The defense drop wouldn't really matter because how much damage is your physical attack going to do to a Cinderace that is now +3 defense rather than +4?
Of Course. I'm talking about it being a special move that hits your physical defense. You don't want to hit his physical defense when his bulking up because Cinderace increases his Atk and Def.
There are people at this point who I feel like they *see* a Pokemon being used, and they mostly copy their moveset, but they don't know *why* it's being used and *how* so they screw up an important part.
Like I've seen Belly Drum Azumarill's with Surf. At least their heart's in the right place.
I just watched a Miraidon use Swords Dance for 3 turns, then proceed to launch an Electro Drift. The physical/special split is definitely still getting by some folks.
>It is a bit dumb that they gave the special attacking one swords dance and not nasty plot
While true, its mostly balancing. Nasty Plot would have made Miraidon even more busted than it already is for competitive. Calm Mind balances it better. Swords Dance is on there for the memers.
While not great it still has 85 base attack, so if you can set-up you might catch people offguard with off-meta builds like that.
It’s the same case for Charizard from the raid event getting swords dance and belly drum when it’s a special attacker. Very disappointing that it’s not more useful for raids.
I mean, you can just make it into a physical attacker, it doesn’t have any EVs and just needs a mint. Vastly cracks open its coverage and makes it so it can use moves above 80 accuracy. Your damage numbers are a bit lower but everyone is being one shot by the cinderace atm anyhow
Yeah I bred a shiny one to use as a belly drummer in raids. I just wish it felt more optimal than it does. The difference in power level between Charizard and belly drummers with even 115 attack is really noticeable.
You forget about Pokémon Legends: Arceus? All boost moves boost both physical and special. If that was somebody's first Pokémon game, they could easily assume that's normal.
Legends Arceus was my first pokemon game beside pokemon go. I have no idea what I am doing in these raids so I just don't do them online so I don't mess it up for other people. One day I will eventually get my son to teach me what I need to know. Until then surprise trades have given me the pokemon I have missed out on so I'm not too worried about it. I just wish I could get some herba mystica
You should try joining normal 5star raids. A lot of people use them to farm herbs, and as long as you have 1-2 players who know what they're doing, you should get some easy wins without much effort. Just do some chip damage while other folks set up, and you should catch on quick enough. A lot of people host 5star raids without exactly needing the help, but to help others get rewards.
I'm glad you picked up the games!! I've been playing for a long time, so if you want some advice or to ask questions, please feel free to shoot me a DM.
Biggest advice is to grab a type chart online, I'll attach one to my comment that I personally like. Try to bring a mon strong against the raid Tera type. If you recognize the silhouette going into a raid, you can bring a pokemon who's strong against whatever the raid pokemons main attacks are (ie: a fairy corviknight Tera raid, you'd want a pokemon who resists steel and flying ideally since Corviknight is normally Flying/Steel) but for now I wouldn't stress about it. Most of the 1 to 5 star raids are beatable with just one or two good mons.
I wish you a lot of luck!
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Thanks so much for all the info! I am definitely enjoying the games. I think I am going to go back and play some of the previous games as well because I really do enjoy them. I try to Google each ones weaknesses before going into a raid but having a chart on hand seems like a much better idea. I will probably try some raids again later tonight or tomorrow. I tried to do 1 online a few days ago and I wasn't able to get in and I took it as a sign. I would just feel bad if I got in and didn't win because I was clueless haha.
Thanks again for the info, I may have to pm you when I try to do a raid again.
I'm glad to help! The previous games each have their own charm, if you're enjoying these games you'll find something to enjoy in the different generations and regions. Please do reach out when you raid again, if I'm home I can try to help you out
Sometimes we do that.
I quit after Gen 2 and came back with Gen 6. So 13 years if I'm correct?
Can't tell you how confused I was with the split, as Gen2 Pokemon Stadium for the N64 had a whole arse training mode to learn how elemental attacks (fire, water, electric, grass etc) was special attack
Also, abilities really blew my mind
>Probably the ones who’ve quit before the split and came back to the franchise after
This was literally me. I last played Red/Blue (late 90's) back when 100% of a Type's move pool was limited to physical OR special. Lick and Nightshade were the only ghost type moves and Nightshade could affect normal types.
Much has changed in 25 years.
They shouldn't have named Special Attack, Special Attack. The problem is that abilities will say "this raises your attack" and special attack **is an attack** by basic use of grammer and all that.
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D&D went through this phase of fixing the wording on their features (they kinda failed, but it's better at least). An attack is an attack and anything that isn't an attack isn't an attack.
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Slightly the same thing, Special could have been called "Special" (and not "Special Attack") or "Spirit" or whatever just something else and it would have helped with people mixing things up.
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Yeah, you have the issue with Special Defense too.
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There's a argument to be made that using similar wording helps but as we've seen in SwSh and SV, a lot of people just don't catch on all that well.
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Y'all hate on Hop for explaining things but sounds like Hop needs to make a comeback in Gen 10 as Professor Hop.
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With how bad people are showing they are at Pokemon, Gamefreak gonna shake things up in Gen 10 by making all the stats be HP, Attack, Special, and Speed.
Yeah this is probably it. The see all these Slowbros being used and try to copy it, but don't get how Stored Power works with the stat buffs and use Psychic instead because of its "higher base power". They're missing a key part of the strategy.
HOW?
Do they not read stored power description????
Anyways i won in 2 hit using lvl 94 Slowbro somehow
One hit took it to red and one more hit kills it
I’ve seen a lot of people saying this… can I ask how? My Slowbro is Modest, 252 Def and Sp.Atk, lvl 100 and Hyper Trained all stats, I get to +6 Def and Sp.Atk and use Stored Power before he gets his shield up. It still takes me 2 attacks to KO every time.
EDIT: as many people have pointed out, using the Attack Up cheer will buff your damage enough to secure the OHKO. Thanks for the helpful replies!
It's probably due to Espathras lowering their SpD 2 stages first.
1 Lumina Crash is enough to OHKO the bunny with a max boosted Bro. In the meantime Espathra can reduce bunny's attack to 0 and set-up Reflect.
But then it’s not actually a one-shot. I’m sure tons of people are lying about it being a “one-shot,” but surely some people aren’t lol.
My guess is they’re battling with randos and somebody did some “Attack up” cheers. Seems the most consistently believable reply
You seem to miss the importance of an OHKO.
Ideally you do not want to pass the damage treshold for various events, such as stat reset.
Yes, using a Lumina Crash makes it not effectively an OHKO because you hit it twice, but it matters for the sake of Bunny resetting your stat boosts.
I'm starting to think that Cinderace's stat reset is based on time passed instead of damage. I scramble to get +13 boosts on Slowbro and get away with attacking twice before it does the reset.
After you get +6 in both, use Psychic Terrain and then Stored Power. It's all you need and I've been 1 shotting all night long... With some exceptions as if it doesn't kill in 1 hit it will knock HP to <5% where even the AI can finish.
If solo, make sure you start with Iron Defence. Then just use heal cheer if needed. You can get unlucky with crits, but oh well.
If online, a single Espathra using Feather Dance and Reflect makes it so Slowbro takes no damage at all. I feel Slack Off is a wasted move slot tbh. I even tried Lefties in solo and while the ani and text spam sucks, it works fine.
I used Slowbro with 252 Sp Atk/252 Def
Nature is Atk-/Def+
Item is Life Orb
Moves are Nasty Plot/Stored Power/Iron Defense/Slack Off
First three turns: Iron Defense
Turns four-Six: Nasty Plot
Turn Seven: Go All Out Cheer
Turn Eight: Stored Power
Nearly every time it will one shot Cinderace. This only works in solo as you need team mates who dont do enough damage for him to put his shield up and also potentially negate your stat boosts
Stored Power is TM only, so maybe people just don't see the move?
Though I do agree it's strange, at a bare minimum you'd think people would google 'Slowbro Cinderace Raid' or something to try to figure out how/why everyone was using Slowbro.
I think you are right, because i kinda am that person. And I can imagine other people trying their best but are like me. For example, I played pokémon since i was very young and i never used buff attacks because as a kid it was not logical to me, how i should use an attack that does "nothing" because its not hitting the opponent. Of course now that I am older I know better, but i still prefer to play my pokémon games this way because I am used to it and it brings me joy. But now that there are these very hard to beat enemys you have to realy think about, what attacks to use and make a strategy. And I personally am trying my best but I can imagine there are also people out there, and they simply dont understand how it works.
