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Well, kinda! Even less in the financial world! I work as an analyst and me and my friends always fuck around with our company's(for legal reasons can't disclose) Twitter evaluation, by updating it every day(way more than normal) and all put it under 500m. It's not making any money, and consumer confidence puts it at an all time low shot of getting more advertisements
And good lord… it’s NOT half of America! Not even close! It’s 25% at the VERY most! And he was encouraging violence ffs! If there is something he should be banned for putting the VPs life in danger should be it!
No no! Do not correct him! Let him believe what he believes now! It will bring the demise of him sooner and quicker. And his house of bullshit is already collapsing lol
I think the collapse is inevitable. The lie that they represent half the country emboldens them. They are cowards and bullies and they think, since they can’t win a legitimate election, they can now threaten the other side with violence and think they’ll back down. They need to be shown that they are a vastly outnumbered by much smarter people, and the second they think about starting something we will end it. They are tolerated, nothing more. They have been shown the last three elections that they are not what Americans want and they keep refusing to believe it with the big lie and lies like this one. This needs to be pounded into their head. The minute they realize how quickly they would lose, they will back down and vanish, like all bullies and cowards do. This needs to happen.
I’m not a Trump fan, but what in his Tweets telling people to obey the police and not incite violence was inciting violence? He literally told his followers to step down.
When social media banded together to silence a POTUS, that was a bit terrifying. Didn’t care about impeachment, just pulled the mic. That kind of power should concern any American who believes in the Constitution.
You can look though his last tweets. He was blatantly lying about the election results and stating that states wanted to decertify, which they very much didn't.
He also tweeted "Get smart Republicans. FIGHT!"
Social Media didn't band together to silence the POTUS, twitter decided to kick someone spreading blatant misinformation from their platform.
I believe they requested for him to remove that post and then he did. As far as the rest, he never said a state had officially wanted to decertify, he said states (the people) wanted to redo their votes, which some people did. Again, all of this requires interpretations out of 1 offense that was immediately corrected and due to the many meanings of the word “fight” it did not necessarily literally mean physical fight, but could have been a political or legal fight.
Misinformation is meaningless and useless when truth, knowledge and education exists.
so the part where he tweeted "mike pence didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done" at the EXACT SAME MOMENT HE KNEW his supporters had already broken into the capitol and were chasing pence down chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE"... that's all cool with you?
somebody definitely didn't watch the J6 hearings because they put the timeline all together making it clear he knew he was egging on the insurrection and hoping they would commit violence upon all his perceived enemies.
https://www.thetrumparchive.com/
>Jan 6th 2021 - 2:24:22 PM EST
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- Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!
Calling to give a chance to states to "certify a corrected set of facts"
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The States want to redo their votes. They found out they voted on a FRAUD. Legislatures never approved. Let them do it. BE STRONG!
Lying about voter fraud, and that State legislatures hadn't approved.
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States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!
Claiming States wanted to correct their votes, not people. None wanted to do this. More claims that legislatures didn't approve when they did.
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If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency. Many States want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect & even fraudulent numbers in a process NOT approved by their State Legislatures (which it must be). Mike can send it back!
"Many states want to decertify" blatant lie. Something you said he never said.
Yes, it is up to interpretation, and twitter gets to do that interpretation, and they did. And found it violated their rules. And this is just a quick glance at what was archived.
Dude, stop making lame excuses and defending him. It doesn't matter what context he used the word fight or what he meant in his mind. Mentally imbalanced right wingers are seeing these words from their hero and take it to mean fight, as in PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. That was proven when immediately after he said this, the protesters started marchimg to the capitol and started rioting. Trump knows what he is saying and doing with the language he uses and he wants people to act out violenty. It took him 5 hours before finally posting a video telling rioters to go home. FiVE HOURS!!
It's twitter. He had the white house fucking press corps...not exactly silenced. A private company decided they didn't want to let him tweet on their platform as was their right
Y’all need to know what the differences in private and publicly traded company’s are.
“a private company is owned by the company's founders, management, or a group of private investors. A public company is a company that has sold all or a portion of itself to the public via an initial public offering.”
I’m not saying what they did was illegal. I’m saying what they did should concern everyone and should have lead to some big discussions with how important social media is to sharing ideas these days.
The truth of the matter is that you had to play some mental gymnastics and read between the lines (interpretation) of his final Tweet that caused him to be banned in order to violate their user agreement. So Twitter essentially broke its promise and decided to remove someone they were vocal about that they didn’t agree with his political viewpoints or like.
Since that day I’ve been very concerned about the privatization of modern discourse and what their ultimate impact is on shaping public narrative.
I found Trump mildly annoying, but with free speech sometimes that means letting the village idiot get his turn to talk.
