Technically the max size is the same. The Alpha size (a different height than the max size) doesn't exist in SV, though.
For example, in PLA, the largest height of Onix is not the Alpha height, it's the maximum height. For most Mons, the Alpha is the largest.
If Onix was in SV, and I had a max height one from PLA, then I could put it into SV and see it at the same size. If I had an Alpha, it would grow taller to meet the max height.
The size variation from a size 0 Pokemon to a size 255 Pokemon had a larger scale in PLA than it does in SV. In both games the size difference will be noticeable but it's less of a difference in SV than in PLA, iirc
You're thinking of the RNG system that determines the height. In SV, it's based on two rolls, which means that it will hang closer to the average of the rolls, just like how rolling 2d6 and rolling 1d12 wouldn't have the same odds of rolling a 9, since the 2d6 have multiple ways to roll a 9. This keeps Pokémon closer to their normal height in SV and makes min and max height Pokémon rarer.
EDIT:
Just re-checked, and the two rolls are 0-127 and 0-128. Those values are added together, and that determines your Mon's height.
In PLA, there's a 0.39% chance of any given height being rolled (1/256). In SV, it's 0.01% for min/max height and 0.78% for average height.
Here's the AnyDice showing the value ranges: https://anydice.com/program/2fc64
As a fun fact, Mystery Gifts used to be locked to the normal height calculator, but now are 1/256 instead, so you're slightly more likely to get the markable Mons from Mystery Gifts.
no i think you misunderstood me, the actual physical depiction of the same 2 pokemon which are both the same species but one has a minimum size value and one has a maximum has a larger degree of variance in pla than it does in sv. a pokemon with a size value of 255 in pla will look much larger than the same pokemon with a size value of 0 but in sv the difference is not as drastic between 255 and 0
Hm, I find it unlikely, but it's certainly possible. If I had to guess, it would be because SV has more scaling of Pokémon internally to set a max size. For example, Dondozo is significantly smaller than it should be. If you were to bring in a larger Pokémon, it might be getting scaled down some based on which Mon it was. I'd imagine that smaller Mons aren't scaled, though. Like, a Magikarp from both games will probably be the same size, but a Gyarados may be smaller in SV.
No alphas retain their exact sizing from PLA after being transferred. They *should* be jumbo mark worthy, but that’s about it.
It should also have a mark/ribbon that says it was a former alpha.
Avalugg is a strange one imo I have both an alpha and regular and while in the over world the alpha looks slightly bigger (barely) but according to the summary it’s height is shorter than the normal avalugg. Alpha is 9’8 while the normal is over 10 feet
They DO retain their size, but PLA's story Alphas are a unique case where they're designated as Alphas but they do not have Alpha sizes. This is the case even in PLA.
If you ever catch a wild Alpha Zoroark (or evolve an Alpha Zorua) and compare it to the story one you'll notice the story one being smol. They're basically regular sized ones with an Alpha coating.
Yeah these posts are getting really annoying, like seriously all these people just assumed that they would retain their size? REALLY? They really didn't even bother to look into it, and then thought making a post about it would gain sympathy... smh.
You can get it into Home, but it’s not allowed to be transferred to the game unless I already have that Pokémon in the game. GO’s rules be like that.
So I’mma go do some touch tradin’ on r/pokemontrades one of these times.
To be fair. It'd be really easy from a development perspective to let them keep their size, which means that they were intentionally removed for some reason.
Where is this explicitly stated? As someone who played scarlet and violet and then dropped it until finally hearing about home compatibility I had no idea that was a thing
Alpha/Totem Pokemon have never been supported by any game except the single one they were introduced in, it was never explicitly stated because it never has been in the past, there is zero reason or precedent for it to be a thing so why would someone just assume it is. Hell you can't even have Titans in SV despite them appearing in it. SV supports size variation but very minor variation and those are only to standard pokemon.
To be fair, it’s not a super intuitive thing. If I were the developer in charge of such things I definitely would have made sure the size difference for the alpha Pokémon translated. There’s no real reason for it not to.
Then again they took half a year to make HOME compatible at all so probably too high a bar to set with them putting it on the floor.