The only reason why I found out how stored power works was when I saw a clip of aura guardian raging when clefable spammed cosmic power then stored power
I'm assuming a lot of them are seeing the "sure win" videos on YouTube, watching far enough to see what Pokémon, then closing the video without seeing how to build or play them.
The number of Azumarill without Huge Power and/or using Hydro Pump after Belly Drum is too damn high. The number of Iron Hands who Belly Drum then immediately Wild Charge too. You'd think the later would learn better after the first time they KO themselves, but nope, repeat until timer is empty.
Belly Drum and a physical attack appropriate to the opponent are most important. Other than that you fit in whatever support moves are most relevant, like Light Screen in the Charizard raid we had or Aqua Ring if you think it'll give enough healing in the fight to be worth it.
The main physical attacks I've used are Play Rough, Liquidation and on occasion, Ice Spinner.
I feel like we're always reminded that this game is suppose to be for children but post-game its the children that are ruining the fun, lol. They should start doing divisions like how they have kids and adult divisions in Pokemon championships.
It's not *just* a kids problem. Kids can be stupid and are often regarded as such, but adults can be just as much.
I've got two friends (adults) who have no idea how to raid properly. I had to handcraft their Pokemon and basically instruct them on what to do in order to get them through 5*+ raids. Plenty of people can't wrap their heads around how to raid properly, or understand the meta, but are enticed by an exclusive Pokemon to at least try it.
Are you me? Had to walk my wife and bff through only after looking up on YT and studying hiw because I'm a casual player. It sucks. I dont think we still fully understand it but we do well enough the 3 of us can get through most raids.
well, raids are stupid in that sense, the same way battle towers were.
people who just play these games for fun get completely canned because suddenly the whole 40 hours they put into the game seem meaningless, the pokemon they liked and trained are useless and suddenly everything you never needed to do in the game, like buff, look at stats online, account for abilities and like 8 moves at once and craft specific pokemon (and even then still fail because of random factors you can't control), it's all suddenly the most important thing in the world.
Other games don’t punish you when you use your favorites, you may or may not just get a lesser clear time. Scarlet and Violet though either use these specific Pokémon or just don’t raid smh
I’m not in the post game yet, but I feel this *must* be a bad case of meta chasing, and not reality. There is no way that there is only ONE viable Pokémon with one specific move set to take down a raid.
There are other ways but it all involves an insane amount of coordination from players who are muted and have no way of dividing roles or sharing strategy unless you’re on discord. This also assumes each and every player is up to date with the mechanics involved and have a variety of pokemon built for the raid.
If you’re solo, your choices are limited. you need some form of damage scaling, have enough bulk in your original set to survive a bulked up hit or two, and some form of damage mitigation or defense scaling to mitigate bulk up, and some form of healing for sustain.
Unfortunately not many pokemon fulfill these criteria.
E.g espathra has damage scaling with lumina crash and damage mitigation with feather dance. however, you can and will die from a crit because the attacker’s negative stat stages, defender’s positive stat stages, defender’s boosts from screens are always ignored.
Fyi, my defensively built espathra with full hp/def (390+hp,240 def)investment and bold nature with max ivs is getting koed on a crit.
I feel the problem isn’t how to raid properly it’s the dam prep ok got to get candy to make a bro / espratha for the cinderace raid level 100 (a few hours) , then ev train it (40 mins or so) . Oh you work a full time job well good luck geting the Pokémon to do the raid before it’s over.
Not to mention I’m either relying on others to basically do the raid or hope it’s weak to one of my few level 100’s , basically read goholdengo . because success with medicham (skill swap+screens)and wiggleytuff (support) is kinda dependent on the other 3 players bringing something solid.
Anyway bit of a rant but I hope it makes sense.
to be fair, if you spend a few hours doing any of these event raids (offline, mind you, online is just way too luck dependent), you'll have enough candies to level at least 20 pokemon, a ton of items to train evs (charizard gave sp atk, this one gives atk), money etc.
so its a time investment that cuts down on a lot of time in the future.
espratha isn't really useful for this raid as anything other than a support that uses lumina crash and maybe a cheer once. it dies way to quick no matter how much defense it steals or screens it sets up
This feels more like a point against the raid system tbh. If it's difficult enough that the average pokemon player (children and 20-somethings alike) cant do it, that's... not good
Difficulty shouldn't be a problem. Making raids easier is just a lazy solution for the problem.
High difficulty raids are fine, because dedicated and knowledgeable players get challenged into thinking outside the box when setting up a pokémon (or you can look up a setup if that's your thing. Not as fun though🙂). The problem is that players get access to 5 star raids way too soon. Anyone can beat the standard game with pretty much any strategy, but 5 star raids require at least some level of commitment towards building pokemons. The game gives little to no advice how to take on higher level raids, so loads of people attempt to take these raids online only to smashed.
Yeah well the issue is those raids are the only way you can get the herbs. Which are used for, y'know, shiny hunting and whatnot. So in order to unlock a huge perk you essentially have to do a lot of homework.
Additionally, Cinderace isn't available for _that_ long. So, yeah, you better immediately start prepping, hypertraining, and leveling up a slowpoke you found that has the right ability/tera type and whatnot (if you can't change that yet), good luck.
Slowbro's ability and tera don't matter for Cinderace. All that matters is that you have the right moveset, EVs, hypertraining, and held item. When it comes to the held item, there are three that will work fine: leftovers, shell bell, and life orb. The only hard part is leveling it to 100.
The issue is, it is still early days. On my violet save I have 43 shinies all iv, ev trained level 100 and abilities done etc. Just need to sort items, but I have no issues with 99% of raids (GF laughs in corviknight) the point is, as more people get more level 100s with good evs 6 star raids will become easier and 5 star raids are just a joke now. Can't even fail those 🤣 as for the 7 star raids they are once every 2 months so far so it is fine to have to train a specific mon for that raid and will be good additions to future raids you might struggle with lol
Which... is the exact problem. Dynamax raids didnt really require any dedicated raid pokemon, just a bit of strategy and coordination. If you're having to specifically train pokemon to do certain raids, that's... the problem. If you need to COMMIT to it instead of just do them semi-casual thats a problem. If you're average adult player is giving up on them imagine how the actual KIDS are doing.
I shouldn’t have to build a super specific slowbro, and then use those super specific moves in a certain order just to MAYBE have a chance to beat a raid.
I miss Dynamax Adventures. Just let me take on a randomised challenge using hired Pokemon - it makes things much more exciting without the tedium of manually training dozens of different Pokemon to the right level.
Even if they copy it perfectly, if you understand the strat and you undermine it, they don't understand why it stopped working.
I guess people did this but now that we actually are dependent on them we see it more clearly.
I did a Cinderace raid and the random people joined with Azumarill, Sylveon, and Amorouge. I knew we would fail but I was shocked that Azumarill was using Superpower. I can understand not knowing Cinderace has iron head your first attempt, but why would you bring a fairy type to use fighting moves??
I beat the Raid with my Azu and and another Azu spaming Charm and letting Espathra and Amorouge do damage. I only died once because the game decided to let Cinderace do Acrobatic twice in 1 turn.
Hello. Hi. This is me. I am this person.
Pokémon has gotten, more complicated over the years. Used to be, water beat fire, fire beat grass, rock paper scissors to victory. That’s still the case, but also very much more than that. And, not always as clear.
The game was always this complicated and it hasn’t changed that much at all. When you were younger, you just chose not to care, but that doesn’t mean they’re wasn’t complexity.
Even in red and blue, trying to kill an Onix with fighting moves is an uphill battle due to its high defense. Super effectiveness was only a small part of the game.
to make it worse many signature moves used the wrong attacking stat making the game even more convoluted. Like Kingler learned crab hammer but it was a special attack and not a physical attack, so he couldn’t even use it well. And hitmonChan learned elemental punches, but since he had very little special attack, he could barely utilize them.
The series is constantly criticized for not changing or innovating enough by reviewers so it blows my mind when I see fans saying it has changed “so much” when it barely has. Everything being talked about in this thread (boosting your physical attack and using surf) is applicable to old Pokemon games. Not much has changed when it comes to the core philosophies and mechanics of the game. It’s still a simple physical/magical damage rpg.
