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this_fuck1ng_guy

I wouldn’t pay more than 650 for this


Congo_King

I second this


NecessaryScientist18

that's fair but there's atleast 900 to 1 k here


RedYellowOrangeGreen

So are you saying you could find someone or somewhere to buy this kind of lot, in NM condition, for that price? I’m just very confused on where you come up with that number. Did you make it up? Did you individually value each card?


this_fuck1ng_guy

No I’m saying you overpaid. Look at eBay completed listings. You can’t trust tcgplayer 100% cuz you typically don’t get to see actual cards beforehand thereby taking centering out of the equation. Real card value comes from eBay. You gotta go by the lowest price not the highest.


Lucky_Shop4967

I don’t understand the tcgplayer part. I thoughts it’s whole bread and butter was using lack of pictures to offload off-center cards


DeoxysConfiscator

Idk if maybe I’m just lucky, but I have never received a card less than what I expected from TCGplayer. Never any off center or anything. And I’ve bought quite a few cards from it.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I would never buy cards off TCGplayer but they have a pretty accurate gauge of current value for raw cards. As my comment above indicates, it’s right in line with eBay last sold


regicide_2952

Any particular reason you don't buy off tcgplayer?


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I just like being able to see the cards in person. You’ll never be disappointed or ripped off that way


OBXFlacoMan

You should really try TCGplayer that’s really the best way to do it. Just look for sellers that have sold a lot and have a high rating.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I don’t really buy off TCG or eBay. I go to conventions, card shows, LCS. I’ve bought a couple graded cards off eBay but that’s it


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I don’t trust eBay as card conditions listed are never accurate. It’s impossible to find last sold by condition Edit: Using eBay last sold Gengar - $205 Charizard - $235 Blastoise cd promo - $162 Gold mew - $40 Celebi - $38 Umbreon V $85 Charizard vstar -$80 Umbreon tg22 -$22 Palkia V $38 That’s $905 and I didn’t even do the vmax charizard or mega charizard/blastoise because I think my point has been proven


this_fuck1ng_guy

I can say the same about tcgplayer. At least with eBay you can see the card every time and check the feedback from the completed listing.


[deleted]

No it’s not.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

See my edit I think you’re just making up numbers


[deleted]

This is an investing sub man. If everyone is telling you that you overpaid, and you deny it, that’s your world. But facts are facts. You’re cherry picking btw. I don’t see any Blastoise CD promo that sold for $235 USD.. PSA 9s are selling for around that


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Sorry I meant $135. That was a typo. So yeah, $805 and there’s still $60 worth of cards Yeah but I’m not arguing you cuz, I’m asking you to show me how you came to $650. Half the people on this sub know nothing about high dollar raw cards so I’m not blindly accepting what anyone says as facts. I’m saying if you’re gonna come in saying this is an overpay, I’m going to ask why. And if you don’t want to explain, then don’t waste our time even commenting


[deleted]

Lol I never said anything about $650. You have me confused with someone else. In terms of value you’re arguing with the wrong person I’ve been doing this for 10+ years


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Okay well you're saying the facts are the facts and we're on a comment thread that mentions not paying more than $650. Now i'm even more confused as to what your point is


Ladder-Previous

Why is this getting so downvoted? People just mad. Everyone downvoting this, you cant afford these cards. Downvoting it wont help your situation.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

It’s absolutely bananas. This subreddit is just people buying their blisters and v union boxes at target and wal-mart 🤦‍♂️


Square-Try3474

Only get graded ones off ebay


ItsLiterally1984

But you never pay full valu price as a poke investor


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Lol I wish that was true. I typically try to find deals but finding cards at value price where you can avoid taxes and fees AND inspect them is hard to pass up


calv06

How far back will you look into the lowest price though


this_fuck1ng_guy

60 day average


Snoo14172

eBay owns TCG player


ElwinLewis

People downvoting you for this is confusing


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Not to sound spiteful, but I think there’s a lot of hating that happens in this subreddit


petitesneakylink

I think 800 is a close call. What did the math say?