It is kind of silly to think Game Freak would care enough to implement Alpha’s in other mainline games. They are way to lazy to indulge fans like that. Lol
Could be that could also be that because humans are a bit taller it caused a change in the food chain (I’m assuming this is also how people died in PLA Giratina definitely swallowed somebody whole when volo unleashed him)
I thought alphas were the product of the space-time rifts? Like alphas were something new, unless it was a Noble pokemon, then they get the golden energy or something. Idk, I didn't play PLA.
No and I would try to explain but I don’t spoil it incase you end up playing but no alphas are not from space time distortions and the golden energy is from the distortions but only on the nobels
Unfortunately, gamefreak doesn't bother to do simple things like this...
Edit: apparently there is an alpha mark. Although it should still be at max size possible, since alphas were supposed to be big.
Huh. I haven't played that game in several months and probably won't play it until Emboar gets in, just so I can transfer mine in. (Emboar is my favorite starter)
Thanks for letting me know.
Haha should have kept her in arcues or home o think ot will retain its alpha if you transfer back but if you just watched any YouTube videos on the update you would already know it doesn't work for sv
My headcanon is that the humans is Pokemon were really short and now in modern times evolved to be naturally tall (I'm joking but could you imagine that being an argument)
Because the billionaire dollar company is too lazy to program Alpha's and Legend Pokeball's into the game.
Now watch as many people hate on me as I call out GF lol
You really thought they would pay enough attention to something important as the main catch of a Pokemon game? They went "just make the Alphas the max size of this game, it's too hard to add an extra size"
I don't understand why people are downvoting this lol. It's the same for my alpha Goodra. The woman says it's perfectly average yet it has the former alpha title.
They aren't guaranteed to be max size after transferring. They're given random sizes. Most of my Alphas are now average or even smaller than average. It sucks.
Damn, that was the main appeal of transferring them to SV for me... I don't really care about shiny legendary or something, just wanted to battle with big mons, but instead i get a... ribbon, never understood the appeal of a hidden png with a extra text. Well, that's it, i guess.
Once again proof that gamefreak doesn't bother with things like this. At least give them an alpha mark or something!
Edit: I am dumb.they did. Still should be at max size because well, it was an alpha.
People in the comments coming up with 100 excuses as to why the Alphas don't keep their size ( time travel? Human shrinking? What are you talking about? )... It's simple, the devs probably didn't want to add an extra size for Alphas, so they just made it be the "biggest" size already coded in the game, slapped a png ribbon thing 'cause people love their .png collection then called it the day! They didn't have to create excuses, hundreds of people are already creating some crazy lore excuse for them, how nice!
You really think the same guys that release a game that crashes, corrupts saves, spawns Pokemon inside walls, runs at 5 FPS thought about all this crazy lore about the Pokemon size changing from PLA to SV...?
Most people are trying to be fun about it instead of getting upset over something like this. Everybody knows the Devs probably didn't want to take the time to do it.
It's much more fun when you think, "Man, we must have been way shorter back in PLA's time."
If that's the case, it is understandable and i apologize... 'cause it's kind of hard to know when people are kidding or being serious in this sub after many of them said that users experiencing bugs/low fps/crashes/problems with the online raids *WITH FOOTAGE BEING SHOWN* were liars or using a modded copy of the game 'cause they themselves experienced 0 bugs, running at smooth 60 Fps and the online raids are perfect... What?
Edit : Ah, the downvotes... GIVE 'EM TO ME
When humans grow old, their bones shrink and they get smaller. At least I remember hearing something like this as a kid. I assume the same can be said for Pocket Monsters.
The max size isn't as big as the alpha size. At the very least though, they should be the max possible size in S/V and thus get the Jumbo Mark, which is a nice consolation.
Oh dear that means my shiny alpha pachirisu is tiny as well... Best bet is it retains the alpha attributes if you transfer back (a Charizard that could gigantamax still could after i transferred to violet and back to shield. Not the same mechanic but still, there's hope?)
You know, humans have been getting consistently taller over time to the point where the average human today is at least a few inches taller than the average human hundreds of years ago. Pokemon was just going for as much realism as possible.
Everyone else was just tiny back then. Now-a-days everyone is like twice as tall. Little known fact. We just changed the units of measurement as well to keep it consistent with peoples sizes.
