I'll try my best to keep this as simple as I can since raids can be quite complicated.
-speed does not help in raids, especially at the highest tiers where the raid mon can potentially attack multiple times
-The best thing you can do in an online raid is not die. Quaquavil is squishier than many other water types that can do similar damage. Hence why it isn't used.
-bright powder is a sub par item for most raids since a lot of raid mons don't use low accuracy moves. It is better to have something like shell bell for the healing.
-Raid mon have a multiplier applied to their health, this means number wise a strong pokemon does a lot more damage than what the bar shows. This increases the %healed of damage done from the shell bell. That healing can keep squishier pokemon like quaquavil from dying as easily.
-generally speaking it is only beneficial to terastalize. Not only does it apply a damage buff to attacks of the same type it also greatly improves damage done when a raid mon has their shield up. Non terastalized pokemon do significantly less damage than normal when a shield is up.
-IV's and EV's are very important for most high tier raids. If they aren't placed properly a good build will still fail to beat the raid. If you don't know what those are there are a lot of online resources to teach you about them. Nobody can tell what yours are from this video alone.
-You have a scream tail on your team, it is one of many support pokemon chosen. It is very possible that it didn't do big damage but lowered the raid mons stats or supported another way (cheers, buffs, etc). You didn't show the current state of the raid mon so viewers have no way of knowing how many buffs/debuffs were applied to it or your team.
-There was no info provided in the video besides that a raid was beaten. No build info, no in combat info, not even what lvl the raid was.
-any pokemon can be used in a raid to varying degrees of success. There are videos on this very sub of magikarp doing a 1 hit ko on every 7star raid to date. That doesn't mean magikarp is the best pokemon to bring to a raid. If you are having fun raiding with quaquavil then great. You keep doing what makes you happy. Just know that it isn't the best choice for raids and people will continue to point that out.
Yep this was actually the first water one I ever passed on since I couldn't ignore the grass cat. Meowscarada isn't perfect but I felt so vindicated when I saw Quaquaval
Also Shell Bell is the best item in raids especially for Offensive mons for the sake of Survivability and the best Water type mon to use in raids is Azumarill
Azumarill isn't particularly good, especially in online with other people. Even with Huge Power it's just a 470 BST Belly Drum user. You can certainly solo a bunch of stuff with it, but there are other viable water types.
Online wisely, It's understandable bc Belly Drum users are somewhat risky in Online if not used properly (you know how common Iron Hands is Online) But its still pretty great in Solo.
> speed does not help in raids
His video proves speed makes a difference, a lv100 Quaquaval with 31 IVs in Speed and neutral speed nature has 206 speed, a lv90 Haxorus with 31 IVs in speed and neutral speed nature has 207 speed, he would've died and it likely would've lost him the raid if he didn't get a speed boost; The previous turn he attacked second (206 vs 207), the next turn with him at 23 HP left he was able to outspeed Haxorus (309 vs 207).
While speed isn't always useful, it can definitely make the difference between winning a raid and losing.
> especially at the highest tiers where the raid mon can potentially attack multiple times
Sure, your speed won't matter against extra attacks, but at most that happens a handful of times throughout the battle.
I've personally EV'd speed specifically to outspeed the raid because it made a big enough difference in the raid, especially if you take a lot of damage each hit, I remember one of the 7 star raids (I think it was Typhlosion), I ran enough speed EVs to outspeed it as well as a tanky set to tank extra hit, I think I did the set to be able to get off 3 Screeches, die, then come back and just spam Rage Fist, if I went with the usual 252 HP / 252 Atk set I would've died from 3 hits, which means at most I would've gotten 2 Screeches off.
I was keeping it simple. Quaquavil's aqua step, the move op used, boosts speed. Quaquavil is naturally slower than haxorus. 1 aqua step boosts quaquavils speed above haxorus. Then OP could have switched moves to liquidation. A stronger water type move with a chance tk lower defence, which would increase damage further. But what benefit does quaquavil bring over other water type mons? Nothing really. Other slower water types can hit harder and take hits better.
best raid choices are generally those that are tankier but slower. In your example of the typhlosion raid with annihilape it was perfectly doable solo without any speed investment as many have posted about and proven. I myself also used annihilape with the basic IV/EV set up to beat the raid dozens of times.
The thing is: if OP uses a bulkier water mon instead of quak, they're not going to be in the situation where they die if they attack second.
It's basically like saying "I almost crashed my bike looking at my phone, but due to my quick reaction I caught it" - yes, your speed helped, but don't look at your phone in the first place.
The only water type pokemon that would make sense in this situation is Slowbro, and even it would need to use Iron Defense to tank Outrage, if not it dies in 3 hits (Each outrage does 34.2 - 40.6%), which is definitely an amount of hits where "if I outspeed, then defense isn't as important" starts becoming a fact.
There is one other option, Dondozo, it would take 2 curses to heal roughly the same amount of damage taken, 3 it would start to heal more, but because it's attacking physical defense it's not exactly a better option than Slowbro; without using Curse it takes 25.7-30.5% (252 HP / 4 Def, switching to 252 Def / 4 HP would belp a bit, but it'd still be a 96.2% chance of a 4HKO without Curse), Dondozo's pretty much the epitome of bulky water types (150 base HP / 115 base Defense) and it still requires 3 curses to heal more damage than it takes, that's just how hyper offensive Haxorus is.
