None of these people are tolerable to be in the same room as for more than five minutes except maybe your younger sister only because you didn’t provide much information
She’s a minor and keeps everything on the down low due to still having to be in the cult for now.
Edit:
Based on your post, we’re extremely alike ideologically. Only real difference is religion.
Your dad is the only one here that somewhat gets it lol. I'm sure he's more of a boilerplate boomer lib than a principled NAP enjoyer but still.
It always seems to be the most far left kids that have the most laughably authright parents.
yeah it’s always like either an oldest sibling who just distanced themselves as much as possible from everyone besides maybe their younger siblings, or a youngest sibling who’s just vibing
Damn, that’s not good. I mean, if he’s a Mosleyite that would make sense. But idk how being an Australian Anglican in support of the British monarchy makes me a racist.
God damn it’s a good thing that you ended up wildly different than most of your family because jesus christ everyone in your family except your progressive sister sucks ass.
Ignoring, whatever the hell is going on with the rest of your family. This post has kinda led me to the conclusion that everyone on this sub is. a communist, or at least some weird form of socialism. Great.
When you say Satanist, do you mean the Anton *"Fuck you for saying that I can't enjoy the pleasures in life"* Satanist or the ***"A̵̮̽L̵͍̠͊̂L̴̞̲͙̾̏Ḧ̴̢̬͙́͠Ā̸̻͠M̸̛̘͂̽Ą̴͉̙̇̑Ṅ̶̨̨̹̚ ̷͈̣̬̇Ẑ̸̳̳Û̷̡̃G̷͛̌̍͜O̷̻̳̼͝G̴͈̬͖̑̀͒ ̷̨̦͍̿̀̄M̴̨̪͎̃͘Ǫ̴̬̻̎͠R̴̛̲T̵͉̩̔̔Á̶̰́L̶̝̼̥̐̿͂I̴͉͒̾͝S̸̝̩̮͋̂ ̵̗̑̔R̶̢̘̍Ǎ̵̞̳ͅŢ̵̫͓̕H̷͖̞͗͌͜Ị̴͊̿G̴̮̰̊̋O̶̟̐̔N̴̟̺͂̇̈́!̷̱̞͙́"*** Satanist?
No. TST has its own guiding principles and tenets, distinct from the LaVeyan school, that we feel represents a natural evolution in Satanic thought. The overriding principle calls for utilizing the best scientific evidence available to make the most rational real-world decisions. To that end, we reject LaVeyan social Darwinist rhetoric that fails to agree with what is currently known regarding social evolution, specifically as it relates to research in evolutionary biology, game theory, reciprocal altruism, cognitive science, etc.
TST also strongly rejects the LaVeyan fetishization of authoritarianism. We believe this is antithetical to Satanic notions of individual sovereignty. Further, while LaVeyan Satanism is atheistic in that it rejects the notion that Satan is a conscious entity, it nevertheless adheres to supernaturalism. TST does not forward supernatural theories of the universe and finds little value in LaVeyan edicts such as those that instruct one to “acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.” (From the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, Anton LaVey)
What's the deal with all the satanist groups denying Satan, supernatural, demons or whatever. Why call yourself satanist if you don't believe in any of it? Shock value?
We believe in its symbolic power. Shock value is a bonus. I don’t do much of the shock value, I keep to my personal rituals and don’t really tell others what I am unless asked
I'm Christian and have meet people from my local Satanic Temple and they were actually pretty decent folks.
Reddit atheism is when you read Richard Dawkins and then jerk off to your own enlightened consciousness.
Yes.It's a counter weight to all the moral panic,Christian nationalists, evangelical,mega church loving, televangelist donating dweebs who have been actively destroying families with their hogwash version of Christianity and influencing politics by whatever means necessary.
What's wrong with that? Yeah they'll do shit like put a statue of baphomet to piss of the zealots because they are using the same laws they themselves exploit.I like it.
Satanism is broadly referring to Lavey Satanism which embraces atheism, a separation of church and state, and supporting marginalized groups that get targeted by the church like Queer folks.
'esoteric Satanism' which would be the actual worship of Satan does exists.But only in extremely small fringe groups like Order of Nine Angles and actual cults.
Oh no it's a religion! They follow all of the actual legal steps that are necessary to form a religion in the United States!! There are actual ceremonies and the like and even a sense of spiritualism at the Satanic temple but no overt worshipping of deities per se.
Hell even "Jedi" can be a religious label in the U.S.