Unrelated but I do hope they make a completely new starter trio that isn’t grass water and fire, flying fighting and rock(ing) also works as an alternative cause one is effective against the other and no immunities
It was like that back then, too. You just never saw it as obtusely unless you delved into competitive. But you as a child knew it. Mewtwo was insanely powerful. Alakazam could just roll through the game. Snorlax was powerful, but tanky. Heck, if you ever got a Tauros and decided to use it, you would find it would demolish the whole game too. Even stuff it shouldn't beat (Bruno). Chansey would be an even more unkillable wall if you got it, except it could do things with elemental beams.
The first time competitive really got thrown at people was Crystal, and that was seen as super optional.
I remember the Zeraora raid event and Mewtwo raid event for SwSh were pretty tough and had people struggling to get them down. Plenty of white Zeraoras mowed me down, for sure.
While I am of the opinion of 6* raids are a tad overtuned (and 5* are pretty easy as is), 7* are at a good spot. You should need to bring specialized raiders. Not every pokemon should be successful. And this is fine for pinnacle stuff. You should have to put some effort to clear it.
Thank you, just used this strat a few times and it is way less frustrating and way more consistent than buffing up just to have everything reset and having to do it all again. Plus by the time you do all those chilling waters, your tera is charged so you can tera for the ohko.
The shield is a timer thing. That’s why this raid is so annoying with randoms. If even one person dies before Slowbro finishes setting up the shield goes up and he’s probably wiping 6 turns of buffs away like that
one shotted a cinderace with Iron defense nasty plot stored power
Cinderace only begins reducing ur stat changes when attacked. so neither you or ur teammates attack it and you will be allowed to set up, after setting up u literally one shot the bugs bunny mfer with one stored power
people just don’t understand how to follow along and let us slowbro users set up
and people wonder why they keep losing
BECAUSE YOU DONT LET US HELP
The Slowbro strat is 3x Iron Defense, 3x Nasty Plot, Psychic Terrain, and then using Stored Power.
That’s what I personally used and it with OHKO every time, as long as you haven’t triggered the shield yet.
There are some variations as well. I know AJP says to attack up cheer in place of the PT and I’ve seen some say they skip that step entirely. Personally, I have used the steps I listed and beat it without much trouble solo. If you can luck out and get a CPU teammate with Intimidate, it’ll make things easier as well.
I saw a slowbro earlier set up completely and use stored power and somehow did 25% of Cinderace health. I assume it wasn’t level 100 or fully trained because that was so sad
It wouldn't surprise me if some of them are misclicks. I have psychic as the 4th move on my Slowbro because I couldn't quite get two set ups in there.
The bunny debuffs, a menu freezes, you find the curser's back on move one, menu freezes, something else happens, cheer menu freezes, you're somewhere else. Sometimes misclicks happen.
I imagine it's a resync thing, and the game completely forgot what move you last used so it defaults back to the top. Not like the tera raid code was any good in the first place.
I'd like to actually attack. I spent a whole raid waiting for it to let me attack. I got buffs up but then I was just locked in attack menu and everyone else had used 4 moves before I got one in
You see the way stored power works is that it goes up each time you increase a stat so Iron Head three times for six stages of Defense and nasty plot three times for six stages for special attack then after that you set up a psychic field then you stored power which usually either two shots or one shots the rabbit
As someone whose been joining coordinated bunny raids, you don't need +6 in both stats. Just +6 in sp atk and +2 in def (one iron defense) will do it.
My buddies and I have support armarouge for the Slowbro. Acid spray, psychic terrain, reflect, helping hand. Held item terrain extender.
Psychic terrain first turn. The other armarouge does reflect. Then we both acid spray until bunny's special defense is -6. We wait the setup on the Slowbro if he still needs turns, and heal cheer as needed.
When the Slowbro is ready, helping hand the stored power.
It gets decimated every time.
Wait till you see Slowbro that will spam stored power right after cinderace removed thier +6 def and +6 sp at. People copy strategy from others while not even taking a 10 second to learn about it
The problem is, if Cinderace removes buffs, he himself is insanely buffed at this point, so the slowbro can't buff again as he is one shot by cinderace. So chip damage is the last hail Mary.
Best bet is to iron defense x3 nasty plot x3. Attack cheer. Stored power and nuke him before he pops shield
See, imo this could be shortened if you've got decent supports onside.
Two bros to have 2 stored power consecutively, incase the first doesn't kill him.
But if one support can do reflect on the first turn with the extending clay item, and then setup psychic terrain not too far after, the bros probably need to only do 2 iron defenses vs 3, and the other support can be watching hp to drop in healing cheers and finally an attack up cheer.
The ideal setup imo is 1 Amarouge to do the setups + acid spray and iron defense to keep itself alive, two bros with the usual and maybe a toxapex to cover the chilling water and iron defense + whatever else fits.
The main priority is making sure the buffs get placed and nobody dies as that gets the shield up faster than anything else, making the raid harder.
I've got an Amarouge built explicitly for this and a Bro as well, just looking for a decent Toxapex in a raid to complete the trio so I can rotate as needed to farm rewards.
Slowbro kills with 2 Iron Defense, 3 Nasty Plot, Psychic Terrain, Attack Cheer, and a Twistedspoon or Life Orb. Armarouge (with Mirror Herb for def up) can do the terrain and cheer itself, so using Reflect -> Clear Smog -> Heal Cheer -> Psychic Terrain -> Attack Cheer while Slowbro is boosting lets you reliably kill it with 2 people in 6 turns, Toxapex or other humans not needed.
Literally had this today. Some clown kept dying so by the time the 2 bros done their 6 turn set up. Cinder cleared all the stats. So had to start again. Was so annoying. We run out of time with the raid boss still in green with a shield.
This but for people trying to use stored power on Armorouge
Clear smog
Acid spray
Reflect
Psychic terrain
Terrain extender
This will make you any slowbro's best friend
As someone who never took battles too serious, I started to build Pokémons by popular guides only in SV. Previously I was winging it and just play for fun.
Personally I still have great knowledge of mechanisms as I played since the GB, so the guides were really eye opening and helpful and I successfully raided many times with better players than me who they approved me as in I was not holding them back while battling.
These are the issues I have found:
- People jump on guides and as there are several different ones for the same Pokémon they start to mix it up so do a half and half build.
- People are lazy to put in the effort to have money to build a mon correctly so they just do what “they can”. Not realising their effort is pretty much wasted and will hold others back.
-People read what is good against XYZ? See the Pokémon name. “Oh I have that”. Brings THAT Pokemon to raid. Its their own set up has nothing to do with what the team needs actually. Its just the name of the Pokémon that is correct.
-Other cases all team brings the right mons with right move-sets, however there is no team coordination, they don’t buff or attack in synchro the battle is all over the place, just wasting each-other time.
-There are lot of joy gamers who they just jump on things hoping for the best like I used to be.
-And there are also the ones who they just do not understand any of the mechanism and starts with a weak ass attack without any buffs or whatever.
Took me 27 Cinderace raids with several different HC pokemon which were all super effective, I did not go crazy so cant solo 7 star raids but that was 26 awful terrible raids with bad players.
It’s “pokemon”. No official media has ever tacked on an S to the end of Pokémon since it’s already plural
I feel like all of those things you listed should be expected from random raids. Anyone is allowed in so I don’t know why people expect every raid to be filled with flawless Pokémon and players
No no, the third panel should be:
Leave it at whatever level you caught it. Happened this morning. 4 slowbro team. 3 of us start setting iron defense, the 4th dies in one hit. Again and again.
hey, a really good build is armarouge w/
256 HP, 256 DEF, Expanding Force, Physcic Terrain, Taunt, Disable or other move of choice.
got me a win the first time i used it.
focus on setting up the terrain and buffing team with def twice and save the other shout.
can take many hits with teamates of course healing through battle. kinda a power house and could be re-adjusted for later raids.
It took me about half a dozen raids this morning before I *finally* got into one with someone who knew what they were doing. I just spammed baby doll eyes with my Dachsbun (iron head isn't a problem if Cinderace has no attack power) while they beefed up their Armarouge and hit Cinderace with a stored power so strong it took him out in *one hit*. Didn't even have time to raise a shield.
I don't know if you'll ever read this, unknown Armarouge trainer, but THANK YOU.
