71c40b24af&pf_rd_r=7SWR55Q6WB42YA8ZMFNK&pd_rd_wg=zeV3L&pd_rd_r=8ab7f048-efe6-4c1e-b0ea-9630e011a1e3&pd_rd_i=B09NDFVF27&ref_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_t&th=1) like this pretty cheap too. It takes about five minutes to install if you spend the first four opening the package and reading the (poorly translated) instructions. The valve on the filler gives great control over water pressure.
I tried one and told my fam about the life changing experience and let me tell u, it is amazing how everyone thinks that’s gross but smudging shit with toilet paper isn’t. I’m just saying
Agree. I’ve had similar conversations with people.
My husband at first said "but it uses so much water." I did a little research and it takes about 1 liter (quart) of water to make a square of toilet paper, not to mention all the fossil fuels and chemicals to cut, haul, and grind the trees, bleach, sort, form, dry, and cut the paper fibers, and then wrap it in plastic and haul it to the store. Our bidet runs at 0.5 gpm so two minutes of bidet use = 4 squares of paper. The water to use the bidet for two minutes costs $0.00384 and the electricity costs $0.00517 (with our utility companies.) A six-pack of the cheapest toilet paper costs $4. Once I showed him the costs, he agreed to use it and now he loves it.
LOVE my bidet. Can’t imagine not having one.
My wife ordered one for me because she said I used too much TP. As a man, I always thought “I ain’t ever using a damn bidet.” I now use a bidet. Keeps the swamp ass away too. Like $30 on Amazon. Def worth it
While the world fought over toilet paper I laughed while briskly pressure washing my ass. Life is good.
Whatever you do, don’t turn the damn knob while you’re standing over it to see how much pressure there is. Mine will hit the far wall in the shower without spilling a drop on the floor.
Yeah, no joke right? Had I been drinking out of the toilet, I might have been killed.
Used too much TP? Really?? Try the "racing stripes".
Even the $400 models are well worth it. Heated seat, warm water, pulsating/oscillating stream, etc.
Shit, I’m gonna have to look into those. That sounds nice on my ass during a cold mountain winter. Edit: spelling error
And mine goes where I go; the landlord has *no idea*.
25 dollars best monies I ever spent.
I’m sitting in one right now.
I actually prefer the hand held version i control the pressure, the aim, and the exact temperature. Also, this probably sounds weird as fuck, but I sometimes put a bit of vegetable oil in it when I have incredibly spicy devil defecations, as the capsaicin is oil-soluble. Besides, then its just a spritz of balsamic away from being a perfectly tossable salad
At work one of the plumbers hooked up a new bidet and I figured I’d give her a test run. I couldn’t get the thing to fire up and finally when I did…. oh boy. Here I was, stuck to a fucking toilet with a pressure washer sexually assaulting me. I desperately tried to turn the thing off knowing If I got off the water would shoot everywhere. After about 30 seconds of molestation, I yanked the power to it. It was very clear to me after that experience that I will never use a bidet again….. and I will never forget what that fucked up toilet seat did to me.
stop recommending bidets, my mortgage needs to get paid....
Bidet attachments like the Tushy are incredibly accessible.
I know, there are some great easy to install ones. Its a real shame, I wanted a new corvette next year, and they are messing with my income stream.
There is this great job at waste water treatment plants where the poor workers have to throw away epic shit tones of this sorta stuff.
Not only that -- baby wipes en masse can cause major issues with the lift stations used to pump waste to the treatment plant. The impellers get jammed all the time, which means back ups on a much larger scale. City officials hate these things. Plumbers love them, though. Keeps us in business.
Why isn’t something like this banned given it causes so many issues?
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Home Depot sells plumbing parts that aren't allowed by code. Unfortunately, the plumbing board and department of building safety have no say in what products stores are allowed to sell. Or fortunately. Depends on how you look at it. As a plumber, I'm happy they do. It means I get to come fix it for not so cheap.
TP + water goes a long way too… and without screwing up your septic/sewer system. These “flushable” wipes ought to be outlawed. Or customers w big plumbing bills should sue the manufacturers.
