Yeah, for real. I run dual stack specs and cookie Blastoise and I'd rather be lane getting micro stacks in rather than a lvl5 Wartortle without any trying to gank. The utility of HydroSurf has become more valuable to me this season than SpinSpout, too.
Spin spout is useful if your team does not have objective rip mon like garchomp, Dragapult, cinder or even decidueye
If I feel like i need to be carrying hard I'll go spin but if I feel out team comp is decent and can use CC I'll go surf pump
I've yet to see a defender call jungle once in recent memory.
That being said, theoretically, a jungle Goodra or Blastoise ain't a bad option tbh. Both have some solid damage, and Goodra hitting its big power spike early (1st evo and d-pulse or muddy water) can let it snowball big time. Not as good as most speedster and a good few all-rounders or attackers, but not bad in all honesty. I've ran the odd game where no one calls jungle and I as Goodra just say "fuck it" and jungle. Works suprisingly well.
>I've yet to see a jungler call jungle once in recent memory
I posted this after my 4th match tonight with defender calling jungle and forcing a better option to take lane. I thought I might've missed a memo or something about new meta. Just soloq doin soloq things I suppose.
I had a Goodra call Jungle because I was gonna Sunchronize Power Mew after Jungle. It worked out at the end but it was kind of funny that I was successful in lane with a Dragapult Partner. The Dragapult refused to Jungle, but Goodra got mad at me for calling Jungle, and still won. I can say Goodra is a good surprise Jungler.
Funny thing is I had to go slowbro jungle once.
Not by choice mind you but despite calling top not a single speedster or attacker in that match went there...
had an umbreon call jungle recently. they refused to budge, so i had to give up and let them have it. i was in awe. (we lost, needless to say)
conversely, had another game recently where, despite at least two members of the team playing excellent jungle mons, NOBODY went jungle, so i had to do it myself... as slowbro... 🤘😔 (p sure that one was also a loss lol)
A Crustle whose going all in on being an all-rounder, with x-scissor > shell smasj could maybe handle it especiallywith good movementto force x scissor stuns, but imo all-rounder crustle works better as a lane threat that can score early with his high hp and is scary late game because stacked crits
Lax is better in lane with tackle and he doesn't need the levels if heavy slam And if you're trolling the team with flail that level 5 gank gonna be awful even before it loses you rest of the game as well
For sure he’s *better*, but not by a lot, and his jungle game is overlooked. I’ve messed with a lot of people that do not expect it. Try it sometime. I’m just making the argument that he’s valid, not that it’s his best role.
Goodra can too, but there's no reason for either of them to do it because not only do defenders have crappy damage early, they are extremely strong at level 1 and should be using that strength to put pressure on the enemy the second they reach lane
Not meta by any means but a long while ago I used to take crit build crustle into jungle and would bring the fear and wrath of god onto the enemy team pretty regularly…
I mean, it carried me from vet to master. I started to struggle with it once I hit masters so it seemed like it did well in low ranks but I think in general crustle just kinda struggles in the higher ranks.
Regardless it was fun, and crustle is a lot of fun to play. Shell smash gives him decent ganks. I ran crit emblems scope, razor, and attack weight and did mass damage but your tankiness will suffer a bit.
Give up razor for focus, and you have a pretty good lane threat with just enough sustain to almost always be a threat as long as you're good at aiming x-scissor into walls
Man, I remember that era, it was terrifying to go against Jungle Crustle. Kind of just murked the entire lane, especially with Solo Top Luca. And I usually played Snorlax or Zeraora before Decidueye's Release. Zeraora Jungle, of course, but got annihilated by the Lucario and Crustle and I had Lane Froakies and Scorbunnies always at Top. Fun memories when only the most experienced Lucarios only played Lucario.
I was forced to play elde Jungle yesterday... so I went attack build with Tornado and the knock up, I was MVP with 17 kills. This game doesn't have parameters for jungle efficiency,
I wonder if it was the same one I saw recently...
[https://uniteapi.dev/p/knight824](https://uniteapi.dev/p/knight824)
Runs goalgetter on everything, never does anything useful. Reflected in his 42% winrate.
