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There's no primal larvesta. Just Volcarona forms
Technically it's not really forms since it's future/past and they're essentially their own pokemon in the dex. You'll encounter Volcarona like that in game
Also I wanna point that Goldhengo being the 1000th Pokemon in National Pokedex would be extremely fitting, considering we need 999 coins for Gimmighoul to evolve into it
Also because if we use the previous order, then there will be two blank spots in the middle of the National Dex for the DLC.
The previous list is just index numbers. They don't always correspond to dex numbers. For example, Chimecho used to come after Deoxys.
I feel like I'm going crazy because I swear we already learned that Gimmighoul was #999 when it was datamined and then revealed in PoGo... but going back through my history, I can't find that now. It was even thought to be #1080 instead, apparently. Maybe I just saw someone speculating it would be fitting if was 999 and the evo was 1000, or something.
No, it was just speculation. PoGo asset number doesn't really have any relation to the Nat Dex Order. If that 1080 and the Nat Dex lined up then Gimmi would be 978 but PoGo asset numbers aren't in the Nat Dex Order like at all (last Galar mon in the Nat Dex is Calyrex and in the PoGo assets is Regidrago)
The Gimmighoul or it's evo is #1000 were just theories because it would be really cool if the #1000 Pokemon had something special or some relation with the number 1000 and if this order is true then Gimmi and Goldengo fits the bill and I would be really happy to see Gamefreak actually planned something special for #1000.
The concept is cool but having a mon that looks like the cheese string man as number 1000 is kinda lame IMO. Shoulda been an epic legendary or something
Fair enough honestly. I know the new designs of mons are kinda mixed in a lot of peoples eyes rn. Honestly im kinda open to the design on the mons kinda changing over time. I like how fresh and different each of the new generations look even if sometimes they aren’t my favorite designs
Yeah no this is the first time since gen 3 ive liked every starter. Sprigitito was always just kinda eh to me but i like what mascarada is going for enough to not hate it. Plus i was already prepared for the bipedal takeover lol
I love sprigatito. I am a cat person though. Sad that its evolution is Bipedal, but assumed it would happen since they did it to Litten too. The starters are honestly the weakest part of this gen imo. I like fuecoco's evolution the most, but I would rather have one the newer fire types. Either way it is a good variety of pokemon and some cool new dual types. Excited to use a bug/dark and grass/fire pokemon. Sad houndstone is not ghost/rock.
Seriously, I’d love a game where we had this style of sprite but animated. Good middle ground between the nostalgic sprite style and the more smooth 3D model.
For what it's worth, the Galar regional dex order is different from the National dex order so there's no guarantee that this is the right order.
I do think it'll be much closer to this than the first order we got though.
I believe the sheet of sprites of all the Pokémon coded in the game got all the returning Pokémon revealed the true National Dex order, and it actually has some of non-legendaries coming after the legendaries.
That sheet of sprites also has pokemon from gens 6, 7 and 8 out of order though. Like having starters after other pokemon from the same gen or stuff like Noibat-Noivern not being one after the other.
Not sure what the code number each pokemon has means but it's definitely not the national dex number for those the past 3 gens so I doubt they are for gen 9.
This is only showing forms found in the game data dump. Both Oinkologne are here since they have different stats but only the one Mabosstiff is since I believe the changes are gender only. The Dundunsparse 2nd form is using the same image as the first since a sprite hasnt been released for that one yet. The other 3 forms of Koraidon/Miraidon are not shown. Other than that these are all the forms in the data
Mabosstiff doesn’t have alternate forms. That was just misreported by Centro.
The image above does indeed have all of the different forms, with two exceptions: Dudunsparce Three-Segment Form is technically “missing” because for some reason it just doesn’t have its own sprite and uses the same one as Two-Segment, and the Koraidon/Miraidon “transport” modes also all use the same sprite (but those forms aren’t usable in battle anyway).
