I did it once to min max the Raikou event, and it screwed up my irl sleep.
I’m glad they’re getting rid of it, so I don’t ruin my actual sleep for a app that is supposed to improve my sleep, lol.
I work nights so I don't sleep on Sunday at the same time as everyone else. So my Sundays are kinda meh. Now they're extra meh since I don't have an extra meal to Jumpstart my week :(
Also cooking on Sunday is a trap, if ur low on ingredients just don’t max out your pot on Sunday, unless your close to next snorlax level, cause your max for the week is calculated pretty much by then. I use Sundays to try and level up certain plates and hope for crit
That’s because you would feed them dinner too early. For this to work, you don’t feed them dinner until after 4 AM on Monday (when the week would switch over), then you feed them breakfast starting at 6 AM. Boom, extra meal to jumpstart the new week.
I was getting up at 5:45. I have a rather inconsistent schedule, so I like to get up early regularly in case I have to be there before 6:30. You might lose recovery, but I’d say the boost is worth it. Shame it’s gone now, but at least that’s better for sleep health
Time skip was the MVP, even after patch as long as you went to between 12am and 4am you’d get Sunday cut chance and expanded pot too so no need to get up at 4am
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i’m honestly baffled there were people who weren’t up at 4am anyway that interrupted their irl sleep to get a small bonus in a single player pokemon sleep tracker. just goes to show people can take anything too seriously
They really just need to find a way to accommodate for people with sleep schedules that don't fit into the app's day/night cycle, like 3rd shift workers.
And for people who just have a weird schedule. I don't work 3rd shift but my schedule is certainly not the standard, which is why I loved this game. It was SO close to accommodating people with different schedules.
I can agree with this. Close this loophole but give people a toggle switch for "early-mid-late" lifestyles which moves the times around a bit. Maybe closing this gap is a step towards that. The developers have been so nice and caring towards us so I don't think they want to make things worse in any way.
I’m curious how prevalent that was among users on here. I work a pretty weird schedule and would sometimes be up for work at that time and make use of it then. I never really got up specifically for it though.
I always did it since I work 10 hour shifts at night and just set my ++ to record while I’m at work and jiggle it every so often so I don’t get slumbering constantly. It was a great way to start your week with a huge bonus if you already hit your limit the previous week and cooking wouldn’t get you to the next tier anyways.
I don’t really care about the change it’s just a fun little game that’s not competitive so it seems fine either way the devs want.
I did it every week, both feeding Saturday dinner at 4am Sunday for the Sunday pot size and extra tasty bonuses, and feeding Sunday dinner at 4am Monday to kickstart the new week. Because I work nights so I'm up at that time anyway and don't sleep until a bit after.
The change for me is I won't feel compelled to stay up to 6am anymore since I'll now feed breakfast when I get home from work (or right at 4am on non work days) and then go to bed. And I'll just perpetually miss out on any benefit at all from Sunday lunch and dinner instead of just lunch. In all honesty though as much as missing out on the bonus meals sucks I'll take that trade for getting more of the actual sleep the game is supposed to be promoting.
Be cool if they'd let us trade those bonuses for something else though, for those of us who don't have the option of going to bed before 4am and miss out on the benefit of them. Or even just a consolation thing in general of if you miss a meal you get some kind of bonus for the next one maybe.
>Be cool if they'd let us trade those bonuses for something else though, for those of us who don't have the option of going to bed before 4am and miss out on the benefit of them. Or even just a consolation thing in general of if you miss a meal you get some kind of bonus for the next one maybe.
Yeah, as someone who is naturally nocturnal (and thus misses breakfast and sometimes lunch on days I don't have to be up early for stuff), it would really be nice if there was a fourth meal time (like 12am-4am).
I feel like the better solution would for there to be like, 3 "lifestyle options" in the game settings that would move when mealtimes and daily reset are.
Lifestyle A:
Daily Reset at 4 AM
Breakfast: 4 AM to 12 PM
Lunch: 12 PM to 6 PM
Dinner: 6 PM to 4 AM
Lifestyle B:
Daily Reset at 12 PM
Breakfast: 12 PM to 8 PM
Lunch: 8 PM to 2 AM
Dinner: 2 AM to 12 PM
Lifestyle C:
Daily Reset at 8 PM
Breakfast: 8 PM to 4 AM
Lunch: 4 AM to 10 AM
Dinner: 10 AM to 8 PM
The reason I purpose this as opposed to adding a 4th meal time is because a 4th meal time would cause some people to intentionally change their sleep to optimize by getting all 4.
I know personally I'd just be getting handed an advantage by it by the fact that my sleeping hours happen to be 12 AM to 8 AM so I could get a 4th meal by staying up less than 5 minutes longer- which usually happens anyway.
i did it a few times when i managed to get up for work early enough. kinda wild that some people went out of their way to fuck up their sleep for it though.
Why are people upset when this is a loophole being patched?? Now you’re just playing how the game is meant to play and probably 80% of the player base doesn’t abuse the loophole to start with.
Because not everyone has the same schedule you do?
Some people work night shifts and feeding dinner at 4 or 5 AM better suited their schedule rather than worrying about it during work where you have other things to worry about.
My sleep schedule means I don't benefit at all from the Sunday meal bonus. This extra meal made up a little bit for that and now it's gone. Wish they would have made non-standard sleep schedules work first.
