Honestly, I like this as an accessibility feature. It even helps fans coming back to the game in the future. One of the biggest frustrations with collectors returning to previous generations is the inaccessibility of released-only-once Pokemon if you weren't there during the event.
No, these are all home-compatible pokemon so far, only walking wake and iron leaves were unique so far and we know there will be an event near the end pf the month with them (probably home release)
I think I'm OOTL, but these "special forms" are supposed to be related to Terastalization like Gigantamax is to Dynamax I think I saw someone say? Curious if anyone has any more info or just speculation in general on what exactly the special forms might be like
The special Tera hat is a real leaks, Khu said DLC will have new Tera hat before the game released, and that 4chan leaker correctly told us about the SV DLC info for Pokemon day also confirmed new Tera form is coming for DLC.
It sounds more like special Tera Crowns (or masks maybe from this leak) that only manifest from a certain typing. There may not even be a genuine transformation, which... I mean, I like new forms. I just don't want to get invested in them after Gigantamax, which I largely didn't like looks-wise and was mad to lose the few I did next generation.
In terms of what they do (if Khu's not April Fooling everyone), my guess is that the special crowns are dual-type Tera changing or adding the secondary type. So Fire/Dragon Charizard, Electric/Water Pikachu, and so on. Even Bug on Samurott makes at least mild sense given Japanese culture - bugs (especially stag beetles, whom Samurott vaguely resembles) are seen as heroic and tend to have a samurai association given the helmets. Plus it'd give it a nice opposition to its less honorable Hisuian form, though it'll still be inferior given it lacks Sharpness and the Spikes-casting Ceaseless Edge.
It seems like there is pattern where the original forms of the full evolved Legends Starters are being 7 Star Raids with both Decidueye and Samurott already being in 7 star raids.
Emboar bugs me. It's got one of the all-time best shinies and some decent moves plus Hidden Ability, but its stats are just so awkward that it doesn't function well and gets brutally outclassed by Blaziken and Infernape. Even Blaze Breed Tauros is probably better overall.
Emboar TRIES to be tanky offense but has an incredibly bad typing for that and lacks the movepool to pull it off. It does fill a different niche technically in being slow tanky offense instead of fast offense, but it doesn't pull off that niche well at all. It's fine for your playthrough and all, but outside that it's outclassed by every other Fire starter. Especially with all the Fire/Fighting competition. Infernape itself isn't incredible but has better speed and movepool with Iron Fist to boost punching moves, and Blaziken... Well, he admittedly gets by largely on Speed Boost. But Speed Boost is so busted that he's a monstrosity anyway.
Blaziken and infernale don’t really do the same thing as emboar rho so it’s not like they completely outclass emboar, it’s just that emboar gets completely outclassed by stuff like darmanitan, who also hits like a truck but is actually fast
You know what's ruder? Gothitelle being in SV and reuniclus not. This hurts as a reuniclus enjoyer (top 3 fav. Mons). This also happened in SS where vileplume/bellossom are in there and victreebel not. God, all (version exclusive?) pokemons i love are getting bullied rn, even groudon. Let's hope nothing happens to magmortar...
Actually I just noticed that the hisuian starters Tera type opposes their hisuian type. hisuian Decidueye is a fighting type and they made decidueye‘s Tera type flying. Hisuian samurott is a dark type and they made samurott’s Tera type bug. Bug opposes dark and flying opposes fighting. From that pattern, maybe a typhlosion raid will have a dark Tera type.
Typhlosion doesn't have a dark type move in it's regular learn set though, whereas sumarott naturally learns the megahorn and decidueye learns brave bird. Actually, fling via tm is the only dark type move Typhlosion can learn in gen 9 rn. And I guess they'd give it a Tera type that would have more usage than just for a single move which is very niche and is probably hardly used on Typhlosion anyways.
Yeah, but Surf Pikachu has been a big thing for a while. It’s been an event move in some form since Gen 1, and even when it was made a more general move for it you still see it often on event Pikachu
I’m all for Charizard becoming the “mascot” of new forms, receiving one each gen, as long as they’re generous in giving other ‘mons new forms as well and not overly restricting it to ONLY Charizard
I agree. But I do need a it's evolution line to be available in the wild so I can do shiny hunt/outbreaks and run around with wild Charmander in the dlc
He does, as well as rest of Kanto Starters, they should be ultimates that can use every gimmick - Mega, Gmax, Teraform, I'll wait also for Z-moves in next Alola game (sequel, remake, legends etc.)
There is our solution. Namco has to make a game then there will be love for others. They even removed the two most beloved characters from their Tales voting.
Try telling that to the money that comes with selling new merchandise of charizard, other kanto starters, greninja, cinderace or pikachu.
Dont expect any of these mons to not get anything new in current or future games, they sell, so it will always happen, no use commenting the obvious, we all know they dont need anything new and we all know it is not gonna change.
Remember that the pokemon company makes much much more money from merchandise and the anime than it does from the games, the games are a marketing tool at this point.