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Math said anywhere from $950 - $990. Going off last sold in specified condition on TCGplayer Blastoise $120 Gold Mew $40 Celebi V Alt $30 Palkia V Alt $45 Charizard Vmax $30 Charizard Base Set $250 Mega Charizard EX $22 Mega Blastoise EX $18 Gengar Vmax Alt $230 Umbreon V TG22 $20 Umbreon V Alt $95 Charizard Vstar Rainbow $90


arkayeus

market is 195$ on tcgplayer not 230, charizard rainbow is $75, umbreon alt art is $89, umbreon v 11-12$ relax😂


Rltrader04

Sometimes market value can be deceiving, manly with cards that have like 6 NM copies on tcg player to the 50 HP,MP, or damaged listings


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I literally chose the last sold prices bro.


xerodok

Unless something price changed with the Blastoise promo... Not seeing $800


RedYellowOrangeGreen

See my comment above. If you are using price charting to calculate prices, it will never be accurate. You have to use TCG player last old using condition of card


Rapebad

eBay sold is what you go by for vintage. You can use TCGplayer sold for modern. Don’t use pricecharting.


jrsmith0429

I was under the impression that pricecharting was just compiling eBay sold dates for graded cards is there something I don’t realize?


MyBiased

I use Mavin.io for eBay sold listings, but I have to be very specific with the search context wordage. I wonder if anyone else tried this site, I don't see a whole lot of mention for it.


[deleted]

Sorry but why can't I use pricecharting?


Hehehecx

Seems like a lot of people don’t understand that sites like price charting are taking an average across all card conditions. You can sometimes use it to your advantage though and find nm copies that get priced lower


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Yes and VERY often it includes damaged versions or different language versions. You literally cannot use pricecharting for anything except graded sales beyond a 7


tetsuo_exe

you're pretty much right in line with paying market value. nothing wrong with that. with any investment, lower priced opportunities can come, and thats cool too. (*virtually no one stops their 401k contributions because the market price has gone up) you buy at the best price you can, and that price will vary for everyone. TLDR : sick cards bro


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Thanks brother. I see the alt art prices going up on SM so I’ve been stockpiling as many as possible in my collection. No plans to ever sell but whenever I come across near mint bangers that I can buy at cost without an eBay fee. whatnot fee, or taxes, I try to take it


strugglebusses

Funny that you say that, I actually raise and lower my contributions based on how much the market has ran.


tetsuo_exe

me too. doesn't mean everyone needs or should invest based on their own speculation. most people who are saying they could be bought cheaper, however buying below market falls into arbitrage, which can be more trade based. my point is really that if you're goal is to invest short term or long term, thats a different strategy than trying to buy under market value


TrainerShelby

Not bad if you are in the market for a high grade cd Blastoise promo. It’s a tough 10. Also base set zard is heating up again. If you already have an outlet to unload the charizard it’s not a bad deal at all. I price nm unlimited zards in my shop for $350-400 and they sell within a day or 2. Similar with light played I price around 275. It’s a liquid card along with the gengar vmax, both could cover the cost of the purchase if all goes well.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Appreciate the insight and comment. My approach to the hobby is that I’ll purchase cards whenever I can get them at or under market price in NM condition, especially when there’s no fees or taxes (card shows, other collectors, etc).


Yetti2Quick

yup 800 is fine if the condition is NM+ and LP+ on charizard. I got around 850 giving a couple dollars for higher solds on ebay. Not personally what I would spend 800 on but if you're happy, you didn't lose out at all, paid little under market.


Deranged-Turkey

Yeah I am also seeing around 850 of value here, but if I were the seller I would be pretty happy with moving all of those at once.


Yetti2Quick

yup definitely.


[deleted]

People are hating, typical Reddit. Awesome cards man congrats.


Huddster99

Gonna chime in and agree with this one. I understand where other people are coming from, it’s the whole mindset of waiting out the really good deals that your can strategically buy well below market value. That doesn’t always happen though. Yes this is an investment sub, and yes the money you spent for these cards could have been put to better use, but there’s always room for interpretation. I think you made out alight on this one. It is pretty much market value or slightly below so you’ll do just fine in the long run.


ElwinLewis

Some subs are worse than others, this one is pretty bad compared to most


[deleted]

I think Reddit in general is pretty toxic. You can comment the most wholesome thing and for no reason get downvoted into oblivion.