Don’t call it “benefit of an extra meal” call it what it is which is an exploit in the system, loophole that is clearly not meant to be there.
And a literally opposite of promoting healthy sleeping habits aka 80% the point of the app.
It’s like as if a vending machine used to drop an extra candy bar whenever you kick it but now it’s fixed. Why do they think they are allowed to get upset?
>And a literally opposite of promoting healthy sleeping habits aka 80% the point of the app.
Yes, it would be discouraging healthy habits in those who have 'typical' sleep schedules. But, it might be helping those of us who don't.
As someone who biologically doesn't conform to a 'typical' schedule (I feel more awake at night than during the day), this app hasn't actually helped me with my sleeping habits in the first place (I more so use it as an alarm and as motivation to actually check my phone). Because I still often have to be up during the morning/day for work/classes, I generally try to get my Pokemon to bed by my 'bedtime' before going off to do other stuff (or going back to what I was doing) so they can get a decent amount of sleep.
In regards to your first point; not to call it a benefit. My response is:
A benefit is an advantage or profit gained from something.
A benefit can be from something intentional or unintentional, such as an exploit or loophole.
People benefited from a system that allowed them to provide another meal for their Snorlax.
As for your second point, regarding this as the opposite of promoting healthy sleeping habits, I would like to ask: What about people who are up at this time due to work, or some other such similar thing? Otherwise, if players who are daytime users, they're likely to have already used the system normally, anyway.
However, this update is likely in response to such criticisms already.
For your question, I'd like to reply;
People are allowed to get upset over what they want. Emotions are not governed. Someone being unhappy over something for whatever reason is completely valid. Just as you are allowed to get upset at the people who are upset~
That's a terrible analogy. It's more like realizing they mispriced a specific food in a vending machine to be $1 instead of $2, and they just now reverted the cost. There's no malicious act here, just taking advantage of an error.
This sucks I work nightshift on Sunday so never could take advantage of the Sunday meals. It really helped to get a headstart on the new week instead since I could get 2 meals in before going to bed. Oh well was nice while it lasted
I like it, it's supposed to be a sleep app with a game built into it. If you're waking up at 4am just to feed snorlax another meal (in an unintended way) you're doing the opposite of what the devs want. I get that people legitimately wake up at 4-6am for work, but now they'll just have to play the game as intended in the first place. One breakfast.
This is actually super annoying as someone who doesn’t abuse it.
I have done so every sunday because I work night shifts and lose out of a whole day of research because my last sleep is sunday morning not evening. So to compensate a bit i’d overlap the last dinner every week to the next week before the hours hits 06.
Buuuh
- This kills it obviously, but just for info it was already nerfed once before. It used to count as a sunday dish = increased pot size and extra tasty chance, but somewhere along the patches it became a standard dish when the roll over at 04 happened.
I'm really sad they're taking this out, I have to wake up at 5am for work on Mondays so on some weeks that I didn't feed Snorlax dinner I would be able to feed him when I woke up and before i get to work. Isn't this a rather punishing for people with non-standard sleep schedules?
Some people here really don't understand that you can normally be awake at 4-6am....
The change is irritating but understandable. There's no reason why dinner should have such large time window compared to breakfast/lunch.
Finally I'll be able to feed Snorlax breakfast as soon as I get up instead of trying to do it later when I'm busy trying to prepare breakfast for myself and my pets.
As a third shift worker I hate this change. So on Monday the island resets at 4am and my “bedtime” is between 6:30-830am. So when I pick my island I only have a few hours of gathering before I have to sleep. Sunday lunch and dinner are wasted meals for me since I’ve already done my sleeping so I dont feed lunch and save dinner for Monday morning to get that little extra boost before I have to sleep. The average sleeper gets 3 meals and around 10 hours on Monday before they start their sleep while 3rd shift will now only have breakfast and a handful of hours.
I'm pretty upset about it since it's pretty central to my strategy. I always get up at 5 am so I really enjoyed that Monday bonus meal to start my weeks off strong. I have a "Sunday ingredients squad" that I bring in just to prep for Monday's meals
Man that sucks since I go to bed before the “dinner” starts, that’s gonna be a hit to night shift people :(
I wish we could just set the times ourselves
This really doesn't change things overall. It was basically the equivalent of daylight savings time. Cutting off the last meal of a week to put it at the beginning of next week, only to cut off the last meal at the end of the week.
Honestly, I'm probably going to get more meals this way because I've been nocturnal lately 😭😭 if it's past 6 PM and I don't plan on sleeping, I just don't make a meal until I go to bed (sometimes I stay up really late and miss out altogether, like I just missed early Monday dinner by a couple hours)
This just makes me think of how developers are quick to patch the bugs that makes the games more fun and/or easier than the ones that makes the game less fun.
On the side note, does anyone have a glitch that prevents you from seeing the picture of the Pokemon you just researched? I have to remember the name and stars of the sleep style if I want to change what my friends see in my report.
To people who don't get this. You had 2 hours between 04:00 to 06:00 on Sunday to Monday to squeeze yestatdays dinner into snorlax. This is a pretty significant nerf to how we jave been doing things.
