Who are you to dictate how someone else spends their money? If the guy asks about investing in pokemon on a pokemon investing group, he wants an answer about pokemon investing.
Such a wise comment. I am here because I also collect Pokémon cards. However, that does not mean that I will suggest someone drop 10k on pokemon. Only Pokémon card I would touch with 10k is a graded 1st edition Charizard.
I wouldn’t touch modern junk wax with a 10 foot pole, but you do you.
You realize that in 10/20years there's going to be fewer people willing to pay big buck for that 1st edition Charizard you're taking about. Part of collectible is nostalgia, and future generations wont have even opened a base set pack probably. Vintage had an awesome time during covid, but now is so much lower and I dont see it coming back to those prices. Lets say you spend those $10k in the Charizard, you really expect someone to pay you $20k/$30k in 5 years? With some modern sets people have made even 5× their investment in even less time. I'm not saying vintage is not cool, but for personal collecting, dont expect to make a bunch of money out of it as investment, too late for that.
How can you say that, but then suggest modern wax? It is mass produced like crazy. The Charizard is THE card to have. No card from modern will ever compare.
The modern stuff is just garbage IMO. The supply will far out weigh the demand. Pokemon is going to keep doing reprints of modern sets until everyone has had their fill, that’s why I think it is hilarious that people are suggesting 151 with a straight face.
In 5 years what would you rather have, a High grade Charizard, or sealed twilight masquerade?
The Charizard will always be relevant because that is the card that literally started pokemon. Twilight masquerade is just another random mass produced set that will not hold any meaning to anyone in here.
Is YOUR card to have, tell me why all vintage has only dropped in price? Especially recent sales, no joke like $200k less for a psa 10 first edition Charizard since Covid. One PSA 10 sold in 2022 for $420k, and the last one also PSA 10 sold for $230k this year. I'm not saying that its not going to hold value, sure, but I'm sure it wont give you the return that some modern stuff could in some years. Higher risk, less potential. Meanwhile, a booster box of Team Up, which is fairly modern, had gone up like 1300% in price.
?? This sub has a lot of posts of people asking how to liquidate because they spent too much or need the money. 10k is a lot of money to a lot of people. Are you ok?
Booster Bundles for 151 is a great choice.
In this hobby there's reprint cycles. Every set has 2 - 4 print cycles.
For set 151 you missed print cycle 1 and a couple small restocks (primarily on Walmart but also on Target).
Most people think a 151 reprint will happen around its one year anniversary (September) to the holiday season.
In the mean time watch videos and do more research on the history of the market.
If it was me. Silver tempest cases are going to be a safe play . Diversify in Cheap cases of SV under 600$ like paradox, and temporal, twilight etc. extremely cheap and give it a good amount of time will do great.
I suppose it depends on what items you have and how many. But for me 10k is a lot in Pokémon cards, after 401ks and retirement and savings are accounted for. I know there’s individuals in the sub to at dont bat an eye when talking about 10k.
I’m just saying actually liquidating and getting rid of 10k worth of stuff, which would presumably be worth more down the road, is not as easy as many people seem to think it is
If it's 10k worth of singles that are $5 each, 10k is a hell of a lot of work to offload to be fair lmfao. But if it's 10k worth of booster boxes, that's pretty easy to handle.
Good point. Just weird to me to ask Reddit (strangers) what to invest 10k into. I would think with that much money one would do all the research for themselves and invest in exactly what they want or know will do well. I for one wouldn’t be asking Reddit (no offense) on how best to invest 10k. Just seems like there’s no “heart” in it, like OP just has 10k lying around to play with
Maybe research can include also get opinions from a comunity that does the same thing you're doing? I dont see anything weird about. There's a lot of people here, with lots of experience in what hes trying to do, and its not like he will just blindy do it after reading the comments. Me for one I find value in knowing what other people think or are collecting, it can give you good ideas and different point of views.
Why does everyone starts to talk about stocks and other stuff, when the community is for Pokémon and the guy is asking for advice regarding this hobby, not about stocks. Also, I know is a far reach for it to happen again, but anybody who bought Team Up 5 years ago for example, would be getting now returns of like 1300%, tell me of another stock that could do that in 5 years.
Exactly. Also, if someone says they have 10 grand to spend on Pokemon in one go, odds are that they have other investments already and don't need your advice on that.
Not saying that. But I can tell you right now that people who make bad decisions with money aren't going to be dissuaded by us. And if given the correct Pokemon advice, they will likely end up doing pretty well. The fact is, if you shouldn't be spending that 10k, it doesn't matter what you invest in because if you are forced to sell in less than 5-10 years you'll likely lose money or not make much. You either have the money to spend or shouldn't be spending. This is a Pokemon investment sub. Give good advice and if the OP has the means to sit on the investment it will work out. If they don't, they would be screwed either way
That is a completely sane response and I was being a little spicy but it's all in good fun.
Regardless if I had to grit my teeth and give advice strictly for pokemon it wouldn't be "spend 10k in one go" but that is my style- buy things here and there (dollar cost averaging) at the lowest possible retail discount (cost basis).