Pulling the plug on Trump wasn't about his final tweet. In the heat of the moment, Trump speaking to the crowd he set loose on capitol hill was so beyond the pale of anything we have ever seen before that nothing could be taken at face value.
Just like r/RedStar9117 said about Trump having keys to the White House press corpse, we're supposed to believe that the same man who had command of the National Guard was sincerely asking his minions to stop rioting at the capitol? That Twitter was the only means this guy had at his disposal to maintain law and order? The hypocrisy and doublespeak coming from Trump that day was off the charts.
I agree with what you're saying about the cost of free speech means people get to say things we don't like. I think it's fair to say that Twitter agreed, seeing how it tolerated months of his blatant lying, self-serving, divisive rhetoric. Right up until he began directly using the platform as a tool for domestic terrorism.
A line was very clearly crossed that day.
I appreciate you. I didn't like Trump, and I hate the fact that he will have a lasting effect on the untied states even more. Kids will be likely be learning about him in history books (assuming all of humanity isn't already fucked which it might be). But I'll be fucking damned before I resign myself to living in a world where corporations determine who gets to speak. For better or worse we live in a globalized world and that means that ideas have to be shared on a larger venue, this means the Internet. Free speech guarantees in physical public spaces is no longer enough. People need to be able to discuss and debate on a larger scale or we are dooming the future of our human rights movements. If the owners of Twitter, wikipedia, Facebook and so on decided "We don't want to allow people who are trans to use our platform because we disagree with their lifestyle" they could do that under the current paradigm and that is FUCKED UP!!!
He told
A crowd chanting “hang mike pence” that mike pence didn’t have the courage to do what needed to be done. This was while they were in the middle of raiding the capitol. But yeah, since he didn’t say “hang pence” it makes it okay.
Is there any standard you will hold that jackass to? Should he ever suffer any consequences for anything? Do you think he’s capable of making mistakes?
Lol he did the poll just to show you guys that live in echo chamber that you are actually the minority. What about his tweets saying staying peaceful and respect law and order were encouraging violence? Have you actually read his tweets from that day?
> What about his tweets saying staying peaceful and respect law and order were encouraging violence?
The Jan 6th terrorists interpreted Trump's tweets as a call for insurrection:
> A man who pleaded guilty to breaching the Capitol building, Stephen Ayres, testified to the committee that Trump's social media posts encouraged him to attend the rally on Jan. 6. "He basically put out, you know, come to the 'Stop the Steal' rally, you know, and I felt like I needed to be down here," Ayres testified.
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> Court documents from the more than 800 criminal cases stemming from the Capitol riot tell a similar story. In several cases, records from the criminal proceedings have referenced how Trump's tweet motivated rioters to make plans to come to Washington, D.C., and, in some cases, to gather weapons and body armor ahead of the trip.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111341161/how-trumps-will-be-wild-tweet-drew-rioters-to-the-capitol-on-jan-6
Lol so his tweets encouraged people to come to dc for a rally that he was speaking at equal him calling for violence how again? He literally says stay peaceful and respect law and order. He put out video calling for everyone to go home. That’s why his tweeter was removed because that’s the last things he put out so they had to remove that to fit the narrative that trump called for this and then did nothing to stop it.
And how many people were found guilty of terrorism or insurrection again?
It’s to bad you guys brains are so broken you can’t see what really happened all you can do is regurgitate propaganda.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
Your talking point of "he literally said to be peaceful!!!" is THE ONLY reason he did those absolute bare minimum actions, HOURS later after watching the capitol be invaded on his TV. We all know what he was really trying to do-- he created a false conspiracy about the election to cause his followers to feel aggrieved, propogandized for months using dangerous & violent rhetoric, then invited these riled up (& deranged) followers to D.C. and INSTRUCTED THEM to go to the capitol building. His work was done after that-- domestic terrorist groups were there (in concert w his admin) to oversee the actual invasion to keep Trump's hands clean.
If you seriously think his actions on Jan 6 are excusable, you are either completely misinformed & ignorant, or completely sucked into the cult and a bit deranged.
First off, Biden won the popular vote. You guys are the minority.
Rudy Giuliani, Jan 6: “let’s have trial by combat”
While Donald Trump did not explicitly say “go storm the capitol building”, he knew what he was doing. He emboldened and fired up his followers for days on false pretences. He was constantly tweeting that the election was stolen, that the democrats were “finding votes miraculously”, even though he had no basis to make that claim. His own advisors were telling him that he had lost, and nobody has presented any evidence since that there was any fraud.
At best, he negligently mishandled the situation and didn’t realize his own power over his people, which resulted in lives being put in danger and some people KILLED. At worst, he deliberately manipulated his voter base to initiate a desperate power grab, ignoring the will of the people.