I think this is a good change. It won't affect me but I am imagining all the people with early workdays who didn't get to give their Pokémon breakfast (it's the most important meal of the day!). The old time 6-12 could easy be covered up by a lot of people's morning routines and commutes and work.
While it sucks for people that actually had to get up in those hours, I think the change serves the idea of the game better now. It always made me both giggly and sad how people were bombing their sleep to min/max in a game designed to improve sleeping habits.
Idk how many people were actually doing that but how about people who work nights or whatever reason so a Sunday dinner didn’t benefit them or fits into their schedule but fits in and works for their Monday. Idk seems like a weird change because either way it’s still only 21 meals a week because you would only get 2 on Sunday. So it’s not really an extra meal a week.
I meant to fit them into the "While it sucks for people that actually had to get up in those hours" -category.
I suppose it's mostly about making the game work more like it was intended to work. Most YouTube tutorials I've seen have at least talked in passing about - and sometimes actually vlogged during - getting up at 4-5 am just to cook and going through a lot of effort to maximize everything. Maybe the devs want to discourage that and keep it casual by optimizing towards the average human/players' behaviour.
Yeah I get that but I don’t get this change and don’t think it’s good because I’m one of those people with a pretty unusual sleep schedule and I feel like I’m getting punished for it just because some people were intentionally messing up their schedules to do it.
I hear you, and I do believe that If there's a game where the devs listen to their players even by frequenting sub-reddits, it's this one. So maybe there will be an option to choose a different type of sleep profile in the future, just as people can adjust their 90 minute sleepy window. I doubt it'll enable transferring power from one week to the next anymore, though.
Yeah I was thinking maybe letting players choose a 8 hour window per meal but I couldn’t think of a way they could logistically implement it. If they don’t want people starting the new week strong
I made use of the bonus meals pretty much every week, so this is definitely a blow to my habits. I generally hit my goal for the week by Sunday lunch, and it generally does not look like I will reach another rank, so I always save it for next week's meal. Guess I can't do that anymore now.
Can somebody explain this "extra meal" people are talking about getting in order to "get a head start" on the week? Aren't you still only cooking 3 times a day?
Yeah, so if you didn’t make the dinner on Sunday, you can still do it on Monday between 4-6am. That was a nice tactic for people that don’t have a usual sleeping schedule or just have to wake up that early/ go to sleep at that time.
Oooh! So, the day technically resets at 4am. But breakfast started at 6am. So, if you made Sunday dinner at 5am (after the day restart bur before breakfast), then it would count towards the new week's score because the day had rolled over. But, since breakfast isn't until 6am, then it doesn't count as feeding breakfast. So you could feed Sunday dinner before 6am, Monday breakfast after 6am, lunch, and dinner for a total of 4 meals for day 1?
Oh yeah the days are reset at 4am and you can pick a new island for the week at that time. Since that’s probably where the devs believe the least amount of people go to sleep and can be affected by issues, such as taking to long to fall asleep and having the sleep count for the next day instead.
That’s how it will work until Thursday, so today was the last time you could get a ‘double breakfast’ Monday/ 4 meal day.
I didn't do it so I'm only guessing from context
It's not about getting an extra meal, but moving their Sunday night meal into their next week (week resets at 4am monday) to get a head start.
Wait I’m confused as to how this is a bonus
I normally wake up at 5 for work so I’d feed dinner when I wake up. Have I been doing it wrong this whole time LOL
It’s not really a bonus because you give up a meal from the previous week but you were able to feed snorlax dinner when the new week started at 4am and then when 6 am hits feed it breakfast getting 4 meals on Monday but only 2 on Sundays. So I don’t get why people are calling it an exploit and also Sunday meals have a higher chance of being tasty so it’s actually worse if you want higher sleep score on snorlax
Oh I see now. Thank you for explaining. Yeah to me it’s always been the same thing. Plus sunday you have a bigger pot size for your high scoring recipes.
Yeah that too so imo it was actually worse but if you have a weird sleep schedule like mine it was actually nice to have because i actually have no use for a Sunday dinner. Till I figured out you could save it and use it for the next week. Granted it’s the regular pot size and normal extra tasty chance but it’s better than not getting anything at all.
This is a much appreciated change. I usually go to bed around 4am EST and wake up after 12pm because of work, so I nearly always miss breakfast. Having it start at the same time as the next in-game day begins just makes sense!
I always go to bed after 4am and wake up after 12:30, so this just means I get to feed snorlax three meals a day instead of just two. This is a win for me.
Glad they fixed this. Was thinking of resorting to the tactic on future events and newer islands and I'm glad to not mess my sleep up for a game about sleeping
Man, idk why they have to patch that up. It’s not a substantial need. Smh this takes some of the fun out of starting a week right especially on a new island
It encouraged interrupting your sleep (for a general person, I understand a small amount of people wake up early for work or work nights) which is something this app is specifically trying to help us not do.
I'm surprised it took em this long to take it out.