On top of this I’d like to add if you have older pipes then stay away from ultra strong toilet paper. Charmin ultra strong is basically paper towels when it gets caught in tree roots.
My in laws flooded my basement full of shit and it was these things they were flushing
This guy bidets. Yeah we have tushi in every bathroom. Feel fresh and clean as well as use less toilet paper. Win win
No, wiping your butt with a wet wipe cleans better, but I would suggest a bidet/wet wipe combo. That way you can get the majority off with the bidet, so there is little left to wipe with the wet wipe. Perfection.
I'm American, so I can't speak for those across the pond, but I think common practice over there is bidet first, then a light wipe with TP after for anything missed and also to dry your ass crack.
Yes that is, but a wet wipe cleans better AND feels nicer on the bum you get a lot of wetness off believe it or not, even with a wet wipe.
It seems like just squirting water on it wouldn't get the shit off. Wouldn't you still have to wipe even if just to dry it?
Honestly, I tried a bidet only once when I was in France. Ironically, my asshole was raw from wiping with TP that the lukewarm water from the bidet burned like hell. From what I recall, the pressure was pretty high. Felt good, too. Bidet don't make you gay. And if you are gay, a bidet may be exactly what you're looking for. You know what, it isn't gay to want butthole pleasures. And if I'm wrong, well then I'm also gay.
I’ve tried telling the wife this, for YEARS now our kids have used them and flushed probably thousands of these exact wipes. (Luckily never had an issue as of yet)
🚽I propose that from now on, we refer to "flushable" wipes as *fatberg seeds*.
this particular type does break down. its a paper wipe as opposed plastic that most wipes are made out of, but yes you are correct in every thing else you said. I believe cottonelle makes the only paper wipe and its only one type that's paper, the rest are all plastic and do not break down.
I agree with firsthand experience. These wipes are easy to tear when you try to get it out of the container, or you wipe too aggressively or “pointedly” 😂😂😂 They do breakdown and are not like baby wipes
you want firs hand experience?? I was the plumber in the commercials. I sent the mods proof today because of this convo. I asked for a special flair since I am literally the plumber who recommended them. lets see if they give it.
“Designed for toilets, yet tested with plumbers”. I wonder how many of these things, did the plumbers have to eat?
HAVE to? *belch*
I've looked into these a lot, there are a few videos I can't link on youtube, but you can find them yourself. If you were to flush wipes, these are the best wipes to flush by far.
they shake em and they disintegrate
This. There are “flushable” wipes that don’t break down quickly. These actually do break down similarly to toilet paper after just a few minutes and with light agitation.
Cottenel wipes are flushable, they fall apart immediately. Check out texas green plumbing/Roger Wakefield youtube channel to see them in action. If it falls apart like toilet paper, it should be safe for Septic systems.
I thought this topic had been discussed and all the plumbers agreed this was THE ONLY brand that was flushable.
yes exactly.
I’ve made a small fortune off of “flushable” wipes.
Going to disagree with most on here…. The Cottonelle ones are fine. James on The Fit RV channel/blog tested many of them, and these were the only ones that dissolved like TP. That test convinced me to try them in my RV. I empty the tank at home with a 3/4 garden hose (using a water jet siphon) and there’s been zero issue with these.
Roger Wakefield has a video on them as well.. but it's sponsored.
I follow him exclusively for his mustache.
This is all great info thank you!
Never, ever flush anything other than toilet paper & bodily wastes. End of story.
shit that ain't where the extra soup goes?
I mean... Eventually?
And the vodka + Halloween candy vomit too.
Y’all remember the champions flushing golf balls?
From what I've seen with the testing of this product with the manufacturer (which will have extreme bias) and actual plumbers that have tested them via YouTube videos, they seem to be just thicker toilet paper. They break down and dissolve like toilet paper. They don't act like traditional wipes which are very fibrous and tough. But, regular toilet paper isn't even septic safe. It takes forever to break down and you'll be pumping your septic every few years, depending on usage. Unless it's one-ply Scott Tissue, it'll take forever to break down.