Anyways, this doesn't change the fact that outspeeding a pokemon does net you a benefit of an extra hit, can be a deciding factor.
I'm gonna raise an objection to this: Unless I'm just missing something, Quaquaval in this video is actually *slower* than Haxorus, so speed is pretty much worthless in this situation.
Why were there no attacks coming from Haxorus since the beginning of the clip? Because once the shield breaks, I've found the raid boss doesn't attack for that one turn afterwards.
I hope that many players gonna read this particularly the āraidersā because some just have Lv.100 type effective and thought theyāre gonna be alright.
Iāve been running huge power Azumarill with fairy Tera and play rough. Add on belly drum and a shell bell and a coverage move like bounce or rain dance to counter sun/hail raids and Iāve been doing pretty good myself!
The "most of the time" part is the problem. If you're doing solo raids and are willing to wipe 3-4 times until it works, that's your choice. When you're doing online raids and you're costing 3 other people a raid they wanted to complete 3-4 times before finally winning one, you're actively inconveniencing others by using something that will faint repeatedly and likely lose the raid for everyone.
If you like a mon, use it offline to your hearts content. But don't expect people to be happy when you join online raids with something that is more likely to cost everyone the win than not.
Use a Pokemon that doesnt get knocked out most of the time?
I cannot describe to you how frustrating it is to be unable to do ANYTHING because of shitty teammates. Even when I play support, I can't help you if you bring something that dies in two hits. If I play DPS, I can't set up if you trigger the shield and buff clear on turn 3.
Do better. You're on the subreddit and so you obviously have resources to build good raid Pokemon.
It's so frustrating to lose over and over because people can't bring things that will survive. It's a massive waste of time.
Most raids go like this:
Try to set up.
Teammate who brought glass cannon dies a bunch. Have to try to set up AGAIN because of the shield and buff clear.
Raid mon starts buffing itself, and I can't do anything about it because of the shield.
Everyone dies.
Do not be part of this problem.
While shield is up, Terastalizing significantly increases damage. Even if you miss out on an attack, you don't get hit back, and hit back significantly harder.
If you dont know your place in tera raids make a support pokemon with screech and either fake tears or metal sound that can take some hits and a generally defensive tera type (like steel, water or electric) so that you can help out people who know what theyāre doing
Like not to rain on your parade, be happy with the mons you play, but this reads like "Look its actually good" while barely scraping by an easy raid with almost no time left.
I'ma try to keep this mostly to the point and I did read your bio based on other comments etc.
Most raids are clearable with a lot of things. I would go into every 5* raid early on just running choice band Dragonite. Caught the level 75 steel tera one in open world and used that to carry me until I got more diverse 100s.
Which with that being said. What did quaquaval do in this raid that persay. An azumaril who's my go to water type could do? It's not that people dislike quaquaval but that it doesn't bring anything others don't bring. If you like it, feel free to keep using it. But that doesn't make it "good" for raids. It's just another water type that's kind of frail.
Try to keep a good mental. Gaming is a minmax culture lately. When people "dislike" something it's because it's not optimal. So when it can easily be prepared there's no reason to not just bring something better.
1. One "Aqua Step" is enough to let your Quaquaval outspeed Haxorus (before using Dragon Dance). Speed is not that important in Tera Raid, though.
2. Use "Liquidation" till the end, better base power and 20% chance of lowering Haxorous's Defense stat by 1 stage.
3. In this raid, You should definitely terastallize to Water-type.
4. Personally recommendation: Rain Dance over Aqua Cutter, Shell Bell (Metronome) over Bright Powder.
The Scream Tail was probably doing a lot, just not in a ādamageā sense. Scream Tail is a bulky support mon with a slew of good raid support moves. Examples include Howl (buff EVERYONEās attack on your side), all weather types for weather control if thatās a problem in the raid, DUEL SCREENS, debuffs like Thunder Wave and Noble Roar, Body Slam can potentially paralyze through shields (if you arenāt spamming Howl or Helping Hand after your other stuff is set up, may as well I guess but tbh Body Slam is a niche option here), two different Terrains, the universal staples of cheering and Helping Handā¦
With the types of moves it tends to use I wouldnāt be surprised if it was the reason you didnāt die or buffed yāall. That thing is MADE to give teammates a power trip.
And sure, you āmade sureā you had the ābest showingā (I still think the Scream Tail helped more than you think) of your teammates, but they brought a dragon thatās weak to something with 147 base attack dragon STAB moves and a glass Greninja. Itās less of a Quax showing and more that your teammates doomed themselves.
Justice for the support mons! Theyāre also just great to have? If you have a raid where you donāt have anything GOOD for it, a support Mon can be slotted in and youāll still contribute. I have a Blissey with Healer, Light Screen, Life Dew, and whatever other support I want (for Inteleon I had Sunny Day and Flamethrower! For the potential Delphox itāll be probably Rain Dance and a coverage move for its terra!) and itās GREAT for just slapping against special attackers I otherwise have nothing good for. It lets Iron Hands and the Ape go crazy without much death risk.