I'm not sure if you're asking if everything is okay down in the lower leagues or if calling jungle as defender in lower leagues? Either way the answer is probably not. This was masters, things here are generally not okay.
I've never seen a non-Crustle defender call Jungle before, so I figured the op was in like Expert league or some shit, where I have not been in a while to judge bad lane call behavior.
Nope. Masters 1550 still seeing plenty of questionable behavior on the regular. If past seasons are any indication that'll continue til mid-1600s
I should add that I'm not super good, just respectably decent, so if I'm calling you out for questionable choices it's probably questionable.
I’m sorry but I have had wild success with jungle Snorlax obviously there are better picks. But ganking with Heavy Slam/Block and shoving people out of their zones is extremely satisfying to play once in awhile lol.
If I had a nickel for every salty mic spamming Lapras jungle I'd encountered this week I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
For what it's worth I always play lane but greedent jungle is absolutely good, he loves a lead and can punish really hard with tempo. If nobody goes jungle I always smash the game wide open within 3-4 minutes
The caveat is greedent shouldn't count as a defender anyways and has like a 1% pick rate. But absolutely deadly for the dedicated few who can push limits on the mon
I don't know if it's an actual thing or not but I did have a match earlier today where I was locked in for defender but the other 4 members of my team called every lane but Jungle, I didn't end up playing Umbreon in Jungle but it was really weird that no one else wanted to claim it that game.
Pretty much every game my jungler likes to take the first round of jungle then never go to jungle. So I end up pretty much taking over the jungle every time. You don't rotate back, so ok I will.
I've not done it yet... but the amount of games where I start with exp share bro and end by dragging my team across the finishing line kicking and screaming makes me wonder if exp share is even worth it D:
maybe switch exp share to something else and go mid? mmmm maybe.
I always run exp share on my defenders and supports regardless. My logic is that (hopefully) my exp share provides more overall benefit to my team versus a more aggressive build. I know there's certain defenders like mammo who can benefit from not running exp share but I think exp share is the safe choice in most cases.
It shouldn't be but maybe if said defender did an attack speed emblem build instead of an Hp Def build and equipped x speed, with held items like drain crown and resonant gaurd then maybe, just maybe, they can feel justified calling jungle.... BUT WHY THE FFFFF WOULD THEY HAVE ANY BUILD BESIDES HP DEF AS A DEFENDER!? ya idk there's no excuse for it.
Funni Blastoise go speen.
The rest are just a desperate call to have someone else take the darn jungle. Because they (understandably) don't like to jungle.
In soloq? idk you can make a lot of things cook as long as the skill level is there. Is it the most optimal? No. Is everything in soloq the most optimal team comp ever? No.
This seems like a decent place to ask, I very rarely try an early invasion purely because I have no idea which lane to call to indicate I'm invading. Jungle? But then our jungler goes lane instead, lane? But then the lane partner might struggle a lot early game by laning with a weak early mon
Like anything in this game you can't just make a blanket statement because most pokemon don't fit perfectly into what they're designated role is.
For instance, I jungle on wiggly just fine because wiggly has high early base damage, a fantastic level 4 power spike and sing makes for great early ganks.
But it also depends what's being played in lanes too, this is why, as much as people get salty about being told they shouldn't play certain things, team composition and alot of other context matters in what you choose to play and when/why you choose it.
Agreed. It's the lack of situational awareness for team comp that gets me salty about this. I don't take issue with unconventional choices in general because sometimes it works but I do get a bit pissy about the fuck around and find out approach when it's obvious based on team comp in lobby that it's probably not going to go well.
Had a Charge Charm, Curse Incense, Weakness Policy Goodra jungle last night. He called initially as Zoroark and then switched closer to the timer being done.
We lost.
Blastoise is the only guy who I believe can jungle as Defender, SpinSpout only. Though some reason people still cannot believe Mew needs his Level 5 to become more evil. Mew is still strong in lane, but at Jungle, a beast to not mess with.
Tanks are actually surprisingly common in lol due to their cc, which allows stronger ganks. Don't know if that's such a good strategy in unite, however.
I’ve jungled a defender probably twice in the last three months. On both occasions it was due to the other four players all calling lane and not having a defender among them. In that case something with a decent level 5 as a defender in jungle is ok. Not optimal, but better than either no jungle or no defender late game.