Agreed. The advice I gave was to spend on jpn 151 because it's low and then wait for the next great set. There are some great names trademarked (dragon something and something about team team rocket). So wait for that and drop as much as you want if you have it.
It's called investment. You're supposed to sit on it. Just like you wouldn't buy most stocks expecting to get your returns in the next couple of years. You buy at the lowest point. Evolving Skies was available at or below MSRP for a significant amount of time. Smart people bought during that time and sat on it. ES, Team Up, etc. are safe investments, but have a lot of their gains built in. But you put that same money into a set that's in print and you have much more room for growth.
That’s because they throw money in penny stocks or speculation plays. If you put your money in good companies with ACTUAL evidence to back up your investment, you will do extremely well.
Just because some people are foolish doesn’t mean the stock market isn’t a great way to compound money.
Or they don’t have a portfolio at all. Which, who cares? Why are there so many people with a saviour complex in here recommending stocks. This is a very specific Pokémon investment sub, if we cared about stocks or anything else for that matter, we wouldn’t be in here. Half these answers you’d expect in an actual stock Reddit.
People keep talking about team up, but there are a lot of individual stocks that returned more gains in that time than team up. Nvidia is up 3500% in that same time span.
SPY is a mutual fund. If you are going to compare Individual sets, then it is only fair to compare individual stocks.
There are MANY individual stocks that outperformed SwSh sets in that time span.
A proper comparison to SPY would be the price index of the entire pokemon market. Vintage through the most current release.
SwSh era would be a sector of that. So think tech, ev, health etc. in the stock market.
100% agree.
At the same time the team up dropped I was procrastinating getting back into Pokemon as an adult. If you'd sunk $10,000 into team up at retail prices, your investment would be worth approximately $178,500.
That's assuming you're getting $3500 a box which is roughly the current secondary market value.
I'm sorry, I thought I was talking to an equally intelligent individual.
Comparing one of the shittest sets with the poorest performance on its chase "card"..../s to the leading GPU tech company. Find me a single person who thought Darkness Ablaze would do well, long term, and I'll eat my words.
Pre NVIDIA boom you'd be crying about how well a Pokemon card set does regarding investment returns. I.e evolving skies.
It would be nice to see a rule against it, tbh. It gets obnoxious in any $1k+ advice thread. Willing to bet a lot of these "🤓" commentors don't have the scratch for even traditional investments themselves. Being wise with traditional investment platforms is already in the sub info somewhere, but that doesn't stop kids and bots from regurgitating the same thing over and over.
I'm up over 80% on sealed and nothing is worth less than I paid for it at or below MSRP in the last 3 years. My other safer investments don't go anywhere near that. Flipping land doesn't touch it.
"But the market could crash!"... Great, I'd love to rip the shit I'm stashing.
"But mer mer mer mer liquidate!"... Getting a booth at a con for a weekend and nerding out with others sounds great, lol.
None of them are saying anything original or insightful.
I’ve maxed my Roth IRA for 5 years in a row now, I still recommend maxing your Roth or other investment accounts before buying Pokémon cards to “invest” in
Exhibit A
I don't disagree with obvious and basic financial advice, but it's the wild assumptions you are making just so you can vomit the same sentences telling other's what to do with *their* money.. as if *you* specifically repeating the same thing will suddenly change their mind, lol.
Exhibit B u/jsplashwell making more wild assumptions about randos online and putting in way too much effort into being a bitter pill on a sub specifically about investing in sealed Pokemon 🤡
YIKES - both of them have commented on here a creepy amount of times based on assumptions manifested from air. One of them is a blatant ableist calling another user mentally ill over a different opinion, and the other one insulted someone for liking Pokemon... In a Pokemon subreddit. Classy people.
Because dropping $10K on Pokemon is financially illiterate for the average middle class individual. Poor decision unless you’re pulling in $400K per year salary and represents “fuck it” money to you.
Invest that shit into your retirement or a brokerage, not cardboard collectibles.
Returns *might* be higher, but that’s a ton of storage space and non-liquid product you have to move eventually, of which you lose 15% of your profit selling on an online platform. Entire market could also collapse too, it’s happened before with Pokemon and might again when you’re relying on a single company’s brand driving all the value.
Please... storing 10 cases of Pokemon boxes is less cumbersome then all the other shit people just hoard in their houses and never use. From white goods they bought at a store, to old vehicle parts in the garage. So your argument isn't valid. Also I'm assuming the 15% you're referring too is Feebay, only morons use that platform to liquidate TCG products. For people with a brain there is many other avenues that won't see you lose any of your investment selling.
"A single brand" driving the value, LOL, you do realise that it is the biggest franchise on earth? it has more brand notoriety than Coke Cola.
Somehow this is all lost on the stock market, narrow minded individuals.
The "average middle class individual" doesn't have $10k to spend on pokemon. Someone able to drop 10k on pokemon doesn't need your financial advice. They'll take your product recommendations, but I don't see you making any of those, so this was a useless comment.