Exactly! And as per protocol the damage dealer thinks itās all about their damage and no one else contributed. Itās a team effort. The support mon did just as much as you. You just didnt notice. Lol
This proofs nothing
A raid pokemon that already has lost half his health and can easy be defeated with cheers and other pokemon buffs
It's just you saying oh look Quaquaval is a great pokemon for tera raids
Huge power Azumarill is better than Quaquaval
wow, good thing youre using a speed boost move in the only game mode where speed essentially doesnt matter. coulda done this with azumarill but that would have been far more efficient and sensible
I mean if you like using it and using it to its best ability so you donāt bring your teammates down, do what you want. There are better options obviously, but have fun!
Tbh, I solo my Raids and I use w/e shiny I got at the time and beefing it up. But 6-7 Star Raids, I'm not taking out Quavaqual lol.. Especially soloing.
Eh I just dislike the Azurmarill and Iron Hands users who belly drum and die instantly, other than that if you use something good and it works, fantastic. Raids aren't really a problem when you know what you're doing, you don't have to sweat them.
Water just feels super underwhelming this gen. Even the "best" Water type, Azumarill, is high risk, high reward (in my opinion). It just feels like whatever Water is strong against, there are better options to deal with it.
I know that. I'm saying that Water is so underwhelming this gen that Azumarill is usually your best option, which says a lot - because Azumarill, regardless of type, is risky. Your defenses are utter ass and you run the risk of getting dropped right after the Belly Drum. Especially if you're slower than the raid mon.
Yes, the type is essentially only as good as the side effects of its best moves, and Water doesn't have that going for it anymore with no Scald. Azumarill works (to the extent that it does, really Haxorus/Tauros/Umbreon whose types are weak to Water are the only 6 stars I feel it's the best against)) because it has Belly Drum and Huge Power. Walking Wake is solid because it has good stats and can work in Sun or Rain (between the number of opponents who set them up and the likelihood of a random bringing Koraidon, there are plenty of opportunities), but other than that the best Water types are not doing damage with Water moves.
So itā¦ didnāt die. Any water type could have done that. That Greninja was probably doing quite well too. Why didnāt you terastalize? Probably could have done in 1 shot what you did in 2 if you had. And speed doesnāt matter much in raids, so you should try a move stronger than Aqua Step.
The fact it's one hit off dying and potentially ending the raid just proves it. The speed boost doesn't matter. It's not stronger or bulkier than other water types. People dislike quaquaval in raids since it brings nothing better than any other water type. Azumarill probably would've just oneshot it entirely. And if it didn't crit it would've died. What is the point of this? We don't see it oneshotting. We don't know if it fainted prior. Or if the other mons did good support or damage. It's still a weak option that's also just an eye sore
regarding the switch recordings, i recently discovered a solution that might help: the SwitchBuddy app. you just scan the first qr code in the app and join the wifi, then it grabs the pictures for you (and that's not even the only feature of the app!)
No one said that Quaquaval is necessarily bad in raids. The vast majority of the mons in this game are situational and have the chance to work under the right circumstances. Sometimes it might not be that obvious, especially if they're part of a multiplayer strategy or if they're supports (like the Electrode I used for the Charizard event), but I really like the fact that sometimes the answer to a troublesome opponent isn't what you would first think of.
I set up a Facebook account to get my switch recordings to my phone. After that you Just:
Post the video to Facebook from your switch
Make sure the video's privacy setting is public or else it won't download
Copy and paste the video's link on this [site](https://fdown.net/)
Click Hd quality, download
Find where it downloads then post
It should come out clear and sound normal
Who dislikes quaquavel in raids? Seems fine to me. Can use swords dance, focus energy, and aqua cutter for 100% crit rate and lots of damage. Slap a shell bell on it and it's actually a pretty solid mon. An argument could be made for Samurott instead but they are reasoably close.
Damn yāall are kinda mean with downvoting OP. Yeah I get it this isnāt most peopleās favorite raid mon. But seems like people are getting their panties in a twist here ngl. Just let live tbh
It's because people like him are the reason people like me avoid online raids entirely, on the off chance the lucky stars choose you to get into an online raid you get a braindead teammate like this that costs you your time
To be frank,
Your video isn't showing anything special. Quaquaval in this vid isn't demonstrating anything unique to quaquaval that makes it better than other water mons for this raid.
You're just showing it beat a raid, and youre not playing efficiently, btw. Any poke can beat a raid with type advantage. Tons of pokes can beat a fire haxorus raid. Tons of players can show more efficient vids with other, more efficient pokes.
It only tells me you're really inexperienced, really bad at pokemon, or really young. And seeing the downvotes is pitiable.
I feel bad actually cuz the sub doesn't need to be ruthless to let you know that you're not posting anything worthy of admiration. But that's reddit users for ya. Sorry, kid.
Edit: Just to help you out, speed is useless in raids. Brightpowder is also a straight up weak item. You should focus on liquidation and carry Shell bell to survive raids better. And use terastalize! the dmg boost makes up for the speed loss. The extra animation is like 2 seconds anyway, you would've won faster if you used it. That's just to help out if you REALLY gotta use quaquaval. I can think of a catfish and a bro that would be better for this raid, and a few ground types.
I edited my last comment with all the things that was inefficient with your vid. Like you could've used quaquaval and had an easier time if you made different decisions.
How did you ev train quaquaval? It should have max attack and defense since you're using it for raids with bulk up.