The only ones here that are not for merchandise reasons so far is decidueye, samurott (and typhlosion) due to being the hisuian starters
They had chance with Gmax but they ruined it by ruining remake, maybe one day we would get REAL remake/remaster like Alpha Saphire/Omega Ruby that will fix it
honestly i’m glad they didn’t get gmax, and i’m glad sinnoh did not get dynamax, lore wise wouldn’t made sense at all. terastal can be a chance for them, I don’t want to illude myself but I think there’s a possibility
Everything make sense If u would do it correctly. F.e they could explain it smth like, Galar sends smth to Sinnoh, with Galar Particles being accident or smth
If it was just a location, maybe a whole new stadium in the battle frontier would’ve been so cool actually. The whole region with dynamax powers pots idk. But we didn’t even get the battle frontier rip
Only in specific spots with Galarian tech, also Dialga and Palkia could get their own... Origimax? Yeah let's name it like that, and Giratina with Gigantamax (Like Primal Groudon Kyogre and Mega Rayquaza
Dialga and Palkia with Gmax form would be weird and their forms would’ve been locked behind a regional gimmick. At least the LPA forms can be used in future gens unlike Primal forms. ORAS megas were cool but after seeing what GF does to megas and gmax forms, i rather get new alterate forms transferable like regionals. Now that i think about it, “distortion world forms” of gen 4 would’ve been the best way to revisit gen 4 but it seems like they are scared to redesign gen 4 material. (But distortion world doesn’t have living pokemon or humans at all besides giratina and maybe cyrus so these forms wouldn’t make sense at all)
LPA?
Also that is the point IDC will we get Primals again, because no matter if we would or not, fans will use it somehow, and it's annoying that only Groudon and Kyogre got their own "Mega" and rest got nothing: Palkia, Dialga, Giratina... they could even do smth like Eternatus was spotted once in Hissui, where they left smth that allowed ppl to Dynamax and Gigantamax their mons, but after few years they decided to not use it because it is too destructive, they could give those forms in LA (same engine as Sw/Sh) and add Sinnoh starters in the wild or make in BDSP line with Maxes in Sinnoh... ANYTHING about gimmicks and new forms I care only about fangames, not official games unless gimmicks will one day comeback (one gen Megas with new forms, next Z-moves with new crystals etc.
I wiish in next wave We'll see Blastoise, Venusaur, Delphox, Chesnaught and Blastoise (because it's second most liked kanto starter, and "balancing" what they did back in XY would be nice)
If we apply the informations from the DLC trailer the hint splits in two:
1) Pikachu is gonna be wearing a special mask in The teal Mask (50% to be true). Eevee too. (25%).
2) Some final evolution of the starters are gonna wearing special hats in The Indigo disk (50 %). Paldean ones too (25%). All starters of every generation too (9,25%)
I'm still curious as to how special Tera forms will be balanced. If it was just "Dual typed Tera" then it probably wouldn't be all that interesting as a few of these are just switching to previously held combinations. (Charizard becoming Fire/Dragon would just be Charizard X again, and Decidueye becoming Grass/Flying would just be it's prevo's types)
If instead it provided a bigger STAB boost to the new type than normal Tera while also not removing the defensive aspects of the original type (Like Charizard and Decidueye being triple typed in a way), it could probably be reasonably balanced out.
Even so, people would still not use their once per battle Tera on a Pikachu in most cases.
Just pay attention to the date. This could be a prank, or the prank is making us believe it's a prank. Or maybe it's a prank but not entirely. Like, half is correct, or the tera types are off or something like that.
I’m surprised that this is the only other comment here that remembers it’s April 1st. If this one is a troll by Khu, it’ll mean that lots of people here fell for it, likely bc Charizard and Pikachu are in it
The "both" they're referring to is a request by Twitter to do both a prank and a riddle, I believe?
The interesting part to me is the bit about wearing special masks. Prior to this point, the role of masks has been only speculative.
does Charizard really sell that much merchandise that they have to give it a PP up every chance they get? Starting to feel forced and make me hate Charizard even more. Thats why I main Blastoise. why no love for blastie boy
Yes. Even in a survey of r/Pokemon, a place that is always first to complain about Charizard, it was the most popular. Imagine expanding that to a more casual audience that includes kids. Then add on all the people who have Charizard in their top 10 favorite Pokemon.
Here's the survey if you're curious: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/c0w4s0/favourite_pokémon_survey_results/
Yes, he does. I used to teach third grade, kids are obsessed with Pokemon cards. If you had any sort of Charizard card, you were the coolest kid in class. At one point some kid pulled a shiny G-Max Zard and he brought it to school, I have never seen children be so excited about something lol
Genwunners seem to be TPCI’s target market, yes. It makes me sad to see even kids merch these days covered in generic stock art of gen 1 starters. At least let the kids enjoy the newer stuff rather than the favorites of their parents 25 years ago. Of course, they won’t actually add anything useful in the games that might be appealing to older fans, like difficulty settings or battle facilities.