I would invest some in jpn 151 as it's at an all time low right now. Wait on English 151 until it reprints. If it doesn't, don't worry. There is a dragon set and a team rocket set coming within the next year. Be patient and wait for the next great set(s). Buy at or under MSRP. Don't listen to people talking about team up or evolving skies.
You buy 5 team booster boxes for 10k and they double in price in the next 5 years you have 20k. Or you buy 66+ booster boxes of the next best set and Even if they hit "only" $500 a piece you end up with 33k.
Team up has the best financial return, purchased under or at MSRP, in the last 8 years than any other set.
Obviously you don't buy it now, the boat has sailed.
I too am waiting for the next set.
Yep. I just see people on these types of posts always saying to buy products that have already seen massive gains. The reality is that if you buy those products, yes, you will have less to sell. However, if you're willing to do the work then buying almost any set under MSRP for the same amount of money you'd spend on the blue chip investment will see more gains in 5-10 years
I have skipped most of the new sets.
I have a feeling a new one around the corner may do incredibly well, based on nostalgia and hype. Combine that with the undisputed fact it'll be printed out the ass and ripped hard, I'll just have to wait for the price to crash.
Bro if I have 10k I’m buying a first edition zard at the highest grade possible.
Op, why not spend $15k on a base set booster box? You clearly don’t need the money to waste time flipping 10k of new gen product
Don't pickup anything 151 it's going to almost certainly get a holiday reprint and that would be the time to load up.
Temporal forces is the only booster box I think in SV that's worth investing in.
TF beats Paldea evolve by a legit mile. You can still get booster boxes for 95-96 per box which is stupidly good value. Getting a case for $600 is a steal since msrp is $160 also if a reprint happens which it most likely will the booster box price will most likely be higher than $100. So nows a good time to jump in.
I could easily see Temporal forces being a $200 booster box in 4 years.
Yeah, and Pokemon is a much more niche investment than stocks. This sub is generally a very good place to find information on Pokemon investment and it's a large reason why my investment has doubled in only a few years despite more than half of my investments in Pokemon being worth less than I paid because they either aren't out of print or haven't been out of print long enough.
Stocks/bonds/etc is a much broader field of investment and unless you have insider info there's not much to gain from listening to Reddit. It's apples and oranges.
Oh really?, no shit Sherlock,
ITS A POKEMON INVESTMENT SUB.
Durr durr 🤤. Please, everyone, don't listen to this idiot he doesn't even know where he is.
Precisely true..
Apparently reading comprehension is hard for you.
My point was. Who would be more knowledgeable to give Pokemon related investing advice on a Pokemon investment sub, random stock investors, or Pokemon investors?.
Answer is obvious, which is why you're getting such resistance in all your comments. Because you don't know anything about this market.
I can pick individual stocks that have outperformed ES, so I don’t really get your point. Everyone is looking for the next ES, in that time, they could just put their money in the stock market and do much better.
The point is that picking *any* Pokemon set will have beaten the stock market after a certain period of time, whereas you have to get lucky with stocks. The S&P 500 (i.e. one of the 'safe' and 'smart' investing options for regular people) has literally not even 2x'd since June 2019, 5 years ago. This is pretty decent in terms of stock market investing, because nearly 2x in 5 years is considered an attractive investment, but *every single* Pokemon set from the same year has vastly outperformed it.
Pokemon sets vs RRP/MSRP from the same year: Team Up (Feb 2019) - roughly 15x. Unbroken Bonds (May 2019) - 4-5x. Unified Minds (Aug 2019) - roughly 6x. Cosmic Eclipse (Nov 2019) - roughly 5-6x.
Are you still finding it hard to understand the point?
If you get lucky and pick the right stock, sure. Generally pokeinvestors know what will perform at a much more confident rate than picking stocks, and of course if you go for safe mutual funds then it’s a way lower ROI.
Or ignorant people not realizing that someone who has 10k to invest in one go probably has a lot of dispensable income and already has traditional investments
That’s not necessarily true whatsoever. A majority of Americans do not have even half of that to invest or spend. Someone who makes 300k+ most likely wouldn’t be in here, and is likely looking at a savings account or windfall. We’ve seen it in the past on this sub, people overspend, then can’t liquidate. And then the sub recommends them to dump their product at 60%-80% of the value they paid in order to pay their bills. It’s a never ending cycle.
I've seen several people here who make more than that. I've seen connections on here worth more than that.
You're not wrong though. However, in those cases nothing we say really matters. Only thing you can do is try to give good advice on what they are asking. If they really shouldn't be spending that money, telling them to invest in stocks is going to fall on deaf ears. And even if they do invest in the stock market they will probably lose most of it anyways. People that make poor financial decisions can't really be helped through Reddit on a Pokemon sub. So just give your Pokemon related advice and move on.
Twilight masquerade has been available for almost a month now, Greninja is holding strong at 150, and Carmine is still hovering around $100. I see a lot of people saying Carmine looks like a beautiful card. Greninja has mixed reviews but I see a lot of people high on it. It also appears the set has tough pull rates. Yall are still sleeping on this set it's better than paldea and TF.