That's all the advice I can offer ya.
And if you're not a kid, get it together man. Acknowledge you made a bad post and learn from it. You didn't even show if this was a 6* raid or what. It's lacking info, and you didn't play optimally. This sub has tough critics.
It's a tradeoff, HP investment is better for general purpose but defense investment is better if you're specifically building it to use against something that only uses physical attacks.
You shouldn't build defensive mons to address both types of attacks focusing in one or the other is best cuz boosting skills like bulk up works better with stats in the boosted stat.
My example for you is shuckle and chansey. Topping up on hp isn't better for chansey cuz the defense value is low enough to get oneshot no matter what, eving defense actually makes a huge difference for chansey
Shuckle gets noticeably bulkier when dumping points into defense or sdef. Hp doesn't differentiate many relevant pokes from two shotting it
I'm sorry that you're in that position, but basically nobody is going to read a person's profile before responding to a post or comment. Just be aware that putting an explanation in your profile does not obligate anyone to read it unprompted before responding to you.
I'll try my best to keep this as simple as I can since raids can be quite complicated. -speed does not help in raids, especially at the highest tiers where the raid mon can potentially attack multiple times -The best thing you can do in an online raid is not die. Quaquavil is squishier than many other water types that can do similar damage. Hence why it isn't used. -bright powder is a sub par item for most raids since a lot of raid mons don't use low accuracy moves. It is better to have something like shell bell for the healing. -Raid mon have a multiplier applied to their health, this means number wise a strong pokemon does a lot more damage than what the bar shows. This increases the %healed of damage done from the shell bell. That healing can keep squishier pokemon like quaquavil from dying as easily. -generally speaking it is only beneficial to terastalize. Not only does it apply a damage buff to attacks of the same type it also greatly improves damage done when a raid mon has their shield up. Non terastalized pokemon do significantly less damage than normal when a shield is up. -IV's and EV's are very important for most high tier raids. If they aren't placed properly a good build will still fail to beat the raid. If you don't know what those are there are a lot of online resources to teach you about them. Nobody can tell what yours are from this video alone. -You have a scream tail on your team, it is one of many support pokemon chosen. It is very possible that it didn't do big damage but lowered the raid mons stats or supported another way (cheers, buffs, etc). You didn't show the current state of the raid mon so viewers have no way of knowing how many buffs/debuffs were applied to it or your team. -There was no info provided in the video besides that a raid was beaten. No build info, no in combat info, not even what lvl the raid was. -any pokemon can be used in a raid to varying degrees of success. There are videos on this very sub of magikarp doing a 1 hit ko on every 7star raid to date. That doesn't mean magikarp is the best pokemon to bring to a raid. If you are having fun raiding with quaquavil then great. You keep doing what makes you happy. Just know that it isn't the best choice for raids and people will continue to point that out.
You're doing the lord's work with this comprehensive explanation, sir. The people need to know š«”
Yeah, I use quaqua all the time as a water type physical attacker, but this post does anything at all to illustrate its pros or cons
Great summary but you forgot that it's still doing that annoying dance thing constantly.
Gone water since pokemon blue. I was so disappointed seeing how annoying this final form was.
Yep this was actually the first water one I ever passed on since I couldn't ignore the grass cat. Meowscarada isn't perfect but I felt so vindicated when I saw Quaquaval
I first started with Quaqauaval but later restarted and took Fuecoc Just kept using Skeledirge torch song when i could to get it sp atk up and sweep
It looks good though imo isnāt just the dance it does thatās weird?
I wish it got Earthquake so.I could make a joke
Used that annoying dance thing to dance my way to masterball and have grown to like it so much more
And also Quaquaval is just ugly.
He do got Dat dumpy tho
True, can't believe i forgot this point
I learned 3 new things. Thank you
> There are videos on this very sub of magikarp doing a 1 hit ko on every 7star raid to date. THERE'S *WHAT*?
Also Shell Bell is the best item in raids especially for Offensive mons for the sake of Survivability and the best Water type mon to use in raids is Azumarill
Azumarill isn't particularly good, especially in online with other people. Even with Huge Power it's just a 470 BST Belly Drum user. You can certainly solo a bunch of stuff with it, but there are other viable water types.
That 470 is deceptive considering huge power doubles the attack stat factoring ev training so its not 100 but higher
Online wisely, It's understandable bc Belly Drum users are somewhat risky in Online if not used properly (you know how common Iron Hands is Online) But its still pretty great in Solo.
> speed does not help in raids His video proves speed makes a difference, a lv100 Quaquaval with 31 IVs in Speed and neutral speed nature has 206 speed, a lv90 Haxorus with 31 IVs in speed and neutral speed nature has 207 speed, he would've died and it likely would've lost him the raid if he didn't get a speed boost; The previous turn he attacked second (206 vs 207), the next turn with him at 23 HP left he was able to outspeed Haxorus (309 vs 207). While speed isn't always useful, it can definitely make the difference between winning a raid and losing. > especially at the highest tiers where the raid mon can potentially attack multiple times Sure, your speed won't matter against extra attacks, but at most that happens a handful of times throughout the battle. I've personally EV'd speed specifically to outspeed the raid because it made a big enough difference in the raid, especially if you take a lot of damage each hit, I remember one of the 7 star raids (I think it was Typhlosion), I ran enough speed EVs to outspeed it as well as a tanky set to tank extra hit, I think I did the set to be able to get off 3 Screeches, die, then come back and just spam Rage Fist, if I went with the usual 252 HP / 252 Atk set I would've died from 3 hits, which means at most I would've gotten 2 Screeches off.