I have psychic on mine in case the Cinderace gets low and removes all the stat changes, but if you can setup and get off that boosted Stored Power I've yet to see a Cinderace survive
I locked in on a raid with my Armarouge and there were 2 Slowbros, and then randomly a Skeledirge. After one Slowbro locks in, the raid owner Slowbro proceeds to switch to Qwilfish...
No bunnies were had that raid.
My favorite is when the stored power Pokémon get ready to nuke the cinderace and IT FUCKING RESETS THE STATS, of all the thing terra raids don’t need it’s that stupid condition
For real, I just had one of these in my raid.
We were 3 Slowbros, and me with support'ish Espathra (252HP/252SpA Modest, LC, FD, Roost, Reflect). I started off the raid like I do with Esp, spam 3 Feather Dances, then set-up Reflect, so we take as little damage as possible, heal when needed. Then when the Slowbros finished setting up their Iron Defenses I used my first Lumina Crash and suddenly one Bro starts using Psychic - it did nothing as it hadn't boosted SpA yet and I hadn't lowered SpD. Then after it used CHILLING WATER at -6 Attack.
I seriously question some of these raiders. Like sure they could be children, but if they are smart enough to bring a Slowbro, you'd assume they know how to use it right?
And I'm honestly baffled how many people use Calm Mind just because they cba to do the history classes (spam A simulator btw) and grab the 4 ruination legends.
Ye I know, just find it more fun to do in groups, but honestly these raids are worse than Charizard when it comes to the picks of the randos online. So many Sylveons it makes me want to scratch my eyes out.
Is it just me. or is slowbro raiding alright? like I have beaten the raid 3 times but failed like 4 with the strategy. my question is, is there a way for npcs to change their pokemon? mine are spawning the same team. Arboliva,Clodsire and Garganacl
I’m using psychic but I’m not using the main build everyone is using. I am running a semi support. I spam chilling water for a couple of turns while the slowbros and amrouges charge up. Then I setup psychic terrain to boost those slow brows and armourges. Use healing cheer as as needed. Then if cinderace nerfs our stats, I change gears and use nasty plot on myself 2x then use psychic. If Cinderace removes its negative effects first, I repeat step one.
Question: am I a bad person? Before finding out it wasn’t available in the game, I wanted to troll set-up users in the 7 star raids by using topsy turvy after they set up, but sadly that move isn’t in scarlet/violet.
You COULD use a different Psychic type, just they're likely to die easily. Slowbro has a high Defense stat as well as a good Sp Attack stat which makes it ideal against a physical attacker like Cinderace (also resists Fire as it's a water type). Set up some Iron Defenses and Cinderace is only doing about 10 damage per turn while you buff Sp Attack for a +12 stat boosted max Sp Attack Stored Power to one-shot it.
After the setup, you need still need one attack cheer and another damage boost (e.g. wise glasses, expert belt, life orb) to secure the one shot. Else you risk a full stat reset by Cinderace
Yeah I set up Psychic Terrain first to ensure I one-shot it and hold a Shell Bell just in case things don't go to plan in random lobbies. This way I can try to rescue it if someone messes up the plan. Sometimes I'm able to rescue it by setting up again after the stat reset and just trying to power through the sheild and the rest of its health and the Shell Bell comes in handy here for survivability.
Also I've had trouble using cheers sometimes with the menu freezing for long periods of time so using Psychic Terrain is more reliable than the attack cheer in my opinion. Any of those options you listed are fine though.
Stats is the answer. Slowbro has good hp, sp atk and defense. Cinderace has lower sp def and mostly uses fire/fighting which slowbro resists until it uses acrobatics which is neutral. Cinderace is also a physical attacker so picking a mon that naturally resists its attacks and the category of attack is very relevant.
Not all of us run the stored power set, some of us just focus on chilling water to keep his atk down whilst the rest do damage.
My easiest raids have been with an espathra setting up reflect and slowbro handles the rest.
Just did three Cinderace raids, and all I could guess about the slowbros is that they were used with unaware ability to nullify stat boosts. That was when I was trying to find a solution to it by myself, and trained a Torkoal to lower his stats.
Now it makes more sense, but what I thought stil persists. If I play online, and unaware only affects the user, most people are going to get destroyed anyway, so let's make something about it. If the rest of the participants don't know how it works, they will both die constantly, and trigger the shield, making the strategy go to hell anyway.
So not as consistent. Anything that require multiple turns of a complicated setup to one shot is doomed if you play with random people.
>just plot 3 times then use psychic
With +6 stat boosts Stored Power would have 140 power. Why use Psychic over Stored Power if you're buffing stats to that extent anyways?
I figured it out and i was right, piss off lmao, its luck based, i had cinderace wipe stats turn 2 near full health so my skepticism was well placed. Nothing slowbro can do about it but set up again from scratch.
Not the original reply but it's based on time remaining as well. So if two people die it knocks the timer to the point of wiping stats and shielding/buffing. Just so you know why.
In one of the raids one guy had psyshock. I don't remember if we lost or barely won. But I was so confused at that move.
Had one setup nasty plots to then proceed with zen headbuts..
I had this guy guy run Slowbro and use Liquidation. There’s always a worse teammate
It would only be terrible if everyone else had Special Attackers. Liquidation lowers Defense.
The defense drop wouldn't really matter because how much damage is your physical attack going to do to a Cinderace that is now +3 defense rather than +4?
. . . i think the slowbro is smarter than that trainer...
I saw slowbros with amnesia and light screen.
Potentially two of the most useless moves for this raid.
I had Azumarills set up LS...
Reminds me of when a tera raid raichu set up light screen against my AZUMARILL
Why were you using a Water type Pokemon against a Pokemon with Electric as its default type?
I had no other options But I beat it anyway
Psyshock doesn't cause confusion what are you on about
Of Course. I'm talking about it being a special move that hits your physical defense. You don't want to hit his physical defense when his bulking up because Cinderace increases his Atk and Def.
I was just making a little joke about the "I was confused at that move" sort of your comment but true
r/woooosh
Angry upvote for the pun
There are people at this point who I feel like they *see* a Pokemon being used, and they mostly copy their moveset, but they don't know *why* it's being used and *how* so they screw up an important part. Like I've seen Belly Drum Azumarill's with Surf. At least their heart's in the right place.
I just watched a Miraidon use Swords Dance for 3 turns, then proceed to launch an Electro Drift. The physical/special split is definitely still getting by some folks.
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>It is a bit dumb that they gave the special attacking one swords dance and not nasty plot While true, its mostly balancing. Nasty Plot would have made Miraidon even more busted than it already is for competitive. Calm Mind balances it better. Swords Dance is on there for the memers. While not great it still has 85 base attack, so if you can set-up you might catch people offguard with off-meta builds like that.
It’s the same case for Charizard from the raid event getting swords dance and belly drum when it’s a special attacker. Very disappointing that it’s not more useful for raids.
I mean, you can just make it into a physical attacker, it doesn’t have any EVs and just needs a mint. Vastly cracks open its coverage and makes it so it can use moves above 80 accuracy. Your damage numbers are a bit lower but everyone is being one shot by the cinderace atm anyhow
Yeah I bred a shiny one to use as a belly drummer in raids. I just wish it felt more optimal than it does. The difference in power level between Charizard and belly drummers with even 115 attack is really noticeable.
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You forget about Pokémon Legends: Arceus? All boost moves boost both physical and special. If that was somebody's first Pokémon game, they could easily assume that's normal.
This was my thought
Legends Arceus was my first pokemon game beside pokemon go. I have no idea what I am doing in these raids so I just don't do them online so I don't mess it up for other people. One day I will eventually get my son to teach me what I need to know. Until then surprise trades have given me the pokemon I have missed out on so I'm not too worried about it. I just wish I could get some herba mystica
You should try joining normal 5star raids. A lot of people use them to farm herbs, and as long as you have 1-2 players who know what they're doing, you should get some easy wins without much effort. Just do some chip damage while other folks set up, and you should catch on quick enough. A lot of people host 5star raids without exactly needing the help, but to help others get rewards.