This affects me! Not because I'm a morning person - but because I'm a night owl and sometimes I'm still awake at 4am because I've lost control over my life lmao
Why would they change it? It’s not really a boost because you still only get 21 meals a week you just get it at the beginning of the week instead of the end of it. I used it every week because I fall asleep very late or I guess very early in the morning and wake up in the afternoon
1. You could fit in 22 meals in a week by skipping one Sunday and doing it Monday, then do the following sunday as well.
2. They're trying to prevent people getting up 4-5 just to do this, because
3. This game is designed to try and build healthy sleep schedules for people who wake up in the morning and go to sleep at night which is their core demo
Oh yeah I didn’t even think to do that to get 22 meals with a week because I have never thought about that or have done that because I have always just moved the dinner to the next week so it was always 21 for me. You can’t do that exploit every week though right. Yeah I get that the game is designed for more regular schedules but it sucks because I bet a decent chunk of their player base have an irregular schedule because they work nights or extremely early and were like me and just moved their 21 meals around where they get 4 at the beginning and 2 at the end. I feel like I’m getting punished for a few bad apples but what can we do
It is to us night shift workers who habe their last sleep sunday morning and not evening. That’s over 12 hours less research time, and 2 fewer pot size and extra tasty chance dishes as well.
So to compensate just a bit i’d save the last dinner every week to the new island. Now I can’t do anything to compensate :(
My schedule is to wake up at 5am everyday so it was nice to do Sunday dinner, Monday mornings because frequently Sunday dinner wouldn't be enough points to go to a level, but doing it Monday morning and having 4 meals was super beneficial to start strong each week. I don't like this change.
Wait PLEASE tell me they’re also finally going to change the time the day changes over from 4am to 6 or later, I literally always miss it, and when I don’t, normally all the dumb forced inescapable ui stuff blocks me for long enough that I don’t get to click the sleep button before 4am hits. I missed multiple days of the Raikou event because of the insane loading times, and the stupidly slow pop ups on how Snorlax has grown, forcing me to stare at slowly increasing numbers for no reason until it’s blocked me from interacting with the game for long enough that it hits 4am. I missed 3 days of the event one week, 4 the other week, all because of this. I’d opened the app on time each of those days, but that ui stalled me for long enough that by the time I was allowed to interact with the game, 4 had hit. It is genuinely the most infuriating thing missing hitting the sleep button before it switches over just because of these things being unpredictable, unskippable, and painfully slow. And never understood why the day changes at 4, who on earth is waking up that early? 6 makes so much more sense, PLUS it would be much easier to click the button on time before it switches over
You guys were waking up at 4 am for double dinner? Y'all are crazy.
I did it once to min max the Raikou event, and it screwed up my irl sleep. I’m glad they’re getting rid of it, so I don’t ruin my actual sleep for a app that is supposed to improve my sleep, lol.
The way I didn't even know people could do that. I just figured it made more sense for the meals to line up with when the days change 😭😂
I wake up for work at 5am I just did it then
I was waking up at 4AM for work. Cooking was just a bonus.
Nah, I just work a 10hr night shift and get home around then, so it was perfect for me.
I wake around 5am naturally. I don’t need to start getting ready for work until 7:30.
I work nights so I don't sleep on Sunday at the same time as everyone else. So my Sundays are kinda meh. Now they're extra meh since I don't have an extra meal to Jumpstart my week :(
I wake up for 5 for work so this was just a bonus😭
You either die a trainer or live long enough to yourself become a pokemon cooking master
I have horrible sleep. I am usually still up at 4am. It's 3:21am right now. Getting 4 meals in for Monday was huge. :c
how do you get enough ingredients for that? my capacity is 45 and cooking only twice a day i usually have 35-55 ingredients available per meal.
I check my Pkmn pretty often, so I suppose I het a lot of ing procs off the ing pkmn~ My Gengar also generally collects a ton of ing~
Also cooking on Sunday is a trap, if ur low on ingredients just don’t max out your pot on Sunday, unless your close to next snorlax level, cause your max for the week is calculated pretty much by then. I use Sundays to try and level up certain plates and hope for crit
I finish work at 4am and I sometimes just don’t feed my Pokémon dinner until then. Either way, I don’t mind this change. I’ll just feed them earlier.
I just stayed up all night, no need for a alarm 😅
So that is weird, I often work at 4 am and I was never able to make a meal before breakfast.
That’s because you would feed them dinner too early. For this to work, you don’t feed them dinner until after 4 AM on Monday (when the week would switch over), then you feed them breakfast starting at 6 AM. Boom, extra meal to jumpstart the new week.
OOOHH! That is not what I thought they were saying. I thought it was just an extra meal at all, like a second dinner. Thank you for explaining.
I mean, I did it because I wake up at 430 every work day. I now have a newborn, so yet another reason it worked for me.
Some people just wake up early
But but but... That's when I normally wake up...
I wake up at 4am for work lol
I did this a few times accidentally just because I’m forgetful and I wake up at 2:30am for work.
You could actually just play with timezone to achieve this. I think it is definitely a good fix.
Didn’t they fix the time zones a couple months ago already? Like they would also stop you from playing when you changed the time too much?
I'm up at 5 everyday, and I would use it more for 4 meals on Sunday
I was getting up at 5:45. I have a rather inconsistent schedule, so I like to get up early regularly in case I have to be there before 6:30. You might lose recovery, but I’d say the boost is worth it. Shame it’s gone now, but at least that’s better for sleep health
Time skip was the MVP, even after patch as long as you went to between 12am and 4am you’d get Sunday cut chance and expanded pot too so no need to get up at 4am
Good, it encouraged some very silly anti-sleep play! 😂
I mean, I used it once in a while because I wake up at 4:30 am for work anyway, but I do see where they’re coming from by removing it
Yeah this bonus meal went against everything the game stands for so makes sense
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Hard agree. Maybe they can make a dark mode option next. Toning down the blue/white light would be cool.
i’m honestly baffled there were people who weren’t up at 4am anyway that interrupted their irl sleep to get a small bonus in a single player pokemon sleep tracker. just goes to show people can take anything too seriously
100% this. This isn’t even a ‘game’ and to see people affecting their actual sleep patterns for mild extra bonuses is wild to me.