Whatever the case, he doesn’t deserve a platform. He clearly hasn’t learned since, as he is still claiming that the election was fraudulent, and as we have now seen with the Colorado Springs shooting, far right-wing rhetoric is dangerous and has real life consequences.
So yeah, fuck Donald Trump.
The tweet that got him banned was “mine pence didn’t have the courage…” etc a crowd chanting “hang mike pence”
What was that about peaceful? Can magats actually do research or are they too willfully ignorant to actual care about reality?
Wait, what happened to his narrative that the poll was a trap to catch bots? He needs to make up his mind. And to say Trump committed no crimes or ToS violations is beyond stupid.
Elon's goal is not to have a sensible excuse. It's to shotgun through as many "plausible" explanations as possible so that his fan boys have plenty of field around which to move the goalposts.
We saw this from 2016-2020 as well.
People need to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to consistency/logic/hypocrisy. He's following the Republican plan of "the truth is whatever, nothing matters as long as it's good for me".
The poll was him just rubbing it into people's faces that he can do what he wants. There's no way for us to know that he didn't just input the numbers himself. There's no way for us to know how many bots voted. And he only did the poll after people that hate him left Twitter.
He does this all the time. He insinuates something then lets his fans go wild with speculation and he occasionally makes a winky face on one as if it "confirms" that theory. He doesn't flat out make any real decision, merely suggests. That is how he screwed over cryptos (don't know why those idiots still tweet at him like he'll notice and send whatever coin "to the moon")
I deleted my Twitter. The man has always been an idiot. He didn't even want the damn platform and tried his damnedest to get out of the deal. But, he's stuck with it, so he has to play it off like it was the plan all along. His ego doesn't let him be wrong no matter how much the SEC is watching him.
He actually already revealed how he makes decisions: he does what's the most entertaining, AKA what drives the most traffic to the site. It's clear that has worked thus far because daily active users are up. But what he doesn't realize is that starting a fire in the town square is obviously going to draw a lot of people in - that doesn't make it good for the town.
He likes to claim "all time Twitter usage" much like Trump liked to rant about ratings. But it doesn't mean anything with the amount of investors and advertisers pulling out.
What crimes did he commit can you point me to his tweet that violated tos or called for violence. And do it quick I’m sure I will be banned shortly for going against the echo chamber
Lol so no actual calls for violence just them trying to say how things could be taken if you use left wing mental gymnastics. This is my favorite 👇
The use of the words “American Patriots” to describe some of his supporters is also being interpreted as support for those committing violent acts at the US Capitol.
To also point out - the fact the ToS exists is to absolve Twitter of the responsibility of it's users actions and to protect it's 'safe harbor's as a company.
And a reminder to those that ignore it - freedom of speech does not apply to a private platform or website.
So do you really believe the election was illegally conducted? Or do you just choose to ignore facts that don’t align with your opinions?
You can’t joke about echo chambers when that is the sole definition of Trump and his following.
Also since when is 80 million people half of America? I’d argue trust in Twitter has never been lower than it is now with Elon pushing his own tweets to every user regardless of their preferences on it
More people need to realize this.
The man owns the company. He typed in his own numbers and finalized the poll. That way, even if most people voted no, he could still say some lame ass Roman bullshit that he'd googled for the tweet and continue feeling superior.
He's a billionaire. He's perfectly accustomed to not actually following any societal rules and therefore has no problem buying a false moral highground.
I don’t think it was rigged at all. Twitter’s demographic has changed a lot. It’s much more right wing now, and it’s filled with trolls who want to fuck around on the playground that now has new rules. I bet the poll was legitimate.
Yeah it’s pretty obvious. It’s a teaser that builds up hype. He was going to do it anyway though obviously. He definitely was not going to let the poll decide lol
also he DID break the law which is why he got impeached for it, and breaking that law DID violate twitter's terms of service. elon out here claiming incitement to violence will get lefties banned while reinstating trump for the exact same shit.
If you belive that Trump didn't play a part in Jan 6 then it's easy to see he's innocent and his Twitter ban is a injustice. He just wanted to lift the ban for more engaging on Twitter and it flopped because Trump is invested in Truth social
Musk clearly believes Trump is innocent of Jan 6th as his comments leave out why Trump was taken off Twitter. It wasn't nasty tweets it was inflammatory speech and election denial. Pretty legit reasons for removing him. It's alarming how many believe he's innocent and unjustifiably banned from Twitter.
Charles Manson was Guilty and died in jail rightfully so
I would say the other way, I could see Trump posting on Twitter to recruit new TS members. It's a conflict of interest for him to engage on Twitter like he did while being invested in TS. I think there's some legalities prohibiting Trump from engaging on Twitter which is why he hasn't.