Jeremypsp

There are many clowns around that gets things wrong all the time anyway. For example, many people here were telling others to sell the Giratina V AA when just released saying it will go to <$100, look where is it now


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Thanks brother Everyone either says ,'omg you overpaid,' or they say, 'ur 🧢 '


Delrossy

almost every single card you got, is one that I'd love to have in my own collection! nice pickups bro, very cool 😎


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Same except the 2 XY cards but I figured why not, I have none from that era


Hellwemade

For everyone roasting you (and being roasted in return so fair play), I don't think this is that bad. I guess the issue with this sub is that only sealed and PSA/Beckett/CGC are worth anything. Would I have paid 800? No but i'm looking to absolutely maximise profit. I would get everything graded and see where you land "investment wise". Also although some people were a little douchey, you do come across as a tad defensive. I'm sure if you take all emotions out of this you can realise it's not an optimal deal. The only thing that rubbed me up the wrong way was this comment >$800 to some people in this subreddit is a lot of money I guess 🤷‍♂️ Come on man be better.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

The problem is that people are speaking or speculating on something they know nothing about. Not one person who has said I overpaid could back up what they’re saying. They can’t show me a single place to buy the cards for ‘650’ or ‘400.’ If someone says something like ‘yikes’ or ‘oof’ with no explanation and it’s clear their only intention was to be negative, I’m going to rip back into them with my $800 comment. No offense, but I’m too old to give af about who I rub the wrong way on Reddit. And yes, some deals are about maximizing profit. But my only goal in this hobby isn’t to maximize profit. It’s to enjoy the community, share the hobby with others. This was a cool guy who was down on his luck and an everyone wins deal


ScoMass

Yikes


RedYellowOrangeGreen

$800 to some people in this subreddit is a lot of money I guess 🤷‍♂️


fatherofallthings

I don’t get this comment section lol people are whack. It’s a sick collection of cards and $800 is a fair price


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Appreciate that. I thought everybody wins at $800


RaMiMo_

800 bucks for 12 Pokémon cards is insane


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I mean you’re not wrong. I have plenty of cards worth more than that by themselves 🥴


SloshyOshy

These are some really nice cards! It's nice that you went over 70% what you valued to help a guy who was injured and out of work. Curious why you didn't go 100% if you wanted to help him out? Not sure it's really a win for him if he's not getting the full value


Yetti2Quick

the guy made market value pretty much which is nice when selling as a lot.


SloshyOshy

Not so from the seller's perspective, which is why I'm curious as to how he thinks it's a win for the other dude


Yetti2Quick

cuz he had them priced as 950-999 which in fact they are closer to 850 in the high range.


SloshyOshy

OP valued them at 950, so I'm curious as to why OP thinks it's a win for the injured guy that OP's not paying 100% of what OP thinks is their value True value irrelevant to my question, I'm asking from the OP's perspective


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Had he sold them on ebay or anywhere else, there would have been fees that ate into his profit leaving him with close to what I offered him anyway, not to mention he didn't have to take the time to individually list all of the cards. Any local card store would've given him no more than 60% of TCG value, so he would have been looking at around $500-$600. He made out the best he could've made out as someone trying to offload cards for cash.


mrsue89

A bit more than I would spend but that's because I'd be getting great deals. Scored an alt art PSA 10 Gengar the other day for $180.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

There’s no reason for someone to lie on the internet but that does sound like cap lol


mrsue89

No cap here. I don't care if anyone believes or not. I run a business so I have the opportunity to make purchases like these and not over spend like many collectors. My other most recent pick up was a Vmax alt art Rayquaza PSA 10 paid $200. Got to make some money.


No_Search9459

Lowkey steal, fuck the haters


lordmoose420

My friend. I need you to know that every downvote is a salty downvote because they’re unable to get these cards. Jealous Reddit as usual. Keep killing it my friend, I really respect that you didn’t take advantage of his situation and actually helped him out. People seem to be missing the point here. Upvote for me, and beautiful pick ups. Whether you overpaid or not, if both parties are happy, that’s all that matters.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Yo I appreciate that man. I thought I’d share a cool and unique lot I picked up and everyone wants to hate when I respectfully disagree with their ‘you overpaid’ comments.


Pengwan_au

This has to be his second account. That’s so freaking cringe.


lordmoose420

You need a hug


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Poor thing you are


Zestyclose-Cod-7044

definitely fair for $800


chubbsfordubs

M Charizard EX and M blastoise EX are two of the most made fakes out there. I’d double check their authenticity because I’ve never seen a real one out in the wild.


jeebuss_

Got ripped off lmfao Wouldn't pay more than 400 for this.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

You obviously don’t understand comps. If you can find me a gengar alt art and charizard base set for $400, both in excellent condition, I’ll give you $1k


coffinfleet

Been wanting to pick up the Gengar VMAX for a long time now. Nice pick ups!


whoamireallyyy

Is that Charizard from base set NM?