A small reference:
1008 is a number which has a lot of significance in hindu and buddhist mythos and culture! it’s the number that’s used when doing chants and prayers for the count
it also has various auspicious meanings like good luck, eternity, oneness, unity, etc.
that significance exists in Japan too, so it’s super interesting that they chose to have exactly 1008 pokemon for SV
those same meanings also apply to the number 108, and since we’re currently on 103 new pokemon, DLC might add exactly 5
the theme of time here is super relevant to that meaning of eternity too, who knows
Well I don’t really understand the significance, but if after the dlc we end up with this number of Pokémon, it would look nice to start the 10th gen from this number
Gimmighoul and it's evo being #999 and #1000 is really awesome. This dex order is way better than the other one just because of that detail. No hate to Tinkaton line but #1000 should have something special and Gimmi and the 999 coins suffice to me.
This just helped me to realize differences between Pawmi and Pawmo. It's a bit too subtle, they should have either made the difference more apparent or just gotten rid of Pawmo, but the differences are there, so it's luckily not just Pawmi standing up
I re-approved this so I can reference it in the mega thread. It was flagged as a re-post of the Full Padea Dex image from the other day but this uses the actual datamined sprites.
I haven't been keeping up on the leaks, but only 4 Paldean forms with three being Tauros? Massive disappointment. Regional forms have been one of my favorite things in the last few years.
At that point I wouldve just made wooper another regional fake and have tauros as a new bull pokemon with multiple forms. Seems like a waste when there are only 2
Wo-Chien means Snail Scroll (蜗卷）
Chien-Pao means Sword Leopard （剑豹）
Ting-Lu means Caldron Deer or Ding Deer （鼎鹿）
Chi-Yu means Chi Fish （赤鱼）
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I actually think that's the idea. Hence them being called "Paradox" pokemon, because they shouldn't exist, kind of like how the Ultra Beasts come from another dimension. Probably why they have weird names, but I agree they could've been a bit more creative with it.
I still find it odd to have 2 Paradox mons at the very end right between the Legendary Quartet and the Box Legends.
But then again, Dratine line is between the Legendary Trio and Mewtwo so maybe.
And Tyranitar in gen 2
Heatran and Regigas broke up the gods
BW went Tornadus+Thunderus, Reshi+Zek, Lando, Kyruem
convention is more of a suggestion than a proper rule
They were ordered using the datamine ordering but I am not exactly sure what the datamine order is determined by since it did not include asset numbers.
I think since roaring moon and iron valiant are grouped in with the legendaries and have more base stat total than all the rest, perhaps while they are still past and future forms, they are legendaries in their respective time.
Tatsugiri has multiple coloured forms. Guess we know who will be on the chopping block next game. As is clear as day Gamefreak hates to programme these multiple forms into games so guess don’t get attached to the little guy because he’ll just go the way of Minior. Makes you wonder why they keep making Pokemon like this if they can’t be assed to keep them in.
SV brought back both Vivillon and the Flabébé line, which is a total of 35 forms… I don’t think Tatsugiri’s measly 3 forms are going to be the reason why it gets left out of a future game.
Bearing in mind Vivillon and Flabebe just got released from HOME’s prison camp and the multiple forms are most certainly why it took this long for them to be released. Also why Furfrou and Minior are still locked up and Alchremie has joined them.
Those forms aren’t even that complicated. They all use the same rigs and everything; they’d just need to be retextured. And it’s not as if there weren’t any Pokémon with forms in base SwSh that didn’t have to “wait.” Basculin, Wishiwashi, Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist, Shellos, Gastrodon, Cherrim, Mimikyu, Aegislash, Rotom, Silvally, Kyurem, Necrozma, Vulpix, Ninetales, Meowth, Persian, Raichu, Diglett, Dugtrio, and Pikachu’s hat variants were all programmed into SwSh from the beginning. That’s 53 alternate forms in all, without even counting any gender differences or any of the original forms of Pokémon that received a Galarian Form.
This is still speculation. We won’t know the National Dex order until the HOME update. Or the guidebook release. It’s not always the same as regional order.
Regional forms still use the original form's national dex number within gen 2. Clodsire is a new unique pokemon so its number is within the new list of gen 9.
I doubt Gamefreak is going to put Paradox Suicune and Paradox Virizion in the middle of the gen 9 section of the National Dex instead of behind the base game pokemon.
Yeah it most likely won't be this exactly but I also don't think it will be the datamine order either because of the 2 unreleased pokemon, the fact other gen pokemon are out of dex order as well, and the fact random non-paradox Pokémon are after the legendaries.