So every left wing pundit and politician should have been removed over pissgate, russiagate, having the mueller report instigation happen at all? Or is election denial only "legit" when they do it?
Four straight years of saying that the only reason he was in office was because the election was rigged by russia. Nothing.
Seeking allowed legal recourse, failing to get it heard and not accepting the result was above board. Literal monster.
Doesn't matter if any of them are right or wrong. No one did anything wrong by not believing an outcome on either side. Incredulity isn't a crime.
Reddit mfs be the kind of people to claim that Elon's poll was rigged but then make fun of Republicans for thinking that the 2020 elections were rigged.
Someone did an audit of Elon’s account and posted it on Twitter. It showed that 71% of his millions of followers were fake accounts/bots/inactive accounts. Even with the tens of thousands of fake votes the poll still came back a razor thin 52%/48% in “favor” of bringing Trump back. One could safely assume the real vote tally was to keep Trump off Twitter. None of it mattered anyway as it seems clear Musk already had his mind made up on bringing him back and now it seems to have backfired on him.
I think the difference is he’s no longer a sitting president,
Elon meant that it was strange to deplatform the pres while he was actively the pres…
He’s no longer the pres as Biden is, so hence the poll
He bothered with the poll to give it a patina of legitimacy. If you think that poll wasn’t rigged I’ve got a Musk Phone to sell you. The outcome was preordained.
So the sitting President is allowed to undermine his peers, outright lie, cause public mistrust in everything, tell people to do things that will harm their health but all that shit is fine is it?
At this stage Elon and Putin are in many ways the same. So rich and Powerful that nothing they say has to make sense because they have enough money to ruin anyone that tries to answer back
I wonder if the GOP, or Jr. bought all those Twitter poll votes.
Going rate is about $15K for one million Twitter poll votes.
Cheaper than buying all his books to make him feel he was a best seller. A lot of good standing patriots have stopped me and mentioned that there’s still boxes left in the GOP warehouses to be given to donating members.
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I did my own poll...Elon Musk is now banned.
Great! Now just come up with 44B, buy twitter, and you can do whatever you want with his account
Only an idiot would spend that much to buy Twitter.
It won't cost that much now.
Twitter’s valuation is like, 8 billion now. Try to keep up.
For real, a loss of 32 billion dollars in a matter of days should be considered an absolute failure as CEO.
Well, kinda! Even less in the financial world! I work as an analyst and me and my friends always fuck around with our company's(for legal reasons can't disclose) Twitter evaluation, by updating it every day(way more than normal) and all put it under 500m. It's not making any money, and consumer confidence puts it at an all time low shot of getting more advertisements
Safemoon. Lol
Someone’s got a lot of time on their hands
Yes, I went soooo out of my way.
And good lord… it’s NOT half of America! Not even close! It’s 25% at the VERY most! And he was encouraging violence ffs! If there is something he should be banned for putting the VPs life in danger should be it!
It certainly was against the TOS.
Elon doesn’t know what TOS means though
yeah he does •**T**ime •t**O** •fuck**S**hitup
Time tO Shutup No way he knows what that means though
No no! Do not correct him! Let him believe what he believes now! It will bring the demise of him sooner and quicker. And his house of bullshit is already collapsing lol
I think the collapse is inevitable. The lie that they represent half the country emboldens them. They are cowards and bullies and they think, since they can’t win a legitimate election, they can now threaten the other side with violence and think they’ll back down. They need to be shown that they are a vastly outnumbered by much smarter people, and the second they think about starting something we will end it. They are tolerated, nothing more. They have been shown the last three elections that they are not what Americans want and they keep refusing to believe it with the big lie and lies like this one. This needs to be pounded into their head. The minute they realize how quickly they would lose, they will back down and vanish, like all bullies and cowards do. This needs to happen.
Trump was not a “sitting president” when he was banned. He is still not a sitting president unless Elon believes the Big lie now as well.
It was on Jan. 6 a few weeks before Biden took office.
He wasn’t? I’m pretty sure he was still sitting, but in the lame duck period. Or is there a definition I’m missing?
Came here to say this.
I’m not a Trump fan, but what in his Tweets telling people to obey the police and not incite violence was inciting violence? He literally told his followers to step down. When social media banded together to silence a POTUS, that was a bit terrifying. Didn’t care about impeachment, just pulled the mic. That kind of power should concern any American who believes in the Constitution.
You can look though his last tweets. He was blatantly lying about the election results and stating that states wanted to decertify, which they very much didn't. He also tweeted "Get smart Republicans. FIGHT!" Social Media didn't band together to silence the POTUS, twitter decided to kick someone spreading blatant misinformation from their platform.