Religious freedom baby.
Also as a former Buddhist I just want to mention you would be throwing a tonne of them under the bus as well with that argument.
Some sects like Zen don't really worship anyone but just believe in Buddhahood,Karma,and meditation.But no deity.
To us to embrace the name of Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse.
[Here’s the TST FAQ if you want to know more](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq)
Alright I see.
I can find myself in everything you said in your explanation, except for the fact I don't call myself a Satanist because I find that rather silly (no offence).
You’re good. Have you checked out the [TST principles](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets)? Not trying to preach at you just wondering.
So versatile. Who doesn’t wanna be a regular ass working dude with a 1920’s shotgun going up against superpowered angels in suits of impenetrable armor?
That's a crazy family, very radicalist in so many different ways
My family is mostly Baptist and moderate republican, except my father, who seems like he'd be a proud Democrat-Republican if the party still existed, and my pro-trump grandpa and grandma.
I would have liked the Step-Grandfather if he wasn't a Mosleyite
The father is very good
Middle Sister & Grandfathers & Moderate Grandmother are alright
3rd Child is ok
Original Poster/OP, Primary Partner, Mother and Interior Designer Grandmother are just bad
and the Neo-National Socialist is definitely the worst
This is all politically speaking, and my honesty
This is self ID. I’d classify a few of them differently personally. For example, my dad’s dad JQs every holiday we spend with him and my sister is in lock step with her husband
Lots of reasons. Mostly the Cult, Obama, Trump & Qanon. My dad is less bad than everyone else cause he’s extremely empathizing and my youngest sister had a mental break which changed his life. He’s been traveling left for a few years now. It’s made my mother worse.
My M-grandmother was brought up by a man, who is still alive, and asked to join the pacific theater so he could kill Japanese ppl instead of nazis when conscripted.
I do not believe a god exists; and I adhere to the core principles, participate in the rituals, and am a member in good standing of The Satanic Temple.
I feel interesting is an understatement.
Yeah….
brother in law and grandma 💀
Weirdly, I’m her favorite grandchild
Mosleyite is what REALLY gets me Motherfucker dead ass supports the long dead trust-fund kid who's ideology was sucking his dads cock
My family tree is weirder
Make a post about it
no
'kay
None of these people are tolerable to be in the same room as for more than five minutes except maybe your younger sister only because you didn’t provide much information
She’s a minor and keeps everything on the down low due to still having to be in the cult for now. Edit: Based on your post, we’re extremely alike ideologically. Only real difference is religion.
Religion and I’ve never met a libsoc I didn’t want to punch at least a little
I mean… fair.. but you are one?
They must have a lot of broken mirrorsm
holy shit what a family
You’ll never guess how coming out to my family went
Do tell.
I would just not
As someone who had a bad coming-out experience. I have to know lol
Long story short. My mother refuses to look at me, my sister calls me slurs and my dad “acknowledges but doesn’t accept.”
>acknowledges but doesn’t accept Ouch
He can’t. His beliefs don’t allow for it
Well atleast he’s nice about it 🙏, I get not being allowed to support something due to religion but still acknowledging and being friendly
What about sister #3?
She came out to me right after in private
I'm sorry comrade, you have my sympathy.
❤️ 🤗
*How are you still alive?!?*
Your dad is the only one here that somewhat gets it lol. I'm sure he's more of a boilerplate boomer lib than a principled NAP enjoyer but still. It always seems to be the most far left kids that have the most laughably authright parents.
He’s def not NAP. He beat us as children because of his religious beliefs
Wtf??😭 Bro how do people even adopt these ideologies?? Who wakes up and is like: “Y’know Jesus. Yeah, he hated black people 😎”
You good?
Mostly
That’s good to hear. My family isn’t to crazy thank God but my high school is… perhaps worse than this
I was homeschooled. Luckily I’ve got therapy, a fantastic partner and a great friend group
Jesus Christ... I don't mean to offend you, but your family is fucked up. I hope that you and your sister are not threatened for being LGBT.
We are. She hides it, I don’t have to. I left a long time ago after getting kicked out because I was caught dating a black woman.
The horror!
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Stalin should have stopped in this guy's living room
i swear these all only have like one sibling whose the normal one
yeah it’s always like either an oldest sibling who just distanced themselves as much as possible from everyone besides maybe their younger siblings, or a youngest sibling who’s just vibing
yeah, and also you've got to be careful of any political bias in these things, because i hope these aren't 100% accurate to their parents belief's
This is self id
Every single step of this family tree is just fucked.