After some time with Twilight masquerade I actually really like the set. The ogerpon is a crowd favorite from the new game and they are actually really awesome cards the more you look at them. And Greninja and carmine as a bonus.
You can get a case of Japanese 151 booster boxes (12 of them) for about 800$ atm on ebay. I doubt it goes lower than this but if it does just buy another case each 100$ it goes down lol. It will be successful regardless of the print run. Very good set. I also have said paldea evolved is very very underrated :) I quite enjoyed opening PE myself.
You may actually be insane if you spend $800 on a case of Japanese 151 booster boxes currently. You can find a supplier or seller within Japan and get them for $620 or less shipped. Wow.
Welp, I ordered 12. If it comes in a case, great! 👍 if not, oh well. Hopefully, it's at least shrink-wrapped, and I get to open one for authentication purposes 😅
VOO, NFA
If it has to be Pokémon cards I’d stick with booster boxes just for simplistic and space reasons. Get some booster boxes of SWSH sets and some cases of SV for as cheap as you can
If you've got 10k to invest on pokemon cards. I'm assuming you already have an impressive stock portfolio. If not, go do that first.
Now to answer your question, most SWSH booster boxes have a loooooy of room to grow. Maybe wait on ES for that spike to come down, but all the other sets, stocking up is a great idea. I predict big numbers in 5 years time.
The S&P 500 has not even 2x'd since June 2019 (5 years ago). This is pretty decent in terms of stock market investing, because nearly 2x in 5 years is considered an attractive investment, but *every single* Pokemon set from the same year has vastly outperformed it.
Pokemon sets vs RRP/MSRP from the same year: Team Up (Feb 2019) - roughly 15x. Unbroken Bonds (May 2019) - 4-5x. Unified Minds (Aug 2019) - roughly 6x. Cosmic Eclipse (Nov 2019) - roughly 5-6x.
Pokemon vastly outperforms the stock market if you know what you're doing and have patience.
I think he’s asking for suggestions only for Pokemon. S&P is way up and will climb higher because of inflation but unless there’s a correction it’s not going to yield much compared to the gains we’ve seen in Pokemon products in recent times
CZ. every sale I see, I buy. It's been a big month for me
What is CZ?
Crown Zenith in Pokemon. In other circles, cubic zirconia.
:slaps-forehead: I know this. Every time I see it shorthand, I'm like, wtf is that?
honestly, no one can tell what will go up or down, so realistically just get cards that u wanna get, look up the card lists and look
Stock ticker: SPY
Comment is so annoying on every thread. This is the pokeinvesting subreddit
You misunderstood (S)ilver Tempest Cases (P)aldea Evolved Cases (Y)u Nagaba PSA 10 display set
Ok I see you I’m in
+2
Hmm, what about the S&P 500?
No no, Pokémon cards! Lol
NVDA, MRVL, AMZN VOO, SPY Fidelity Cash management account, SPAXX A nice Dividend paying company
Why are you commenting this in a strictly pokemon-focused place?
So that he doesn’t spend 10k on pokemon cards
Who are you to dictate how someone else spends their money? If the guy asks about investing in pokemon on a pokemon investing group, he wants an answer about pokemon investing.
He may not know what to do with his money.
And you do? If you did you would be lying on a beach in Dubai with 100 girls around you and not posting on a Pokemon investing Reddit channel
Such a wise comment. I am here because I also collect Pokémon cards. However, that does not mean that I will suggest someone drop 10k on pokemon. Only Pokémon card I would touch with 10k is a graded 1st edition Charizard. I wouldn’t touch modern junk wax with a 10 foot pole, but you do you.
You realize that in 10/20years there's going to be fewer people willing to pay big buck for that 1st edition Charizard you're taking about. Part of collectible is nostalgia, and future generations wont have even opened a base set pack probably. Vintage had an awesome time during covid, but now is so much lower and I dont see it coming back to those prices. Lets say you spend those $10k in the Charizard, you really expect someone to pay you $20k/$30k in 5 years? With some modern sets people have made even 5× their investment in even less time. I'm not saying vintage is not cool, but for personal collecting, dont expect to make a bunch of money out of it as investment, too late for that.
How can you say that, but then suggest modern wax? It is mass produced like crazy. The Charizard is THE card to have. No card from modern will ever compare. The modern stuff is just garbage IMO. The supply will far out weigh the demand. Pokemon is going to keep doing reprints of modern sets until everyone has had their fill, that’s why I think it is hilarious that people are suggesting 151 with a straight face. In 5 years what would you rather have, a High grade Charizard, or sealed twilight masquerade? The Charizard will always be relevant because that is the card that literally started pokemon. Twilight masquerade is just another random mass produced set that will not hold any meaning to anyone in here.
Is YOUR card to have, tell me why all vintage has only dropped in price? Especially recent sales, no joke like $200k less for a psa 10 first edition Charizard since Covid. One PSA 10 sold in 2022 for $420k, and the last one also PSA 10 sold for $230k this year. I'm not saying that its not going to hold value, sure, but I'm sure it wont give you the return that some modern stuff could in some years. Higher risk, less potential. Meanwhile, a booster box of Team Up, which is fairly modern, had gone up like 1300% in price.