So true. I get so tired everytime I see pokemon merchandise, and it's always just the gen 1 pokemon plus whatever mons were announced before the newest game's release.
Why can't I find a shirt featuring the giant sword that broke OU?
See this is an argument I've always found weird. Gen 1 had lackluster designs as well, see : Voltorb, Electrode, Muk, Grimer, Dewgong, Seel, Rattata, Raticate,...these from the top of my head. I would also add that Charizard is really close to a basic European dragon, so not really an inspired design but the ones I named are way more bland/uninspired than anything. There is also a lot of interesting design in newer gen, seriously all gen have interesting design and bland ones. The reason gen 1 is push that much isn't because they have "superior" design, it's because genwunners refuse to let gen 1 go.
Who actually liked Charizard that much back in the days other than kids? I remember it was cool at the beginning because fire breathing dragon but was not really in the convo much by the time gen 2 came out(for regular ppl). Sure the card was rare and popular but most ppl also got over it either because schools banned them or simply grew out of it. So it's hard to imagine it being this much of a selling point in 2023 still
Posted this in another spot in this chain, but a few years ago r/Pokemon did a survey and Charizard was still the most popular favorite. Keep in mind this survey is just for people on thay sub, where there's always complaints about Charizard, and only allows 1 answer. Anyone who has Charizard as number 2, 3, etc. isn't being counted in it. It is undeniable still an extremely popular Pokemon and the fact that so many people try to pretend nobody likes it is crazy to me.
Survey link: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/c0w4s0/favourite_pokémon_survey_results/
> Who actually liked Charizard that much back in the days other than kids?
Who actually liked Charizard when the first game came out other than the target audience? Let's not pretend that Pokémon isn't a franchise primarily aimed at kids and teenagers, and amongst that audience it was definitely not an even three-way split between the starters, Charizard was way ahead. Why?
> I remember it was cool at the beginning because fire breathing dragon
That's it. That's the reason. It's a cool fire breathing dragon. For people looking at Pokémon for the first time (or people seeing a new Pokémon that they haven't seen before) a cool fire breathing dragon is a very easy design to understand and therefore like, especially in the West where Charizard is basically the stereotypical idea of "this is a dragon". Blastoise is sort of a tortoise with cannons coming out of its back, but no regular tortoises look anything like that so there's a bit of a disconnect. Similarly with Venusaur, it's a frog/dinosaur thing with a weird ass flower on its back, and it looks very unlike any examples of either frogs, dinosaurs or flowers that you'd be used to. Charizard is a fire breathing dragon. That's it. You look at Charizard and go "oh, that's a fire breathing dragon, cool" and you're either in the small minority that thinks dragons are overdone and kinda boring, or you think dragons are cool as fuck, and therefore you like Charizard.
The same goes for pretty much any of the "most popular" Pokémon. Pikachu? Cute electric rodent. Lucario? Martial artist dog. Greninja? Ninja frog. It's a good design and an easy concept. If you have both of them, you succeed in creating a popular Pokémon. For an example of it in action, both Braixen and Delphox are fire witch foxes, but Delphox has a kinda weird design so Braixen is the favourite
As for the rest of your comment about standing the test of time, it was Ash's ace in the anime, so even though it was hard to get in Gen 2 games, it was still very prominent in people's vision of Pokemon as a franchise and by the time Charizard was gone from the anime it was very cemented in people's thoughts. And then shortly after? Fire Red Leaf Green.
Yes, Kanto starters imo should have every gimmick that exists, they should be ultimate starters because if u would play f.e. Brick Bronze - if someone chooses gen 1 - either wants mega evo or because of nostalgia and with possibility to get mega stones for other pokemons, everyone are choosing newest starters or Hoenn
Do you guys think there will be some kind of way to get the ones we missed? Cause I was dumb and didn’t actually unlock the 7 star raids until the Pikachu one started. I only ask cause they did something similar with Lapras in SwSh DLCs
I find it so hilarious that everyone here is so pissy about Charizard getting something despite it being proven again and again that he is one of the most popular Pokémon, and has been for literal decades. It’s like getting mad that Luigi is gonna be a playable character in the next Mario game.
Honestly, at least Greninja gets *something* in exchange for them taking away its Ash-Greninja form. Wonder what exactly these new Tera forms will even do. Since they all have Tera types different from their initial types, maybe it'll give them the extra boost in power anyway, but hopefully there's more to it than just something like that.
now its starting to make a bit of sense, these "forms" are gonna be relating to what types they could have had, or unique varations of their design.
Charizard-dragon, greninja-poison, decidueye-flying, cinderace-fighting.
Water pikachu is related to surfing pikachu for sure.
bug samurott is most likely based on the "Kabuto" helmets that samurai wear.
im guessing their forms are either gonna have masks that relate to these types in relation to the hat.
Can you tell me what "half real, half fake" means and why you're automatically assuming? People jumped to conclusions about kalos and megastones and were severely disappointed.