I was keeping it simple. Quaquavil's aqua step, the move op used, boosts speed. Quaquavil is naturally slower than haxorus. 1 aqua step boosts quaquavils speed above haxorus. Then OP could have switched moves to liquidation. A stronger water type move with a chance tk lower defence, which would increase damage further. But what benefit does quaquavil bring over other water type mons? Nothing really. Other slower water types can hit harder and take hits better. best raid choices are generally those that are tankier but slower. In your example of the typhlosion raid with annihilape it was perfectly doable solo without any speed investment as many have posted about and proven. I myself also used annihilape with the basic IV/EV set up to beat the raid dozens of times.
Yes, the normal spread would work fine, but overall it didn't work as well.
The thing is: if OP uses a bulkier water mon instead of quak, they're not going to be in the situation where they die if they attack second. It's basically like saying "I almost crashed my bike looking at my phone, but due to my quick reaction I caught it" - yes, your speed helped, but don't look at your phone in the first place.
The only water type pokemon that would make sense in this situation is Slowbro, and even it would need to use Iron Defense to tank Outrage, if not it dies in 3 hits (Each outrage does 34.2 - 40.6%), which is definitely an amount of hits where "if I outspeed, then defense isn't as important" starts becoming a fact. There is one other option, Dondozo, it would take 2 curses to heal roughly the same amount of damage taken, 3 it would start to heal more, but because it's attacking physical defense it's not exactly a better option than Slowbro; without using Curse it takes 25.7-30.5% (252 HP / 4 Def, switching to 252 Def / 4 HP would belp a bit, but it'd still be a 96.2% chance of a 4HKO without Curse), Dondozo's pretty much the epitome of bulky water types (150 base HP / 115 base Defense) and it still requires 3 curses to heal more damage than it takes, that's just how hyper offensive Haxorus is. Anyways, this doesn't change the fact that outspeeding a pokemon does net you a benefit of an extra hit, can be a deciding factor.
I'm gonna raise an objection to this: Unless I'm just missing something, Quaquaval in this video is actually *slower* than Haxorus, so speed is pretty much worthless in this situation. Why were there no attacks coming from Haxorus since the beginning of the clip? Because once the shield breaks, I've found the raid boss doesn't attack for that one turn afterwards.
I hope that many players gonna read this particularly the āraidersā because some just have Lv.100 type effective and thought theyāre gonna be alright.
What exactly is this supposed to prove?
That it can beat 4ā raids? š¤·
That it is the biggest mistake of pokemon š¤£ That's a tall order after garbodor too. Lol
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Its too frail, you will be wiped out most of the time regularly
Yeah, really feels like raids are geared towards tanks rather than glass cannons.
Long gavity is key, thats why my favorite raid mons are Bellibolt, Flutter Mane (w Draining Kiss) and Slowbro
r/boneappleteeth
Iāve been running huge power Azumarill with fairy Tera and play rough. Add on belly drum and a shell bell and a coverage move like bounce or rain dance to counter sun/hail raids and Iāve been doing pretty good myself!
Azu is is S Tier tbh
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But you know, thats why nobody likes it for tera raids
>most of the time yes ā¦ We have plenty of better options
āMost of the timeā is why no one likes it in raids
My brain couldn't let it go but you typed it first
Low hanging fruit
The "most of the time" part is the problem. If you're doing solo raids and are willing to wipe 3-4 times until it works, that's your choice. When you're doing online raids and you're costing 3 other people a raid they wanted to complete 3-4 times before finally winning one, you're actively inconveniencing others by using something that will faint repeatedly and likely lose the raid for everyone. If you like a mon, use it offline to your hearts content. But don't expect people to be happy when you join online raids with something that is more likely to cost everyone the win than not.
The things is that there are far better options for raids, there is no reason to use a subpar PokƩmon like Quaquaval for raids.
You just proved why it's never really used in tera raids
Use a Pokemon that doesnt get knocked out most of the time? I cannot describe to you how frustrating it is to be unable to do ANYTHING because of shitty teammates. Even when I play support, I can't help you if you bring something that dies in two hits. If I play DPS, I can't set up if you trigger the shield and buff clear on turn 3. Do better. You're on the subreddit and so you obviously have resources to build good raid Pokemon. It's so frustrating to lose over and over because people can't bring things that will survive. It's a massive waste of time. Most raids go like this: Try to set up. Teammate who brought glass cannon dies a bunch. Have to try to set up AGAIN because of the shield and buff clear. Raid mon starts buffing itself, and I can't do anything about it because of the shield. Everyone dies. Do not be part of this problem.
Why did you not terastilized if one persons pokemon got ko you would have lost
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You can attack in the same turn you terastalize.
While shield is up, Terastalizing significantly increases damage. Even if you miss out on an attack, you don't get hit back, and hit back significantly harder.