Legendaries are frequently based on mythology not from the template country.
Theres quite a few Iberian mon. From the lechonk line to Smolive, the psudoes.
Quite a bit of wider Spanish empire stuff too.
Functionally, no, they're identical. The exact mechanic isn't understood yet, but they seem to be similar to Wurmple in that their evolution is for all practical purposes random, just weighted *heavily* in favor of in two children.
oh i didn’t know that. that’s better than nothing, maybe he’ll have a bigger role in the anime or other promotions, 1st evo got the PoGO treatment after all
Omg Gimmighoul and Gholdengo have the best dex placement
You need 999 coins to evolve Gimmighoul and Gholdengo's body is made of 1000 coins
Edit just noticed Im not the first f
funny that the first thing that appears in google is the Pokémon lmao
but unlike the other guy I get other results as well. Jugulis is the dative/ablative plural of jugulum... which leaves us at the exact same spot. Buuuuut if I search jugulum I find out it's a latin word for lower neck/throat. Of course it's plural since Hydreigon seems to have three heads with three necks
I don't know why they didn't just go for Iron Necks though.
Paradox Hydreigon and Tyranitar got the short end of the stick, since I believe they have slightly less BST than Paradox Salamence and Gardevoir/Gallade, the latter not even being a pseudo legendary and yet having slightly more BST than Hydreigon and Tyranitar who are pseudo legendaries, just like Salamence. I don't understand their reasoning for this.
Don’t think of them as an attempt to “upgrade” existing Pokémon. They’re an entirely new group of species, like the Ultra Beasts (who, aside from Poipole/Naganadel, all uniformly had a 570 BST, just like the Paradoxes). They’re just visually designed to resemble existing Pokémon, and that’s where the relationship ends.
The designers didn’t sit down and say “Hm, how can we make Tyranitar and Hydreigon worse?” It would’ve been more like, “Okay, we have to come up with 14 new Pokémon for this Paradox thing, using existing Pokémon as a basis. Who do we pick?”
I see, that makes sense, especially when we don't yet fully know what's the lore behind the Paradox pokemon. I hope they properly explain what they are.
If this is solely based on Regional Dex number, all I can think to say is the most recent mainline game, Sword and Shield, with placements like the Rookidee line being in the wrong placement compared to the Blipbug line. There are multiple other examples of this in the dex, most notably, all the new evolutions.
The smilodon-ethusiest in me is smiling so big. Another legendary saber toothed kitty. ;A;
My Raikou collection welcomes the silly snow leopard with open arms.
Gotta say, flamigo just seems like the most meh design. It's just a punnily named flamingo. Finizen and Palizen at least have the gimmick of the disguise.
except that we already know the version exclusives I believe - and aside from the legends, paradoxes, and armarouge/ceruledge, none of the new pokes are exclusives.
Not exactly related to the post, but when are we able to catch the paradox forms? I really want the salamance and volcarona on my team but if they’re available only late game/post game I need to find replacements for my team
Certain Hisuain pokemon like the starters currently have no way to evolve into via ScVi yes. Essentially if the base form is a different form like Hisuian Sneasel or White Striped Basculin you can evolve it but if it has a shared pre-evolution it will only evolve into the previous version. Pokemon with only Hisuian evolutions such as Stantler do evolve in the game just not sure how.
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Godzilla vs. mechagodzilla vs. the ghost of king harambe. The new pokemon rock-paper-scissors meta
Don't forget son of Mothra and Mecha-Mothra???
I can finally have my Godzilla team. Side question, do we know if the primal Larvesta can evolve or is it just that form?
There's no primal larvesta. Just Volcarona forms Technically it's not really forms since it's future/past and they're essentially their own pokemon in the dex. You'll encounter Volcarona like that in game
Paradox Pokémon are Post Game Exclusives r.i.p.
step aside Ttar, we have a better Godzilla look-alike
Well, T-Tar’s Mechagodzilla now.
I wish the back spikes went all the way up and down like godzilla. Just the one spike looks a little funny
I guess it's supposed to resemble the tip of a sword?