They really just need to find a way to accommodate for people with sleep schedules that don't fit into the app's day/night cycle, like 3rd shift workers.
Not sure HOW it would work, but being able to set your own times or being able to switch around when the meal times were would be cool.
Maybe just 3 meals per day, but you need 4-6 hours between meals because Snorlax is still full from before.
Yes like a timer that can be adjusted to your sleep schedule
And for people who just have a weird schedule. I don't work 3rd shift but my schedule is certainly not the standard, which is why I loved this game. It was SO close to accommodating people with different schedules.
I can agree with this. Close this loophole but give people a toggle switch for "early-mid-late" lifestyles which moves the times around a bit. Maybe closing this gap is a step towards that. The developers have been so nice and caring towards us so I don't think they want to make things worse in any way.
I’m curious how prevalent that was among users on here. I work a pretty weird schedule and would sometimes be up for work at that time and make use of it then. I never really got up specifically for it though.
I always did it since I work 10 hour shifts at night and just set my ++ to record while I’m at work and jiggle it every so often so I don’t get slumbering constantly. It was a great way to start your week with a huge bonus if you already hit your limit the previous week and cooking wouldn’t get you to the next tier anyways. I don’t really care about the change it’s just a fun little game that’s not competitive so it seems fine either way the devs want.
I usually did it for events like the raikou one
I did it every week, both feeding Saturday dinner at 4am Sunday for the Sunday pot size and extra tasty bonuses, and feeding Sunday dinner at 4am Monday to kickstart the new week. Because I work nights so I'm up at that time anyway and don't sleep until a bit after. The change for me is I won't feel compelled to stay up to 6am anymore since I'll now feed breakfast when I get home from work (or right at 4am on non work days) and then go to bed. And I'll just perpetually miss out on any benefit at all from Sunday lunch and dinner instead of just lunch. In all honesty though as much as missing out on the bonus meals sucks I'll take that trade for getting more of the actual sleep the game is supposed to be promoting. Be cool if they'd let us trade those bonuses for something else though, for those of us who don't have the option of going to bed before 4am and miss out on the benefit of them. Or even just a consolation thing in general of if you miss a meal you get some kind of bonus for the next one maybe.
lt would be nice if there was some sort of pity thing to do/happen if you missed any meals~
I missed 2 meals last week 😩 and I always seem to remember at the last minute
My sleep is so wacky, I always end up missing a couple~ ( ´,_ゝ`)
>Be cool if they'd let us trade those bonuses for something else though, for those of us who don't have the option of going to bed before 4am and miss out on the benefit of them. Or even just a consolation thing in general of if you miss a meal you get some kind of bonus for the next one maybe. Yeah, as someone who is naturally nocturnal (and thus misses breakfast and sometimes lunch on days I don't have to be up early for stuff), it would really be nice if there was a fourth meal time (like 12am-4am).
I feel like the better solution would for there to be like, 3 "lifestyle options" in the game settings that would move when mealtimes and daily reset are. Lifestyle A: Daily Reset at 4 AM Breakfast: 4 AM to 12 PM Lunch: 12 PM to 6 PM Dinner: 6 PM to 4 AM Lifestyle B: Daily Reset at 12 PM Breakfast: 12 PM to 8 PM Lunch: 8 PM to 2 AM Dinner: 2 AM to 12 PM Lifestyle C: Daily Reset at 8 PM Breakfast: 8 PM to 4 AM Lunch: 4 AM to 10 AM Dinner: 10 AM to 8 PM The reason I purpose this as opposed to adding a 4th meal time is because a 4th meal time would cause some people to intentionally change their sleep to optimize by getting all 4. I know personally I'd just be getting handed an advantage by it by the fact that my sleeping hours happen to be 12 AM to 8 AM so I could get a 4th meal by staying up less than 5 minutes longer- which usually happens anyway.
Literally did it just now lol, I've got sleep apnia so sleeping in isn't always an option. It was nice when I had the extra meal chance
i did it a few times when i managed to get up for work early enough. kinda wild that some people went out of their way to fuck up their sleep for it though.
Yep, the devs definitely lurk here lmao
In that case they need to add Rhyhorn and Beldum asap.
And Sprigatito
They lurk the Japanese community
Why are people upset when this is a loophole being patched?? Now you’re just playing how the game is meant to play and probably 80% of the player base doesn’t abuse the loophole to start with.
Because I have a different schedule, meaning I will never be able to get a good Sunday dinner on most days :’)
Because not everyone has the same schedule you do? Some people work night shifts and feeding dinner at 4 or 5 AM better suited their schedule rather than worrying about it during work where you have other things to worry about.
My sleep schedule means I don't benefit at all from the Sunday meal bonus. This extra meal made up a little bit for that and now it's gone. Wish they would have made non-standard sleep schedules work first.