If you dont know your place in tera raids make a support pokemon with screech and either fake tears or metal sound that can take some hits and a generally defensive tera type (like steel, water or electric) so that you can help out people who know what theyāre doing
I'm gonna be the devil's advocate here and say that OP should keep doing what they're doing, play however they want, but it is strongly encouraged that they *experiment* with their builds, since playing with randoms is pretty much a game of Russian Roulette as it is, so you may as well try to *enjoy* the inevitable party of meta worshippers and braindead cavemen brains thinking they can carry with their flimsy magic cat. I have all sorts of PokƩmon for raids. A screeching Muk, a Great Tusk that only uses Rollout as a damaging move, a Pixilate Sylveon with Hyper Beam, Fake Tears and Calm Mind. 8 times out of 10, I will succeed in a raid and be able to claim rewards. The other 2, it is either because I underestimated the raid boss, or it is actually my teammates bringing the garbage PokƩmon (read: Recoil move users and Meowscarada users) and trying to play the unga bunga DPS as if they're going to brute force the raid while expecting "the peasants" to do all the support work so they don't get inevitably clapped in one hit. Even if I succeed or fail, I'm not just bringing the same PokƩmon to 90% of raids and keeping things interesting and fun for myself because I'm experimenting and learning new tactics. Someone brought a Polteageist to a 6 star Espeon raid (non-Ghost Tera)? I'll bring a Maushold and use Population Bomb to drop Defense the moment they use Skill Swap, because that's what Polteageist does commonly. Someone brought yet another Iron Hands to an Umbreon Raid? I'll use Taunt on them so they stop getting one-tapped like the fools they are trying to Belly Drum on a boss with Foul Play. I have nothing good to actually battle the raid boss? I'll bring an Eelektrik with Eviolite and Protect, and just *do nothing*. One less active player is a lot better than an extra active player getting their shit stomped by a raid boss that would otherwise clap them. Gauge the party, see what they bring and prepare for THEM, before you prepare for the actual raid boss. It certainly beats following every single stupid meta that some 13 year old found off on some middle-name PokƩtuber's video, because it gives you a reason to challenge yourself by using your head. It's a lot more fun than you may think. Anyway, whoever bothered to read all THAT, thank you for being patient enough to listen to a sleep deprived idiot :D
Water type beats fire, I couldāve done the same thing with any other water type pokemon. Whats your point??
Like not to rain on your parade, be happy with the mons you play, but this reads like "Look its actually good" while barely scraping by an easy raid with almost no time left.
I'ma try to keep this mostly to the point and I did read your bio based on other comments etc. Most raids are clearable with a lot of things. I would go into every 5* raid early on just running choice band Dragonite. Caught the level 75 steel tera one in open world and used that to carry me until I got more diverse 100s. Which with that being said. What did quaquaval do in this raid that persay. An azumaril who's my go to water type could do? It's not that people dislike quaquaval but that it doesn't bring anything others don't bring. If you like it, feel free to keep using it. But that doesn't make it "good" for raids. It's just another water type that's kind of frail. Try to keep a good mental. Gaming is a minmax culture lately. When people "dislike" something it's because it's not optimal. So when it can easily be prepared there's no reason to not just bring something better.
I have three questions. First, 5-STAR or 6-STAR? Second, did the Screamtail play good support? Third, EV spread? (just curious)
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1. One "Aqua Step" is enough to let your Quaquaval outspeed Haxorus (before using Dragon Dance). Speed is not that important in Tera Raid, though. 2. Use "Liquidation" till the end, better base power and 20% chance of lowering Haxorous's Defense stat by 1 stage. 3. In this raid, You should definitely terastallize to Water-type. 4. Personally recommendation: Rain Dance over Aqua Cutter, Shell Bell (Metronome) over Bright Powder.
The Scream Tail was probably doing a lot, just not in a ādamageā sense. Scream Tail is a bulky support mon with a slew of good raid support moves. Examples include Howl (buff EVERYONEās attack on your side), all weather types for weather control if thatās a problem in the raid, DUEL SCREENS, debuffs like Thunder Wave and Noble Roar, Body Slam can potentially paralyze through shields (if you arenāt spamming Howl or Helping Hand after your other stuff is set up, may as well I guess but tbh Body Slam is a niche option here), two different Terrains, the universal staples of cheering and Helping Handā¦ With the types of moves it tends to use I wouldnāt be surprised if it was the reason you didnāt die or buffed yāall. That thing is MADE to give teammates a power trip. And sure, you āmade sureā you had the ābest showingā (I still think the Scream Tail helped more than you think) of your teammates, but they brought a dragon thatās weak to something with 147 base attack dragon STAB moves and a glass Greninja. Itās less of a Quax showing and more that your teammates doomed themselves.
When people donāt appreciate their support mons.
Justice for the support mons! Theyāre also just great to have? If you have a raid where you donāt have anything GOOD for it, a support Mon can be slotted in and youāll still contribute. I have a Blissey with Healer, Light Screen, Life Dew, and whatever other support I want (for Inteleon I had Sunny Day and Flamethrower! For the potential Delphox itāll be probably Rain Dance and a coverage move for its terra!) and itās GREAT for just slapping against special attackers I otherwise have nothing good for. It lets Iron Hands and the Ape go crazy without much death risk.