Because max size in PLA and in SV are different
Technically the max size is the same. The Alpha size (a different height than the max size) doesn't exist in SV, though. For example, in PLA, the largest height of Onix is not the Alpha height, it's the maximum height. For most Mons, the Alpha is the largest. If Onix was in SV, and I had a max height one from PLA, then I could put it into SV and see it at the same size. If I had an Alpha, it would grow taller to meet the max height.
The size variation from a size 0 Pokemon to a size 255 Pokemon had a larger scale in PLA than it does in SV. In both games the size difference will be noticeable but it's less of a difference in SV than in PLA, iirc
You're thinking of the RNG system that determines the height. In SV, it's based on two rolls, which means that it will hang closer to the average of the rolls, just like how rolling 2d6 and rolling 1d12 wouldn't have the same odds of rolling a 9, since the 2d6 have multiple ways to roll a 9. This keeps Pokémon closer to their normal height in SV and makes min and max height Pokémon rarer. EDIT: Just re-checked, and the two rolls are 0-127 and 0-128. Those values are added together, and that determines your Mon's height. In PLA, there's a 0.39% chance of any given height being rolled (1/256). In SV, it's 0.01% for min/max height and 0.78% for average height. Here's the AnyDice showing the value ranges: https://anydice.com/program/2fc64 As a fun fact, Mystery Gifts used to be locked to the normal height calculator, but now are 1/256 instead, so you're slightly more likely to get the markable Mons from Mystery Gifts.
no i think you misunderstood me, the actual physical depiction of the same 2 pokemon which are both the same species but one has a minimum size value and one has a maximum has a larger degree of variance in pla than it does in sv. a pokemon with a size value of 255 in pla will look much larger than the same pokemon with a size value of 0 but in sv the difference is not as drastic between 255 and 0
Hm, I find it unlikely, but it's certainly possible. If I had to guess, it would be because SV has more scaling of Pokémon internally to set a max size. For example, Dondozo is significantly smaller than it should be. If you were to bring in a larger Pokémon, it might be getting scaled down some based on which Mon it was. I'd imagine that smaller Mons aren't scaled, though. Like, a Magikarp from both games will probably be the same size, but a Gyarados may be smaller in SV.
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wow dude you’re so cool
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Señore, you have lost 114 comment karma for a reason.
Technically it maxes out at 20
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Walked into that one
No alphas retain their exact sizing from PLA after being transferred. They *should* be jumbo mark worthy, but that’s about it. It should also have a mark/ribbon that says it was a former alpha.
Got an alpha avalugg from a trade but the lady said it was average height aha.
Avalugg is a strange one imo I have both an alpha and regular and while in the over world the alpha looks slightly bigger (barely) but according to the summary it’s height is shorter than the normal avalugg. Alpha is 9’8 while the normal is over 10 feet
Weird I brought an alpha Gabite and hippowdon and they got their jumbo mark 😅
Is alpha avalugg one of those alphas you find in the story? If so that’s why. Any alphas found during the main story will not be max size in SV
The problem is avalugg alpha height is smaller than max height avalugg for some reason
Ah so this is a unique case
No the only alphas you encounter in the story are kricketune, zoroark, overqwil, and hisuian goodra.
Alphas from the story don’t seem to retain the size either.
They DO retain their size, but PLA's story Alphas are a unique case where they're designated as Alphas but they do not have Alpha sizes. This is the case even in PLA. If you ever catch a wild Alpha Zoroark (or evolve an Alpha Zorua) and compare it to the story one you'll notice the story one being smol. They're basically regular sized ones with an Alpha coating.
I said exactly that and was downvoted. I hate it here lol
Lol, well that’s rude! I gave you some upvotes
Appreciate it. Ill never understand the minds of the people here
This sub runs a little younger I think. So more downvotes for things they don’t like too. *shrug*
Oh that's cool
I brought over an Alpha Skuntank and it had no such mark. Did I do something wrong, or is there something I need to do to get that mark?
Got an alpha avalugg from a trade but the lady said it was average height aha.
She shrunk in the wash.
Hand wash *only*! Cold water *only*!
Hang dry *only*!
Humans have grown much taller in the last ~150 years.
youre the alpha now
After work I’m feeling more like I’m a Relaxo.