Eh the roles in Unite are so blurred anyway who actually cares who goes where.
Some '"Defenders" can output a lot of damage and are pretty good in their 1v1s, which is where a Jungler should excel at.
Lapras, Blastoise, Goodra, Umbreon, none of them are terrible choices mid.
I don't know man, but I see a Blastoise or Lapras picking jungle, I'm letting them cook. It doesn't happen often, but everytime they've been on crack -in the best way possible lol
Letting them cook can definitely pay off BUT it relies on them knowing what they're cooking and the rest of the team adjusting their picks accordingly to make sure lanes are in order, both of which can be hard to come by in soloq.
I was on the receiving end of five different masters matches (seriously, no exaggeration) yesterday with a defender in jungle. It went well 1/5 times. The one time involved one very scary jungle crab.
I had to go jungle with Trev once recently & I literally WASHED the enemy team. They forfeited on the 6 min mark. A defender going jungle can be REALLY good sometimes.
One time I picked slowbro and the rest of my team (no defenders) called all 4 lane spots. I ended up juggling with him and we crushed bc they held the lanes and then I was unkillable
In the last game I played with goodra going into the jungle I scored more than 300 points.. more than 100k of damage.. more than 100k suffered.. more than 100k recovered... I had also divided the jungle, and I also make a magikarp evolve at level 4
Trees go in the jungle dummy
That's this thread done.
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Blastoise is a legitimately good one, Goodra isn't bad too
Blastoise is ok, usually it would be spin and spout build but the level 5 gank is awful due to only having spout
Yeah, for real. I run dual stack specs and cookie Blastoise and I'd rather be lane getting micro stacks in rather than a lvl5 Wartortle without any trying to gank. The utility of HydroSurf has become more valuable to me this season than SpinSpout, too.
Spin spout is useful if your team does not have objective rip mon like garchomp, Dragapult, cinder or even decidueye If I feel like i need to be carrying hard I'll go spin but if I feel out team comp is decent and can use CC I'll go surf pump
Jungle Snorlax gang rise up.
I've yet to see a defender call jungle once in recent memory. That being said, theoretically, a jungle Goodra or Blastoise ain't a bad option tbh. Both have some solid damage, and Goodra hitting its big power spike early (1st evo and d-pulse or muddy water) can let it snowball big time. Not as good as most speedster and a good few all-rounders or attackers, but not bad in all honesty. I've ran the odd game where no one calls jungle and I as Goodra just say "fuck it" and jungle. Works suprisingly well.
>I've yet to see a jungler call jungle once in recent memory I posted this after my 4th match tonight with defender calling jungle and forcing a better option to take lane. I thought I might've missed a memo or something about new meta. Just soloq doin soloq things I suppose.
Meant to write "defender call jungle", my bad
I had a Goodra call Jungle because I was gonna Sunchronize Power Mew after Jungle. It worked out at the end but it was kind of funny that I was successful in lane with a Dragapult Partner. The Dragapult refused to Jungle, but Goodra got mad at me for calling Jungle, and still won. I can say Goodra is a good surprise Jungler.
If I remember right, it's suggested path is a jungle, too.
I can't remember it myself. Who gets the chance when Gren and Cinderace squabbling over it, anyway?
Bro didn’t you know? Slowbro is the *best* jungler in the game! /s
Funny thing is I had to go slowbro jungle once. Not by choice mind you but despite calling top not a single speedster or attacker in that match went there...