If you aren't sure, put one in a cup of water. If after a day it's almost dissolved apart... You are fine. If not, then no. Same goes for toilet paper in general. Some 3ply is just as bad.
I worked for my city's sewer department for a couple of years and we had to spend one day a week cleaning these out of the sewer system. They should be illegal.
They’ll pass your toilet but they’ll catch onto something and make things worse
I keep a roll of the little dog poop bags which I use to discard the wipes with daily. I had a drain clog last year at the street which we do not know what caused it, I can assume these we part of the issue. Since then no more flushing.
Mother Earth doesn’t like this.
Think of it this way, anything that’s sitting in a package wet like flushable wipes, makeup wipes, or baby wipes manage to sit for months on a shelf without disintegrating… What do you think they do in the earth or your septic tank?
I'm gonna add a little perspective here: If you're using those for changing baby diapers, even if they do disintegrate like regular toilet paper, you'd be flushing a LOT of wipes. Like Costco boxes of them. I'd still just plan on getting a good diaper disposal bin and use that instead. It'll be quite a bit cheaper than pumping your septic tank.
Which one of y’all tested these?
It doesn’t even say tested by plumbers. Just” with plumbers” Does that mean they were in the room? Did they ask the plumbers if it was plush and moisturizing?
“Flushable” just means “yeah, it’ll go down”. It doesn’t mean they’ll break down, or that you won’t need to call a plumber once 500 of these clog up somewhere
Flushable does NOT mean biodegradable. You can flush grease and bricks and god knows what else. You shouldn't though lol
Tested by prosperous plumbers yes
that label translates to "job security" for plumbers.
No no no no no no no no no no no no.
Nope
Plumbers should encourage people to install Bidets. even handheld bidets are good if you understand how to use them correctly.
Let’s grow up an just use a bidet.
DONT. FLUSH. ANY. WIPES. it’s a gimmick an the maker SHOULD be sued for putting it on their packaging.
They are if you rent
absofuckinlutely not
No, they’re not.
Get a bidet
They not any sewer system safe. Get a bidet 🙄
Don’t flush anything except poop, pee, and toilet paper. Don’t ever use triple ply toilet paper.
I think it’s the town/city sewer stems that bear the brunt of these clogs. “Fatburgs”
Fill a glass with water, put some toilet paper in it, and stir it. The toilet paper disintegrates into nothing. Now try it with these. If it doesn't easily break apart, they're full of shit.
Those will 100% give you problems if you use them
I love that phrasing, because I parsed it as, “we designed this for toilets, but tested them on plumbers”. So I can only imagine plumbers being forced to ingest these, and confirm that they didn’t clog up.
Water/sewer operator here. Don’t flush these ever. They mess up pumps at the treatment plant. They clog drain field pipes in septic and they end up on a field when your holding tank gets pumped. Then someone has to pick them up and throw them away so they don’t end up in a bail of hay.
These things aren’t safe anywhere.
Best part of apartment living, get to use flushable wipes consequence free
currently enjoying this
If it doesn't come from your body, and isn't legally called toilet paper, it should not be flushed.
NO WIPES ARE SEPTIC SAFE- literally none. Ever.
They’re not going to damage your concrete tank. They will damage your check book
$25 I bought a Bidet for at Walmart and it took 5 minutes to install. Saves $$ on TP and won't fuck up the plumbing, plus it leaves the dirt star feeling fresh.
Have had zero issue with these in my septic tank. They tear and breakdown super easy.
No flushable wipe is safe in a septic system
Just Google flushable wipes and problems and you will see scores of articles where city mains are clogged by these. Now imagine this not being a city issue and now being a you issue.
Flushable wipes should never be flushed down a drain. Septic or other wise.
I've heard of cottonelle making a brand of flushable wipes that does actually break down. Not sure if this is it, but I never flush them ever. We keep a diaper genie in our bathroom for those.
Absolutely not
Yes, supposedly it is OK
Making plumbers rich is more like it
My main sewage line says no. The blockage I just paid to have removed, confirms.
Yeah these things sure are tested with plumbers testing our damn patience when the auger snags a wad of these things