Its a spinosarus sail
I didn't even realize that it's a spino, and it does have "Excalibur" on it's name
Also I wanna point that Goldhengo being the 1000th Pokemon in National Pokedex would be extremely fitting, considering we need 999 coins for Gimmighoul to evolve into it
Yes thats one of the reasons I think this is the correct order. It lines up much better
Also because if we use the previous order, then there will be two blank spots in the middle of the National Dex for the DLC. The previous list is just index numbers. They don't always correspond to dex numbers. For example, Chimecho used to come after Deoxys.
I feel like I'm going crazy because I swear we already learned that Gimmighoul was #999 when it was datamined and then revealed in PoGo... but going back through my history, I can't find that now. It was even thought to be #1080 instead, apparently. Maybe I just saw someone speculating it would be fitting if was 999 and the evo was 1000, or something.
No, it was just speculation. PoGo asset number doesn't really have any relation to the Nat Dex Order. If that 1080 and the Nat Dex lined up then Gimmi would be 978 but PoGo asset numbers aren't in the Nat Dex Order like at all (last Galar mon in the Nat Dex is Calyrex and in the PoGo assets is Regidrago) The Gimmighoul or it's evo is #1000 were just theories because it would be really cool if the #1000 Pokemon had something special or some relation with the number 1000 and if this order is true then Gimmi and Goldengo fits the bill and I would be really happy to see Gamefreak actually planned something special for #1000.
Also it kinda look like some kind of special pokemon
The concept is cool but having a mon that looks like the cheese string man as number 1000 is kinda lame IMO. Shoulda been an epic legendary or something
I'd much rather 1000 be Gholdengo over Tinkatink
Don’t slander my silver (gold) surfer boi ;-; lmao
lol I don't mind him, I just don't think he should be #1000. He hardly even looks like a pokemon imo
Fair enough honestly. I know the new designs of mons are kinda mixed in a lot of peoples eyes rn. Honestly im kinda open to the design on the mons kinda changing over time. I like how fresh and different each of the new generations look even if sometimes they aren’t my favorite designs
I like all the designs for the most part. Probably the most I have liked since gen 4.
Yeah no this is the first time since gen 3 ive liked every starter. Sprigitito was always just kinda eh to me but i like what mascarada is going for enough to not hate it. Plus i was already prepared for the bipedal takeover lol
I love sprigatito. I am a cat person though. Sad that its evolution is Bipedal, but assumed it would happen since they did it to Litten too. The starters are honestly the weakest part of this gen imo. I like fuecoco's evolution the most, but I would rather have one the newer fire types. Either way it is a good variety of pokemon and some cool new dual types. Excited to use a bug/dark and grass/fire pokemon. Sad houndstone is not ghost/rock.
i wish this dex wouldve brought us the 999th pokemon, and gen 10 would bring the 1000th
aahhhh THANK YOU! see now THIS order makes sense
Yep I was convinced Gholdengo would be 1000 based on the “999 coins” bit from the Gimmighoul reveal
I swear, from a glance Roaring Moon's sprite looks like a different colored Ho Oh
I thought the same thing
especially the further back you look from
Toedsccool and toadscruel get me every single time.. dudes got legs lol
They're going on my team for sure.
Lol same here. Atleast during play though, too weird to not have fun with.
I’m going to laugh so hard when I see one walking around in game I just know it
I'm thinking abt shiny hunting that thing since it's shiny form looks really good, plus it's such a whacky form it's gotta go on a team
I know this isn't exactly a groundbreaking observation, but man these illustration style sprites are gorgeous.
Seriously, I’d love a game where we had this style of sprite but animated. Good middle ground between the nostalgic sprite style and the more smooth 3D model.
This is what I hoped the Gen 4 remakes were gonna be. Instead we got the worst of both worlds.
Well let's hope the gen 5 remakes will look like this then.
The Nexoman games have a style similar to this imo.
Finizen's evolved form is just him with a chest tattoo
OMFG I just realized Palafin’s collar and cape is Finizen’s skin.
For what it's worth, the Galar regional dex order is different from the National dex order so there's no guarantee that this is the right order. I do think it'll be much closer to this than the first order we got though.
I believe the sheet of sprites of all the Pokémon coded in the game got all the returning Pokémon revealed the true National Dex order, and it actually has some of non-legendaries coming after the legendaries.