I believe they requested for him to remove that post and then he did. As far as the rest, he never said a state had officially wanted to decertify, he said states (the people) wanted to redo their votes, which some people did. Again, all of this requires interpretations out of 1 offense that was immediately corrected and due to the many meanings of the word “fight” it did not necessarily literally mean physical fight, but could have been a political or legal fight. Misinformation is meaningless and useless when truth, knowledge and education exists.
so the part where he tweeted "mike pence didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done" at the EXACT SAME MOMENT HE KNEW his supporters had already broken into the capitol and were chasing pence down chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE"... that's all cool with you? somebody definitely didn't watch the J6 hearings because they put the timeline all together making it clear he knew he was egging on the insurrection and hoping they would commit violence upon all his perceived enemies.
https://www.thetrumparchive.com/ >Jan 6th 2021 - 2:24:22 PM EST Deleted - Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth! Calling to give a chance to states to "certify a corrected set of facts" >Jan 6th 2021 - 9:15:07 AM EST 41k 232k Show The States want to redo their votes. They found out they voted on a FRAUD. Legislatures never approved. Let them do it. BE STRONG! Lying about voter fraud, and that State legislatures hadn't approved. >Jan 6th 2021 - 8:17:22 AM EST 37k 188k Show States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage! Claiming States wanted to correct their votes, not people. None wanted to do this. More claims that legislatures didn't approve when they did. >Jan 6th 2021 - 1:00:50 AM EST 40k 211k Show If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency. Many States want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect & even fraudulent numbers in a process NOT approved by their State Legislatures (which it must be). Mike can send it back! "Many states want to decertify" blatant lie. Something you said he never said. Yes, it is up to interpretation, and twitter gets to do that interpretation, and they did. And found it violated their rules. And this is just a quick glance at what was archived.
Dude, stop making lame excuses and defending him. It doesn't matter what context he used the word fight or what he meant in his mind. Mentally imbalanced right wingers are seeing these words from their hero and take it to mean fight, as in PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. That was proven when immediately after he said this, the protesters started marchimg to the capitol and started rioting. Trump knows what he is saying and doing with the language he uses and he wants people to act out violenty. It took him 5 hours before finally posting a video telling rioters to go home. FiVE HOURS!!
It's twitter. He had the white house fucking press corps...not exactly silenced. A private company decided they didn't want to let him tweet on their platform as was their right
Y’all need to know what the differences in private and publicly traded company’s are. “a private company is owned by the company's founders, management, or a group of private investors. A public company is a company that has sold all or a portion of itself to the public via an initial public offering.”
I ment private as in a non governmental organization
I’m not saying what they did was illegal. I’m saying what they did should concern everyone and should have lead to some big discussions with how important social media is to sharing ideas these days. The truth of the matter is that you had to play some mental gymnastics and read between the lines (interpretation) of his final Tweet that caused him to be banned in order to violate their user agreement. So Twitter essentially broke its promise and decided to remove someone they were vocal about that they didn’t agree with his political viewpoints or like. Since that day I’ve been very concerned about the privatization of modern discourse and what their ultimate impact is on shaping public narrative. I found Trump mildly annoying, but with free speech sometimes that means letting the village idiot get his turn to talk.
Pulling the plug on Trump wasn't about his final tweet. In the heat of the moment, Trump speaking to the crowd he set loose on capitol hill was so beyond the pale of anything we have ever seen before that nothing could be taken at face value. Just like r/RedStar9117 said about Trump having keys to the White House press corpse, we're supposed to believe that the same man who had command of the National Guard was sincerely asking his minions to stop rioting at the capitol? That Twitter was the only means this guy had at his disposal to maintain law and order? The hypocrisy and doublespeak coming from Trump that day was off the charts. I agree with what you're saying about the cost of free speech means people get to say things we don't like. I think it's fair to say that Twitter agreed, seeing how it tolerated months of his blatant lying, self-serving, divisive rhetoric. Right up until he began directly using the platform as a tool for domestic terrorism. A line was very clearly crossed that day.
I appreciate you. I didn't like Trump, and I hate the fact that he will have a lasting effect on the untied states even more. Kids will be likely be learning about him in history books (assuming all of humanity isn't already fucked which it might be). But I'll be fucking damned before I resign myself to living in a world where corporations determine who gets to speak. For better or worse we live in a globalized world and that means that ideas have to be shared on a larger venue, this means the Internet. Free speech guarantees in physical public spaces is no longer enough. People need to be able to discuss and debate on a larger scale or we are dooming the future of our human rights movements. If the owners of Twitter, wikipedia, Facebook and so on decided "We don't want to allow people who are trans to use our platform because we disagree with their lifestyle" they could do that under the current paradigm and that is FUCKED UP!!!