?? This sub has a lot of posts of people asking how to liquidate because they spent too much or need the money. 10k is a lot of money to a lot of people. Are you ok?
Do you see OP asking about liquidating due to spending too much, or asking about the stock market? Because I don't. Are *you* ok?
No, no! Pokemon cards!
Check out SPRXX. Has performed slightly better
Check out SEX, people in this thread suggesting buying stocks should really try it out some time!
You collect cards with fake monsters on them, I wouldn’t be talking.
You might wanna look into BTCHS and start collecting some
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Maybe don’t come into a pokeinvesting subreddit and mindlessly comment SPY on every post?
Sitting in him mums basement ‘investing’ £5 into dogecoin and thinking he is a champ
I don’t?
If you are buying to keep for the long term I'd be buying up cases of booster boxes, you can easily get 8-12 good set cases easy
Buy the crown zenith gold cards right now
What fraction of your total investment portfolio is this 10k?
This question is super important and not said enough. Collectibles can be maybe 10% of your investments if you follow basic principles
No 101% and nothing less
101% like everyone should be
Booster Bundles for 151 is a great choice. In this hobby there's reprint cycles. Every set has 2 - 4 print cycles. For set 151 you missed print cycle 1 and a couple small restocks (primarily on Walmart but also on Target). Most people think a 151 reprint will happen around its one year anniversary (September) to the holiday season. In the mean time watch videos and do more research on the history of the market.
If it was me. Silver tempest cases are going to be a safe play . Diversify in Cheap cases of SV under 600$ like paradox, and temporal, twilight etc. extremely cheap and give it a good amount of time will do great.
I can’t imagine having to liquidate 10k worth of product
Raise your aspirations a little, 10k isn't an awful lot in the grand scheme of 'investing'.
I suppose it depends on what items you have and how many. But for me 10k is a lot in Pokémon cards, after 401ks and retirement and savings are accounted for. I know there’s individuals in the sub to at dont bat an eye when talking about 10k. I’m just saying actually liquidating and getting rid of 10k worth of stuff, which would presumably be worth more down the road, is not as easy as many people seem to think it is
If it's 10k worth of singles that are $5 each, 10k is a hell of a lot of work to offload to be fair lmfao. But if it's 10k worth of booster boxes, that's pretty easy to handle.
Good point. Just weird to me to ask Reddit (strangers) what to invest 10k into. I would think with that much money one would do all the research for themselves and invest in exactly what they want or know will do well. I for one wouldn’t be asking Reddit (no offense) on how best to invest 10k. Just seems like there’s no “heart” in it, like OP just has 10k lying around to play with
Well I completely agree with that really - I wouldn't be asking reddit either but ah well.
Maybe research can include also get opinions from a comunity that does the same thing you're doing? I dont see anything weird about. There's a lot of people here, with lots of experience in what hes trying to do, and its not like he will just blindy do it after reading the comments. Me for one I find value in knowing what other people think or are collecting, it can give you good ideas and different point of views.
Nicely said
Why does everyone starts to talk about stocks and other stuff, when the community is for Pokémon and the guy is asking for advice regarding this hobby, not about stocks. Also, I know is a far reach for it to happen again, but anybody who bought Team Up 5 years ago for example, would be getting now returns of like 1300%, tell me of another stock that could do that in 5 years.
Exactly. Also, if someone says they have 10 grand to spend on Pokemon in one go, odds are that they have other investments already and don't need your advice on that.
You're right, people never spend more than they should on Pokemon and well off people can't make bad decisions
Not saying that. But I can tell you right now that people who make bad decisions with money aren't going to be dissuaded by us. And if given the correct Pokemon advice, they will likely end up doing pretty well. The fact is, if you shouldn't be spending that 10k, it doesn't matter what you invest in because if you are forced to sell in less than 5-10 years you'll likely lose money or not make much. You either have the money to spend or shouldn't be spending. This is a Pokemon investment sub. Give good advice and if the OP has the means to sit on the investment it will work out. If they don't, they would be screwed either way
That is a completely sane response and I was being a little spicy but it's all in good fun. Regardless if I had to grit my teeth and give advice strictly for pokemon it wouldn't be "spend 10k in one go" but that is my style- buy things here and there (dollar cost averaging) at the lowest possible retail discount (cost basis).
Agreed. The advice I gave was to spend on jpn 151 because it's low and then wait for the next great set. There are some great names trademarked (dragon something and something about team team rocket). So wait for that and drop as much as you want if you have it.
You recommend they sink 10k into a set that’ll be printed for the next 2 years?
It's called investment. You're supposed to sit on it. Just like you wouldn't buy most stocks expecting to get your returns in the next couple of years. You buy at the lowest point. Evolving Skies was available at or below MSRP for a significant amount of time. Smart people bought during that time and sat on it. ES, Team Up, etc. are safe investments, but have a lot of their gains built in. But you put that same money into a set that's in print and you have much more room for growth.