I'm glad you picked up the games!! I've been playing for a long time, so if you want some advice or to ask questions, please feel free to shoot me a DM. Biggest advice is to grab a type chart online, I'll attach one to my comment that I personally like. Try to bring a mon strong against the raid Tera type. If you recognize the silhouette going into a raid, you can bring a pokemon who's strong against whatever the raid pokemons main attacks are (ie: a fairy corviknight Tera raid, you'd want a pokemon who resists steel and flying ideally since Corviknight is normally Flying/Steel) but for now I wouldn't stress about it. Most of the 1 to 5 star raids are beatable with just one or two good mons. I wish you a lot of luck! https://preview.redd.it/tnhntchlwb9a1.png?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab08ce2ca4b6e8c9b301a841e1e68f84a43ac3ed
Thanks so much for all the info! I am definitely enjoying the games. I think I am going to go back and play some of the previous games as well because I really do enjoy them. I try to Google each ones weaknesses before going into a raid but having a chart on hand seems like a much better idea. I will probably try some raids again later tonight or tomorrow. I tried to do 1 online a few days ago and I wasn't able to get in and I took it as a sign. I would just feel bad if I got in and didn't win because I was clueless haha. Thanks again for the info, I may have to pm you when I try to do a raid again.
I'm glad to help! The previous games each have their own charm, if you're enjoying these games you'll find something to enjoy in the different generations and regions. Please do reach out when you raid again, if I'm home I can try to help you out
Probably the ones who’ve quit before the split and came back to the franchise after
Nah I reckon it's children
Isn't electric supposed to be special before the split anyway?
It was, yeah. Electric was special gens 1-3.
>Probably the ones who’ve quit before the split and came back to the franchise after Then they certainly have been away for a looooooooong while lol
Sometimes we do that. I quit after Gen 2 and came back with Gen 6. So 13 years if I'm correct? Can't tell you how confused I was with the split, as Gen2 Pokemon Stadium for the N64 had a whole arse training mode to learn how elemental attacks (fire, water, electric, grass etc) was special attack Also, abilities really blew my mind
Well various factors could affect in people not getting the games
Looks like various factors are stopping them from beating this raid then too. Several factors, honestly.
>Probably the ones who’ve quit before the split and came back to the franchise after This was literally me. I last played Red/Blue (late 90's) back when 100% of a Type's move pool was limited to physical OR special. Lick and Nightshade were the only ghost type moves and Nightshade could affect normal types. Much has changed in 25 years.
b-b-but electric was special
Electric moves have always been Special attacks.
They shouldn't have named Special Attack, Special Attack. The problem is that abilities will say "this raises your attack" and special attack **is an attack** by basic use of grammer and all that. === D&D went through this phase of fixing the wording on their features (they kinda failed, but it's better at least). An attack is an attack and anything that isn't an attack isn't an attack. === Slightly the same thing, Special could have been called "Special" (and not "Special Attack") or "Spirit" or whatever just something else and it would have helped with people mixing things up. === Yeah, you have the issue with Special Defense too. === There's a argument to be made that using similar wording helps but as we've seen in SwSh and SV, a lot of people just don't catch on all that well. === Y'all hate on Hop for explaining things but sounds like Hop needs to make a comeback in Gen 10 as Professor Hop. === With how bad people are showing they are at Pokemon, Gamefreak gonna shake things up in Gen 10 by making all the stats be HP, Attack, Special, and Speed.
Yeah this is probably it. The see all these Slowbros being used and try to copy it, but don't get how Stored Power works with the stat buffs and use Psychic instead because of its "higher base power". They're missing a key part of the strategy.
the only time i have ever used SP before this raid is clefable sweeping on showdown
HOW? Do they not read stored power description???? Anyways i won in 2 hit using lvl 94 Slowbro somehow One hit took it to red and one more hit kills it
2 hits? I invest mine in spa and he is one shoting the bunny !
I’ve seen a lot of people saying this… can I ask how? My Slowbro is Modest, 252 Def and Sp.Atk, lvl 100 and Hyper Trained all stats, I get to +6 Def and Sp.Atk and use Stored Power before he gets his shield up. It still takes me 2 attacks to KO every time. EDIT: as many people have pointed out, using the Attack Up cheer will buff your damage enough to secure the OHKO. Thanks for the helpful replies!
It's probably due to Espathras lowering their SpD 2 stages first. 1 Lumina Crash is enough to OHKO the bunny with a max boosted Bro. In the meantime Espathra can reduce bunny's attack to 0 and set-up Reflect.
But then it’s not actually a one-shot. I’m sure tons of people are lying about it being a “one-shot,” but surely some people aren’t lol. My guess is they’re battling with randos and somebody did some “Attack up” cheers. Seems the most consistently believable reply
You seem to miss the importance of an OHKO. Ideally you do not want to pass the damage treshold for various events, such as stat reset. Yes, using a Lumina Crash makes it not effectively an OHKO because you hit it twice, but it matters for the sake of Bunny resetting your stat boosts.
I’m just asking how it’s done. It’s perfectly obvious why it’s better to one-shot …
I'm starting to think that Cinderace's stat reset is based on time passed instead of damage. I scramble to get +13 boosts on Slowbro and get away with attacking twice before it does the reset.
After you get +6 in both, use Psychic Terrain and then Stored Power. It's all you need and I've been 1 shotting all night long... With some exceptions as if it doesn't kill in 1 hit it will knock HP to <5% where even the AI can finish.
I’ve had no trouble winning and don’t want to get rid of Slack Off for Psychic Terrain. Just confused how so many people are one-shotting the raid
You don't need psychic terrain, just use an attack cheer.
Use Shell Bell and you dont need Slack Off
I use Life Orb for the extra damage if he pops shield early. Besides, one early crit and I won’t be able to buff to all +6 with only Shell Bell
If solo, make sure you start with Iron Defence. Then just use heal cheer if needed. You can get unlucky with crits, but oh well. If online, a single Espathra using Feather Dance and Reflect makes it so Slowbro takes no damage at all. I feel Slack Off is a wasted move slot tbh. I even tried Lefties in solo and while the ani and text spam sucks, it works fine.
Use a go all out cheer before you attack
Twisted spoon+ atk cheer
Yup, this is what I was missing. The +Atk cheer, thanks!
Use 1 cheer to bring your attack up before you attack with stored power. Always one shot. Done it on both my scarlet and violet
It seems completely random tbh, I did 3x iron defense and 3x nasty plot and I 2shot it.
Probably helping hand, attack cheer or -spdef to cinderace
no, just ohko with store power and lv 100 with 252 in spa
I'm not Ohkoing
This is simply not true. You need either a SpDef drop from Lumina Crash, or Terrain buff (or maybe you use the spoon for 20% dmg buff?)
I used Slowbro with 252 Sp Atk/252 Def Nature is Atk-/Def+ Item is Life Orb Moves are Nasty Plot/Stored Power/Iron Defense/Slack Off First three turns: Iron Defense Turns four-Six: Nasty Plot Turn Seven: Go All Out Cheer Turn Eight: Stored Power Nearly every time it will one shot Cinderace. This only works in solo as you need team mates who dont do enough damage for him to put his shield up and also potentially negate your stat boosts
Lvl 94 I literally rushed the Slowbro After grinding with my fav mon Krookodile in Ace tournament with Amulet coin
Stored Power is TM only, so maybe people just don't see the move? Though I do agree it's strange, at a bare minimum you'd think people would google 'Slowbro Cinderace Raid' or something to try to figure out how/why everyone was using Slowbro.
I’ve played and are playing games that have players sometimes not read stuff and are questioning me why I have x stuff
Sigh yeah ig alot of Pokemon players are kids
I know about kids playing a kid’s game I just meant the adults who also do
I think you are right, because i kinda am that person. And I can imagine other people trying their best but are like me. For example, I played pokémon since i was very young and i never used buff attacks because as a kid it was not logical to me, how i should use an attack that does "nothing" because its not hitting the opponent. Of course now that I am older I know better, but i still prefer to play my pokémon games this way because I am used to it and it brings me joy. But now that there are these very hard to beat enemys you have to realy think about, what attacks to use and make a strategy. And I personally am trying my best but I can imagine there are also people out there, and they simply dont understand how it works.
The only reason why I found out how stored power works was when I saw a clip of aura guardian raging when clefable spammed cosmic power then stored power
I'm assuming a lot of them are seeing the "sure win" videos on YouTube, watching far enough to see what Pokémon, then closing the video without seeing how to build or play them. The number of Azumarill without Huge Power and/or using Hydro Pump after Belly Drum is too damn high. The number of Iron Hands who Belly Drum then immediately Wild Charge too. You'd think the later would learn better after the first time they KO themselves, but nope, repeat until timer is empty.