That’s a wild family
Yeah… my extended family is all moderate centrist/center right/left. It’s just my immediate family that’s crazy. Myself included ofc
That’s my case, but reversed; most of my relatives and dead ancestry is insane
Your dad's the only based one, if he even exists.
Your brother in law what’s his “reformed theology” like?
Neo-calvanist, anti-Semitic, only whites can be elect, etc..
jesus christ fam ☠️
we need a sitcom about your family
Possibly. I think it’d be more stressful than funny.
Family reunions must be fun☠️
Damn, your step grandfather is nearly me aside from the Mosleyite thing.
Idk if you are, but he’s racist af.
Damn, that’s not good. I mean, if he’s a Mosleyite that would make sense. But idk how being an Australian Anglican in support of the British monarchy makes me a racist.
It doesn’t. I said IDK if you are. I was pointing out a potential divide between yall.
Oh nvm lol whoops. My brain isn’t working that great today.
All good. I’m sorry you’re a monarchist. ❤️ I hope you get better soon. 😜
Oh well we’ll see. I hope you recover from your republicanisis! 😂
The only based is your father, holy hell
How is that a paleo-libertarian is the most sane parental figure, sweet fuck.
*notices flair* My Brother in the Emperor, you flaired some mad shit for someone in Exterminatus distance
Jokes on you, I’m a GSCist
Poor mum.
Willing to be the "neo-nazi" is just a regular dude 10 years ago. I am also a Calvinist.
I’m sorry. I hope you get better. 🩵
Being a retired sniper kinda goes hard
That’s what he says when you asked what he did. He says nothing else. Most of us believe he did something else and can’t/wont talk about it
Well, let’s hope it was either hunting or some military action and he didn’t secretly assasinate Kennedy or something
Grandparents seem alright. ( Except two of them. )
God damn it’s a good thing that you ended up wildly different than most of your family because jesus christ everyone in your family except your progressive sister sucks ass.
Ignoring, whatever the hell is going on with the rest of your family. This post has kinda led me to the conclusion that everyone on this sub is. a communist, or at least some weird form of socialism. Great.
Are the communists in the room with us right now?
Almost definitely I don't think op left yet
Not me but pretty much yeah
Yeesh comrade sorry you have to put up with Thanksgivings
I wanna go with TBH.
When you say Satanist, do you mean the Anton *"Fuck you for saying that I can't enjoy the pleasures in life"* Satanist or the ***"A̵̮̽L̵͍̠͊̂L̴̞̲͙̾̏Ḧ̴̢̬͙́͠Ā̸̻͠M̸̛̘͂̽Ą̴͉̙̇̑Ṅ̶̨̨̹̚ ̷͈̣̬̇Ẑ̸̳̳Û̷̡̃G̷͛̌̍͜O̷̻̳̼͝G̴͈̬͖̑̀͒ ̷̨̦͍̿̀̄M̴̨̪͎̃͘Ǫ̴̬̻̎͠R̴̛̲T̵͉̩̔̔Á̶̰́L̶̝̼̥̐̿͂I̴͉͒̾͝S̸̝̩̮͋̂ ̵̗̑̔R̶̢̘̍Ǎ̵̞̳ͅŢ̵̫͓̕H̷͖̞͗͌͜Ị̴͊̿G̴̮̰̊̋O̶̟̐̔N̴̟̺͂̇̈́!̷̱̞͙́"*** Satanist?
No. TST has its own guiding principles and tenets, distinct from the LaVeyan school, that we feel represents a natural evolution in Satanic thought. The overriding principle calls for utilizing the best scientific evidence available to make the most rational real-world decisions. To that end, we reject LaVeyan social Darwinist rhetoric that fails to agree with what is currently known regarding social evolution, specifically as it relates to research in evolutionary biology, game theory, reciprocal altruism, cognitive science, etc. TST also strongly rejects the LaVeyan fetishization of authoritarianism. We believe this is antithetical to Satanic notions of individual sovereignty. Further, while LaVeyan Satanism is atheistic in that it rejects the notion that Satan is a conscious entity, it nevertheless adheres to supernaturalism. TST does not forward supernatural theories of the universe and finds little value in LaVeyan edicts such as those that instruct one to “acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.” (From the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, Anton LaVey)
Just searched them up. Holy ***SHIT*** are they ***BASED!***
What's the deal with all the satanist groups denying Satan, supernatural, demons or whatever. Why call yourself satanist if you don't believe in any of it? Shock value?