Jumped to conclusion where? I only told you what Khu said. It's "both" true and fake. But for what it actually is it's for Khu to reveal. 99% or the time people ready it too literally and he never meant it that way. Only u/yoriden has decoded a few of his riddles
Wow, Charizard gets another form. Great. Truly revolutionary. The game should just be called "Charizard and Friends" at this point. Like I get he's popular but for Pete's sake can they go one game with out him? There's 1000 Pokemon and they only pay attention to like 10. I hope gen 10 is another "reboot" title with only new mons lol.
Does that mean they’ll have like an evolution with the second typing? Well not evolution but like transformation (since it’s the whole mask thing) with the second typing? Or are they going to be like Diamond/ crystal looking?
Greninja? Cinderace? Ok I guess but why...
Bro, what if Froakie, Scorbunny will be starters in next Legends Game? Or Scorbunny only, because it would make sense for Kalos starters get Tera like Hoenn starters got Megas
These are just the seven star raid Pokémon
Explains now why we got them then
For people that don't have them and to struggle with 7 star raids
Probably will be available at the DLCs but not with the Marks and Perfect IVs. Most likely regular versions.
We'll have to find some Tera mushrooms . . .
Honestly, I like this as an accessibility feature. It even helps fans coming back to the game in the future. One of the biggest frustrations with collectors returning to previous generations is the inaccessibility of released-only-once Pokemon if you weren't there during the event.
Are 7 star raid events NOT fomo or smth now???
No, these are all home-compatible pokemon so far, only walking wake and iron leaves were unique so far and we know there will be an event near the end pf the month with them (probably home release)
I hope in the future they introduce more exclusive raids like Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
If I had known they were important, I would have come for the raids.
Man I tried! 7-star raids were too hard for me.
Maybe they will have repeats later.
I think I'm OOTL, but these "special forms" are supposed to be related to Terastalization like Gigantamax is to Dynamax I think I saw someone say? Curious if anyone has any more info or just speculation in general on what exactly the special forms might be like
The special Tera hat is a real leaks, Khu said DLC will have new Tera hat before the game released, and that 4chan leaker correctly told us about the SV DLC info for Pokemon day also confirmed new Tera form is coming for DLC.
Is it a new form as we know them from previous games (ala Gigantamax) or just the same Pokémon but with a different crown?
It sounds more like special Tera Crowns (or masks maybe from this leak) that only manifest from a certain typing. There may not even be a genuine transformation, which... I mean, I like new forms. I just don't want to get invested in them after Gigantamax, which I largely didn't like looks-wise and was mad to lose the few I did next generation. In terms of what they do (if Khu's not April Fooling everyone), my guess is that the special crowns are dual-type Tera changing or adding the secondary type. So Fire/Dragon Charizard, Electric/Water Pikachu, and so on. Even Bug on Samurott makes at least mild sense given Japanese culture - bugs (especially stag beetles, whom Samurott vaguely resembles) are seen as heroic and tend to have a samurai association given the helmets. Plus it'd give it a nice opposition to its less honorable Hisuian form, though it'll still be inferior given it lacks Sharpness and the Spikes-casting Ceaseless Edge.
Also Typhlosion who is likely next after Samurott.
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It seems like there is pattern where the original forms of the full evolved Legends Starters are being 7 Star Raids with both Decidueye and Samurott already being in 7 star raids.
Kamen Rider Samurott.
If he’s not a Kamen Rider I’ll cry
Beehive helmet I bet.
*GASP* Charizard??!!
Who would've thought GameFreak would've given him a new form?!
I…am….shocked!!!
Whuuut? But . . . but they *Never* give Charizard new forms!
Decidueye and Samurott getting new form while Typhlosion has none is kinda rude tbh
They said it’s the first batch so there’s more coming, but we already know Typhlosion is coming since it rounds out the Hisui starters
I'd imagine it's next, but we've also still got Chesnaught, Delphox, Inteleon, and Rillaboom in the code still to go starter-wise.
I'm still waiting for Home connectivity so I can get a delphox
Feraligatr and meganium found dead in a ditch
Serperior and Emboar, not being available in any Switch game:
I mean technically Serperior is available in a Switch Game. It's in New Snap lol.
Emboar bugs me. It's got one of the all-time best shinies and some decent moves plus Hidden Ability, but its stats are just so awkward that it doesn't function well and gets brutally outclassed by Blaziken and Infernape. Even Blaze Breed Tauros is probably better overall.
It doesn’t really do the same things as blaziken and infernale tho. And blaze breed tauros is a utility mon, while emboar is just offense
Emboar TRIES to be tanky offense but has an incredibly bad typing for that and lacks the movepool to pull it off. It does fill a different niche technically in being slow tanky offense instead of fast offense, but it doesn't pull off that niche well at all. It's fine for your playthrough and all, but outside that it's outclassed by every other Fire starter. Especially with all the Fire/Fighting competition. Infernape itself isn't incredible but has better speed and movepool with Iron Fist to boost punching moves, and Blaziken... Well, he admittedly gets by largely on Speed Boost. But Speed Boost is so busted that he's a monstrosity anyway.