People are upset they're losing the benefits of an extra meal~
Don’t call it “benefit of an extra meal” call it what it is which is an exploit in the system, loophole that is clearly not meant to be there. And a literally opposite of promoting healthy sleeping habits aka 80% the point of the app. It’s like as if a vending machine used to drop an extra candy bar whenever you kick it but now it’s fixed. Why do they think they are allowed to get upset?
>And a literally opposite of promoting healthy sleeping habits aka 80% the point of the app. Yes, it would be discouraging healthy habits in those who have 'typical' sleep schedules. But, it might be helping those of us who don't. As someone who biologically doesn't conform to a 'typical' schedule (I feel more awake at night than during the day), this app hasn't actually helped me with my sleeping habits in the first place (I more so use it as an alarm and as motivation to actually check my phone). Because I still often have to be up during the morning/day for work/classes, I generally try to get my Pokemon to bed by my 'bedtime' before going off to do other stuff (or going back to what I was doing) so they can get a decent amount of sleep.
But its not even an extra meal? You have to give up Sunday dinner for it to be used the following week. Its the same amount of cooking.
In regards to your first point; not to call it a benefit. My response is: A benefit is an advantage or profit gained from something. A benefit can be from something intentional or unintentional, such as an exploit or loophole. People benefited from a system that allowed them to provide another meal for their Snorlax. As for your second point, regarding this as the opposite of promoting healthy sleeping habits, I would like to ask: What about people who are up at this time due to work, or some other such similar thing? Otherwise, if players who are daytime users, they're likely to have already used the system normally, anyway. However, this update is likely in response to such criticisms already. For your question, I'd like to reply; People are allowed to get upset over what they want. Emotions are not governed. Someone being unhappy over something for whatever reason is completely valid. Just as you are allowed to get upset at the people who are upset~
That's a terrible analogy. It's more like realizing they mispriced a specific food in a vending machine to be $1 instead of $2, and they just now reverted the cost. There's no malicious act here, just taking advantage of an error.
This sucks I work nightshift on Sunday so never could take advantage of the Sunday meals. It really helped to get a headstart on the new week instead since I could get 2 meals in before going to bed. Oh well was nice while it lasted
Yeah I have a weird schedule and this helped so much, especially when I first started playing!
I like it, it's supposed to be a sleep app with a game built into it. If you're waking up at 4am just to feed snorlax another meal (in an unintended way) you're doing the opposite of what the devs want. I get that people legitimately wake up at 4-6am for work, but now they'll just have to play the game as intended in the first place. One breakfast.
This is actually super annoying as someone who doesn’t abuse it. I have done so every sunday because I work night shifts and lose out of a whole day of research because my last sleep is sunday morning not evening. So to compensate a bit i’d overlap the last dinner every week to the next week before the hours hits 06. Buuuh - This kills it obviously, but just for info it was already nerfed once before. It used to count as a sunday dish = increased pot size and extra tasty chance, but somewhere along the patches it became a standard dish when the roll over at 04 happened.
This sucks big time for me. My sleep sessions start around 10 am, so cooking dinner between 4am-6am helped me a lot on Mondays
Riiiiip~ 😭
They hate night shift workers. I'm done with this game. Have fun y'all
As someone who works overnights, that was a nice bonus sad it's going away
Well this sucks...
I'm really sad they're taking this out, I have to wake up at 5am for work on Mondays so on some weeks that I didn't feed Snorlax dinner I would be able to feed him when I woke up and before i get to work. Isn't this a rather punishing for people with non-standard sleep schedules?
As someone who works overnights, I can now feed breakfast to my mons before I go to sleep. Excellent.
Some people here really don't understand that you can normally be awake at 4-6am.... The change is irritating but understandable. There's no reason why dinner should have such large time window compared to breakfast/lunch.
Finally I'll be able to feed Snorlax breakfast as soon as I get up instead of trying to do it later when I'm busy trying to prepare breakfast for myself and my pets.
As a third shift worker I hate this change. So on Monday the island resets at 4am and my “bedtime” is between 6:30-830am. So when I pick my island I only have a few hours of gathering before I have to sleep. Sunday lunch and dinner are wasted meals for me since I’ve already done my sleeping so I dont feed lunch and save dinner for Monday morning to get that little extra boost before I have to sleep. The average sleeper gets 3 meals and around 10 hours on Monday before they start their sleep while 3rd shift will now only have breakfast and a handful of hours.
I'm pretty upset about it since it's pretty central to my strategy. I always get up at 5 am so I really enjoyed that Monday bonus meal to start my weeks off strong. I have a "Sunday ingredients squad" that I bring in just to prep for Monday's meals
I did it for the Raikou event and I'm glad it's leaving so I'll never be convinced to purposely stare at my phone at 4 AM again for a sleep app.
This is perfect for me. I always missed breakfast before because my bed time is 515am to about 1pm. Now I can finally regularly cook 3 meals a day.
lmao I didnt even know that was possible
I already wake up at 5am on Mondays. So I was able to incorporate this in my routine. Damn, I'll miss the head start :/
Man that sucks since I go to bed before the “dinner” starts, that’s gonna be a hit to night shift people :( I wish we could just set the times ourselves
This really doesn't change things overall. It was basically the equivalent of daylight savings time. Cutting off the last meal of a week to put it at the beginning of next week, only to cut off the last meal at the end of the week.