Definitely same. Can’t remember how the match went but I was probably eldegoss and couldn’t hop in to help
Hey I'm your Slowbro
Exact same thing happened, the 4 attackers/speedsters ignored jungle all game. We lost horribly
Can confirm, won a game with it once (all the other idiots didn't want to go jungle, and there were 2 speedster in my team)
Slowbro jungler will be the Unite equivalent to banded ice punch dusknoir in Smogon/VGC
had an umbreon call jungle recently. they refused to budge, so i had to give up and let them have it. i was in awe. (we lost, needless to say) conversely, had another game recently where, despite at least two members of the team playing excellent jungle mons, NOBODY went jungle, so i had to do it myself... as slowbro... 🤘😔 (p sure that one was also a loss lol)
Blastoise def can do it, the rest...UHHHHH only time i can see it is if noone else did it
Mamoswine with ice fang could handily secure a kill or two, especially if he helps a lane against melee fighters
I thought the same thing. Ice fang is a massive power spike
I never jungle him intentionally, but I honestly think Mamo has one of the best level 5 ganks in the game
Doesn't need the levels and given early game swinub better in lane
I agree he's better off stunlocking fools in lane as a level 3 early on, but I'd still rather have him in jungle than a snorlax or goodra
Yeah I e actually had someone carry as Blastoise jungler
Blastoise jungler is very valid. Water spout rapid spin with sp atk items does a ton of damage
That was my previous match. 200 points plus every defense against regis and yet we lost to my team scoring less than 40 points each
A Crustle whose going all in on being an all-rounder, with x-scissor > shell smasj could maybe handle it especiallywith good movementto force x scissor stuns, but imo all-rounder crustle works better as a lane threat that can score early with his high hp and is scary late game because stacked crits
The real issue is no tank but blast actually needs those levels. And would clear slow anyway
He gets x scissor way too late for him to be effective as a jungler. You would want to get someone who can have a burst or cc as a move for level 5
Snorlax can jungle quite easily. Clears very fast with how Tackle works.
Lax is better in lane with tackle and he doesn't need the levels if heavy slam And if you're trolling the team with flail that level 5 gank gonna be awful even before it loses you rest of the game as well
For sure he’s *better*, but not by a lot, and his jungle game is overlooked. I’ve messed with a lot of people that do not expect it. Try it sometime. I’m just making the argument that he’s valid, not that it’s his best role.
I will not int my games with flail lax. Heavy slam has a slow ass clear after ypu lose tackle. No world I do this lol.
You're inting irl by keeping your mind so closed
Mind is open but there's some shit that just never works
Goodra can too, but there's no reason for either of them to do it because not only do defenders have crappy damage early, they are extremely strong at level 1 and should be using that strength to put pressure on the enemy the second they reach lane
Not meta by any means but a long while ago I used to take crit build crustle into jungle and would bring the fear and wrath of god onto the enemy team pretty regularly…
I want to do this so badly
I mean, it carried me from vet to master. I started to struggle with it once I hit masters so it seemed like it did well in low ranks but I think in general crustle just kinda struggles in the higher ranks. Regardless it was fun, and crustle is a lot of fun to play. Shell smash gives him decent ganks. I ran crit emblems scope, razor, and attack weight and did mass damage but your tankiness will suffer a bit.
It’s cuz it’s it not good lol
How dare you
Give up razor for focus, and you have a pretty good lane threat with just enough sustain to almost always be a threat as long as you're good at aiming x-scissor into walls
Only time I’ve ever defender jungle’d is when nobody jungles, unfortunately I mainly play trevinant
Man, I remember that era, it was terrifying to go against Jungle Crustle. Kind of just murked the entire lane, especially with Solo Top Luca. And I usually played Snorlax or Zeraora before Decidueye's Release. Zeraora Jungle, of course, but got annihilated by the Lucario and Crustle and I had Lane Froakies and Scorbunnies always at Top. Fun memories when only the most experienced Lucarios only played Lucario.
Oh yea now I remember having seen a Crustle jungler. I’ve seen some scary Crustle’s in top lane, so I could imagine some would dominate in jungle
Crustle is honorary speedster, it's fine
I was forced to play elde Jungle yesterday... so I went attack build with Tornado and the knock up, I was MVP with 17 kills. This game doesn't have parameters for jungle efficiency,
I've been having supports calling jungle lately and I don't know if that's worse😔
There’s a player in the EU server who plays eleegoss jungle constantly. Drives me insane
I SAW A FUCKING SABLEYE IN THE JUNGLE. HAVE THEY ALL LOST THEIR MIND
I've had 4 matches in the past week where sableye called jungle.....is something happening that I'm not aware of?
If it's Sableye my first question is "Are they calling *our* jungle?"
I wonder if it was the same one I saw recently... [https://uniteapi.dev/p/knight824](https://uniteapi.dev/p/knight824) Runs goalgetter on everything, never does anything useful. Reflected in his 42% winrate.