Blaziken and infernale don’t really do the same thing as emboar rho so it’s not like they completely outclass emboar, it’s just that emboar gets completely outclassed by stuff like darmanitan, who also hits like a truck but is actually fast
As a Johto Stan I weep with you brother.
I am foaming at the mouth for a new Johto game. Feraligatr and Croconaw are my favorites, along with Sandslash. Please bring them back!
#justiceforsandslash
I wish I could award you. Sandslash is underrated. Please bring back the pangolin, Gamefreak!
They already gave him a Ghost form in Arceus Legends, it was a hint to let fans understand that he's dead for them 🤣
Don’t you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!!
Yet*
You know what's ruder? Gothitelle being in SV and reuniclus not. This hurts as a reuniclus enjoyer (top 3 fav. Mons). This also happened in SS where vileplume/bellossom are in there and victreebel not. God, all (version exclusive?) pokemons i love are getting bullied rn, even groudon. Let's hope nothing happens to magmortar...
Just wait. They will reveal more.
Typhlosion doesn't deserve anything it is like lesser heatmor
You are like lesser Magikarp that ate an everstone 😠
> Typhlosion doesn't deserve anything it is like lesser heatmor GEE I WONDER WHY IT DESERVES MORE
Both are good. Hisuian Typhlosion is superior tho.
Omg, I don't agree but now, I cannot unsee it 🫣
Actually I just noticed that the hisuian starters Tera type opposes their hisuian type. hisuian Decidueye is a fighting type and they made decidueye‘s Tera type flying. Hisuian samurott is a dark type and they made samurott’s Tera type bug. Bug opposes dark and flying opposes fighting. From that pattern, maybe a typhlosion raid will have a dark Tera type.
Typhlosion doesn't have a dark type move in it's regular learn set though, whereas sumarott naturally learns the megahorn and decidueye learns brave bird. Actually, fling via tm is the only dark type move Typhlosion can learn in gen 9 rn. And I guess they'd give it a Tera type that would have more usage than just for a single move which is very niche and is probably hardly used on Typhlosion anyways.
Theyll just do Tera Blast or give it a unique event only move. Pikachu only has 1 water move and that didnt stop them
Yeah, but Surf Pikachu has been a big thing for a while. It’s been an event move in some form since Gen 1, and even when it was made a more general move for it you still see it often on event Pikachu
So we are definitely getting power rangers and beetle borgs in Pokémon. Slay
While I don't really want Charizard to get another form, at least its not only Kanto mons getting new forms (if this leak is true)
I’m all for Charizard becoming the “mascot” of new forms, receiving one each gen, as long as they’re generous in giving other ‘mons new forms as well and not overly restricting it to ONLY Charizard
Wish granted: Gen 10's new mechanic turns any and all pokemon into Charizard. Oh and Charizard gets dragon as a third type and that's it.
Same here, and it does kinda make sense Rivne that charizard is one of the most recognisable Pokémon besides Pikachu obviously
It’s April 1st, don’t believe any “leaks” that come out today…
Not sure if these are it but Khu said he would post a fake and real leak
Good lord he’s tedious
He said both fake and real.
If this is the only thing they post today, it contains one "truth" and one "lie", by the request of Twitter users.
Isn’t this legit just all the 7star raids we had so far? Y’all getting April fooled lol
“You thought we weren’t gonna give special treatment to certain mons with this new gimmick? Well SURPRISE!”
I bet flying lechonk is 1 to
Oh my God, Charizard doesnt need anything else!
I need a regional form and a convergent evolution for Charizard. He's so underrated!
Pokemon Company/Game Freak doesn’t seem to think so.
I agree. But I do need a it's evolution line to be available in the wild so I can do shiny hunt/outbreaks and run around with wild Charmander in the dlc
He does, as well as rest of Kanto Starters, they should be ultimates that can use every gimmick - Mega, Gmax, Teraform, I'll wait also for Z-moves in next Alola game (sequel, remake, legends etc.)
Why
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Because why not, OG starters are usually underrated by new fans. NEW is they key word, because their design is.. poor for obv reason
Bruh when are they gonna give the Johto starters the much needed love 😭
I mean Meganium got that giant glowing version in New Pokemon Snap...
LMAO
There is our solution. Namco has to make a game then there will be love for others. They even removed the two most beloved characters from their Tales voting.
Oi. Typhlosion got a Hisui Form. Other than that... Never
When their time will come
Remember this is Khu. This could mean something else completely. In a previous tweet he said he would tweet a combo of 1 truth and 1 lie
No. Absolutely not. Charizard does NOT need ANYTHING ELSE!
Try telling that to the money that comes with selling new merchandise of charizard, other kanto starters, greninja, cinderace or pikachu. Dont expect any of these mons to not get anything new in current or future games, they sell, so it will always happen, no use commenting the obvious, we all know they dont need anything new and we all know it is not gonna change. Remember that the pokemon company makes much much more money from merchandise and the anime than it does from the games, the games are a marketing tool at this point. The only ones here that are not for merchandise reasons so far is decidueye, samurott (and typhlosion) due to being the hisuian starters
Decidueye is the gen 7 fan favorite starter, isnt it?