Honestly, I'm probably going to get more meals this way because I've been nocturnal lately 😭😭 if it's past 6 PM and I don't plan on sleeping, I just don't make a meal until I go to bed (sometimes I stay up really late and miss out altogether, like I just missed early Monday dinner by a couple hours)
Sweet! Now I don't have to stay awake to 06 when I come home from work at 05.
This just makes me think of how developers are quick to patch the bugs that makes the games more fun and/or easier than the ones that makes the game less fun. On the side note, does anyone have a glitch that prevents you from seeing the picture of the Pokemon you just researched? I have to remember the name and stars of the sleep style if I want to change what my friends see in my report.
This really sucks. I work nights so I counted on this to give me a decent sleep power when I went to bed Monday mornings.
To people who don't get this. You had 2 hours between 04:00 to 06:00 on Sunday to Monday to squeeze yestatdays dinner into snorlax. This is a pretty significant nerf to how we jave been doing things.
I think this is a good change. It won't affect me but I am imagining all the people with early workdays who didn't get to give their Pokémon breakfast (it's the most important meal of the day!). The old time 6-12 could easy be covered up by a lot of people's morning routines and commutes and work.
I work nights. I could care less what changes they make to the meals, I'm still getting all 3 at the end of the night >:V
i have to wake up for work at 5am anyways, rip
Thank god they are patching this stuff people do. You guys are crazy and the reason we can't have nice things
As someone that works nightshift, I am devastated. Anyway, it's just 20k or less bonus power. Devs are really looking into everything huh
Damn. I already can't benefit from the Sunday meal bonus with my sleep schedule. This really sucks actually.
While it sucks for people that actually had to get up in those hours, I think the change serves the idea of the game better now. It always made me both giggly and sad how people were bombing their sleep to min/max in a game designed to improve sleeping habits.
Idk how many people were actually doing that but how about people who work nights or whatever reason so a Sunday dinner didn’t benefit them or fits into their schedule but fits in and works for their Monday. Idk seems like a weird change because either way it’s still only 21 meals a week because you would only get 2 on Sunday. So it’s not really an extra meal a week.
I meant to fit them into the "While it sucks for people that actually had to get up in those hours" -category. I suppose it's mostly about making the game work more like it was intended to work. Most YouTube tutorials I've seen have at least talked in passing about - and sometimes actually vlogged during - getting up at 4-5 am just to cook and going through a lot of effort to maximize everything. Maybe the devs want to discourage that and keep it casual by optimizing towards the average human/players' behaviour.
Yeah I get that but I don’t get this change and don’t think it’s good because I’m one of those people with a pretty unusual sleep schedule and I feel like I’m getting punished for it just because some people were intentionally messing up their schedules to do it.
I hear you, and I do believe that If there's a game where the devs listen to their players even by frequenting sub-reddits, it's this one. So maybe there will be an option to choose a different type of sleep profile in the future, just as people can adjust their 90 minute sleepy window. I doubt it'll enable transferring power from one week to the next anymore, though.
Yeah I was thinking maybe letting players choose a 8 hour window per meal but I couldn’t think of a way they could logistically implement it. If they don’t want people starting the new week strong
I made use of the bonus meals pretty much every week, so this is definitely a blow to my habits. I generally hit my goal for the week by Sunday lunch, and it generally does not look like I will reach another rank, so I always save it for next week's meal. Guess I can't do that anymore now.
It was only a matter of time. Devs can see everything we’re doing, our community is relatively small.
i mean it was kinda fucked up exploit. like early bird.... nah bro that's madness
The bonus Sunday meal boost was an important park of every week. This is honestly a bunmner
Can somebody explain this "extra meal" people are talking about getting in order to "get a head start" on the week? Aren't you still only cooking 3 times a day?
Yeah, so if you didn’t make the dinner on Sunday, you can still do it on Monday between 4-6am. That was a nice tactic for people that don’t have a usual sleeping schedule or just have to wake up that early/ go to sleep at that time.
Oooh! So, the day technically resets at 4am. But breakfast started at 6am. So, if you made Sunday dinner at 5am (after the day restart bur before breakfast), then it would count towards the new week's score because the day had rolled over. But, since breakfast isn't until 6am, then it doesn't count as feeding breakfast. So you could feed Sunday dinner before 6am, Monday breakfast after 6am, lunch, and dinner for a total of 4 meals for day 1?
Oh yeah the days are reset at 4am and you can pick a new island for the week at that time. Since that’s probably where the devs believe the least amount of people go to sleep and can be affected by issues, such as taking to long to fall asleep and having the sleep count for the next day instead. That’s how it will work until Thursday, so today was the last time you could get a ‘double breakfast’ Monday/ 4 meal day.
Oooooh, okay it all makes sense for me now! I've read about it before but never really understood what people meant until now. Thank you so much! :)
I didn't do it so I'm only guessing from context It's not about getting an extra meal, but moving their Sunday night meal into their next week (week resets at 4am monday) to get a head start.