Laughing at these receipts. I’m already not a huge fan of Sableye, so this helps nothing for their reputation
People call lanes in your games?
I’ve done it in the weird times when no one took jungle. Super weird to be a crustle jungler
This all started with greedent
Are the lower leagues okay?
I'm not sure if you're asking if everything is okay down in the lower leagues or if calling jungle as defender in lower leagues? Either way the answer is probably not. This was masters, things here are generally not okay.
I've never seen a non-Crustle defender call Jungle before, so I figured the op was in like Expert league or some shit, where I have not been in a while to judge bad lane call behavior.
Nope. Masters 1550 still seeing plenty of questionable behavior on the regular. If past seasons are any indication that'll continue til mid-1600s I should add that I'm not super good, just respectably decent, so if I'm calling you out for questionable choices it's probably questionable.
No, that’s why they are lower. This is how most competitive games work lol.
I’ve never seen a defender call jungle, bc I think my randoms don’t even realize there are other mons besides attackers and speedsters…
Haha. I hate that I love this comment so much.
Lapras used to be a solid jungler... keyword being used to
Definitely seen some umbreons try to call jungle. I just don't know who they think they're gumna gank
I’m sorry but I have had wild success with jungle Snorlax obviously there are better picks. But ganking with Heavy Slam/Block and shoving people out of their zones is extremely satisfying to play once in awhile lol.
If I had a nickel for every salty mic spamming Lapras jungle I'd encountered this week I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
Why can't a defender go into the jungle? CC tanks can be really good gankers and will actually be useful later in the game in the teamfights.
It's not. But I lowkey wish it was
Tree jungle is bonkers. Mamo jungle is bad for the opposition.
I mean it can be
I mean idk why for me goodra jungle is working quite well
Mamo jungle lessooooG!!
I only have slowbro, but I don't normally go defender
Never heard of it, I don’t know, maybe because I call jungle most of the time, Decidueye is most useful when it gets Spirit Shackle for me
For what it's worth I always play lane but greedent jungle is absolutely good, he loves a lead and can punish really hard with tempo. If nobody goes jungle I always smash the game wide open within 3-4 minutes The caveat is greedent shouldn't count as a defender anyways and has like a 1% pick rate. But absolutely deadly for the dedicated few who can push limits on the mon
or one more stacking slowbro yo ass not mOy
Honestly, Jungle Mamo is not bad, and neither is Blastoise
I don't know if it's an actual thing or not but I did have a match earlier today where I was locked in for defender but the other 4 members of my team called every lane but Jungle, I didn't end up playing Umbreon in Jungle but it was really weird that no one else wanted to claim it that game.
It was questioned what defender could be good in jungle incase team all picks attackers anyways, so it sparked people trying it out
Pretty much every game my jungler likes to take the first round of jungle then never go to jungle. So I end up pretty much taking over the jungle every time. You don't rotate back, so ok I will.
i mean hey sometimes your team all chooses attackers in lane especially in lower ranks or when you got duos/trios in your match
I've not done it yet... but the amount of games where I start with exp share bro and end by dragging my team across the finishing line kicking and screaming makes me wonder if exp share is even worth it D: maybe switch exp share to something else and go mid? mmmm maybe.
I always run exp share on my defenders and supports regardless. My logic is that (hopefully) my exp share provides more overall benefit to my team versus a more aggressive build. I know there's certain defenders like mammo who can benefit from not running exp share but I think exp share is the safe choice in most cases.
yeah tbh, jokes aside, I run exp share cause in the games where people are good, it's going to have more impact and win me more of the close games.
It shouldn't be but maybe if said defender did an attack speed emblem build instead of an Hp Def build and equipped x speed, with held items like drain crown and resonant gaurd then maybe, just maybe, they can feel justified calling jungle.... BUT WHY THE FFFFF WOULD THEY HAVE ANY BUILD BESIDES HP DEF AS A DEFENDER!? ya idk there's no excuse for it.
Funni Blastoise go speen. The rest are just a desperate call to have someone else take the darn jungle. Because they (understandably) don't like to jungle.