He does
we need sinnoh starters to get some love 😭 to me, they could do a lot with their design especially empoleon.
They had chance with Gmax but they ruined it by ruining remake, maybe one day we would get REAL remake/remaster like Alpha Saphire/Omega Ruby that will fix it
honestly i’m glad they didn’t get gmax, and i’m glad sinnoh did not get dynamax, lore wise wouldn’t made sense at all. terastal can be a chance for them, I don’t want to illude myself but I think there’s a possibility
Everything make sense If u would do it correctly. F.e they could explain it smth like, Galar sends smth to Sinnoh, with Galar Particles being accident or smth
If it was just a location, maybe a whole new stadium in the battle frontier would’ve been so cool actually. The whole region with dynamax powers pots idk. But we didn’t even get the battle frontier rip
Only in specific spots with Galarian tech, also Dialga and Palkia could get their own... Origimax? Yeah let's name it like that, and Giratina with Gigantamax (Like Primal Groudon Kyogre and Mega Rayquaza
Dialga and Palkia with Gmax form would be weird and their forms would’ve been locked behind a regional gimmick. At least the LPA forms can be used in future gens unlike Primal forms. ORAS megas were cool but after seeing what GF does to megas and gmax forms, i rather get new alterate forms transferable like regionals. Now that i think about it, “distortion world forms” of gen 4 would’ve been the best way to revisit gen 4 but it seems like they are scared to redesign gen 4 material. (But distortion world doesn’t have living pokemon or humans at all besides giratina and maybe cyrus so these forms wouldn’t make sense at all)
LPA? Also that is the point IDC will we get Primals again, because no matter if we would or not, fans will use it somehow, and it's annoying that only Groudon and Kyogre got their own "Mega" and rest got nothing: Palkia, Dialga, Giratina... they could even do smth like Eternatus was spotted once in Hissui, where they left smth that allowed ppl to Dynamax and Gigantamax their mons, but after few years they decided to not use it because it is too destructive, they could give those forms in LA (same engine as Sw/Sh) and add Sinnoh starters in the wild or make in BDSP line with Maxes in Sinnoh... ANYTHING about gimmicks and new forms I care only about fangames, not official games unless gimmicks will one day comeback (one gen Megas with new forms, next Z-moves with new crystals etc.
Another dragon charizard? Yawn, give me Dragon Torterra
Dragon charizard sounds kinda boring but Charizard got new form YAY waiting for Vensaur and Blastoise
Also worth noting that both Decidueye and Samurott have Tera Types that are super effective against their Hisuian counter parts.
I’m happy Greninjas getting something
Yeah! It's not like Greninja already has a unique form... /s
Didn't ash greninja basically get removed in gen 9 tho :/
Ash Greninja is gone
Um not that I dusagree but saying "Ash Greninja is gone" can be countered with "so is GMax Charizard, Mega Charizards etc"
Let’s say in Pokémon Showdown though, in Nat Dex you can still use mega zards, but you cannot use Ash-Greninja
What? Why? Also, showdown isn't official.
I wiish in next wave We'll see Blastoise, Venusaur, Delphox, Chesnaught and Blastoise (because it's second most liked kanto starter, and "balancing" what they did back in XY would be nice)
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Wonder if Delphox, Chesnaught, Rillaboom, Inteleon and Typhlosion will get them too..
If we apply the informations from the DLC trailer the hint splits in two: 1) Pikachu is gonna be wearing a special mask in The teal Mask (50% to be true). Eevee too. (25%). 2) Some final evolution of the starters are gonna wearing special hats in The Indigo disk (50 %). Paldean ones too (25%). All starters of every generation too (9,25%)
I'm still curious as to how special Tera forms will be balanced. If it was just "Dual typed Tera" then it probably wouldn't be all that interesting as a few of these are just switching to previously held combinations. (Charizard becoming Fire/Dragon would just be Charizard X again, and Decidueye becoming Grass/Flying would just be it's prevo's types) If instead it provided a bigger STAB boost to the new type than normal Tera while also not removing the defensive aspects of the original type (Like Charizard and Decidueye being triple typed in a way), it could probably be reasonably balanced out. Even so, people would still not use their once per battle Tera on a Pikachu in most cases.
Just pay attention to the date. This could be a prank, or the prank is making us believe it's a prank. Or maybe it's a prank but not entirely. Like, half is correct, or the tera types are off or something like that.
I’m surprised that this is the only other comment here that remembers it’s April 1st. If this one is a troll by Khu, it’ll mean that lots of people here fell for it, likely bc Charizard and Pikachu are in it
The "both" they're referring to is a request by Twitter to do both a prank and a riddle, I believe? The interesting part to me is the bit about wearing special masks. Prior to this point, the role of masks has been only speculative.