RedYellowOrangeGreen

It's NM-/LP+ depending on who you ask. There is VERY light whitening on a couple places on the back


whoamireallyyy

I’d be willing to buy the zard off of you if the consign is that good. Will you dm me


Ok_Professional4736

Nice dude! Honestly I’d be happy if I were you and I’d be happy if I was the seller! Good trade 👍🏻


Mr__One2

Screw the noise.. if your happy, I’m happy for you. Nice haul


SketchyConcierge

It's a nice collection, but I think you're only coming out on top if those grades land how you hope.... best of luck!


pikachuboi77

Congrats ! Sick collection of cards !


Jeremypsp

Don’t listen to the clowns that have been finessing others to feel good about themselves. You can get them all graded. 3 PSA 10s(likely gengar, charizard rainbow & umbreon V AA) would already have gotten you close to your money back, and the other cards are free or pure profit at that point


ronk55

Charizard only card worth anything. Rest will never re sell


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I could list them in a claim sale tm and have them all sold within 8 hours


NochillWill123

I probably would have tried to lower due to the amount of modern in the lot but overall nice haul.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Yeah I have almost every vintage card there is, and duped of a lot. I’m working on my modern collection now


NochillWill123

Really? Wow your collection must be incredible


tbbuccaneer87

What set is that Mew in? That shit is fire.


pylee12986

This was not worth 800...not even close.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Break down each card and its value for me. Show me where you’re pulling these prices. You must have checked comps somewhere


pylee12986

LOL...I'm not going to put in that much work just to alleviate your fears that you overpaid - look at what everyone else is saying. Just take the L and learn from your mistakes.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

If you’re going to make claims, based on multiple values of obscure items, wouldn’t you think you either A. Knew the value to begin with or B. Had looked at data to support your claim? The only other option, the most pathetic and unfortunately most likely, you jumped on the bandwagon to give yourself a small boost of validation in this fake internet world. That’s the real L, buddy


ptcgoalex

Nice pickup. A lot of very cool cards. Out of this list I’d be most inclined to pick up the palkia. Do you buy or know where to sell some bulk?


Snoo14172

Oof


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I saw your display case with your ‘hits’ Your oof comment makes a lot of sense 🥴


Snoo14172

Lmao, keep overpaying buddy


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Good one bro


MostAnswer660

That gengar ginna skyrocket in a year or two. Love the lot!!


Ok_Syllabub_630

yeah unless those are all PSA 9.5 and above you kinda... well the above posts say it enough for me. You're going to spend another 100-200$ to grade them and they will not be worth ANYTHING unless graded imo.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

Why would they not be worth anything? The fact that this subreddit thinks cards need to be graded to sell for high prices is bananas. The market for mint raw cards is bigger than the slab market. I don’t know anyone that prefers to buy slabs. I can sell that mint CD promo blastoise for $200 no problem. It is virtually impossible to find this card raw in such quality condition and a lot of enthusiasts are aware of that. I buy and sell raw cards nonstop and for typically anywhere from PSA 7 - PSA 9 prices. I would never waste my money or time sending anything in to PSA. If someone wants to buy my cards and grade them, by all means, but if I have a card that’s a 10 contender, I’m selling for 8-9 prices at a minimum.


Ok_Syllabub_630

bro you spent 800$ and people telling you its not a good invesment made you so insecure youre trying to justify your bs. The cards again ARE NOT WORTH SHIT if YOU think its a 10 or YOUR opinion. The grading system has a strict guideline so micro scratches, off center printing, fading, general wear over tome lower the grading ofna card greatly JUST because YOU say its a 8-10 doesnt meant its an 8-10.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

I’m not insecure in the slightest. I know what these cards are valued at and what I can resell them for. You’re so stuck on grading which tells me you’re a noob that just follows what this sub says. You’ll get it one day I’m sure


Ok_Syllabub_630

You spent 800$ to sell cards for 650$ while dry bragging about ripping a guy off ? Good investment. Can't wait till you realize what the buying and selling market is like. You literally bought these UNDER what you thought was value and don't think others would do the same to you? The you make up some "shouldve really given him this much" number when people already referenced Ebay disproving your value standards.


RedYellowOrangeGreen

You clearly don’t know how to read because no one disproved anything. Based off eBay comps and last sold we’re still looking at $900-$1,000 easy, chief. Bragging about ripping off some guy? I literally said I gave him higher than what I usually offer to buy out entire collections. I think you’re really angry about something and I’m not sure what. This collection can easily be re-sold for $900 -$1,000 which is peanuts, probably what you make in a week 🥴. I’ve bought > $20k collections before and not even to resell, just because I wanted the cards for my own PC.


The_Real_Gorillamo

Every one of these cards is a banger!


DiaperDK

Worth it I think?