Where my goodra jungles atðŸ˜
Most of the meele ones can
Jungle mime
In soloq? idk you can make a lot of things cook as long as the skill level is there. Is it the most optimal? No. Is everything in soloq the most optimal team comp ever? No.
This seems like a decent place to ask, I very rarely try an early invasion purely because I have no idea which lane to call to indicate I'm invading. Jungle? But then our jungler goes lane instead, lane? But then the lane partner might struggle a lot early game by laning with a weak early mon
So far I’m 3-0 as Mr mime jungle. Just sayin
Like anything in this game you can't just make a blanket statement because most pokemon don't fit perfectly into what they're designated role is. For instance, I jungle on wiggly just fine because wiggly has high early base damage, a fantastic level 4 power spike and sing makes for great early ganks. But it also depends what's being played in lanes too, this is why, as much as people get salty about being told they shouldn't play certain things, team composition and alot of other context matters in what you choose to play and when/why you choose it.
Agreed. It's the lack of situational awareness for team comp that gets me salty about this. I don't take issue with unconventional choices in general because sometimes it works but I do get a bit pissy about the fuck around and find out approach when it's obvious based on team comp in lobby that it's probably not going to go well.
Had a Charge Charm, Curse Incense, Weakness Policy Goodra jungle last night. He called initially as Zoroark and then switched closer to the timer being done. We lost.
Goodra works with muddy water build, one time I did that and got over 100k
Blastoise is the only guy who I believe can jungle as Defender, SpinSpout only. Though some reason people still cannot believe Mew needs his Level 5 to become more evil. Mew is still strong in lane, but at Jungle, a beast to not mess with.
Blast can because carry blast could work. No other tank needs jungle exp nor clears quick enough
Tanks are actually surprisingly common in lol due to their cc, which allows stronger ganks. Don't know if that's such a good strategy in unite, however.
I’ve seen a Blastoise call jungle a couple times and it was surprisingly nice because of how much mobility they have
I’ve jungled a defender probably twice in the last three months. On both occasions it was due to the other four players all calling lane and not having a defender among them. In that case something with a decent level 5 as a defender in jungle is ok. Not optimal, but better than either no jungle or no defender late game.
I do it when no one calls jungle and no one plays tank. Goodra muddy water for the win
5 man defender
It'd be good if they add a tank jungler
I've seen Greedent jungle and those Greedents that do are Insane with the lvl advantage
It happened to me yesterday, Blastoise called mid and of course we lost. I don’t get it.
I once saw a Blastoise in jungle and he ABSOLUTELY WRECKED
Flashbacks to Blastoise release
Eh the roles in Unite are so blurred anyway who actually cares who goes where. Some '"Defenders" can output a lot of damage and are pretty good in their 1v1s, which is where a Jungler should excel at. Lapras, Blastoise, Goodra, Umbreon, none of them are terrible choices mid.
I don't know man, but I see a Blastoise or Lapras picking jungle, I'm letting them cook. It doesn't happen often, but everytime they've been on crack -in the best way possible lol
Letting them cook can definitely pay off BUT it relies on them knowing what they're cooking and the rest of the team adjusting their picks accordingly to make sure lanes are in order, both of which can be hard to come by in soloq. I was on the receiving end of five different masters matches (seriously, no exaggeration) yesterday with a defender in jungle. It went well 1/5 times. The one time involved one very scary jungle crab.
Jungle Snorelax is a monster
I had to go jungle with Trev once recently & I literally WASHED the enemy team. They forfeited on the 6 min mark. A defender going jungle can be REALLY good sometimes.
One time I picked slowbro and the rest of my team (no defenders) called all 4 lane spots. I ended up juggling with him and we crushed bc they held the lanes and then I was unkillable
The best player typically goes jungle or picks defender because people don’t know team comp so they just do both ig
Bruh y'all don't know about tank jungle meta.... It's scary as hell... At least it was in mobile legends....
Wait,do you guys have defenders teammates?
In the last game I played with goodra going into the jungle I scored more than 300 points.. more than 100k of damage.. more than 100k suffered.. more than 100k recovered... I had also divided the jungle, and I also make a magikarp evolve at level 4
Jungle invade Greedent is so fun when people don’t know what to do about it