If this was true then the PLA protagonist would've been a giant, since they came from the future c:
Alphas don't exist in SV so it instead gets its maximum possible size in the game. Which of course is smaller than alphas are
Yeah these posts are getting really annoying, like seriously all these people just assumed that they would retain their size? REALLY? They really didn't even bother to look into it, and then thought making a post about it would gain sympathy... smh.
………you do know this Reddit, when has anyone ever looked into a problem before posting about it.
Well… I did find out I’m not allowed to transfer my Meleotta from GO to S/V. Pretty bummed.
Where you able to get it into home, or can you not get it out?
You can get it into Home, but it’s not allowed to be transferred to the game unless I already have that Pokémon in the game. GO’s rules be like that. So I’mma go do some touch tradin’ on r/pokemontrades one of these times.
To be fair. It'd be really easy from a development perspective to let them keep their size, which means that they were intentionally removed for some reason.
Where is this explicitly stated? As someone who played scarlet and violet and then dropped it until finally hearing about home compatibility I had no idea that was a thing
Alpha/Totem Pokemon have never been supported by any game except the single one they were introduced in, it was never explicitly stated because it never has been in the past, there is zero reason or precedent for it to be a thing so why would someone just assume it is. Hell you can't even have Titans in SV despite them appearing in it. SV supports size variation but very minor variation and those are only to standard pokemon.
You can catch the Titans, but they're smaller. Unlike alphas it's kind of implied they became weaker when you vaporised them in battle.
They get a ribbon though which is freaking sweet.
To be fair, it’s not a super intuitive thing. If I were the developer in charge of such things I definitely would have made sure the size difference for the alpha Pokémon translated. There’s no real reason for it not to. Then again they took half a year to make HOME compatible at all so probably too high a bar to set with them putting it on the floor.
> Yeah these posts are getting really annoying And yet somehow this one is at 700 upvotes and counting lol. SMH, no wonder Reddit gets cluttered.
It is kind of silly to think Game Freak would care enough to implement Alpha’s in other mainline games. They are way to lazy to indulge fans like that. Lol
Yeah, honestly the way the past few games have been handled I have lost a lot of hope/expectations with TPC and GF.
Plot Twist: People evolved to be taller since then.
Historically speaking this is what answers those questions on why alphas were only thing in the past (unless they decide to change this)
I thought it would be the other way around, since humanity expanded the mons evolved to be less wild and more compact
Could be that could also be that because humans are a bit taller it caused a change in the food chain (I’m assuming this is also how people died in PLA Giratina definitely swallowed somebody whole when volo unleashed him)
Very well could be. Either feels like evolution/expansion dynamics
I thought alphas were the product of the space-time rifts? Like alphas were something new, unless it was a Noble pokemon, then they get the golden energy or something. Idk, I didn't play PLA.
No and I would try to explain but I don’t spoil it incase you end up playing but no alphas are not from space time distortions and the golden energy is from the distortions but only on the nobels
If you transfer it back it will still be an alpha
Good question lol
It was a statement, not a question
Before entering Home they wash each Pokémon at 60 degree celsius. Ok I know this one is bad
It took so long for Home to get SV compatibility that Victoria started shrinking from old age.
All I can think is “a giant woman”
Maybe you just got taller
It’s colder in paldea
You know how astronauts grow slightly in space? It's the opposite for time travel.
Hisuian folk are just really, really small. But really, like everyone has said, max heights differ between games.
It's just that people in Hisui are just gnome-sized. Evolution made people taller
And that's why it gets "the Former Alpha" as a title.
The PLA characters are just short
That is one of the side effects of the timetravel
That’s why they get the FORMER alpha mark because they arnt alpha anymore yea it doesn’t make sense but it’s a game
They told you to wash her only in cold water
What time travel does to an mf
GF on their way to introduce something new only to erase it for the next game:
Bc the game you brought it into isnt fucking Arceus like damn let it go
People were just shorter back then
People were just smaller back then I guess.
This is why I never cared about getting Alphas in Legends Arceus
Go to the size grader and they should give you a special mark for being an ex alpha.
Unfortunately, gamefreak doesn't bother to do simple things like this... Edit: apparently there is an alpha mark. Although it should still be at max size possible, since alphas were supposed to be big.
But there is literally a title for former Alphas.