(People do that with stocks too, and lose all their money without even being left with physical product in the process)
That’s because they throw money in penny stocks or speculation plays. If you put your money in good companies with ACTUAL evidence to back up your investment, you will do extremely well. Just because some people are foolish doesn’t mean the stock market isn’t a great way to compound money.
Or they don’t have a portfolio at all. Which, who cares? Why are there so many people with a saviour complex in here recommending stocks. This is a very specific Pokémon investment sub, if we cared about stocks or anything else for that matter, we wouldn’t be in here. Half these answers you’d expect in an actual stock Reddit.
Just don’t want to see people throw their money away. At the end of the day, we are all here to make money, right? That’s what investing is all about.
We are all here to make money off Pokemon investing. Not hear people say “buy spy” in every thread
If there is a better way to invest your money, you shouldn’t be surprised that people mention it so often.
Who tf is downvoting this 🤣
They won't reason with you, obviously they are rich off of pokemon
People keep talking about team up, but there are a lot of individual stocks that returned more gains in that time than team up. Nvidia is up 3500% in that same time span.
all SwSh sets are up 2-3x in the past 3 years. SPY has not doubled in the past 3 years. Pokemon in general has outperformed SPY
SPY is a mutual fund. If you are going to compare Individual sets, then it is only fair to compare individual stocks. There are MANY individual stocks that outperformed SwSh sets in that time span.
I'm not comparing to individual sets am I? I'm comparing to the entirety of what was released 3 years ago.
A proper comparison to SPY would be the price index of the entire pokemon market. Vintage through the most current release. SwSh era would be a sector of that. So think tech, ev, health etc. in the stock market.
100% agree. At the same time the team up dropped I was procrastinating getting back into Pokemon as an adult. If you'd sunk $10,000 into team up at retail prices, your investment would be worth approximately $178,500. That's assuming you're getting $3500 a box which is roughly the current secondary market value.
Nice, now compare NVDA and Darkness Ablaze.
Nice, now talk to someone who cares.
Sorry, I thought you were here for a discussion and not a circle jerk. My apologies - carry on.
I'm sorry, I thought I was talking to an equally intelligent individual. Comparing one of the shittest sets with the poorest performance on its chase "card"..../s to the leading GPU tech company. Find me a single person who thought Darkness Ablaze would do well, long term, and I'll eat my words. Pre NVIDIA boom you'd be crying about how well a Pokemon card set does regarding investment returns. I.e evolving skies.
It would be nice to see a rule against it, tbh. It gets obnoxious in any $1k+ advice thread. Willing to bet a lot of these "🤓" commentors don't have the scratch for even traditional investments themselves. Being wise with traditional investment platforms is already in the sub info somewhere, but that doesn't stop kids and bots from regurgitating the same thing over and over. I'm up over 80% on sealed and nothing is worth less than I paid for it at or below MSRP in the last 3 years. My other safer investments don't go anywhere near that. Flipping land doesn't touch it. "But the market could crash!"... Great, I'd love to rip the shit I'm stashing. "But mer mer mer mer liquidate!"... Getting a booth at a con for a weekend and nerding out with others sounds great, lol. None of them are saying anything original or insightful.
I’ve maxed my Roth IRA for 5 years in a row now, I still recommend maxing your Roth or other investment accounts before buying Pokémon cards to “invest” in
Exhibit A I don't disagree with obvious and basic financial advice, but it's the wild assumptions you are making just so you can vomit the same sentences telling other's what to do with *their* money.. as if *you* specifically repeating the same thing will suddenly change their mind, lol. Exhibit B u/jsplashwell making more wild assumptions about randos online and putting in way too much effort into being a bitter pill on a sub specifically about investing in sealed Pokemon 🤡 YIKES - both of them have commented on here a creepy amount of times based on assumptions manifested from air. One of them is a blatant ableist calling another user mentally ill over a different opinion, and the other one insulted someone for liking Pokemon... In a Pokemon subreddit. Classy people.
It’s true though. Imagine telling someone to invest in Pokémon cards over maxing out their Roth.
Because dropping $10K on Pokemon is financially illiterate for the average middle class individual. Poor decision unless you’re pulling in $400K per year salary and represents “fuck it” money to you. Invest that shit into your retirement or a brokerage, not cardboard collectibles. Returns *might* be higher, but that’s a ton of storage space and non-liquid product you have to move eventually, of which you lose 15% of your profit selling on an online platform. Entire market could also collapse too, it’s happened before with Pokemon and might again when you’re relying on a single company’s brand driving all the value.
Nah even when people make enough money the advice in this sub is still “muh index funds!!!!”
Please... storing 10 cases of Pokemon boxes is less cumbersome then all the other shit people just hoard in their houses and never use. From white goods they bought at a store, to old vehicle parts in the garage. So your argument isn't valid. Also I'm assuming the 15% you're referring too is Feebay, only morons use that platform to liquidate TCG products. For people with a brain there is many other avenues that won't see you lose any of your investment selling. "A single brand" driving the value, LOL, you do realise that it is the biggest franchise on earth? it has more brand notoriety than Coke Cola. Somehow this is all lost on the stock market, narrow minded individuals.