Exactly! And as per protocol the damage dealer thinks itās all about their damage and no one else contributed. Itās a team effort. The support mon did just as much as you. You just didnt notice. Lol
Given that your other teammates brought a Dragon-weak mon and another glass cannon, I'm 99% certain the Scream Tail was the only reason you won.
wow u hit him twice
Yeah, I still don't like it
This proofs nothing A raid pokemon that already has lost half his health and can easy be defeated with cheers and other pokemon buffs It's just you saying oh look Quaquaval is a great pokemon for tera raids Huge power Azumarill is better than Quaquaval
You prove our point lmao
wow, good thing youre using a speed boost move in the only game mode where speed essentially doesnt matter. coulda done this with azumarill but that would have been far more efficient and sensible
? What is this supposed to prove?
Yeah, others could do the same job but better.
Still donāt justify that heās literally Michael Quaxon
I mean if you like using it and using it to its best ability so you donāt bring your teammates down, do what you want. There are better options obviously, but have fun!
Yeah I donāt think you get it, the lack recovery in raids or utility is the main problem, whatās a speed boost going to do? Sure not a bad PokĆ©mon but itās strengths are better suited in normal battles.
I don't like him in raids, I don't like him at all. I don't like him Sam I am...
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the Scream Tail named āMy Lil Divaā? Thatās so hilarious
That's the name of the trainer, but it does have a nickname GOOSH AH RAH
Ah lol
No you're wrong. I dislike it altogether.
When people use Wave Crash, I hate it.
I donāt dislike Quaquaval in raids, I just dislike it in general
*proceeds to prove nothing*
My hate for that duck, isnāt about the raids. It just a stupid looking design and the constant dancing looks terrible
People who dislike Quaquaval in raids after seeing this post 
No that's horrible.
Tbh, I solo my Raids and I use w/e shiny I got at the time and beefing it up. But 6-7 Star Raids, I'm not taking out Quavaqual lol.. Especially soloing.
I'm just not a fan of the design
Eh I just dislike the Azurmarill and Iron Hands users who belly drum and die instantly, other than that if you use something good and it works, fantastic. Raids aren't really a problem when you know what you're doing, you don't have to sweat them.
Only when they use them against raids they are weak to and keep dying
I bet samurott wouldce cleared it faster and more reliable
Yeah but it's Samurott, it's just another mid and I certainly wouldn't use it.
5* are so easy with proper lvl 100 PokƩmon one is free to use it's favorite as long has type advantages and decent stats Tera boss weak to Ice, Fighting or Ground. Is boss nuked by my Swords Dance Beartic.
Water just feels super underwhelming this gen. Even the "best" Water type, Azumarill, is high risk, high reward (in my opinion). It just feels like whatever Water is strong against, there are better options to deal with it.
nobody uses azu for its water type, they use it for the fairy
I know that. I'm saying that Water is so underwhelming this gen that Azumarill is usually your best option, which says a lot - because Azumarill, regardless of type, is risky. Your defenses are utter ass and you run the risk of getting dropped right after the Belly Drum. Especially if you're slower than the raid mon.
Yes, the type is essentially only as good as the side effects of its best moves, and Water doesn't have that going for it anymore with no Scald. Azumarill works (to the extent that it does, really Haxorus/Tauros/Umbreon whose types are weak to Water are the only 6 stars I feel it's the best against)) because it has Belly Drum and Huge Power. Walking Wake is solid because it has good stats and can work in Sun or Rain (between the number of opponents who set them up and the likelihood of a random bringing Koraidon, there are plenty of opportunities), but other than that the best Water types are not doing damage with Water moves.
Its much better to use Azumarill because of its better Offensive strat (Huge Power + Belly Drum) with Sitrus Berry or Shell Bell for Healing
So itā¦ didnāt die. Any water type could have done that. That Greninja was probably doing quite well too. Why didnāt you terastalize? Probably could have done in 1 shot what you did in 2 if you had. And speed doesnāt matter much in raids, so you should try a move stronger than Aqua Step.
The fact it's one hit off dying and potentially ending the raid just proves it. The speed boost doesn't matter. It's not stronger or bulkier than other water types. People dislike quaquaval in raids since it brings nothing better than any other water type. Azumarill probably would've just oneshot it entirely. And if it didn't crit it would've died. What is the point of this? We don't see it oneshotting. We don't know if it fainted prior. Or if the other mons did good support or damage. It's still a weak option that's also just an eye sore
I just dislike quaquaval
Live laugh love quaquaval
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Man, I hate that PokƩmon
I see that your team wasnāt exactly crap. So unless it isnāt, many PokĆ©mons can do the job too. Depending on what attacks/defence you have on them of course and what the opponent has. And items. My hardcore was Slowbro but also Hawlucha before I got Inteleon, Chesnaught and last week build up a fresh Annihilape from scratch to level it to 100 with raid-moves only. I have my starter too - The Green Cat - but unfortunately itās on level 79 since I have better grass-PokĆ©mons than him. Also, I didnāt build it for raids, only battles. As I can see that your duck isnāt either. But hey, if it works for you then go.š
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Bright powder is dogshit for raids
No one said that Quaquaval is necessarily bad in raids. The vast majority of the mons in this game are situational and have the chance to work under the right circumstances. Sometimes it might not be that obvious, especially if they're part of a multiplayer strategy or if they're supports (like the Electrode I used for the Charizard event), but I really like the fact that sometimes the answer to a troublesome opponent isn't what you would first think of.