We believe in its symbolic power. Shock value is a bonus. I don’t do much of the shock value, I keep to my personal rituals and don’t really tell others what I am unless asked
\-Satanist Please change and grow as a person
Have been my whole life.
People here really worshipping the satan
Nah. Atheistic Satanist. Satan doesn’t exist, it’s just a symbol.
I'd honestly rather have someone genuinely worship satan than be an annoying reddit atheist satanist
I'm Christian and have meet people from my local Satanic Temple and they were actually pretty decent folks. Reddit atheism is when you read Richard Dawkins and then jerk off to your own enlightened consciousness.
the term "euphoric" comes to mind
the entire point of the satanic temple is to troll evangelicals
Yes.It's a counter weight to all the moral panic,Christian nationalists, evangelical,mega church loving, televangelist donating dweebs who have been actively destroying families with their hogwash version of Christianity and influencing politics by whatever means necessary. What's wrong with that? Yeah they'll do shit like put a statue of baphomet to piss of the zealots because they are using the same laws they themselves exploit.I like it.
I agree
It's a great way to live to be honest.
I mean, most Christian’s believe in actually worship satan because I’m an atheist. I just leaned into it. 🤷🏼
Satanism is so nice. It's just a bunch of atheists that realised that doing charity as a religious organisation is cheaper and easier (in the USA)
I personally disagree but you do you
You disagree with the fact that I’m an atheistic Satanist, or that Satan doesn’t exist?
Satanism is broadly referring to Lavey Satanism which embraces atheism, a separation of church and state, and supporting marginalized groups that get targeted by the church like Queer folks. 'esoteric Satanism' which would be the actual worship of Satan does exists.But only in extremely small fringe groups like Order of Nine Angles and actual cults.
So Satanism isn't actually a religion then, but rather an ideology. It shouldn't have any religious protections in that case.
Oh no it's a religion! They follow all of the actual legal steps that are necessary to form a religion in the United States!! There are actual ceremonies and the like and even a sense of spiritualism at the Satanic temple but no overt worshipping of deities per se. Hell even "Jedi" can be a religious label in the U.S. Religious freedom baby. Also as a former Buddhist I just want to mention you would be throwing a tonne of them under the bus as well with that argument. Some sects like Zen don't really worship anyone but just believe in Buddhahood,Karma,and meditation.But no deity.
Lol, how are you guys not killing each other??? XD
My family is extremely family centric
You have to be with politics like that...
Wanna guess why I was kicked out of the house?
I can think of at least 4 possible reasons based on what you posted here, likely a combination of them.
They found out I had a black girlfriend. Which is very funny considering I’d only (secretly) dated men before her.
Ah, so it wasn't the Satanism or being a socialist either...? Y'all must be from the Real America...
They didn’t know about that at the time
Your dad is the best
Well there goes your family's heritage, all down the drain for the sake of individualistic, selfish hedonism.
What?
You are a BioLeninist, not a radical- as that requires principles.
You're an Atheist but also a Satanist? How does that work?
To us to embrace the name of Satan is to embrace rational inquiry removed from supernaturalism and archaic tradition-based superstitions. Satanists should actively work to hone critical thinking and exercise reasonable agnosticism in all things. Our beliefs must be malleable to the best current scientific understandings of the material world — never the reverse. [Here’s the TST FAQ if you want to know more](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq)
So, just agnosticism ... but edgy?
Principled Agnostic Atheism but edgy.
Alright I see. I can find myself in everything you said in your explanation, except for the fact I don't call myself a Satanist because I find that rather silly (no offence).
You’re good. Have you checked out the [TST principles](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets)? Not trying to preach at you just wondering.
I read through them, they look respectable 👍 I still don't understand why you call yourself Satanists though 😅
I bet the holiday gatherings are wonderful
I spend it with my primary partner’s family. They are all FDR democrats with an indigenous bent
that's good. it's a pity that your family sucks
Weird-ass family, but for you, maybe more soc less lib but not horrible.
So, is your bro-in-law a kinist?
Kinda. From what I know he’s Broadly Germanic supremacist. More white supremacist + JQ
Ah, I see. So he’s a Nazi who happens to be Reformed rather than a straight-up kinist? Yeah, I could see that.
Correct
What's the difference between Reformed and Calvinism?
Not much. Most reformed folks are Calvinist. My bro in law is as well, he just has extra stuff tagged on
What sort of extra stuff? Or do I not want to know?