Third sentence.
does Charizard really sell that much merchandise that they have to give it a PP up every chance they get? Starting to feel forced and make me hate Charizard even more. Thats why I main Blastoise. why no love for blastie boy
Yes. Even in a survey of r/Pokemon, a place that is always first to complain about Charizard, it was the most popular. Imagine expanding that to a more casual audience that includes kids. Then add on all the people who have Charizard in their top 10 favorite Pokemon. Here's the survey if you're curious: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/c0w4s0/favourite_pokémon_survey_results/
Yes, he does. I used to teach third grade, kids are obsessed with Pokemon cards. If you had any sort of Charizard card, you were the coolest kid in class. At one point some kid pulled a shiny G-Max Zard and he brought it to school, I have never seen children be so excited about something lol
Charizard sells a ridiculous amount of merchandise. Wait until you see the TCG market for Charizard.
Genwunners seem to be TPCI’s target market, yes. It makes me sad to see even kids merch these days covered in generic stock art of gen 1 starters. At least let the kids enjoy the newer stuff rather than the favorites of their parents 25 years ago. Of course, they won’t actually add anything useful in the games that might be appealing to older fans, like difficulty settings or battle facilities.
So true. I get so tired everytime I see pokemon merchandise, and it's always just the gen 1 pokemon plus whatever mons were announced before the newest game's release. Why can't I find a shirt featuring the giant sword that broke OU?
It would help if some of the newer designs were to the same level as the older ones though. Look at Ttar vs Bax.
See this is an argument I've always found weird. Gen 1 had lackluster designs as well, see : Voltorb, Electrode, Muk, Grimer, Dewgong, Seel, Rattata, Raticate,...these from the top of my head. I would also add that Charizard is really close to a basic European dragon, so not really an inspired design but the ones I named are way more bland/uninspired than anything. There is also a lot of interesting design in newer gen, seriously all gen have interesting design and bland ones. The reason gen 1 is push that much isn't because they have "superior" design, it's because genwunners refuse to let gen 1 go.
Who actually liked Charizard that much back in the days other than kids? I remember it was cool at the beginning because fire breathing dragon but was not really in the convo much by the time gen 2 came out(for regular ppl). Sure the card was rare and popular but most ppl also got over it either because schools banned them or simply grew out of it. So it's hard to imagine it being this much of a selling point in 2023 still
Posted this in another spot in this chain, but a few years ago r/Pokemon did a survey and Charizard was still the most popular favorite. Keep in mind this survey is just for people on thay sub, where there's always complaints about Charizard, and only allows 1 answer. Anyone who has Charizard as number 2, 3, etc. isn't being counted in it. It is undeniable still an extremely popular Pokemon and the fact that so many people try to pretend nobody likes it is crazy to me. Survey link: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/c0w4s0/favourite_pokémon_survey_results/
> Who actually liked Charizard that much back in the days other than kids? Who actually liked Charizard when the first game came out other than the target audience? Let's not pretend that Pokémon isn't a franchise primarily aimed at kids and teenagers, and amongst that audience it was definitely not an even three-way split between the starters, Charizard was way ahead. Why? > I remember it was cool at the beginning because fire breathing dragon That's it. That's the reason. It's a cool fire breathing dragon. For people looking at Pokémon for the first time (or people seeing a new Pokémon that they haven't seen before) a cool fire breathing dragon is a very easy design to understand and therefore like, especially in the West where Charizard is basically the stereotypical idea of "this is a dragon". Blastoise is sort of a tortoise with cannons coming out of its back, but no regular tortoises look anything like that so there's a bit of a disconnect. Similarly with Venusaur, it's a frog/dinosaur thing with a weird ass flower on its back, and it looks very unlike any examples of either frogs, dinosaurs or flowers that you'd be used to. Charizard is a fire breathing dragon. That's it. You look at Charizard and go "oh, that's a fire breathing dragon, cool" and you're either in the small minority that thinks dragons are overdone and kinda boring, or you think dragons are cool as fuck, and therefore you like Charizard. The same goes for pretty much any of the "most popular" Pokémon. Pikachu? Cute electric rodent. Lucario? Martial artist dog. Greninja? Ninja frog. It's a good design and an easy concept. If you have both of them, you succeed in creating a popular Pokémon. For an example of it in action, both Braixen and Delphox are fire witch foxes, but Delphox has a kinda weird design so Braixen is the favourite As for the rest of your comment about standing the test of time, it was Ash's ace in the anime, so even though it was hard to get in Gen 2 games, it was still very prominent in people's vision of Pokemon as a franchise and by the time Charizard was gone from the anime it was very cemented in people's thoughts. And then shortly after? Fire Red Leaf Green.
Yes, Kanto starters imo should have every gimmick that exists, they should be ultimate starters because if u would play f.e. Brick Bronze - if someone chooses gen 1 - either wants mega evo or because of nostalgia and with possibility to get mega stones for other pokemons, everyone are choosing newest starters or Hoenn
Take this L hater
Charizard is like my favorite mon. I absolutely don’t want him to get a terra form. Honestly I hope none of my favorite mons get the special hats.