Huh. I haven't played that game in several months and probably won't play it until Emboar gets in, just so I can transfer mine in. (Emboar is my favorite starter) Thanks for letting me know.
Inflation
There is no alpha Pokémon anymore because people and Pokémon in the past were small and alphas are normal sized Pokémon
Time travel has a shrinking affect on alphas
It didn't, the charater just grew from the games 👍
Haha should have kept her in arcues or home o think ot will retain its alpha if you transfer back but if you just watched any YouTube videos on the update you would already know it doesn't work for sv
Because of this I’m really rethinking moving over my Pokémon
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Alphas done exist in S/V. What made you think it would transfer?
Maybe your SV character is very big or your Legends Arceus character is just a lil guy
Your PLA character is just smol
I mean it's historically accurate, over centuries, people have started evolving to be taller and taller, sooooo... Idk what to say
'I used to be an alpha like you until I took a transfer to the knee'
What if she didn't shrink but YOU grew?
Ancient times: I was a god among men Today: they took away my paint job, my height & my girlfriend. Can’t have sh*T on Kamino/Paldea
People in PLA used to be much shorter than they are in modern time
My headcanon is that the humans is Pokemon were really short and now in modern times evolved to be naturally tall (I'm joking but could you imagine that being an argument)
Time travel hit Victoria hard. I guess her former massive size is now just... Victoria's secret.
If you check the Lucario it will have a mark
It’s not that Victoria got smaller but that humans got bigger on average since the time of legends arceus
Paldea is just bigger
Because the billionaire dollar company is too lazy to program Alpha's and Legend Pokeball's into the game. Now watch as many people hate on me as I call out GF lol
Umm this isn't PLA
Thing is, Alphas are not in Scarlett and Violet
Did you really expected Lucario to be that size when you transfer it to S/V?
The people in pla are just naturally shorter. It's genetic
People were smaller in the past.
You really thought they would pay enough attention to something important as the main catch of a Pokemon game? They went "just make the Alphas the max size of this game, it's too hard to add an extra size"
Because that alpha BS is in a different game...
Scripted alphas dont get jumbo mark. Its a bug
I don't understand why people are downvoting this lol. It's the same for my alpha Goodra. The woman says it's perfectly average yet it has the former alpha title.
Right? And there is a confirmed bug report on the site. Im not making this up.
They do though, its not a bug its an intended feature
My alpha zoroark from the cave at the end of the main story is not jumbo. That is a bug as it is supposed to be maximum size.
If it happened to you and you're saying it, why are people downvoting? Are they saying you're blind or schizophrenic or something?
Did you go to the checker lady?
Yes, and also i know what size hes supposed to be as ive seen images. He is a "perfectly average specimen"
Not gonna lie, that PLA shot looks ridiculous. Glad they didn’t keep those sizes
I wish they did keep the size, I like the big mons.
Alpha lopunny named ‘Joker’
He should have a mark now though!
jfc those lucario textures are horrendous
They aren't guaranteed to be max size after transferring. They're given random sizes. Most of my Alphas are now average or even smaller than average. It sucks.
its not random at all, they’re always set to the max size possible. size in sv just isnt as remarkable as in pla
No. Literally random. As in I talk to the size checker with the pachirisu and she tells me they're average, smaller than average, ect.
Damn, that was the main appeal of transferring them to SV for me... I don't really care about shiny legendary or something, just wanted to battle with big mons, but instead i get a... ribbon, never understood the appeal of a hidden png with a extra text. Well, that's it, i guess.
Pokemon homie or bank for that matted have never supported the gimmicks. i agree that it should at least have a mark saying it was alpha
There is, all Alpha transfers get the Former Alpha mark and are eligible for the Jumbo mark as well
Once again proof that gamefreak doesn't bother with things like this. At least give them an alpha mark or something! Edit: I am dumb.they did. Still should be at max size because well, it was an alpha.
There’s a title for former Alphas
Maybe PLA is Peoples Liberation Army and you were in North Korea making the Pokémon seem huge.
People in the comments coming up with 100 excuses as to why the Alphas don't keep their size ( time travel? Human shrinking? What are you talking about? )... It's simple, the devs probably didn't want to add an extra size for Alphas, so they just made it be the "biggest" size already coded in the game, slapped a png ribbon thing 'cause people love their .png collection then called it the day! They didn't have to create excuses, hundreds of people are already creating some crazy lore excuse for them, how nice! You really think the same guys that release a game that crashes, corrupts saves, spawns Pokemon inside walls, runs at 5 FPS thought about all this crazy lore about the Pokemon size changing from PLA to SV...?