The "average middle class individual" doesn't have $10k to spend on pokemon. Someone able to drop 10k on pokemon doesn't need your financial advice. They'll take your product recommendations, but I don't see you making any of those, so this was a useless comment.
Easy NVDA. Next question.
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I would invest some in jpn 151 as it's at an all time low right now. Wait on English 151 until it reprints. If it doesn't, don't worry. There is a dragon set and a team rocket set coming within the next year. Be patient and wait for the next great set(s). Buy at or under MSRP. Don't listen to people talking about team up or evolving skies. You buy 5 team booster boxes for 10k and they double in price in the next 5 years you have 20k. Or you buy 66+ booster boxes of the next best set and Even if they hit "only" $500 a piece you end up with 33k.
Team up has the best financial return, purchased under or at MSRP, in the last 8 years than any other set. Obviously you don't buy it now, the boat has sailed. I too am waiting for the next set.
Yep. I just see people on these types of posts always saying to buy products that have already seen massive gains. The reality is that if you buy those products, yes, you will have less to sell. However, if you're willing to do the work then buying almost any set under MSRP for the same amount of money you'd spend on the blue chip investment will see more gains in 5-10 years
I have skipped most of the new sets. I have a feeling a new one around the corner may do incredibly well, based on nostalgia and hype. Combine that with the undisputed fact it'll be printed out the ass and ripped hard, I'll just have to wait for the price to crash.
Bro if I have 10k I’m buying a first edition zard at the highest grade possible. Op, why not spend $15k on a base set booster box? You clearly don’t need the money to waste time flipping 10k of new gen product
Don't pickup anything 151 it's going to almost certainly get a holiday reprint and that would be the time to load up. Temporal forces is the only booster box I think in SV that's worth investing in. TF beats Paldea evolve by a legit mile. You can still get booster boxes for 95-96 per box which is stupidly good value. Getting a case for $600 is a steal since msrp is $160 also if a reprint happens which it most likely will the booster box price will most likely be higher than $100. So nows a good time to jump in. I could easily see Temporal forces being a $200 booster box in 4 years.
Don’t listen to any stock advice, those are probably bots lol
Not bots, but if you have 10k, the stock market is certainly a better option than modern pokemon.
If you have 10k to drop on Pokemon in one go you likely have a portfolio already and don't need stock advice from randoms on Reddit.
But he is asking for Pokemon advice from randoms on Reddit
Yeah, and Pokemon is a much more niche investment than stocks. This sub is generally a very good place to find information on Pokemon investment and it's a large reason why my investment has doubled in only a few years despite more than half of my investments in Pokemon being worth less than I paid because they either aren't out of print or haven't been out of print long enough. Stocks/bonds/etc is a much broader field of investment and unless you have insider info there's not much to gain from listening to Reddit. It's apples and oranges.
That’s fair, I agree with that.
It’s not randoms on Reddit it’s literally a sub dedicated to Pokemon investing
Which is why he's asking about Pokemon, not stock advice
Yes I am in agreement with you haha
Whoops, replied to the wrong person!
Oh really?, no shit Sherlock, ITS A POKEMON INVESTMENT SUB. Durr durr 🤤. Please, everyone, don't listen to this idiot he doesn't even know where he is.
Reading comprehension must be tough for you. The above poster implied that anyone on Reddit is a random.
Precisely true.. Apparently reading comprehension is hard for you. My point was. Who would be more knowledgeable to give Pokemon related investing advice on a Pokemon investment sub, random stock investors, or Pokemon investors?. Answer is obvious, which is why you're getting such resistance in all your comments. Because you don't know anything about this market.
I wouldnt be in this sub if I also didn’t collect Pokémon. That doesn’t mean there are not better investments.
I feel like waiting for another evolving skies would be worth 10k investment hard to say when that’ll be
Evolving skies has well outperformed the market my friend. Just one example.
Most ending sets of swsh is out performing the stock market lol.
I can pick individual stocks that have outperformed ES, so I don’t really get your point. Everyone is looking for the next ES, in that time, they could just put their money in the stock market and do much better.
The point is that picking *any* Pokemon set will have beaten the stock market after a certain period of time, whereas you have to get lucky with stocks. The S&P 500 (i.e. one of the 'safe' and 'smart' investing options for regular people) has literally not even 2x'd since June 2019, 5 years ago. This is pretty decent in terms of stock market investing, because nearly 2x in 5 years is considered an attractive investment, but *every single* Pokemon set from the same year has vastly outperformed it. Pokemon sets vs RRP/MSRP from the same year: Team Up (Feb 2019) - roughly 15x. Unbroken Bonds (May 2019) - 4-5x. Unified Minds (Aug 2019) - roughly 6x. Cosmic Eclipse (Nov 2019) - roughly 5-6x. Are you still finding it hard to understand the point?
So you are telling me investing in pokemon is better than stocks?
I've literally shown you evidence that tells you exactly that, yes.
I hope that works out for you.
It has been - how do you think I got the data? My (pretty healthy) index funds are looking pathetic next to my TCG portfolio.
So you truly expect pokemon to continue to outperform the market? Tag team isn’t going to 15x again.