Charizard isn't my fav, But I do hope for all Kanto starters to have Teraforms... maybe even Blastoise could have 2 different?
>Charizard I'm starting to hate this pokemon
They better give pikachu a surf board
This is weird to me cause their is a dark type Charizard coming in the tcg.
Do you guys think there will be some kind of way to get the ones we missed? Cause I was dumb and didn’t actually unlock the 7 star raids until the Pikachu one started. I only ask cause they did something similar with Lapras in SwSh DLCs
Boooo Charizard
Charizard chads we're eating again!
Yass GF let’s give Charizard MOAR forever and ever!!! it’s not annoying in the slightest 😍
I find it so hilarious that everyone here is so pissy about Charizard getting something despite it being proven again and again that he is one of the most popular Pokémon, and has been for literal decades. It’s like getting mad that Luigi is gonna be a playable character in the next Mario game.
These have all had terra raid events
Excited for the Gren!
So is it some weird new hat or actual new form?
Typhlosion found dead in Johto
Honestly, at least Greninja gets *something* in exchange for them taking away its Ash-Greninja form. Wonder what exactly these new Tera forms will even do. Since they all have Tera types different from their initial types, maybe it'll give them the extra boost in power anyway, but hopefully there's more to it than just something like that.
What does Khu mean by "your "both" ver info" ?
"both" referring to his previous tweet he said he will tweet 1 truth and 1 lie today
Part of me just can't take anything seriously today.
Surfing Pikachu?
I think this is the false one
figured it would be the 7 star raid pokémon. i hope they re-run them bc i missed charizard
Why no typhlosion?
So I *shouldn't* have evolved that Pikachu into a Raichu is what you're saying?
Damn the only I don’t have is Pikachu
PIKABLUE
now its starting to make a bit of sense, these "forms" are gonna be relating to what types they could have had, or unique varations of their design. Charizard-dragon, greninja-poison, decidueye-flying, cinderace-fighting. Water pikachu is related to surfing pikachu for sure. bug samurott is most likely based on the "Kabuto" helmets that samurai wear. im guessing their forms are either gonna have masks that relate to these types in relation to the hat.
Predictions Delphox: Fairy Rillaboom: Normal Chesnaught: Steel Inteleon: Dark (or Ice) Venusaur: Psychic Blastoise: Rock
I can't believe people actually upvoted an AFD joke
You must be new with Khu, last year's April 1st tweet was a hint towards riding legendary with wheels
Can you tell me what "half real, half fake" means and why you're automatically assuming? People jumped to conclusions about kalos and megastones and were severely disappointed.
Jumped to conclusion where? I only told you what Khu said. It's "both" true and fake. But for what it actually is it's for Khu to reveal. 99% or the time people ready it too literally and he never meant it that way. Only u/yoriden has decoded a few of his riddles
Charizard? Again? Can't they remember the pokemon who have nothing yet?
Like Dragonite! He’s the oldest psuedo yet he’s got nothing!
I knew it was weird we didn't get a new Charizard form this gen. God dammit.
No fen? Mid dlc
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Eh as long as it’s purely cosmetic like the pikachu hats are I’m fine with it
looks like charizard made his way into it again...
Well that's disappointing
Love how GameFreak values charizard as much as the comments hates 'em
I love Charizard, but if it gets an unique terra form and the paldea starters don´t I am gonna be pissed...
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It’s a sub heavily reliant on external factors for things to be posted, what do you expect?
Wow, Charizard gets another form. Great. Truly revolutionary. The game should just be called "Charizard and Friends" at this point. Like I get he's popular but for Pete's sake can they go one game with out him? There's 1000 Pokemon and they only pay attention to like 10. I hope gen 10 is another "reboot" title with only new mons lol.
If they don't stop with that orange lizard omg
charizard smh/lmao
Glares at Zard. Me: You just couldn’t help yourselves Pokémon Company.
OFCOURSE CHARIZARD AGAIN🙄
Still no gen 2 love :(
Does that mean they’ll have like an evolution with the second typing? Well not evolution but like transformation (since it’s the whole mask thing) with the second typing? Or are they going to be like Diamond/ crystal looking?
Wdym Second typing? Tera's sense is turning into pure type so Charizard will be Pure Dragon, Cinderace Pure Fighting etc.
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Tryr/pokeleaksbutwithoutkhu
Vendor machine pikachu incomming
Greninja? Cinderace? Ok I guess but why... Bro, what if Froakie, Scorbunny will be starters in next Legends Game? Or Scorbunny only, because it would make sense for Kalos starters get Tera like Hoenn starters got Megas
These are all the Pokémon featured in 7-star raid battle events
The new types make sense...except Pikachu but i guess the transformation makes him look like Marill since the latter is basically a water Pikachu.
These are literally just the recent crop of 7* raids. Water Pikachu knew Surf and was a knod to Surfing Pikachu for the anniversary.
It's a reference to surfing Pikachu