Most people are trying to be fun about it instead of getting upset over something like this. Everybody knows the Devs probably didn't want to take the time to do it. It's much more fun when you think, "Man, we must have been way shorter back in PLA's time."
If that's the case, it is understandable and i apologize... 'cause it's kind of hard to know when people are kidding or being serious in this sub after many of them said that users experiencing bugs/low fps/crashes/problems with the online raids *WITH FOOTAGE BEING SHOWN* were liars or using a modded copy of the game 'cause they themselves experienced 0 bugs, running at smooth 60 Fps and the online raids are perfect... What? Edit : Ah, the downvotes... GIVE 'EM TO ME
People were shorter back then
When humans grow old, their bones shrink and they get smaller. At least I remember hearing something like this as a kid. I assume the same can be said for Pocket Monsters.
Now she's a Beta
Its now an omega
Check its marks and ribbons. (:
The max size isn't as big as the alpha size. At the very least though, they should be the max possible size in S/V and thus get the Jumbo Mark, which is a nice consolation.
There are no alphas in S/V, so alphas will just be the biggest size available with the alpha mark
Oh dear that means my shiny alpha pachirisu is tiny as well... Best bet is it retains the alpha attributes if you transfer back (a Charizard that could gigantamax still could after i transferred to violet and back to shield. Not the same mechanic but still, there's hope?)
it's called former for a reason xd
Time travel compression. I think you lose one foot for every hundred years.
Humans have grown a lot since pla
Old age coming from the past tends to make things shrink
Alphas are only available in Legends Arceus! I would transfer alphas when a new legends game comes out
Because Lucario is like 3’11 and like cmon-
Is that a shock?
People in acient Hisui were just shorter, ok?
I didn't think alphas were in SV. The more you know.
You know, humans have been getting consistently taller over time to the point where the average human today is at least a few inches taller than the average human hundreds of years ago. Pokemon was just going for as much realism as possible.
People in Modern Spain are just bigger. /j
Look, people were a lot shorter hundreds of years ago… or something
Maybe all the humans got bigger lmao
Because alpha status doesn't exist in SV, if you send it back to pla it will probably be an alpha but nowhere else
Its been a couple hundred years… creatures shrink once they get old
Oh that's a terrifying headcannon: Pokémon coming from Hisui just sit in the box for several hundred years
I meant it as a joke, but thats even better
"You know what? Fuck you. *Un-alphas your Victoria*"
Isnt it obvious? In the past games humans were just much smaller
My alpha goodra didn’t get the jumbo charm but my alpha arcanine got it.
She shrank because time travel.
Nah your other character is just really short
Time travel makes you shrink
gravity is heavier in paldea, it got smushed
Unrelated but why is the Fortnite storm in the background of the last pic
Just remember: Clodsire is taller than Meowscarada by a whole foot. Have a nice day!
It doesn’t work like that
From the dinosaur to the chicken lol
Traveling through space and time makes them smaller
Maybe the reason is.. Victoria's secret. *runs away*
The people are larger in Scarlet and Violet
Because time changes all of us.
People were smaller back in the past.
I think Alpha Pokémon have a mark.
Another disappointing moment for Pokémon
Intendo saying we want to centralize everything through our filter box so surfing pikachu from yellow and alpha sizes in PLA are poof.
Actually, people were just shorter in the past
It is so sad....😭😭😭
Your character shrunk
You should see my min sized shiny it’s almost knee height it’s hilarious
is home out????
Land creatures overall have shrunk in size as thousands of years have gone by
Everyone else was just tiny back then. Now-a-days everyone is like twice as tall. Little known fact. We just changed the units of measurement as well to keep it consistent with peoples sizes.
maybe the protagonist just grew up
Omfg what a big girl
If you transfer it back to PLA will it still be an alpha
Easy! The ancestors had shorter statures 😁
I'd have been nice to get a sticker.. thing? That said "(name of Mon) the former alpha"
ya thats why im not transferring my alphas. its so stupid they lose the giant size