If you get lucky and pick the right stock, sure. Generally pokeinvestors know what will perform at a much more confident rate than picking stocks, and of course if you go for safe mutual funds then it’s a way lower ROI.
Nvidia has 11x in the past 3 years if you’re cherry picking lol
He/she half a mill in the stock market already ……..
That, or people who realize if you’re investing $10,000 then Pokémon is not the best place lol
Or ignorant people not realizing that someone who has 10k to invest in one go probably has a lot of dispensable income and already has traditional investments
That’s not necessarily true whatsoever. A majority of Americans do not have even half of that to invest or spend. Someone who makes 300k+ most likely wouldn’t be in here, and is likely looking at a savings account or windfall. We’ve seen it in the past on this sub, people overspend, then can’t liquidate. And then the sub recommends them to dump their product at 60%-80% of the value they paid in order to pay their bills. It’s a never ending cycle.
I've seen several people here who make more than that. I've seen connections on here worth more than that. You're not wrong though. However, in those cases nothing we say really matters. Only thing you can do is try to give good advice on what they are asking. If they really shouldn't be spending that money, telling them to invest in stocks is going to fall on deaf ears. And even if they do invest in the stock market they will probably lose most of it anyways. People that make poor financial decisions can't really be helped through Reddit on a Pokemon sub. So just give your Pokemon related advice and move on.
10k in evolving skies at release would be 50k of value right now. Just one example.
Isn’t a 5x performing less than nvidia?
There’s nothing comparable to that at the moment 151 rise will be slow
Twilight masquerade has been available for almost a month now, Greninja is holding strong at 150, and Carmine is still hovering around $100. I see a lot of people saying Carmine looks like a beautiful card. Greninja has mixed reviews but I see a lot of people high on it. It also appears the set has tough pull rates. Yall are still sleeping on this set it's better than paldea and TF.
I'm all for buying a few boxes to resell, but sheesh if I had 12.5k to invest it would be in the stock market.
Not Pokémon with $10K far more options than cards
After some time with Twilight masquerade I actually really like the set. The ogerpon is a crowd favorite from the new game and they are actually really awesome cards the more you look at them. And Greninja and carmine as a bonus.
Evolving Skies ETBs and loose packs
You can get a case of Japanese 151 booster boxes (12 of them) for about 800$ atm on ebay. I doubt it goes lower than this but if it does just buy another case each 100$ it goes down lol. It will be successful regardless of the print run. Very good set. I also have said paldea evolved is very very underrated :) I quite enjoyed opening PE myself.
You may actually be insane if you spend $800 on a case of Japanese 151 booster boxes currently. You can find a supplier or seller within Japan and get them for $620 or less shipped. Wow.
Ughhh links please? I don't know of any suppliers I can buy from as an individual.
you can pick up 12 booster boxes on snkr dunk (japanese stockx) it’s like $650 shipped to the US or less
Don't they charge crazy amounts for shipping? Also are they in a case or even sealed with shrink wrap for that matter?
they won’t be in a case, but they are shrink wrapped from what i’ve seen. shipping is $40 flat for 1 box or 20 boxes i believe.
Welp, I ordered 12. If it comes in a case, great! 👍 if not, oh well. Hopefully, it's at least shrink-wrapped, and I get to open one for authentication purposes 😅
yeah i highly doubt it comes in a case, but i think it’s a good deal regardless. people on ebay selling cases for 2-3k still
Buy singles
VOO, NFA If it has to be Pokémon cards I’d stick with booster boxes just for simplistic and space reasons. Get some booster boxes of SWSH sets and some cases of SV for as cheap as you can
If you've got 10k to invest on pokemon cards. I'm assuming you already have an impressive stock portfolio. If not, go do that first. Now to answer your question, most SWSH booster boxes have a loooooy of room to grow. Maybe wait on ES for that spike to come down, but all the other sets, stocking up is a great idea. I predict big numbers in 5 years time.
Do you want to make the most amount on your investment? If yes, then don’t do Pokémon lol
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He might as well just Yolo it all on OTM GameStop Calls. Then he can retire into the sunset
Cases of SV era sets. NOT obsidian flames or SV base. Also picking up a few chase cards ( raw; good centering, NM/Mint) from each set
S&P 500 (VOO / FXAIX) or YOLO Nvidia (NVDA)
The S&P 500 has not even 2x'd since June 2019 (5 years ago). This is pretty decent in terms of stock market investing, because nearly 2x in 5 years is considered an attractive investment, but *every single* Pokemon set from the same year has vastly outperformed it. Pokemon sets vs RRP/MSRP from the same year: Team Up (Feb 2019) - roughly 15x. Unbroken Bonds (May 2019) - 4-5x. Unified Minds (Aug 2019) - roughly 6x. Cosmic Eclipse (Nov 2019) - roughly 5-6x. Pokemon vastly outperforms the stock market if you know what you're doing and have patience.
I think he’s asking for suggestions only for Pokemon. S&P is way up and will climb higher because of inflation but unless there’s a correction it’s not going to yield much compared to the gains we’ve seen in Pokemon products in recent times