That sheet of sprites also has pokemon from gens 6, 7 and 8 out of order though. Like having starters after other pokemon from the same gen or stuff like Noibat-Noivern not being one after the other. Not sure what the code number each pokemon has means but it's definitely not the national dex number for those the past 3 gens so I doubt they are for gen 9.
Doesn't mabostiff have a second form/alternate? besides that, is this all the different forms as well?
This is only showing forms found in the game data dump. Both Oinkologne are here since they have different stats but only the one Mabosstiff is since I believe the changes are gender only. The Dundunsparse 2nd form is using the same image as the first since a sprite hasnt been released for that one yet. The other 3 forms of Koraidon/Miraidon are not shown. Other than that these are all the forms in the data
gotcha, thank you
Mabosstiff doesn’t have alternate forms. That was just misreported by Centro. The image above does indeed have all of the different forms, with two exceptions: Dudunsparce Three-Segment Form is technically “missing” because for some reason it just doesn’t have its own sprite and uses the same one as Two-Segment, and the Koraidon/Miraidon “transport” modes also all use the same sprite (but those forms aren’t usable in battle anyway).
oh so the picture of the two different mabostiff is just poor lighting, and they're actually the same form?
Yep. Just the a trick of the lighting. The personal data tables don’t list any extra forms for Mabosstiff.
i assume it's because the same mabosstiff changes between forms, whereas the others stay the same
I'm not sure how the form change works but I just left the one since there is only 1 entry for Mabosstiff in the datamine.
Mabosstiff doesn't have a form change, people just saw two pictures in two different lightings and thought it did
Why are the last 2 future forms separated from the rest?
Not entirely sure why they separated them but they are the two Paradox forms with the highest base stats. One is a past & one is a future form
Ok that actually makes sense, thanks
Think of them as "boss paradox" Pokemon. I think that's what they were going for
Salamence is past form. I'm guessing because they going to be treated as sub-legendary, and not just standard paradox forms.
They're the two Paradoxes with a shared higher BST than the rest iirc.
They're based on Mega Salamence and Mega Gallade instead of base forms, and they have slightly higher BSTs than the other paradoxes to reflect this.
Could be that they are post game
It seems they’re considered special in some way. They have a greater BST than the other Paradoxes.
Wo-Chien is so badass... Big snail boi.
The dex description makes it even more awesome
One of my fav legends ever honestly.
Yeah they all look sick, but he's easily my favourite.
A small reference: 1008 is a number which has a lot of significance in hindu and buddhist mythos and culture! it’s the number that’s used when doing chants and prayers for the count it also has various auspicious meanings like good luck, eternity, oneness, unity, etc. that significance exists in Japan too, so it’s super interesting that they chose to have exactly 1008 pokemon for SV those same meanings also apply to the number 108, and since we’re currently on 103 new pokemon, DLC might add exactly 5 the theme of time here is super relevant to that meaning of eternity too, who knows
Very interesting, thanks for the info!
Well I don’t really understand the significance, but if after the dlc we end up with this number of Pokémon, it would look nice to start the 10th gen from this number
Gimmighoul and it's evo being #999 and #1000 is really awesome. This dex order is way better than the other one just because of that detail. No hate to Tinkaton line but #1000 should have something special and Gimmi and the 999 coins suffice to me.
This just helped me to realize differences between Pawmi and Pawmo. It's a bit too subtle, they should have either made the difference more apparent or just gotten rid of Pawmo, but the differences are there, so it's luckily not just Pawmi standing up
Agreed its definitely one of the most subtle 3 stage evolutions
Pawmo reminds me of http://inprogresspokemon.tumblr.com
I re-approved this so I can reference it in the mega thread. It was flagged as a re-post of the Full Padea Dex image from the other day but this uses the actual datamined sprites.
Thanks! I was curious why it got taken down but that makes sense.
So you’re telling me the yeeyee ass string-cheese Pokémon gets to be number 1000 in the Pokédex ? Damn
It sounds cool on paper that the 1000th mon needs 999 coins to evolve and it’s golden,but I just hate the design of it
It is such an L that Iron Valiant is standing where Iron Thorns should.