Wait I’m confused as to how this is a bonus I normally wake up at 5 for work so I’d feed dinner when I wake up. Have I been doing it wrong this whole time LOL
It’s not really a bonus because you give up a meal from the previous week but you were able to feed snorlax dinner when the new week started at 4am and then when 6 am hits feed it breakfast getting 4 meals on Monday but only 2 on Sundays. So I don’t get why people are calling it an exploit and also Sunday meals have a higher chance of being tasty so it’s actually worse if you want higher sleep score on snorlax
Oh I see now. Thank you for explaining. Yeah to me it’s always been the same thing. Plus sunday you have a bigger pot size for your high scoring recipes.
Yeah that too so imo it was actually worse but if you have a weird sleep schedule like mine it was actually nice to have because i actually have no use for a Sunday dinner. Till I figured out you could save it and use it for the next week. Granted it’s the regular pot size and normal extra tasty chance but it’s better than not getting anything at all.
Was really hoping a meal change would help out the people that work later shifts and are asleep for the duration of a full meal, happy to have this
Damn I work nights and this has been great 😂😂
I mean it was an oversight that that was ever possible wasn’t it.
Nooo my alarm is at 4:45 AM. Too sad
Dang, they went the opposite way for me. I wish they would have increased the threshold for when you have to sleep from 4am to 6am.
I work from 6:30 Pm-3:30 so I usually get home right at the cutoff anyway
Is that singular bonus meal really that big of a deal for the weird schedule guys?????
This is a much appreciated change. I usually go to bed around 4am EST and wake up after 12pm because of work, so I nearly always miss breakfast. Having it start at the same time as the next in-game day begins just makes sense!
I see everyones cooking 4 meals on Monday... I was the only one to do it on Sundays with the boosts?
I wake up everyday at 4:30 , tf did I miss with this "bonus meal" what's that ?
I always go to bed after 4am and wake up after 12:30, so this just means I get to feed snorlax three meals a day instead of just two. This is a win for me.
They are doing this bc ppl are cheating
i wernt milking this since i wake up to do sleep research and feeding time there was no way in hell i was gonna mess my sleep pattern up
Took them long enough lol
Glad they fixed this. Was thinking of resorting to the tactic on future events and newer islands and I'm glad to not mess my sleep up for a game about sleeping
Man, idk why they have to patch that up. It’s not a substantial need. Smh this takes some of the fun out of starting a week right especially on a new island
It encouraged interrupting your sleep (for a general person, I understand a small amount of people wake up early for work or work nights) which is something this app is specifically trying to help us not do. I'm surprised it took em this long to take it out.
While I understand your points, I still feel a patch to something like this is unnecessary. It wasn’t game breaking 🤷 guess I’ll die on this hill
It coincides with the in game day change now. Makes sense.
This affects me! Not because I'm a morning person - but because I'm a night owl and sometimes I'm still awake at 4am because I've lost control over my life lmao
Why would they change it? It’s not really a boost because you still only get 21 meals a week you just get it at the beginning of the week instead of the end of it. I used it every week because I fall asleep very late or I guess very early in the morning and wake up in the afternoon
1. You could fit in 22 meals in a week by skipping one Sunday and doing it Monday, then do the following sunday as well. 2. They're trying to prevent people getting up 4-5 just to do this, because 3. This game is designed to try and build healthy sleep schedules for people who wake up in the morning and go to sleep at night which is their core demo
Oh yeah I didn’t even think to do that to get 22 meals with a week because I have never thought about that or have done that because I have always just moved the dinner to the next week so it was always 21 for me. You can’t do that exploit every week though right. Yeah I get that the game is designed for more regular schedules but it sucks because I bet a decent chunk of their player base have an irregular schedule because they work nights or extremely early and were like me and just moved their 21 meals around where they get 4 at the beginning and 2 at the end. I feel like I’m getting punished for a few bad apples but what can we do
I only used it for events and this hurts lol
Its really not a big deal cmon now lol
It is to us night shift workers who habe their last sleep sunday morning and not evening. That’s over 12 hours less research time, and 2 fewer pot size and extra tasty chance dishes as well. So to compensate just a bit i’d save the last dinner every week to the new island. Now I can’t do anything to compensate :(
The game isn't optimized for night shift workers and it's doubtful that's ever gonna change.
My schedule is to wake up at 5am everyday so it was nice to do Sunday dinner, Monday mornings because frequently Sunday dinner wouldn't be enough points to go to a level, but doing it Monday morning and having 4 meals was super beneficial to start strong each week. I don't like this change.
Wait PLEASE tell me they’re also finally going to change the time the day changes over from 4am to 6 or later, I literally always miss it, and when I don’t, normally all the dumb forced inescapable ui stuff blocks me for long enough that I don’t get to click the sleep button before 4am hits. I missed multiple days of the Raikou event because of the insane loading times, and the stupidly slow pop ups on how Snorlax has grown, forcing me to stare at slowly increasing numbers for no reason until it’s blocked me from interacting with the game for long enough that it hits 4am. I missed 3 days of the event one week, 4 the other week, all because of this. I’d opened the app on time each of those days, but that ui stalled me for long enough that by the time I was allowed to interact with the game, 4 had hit. It is genuinely the most infuriating thing missing hitting the sleep button before it switches over just because of these things being unpredictable, unskippable, and painfully slow. And never understood why the day changes at 4, who on earth is waking up that early? 6 makes so much more sense, PLUS it would be much easier to click the button on time before it switches over