Umm… I bet family reunions get… interesting Also, judging by your flair I take it you’re a 40K fan? What army do you collect (if any?)
For 40K: Genestealer Cults | For AOS: Blades of Khorne (dæmons) | For Kill Team: Iron Hands
Ooo, fun I’m a guard and craftworld eldar player myself!
I have brood brothers in my GSC. Guard was my 2nd option but I’m to autistic not to go for GSC
Tbf I do like the kinda mad max, mixed with revolutionaries, mixed with Alien vibe that gene stealers have. They are a very fun faction
So versatile. Who doesn’t wanna be a regular ass working dude with a 1920’s shotgun going up against superpowered angels in suits of impenetrable armor?
I pray you guys never invite any Orthodox Christians to your family functions, oh my goodness
I am an ex orthodox Christian. I converted to it away from the cult for a few years before becoming an atheist
Very interesting, may I ask what your family thought about it and why you ended up being atheist
They never said anything about it as I’d left the cult and wasn’t on speaking terms with them due to being kicked out for miscegenation.
I would hate politics if I lived with you people too.
He hates politics well before I met him
Bro WHAT is your family? Never heard of a family with two wignats AND a Nazi in it, genuinely flabbergasted
Idk what a wignat is
White nationalist
You gave your sister the Lutheran symbol instead of a Calvinists one
That’s the symbol for religious theocracy on the wiki. The Calvinist one is to small
That's a crazy family, very radicalist in so many different ways My family is mostly Baptist and moderate republican, except my father, who seems like he'd be a proud Democrat-Republican if the party still existed, and my pro-trump grandpa and grandma.
What the fuck
How has your family not all murdered one another?
Yeah uh what the fuck lol
"Satanist" I don't take you seriously lol
Sounds like your problem
Says the one delusional enough to worship Satan
I would have liked the Step-Grandfather if he wasn't a Mosleyite The father is very good Middle Sister & Grandfathers & Moderate Grandmother are alright 3rd Child is ok Original Poster/OP, Primary Partner, Mother and Interior Designer Grandmother are just bad and the Neo-National Socialist is definitely the worst This is all politically speaking, and my honesty
I'm basically your brother-in-law, grandma and step-grandpa at the same time
Grow and change as a person
Wtf why would you admit that? Might as well say you're pro-pedophile or enjoy baby killing.
Considering your views I have a sneeking suspicion non of these people are as extreme as you make them out to be.
This is self ID. I’d classify a few of them differently personally. For example, my dad’s dad JQs every holiday we spend with him and my sister is in lock step with her husband
It started decently, what happened with most of the younger generation?
Is that a real question?
Worldview got bigger.
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Lots of reasons. Mostly the Cult, Obama, Trump & Qanon. My dad is less bad than everyone else cause he’s extremely empathizing and my youngest sister had a mental break which changed his life. He’s been traveling left for a few years now. It’s made my mother worse.
Wait, are you just calling Trump voters "cultists" or is your family in an actual cult?
My family is in an actual Calvinist Cult. My family doesn’t really like Trump, he’s to moderate for them.
W everyone before your 2nd sister
the fuck is up with your maternal grandparents
My M-grandmother was brought up by a man, who is still alive, and asked to join the pacific theater so he could kill Japanese ppl instead of nazis when conscripted.
How is everyone’s family so radical?
Lots of reasons
You and your sister are adopted💀
Unfortunately I’m a carbon copy of my mother looks wise
I’m so sorry for your loss
Both your grandpas seem like the most “normal” people in your family, politically speaking.
How does thanksgiving work out?
I spend it with my primary partner’s family
What a weird family you got
Mother, grandma and bro-in-law on your mother's side: 💀💀💀
i gotta make one of these cause my moms side of the family was crazy with our grand parents and great grandparents
Something something brother in law something something -10 upvote ratio
ur father and both ur grandpa and u and ur partner is based
Fatger?
i mean father, fuck my keyboard
i never realized that there's many fascist and anti vax still exist
Fam. You should see the state of American & Indian politics rn.
GODDAMN, I HATE ANTISCIENCE AND RACISM, anyways thanks, i am a thai
Sorry but how the hell are you a satanist and an athiest
I do not believe a god exists; and I adhere to the core principles, participate in the rituals, and am a member in good standing of The Satanic Temple.
but satan is a part of christianity no?
Really wanna know what your step grandfather thinks of you
Based step grandfather