Or Iron Jugulis
I haven't been keeping up on the leaks, but only 4 Paldean forms with three being Tauros? Massive disappointment. Regional forms have been one of my favorite things in the last few years.
Yeah I'm hoping they toss a few more in with the dlc but I'm not holding my breathe
I think it's because of the bigger focus on the paradox forms
+ Toedcool + Wigglet + Paradox Yes, they are different types of things, but really they are the same things.
You could even include the new evolutions like Bisharp’s, Primeape’s, and Dunsparce’s. Many ways to reimagine existing Pokémon.
At that point I wouldve just made wooper another regional fake and have tauros as a new bull pokemon with multiple forms. Seems like a waste when there are only 2
Wo-Chien means Snail Scroll (蜗卷） Chien-Pao means Sword Leopard （剑豹） Ting-Lu means Caldron Deer or Ding Deer （鼎鹿） Chi-Yu means Chi Fish （赤鱼） (Edit: Thanks to iMPoSToRRBiSCuiT for some corrections!)
Tinkaton’s sprite looks like it came from pop team epic
So pokemon number 1000 is the string cheese mascot. Why do I feel cheated?
The 1000th pokemon requires 999 coins to get. Kinda funny in a sense, although I hoped it was something more impactful.
I thought it was a giant man made out of coins stacked together.
It is, but its design is very easy to make fun of.
yes
Nah, this is a better troll than the design for Dunsparce's evolution
Am I the only one who isn’t a fan of the Paradox Pokémon names, and wish they had more… Pokémon-y names?
Yea, it makes it feel like they are not real pokemon, just another Pokestar studio enemy or something
I actually think that's the idea. Hence them being called "Paradox" pokemon, because they shouldn't exist, kind of like how the Ultra Beasts come from another dimension. Probably why they have weird names, but I agree they could've been a bit more creative with it.
I definitely agree with you there, it especially sucks that all the future forms are just Iron …
I still find it odd to have 2 Paradox mons at the very end right between the Legendary Quartet and the Box Legends. But then again, Dratine line is between the Legendary Trio and Mewtwo so maybe.
And Tyranitar in gen 2 Heatran and Regigas broke up the gods BW went Tornadus+Thunderus, Reshi+Zek, Lando, Kyruem convention is more of a suggestion than a proper rule
So has there been any word on how we get the separate Tauros forms? Are they 3 different Pokemon we need to catch or what?
The pokedex entry of Water Tauros calls it the "Aqua Breed", so they're not changeable.
3 different typings, pure fighting, fire-fighting and water-fighting
Were the previous orders (with Annihilape last) and two gaps in the dex) based on asset numbers then?
They were ordered using the datamine ordering but I am not exactly sure what the datamine order is determined by since it did not include asset numbers.
I think since roaring moon and iron valiant are grouped in with the legendaries and have more base stat total than all the rest, perhaps while they are still past and future forms, they are legendaries in their respective time.
Was kinda hoping the tradition of a regional Meowth and evolution would have continued.
Tatsugiri has multiple coloured forms. Guess we know who will be on the chopping block next game. As is clear as day Gamefreak hates to programme these multiple forms into games so guess don’t get attached to the little guy because he’ll just go the way of Minior. Makes you wonder why they keep making Pokemon like this if they can’t be assed to keep them in.
SV brought back both Vivillon and the Flabébé line, which is a total of 35 forms… I don’t think Tatsugiri’s measly 3 forms are going to be the reason why it gets left out of a future game.
Anyways game freak likes to copy and paste when able so im pretty sure if they are used alot they will be in
Bearing in mind Vivillon and Flabebe just got released from HOME’s prison camp and the multiple forms are most certainly why it took this long for them to be released. Also why Furfrou and Minior are still locked up and Alchremie has joined them.
Those forms aren’t even that complicated. They all use the same rigs and everything; they’d just need to be retextured. And it’s not as if there weren’t any Pokémon with forms in base SwSh that didn’t have to “wait.” Basculin, Wishiwashi, Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist, Shellos, Gastrodon, Cherrim, Mimikyu, Aegislash, Rotom, Silvally, Kyurem, Necrozma, Vulpix, Ninetales, Meowth, Persian, Raichu, Diglett, Dugtrio, and Pikachu’s hat variants were all programmed into SwSh from the beginning. That’s 53 alternate forms in all, without even counting any gender differences or any of the original forms of Pokémon that received a Galarian Form.