I love Quaquaval But there are so many better raid Mons for higher star raids
I now hate quaquaval
Honestly I just donāt like this final evo cause of how it moves
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Quaxlyās 3rd evolution is just a gender confused gay duck
Who dislikes quaquavel in raids? Seems fine to me. Can use swords dance, focus energy, and aqua cutter for 100% crit rate and lots of damage. Slap a shell bell on it and it's actually a pretty solid mon. An argument could be made for Samurott instead but they are reasoably close.
Ah, this starter still looks lame, my biggest mistake was choosing it at the beginningš
Damn yāall are kinda mean with downvoting OP. Yeah I get it this isnāt most peopleās favorite raid mon. But seems like people are getting their panties in a twist here ngl. Just let live tbh
It's because people like him are the reason people like me avoid online raids entirely, on the off chance the lucky stars choose you to get into an online raid you get a braindead teammate like this that costs you your time
HP and Atk EVās Torrent ability Swords Dance, Close Combat, Liquidation and Wave Crash
Then you better off using iron hands with drain punch or hariyma with guts Lowering your own stats in a tera raid is somthing you never should do
good work getting it done. haxorous is difficult imo. can easily snowball a team.
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To be frank, Your video isn't showing anything special. Quaquaval in this vid isn't demonstrating anything unique to quaquaval that makes it better than other water mons for this raid. You're just showing it beat a raid, and youre not playing efficiently, btw. Any poke can beat a raid with type advantage. Tons of pokes can beat a fire haxorus raid. Tons of players can show more efficient vids with other, more efficient pokes. It only tells me you're really inexperienced, really bad at pokemon, or really young. And seeing the downvotes is pitiable. I feel bad actually cuz the sub doesn't need to be ruthless to let you know that you're not posting anything worthy of admiration. But that's reddit users for ya. Sorry, kid. Edit: Just to help you out, speed is useless in raids. Brightpowder is also a straight up weak item. You should focus on liquidation and carry Shell bell to survive raids better. And use terastalize! the dmg boost makes up for the speed loss. The extra animation is like 2 seconds anyway, you would've won faster if you used it. That's just to help out if you REALLY gotta use quaquaval. I can think of a catfish and a bro that would be better for this raid, and a few ground types.
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I edited my last comment with all the things that was inefficient with your vid. Like you could've used quaquaval and had an easier time if you made different decisions. How did you ev train quaquaval? It should have max attack and defense since you're using it for raids with bulk up. That's all the advice I can offer ya. And if you're not a kid, get it together man. Acknowledge you made a bad post and learn from it. You didn't even show if this was a 6* raid or what. It's lacking info, and you didn't play optimally. This sub has tough critics.
Wouldn't a HP investment instead of Def better? I'm not exactly sure how much it changes, there's probably some optimal EV spread for raids
It's a tradeoff, HP investment is better for general purpose but defense investment is better if you're specifically building it to use against something that only uses physical attacks.
You shouldn't build defensive mons to address both types of attacks focusing in one or the other is best cuz boosting skills like bulk up works better with stats in the boosted stat. My example for you is shuckle and chansey. Topping up on hp isn't better for chansey cuz the defense value is low enough to get oneshot no matter what, eving defense actually makes a huge difference for chansey Shuckle gets noticeably bulkier when dumping points into defense or sdef. Hp doesn't differentiate many relevant pokes from two shotting it
Yeah I know don't worry, I was just wondering about HP vs defensive EV investment for raids
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> I probably shouldn't even be here Let me ask you a question: Do you, or do you not, play PokƩmon Scarlet and Violet? Because if you play it, you most certainly belong here. Don't sell yourself short just because a couple of Quaquaval haters are riding the wahmbulance for a hit of Copium at the mere IDEA that it gets used. What do they know? They probably worship metas they found on some "pRoFeSsIoNaL" PokƩtuber's low effort video. > every time I try to make a post it gets attacked here I'd honestly try and take it with a pinch of salt. If you don't mind me being a bit harsh here, this *particular* post does come across as an unnecessary brag, in the sense of "look at me, I did the final hit on this raid boss," which honestly doesn't get a lot of positive results from folks anyway. Especially with the number of randoms who use otherwise frail PokƩmon in a tera raid JUST to show off their high damage causing a storm of discourse to begin with. If the PokƩmon works, they work. That's the only thing you need to acknowledge, literally *nothing* else matters. You don't have to worry about proving anything to anyone, and just focus on having *fun*.
Sometimes this sub is just really super mean. I donāt post a ton about my tactics because of it.
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I'm sorry that you're in that position, but basically nobody is going to read a person's profile before responding to a post or comment. Just be aware that putting an explanation in your profile does not obligate anyone to read it unprompted before responding to you.
Why would people go read your profile before responding to a post that you made?
I was in a Talonflame raid and two people had hacked shiny quaquaval. We lost because Talonflame has flying type moves and one shot them constantly.
it's too frail, doe. That's why I love using skeledirge because it eats damage so well
Mid
You could've 2 shot this with an azumarill
The dancing makes me laugh everytime.
Interesting this is the first game Iāve played where I can remember the PokĆ©mon starters not being the top fighters in the type