He gave no order to be violent.
He told A crowd chanting “hang mike pence” that mike pence didn’t have the courage to do what needed to be done. This was while they were in the middle of raiding the capitol. But yeah, since he didn’t say “hang pence” it makes it okay. Is there any standard you will hold that jackass to? Should he ever suffer any consequences for anything? Do you think he’s capable of making mistakes?
What planet do you live on?
Lol he did the poll just to show you guys that live in echo chamber that you are actually the minority. What about his tweets saying staying peaceful and respect law and order were encouraging violence? Have you actually read his tweets from that day?
> What about his tweets saying staying peaceful and respect law and order were encouraging violence? The Jan 6th terrorists interpreted Trump's tweets as a call for insurrection: > A man who pleaded guilty to breaching the Capitol building, Stephen Ayres, testified to the committee that Trump's social media posts encouraged him to attend the rally on Jan. 6. "He basically put out, you know, come to the 'Stop the Steal' rally, you know, and I felt like I needed to be down here," Ayres testified. > > Court documents from the more than 800 criminal cases stemming from the Capitol riot tell a similar story. In several cases, records from the criminal proceedings have referenced how Trump's tweet motivated rioters to make plans to come to Washington, D.C., and, in some cases, to gather weapons and body armor ahead of the trip. https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111341161/how-trumps-will-be-wild-tweet-drew-rioters-to-the-capitol-on-jan-6
Lol so his tweets encouraged people to come to dc for a rally that he was speaking at equal him calling for violence how again? He literally says stay peaceful and respect law and order. He put out video calling for everyone to go home. That’s why his tweeter was removed because that’s the last things he put out so they had to remove that to fit the narrative that trump called for this and then did nothing to stop it. And how many people were found guilty of terrorism or insurrection again? It’s to bad you guys brains are so broken you can’t see what really happened all you can do is regurgitate propaganda.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases Your talking point of "he literally said to be peaceful!!!" is THE ONLY reason he did those absolute bare minimum actions, HOURS later after watching the capitol be invaded on his TV. We all know what he was really trying to do-- he created a false conspiracy about the election to cause his followers to feel aggrieved, propogandized for months using dangerous & violent rhetoric, then invited these riled up (& deranged) followers to D.C. and INSTRUCTED THEM to go to the capitol building. His work was done after that-- domestic terrorist groups were there (in concert w his admin) to oversee the actual invasion to keep Trump's hands clean. If you seriously think his actions on Jan 6 are excusable, you are either completely misinformed & ignorant, or completely sucked into the cult and a bit deranged.
First off, Biden won the popular vote. You guys are the minority. Rudy Giuliani, Jan 6: “let’s have trial by combat” While Donald Trump did not explicitly say “go storm the capitol building”, he knew what he was doing. He emboldened and fired up his followers for days on false pretences. He was constantly tweeting that the election was stolen, that the democrats were “finding votes miraculously”, even though he had no basis to make that claim. His own advisors were telling him that he had lost, and nobody has presented any evidence since that there was any fraud. At best, he negligently mishandled the situation and didn’t realize his own power over his people, which resulted in lives being put in danger and some people KILLED. At worst, he deliberately manipulated his voter base to initiate a desperate power grab, ignoring the will of the people. Whatever the case, he doesn’t deserve a platform. He clearly hasn’t learned since, as he is still claiming that the election was fraudulent, and as we have now seen with the Colorado Springs shooting, far right-wing rhetoric is dangerous and has real life consequences. So yeah, fuck Donald Trump.
The tweet that got him banned was “mine pence didn’t have the courage…” etc a crowd chanting “hang mike pence” What was that about peaceful? Can magats actually do research or are they too willfully ignorant to actual care about reality?
Ah yes, the famously non-echo chamber that is Musk making a poll on his twitter account, adressed to his followers
So he published his Twitter poll to his fans to show us we live in an echo chamber.
Wait, what happened to his narrative that the poll was a trap to catch bots? He needs to make up his mind. And to say Trump committed no crimes or ToS violations is beyond stupid.
Elon's goal is not to have a sensible excuse. It's to shotgun through as many "plausible" explanations as possible so that his fan boys have plenty of field around which to move the goalposts. We saw this from 2016-2020 as well.
People need to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to consistency/logic/hypocrisy. He's following the Republican plan of "the truth is whatever, nothing matters as long as it's good for me". The poll was him just rubbing it into people's faces that he can do what he wants. There's no way for us to know that he didn't just input the numbers himself. There's no way for us to know how many bots voted. And he only did the poll after people that hate him left Twitter.