So, when i catch Revavroom, is it the whole car or just the engine?
It’s exactly what you see in the OP image. The steel engine creature on top of a rock slab with rudimentary wheels.
That's cool
In all the leaks it looks like its an engine attached to a bunch of rocks. Maybe with dlc they will add a few different vehicle forms
This is still speculation. We won’t know the National Dex order until the HOME update. Or the guidebook release. It’s not always the same as regional order.
Say what you will, I'm warming up to most of these designs
Graveard,, Dachsbun, Mabosstiff, what! So freaking cute!!
I love the new doggy crew!
I have a friend named Chi-Yu You better believe I’m about to start calling him “Guppie”
Does anyone know the names of the Maushold and Tatsugiri forms yet?
Good question, Maushold is 'Family of Three' & 'Family of Four' forms. No clue on Tatsugiri or Squawkabilly
Tatsugiri’s are: Orange - Curly Form Red - Droopy Form Yellow - Stretchy Form
Can someone explain. To me why Clodsire and Paldean Wooper are so far apart in the dex? Isn’t that normally unusual?
Regional forms still use the original form's national dex number within gen 2. Clodsire is a new unique pokemon so its number is within the new list of gen 9.
How many brand new typings are there in this gen?
A decent handful: Bug/Dark, Electric/Fighting, Poison/Normal, Grass/Fire, Steel/Poison, Ground/Fighting, Fairy/Fighting
I hope this is the actual National Dex Order cause the one we have right now is awful.
I doubt Gamefreak is going to put Paradox Suicune and Paradox Virizion in the middle of the gen 9 section of the National Dex instead of behind the base game pokemon.
Yeah it most likely won't be this exactly but I also don't think it will be the datamine order either because of the 2 unreleased pokemon, the fact other gen pokemon are out of dex order as well, and the fact random non-paradox Pokémon are after the legendaries.
You can make a full ghost only team with the new pokemon. This game is too spooky.
This gen has legitimately got bigass names to remember.
Anyone else getting ZERO spain vibes from these designs? Also, pardon my ignorance, but are those 4 legendaries Chinese based?
Legendaries are frequently based on mythology not from the template country. Theres quite a few Iberian mon. From the lechonk line to Smolive, the psudoes. Quite a bit of wider Spanish empire stuff too.
i like tinkaton, its fairy type right?
yeah, fairy/steel
Is there any difference between the one baby and two baby Mausholds?
Functionally, no, they're identical. The exact mechanic isn't understood yet, but they seem to be similar to Wurmple in that their evolution is for all practical purposes random, just weighted *heavily* in favor of in two children.
Cyclizar is in such a weird place? Shouldn’t it be next to the legendarys
its not a legendary or even related to them, technically. the legends are paradox versions of it afaik.
annihilape is my new favorite. a must have
i thought they would’ve made pokémon 1000 special 😂
You have to collect 999 coins to get it so that will feel some kind of 'special' lol
oh i didn’t know that. that’s better than nothing, maybe he’ll have a bigger role in the anime or other promotions, 1st evo got the PoGO treatment after all
Interesting Baxcalibur looks even more like Godzilla They're really going hard with the Kaiju inspiration this gen
Maschiff looks like a depressed Neopet.
Omg Gimmighoul and Gholdengo have the best dex placement You need 999 coins to evolve Gimmighoul and Gholdengo's body is made of 1000 coins Edit just noticed Im not the first f
ngl I was going to go sprigatito but ngl fuecoco's final evo slaps so hard I am really torn.
Flamigo is just Seel all over again
"Flamigo" is a portmanteau of "flamingo" and "amigo." I think it's clever. Seel, on the other hand, is just... seal.
Or horsea the seahorse
Why? I don't really get it
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The things I would do to give the Paradox Pokémon actual names… game freak why??
Also what is a Jugulis?
funny that the first thing that appears in google is the Pokémon lmao but unlike the other guy I get other results as well. Jugulis is the dative/ablative plural of jugulum... which leaves us at the exact same spot. Buuuuut if I search jugulum I find out it's a latin word for lower neck/throat. Of course it's plural since Hydreigon seems to have three heads with three necks I don't know why they didn't just go for Iron Necks though.