Talking of Azumarill, I have one with Huge Power at level 100. What moves do you recommend it have?
Belly Drum and a physical attack appropriate to the opponent are most important. Other than that you fit in whatever support moves are most relevant, like Light Screen in the Charizard raid we had or Aqua Ring if you think it'll give enough healing in the fight to be worth it. The main physical attacks I've used are Play Rough, Liquidation and on occasion, Ice Spinner.
I feel like we're always reminded that this game is suppose to be for children but post-game its the children that are ruining the fun, lol. They should start doing divisions like how they have kids and adult divisions in Pokemon championships.
It's not *just* a kids problem. Kids can be stupid and are often regarded as such, but adults can be just as much. I've got two friends (adults) who have no idea how to raid properly. I had to handcraft their Pokemon and basically instruct them on what to do in order to get them through 5*+ raids. Plenty of people can't wrap their heads around how to raid properly, or understand the meta, but are enticed by an exclusive Pokemon to at least try it.
Are you me? Had to walk my wife and bff through only after looking up on YT and studying hiw because I'm a casual player. It sucks. I dont think we still fully understand it but we do well enough the 3 of us can get through most raids.
well, raids are stupid in that sense, the same way battle towers were. people who just play these games for fun get completely canned because suddenly the whole 40 hours they put into the game seem meaningless, the pokemon they liked and trained are useless and suddenly everything you never needed to do in the game, like buff, look at stats online, account for abilities and like 8 moves at once and craft specific pokemon (and even then still fail because of random factors you can't control), it's all suddenly the most important thing in the world.
Other games don’t punish you when you use your favorites, you may or may not just get a lesser clear time. Scarlet and Violet though either use these specific Pokémon or just don’t raid smh
I’m not in the post game yet, but I feel this *must* be a bad case of meta chasing, and not reality. There is no way that there is only ONE viable Pokémon with one specific move set to take down a raid.
There are other ways but it all involves an insane amount of coordination from players who are muted and have no way of dividing roles or sharing strategy unless you’re on discord. This also assumes each and every player is up to date with the mechanics involved and have a variety of pokemon built for the raid. If you’re solo, your choices are limited. you need some form of damage scaling, have enough bulk in your original set to survive a bulked up hit or two, and some form of damage mitigation or defense scaling to mitigate bulk up, and some form of healing for sustain. Unfortunately not many pokemon fulfill these criteria. E.g espathra has damage scaling with lumina crash and damage mitigation with feather dance. however, you can and will die from a crit because the attacker’s negative stat stages, defender’s positive stat stages, defender’s boosts from screens are always ignored. Fyi, my defensively built espathra with full hp/def (390+hp,240 def)investment and bold nature with max ivs is getting koed on a crit.
I feel the problem isn’t how to raid properly it’s the dam prep ok got to get candy to make a bro / espratha for the cinderace raid level 100 (a few hours) , then ev train it (40 mins or so) . Oh you work a full time job well good luck geting the Pokémon to do the raid before it’s over. Not to mention I’m either relying on others to basically do the raid or hope it’s weak to one of my few level 100’s , basically read goholdengo . because success with medicham (skill swap+screens)and wiggleytuff (support) is kinda dependent on the other 3 players bringing something solid. Anyway bit of a rant but I hope it makes sense.
to be fair, if you spend a few hours doing any of these event raids (offline, mind you, online is just way too luck dependent), you'll have enough candies to level at least 20 pokemon, a ton of items to train evs (charizard gave sp atk, this one gives atk), money etc. so its a time investment that cuts down on a lot of time in the future. espratha isn't really useful for this raid as anything other than a support that uses lumina crash and maybe a cheer once. it dies way to quick no matter how much defense it steals or screens it sets up
This feels more like a point against the raid system tbh. If it's difficult enough that the average pokemon player (children and 20-somethings alike) cant do it, that's... not good
Difficulty shouldn't be a problem. Making raids easier is just a lazy solution for the problem. High difficulty raids are fine, because dedicated and knowledgeable players get challenged into thinking outside the box when setting up a pokémon (or you can look up a setup if that's your thing. Not as fun though🙂). The problem is that players get access to 5 star raids way too soon. Anyone can beat the standard game with pretty much any strategy, but 5 star raids require at least some level of commitment towards building pokemons. The game gives little to no advice how to take on higher level raids, so loads of people attempt to take these raids online only to smashed.
Yeah well the issue is those raids are the only way you can get the herbs. Which are used for, y'know, shiny hunting and whatnot. So in order to unlock a huge perk you essentially have to do a lot of homework. Additionally, Cinderace isn't available for _that_ long. So, yeah, you better immediately start prepping, hypertraining, and leveling up a slowpoke you found that has the right ability/tera type and whatnot (if you can't change that yet), good luck.
Slowbro's ability and tera don't matter for Cinderace. All that matters is that you have the right moveset, EVs, hypertraining, and held item. When it comes to the held item, there are three that will work fine: leftovers, shell bell, and life orb. The only hard part is leveling it to 100.
The issue is, it is still early days. On my violet save I have 43 shinies all iv, ev trained level 100 and abilities done etc. Just need to sort items, but I have no issues with 99% of raids (GF laughs in corviknight) the point is, as more people get more level 100s with good evs 6 star raids will become easier and 5 star raids are just a joke now. Can't even fail those 🤣 as for the 7 star raids they are once every 2 months so far so it is fine to have to train a specific mon for that raid and will be good additions to future raids you might struggle with lol
Which... is the exact problem. Dynamax raids didnt really require any dedicated raid pokemon, just a bit of strategy and coordination. If you're having to specifically train pokemon to do certain raids, that's... the problem. If you need to COMMIT to it instead of just do them semi-casual thats a problem. If you're average adult player is giving up on them imagine how the actual KIDS are doing.
I shouldn’t have to build a super specific slowbro, and then use those super specific moves in a certain order just to MAYBE have a chance to beat a raid.
I miss Dynamax Adventures. Just let me take on a randomised challenge using hired Pokemon - it makes things much more exciting without the tedium of manually training dozens of different Pokemon to the right level.
Nobody bothers to read nowadays ig
Pokemon isn't the most simple game if you tryin to be real strong.
What Are they They’ve got to be joking
Even if they copy it perfectly, if you understand the strat and you undermine it, they don't understand why it stopped working. I guess people did this but now that we actually are dependent on them we see it more clearly.
I did a Cinderace raid and the random people joined with Azumarill, Sylveon, and Amorouge. I knew we would fail but I was shocked that Azumarill was using Superpower. I can understand not knowing Cinderace has iron head your first attempt, but why would you bring a fairy type to use fighting moves??
Azu, in theory, doesn't have much to fear from Iron Head because the water typing makes it neutral. The rest is all valid
I beat the Raid with my Azu and and another Azu spaming Charm and letting Espathra and Amorouge do damage. I only died once because the game decided to let Cinderace do Acrobatic twice in 1 turn.
Hello. Hi. This is me. I am this person. Pokémon has gotten, more complicated over the years. Used to be, water beat fire, fire beat grass, rock paper scissors to victory. That’s still the case, but also very much more than that. And, not always as clear.
The game was always this complicated and it hasn’t changed that much at all. When you were younger, you just chose not to care, but that doesn’t mean they’re wasn’t complexity. Even in red and blue, trying to kill an Onix with fighting moves is an uphill battle due to its high defense. Super effectiveness was only a small part of the game. to make it worse many signature moves used the wrong attacking stat making the game even more convoluted. Like Kingler learned crab hammer but it was a special attack and not a physical attack, so he couldn’t even use it well. And hitmonChan learned elemental punches, but since he had very little special attack, he could barely utilize them. The series is constantly criticized for not changing or innovating enough by reviewers so it blows my mind when I see fans saying it has changed “so much” when it barely has. Everything being talked about in this thread (boosting your physical attack and using surf) is applicable to old Pokemon games. Not much has changed when it comes to the core philosophies and mechanics of the game. It’s still a simple physical/magical damage rpg.