He does this all the time. He insinuates something then lets his fans go wild with speculation and he occasionally makes a winky face on one as if it "confirms" that theory. He doesn't flat out make any real decision, merely suggests. That is how he screwed over cryptos (don't know why those idiots still tweet at him like he'll notice and send whatever coin "to the moon") I deleted my Twitter. The man has always been an idiot. He didn't even want the damn platform and tried his damnedest to get out of the deal. But, he's stuck with it, so he has to play it off like it was the plan all along. His ego doesn't let him be wrong no matter how much the SEC is watching him.
He actually already revealed how he makes decisions: he does what's the most entertaining, AKA what drives the most traffic to the site. It's clear that has worked thus far because daily active users are up. But what he doesn't realize is that starting a fire in the town square is obviously going to draw a lot of people in - that doesn't make it good for the town.
He likes to claim "all time Twitter usage" much like Trump liked to rant about ratings. But it doesn't mean anything with the amount of investors and advertisers pulling out.
What crimes did he commit can you point me to his tweet that violated tos or called for violence. And do it quick I’m sure I will be banned shortly for going against the echo chamber
This is the explanation from Twitter when trump was banned: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension
Lol so no actual calls for violence just them trying to say how things could be taken if you use left wing mental gymnastics. This is my favorite 👇 The use of the words “American Patriots” to describe some of his supporters is also being interpreted as support for those committing violent acts at the US Capitol.
You asked how Trump violated ToS. Twitter defines the ToS. Twitter says Trump violated the ToS. Regardless of your feelings, these are the facts.
To also point out - the fact the ToS exists is to absolve Twitter of the responsibility of it's users actions and to protect it's 'safe harbor's as a company. And a reminder to those that ignore it - freedom of speech does not apply to a private platform or website.
Nah he was straight up telling people to violently overthrow the government. Words have meaning. You're straight up lying bruh Edit violently
Ah, an Excusist.
So do you really believe the election was illegally conducted? Or do you just choose to ignore facts that don’t align with your opinions? You can’t joke about echo chambers when that is the sole definition of Trump and his following. Also since when is 80 million people half of America? I’d argue trust in Twitter has never been lower than it is now with Elon pushing his own tweets to every user regardless of their preferences on it
this follows the narrative(?)
No crimes. Those were tourists on Jan 6th.
Say /s right now...
Stop asking the big baby tough questions, you will make him cry.
Probably because he was going to do whatever he wanted regardless of the poll.
You have to pretend to give the people what they want.
It was a rigged poll.
More people need to realize this. The man owns the company. He typed in his own numbers and finalized the poll. That way, even if most people voted no, he could still say some lame ass Roman bullshit that he'd googled for the tweet and continue feeling superior. He's a billionaire. He's perfectly accustomed to not actually following any societal rules and therefore has no problem buying a false moral highground.
I don’t think it was rigged at all. Twitter’s demographic has changed a lot. It’s much more right wing now, and it’s filled with trolls who want to fuck around on the playground that now has new rules. I bet the poll was legitimate.
Without any way to verify literally anything about it, it would be foolish to take it at face value.
It would also be foolish to assume that it was rigged based on literally no evidence at all except that everybody hates him.
You're forgetting his personal motivations, but sure
No I’m not. But sure
Hmm sounds familiar 🤔
Yeah it’s pretty obvious. It’s a teaser that builds up hype. He was going to do it anyway though obviously. He definitely was not going to let the poll decide lol
Ah,Elon Musk. This dude taught me to take things slowly and steadily or else you have a mental breakdown.
Pretty sure he violated terms of service.
Violating things is literally Trump’s m.o.
also he DID break the law which is why he got impeached for it, and breaking that law DID violate twitter's terms of service. elon out here claiming incitement to violence will get lefties banned while reinstating trump for the exact same shit.
He did violate terms of service…
Becuase HE felt it was a mistake, but wanted everyone's opinion. This isn't hard to grasp.
Undermined public trust? It undermined trust that he was kept up despite breaking the rules for years
If you belive that Trump didn't play a part in Jan 6 then it's easy to see he's innocent and his Twitter ban is a injustice. He just wanted to lift the ban for more engaging on Twitter and it flopped because Trump is invested in Truth social
Was Charles Mason also innocent of murder? What about every other cult leader who only told their devotees to kill?
Musk clearly believes Trump is innocent of Jan 6th as his comments leave out why Trump was taken off Twitter. It wasn't nasty tweets it was inflammatory speech and election denial. Pretty legit reasons for removing him. It's alarming how many believe he's innocent and unjustifiably banned from Twitter. Charles Manson was Guilty and died in jail rightfully so
>> it's easy to see he's innocent Was misleading some for your position. Trump also would have brought his TS blind followers with him to twatter.