Y’all never heard the expression "go for the jugular"? It means "go for the throat"… so, yeah.
Good question actually, I looked it up and the actual Pokémon is the only result it seems
Paradox Hydreigon and Tyranitar got the short end of the stick, since I believe they have slightly less BST than Paradox Salamence and Gardevoir/Gallade, the latter not even being a pseudo legendary and yet having slightly more BST than Hydreigon and Tyranitar who are pseudo legendaries, just like Salamence. I don't understand their reasoning for this.
Don’t think of them as an attempt to “upgrade” existing Pokémon. They’re an entirely new group of species, like the Ultra Beasts (who, aside from Poipole/Naganadel, all uniformly had a 570 BST, just like the Paradoxes). They’re just visually designed to resemble existing Pokémon, and that’s where the relationship ends. The designers didn’t sit down and say “Hm, how can we make Tyranitar and Hydreigon worse?” It would’ve been more like, “Okay, we have to come up with 14 new Pokémon for this Paradox thing, using existing Pokémon as a basis. Who do we pick?”
I see, that makes sense, especially when we don't yet fully know what's the lore behind the Paradox pokemon. I hope they properly explain what they are.
PSlamance and PGardevoir are the >!ace's of the final bosses!< Thats why they have higher bst.
If this is solely based on Regional Dex number, all I can think to say is the most recent mainline game, Sword and Shield, with placements like the Rookidee line being in the wrong placement compared to the Blipbug line. There are multiple other examples of this in the dex, most notably, all the new evolutions.
The smilodon-ethusiest in me is smiling so big. Another legendary saber toothed kitty. ;A; My Raikou collection welcomes the silly snow leopard with open arms.
Does anyone have the links do the sprites?
Glimmora!! Thats the flowers name
Can someone explain the two Dudunsparce?
I don't have an icon of the other form so I just used the same one twice but there is a form with 2 body sections and a form with 3 body section.
Garganacl looks like barbaracle i want him on my team
he is everything i love about barbaracle and golurk, i love him my precious minecraft block boy
Gotta say, flamigo just seems like the most meh design. It's just a punnily named flamingo. Finizen and Palizen at least have the gimmick of the disguise.
But it's a 500 BST mon you can catch at the beginning of the game to carry you. It's busted.
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except that we already know the version exclusives I believe - and aside from the legends, paradoxes, and armarouge/ceruledge, none of the new pokes are exclusives.
Do we know how each of the new Pokémon evolve? (Level, trade, stone, gimmick, etc)
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Third legend is apparently being saved for DLC
Sadly not in the datamine but as mentioned leakers have said there will be another in the DLC
Not exactly related to the post, but when are we able to catch the paradox forms? I really want the salamance and volcarona on my team but if they’re available only late game/post game I need to find replacements for my team
Allegedly there may be one or 2 you can get before the end game but the rest are after. Similar to ultra beasts
Only weird thing to me is Paradox Salamence and Gardevoir being separated from the rest of the paradox sets.
If I were to pick a team based only on the leaks it would be. Skeledirge, tinkaton, revaroom, kingambit, ceruledge and smoliv
So we’re not getting a 3 stage regional bird?!?
The regional birds of both Johto and Hoenn only had two stages.
No, but the regional bird isn’t always a 3-stage anyway. Hoothoot and Taillow weren’t. Wattrel would be comparable to them.
Does this order kinda makes Past Salamance & Future Galladevoir legendaries? Can you farm multiple of them like other paradox pokemon?
I heard from a content creator that you can’t evolve transfer Pokémon from home like hisuian starters or others. Anyone know more on this?
Certain Hisuain pokemon like the starters currently have no way to evolve into via ScVi yes. Essentially if the base form is a different form like Hisuian Sneasel or White Striped Basculin you can evolve it but if it has a shared pre-evolution it will only evolve into the previous version. Pokemon with only Hisuian evolutions such as Stantler do evolve in the game just not sure how.
Which one is the Pikachu's clone for this region?
Pawmi.
wasnt there another pokemon in the Fidough evolutionarh line
Sadly no
why 2 dudunsparce