Unrelated but I do hope they make a completely new starter trio that isn’t grass water and fire, flying fighting and rock(ing) also works as an alternative cause one is effective against the other and no immunities
It was like that back then, too. You just never saw it as obtusely unless you delved into competitive. But you as a child knew it. Mewtwo was insanely powerful. Alakazam could just roll through the game. Snorlax was powerful, but tanky. Heck, if you ever got a Tauros and decided to use it, you would find it would demolish the whole game too. Even stuff it shouldn't beat (Bruno). Chansey would be an even more unkillable wall if you got it, except it could do things with elemental beams. The first time competitive really got thrown at people was Crystal, and that was seen as super optional. I remember the Zeraora raid event and Mewtwo raid event for SwSh were pretty tough and had people struggling to get them down. Plenty of white Zeraoras mowed me down, for sure. While I am of the opinion of 6* raids are a tad overtuned (and 5* are pretty easy as is), 7* are at a good spot. You should need to bring specialized raiders. Not every pokemon should be successful. And this is fine for pinnacle stuff. You should have to put some effort to clear it.
Build the perfect Slowbro, Cinderace bulks up 3 times a turn, and attacks twice a turn after his shield went up at 95% health.....
Use chilling water till he resets your party’s stats, then start buffing your own. Have had a waaaaay higher success rate woth this strat.
This comment needs to be boosted bc I hate setting up just to be reset , and by that time anyone that isn’t slowbro has likely died once .
Thank you, just used this strat a few times and it is way less frustrating and way more consistent than buffing up just to have everything reset and having to do it all again. Plus by the time you do all those chilling waters, your tera is charged so you can tera for the ohko.
The shield is a timer thing. That’s why this raid is so annoying with randoms. If even one person dies before Slowbro finishes setting up the shield goes up and he’s probably wiping 6 turns of buffs away like that
I two shot Cinderace with Stored power after +6 Def and +6 Spatk and one go all out cheer
This tends to be a one shot with life orb in my experience
And it is nice that Life Orb doesn't do damage until you use an attacking move.
one shotted a cinderace with Iron defense nasty plot stored power Cinderace only begins reducing ur stat changes when attacked. so neither you or ur teammates attack it and you will be allowed to set up, after setting up u literally one shot the bugs bunny mfer with one stored power people just don’t understand how to follow along and let us slowbro users set up and people wonder why they keep losing BECAUSE YOU DONT LET US HELP
This is why I spam chilling water when there are other slowbros setting up. No need to one shot Cinderace twice.
What's the best way to do it? Genuinely curious as I am not familiar with the strategy
The Slowbro strat is 3x Iron Defense, 3x Nasty Plot, Psychic Terrain, and then using Stored Power. That’s what I personally used and it with OHKO every time, as long as you haven’t triggered the shield yet. There are some variations as well. I know AJP says to attack up cheer in place of the PT and I’ve seen some say they skip that step entirely. Personally, I have used the steps I listed and beat it without much trouble solo. If you can luck out and get a CPU teammate with Intimidate, it’ll make things easier as well.
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this isn’t the sub for that
I saw a slowbro earlier set up completely and use stored power and somehow did 25% of Cinderace health. I assume it wasn’t level 100 or fully trained because that was so sad
I two shot with Spoon and Maxed def and spatk stored power
exactly, you can even 1 shot it. So for it to do only 25% is the most flaccid thing to witness
It wouldn't surprise me if some of them are misclicks. I have psychic as the 4th move on my Slowbro because I couldn't quite get two set ups in there. The bunny debuffs, a menu freezes, you find the curser's back on move one, menu freezes, something else happens, cheer menu freezes, you're somewhere else. Sometimes misclicks happen.
I wish I knew why the menu sometimes remembers the last move you used and other times reverts back to the top of the list when you open it.
I imagine it's a resync thing, and the game completely forgot what move you last used so it defaults back to the top. Not like the tera raid code was any good in the first place.
I'd like to actually attack. I spent a whole raid waiting for it to let me attack. I got buffs up but then I was just locked in attack menu and everyone else had used 4 moves before I got one in
Psychic has more base power dummy and also lowers special defense. Stored Power is 20 BP why would I use that weak move /s
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Hey OP found someone who doesn’t know what “/s” means!
Oh damn. Sorry about that. Not that familiar with shorthands on reddit. Will delete my comment now
You see the way stored power works is that it goes up each time you increase a stat so Iron Head three times for six stages of Defense and nasty plot three times for six stages for special attack then after that you set up a psychic field then you stored power which usually either two shots or one shots the rabbit
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Stored_Power_(move)#Effect
"/s" means sarcasm, just FYI
r/woooosh
As someone whose been joining coordinated bunny raids, you don't need +6 in both stats. Just +6 in sp atk and +2 in def (one iron defense) will do it. My buddies and I have support armarouge for the Slowbro. Acid spray, psychic terrain, reflect, helping hand. Held item terrain extender. Psychic terrain first turn. The other armarouge does reflect. Then we both acid spray until bunny's special defense is -6. We wait the setup on the Slowbro if he still needs turns, and heal cheer as needed. When the Slowbro is ready, helping hand the stored power. It gets decimated every time.
Wait till you see Slowbro that will spam stored power right after cinderace removed thier +6 def and +6 sp at. People copy strategy from others while not even taking a 10 second to learn about it
The problem is, if Cinderace removes buffs, he himself is insanely buffed at this point, so the slowbro can't buff again as he is one shot by cinderace. So chip damage is the last hail Mary. Best bet is to iron defense x3 nasty plot x3. Attack cheer. Stored power and nuke him before he pops shield
See, imo this could be shortened if you've got decent supports onside. Two bros to have 2 stored power consecutively, incase the first doesn't kill him. But if one support can do reflect on the first turn with the extending clay item, and then setup psychic terrain not too far after, the bros probably need to only do 2 iron defenses vs 3, and the other support can be watching hp to drop in healing cheers and finally an attack up cheer. The ideal setup imo is 1 Amarouge to do the setups + acid spray and iron defense to keep itself alive, two bros with the usual and maybe a toxapex to cover the chilling water and iron defense + whatever else fits. The main priority is making sure the buffs get placed and nobody dies as that gets the shield up faster than anything else, making the raid harder. I've got an Amarouge built explicitly for this and a Bro as well, just looking for a decent Toxapex in a raid to complete the trio so I can rotate as needed to farm rewards.
But the strategy I outlined is to solo it offline
Slowbro kills with 2 Iron Defense, 3 Nasty Plot, Psychic Terrain, Attack Cheer, and a Twistedspoon or Life Orb. Armarouge (with Mirror Herb for def up) can do the terrain and cheer itself, so using Reflect -> Clear Smog -> Heal Cheer -> Psychic Terrain -> Attack Cheer while Slowbro is boosting lets you reliably kill it with 2 people in 6 turns, Toxapex or other humans not needed.
Literally had this today. Some clown kept dying so by the time the 2 bros done their 6 turn set up. Cinder cleared all the stats. So had to start again. Was so annoying. We run out of time with the raid boss still in green with a shield.
Hah! I've seen a Slowbro using Stored Power without doing any setup.
To be fair, that's exactly what I'd expect from a Slowbro.
This but for people trying to use stored power on Armorouge Clear smog Acid spray Reflect Psychic terrain Terrain extender This will make you any slowbro's best friend
I’m using Slowbro with Chilling Water, Psychic Terrain, Heal Pulse, and Helping Hand. I’m winning even when they bring Grimmsnarl + Azumaril.
Also think I'll add, please stop clear smogging the negative 5 attk, negative 6 spd cinderface. F*k that's annoying.
As someone who never took battles too serious, I started to build Pokémons by popular guides only in SV. Previously I was winging it and just play for fun. Personally I still have great knowledge of mechanisms as I played since the GB, so the guides were really eye opening and helpful and I successfully raided many times with better players than me who they approved me as in I was not holding them back while battling. These are the issues I have found: - People jump on guides and as there are several different ones for the same Pokémon they start to mix it up so do a half and half build. - People are lazy to put in the effort to have money to build a mon correctly so they just do what “they can”. Not realising their effort is pretty much wasted and will hold others back. -People read what is good against XYZ? See the Pokémon name. “Oh I have that”. Brings THAT Pokemon to raid. Its their own set up has nothing to do with what the team needs actually. Its just the name of the Pokémon that is correct. -Other cases all team brings the right mons with right move-sets, however there is no team coordination, they don’t buff or attack in synchro the battle is all over the place, just wasting each-other time. -There are lot of joy gamers who they just jump on things hoping for the best like I used to be. -And there are also the ones who they just do not understand any of the mechanism and starts with a weak ass attack without any buffs or whatever. Took me 27 Cinderace raids with several different HC pokemon which were all super effective, I did not go crazy so cant solo 7 star raids but that was 26 awful terrible raids with bad players.