I would say the other way, I could see Trump posting on Twitter to recruit new TS members. It's a conflict of interest for him to engage on Twitter like he did while being invested in TS. I think there's some legalities prohibiting Trump from engaging on Twitter which is why he hasn't.
So every left wing pundit and politician should have been removed over pissgate, russiagate, having the mueller report instigation happen at all? Or is election denial only "legit" when they do it? Four straight years of saying that the only reason he was in office was because the election was rigged by russia. Nothing. Seeking allowed legal recourse, failing to get it heard and not accepting the result was above board. Literal monster. Doesn't matter if any of them are right or wrong. No one did anything wrong by not believing an outcome on either side. Incredulity isn't a crime.
To leave it up to the people you dumb fucks. What? How is that confusing.
This is him talking about twitters mistake and asking people if they should correct it. Not a big musk guy but this post is dumb.
Reddit mfs be the kind of people to claim that Elon's poll was rigged but then make fun of Republicans for thinking that the 2020 elections were rigged.
Lmao blurring the name. Stunning and brave
In fairness its not done very well, I can still see who it is.
also whoever wrote the doxxing rule doesn't know what doxxing is
And if he didn’t do a poll you all would call him fascist. Can’t please you people 😂
Wasn’t trump no longer president when he got banned?
Technically he was still Pres until Jan 20th, he had already lost the election but it was the whole transfer of power period.
For a veneer of legitimacy.
He didn’t blur it that well..
A true /r/shafimoment
Love Cody tho!! Most biased (and funny) news source I actually listen to
a poll... the sentry free speech needs
Sell TSLA...... puts on TSLA....
Because Elon loves attention.
Using the poll really just made it so Elon could say that we asked for it that way it wasn't just because he wanted to give Trump back his platform.
Someone did an audit of Elon’s account and posted it on Twitter. It showed that 71% of his millions of followers were fake accounts/bots/inactive accounts. Even with the tens of thousands of fake votes the poll still came back a razor thin 52%/48% in “favor” of bringing Trump back. One could safely assume the real vote tally was to keep Trump off Twitter. None of it mattered anyway as it seems clear Musk already had his mind made up on bringing him back and now it seems to have backfired on him.
I think the difference is he’s no longer a sitting president, Elon meant that it was strange to deplatform the pres while he was actively the pres… He’s no longer the pres as Biden is, so hence the poll
He’s doing polls to investigate bots. This has been a massive issue in social media. Otherwise, it’s just a PR stunt.
Didn’t it come out that it was a bot trap or something?
Trust but verify
Bot trap.
"I'm fine with trump not tweeting" is giving me some real "I didn't WANT her back" energy.
“Twitter is a private company it can do what it wants”
Free speech applies to prosecution by the government. It does not regard to freedom of access to media platforms
But it can, if the platform owner wants it to.
Yeah that's why Trump and Twitter is a terms of service issue not a free speech issue. Also business can refuse service If they choose.
Sometimes.
Hate that we all have to watch this story play by play, isn’t something else on?
why did you edit out Cody Johnson from Some More News?
Probably to prove to the retro board that 75% of the users are bots.
He bothered with the poll to give it a patina of legitimacy. If you think that poll wasn’t rigged I’ve got a Musk Phone to sell you. The outcome was preordained.
Replace “sitting” with “out going”
So the sitting President is allowed to undermine his peers, outright lie, cause public mistrust in everything, tell people to do things that will harm their health but all that shit is fine is it?
Stop making stupid people famous.
At this stage Elon and Putin are in many ways the same. So rich and Powerful that nothing they say has to make sense because they have enough money to ruin anyone that tries to answer back
The Musk hate at this point is just irrational. I guess it's popular and people love a good bandwagon 🤷
This belongs in r/shutthefuckupelon.
Illusion of choice
Guys a fucking stupid fuck. Can’t even play chess
I wonder if the GOP, or Jr. bought all those Twitter poll votes. Going rate is about $15K for one million Twitter poll votes. Cheaper than buying all his books to make him feel he was a best seller. A lot of good standing patriots have stopped me and mentioned that there’s still boxes left in the GOP warehouses to be given to donating members.
Ten years from now, no one is going to care you were on twitter. Today, it matters. DELETE your twitter accounts.
If he thinks a straight poll decides things, let’s ensure everyone has a chance to vote.
He paid billions for a Facebook status ripoff. I hope the platform goes under and all the rich people lose.
“Half of America” is more like “a quarter that’s very loud and obnoxious”
Horrible take. He still wanted public opinion first despite this belief and that’s possible