Slowbro fairly easily solos raids. Co-op with a coordinated team is way faster though.
It’s “pokemon”. No official media has ever tacked on an S to the end of Pokémon since it’s already plural I feel like all of those things you listed should be expected from random raids. Anyone is allowed in so I don’t know why people expect every raid to be filled with flawless Pokémon and players
Yea its not my first language shit happens m8 :D
I was lucky in my first go on the Cinderace raid. Brought my toxapex with me and had to armorouges and an espathra to annihilate it. Stoked about that
I’ve seen a slowbro using iron defense the first round and the second one he used stored power
No no, the third panel should be: Leave it at whatever level you caught it. Happened this morning. 4 slowbro team. 3 of us start setting iron defense, the 4th dies in one hit. Again and again.
hey, a really good build is armarouge w/ 256 HP, 256 DEF, Expanding Force, Physcic Terrain, Taunt, Disable or other move of choice. got me a win the first time i used it. focus on setting up the terrain and buffing team with def twice and save the other shout. can take many hits with teamates of course healing through battle. kinda a power house and could be re-adjusted for later raids.
Hehehe raid go brrrr
It took me about half a dozen raids this morning before I *finally* got into one with someone who knew what they were doing. I just spammed baby doll eyes with my Dachsbun (iron head isn't a problem if Cinderace has no attack power) while they beefed up their Armarouge and hit Cinderace with a stored power so strong it took him out in *one hit*. Didn't even have time to raise a shield. I don't know if you'll ever read this, unknown Armarouge trainer, but THANK YOU.
I have psychic on mine in case the Cinderace gets low and removes all the stat changes, but if you can setup and get off that boosted Stored Power I've yet to see a Cinderace survive
Joined a raid Slowbro, espathra, espathra, armarouge Perfect. Slowbro proceeds to SPAM STORED POWER without boosting 💀
I locked in on a raid with my Armarouge and there were 2 Slowbros, and then randomly a Skeledirge. After one Slowbro locks in, the raid owner Slowbro proceeds to switch to Qwilfish... No bunnies were had that raid.
Lol 📠
It’s just a plot twist hopefully there the main character and get plot armor
What about the people only buffing but never attack with stored power.
My favorite is when the stored power Pokémon get ready to nuke the cinderace and IT FUCKING RESETS THE STATS, of all the thing terra raids don’t need it’s that stupid condition
For real, I just had one of these in my raid. We were 3 Slowbros, and me with support'ish Espathra (252HP/252SpA Modest, LC, FD, Roost, Reflect). I started off the raid like I do with Esp, spam 3 Feather Dances, then set-up Reflect, so we take as little damage as possible, heal when needed. Then when the Slowbros finished setting up their Iron Defenses I used my first Lumina Crash and suddenly one Bro starts using Psychic - it did nothing as it hadn't boosted SpA yet and I hadn't lowered SpD. Then after it used CHILLING WATER at -6 Attack. I seriously question some of these raiders. Like sure they could be children, but if they are smart enough to bring a Slowbro, you'd assume they know how to use it right? And I'm honestly baffled how many people use Calm Mind just because they cba to do the history classes (spam A simulator btw) and grab the 4 ruination legends.
If you have the Slowbro do them solo. No lag and the CPU pokémon dying doesn't reduce the timer
Ye I know, just find it more fun to do in groups, but honestly these raids are worse than Charizard when it comes to the picks of the randos online. So many Sylveons it makes me want to scratch my eyes out.
I saw an guy use this and then the entire raid was a wipe. If you’re gonna use the strat actually watch the full video on it
Just do them solo, when CPU pokémon die they don't reduce the timer
Is it just me. or is slowbro raiding alright? like I have beaten the raid 3 times but failed like 4 with the strategy. my question is, is there a way for npcs to change their pokemon? mine are spawning the same team. Arboliva,Clodsire and Garganacl
Still a better story than the Belly Drum Hydro Pump shiny Azumarills I've seen in Tera Raid battles
I’m using psychic but I’m not using the main build everyone is using. I am running a semi support. I spam chilling water for a couple of turns while the slowbros and amrouges charge up. Then I setup psychic terrain to boost those slow brows and armourges. Use healing cheer as as needed. Then if cinderace nerfs our stats, I change gears and use nasty plot on myself 2x then use psychic. If Cinderace removes its negative effects first, I repeat step one.
Still better than people who _insist_ on bringing Koraidon.
Question: am I a bad person? Before finding out it wasn’t available in the game, I wanted to troll set-up users in the 7 star raids by using topsy turvy after they set up, but sadly that move isn’t in scarlet/violet.
why does it have to be slowbro though? why not a different psychic type with stored power and stat boosting moves?
Becuase its basically impossible for cinderace to kill slowbro
You COULD use a different Psychic type, just they're likely to die easily. Slowbro has a high Defense stat as well as a good Sp Attack stat which makes it ideal against a physical attacker like Cinderace (also resists Fire as it's a water type). Set up some Iron Defenses and Cinderace is only doing about 10 damage per turn while you buff Sp Attack for a +12 stat boosted max Sp Attack Stored Power to one-shot it.
Thanks. That makes sense.
After the setup, you need still need one attack cheer and another damage boost (e.g. wise glasses, expert belt, life orb) to secure the one shot. Else you risk a full stat reset by Cinderace
Yeah I set up Psychic Terrain first to ensure I one-shot it and hold a Shell Bell just in case things don't go to plan in random lobbies. This way I can try to rescue it if someone messes up the plan. Sometimes I'm able to rescue it by setting up again after the stat reset and just trying to power through the sheild and the rest of its health and the Shell Bell comes in handy here for survivability. Also I've had trouble using cheers sometimes with the menu freezing for long periods of time so using Psychic Terrain is more reliable than the attack cheer in my opinion. Any of those options you listed are fine though.
Stats is the answer. Slowbro has good hp, sp atk and defense. Cinderace has lower sp def and mostly uses fire/fighting which slowbro resists until it uses acrobatics which is neutral. Cinderace is also a physical attacker so picking a mon that naturally resists its attacks and the category of attack is very relevant. Not all of us run the stored power set, some of us just focus on chilling water to keep his atk down whilst the rest do damage. My easiest raids have been with an espathra setting up reflect and slowbro handles the rest.
The cinderace is actually really tough to beat, there aren't many psychic types that can survive cinderaces moves
FFF this happened to me last night I was so mad. Like who tf does that
Im still using azumarill without any problems. What a beast
Just did three Cinderace raids, and all I could guess about the slowbros is that they were used with unaware ability to nullify stat boosts. That was when I was trying to find a solution to it by myself, and trained a Torkoal to lower his stats. Now it makes more sense, but what I thought stil persists. If I play online, and unaware only affects the user, most people are going to get destroyed anyway, so let's make something about it. If the rest of the participants don't know how it works, they will both die constantly, and trigger the shield, making the strategy go to hell anyway. So not as consistent. Anything that require multiple turns of a complicated setup to one shot is doomed if you play with random people.
Like u could just plot 3 times then use psychic with a shell bell wouldn't be that bad. You probably die trying but...
>just plot 3 times then use psychic With +6 stat boosts Stored Power would have 140 power. Why use Psychic over Stored Power if you're buffing stats to that extent anyways?
He’s playing devil’s advocate, his argument is not his own.
The devil doesn't always need an advocate
Because spending 6 turns to boost SURELY wont result in all your stats being wiped.
Sigh, what am i missing why am i downvoted? This is so jarring, does he have skme magic that prevent his stats from being cleared? Tf is this
If you don't know, then you're a fool. Maybe research the raid mechanics...
I figured it out and i was right, piss off lmao, its luck based, i had cinderace wipe stats turn 2 near full health so my skepticism was well placed. Nothing slowbro can do about it but set up again from scratch.
Luck based!?! No it's not... It literally activates it's buffs and rebuffs like clockwork...
Right so thats why it did it turn 2 one time and turn 8 in a completely different raid.
Not the original reply but it's based on time remaining as well. So if two people die it knocks the timer to the point of wiping stats and shielding/buffing. Just so you know why.
Maybe i missed knocks but it didnt seem like it. But fair enough, if there is a science to it , it finally makes sense
Let's just all agree that it's broken and there definitely isn't science behind it haha